Victoria Beckham: Posh, WAG, Mother, Mogul (Full Episode)

What this episode is about

The conversation features Victoria Beckham discussing her journey as a public figure, mother, and entrepreneur, while highlighting the multifaceted nature of womanhood. Beckham reflects on her initial reservations about participating in candid interviews but expresses admiration for the empowering message that women can embrace various aspects of their identities.

Key takeaways

• Victoria Beckham's shift from Spice Girl to fashion mogul defies the 'one-dimensional woman' stereotype.
• Even icons like Beckham battle the 'celebrity-brand' label; multifaceted women aren't just one thing.
• The documentary wasn't just a career recap, but a liberating act for a self-proclaimed control freak.
• Paris isn't just a city; it's a haven of memories, proving love thrives in opulence.
• Listening to 'Call Her Daddy' transformed Beckham from hesitant guest to a passionate advocate for women's liberation.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Alex Cooper (Host) · 53 min speaking
• Victoria Beckham (Guest) · 36 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Spice Girls, Paris Fashion Week
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Sephora, Uber Eats, Spice Girls
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Spice Girls
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Spice Girls
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Spice Girls
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: T-Mobile
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Spice Girls
8. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Spice Girls, Cotton
9. 1:20:00 – 1:29:03: Tinder, Cotton, Spice Girls

Notable quotes from "Victoria Beckham: Posh, WAG, Mother, Mogul (Full Episode)"

• Okay., Paris. Yes., You, just, got, back, from, Paris Fashion Week. Tell me, how was the show? Oh, my, gosh,, it, was, amazing., It, was, a huge, huge success. I never take for…

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  about Uber Eats · at 15:00

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  about T-Mobile · at 55:37

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  about Cotton · at 1:19:25

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  about Tinder · at 1:21:40

• I do love Posh Spice. I really do. people say that the Spice Girls changed their lives and the Spice Girls made them feel good enough because I said earlier that we were all…

  about Spice Girls · at 1:26:23

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

Concepts & topics

• Spice Girls — Concept · Core topic · 18 mentions · first at 3:36
  Central theme of the episode, discussing Victoria Beckham's time in the Spice Girls and its impact on her life and career.

Places & events

• Paris Fashion Week — Event · Setting · 1 mention · first at 2:08
  Mentioned as a significant event in Victoria Beckham's fashion career.

Sponsors

• Uber Eats — Product · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 14:55
  Sponsor of the podcast, mentioned in an ad read.
• Sephora — Product · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 15:05
  Partnered with Uber Eats for a promotion mentioned in the podcast.
  Delivers your late night cravings in your favorite restaurants. But now they are delivering something just as exciting. Sephora. Yeah, you heard that right. Which means a glam…
• T-Mobile — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 54:20
  Sponsor of the podcast, mentioned in an ad read.
• Cotton — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 1:19:25
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• Tinder — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 1:20:49
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:03 What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

0:11 Victoria, Beckham,, welcome, to, Call, Her Daddy. Thank, you, for, having, me. You, don't, even, know., I, I, think, you, have been not only just like someone I've wanted to have on the podcast. This predates the podcast. You have been someone I've looked up to. You are iconic. I have idolized you forever. and to be sitting in the same room with you and getting to interview is such an honor. So, thank you for being here. Seriously.

0:32 Oh, my, gosh., Thank, you, for, having, me., I have to say about 6 months ago, I sat down with my team and we were looking at all the opportunities and and things that we could do um to talk about the documentary and Caller Daddy came up in conversation and I looked around the room and some people looked horrified horrified. And I'd never I I'd never listened. And so I went home and I started listening right from the beginning. And I have to say cuz I'm a little shy myself. I thought who on earth would ever think cuz I am really shy. And I totally respected what you were doing. I really did. So liberating and wonderful for girls, but I was like I just could never go on that show. And I became hooked. I became hooked. I'm a huge huge fan. I'm excited to be here. I don't do many interviews. I love what you do and I'm wow I'm honestly I'm humbled to be here truly like you saying that. Thank

1:40 you because I get it. I think early days of Caller Daddy was so sexual and I'm so proud of that. And then I think we can do both as women, which we're going to talk about today as just like you can be multifaceted and it's okay as a woman but I'm so happy you kind of got through the threshold of like we won't be talking about [ __ ] today, everyone unless you want to. Um, but I think we're going to talk a little bit about some other stuff today and then maybe I'll warm you up and we'll see. We'll see. You're like, "No, Alex, shut up." Okay.

2:08 Um,, okay., Paris. Yes., You, just, got, back, from, Paris Fashion Week. Tell me, how was the show?

2:12 Oh, my, gosh,, it, was, amazing., It, was, a huge, huge success. You know, I never take for granted that every show is going to be successful, go well. It's the It's the It's Paris. It's everything. It's the It's the dream. And there's a lot of pressure. Um, but it was fantastic. It really was. I'm so happy. also in Paris. I feel like I've heard that you and David love Paris together. What is one of like the sexiest fun date nights that you've had in Paris together?

2:45 Do, you, know, um, in, the, early, 2000s, um, we used to escape to Paris. We say that's our one of our happy places. You know in the '9s, sorry, in the in the early 2000s, it was so opulent. It was really opulent. And actually, that's why I named one of my fragrances Sweet 302 because that was the suite that we used to stay at in Paris in the early 2000s. And it's so sexy and it's um it's inspiring. I love the food. I love the wine. I love the fashion.

3:12 I, love, Paris. Okay,, let's, talk, about, the, documentary. I loved it so much, but I recognize that you've been busy. this comes out and everyone's like, "Wait, I need to know. Why was this something you wanted to do?"

3:27 Well,, thank, you., I,, by, the, way,, loved your documentary. I have to say it was really, really great.

3:36 Um,, you, know,, I've, been, in, fashion, now for coming up for 20 years. Um, and I was in the Spice Girls, a time that I'm so proud of, but I was in the Spice Girls for 4 years. Um, and I've been so defined by that four-year period and fighting preconceptions for 20 years you know, because I love what I do in fashion. I take it really, really seriously. And it's taken this amount of time for me to feel that I can reflect and talk about that time without it affecting my brand and making making people think it is a celebrity brand because I've been fighting those preconceptions for so many years. I really appreciated how you broke that down in the documentary. And I think a huge theme that we're going to talk about that many women listening will be able to relate to is just how it is so hard for women to be taken seriously as a multi-dimensional woman, right? Like a lot of people like to put us in a box of

4:36 like you're this, you're a Spice Girl. No, you can't be that and this. And so that I think is a huge undertone of your documentary that I had so much respect for and I also really related to. So we are, going to, get, into, all, of, that., Um, before we do, I do also want to just know like I know you love being in control.

4:47 Yes. So,, how, did, that, impact, your, decision, to agree to do a documentary where like I I kind of know like you didn't have full edit control? Like what was going on there? Victoria

5:04 you, know,, I, said, that, I, I, went, into, the documentary process a control freak. I came out the other end a reformed control freak. Yeah. because I didn't have that control. You know, the cameras were following me when I was at work working on the, you know, that was the biggest show that we've that that we've ever done. And so, my focus was that and I couldn't control the lighting and the angles and it was quite liberating. It was liber liberating, but it was people's response to David's documentary that really gave me the confidence to do it because when Netflix first approached me, I genuinely questioned, did anybody really care about what I did when I go to work every day. I and I genuinely mean that. And it was my team who convinced me to do it my husband that forced me to do it. And it was a really great experience. You know, I'm always living in the present and thinking forward. I'm super ambitious. I like to dream big and and

6:13 then dream even bigger. But this was the first time that I've ever reflected and it was emotional. As a fan, I think my favorite part of the documentary is we got to see you young childhood. We got to see you in your Spice Girls era. We got to see Wag era. We got to see you in business mode, fashion, mom, wife, like we got all of it and that was so fulfilling as a fan and as someone who respects you.

6:42 So, let's, go, back, to, the, very, very beginning. Childhood., Talk, to, me, about, where, you grew up. What was your family like growing up? Let's just start there.

6:51 Yeah., So, I, grew, up, in, um, in, a, London suburb. I've got a younger brother and sister. Um, and my dad, my dad, who I would say is has probably been the most inspiring to me because my dad was a real entrepreneur. You know, I don't come from a particularly privileged background. My parents were workingass.

7:14 This, is, like, giving, me, flashbacks, to David's documentary where he pops his head, he goes, "What do you mean by workingass? What was going on with the Rolls-Royce?" Wait, what? Explain. because he was like, "No, no, they weren't workingass." Explain.

7:29 Well,, my, my, mom, and, dad, were, workingass, you know, my dad was a real entrepreneur. Okay. And my dad started his own business and he worked really really hard and in the 80s there was a boom and my dad made a lot of money. So the first thing he did, he went and bought that Rolls-Royce. That's what you, you know, I used to sit with my brother and sister in like a little production line and my dad would have us all making electrical stuff. I don't even know what it was because if someone phoned my dad and said, "We want whatever it was and my dad couldn't get it, he would we would make it, you know."

8:09 Where, were, you, in, the, lineup, of, your siblings? Are you middle, oldest youngest?

8:12 I'm, the, eldest., I'm, the, eldest. Of, course, you, are., So, my, mom, and, dad would sit us down and we would make things and then my dad would box it all up. We'd be put in our pajamas and my dad would put us in his van and we would go out at night and we would deliver all of these things that we'd made.

8:33 So, you, were, immediately, kind, of, hustling with your family from a young age. Yes.

8:37 Work, ethic. Absolutely., Yeah. Now, describe, to, me, your, personality, as, a kid. my personality. I was quite I was quite shy. I was quite shy. Um I was quite an awkward child. Um as a teenager, um I was I was just awkward. I remember at a really early age a family friend saying to my mom that I was morose. And that's quite a tough thing to say to a kid. And when I understood what that meant, that really did affect me, it made me very, very self-conscious, even more shy. When you look back, did you feel that way? I just think I was a teenager and you know you're going through so many changes.

9:26 Your body's changing. You know, I had terrible skin. Um, I was awkward. That's what I think was something in the documentary that I think is going to be shocking for people to learn was that you were bullied as a young girl. And

9:42 most, people, see, you, today,, right?, And you're Victoria [ __ ] Beckham, your Posh Spice. They're like, what do you mean you were bullied? Like, how is that even possible? Can you talk to me a little bit more about that experience? And like, what were kids saying to you?

9:54 I, was, bullied, at, school., Um,, I, just didn't I mean, I didn't fit in. socially because when all the other kids after school were smoking and and hanging out I was going to dancing lessons or I was going to drama lessons. So, socially I didn't fit in. But also, you know, I I was, you know, I I had terrible skin. I had awful awful acne. I had very length hair. I remember standing in the playground and literally standing on my own and kids just picking up Coke cans from puddles and throwing them at me. I mean, I was physically and mentally really bullied at school. And we didn't talk about mental mental health like we do nowadays. And so, I just internalized all of that and it just made me more and more shy.

10:45 Did, you, never, kind, of, open, up, to, your parents about it? Did you tell anyone? No, I didn't. And I have such supportive parents. I love my parents so much. But I suppose I was ashamed, embarrassed and so I didn't tell anybody. But my entire school life was miserable. I also struggled academically enormously. You know, looking at my children now and their academic journey. I, you know, I'm a self diagnosed dyslexic. I suffer from discountulia. All those things that weren't recognized when I was a kid they just called me thick.

11:28 It, is, weird, because, I, think, sometimes when you're bullied, you can have this almost like internalized motivation that we used as doesn't mean it didn't hurt but it feels like you really leaned into the arts because that's where you were feeling seen. And even though it was so painful and you didn't tell anyone, it's because you were embarrassed

11:46 but, it, kind, of, propelled, you, forward, in a way. And I look back at it and I'm saying I'm happy it happened to me. But do you now look back and see that like can you turn it into a little bit of a positive ever? Yeah. Because it gave me a thick skin because that bullying continued when I went to college and I was told that I wasn't good enough, that I didn't look right. I was told I was too fat to even be on the on on the stage. And that gave me a thick skin. I suppose for what I was going to get next, which was very much a public bullying really from from the media. So I think it toughened me up and prepared me for what was coming next.

12:35 Prepared, you,, but, also, it, is, a, shame because it shouldn't have to be that way, right? Like you talking about having someone tell you that you're too quote fat to be standing at the front of the line. like how did that impact the way that you saw your body at a young age?

12:48 It, definitely, affected, me, and, you, know when you're when you're younger and your hormones are flying around all over the place you know your body is changing and on top of that when I was a teenager I was diagnosed with having polycystic ovaries which was just another hurdle because that can mess with your skin it can mess with your body. I was told that I could possibly struggle to get pregnant and have children. So when you're a teenager, these elements are difficult to digest. Not only that, I think even you emphasizing like at the time

13:29 mental, health,, all, these, things, especially being a woman at that time it's like you don't really have the information that we do and we're privy to now. So to be dealing with hormonal imbalances, to be dealing with acne, to be dealing with bullying, you're like "Where do I turn?" And you turn to the arts,

13:45 you, go, to, a, performing, arts, school, for high school. And I know that you said you weren't necessarily the best dancer or performer, but that you worked really hard.

13:54 Was, this, something, that, people, told, you, or were you just extremely self-critical?

14:00 Yes., I, mean,, I, think, when, I, was, younger and I was at dancing school, I was a big fish in a small pond. But then when I went to college, I was a little tiny fish in a big big pond and I wasn't that great. I mean, I worked really hard. And I think the common thread here or the thread through this story, I've always had to work hard. Nothing's come easy. I've been told no so many times, but every time I've been knocked, I've bounced back up. What did you want to do like when you were young? What was your dream career?

14:35 I, wanted, to, be, um, in, musicals. I wanted to be in whether it was Cats or Starlight Express or you know Yeah. I wanted to be on Broadway. I wanted a musical theater.

14:49 Okay., So,, take, me, back, and, tell, me, the story of how you auditioned for the Spice Girls.

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15:48 have nothing on my face and then I'm at work and I'm like, boom, Uber Eats Sephora. Now I don't have to worry about that because Sephora is just clicks away being on your bathroom counter or at work or wherever you are, girl. So order Sephora on Uber Eats today and get your Glam delivered straight to your door. Ends October 30th. Limited one order. Other terms apply. Check app for availability. Delivery fees may apply. Okay. So take me back and tell me the story of how you auditioned for the Spice Girls. So there used to be a weekly newspaper that was called um it was called it was called the stage and every week I would go through this through this newspaper and there were auditions for um for gosh cruise ships and you know do you want to be a topless dancer on a on a cruise ship? Maybe not that. Maybe not that. um though respect to anybody who's who's doing it um or you know theater productions and I saw an advert for a

16:50 girl band. So I circled the girl band and it it never occurred to me to be in a pop group at all. So I saw the audition. I went into London and I queued up. There was a queue around, you know, quite quite away out of the studio where the audition was. I queued up and I went in and when everyone else was singing Madonna Whitney Houston, I sang "Wait, mine hair from Cabaret."

17:13 Wait,, okay. I, mean, and, were, they, like,, "Sweetie, give us Madonna." And you're like "No no, this one's going to hit." Were they like "What is she doing?"

17:29 They, probably, I, mean,, I, don't, know, what the hell they saw in me. I look at that videape now and I'm like, "What did they see?"

17:32 Do, you, remember, what, you, were, wearing?, I was wearing I think black leggings and a crop top. Love

17:41 and, I, mean, I, listen, I've, always, been, a bit eccentric even back then. So, you, go, in,, you're, wearing, your leggings, you're looking fabulous.

17:51 What, response, did, you, get, in, the, room? Like, do, you, remember, what, they, said?

17:55 Well,, I, remember, getting, through, to, the next round. Okay., So,, I, mean,, I, don't, I, Alex,, I don't know what they saw in me when everybody else is like singing like cool pop songs. I was

18:08 wait, for, the, second, round., Did, you, bring another cabaret song? I, think, I, I, think

18:13 we, pivoted. I, think, the, second, the, second, audition, I think I sang Stevie Wonder. I think they gave us a song. It was Stevie Wonder. It was um Yeah

18:23 they're, like,, "Sweetie,, uh, that's awesome. You can do this. Sing this song, please. We need you to sing this [ __ ] song." Yes. Okay. So, you lean in and then when do you find out you get the part?

18:33 There, were, quite, a, few, auditions., We, had to keep going back. Um, so it took quite a few rounds. And then when they they found five of us because Emma wasn't in the first lineup. There was another girl called Michelle who was one of the five. They put us all in a house in Maiden Head. Um, and we didn't know each other. We had to live in a house together which you can imagine, five girls that didn't know each other, all living in a house together, dreaming of being pop stars.

19:07 How, did, it, go?, Did, you, get, close, or, we all like, "Okay, wait. We kind of hate each other, but we got to make this work."

19:10 Honestly,, we, had, the, best, time., We really did. I mean, it didn't work out with one of the girls. So, she got replaced with Emma

19:20 which, was, meant, to, be, like, sad, for, the other girl, but Emma was because Emma's baby right?

19:25 Yes., Correct., Yeah, there's, no, other, baby, in, the, world., She had to be baby. Um, who were you the closest with throughout that time in your career?

19:35 We, were, all, close, with, each, other, to, be honest with you. I mean, each girl is very different. I mean, you got to remember we were five misfits that had all been told no, all been told we weren't good enough, all from very different backgrounds. Um, but we worked together. We all said individually we weren't that great, but together we were something.

20:02 But, I, think, that's, what, was, so, magical about it cuz I was thinking about it as I was writing this. I'm like as a young girl like what was so inspiring about you guys of of course we had girl power and that was like the peak of it all but it was also like

20:17 the, way, that, you, guys, came, together, and you could really identify with each and every one of you in different ways. And it wasn't always that I was feeling like posh. I was sometimes feeling like baby or ginger or scary. Whatever it us Emma, she had those pigtails and a little baby doll dress. Jerry had the big boobs and the red hair. Melie was in the tracksuit and Melanie B was wearing leopard print. No, no one. It's funny because I've I've I've heard so many times that a manager made up there was a man behind it, Alex. A man a man created those characters. That's who we were. You know, I did wear the little black dress and have the shiny brown bob. You know, that's who we were. No one put that on us. That was so authentically us.

21:08 No,, that's, [ __ ], iconic, cuz, you're, so right. Everyone's like, "It must have been the producers or the managers that were like, "Your name is Posh Spice sweetie." Okay. Meanwhile, you're like "This has been me my whole life, babe. Like, clock in and like get used to it." Um, okay. So, you skyrocket to fame like truly to a level of fame that I don't think

21:31 anyone, could, have, imagined,, right?, Can you explain how your life started to change immediately? It did change immediately and it was so fun, so fastpaced. You know, I wanted to be the popular girl at school and I was not. I was that kid that was bullied and beaten up and I dreamt of being that popular girl overnight. I was and I was doing it with my four best friends. And I feel emotional when I think about it because it was it was just it was everything. It was everything that I dreamed of. And everything changed for my family changed for my brother and sister, you know, and it was fast. What do you think was the most jarring part of it all changing overnight? Cuz like you said for your family, for yourself, it's all fun

22:21 at, first, but, when, you, look, back,, what, do, you think was the most like disorienting jarring part of it? I think it must have been strange for my family. the fact that one day I was a normal teenager and then the next day there were hundreds of fans outside my parents' house and paparazzi and the stories in the in in the media and you know when we went out being chased by paparazzi and people asking for autographs and things like that. It was exciting for everyone. And you know, I'm I was so lucky that I could have my family come with me travel the world, and take my parents take my brother and sister. We all did.

23:05 So, all of our families went on this fun journey with us. It was fun until it wasn't. Until it wasn't.

23:10 Okay,, before, we, get, to, the, negative sides of it all, I have some pictures. Okay,

23:14 we're, going, to, go, down, memory, lane. We're going to start with number one. I just want you to look at the picture. Tell me what comes to mind and explain it to people who maybe are listening on audio.

23:30 Okay., Okay., So,, when, I, was, in, the, Spice Girls, I'd never I'd never worn designer clothes. But when I was in the Spice Girls, the other girls were not interested in fashion. So, when it came to stage performances or or videos I got all the budget. So, guess where I went Alex? I went to Gucci. and Tom Ford, who is I love Tom. I love him so much. He's he's like my inspiration. Everything he's done with fashion and beauty. So Tom Ford was the creative director of Gucci. And this was a Tom Ford Gucci dress.

24:06 So, sickening. I, don't, know, where, I, was, going., You looked hot. And did you lean into wearing mostly all black or was that kind of something that then you were like, "Okay, this is my image. I got to keep wearing all black.

24:21 Well,, the, original, posh, spice, Gucci dress was not Gucci. That was from a high street. I think it was Miss Selfridge,, which, I, don't, know if, you, had that in America, but in the UK it was very much an inexpensive high street dress.

24:35 Love., And, then, you're, like,, "All, right, let's switch to Gucci, baby." Absolutely.

24:38 Okay,, next, picture., You're, wearing matching outfits, which I feel like you never wore. What is this?

24:42 Matching, outfits, and, push-up, bras., I mean,, this, is, so, ' 90s. I love this.

24:50 Do, you, remember, where, you, are? I, think, that, this, was, the, premiere, of Spice World, the movie.

24:55 Would, you, ever, wear, that, again? Do, you, know, I, don't, hate, I, don't, hate the suit. Okay.

25:03 I, don't, hate, the, suit., I'd, probably, do, a single breasted rather than double breasted but

25:07 perfect., She's, a, fashion, designer., She knows what she likes now. Okay. Talk to me about this picture.

25:10 Okay., This, is, um, one, of, the, posters, for Spice World. the movie. Can, you, tell, me, what, was, the, most, fun part of shooting that movie?

25:22 We, did, have, We, did, have, fun, doing, that and uh there was a script, but every time someone went to put a script in front of us, we were like, "No, no, it's fine. We're just going to add lib. We're just like we just it was a bit like when they tried to choreograph us on stage we were like, "What? No, we're just going to like do our thing." You know now thinking back cuz that movie was actually my religion. you guys. I remember you like on the tour bus or whatever and that is exactly how it felt. It felt like we were watching you guys in real life and I'm like is this a character or is this actually who they are?

25:54 Every, time, they, tried, to, give, us, a, line, we were like, "What do you mean?" No I'm just going to say this. I mean

25:57 okay,, wait., But, in, that, photo,, what, I did recognize is obviously, everyone, is, smiling, in, the photo.

26:04 Yes. And, you, are, doing, your, signature, posh look. Can you talk to me about how the whole not smiling thing started?

26:12 I, think, it, probably, well, I, know, it, comes from a place of insecurity but then it became part of my alter ego if you like and so it just it just continued.

26:28 How, do, you, think, though, that, you, leaning into that impacted your image and how people perceived you and saw you? Um, I think people saw me as very serious, you know. I mean, let's be honest, you know, when you're watching fashion shows, you know, it's quite a serious thing. That's how the girls walk down the catwalk. Um, and I I just I lent into it. I lent and it kind of worked

26:52 and, I, own, and, I, owned, it. Love., Okay,, next, picture. Oh,, here, we, are, with, the, queen.

27:01 Oh,, honey,, you're, with, the, [ __ ] queen. Talk to me about what it was like meeting her. It was so exciting. I mean I'm so proud to be British. I'm very very patriotic. So is David. So are the kids. So this was very, very exciting.

27:17 Really, cool., Okay,, next, one., What, do, you recognize about this? Okay,, so, this, was, the, Say, You'll, Be There video. It was so hot in the desert. I'm in a PVC catsuit. It was crazy hot. But this was the video that when David saw that video, he was in a hotel with his friend um preparing for a game that he had the following day and he was watching MTV and that video came on and he said to his friend, "I'm going to marry her." I can't imagine the amount of men that actually saw you in that and said the same [ __ ] thing but thank god it was David that actually is the one that got to do it. You look so hot in that. Okay. So, he loved it as we all did.

27:57 Loved, it., He, loved, it. Okay., Next. Talk, to, me. The, wedding. Tell, me, everything.

28:04 The, wedding. Purple. Purple., So,, these, were very, purple. And, look, at, baby, Brooklyn.

28:16 I, know., I, was, like,, is, he, in, purple, too? He, is, fully, blending, in. These, were, the, outfits, that, we, wore, for the nighttime part of the wedding.

28:25 How, did, you, pick, purple? Do you know? I don't know. We We put these outfits on recently, I have to say. And mine wasn't too bad. Mine was not too bad. David's. He looks like the dancing man emoji. That's exactly what the dancing man emoji wears. But he's owning it.

28:42 Oh,, I, mean,, you, guys, are, so, [ __ ], hot. Wait, how did David propose to you? We were um we were in a hotel up north and yeah, we we're both quite traditional and so it was quite traditional. He asked my dad before he asked me.

29:02 So, cute., Okay,, next, photo. Last, one. This, is, us., I, think, we, were, out, shopping in Bond Street and this was not a real Louis Vuitton handbag. This was a fake one. And Mark Jacobs, who was the creative director of Louis Vuitton, got in touch with me when he saw this picture and he's like, "I'm gonna send you a real one."

29:23 Cuz, this, was, a, snide. You're lying to me. At that point, this is fake. Yes., Not, as, posh, as, you, think,, Alex., Not all the time.

29:37 Wait., Okay., You, had, some, of, the, most iconic street style, obviously, and you still do. How much of your '90s wardrobe do you have archived? Do you know I actually sold quite a lot of it and gave the proceeds to charity a few years ago cuz Harper keeps saying, "You were so cool. You were so cool." I'm like "Great. What does that mean? I'm not cool now." She's like "No, mommy, but you were really cool then."

29:59 Oh, my, god. But, yeah. Does, she, ask, to, borrow, your, clothes, a lot? She, She's, getting, there., She's, getting there.

30:08 You're, trying, to, convince, your, babe., I'm still cool. She's going to come around.

30:12 She's, going, to, come, around. Yeah,, it's, going, to, happen., Um,, okay. So, during the height of the Spice Girls, like we see, you start dating Mr. David Beckham.

30:23 How, did, you, guys, meet? I, went, to, see, him, in, a, football, game because my manager at the time was a big Manchester United fan.

30:28 Okay. So,, he, took, me, to, see, David, play football and, just, to, see, David, or, see, the, team and then you saw David

30:38 see, the, team., I'd, seen, him, because, in the, '9s, you, used, to, I, don't know, if, you can still do it now but you used to collect like little stickers of of footballers. Okay. And so I'd seen him on a sticker like he saw me in the Spice Girls video. I saw him on a sticker. So that was part of the reason why I agreed to go. I don't like football. That was the only reason why I agreed to go to the game. What do I care about football? I just cared about the sticker boy. And did you previously have long-term relationships? Like were you looking for something serious?

31:11 I'd, had, a, couple, of, relationships,, but, I mean I was 22 when I first when I first met David. And what first really attracted me to him is after the game we went into the players lounge, which is just a lounge where literally all the players used to just meet their friends and family and have a drink. And all the other players were having a beer with their mates at the bar. and and David was standing there with his younger sister and his parents and obviously he's really good-looking, but you know I'm very close to my family and that was a real attraction as well.

31:46 It's, adorable., So,, who, made, the, first move? Well,, I, had, had, a, few, glasses, of, wine and so probably me. He's quite shy David. Probably me. And I had Melc with me.

31:57 Oh,, so, you, were, like, feeling, yourself. Yeah,, probably., And, you, know,, he, wasn't even playing for the first team. I was in the Spice Girls.

32:08 You're, hot. So, yeah., Yeah., You're, like,, "Let, me, take the lead here, babe. I got this one." What was your first date?

32:16 Okay., So, the, first, date, slashdates were well my manager had said try to keep your relationship as private as you can because as soon as anybody finds out you know it's going to be very difficult for the two of you. So for quite some time we would meet each other in car parks. Now not as seedy as that sounds.

32:35 Okay. Nothing, dodgy, going, on, in, the, car, park. Have to point that out. Okay., Perfect., We, can, see, the, headline now. But God, but it was just it was such good advice because it was great to get to know him and we would just sit. My mom or dad would drop me off at the car park. I'd get in the car with David and we would just spend hours just talking, just getting to know each other.

33:07 Honestly,, it's, like, really, really, cute to think about you two like huddled in the back seat. Nothing going on but just talking. Um, who said I love you first?

33:16 I, think, he, probably, said, it, first, and then I said it immediately afterwards.

33:21 You, didn't, make, him, wait., Um,, okay., In the early days of dating, you're at the height of your career. You're a Spice Girl. He's kind of just getting started. How did that impact your relationship? And like, how did David handle it that you're so famous and he's not at that level?, You, know what?, He, fitted, in, so seamlessly, you know, with the other girls. I mean, I remember being on tour, doing a show in Manchester, sneaking him into my room and literally the following morning David having to jump out the window and do the walk of shame. Um, you know, and having to skip training because of the blisters on his feet cuz he literally had to do the walk of shame in his clothes from the night before. Um, but he fitted in with the other girls and they loved him right away and he's so comfortable in his own skin.

34:16 I, think, that's, something, that, was, really admirable of watching your documentary was like most men are intimidated by successful women.

34:26 How, did, David, early, on, prove, to, you, that he was, if anything, just so attracted to you and didn't really give a [ __ ] about that?

34:31 He's, always, been, so, supportive, of, me. you know, when when I was on tour, he'd be there and he'd be standing at the side of the stage watching. And yeah, that was never he was never insecure about anything like that. So we go from you're at the peak of your career, you're the most famous woman all things are good, and then the end of the Spice Girls

34:59 and, Jerry, announces, she's, leaving. What, conversations, were, happening, behind the scenes? Were you shocked? Did you know it was coming? Like, tell me what would happen.

35:07 No,, she, just, left., She, just, left., And, by the way, I was on the phone to Jerry this morning about something completely different. And we actually we we even laughed about it this morning. She just left. And we did not have any idea until she just didn't turn up. And we can laugh about it now, but at the time we were like, "Okay, once then you guys officially ended."

35:24 Mhm. Talk, to, me, about, your, life, and, the immediate aftermath. Spice Girls break up. What do you do?

35:33 So, when, So, I, I, met, David, when, I, was, 22. I was pregnant when I was 24. Um I went on tour when I was pregnant. I remember being in Miami in August. It is hot. I'm in a PVC. There's something isn't there, Alex, about the PVC catsuit.

35:52 You, love, the, catsuit. Honestly,, um, you, look, amazing., My, god,, I was love I was feeling myself in the catsuit. Um I was in a PVC catsuit. I was pregnant. It was an amputheater outdoor theater, and it was August. It was hot. And I had a bucket on the side of the stage, and I would have to keep running off the stage, throw it. I had terrible morning sickness. Whoever called it morning sickness that sickness goes on all day and all night. I was so sick with Brooklyn. Um and I remember saying to the tour manager, I just can't do anymore. And he'd say, you got to do it. There's only 103 more shows to go. Um, casual.

36:33 Yeah., Casual. Perfect. Yeah., And, so, after, those, shows,, that's when it finished and I had Brooklyn. I moved to Manchester, which is where David was living and playing for Manchester United. And by this point, he is in the first team. He's a big star. Um, and it was quite the transition for me because I was so happy to be with David, um, have a baby. I felt so blessed, but I felt a bit lost as well. It was difficult, you know, going from being in the band, traveling the world being on stage with your best friends to all of a sudden being in a flat in Manchester on your own with a baby. It was tough. I remember that moment in the documentary where you're like the juxtiposition in that like it it happened almost overnight where it's like the screams and then the silence.

37:26 Yeah. How, did, that affect your identity? It was really difficult because on one hand I felt so lucky and so blessed and so in love but I was struggling to find my sense of purpose and I felt ashamed to admit that I didn't feel entirely fulfilled. Um, and it was difficult and David was his career was taking off and I was trying so hard to be supportive of him but really struggling to find my own identity again.

38:05 That's, I, think, that's, something, really relevant. I've had friends recently having children and

38:15 they, stopped, working, and, they, thought, you know oh, my, gosh,, I, can't, wait, to, be, a, mom

38:18 and, it's, one, of, the, greatest, gifts., So, I understand. And then if you are maybe someone who has worked

38:22 yeah, there's, this, almost, reality, where, you feel so guilty cuz you're like, wait, I love this and I'm so happy I have my baby, but like

38:32 I, don't, feel, fulfilled., And, I, think, a lot of women struggle to admit that they're not just

38:36 okay, being, a, mom., And, cuz, I, think, it makes you feel guilt, I'm assuming, and shame of like why isn't it enough to be just with your baby? And so talk to me about how you started to grapple with like I should be happy.

38:54 Yeah. But, is, there, more, for, me?, And, how, did you begin to transition away and start to kind of try to focus in on what is next? I felt like I had there was a clock in my head that was just tick tick tick tick ticking away and I I just struggled to figure out what was next. Um, and you're right, you do feel guilty because you're on one hand, you're so lucky, you're so blessed, but I knew that I that I wanted more. And being so much older now, I am so thankful and so grateful. And if ever I can offer anyone any advice for whatever it's worth, if you have the opportunity to go back to work, which I was lucky I did have that opportunity. I am so glad I did. I am so glad I did.

39:40 Yeah. Before, you, went, back, though, and, again, it's, so, crazy, with, your, life because everything is so public is we then see you lean into your wag era.

39:53 Yes. And, you, lean, into, being, the, wife, of David Beckham. Talk to me about your decision to really lean into this persona.

40:07 I, was, a, wag, and I had fun. I was there to support David. I was there with the three boys, which by the way, three little boys. I mean now I've got four kids, but at the time three little boys. That is not parenting. That [ __ ] right there is crowd control, Alex. I had a lot of kids and and um and I was I was owning it and I was loving it. I'm a real girls girl. I love girls. And so to be there with the other wags, I had fun. There was one of those girls that went shopping and bought so many clothes, she couldn't get in the revolving doors of the hotel cuz she had so many shopping bags.

40:49 You're, like,, "This, needs, to, be, me., I like this life. I want to lean in."

40:52 It, was, great., Can, you, describe, to, anyone that hasn't maybe seen the paparazzi photos, like describe your style and your look during this era?

40:57 Yeah,, I, had, big, boobs. Okay., I, had, very, big, boobs, and, I, would wear little tiny hot pants or tiny tiny short skirts. Um, and I look at those pictures and I smile because I think it's been such a journey. But the truth is I think that was again another um, you know, it was me that was me showing that I was actually really insecure and that is how I stayed relevant. That was how I stayed in the conversation. That's how I expressed myself because I did not have the creative outlet that I do have now or nor when I was in the Spice Girls.

41:41 Yeah,, you, referenced, that, in, the, doc which I loved that you owned where you were like it was attention seeking like I I knew what I was doing. What toll though did that take on you emotionally?

41:50 To, be, honest,, I, was, happy, to, be, there and and support David. You know, I say on one hand, yes, I am a feminist, but I'm also happy to be there and show up and support my husband, and he does exactly the same for me. So, I was happy to support him. I was there with the kids. You know, a lot of the other wives didn't have children. So, I was also being a mom and yeah

42:19 I, think, something, that people may not know and then people that are huge fans will know is the way that the press has treated you throughout your career.

42:29 Can, you, talk, to, me, about, in, the, early days of just like overall what you remember them saying about you? So this was early 2000s and the media was it was very different to what it is now and it was almost like a movement at the time. And yeah, I've I've had my fair share of bad, you know, hurtful things being said about me. And um I remember saying to my mom once, I felt like I was in a boxing ring and I just didn't know where the next punch was coming from. And quite often it was incredibly personal the things that people were saying. And you know, I never talked about it. You know we said earlier we talk a lot about mental health now. We didn't talk about it then. We just internalized. I mean Victoria, you went on a show.

43:21 Where, they, had, you, step, on, a, scale? Yes. And, weighed, you, in, front, of, a, live audience.

43:28 Mhm. I, mean,, what, do, you, remember, in, that moment feeling? Um, very self-conscious. I mean, Brooklyn was 6 months old and I was asked to stand on scales. It was the only part of the documentary that we were asked to not include, but you can Google it and you can see me literally getting up and standing on some SC. I mean, it was so humiliating. David was there. He was in the audience and the camera shifts to him and he looks a little horrified as well. Um but back in the day those things were acceptable. You know, it's

44:16 And, what, was, the, point, of, all, this?, Like were they just trying to prove you were a certain weight? Like what was the goal?

44:22 I, suppose,, you, know,, there, is, that, old school um thought process of how quick do you bounce back to your weight after having a baby. I mean, after I had Brooklyn, I was on the front page of a newspaper a few days afterwards and there were arrows pointing to every single part of my body and where I had to lose the weight. Every single part. Um, and you know, again, it's a very very different world now.

44:50 It, is., But, it's those type of things. I think why I appreciate you touching on it a little bit in the documentary is like it's similar to the bullying when you're younger. It's like this [ __ ] stays with you no matter if it was 20 years ago or 2 minutes ago when someone says something and especially on the world stage where people are buying these [ __ ] newspapers and they're laughing. Haha, look at Victoria Beckham. Yeah she needs to lose it here and there. That's traumatizing. Yeah. I mean, I I wrote down the press literally would switch between calling you porky posh and skeletal posh.

45:35 Talk, to, me, at, that, point, of, how, this impacted your relationship to your body.

45:41 I'd, struggled, with, my, weight, since, I, was since I was quite young. you know, in the um in the '9s, you know, I remember um you know, we didn't know as much about food back then as we do now. It wasn't so much of a conversation. And I remember in the '9s, everybody was obsessed with fatree, fatree, fat-ree. And I remember being terrified to eat any fat. Absolutely terrified. I remember my mom saying to me, "Gosh, you you could walk around the supermarket and know the calorie count and the and the fat count of pretty much anything in the supermarket." Um, so I was really mindful when I was when I was growing up and that was confusing enough for me. And so I think then going into the Spice Girls and having people talk about me so much and my weight and as you said one minute I was porky posh and then I was skinny posh and it plays tricks with you and I didn't know what I saw when I looked in the mirror. I had no idea you

46:47 know um you lose all sense of reality and it is so consuming. It is so tiring and it takes over. It really takes over.

46:54 You, Yeah., You, said, when, um, you, have, an eating disorder, you become very good at lying.

47:00 Yes. Did, you, confide, in, anyone, at, this, point in your life? No. No, one, at, all.

47:10 When, did, you, feel, ready, to, open, up, to David? David has always known that I've been very disciplined about the way that I eat. And I managed to turn myself because I was too scared to talk to anyone, you know. I was I was I I didn't feel that I could trust anyone at all.

47:29 Um, I, managed, to, do, it, myself, and, turn, an unhealthy obsession with food into a healthy relationship, meaning understanding it's about balance, it's about being healthy, about working out. Um, and David helped me do that. You know, David was the one that that changed my workout around. You know, I was doing cardio, cardio, cardio. All I wanted to do was burn, burn, burn. He was the one that encouraged me to start weight training and we work out together. And so, he was he's always been so supportive and I'm very disciplined in the way that I eat. I'm healthy. I'm disciplined. Um, and it's about balance.

48:19 Yeah., It's, so, hard, as, a, woman, because you're either you're either too skinny or you're too fat or people call you healthy looking and it's like, "Oh my god. Oh my god." There is not there is never someone that you're like, "Yeah that person looks perfect." It's there's always something about a woman.

48:39 You, having, to, look, at, these, pictures, of yourself, you saying there's magazines. Were there moments where you would see photos and then it would immediately trigger you back in the day and impact your eating?

48:49 Oh, god,, I, remember, I, was, sitting, around the around a hotel swimming pool in LA. I was pregnant with Brooklyn. I was wearing a bikini and my hair was all over the place and they got a paparazzi picture of me. It was on the front page of the newspaper and it basically just said I mean I think they literally called me fat and I mean I was pregnant at the time and you know it look it was a moment in time. I never like to seem like I'm complaining because I'm not. You know this conversation naturally came up in the documentary. I didn't go into this documentary process even thinking that we would talk about this. It's just obviously reflecting and and looking at my journey. it just naturally came up in conversation.

49:34 But, I, do, want, to, validate, you, Victoria because I understand again you're a public figure and anything you talk about you also yes you have to be mindful of like I'm not playing victim. I don't want I'm asking you these questions because this is one of the most relatable things a woman can ever go through in her life. And the fact that you have dealt with it and will continue to deal with it for the rest of your life as we all do. That's I think why people [ __ ] love you because you're like, "Hey, I didn't know what I was seeing when I was looking in the mirror. I wasn't feeling healthy." And that is relatable. It's unfortunate. But

50:06 I, guess, what, do, you, wish, would, change about the way media talks about women and our image and our body?

50:18 Well,, I, think, that, the, media, have, to, be so much more mindful and accountable for, which I think is great. Listen they've worked a way around it. They'll say, "This person looks great. However the trolls say, "Can everyone just be kind? For [ __ ] sake, I'm I got to be honest. It's like my mom said to me when I was growing up, if you don't have something to nice to say, shut up and don't say anything at all. Why don't we just be kind to each other?" Right.

50:45 So,, right., It's, like, we, didn't, say, it here over at Page Whatever, but the trolls have said that she's looking a little thicker. You're like

50:52 you, know,, the, best, one, is, like,, "This person looks like [ __ ] coming out the supermarket. You're coming out the supermarket. Do do you know what I'm saying? Or this person was a big star in the 80s. Look how [ __ ] they look now. Do you know who it is?

51:01 What? No., It's, so, [ __ ], up., It's, so, crazy. So, you're dealing with all of this. They're talking about your body. They're talking about you, pregnancy, post pregnancy,

51:19 and, then, the, press, just, keeps, [ __ ] going. speculations then at some point in your entire career come out about your marriage and I know David's Doc touched on this but can you just explain to me like for you and David

51:33 how, did, you, handle, all, that, when, that came out you, know, we've, had, so, much, thrown, at, us and we were talking about it because we've recently celebrated our 26th wedding anniversary and by the way people said it wouldn't work

51:47 26, years, um, we've, had, so, much, so, much thrown at us and we've always just been there together and just ridden the storm. Ridden the damn storm. But you know, just lastly on the eating thing what what is interesting is I've had so many women message me, come up to me after seeing the documentary and say how they can how they can relate. And you know, I've talked to Harper about it obviously because she's obviously seen the documentary and little girls still obsess over food. It's still a big conversation at school. And I think that if my experience with it and my story can help anyone or encourage anyone to talk, that's another really good reason to have done this.

52:34 Without, a, doubt., Is, that, how, you, did Harper know this prior or did you kind of like allow her to understand this information through the filming of the documentary?

52:42 I, talked, to, her, cuz, I, hadn't, seen, the final edit until the um until the premiere. I was like, well, at this point, if I come across as an [ __ ] I'm an asur and I'm going to and I'm going to own it cuz I didn't know. I was in the hands of the editor, right? It is what it is.

53:00 Oh, my, god., But, I, thought, that, this, might have been left in because obviously I knew that I talked about it and so I just spent a bit of time talking to her about it so she could understand. You know when you have an eating disorder it makes you miserable. It is sad. It is lonely. It is all consuming. I was present for many years but not truly present. And you know that's really tough and you just got to talk about it.

53:31 No,, I, agree., I, think, that, is, the, beauty of there's still so many things that we have to work on in terms of how we speak about women. that

53:42 the, more, we, talk, about, it, hopefully, then the tabloids and the comment sections will

53:47 eventually, we, can, pray, tone, it, down because it, means, nothing, to, them, when, they're writing it but it means everything to the young girl or to the woman when they read that one comment

53:58 it, is, it, can, stick, with, you, forever and, we, have, to, have, some, more accountability when it comes to that

54:01 yeah, and, I, think, Joel, it's, about, balance it's about eating healthily working out and just being the best version of yourself, right? That's why I do what I do. I want to empower women through fashion and beauty to just be the best version of themselves. Love Caller Daddy is brought to you by T-Mobile. Daddy Gang, let's be real. I'm not exactly known as being like the most like outdoorsy girl, okay? I like a little hot tub outdoor, maybe a little drink on the patio, but that is like literally probably the furthest that I will ever go from my couch. But when Matt and I were on vacation last week, the only thing that this man wanted to do was go on a hike. Was I thrilled about this? Absolutely not. But luckily, Matt didn't have to hear me complain because I was able to text my girls group chat the entire time we were on this hike. I updated them about how miserable my feet were. Sent them some cute pictures of Henry and Bruce, obviously, and I was

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55:56 Okay. So,, we, love, you, and, your, husband, and, I want to get to know you guys a little bit better. So, we're going to play who is more likely to

56:05 Okay. Are, you, ready? Yeah. Okay., Who, is, more, likely, to, hold, a grudge? Um,, David, can, be, a, little, bit, more grumpy than me. I don't. I don't. Life's too short. I want to talk about it, draw a line in the sand, and move that [ __ ] along. What is your biggest pet peeve that David does?

56:22 Oh, my, god., He's, He, likes, to, be, early. everywhere, but, really, really really early. You know the other thing he does? He snores. Alex, let me you know what he said to me the other day? No.

56:32 He's, like,, "You, know, when, you, wear, those earplugs? It's not sexy." I'm like, "You think that I'm trying to push a look in bed?" No, I'm wearing them because you're snot. It's not cuz I'm trying to look sexy in these earplugs.

56:45 You're, like,, "Babe,, if, you, would, just shut up then I could remove these things, right? Is this like the chicken or the egg? It's you." Yeah.

56:52 Oh,, that's, so, [ __ ], real., Um,, what, do you think his biggest pet peeve is with you?

56:56 Oh,, he'd, say, that, I'm, untidy., I'm, Look, it's controlled. It's controlled chaos in my wardrobe.

57:04 The, girls, get, it., The, girls, get, it., You know where everything is. It may look like a disaster, but like, you know

57:08 it's, just, hair, and, makeup, everywhere. Fair., Who, is, more, likely, to, quit, during a workout?

57:14 David., 100%., He, procrastinates, all, the time. By the way, I'm in the gym for half an hour, 45 minutes before he actually arrives. Then he comes in, he wants to chitchat, you know? So absolutely. Yeah, I'm hardcore in the gym.

57:32 Asking, him, these, questions, cuz, why, do, I feel like you guys will have two [ __ ] complete different answers?

57:35 He, is, a, part-, timerr., Just, ask, the trainer. Okay., Who, is, more, likely, to, surprise, the other with a romantic gesture?

57:45 David., He's, very, romantic., What, is something he's done for you recently? Um, he'll he's very good at sending flowers and sending gifts. Have you read the book Five Love Languages?

57:56 No. Oh, my, gosh,, Alex. Well,, I, know, what, the, love, languages are, but should I read it?

58:02 There's, a, It's, a, very, small, book and, David's, love, language, is, gifts., And that doesn't have to be expensive things, but that's how he shows love and that's how he feels love. I'm words of affirmation. Well, that's a nice one to have a husband though who is gifts. I like

58:16 Yeah., Yeah., So,, he, he, gets, me, really nice gifts and I just tell him he's great.

58:20 It's, perfect. Okay. That's, why, I've, got, so, many, nice handbags. Let's be honest.

58:31 You're, like,, "Love, you., Thanks.", Um, okay. Who is more likely to send a steamy text?

58:37 Oh,, David. Oh,, okay., Who, is, more, likely, to, cook, for a date night? Oh,, him., I, can't, cook., Okay., Yeah.

58:44 I, mean,, I, wasn't, lying, when, I, cried, over the damn cheese and ham sandwich. You know, Roland Marray text me the other day. He was my fashion mentor. French

58:52 and, he, just, said, after, seeing, the documentary, he's like, okay, the next thing I'm going to teach you is how to make a croc msure.

59:01 No., No., Literally,, you, being, like,, I can't even make a sandwich. And David's like, well, we love you, babe. It's okay. And you're literally like, no. This is like really sad. It's really cute, though. You're good at other things, sweetie. Who is more likely to cancel plans to stay home?

59:09 Oh, to be fair, we both love being at home. We work so much and travel so much that you know what our perfect night in is glass of wine in the vegetable patch.

59:30 You, wait,, you, sit, in, the, vegetable patch. David, Yeah., He's, he's, created, this incredible vegetable patch in our country house and it is incredible. And if it's nice weather, we just sit out there, have a glass of wine, and yeah just laugh. He's funny. David Beckham's very funny, by the way.

59:44 He, is. He's, very, funny., People, don't, realize how funny. Who's, funnier? Me., But of course. Of course.

59:54 You, give, him, a, compliment,, you're, like, "But I'm also better at it." He's, got, to, keep, up., He's, got, to, keep up.

1:00:00 Okay., Who, is, more, likely, to, overshare, at a dinner party? Oh,, me., I'll, have, too, much, to, drink. I'll have too much tequila and then I'll just overshare. I had to make sure I didn't drink today before this cuz who knows what I would

1:00:12 Oh,, I, should, have, sauced, you, up., We, be getting the Oh, you're Let's, do, that, the, next, one., The, next one. Now we know each other.

1:00:17 Perfect., Okay., Who, is, more, likely, to spoil the kids? David., Love, that., Um,, okay., You, have, one daughter, three sons. Are the boys ever protective over Harper?

1:00:27 Oh, my, gosh,, so, much, so. That's, really, cute. So, protective., So, protective,, which, is very sweet.

1:00:31 She's, the, youngest,, right? Yeah., She's, 14., I, can't, imag, because, I have one older brother, three older brothers. I It's It's good, but it's gonna be a lot for her. Can you imagine when she starts dating? Well, they're all going to have to go. They're all going to have to go with her.

1:00:49 No,, they, get, a, round, table. Yeah., Oh,, but, by, the, way,, she, can, look after herself. Harper looks so angelic and she's so appropriate in the way that she dresses. She's got a little mind like an entrepreneur, but I always say she's either going to be a businesswoman or she's going to be a standup comedian because she is hilarious.

1:01:10 It, sounds, like, she's, got, you, and, David in her, right? She's funny like David and businessoman like you. Oh, wait. But you're funny.

1:01:14 So,, she's, funny, like, me, and, she's, a businesswoman like me. But she looks like David. She looks like David.

1:01:22 Victoria,, I'm, dead., Okay., What, is, your favorite thing to do with Harper when you guys need a break from all the male energy? Um gosh, what do we like to do together? She's obsessed with beauty and you know I mean, she's of course she's going to be, you know, she she was sitting on my lap when she was a little baby when I was doing development meetings for my for my beauty brand. So

1:01:46 she's, just, getting, those, contour, sticks for free left and right. Oh my god, a girl could dream.

1:01:49 She, gives, me, beauty, tips,, by, the, way. Yeah, she's she's obsessed. Is, she, giving, you, like, Tik, Tok, hacks, and you're like, "What is going on?"

1:01:58 She, does., You, know,, when, I, used, to, go, to school, I used to get sent to the bathroom to take my makeup off every day. Um, because I used to wear a lot of makeup to cover the horrendous skin I used to have. Harper had makeup on the other day. Very natural, very beautiful. She's got lovely skin. And I said Harper, you can't wear makeup to go to school. She said, "Why don't they want me to look my best mommy?

1:02:16 She's, such, a, queen." What, do, you, say, to, that?, She, got, a point. You're, like, "You, know what,, babe?, Pack the makeup wipes. If they make you take it off, they make you take it off, but serve. It's hard to know what to say to that.

1:02:29 That's, actually, so, real., Um,, okay., As, a mom, I'm sure you're always just worrying about your kids. What is the hardest part about stepping back and letting them make their own decisions as adults? Gosh, I mean, we're such a close family and, you know, communication is key and we always let them know that anything that they want to talk about, you know this is a safe forum. You know, that's really important. But, you know, they've got to go on their on their journeys themselves. I I tell you the one thing you know, we're constantly calling the children of famous parents nepo babies. Give the kids a chance. It's not their It's not their fault, you know, and I think to just give the kids a chance.

1:03:17 And our kids are genuinely all really good, sweet, kind human beings. You know, being kind is so important hardworking. They don't expect anything to just happen. You know, I feel like a huge theme of your life because it's you and David and you're so famous is like your family is famous now and there's so much there's always going to be conversation about your life and your family and the dynamics and all of it. Like

1:03:42 how, do, you, and, David, handle, it?, Again, it's just about communicating, you know and we've always been that way with the kids. And I'm excited for them, you know, they're all very different. They all like to do different things. I mean, Cruz right now, he's about to release I was about to say release a record. I'm sure that's really oldfashioned terminology because I haven't been in the music industry for such a damn long time. Um, but he's he's a musician. He writes all of his own songs. He plays about 10 different instruments. Are you like, "Sweetie, do you want mom on the track?"

1:04:18 Oh, my, god., Oh, my, god., 100, million, albums cruise. Let's not forget that. Spice up your life.

1:04:24 Oh,, I, remind, him., Don't, worry, about that. You, do., You're, like,, "Are, you, sure, you don't want, me, to, just, pop, on?", He's like, "Mom, actually, leave me alone.

1:04:30 I, can, be, on, backup.", Um, and you got four spice aunties that would also gladly be on backup, I'm sure. But what's so interesting about Cruz is he's really mastered his craft. He learned to play all of his own instruments. He's like playing in pubs around the country. So a real grassroots approach that he has learned his craft. And I think just give the just give the kids not just Dow kids just let the kids do their thing. I'm dying at you being like but don't forget where you came from. 100 million records sold. Get out of here kid. Um, I feel like a huge conversation today and in the documentary has been about your search for your identity and

1:05:12 fashion has, truly, from, the, beginning, to, now, been such a core part of you.

1:05:26 At, what, point, in, your, life, though, did you really realize, okay, I actually really want to make a career out of this?

1:05:30 I, always, love, fashion, when, I, was customizing the school uniform. Um and throughout the Spice Girls, you know, I was the one that genuinely loved and appreciated the designer brands. And we've worked with the best stylists, the best makeup artists in the industry. And I was always a sponge. I wanted to learn. I wanted all the makeup tips. I was collecting makeup samples and products that had been discontinued. and if the makeup artist couldn't find the perfect nude, she'd mix one up for me and and I collected all those things. I've always been obsessed with product.

1:06:10 Um, but it wasn't until I met Roland Marray that I realized that with his help, maybe this is something that I could actually do because ultimately I couldn't find what I desired with regards to clothing and then later on makeup. You know, I had a point of view. I had a signature from very early on in my in my sort of fashion um journey because I was just wanted to create what I couldn't find. I do think though something that is obvious is all the way back to the beginning of this interview which was it's really really hard for

1:06:48 people, to, take, women, seriously, if, they pivot in their careers. you made the pivot from being a Spice Girl, this pop star, to creating your own brand. Can you talk to me a little bit about the criticism that you had to face early on in your fashion career? Well, I think the fashion industry turned their nose up to the Spice Girls and um it's crazy because they turned their nose up at that and because I didn't come have a traditional fashion training, but secretly they love the Spice Girls. I remember we went back on tour and I'd already begun my fashion journey and you know all of the fashion industry they were all asking me for tickets and I came out in yet another catsuit and there's Vogue sitting in the front row and there's Harvard Bazar. So everybody loved the Spice Girls and I have to say no one loved the Spice Girls more than me. Um but you know people had preconceptions because of that because I didn't have a

1:07:58 traditional fashion training. Do you think though when you started to move more towards wanting to really really

1:08:05 engage, and, become, a, part, of, the, fashion industry, you, kind, of, had, to, change, your, image

1:08:13 and, how, intense, did, you, have, to, turn your back on your past and really forge forward with a a little bit of a different vibe and image? Can you talk about that? Well, it was Roland Morray who was a designer that um I'd had so much admiration and respect for. He took me under his wing. He became my teacher and he said to me, you know, the big boobs, they got to go. It was interesting because once I had the creative outlet that was fashion and the collections, I didn't feel that I needed to dress that way, you know, because that was attention seeking because I didn't have that creative outlet. And so I just simplified things. I didn't feel that I had to express myself in that way anymore. Do you feel like you had to kind of shy away and push Posh Spice to the side in order to fully 100% go for the fashion world? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, people had preconceptions because I'd been in the Spice Girls and I was so aware of that.

1:09:22 So, I had to silence the noise, keep my head down, work hard, and ultimately it was about the product. It was about the product. I don't ever put anything out there until I truly believe it's bestin-class. Whether that's a simple t-shirt or an eyeliner, it's got to be the best. And so, it really was focusing on the product that um that gave me that credibility.

1:09:50 As, you're, saying, that,, I'm, like,, this, is where it's such a double standard for men and women. It's like

1:09:54 you're, Posh, Spice., You, are, so, glam. You've got the best fashion. Everyone's talking about your outfits. Everyone's talking about your makeup. Your entire career in the Spice Girls. Then you do a 180 and you're whether people liked it or not, your wag era, you also had another insane vision for this image that you were going to put on this character and walk out those doors and get photographed.

1:10:21 And, then, the, minute, you, want, to, be, taken seriously in another industry everyone's like, "No, sweetie. You're a pop star. Like, please don't do that." Meanwhile, and I love him. It's like a perfect example is Harry Styles can launch vibrators and everyone's like so cool. We we love this. And it's like why can men pivot and do these big moments and everyone's like

1:10:40 it's, really, smart., It's, really, cool., And then for you it's like sweetie just be grateful that you had what you had. I wrote down aside from even that the misogyny, right? You have people writing articles and I quote, "She should just be happy [ __ ] David Beckham. What does she need a career for?"

1:10:53 Yeah. Yeah. Like when you look back and you like hear those articles, how do those comments make you feel just to be happy you have David Beckham? It It's changing. It has changed. There's still a long long way to go. I think this documentary has really surprised a lot of people and we're just scratching the surface. You know, I think that people have watched it have been like, "Wait, what? That really happened.

1:11:29 Yeah, that, really, [ __ ], happened., Let's, open our eyes and not let it continue to happen for more decades to come. And let's stop being so in awe in interviews that people said this to people and let's be like now let's make a concerted effort to actually stop. Let's stop. Let's stop talking about women in a capacity that is just a singular focus. We can be multiaceted. We can do multiple things and we can celebrate women. And the more other women uplift other women, more opportunities go all around. How many things can we do at the same time? Do you know the other day David was on his phone doing something and I tried to have a conversation with him and he was like, "Wait, wait, wait."

1:12:04 I'm like, "What? Hang on. You you you they can't do something on the phone and have a convers by the way."

1:12:12 At, that, moment,, how, many, things, are, we all How many things are we doing?

1:12:16 We're, painting, our, nails., We're, also scrolling. We're on the phone and we're telling our husbands that what time they need to get in the car.

1:12:22 I'm, like, the, bloody, traveling, circus., I mean, lit literally, but it's, so, real., Um,, something, I, really really loved was

1:12:32 you, being, vulnerable, and, open, in, this documentary about the realities of what was going on behind the scenes with

1:12:37 your, fashion, brand,, right?, We, see, you, you're cemented as a fashion brand. You're in Paris. You're crushing it.

1:12:46 But, then, you, open, up, about, the, financial struggles that were happening behind the scenes. And what I loved about that Victoria, was again, we're talking about it's nerve-wracking right now. This is a huge dock on you and being a fashion designer. You could have just kept it at that right?

1:12:58 Yeah. But, then, you, actually, led, us, into, some of the not so glamorous side of things.

1:13:06 Talk, to, me, about, what, happened, with, the finances. Well, I came from a music background and most of my team came from a music background and we just didn't know any better. To be completely transparent and listen, I'll own it. I'll hold my hands up and say, you know I know I I know differently now. But whilst the collections were getting great reviews and the fashion industry were loving what we were doing, people were desiring the clothes. The clothes were selling out like crazy. The business was not doing so well. Um, and it was a really tough time. And I've been really honest and really transparent about it in the documentary. You know, it's difficult. The fashion industry is really, really difficult. And I think coming out the other end to be able to say as an independent brand fashion in its own right is profitable.

1:14:06 Right now it's not a great time for fashion. I'm so proud of that fact because it has been a roller coaster ride to say the least. Ride. Roller coaster ride to say the least. We're on a ride. Um, I I thought it was really interesting how you talked about how in you know, losing millions of dollars you're like, I think people were really afraid to say

1:14:24 no, to, me. Yeah. What, did, that, teach, you, and, how, to adjust moving forward? And why do you think they couldn't say no to you?

1:14:35 Well,, let, me, tell, you,, they, don't, think twice about saying no to me now.

1:14:37 Okay. Which, is, a, good, thing., Which, is, a, good thing. You're, like,, I, love, this, material. They're like, no.

1:14:43 Yeah., Exact., It's, too, expensive., Can't use it. Okay. I was just saying I like the couch.

1:14:48 I, just It's, good., Um, I, think, that, um, people didn't like to tell me no. I think there's a power in celebrity. I think people thought that because of who I was, I expected the best of everything. Um and you know, I I I didn't know any any better. That's the truth.

1:15:08 You, went, to, David, for, financial, help. you talk about this. Um, what was that conversation like with him?

1:15:17 It, was, difficult., You, know,, he's, always believed in me and he's always supported me, but it was a difficult conversation to have because I I was new into the industry as well. And it wasn't until that final scene in the documentary where that was the first time David said to me, "I was supporting you. I was helping you, but I slashwe couldn't really afford it, you know. Yes, David supported me, but we've always supported each other. We share everything. All of the finances we share. Um, but even I wasn't aware at that moment that we weren't really in a position to be able to prop to be able to be propping up the business in that way.

1:15:59 Do, you, do, you, think, in, hindsight,, and, I don't want to speak for you, but that was because he didn't want you to feel as stressed as you already were? No, I think it's because he genuinely believed in what I was doing. He could see the potential in the business. He could see that people were desiring the collections. So, he saw that potential. This has never been a vanity project for me. And he could he could see that it was bloody expensive vanity project if that's what it was. I mean

1:16:25 a, little, bit. Damn,, girl., Yeah. But, now, you, have, not, only, gotten, back, on your feet, but it is profitable and it continues to grow. What does that mean to you now?

1:16:41 It, means, that, I, have, spent, a, long, time fixing. I now have solid foundations and now I can really build the house that I've always dreamed of. You know, I think we're just scratching the surface with both the fashion and the beauty. There is so much that we can do. We see huge opportunities. Um, and so now, now is the exciting part. We've done the fixing.

1:17:09 Yeah., You've, done, the, hard, work, and, now it's like, let's continue to grow.

1:17:12 Yeah., And, I'm, so, ambitious., There, is, so much that I want to do and I'm not afraid to work really hard and I think we see that through the documentary. right from when I was at school and I was told I was thick and I was told I wasn't good enough. That's happened throughout my whole life. But if you believe in yourself and you have a focus and you're not afraid to put in the hard work, you really can achieve great things. And if anybody can look at this documentary and think, "If she can do it, then I'm going to do it." Then you know,

1:17:46 you, did, your, job. Yeah,, I, I, did., I, also, loved, the, final scene with you and David sitting there at the end of the documentary. And I just want every woman to tune in and listen to this right now, which was so inspiring. You've been through so much. Yes, you could have stopped at being a Spice Girl. You could have been an incredible mother to these beautiful children. You have this fashion brand. You could stop it when it got hard. And David was like "What do you think it is about? Like what do you think?" think and at first you're like, "Oh, I I want to make you proud of me or whatever." And he's like "It doesn't have anything to do with me." And then you were like, "Yeah, why is it bad to be ambitious? Why should I feel ashamed to say, I love this? I love the rush of putting in hard work and seeing my work pay off and seeing something that I've built come to fruition and see people enjoying it and loving it and wearing it or listening to

1:18:46 it, engaging with it." And I think no one, and I I hate always referencing the double standards, but it's true. Unless we keep talking about it's not going to change. No one has ever asked a man, why do you keep going? Why keep going? No one's saying that to these billionaire men. No one. So why do we keep asking women, "It's enough. You should just be happy.

1:19:03 Cuz, I, love, this, [ __ ], Cuz, I, have, a passion and I can do both. I can be a mother and I can have a career." And that is something we haven't seen represented. And I think this new generation and you're a perfect example. You're bringing it to life and you're like, "Let's [ __ ] go, girls." So, as are you, stop. I love you.

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1:21:53 You, are, a, fashion, icon,, so, before, you leave, we need to soak up some of the wisdom.

1:21:58 Okay, are, you, ready?, We're, going, to, end, with, a game. What is a '9s trend you wish would come back?

1:22:00 Catsuits. I, thought, you, were, going, to, say, that. You're like, as unc. Are they very uncomfortable? I mean, I wore some PVC ones. PVC catsuits in the desert in hot weather is not comfortable, Alex.

1:22:17 And, what, is, PVC? It's, like, plastic, like, latexy. Yes. It's, worth, it., You, looked, so, good., Okay. What's the one thing you think every woman should own?

1:22:28 The, perfect, tuxedo, jacket, or, the, perfect pair of jeans? Are, you, into, your, high-waisted, or low-waisted? Right now

1:22:36 I, like, high-waisted., Yeah., A high-waisted long jean that makes your legs look like they go on. It's about creating an optical illusion. Love.

1:22:44 That's, my, thing. That's, why, I, got, into, this, game. You're, like,, I'm, here, to, make, us, look stunning, girl. Stick with me.

1:22:52 Totally., What, is, one, look, of, yours, that David hated? Oh, what does he hate? Do you know we were playing this game not too long ago and he said, "What have I worn that you don't like?" Now, I just said, "You look great in everything." Cuz that's what they want to hear.

1:23:07 Of, course,, you, got, to They, don't, want, the, truth. No,, no,, no,, no., But, what, would, you, say?

1:23:10 Everything. You, don't, like, everything, that, he, wears. No,, I, said, you, look, great, in, everything.

1:23:16 But, what, don't, you, actually, like, that, he doesn't that he wears? He, does, look, good, in, everything., He's David Beckham to be honest. So, he looks great in everything. And then I said "What do you not like me in?" And I thought, "Well, I've got this because you know, I've got this." And he went "Well, yeah. I mean, when you wear all those big baggy clothes and you like drown yourself in fabric." I was like, I mean, I was shocked. Shocked. Shocked. I thought I've got this [ __ ] down. What do you mean you don't like something? This is like my thing.

1:23:42 This, is, me., This, is, my, whole, This, is, who who I am. This is what I'm known for. He's like, "Okay, wait. So, one I hate." And you're like

1:23:49 "Meanwhile,, that, little, shit.", You're like, I went easy on you. What is one piece from your line that you wear the most?

1:23:54 My, Alina, jeans., I, wear, them, all, the, time cuz they just make my legs look so damn long. And I'm actually 5'4. I mean, I'm short.

1:24:08 You, look, so, tall., The, illusion. Oh,, stop. Keep, going., Okay., Um,, how, would, you describe your current style in three words? Simple considered elegant.

1:24:24 Cute., Okay., What, is, one, tip, that, you wish you could give your younger self when it comes to style?

1:24:29 There's, something, so, nice, about, when you're growing up where, you know I was quite naive. I didn't know about fashion. And when I look back at pictures and smile, however godawwful it was, it's been part of the journey. And there was, you know, you feel free. There's a sense of naivity that I love when you're younger. So, just enjoy it. Don't be scared. If that's how you want to express yourself, go for it.

1:24:59 It's, part, of, the, journey., It's, part, of growing up. So,, do, you, think, you, do, you, wish, you would have smiled more or no?

1:25:06 By, the, way,, how, smiley, am, I, actually? You, No,, Victoria,, you're, smiling, all, the time. It's just when that camera hits you're like so good. I you know I had a slogan t-shirt once that said I'm smiling on the inside because I feel that it's my duty to the fashion community or something like that. I mean I

1:25:22 you, look, I, mean, listen, as, the, kids, would say you are serving [ __ ] Okay.

1:25:28 Oh, my, god, I, love, that, you, said, that., I love you even more now you said that.

1:25:35 Victoria, Beckham, serves, [ __ ], That's, the [ __ ] title. Oh, god., No., Don't., That's, a, horrible headline. I'm actually really nice.

1:25:41 Oh, my, god., Oh, think, I'm, saying, no., No, no, no. You're serving. It's a difference in being.

1:25:45 Oh,, isn't, it, a, shame, we, can't, put, it, on a t-shirt? I, know., It, would, be, so, [ __ ], Okay., Um, as we've talked about, you've been through so many different phases of your life. How do you feel in this era that you're in right now?

1:25:58 Do, you, know, I, feel, really, content, and still super ambitious and really excited about the future. Um, but I feel content. I feel peaceful. I feel really happy. Obviously, so blessed. Um, and I'm excited for the future, you know today.

1:26:10 Mhm. How, do, you, feel, about, Posh, Spice? I, love, Posh, Spice. I do love Posh Spice. I really do. You know, people say that the Spice Girls changed their lives and the Spice Girls made them feel good enough because I said earlier that we were all little misfits and we worked together. I would be such a different person if I hadn't met those Spice Girls. You know, they made me feel good enough. They made me they they they turned me from being that morose a 7-year-old into a confident happy adult. And it's taken really this documentary process for me to really reflect and honestly say that at 51 years old, I feel good enough. It's taken me 51 years to realize however many times people have told me I'm not um I'm good enough and that feels good.

1:27:12 I love you being so open about that. I think this is such an inspiring conversation. The documentary is so inspiring. I think for so many young women, whatever age actually, as a woman, like to you, for you to say like at 51, I'm actually feeling finally, I think it's like we have to give ourselves grace that it's a process and it's going to take a while, but really it is not to be corny, but like it really is always within you that you can find the strength and the courage to be like, I love myself. And the sooner you can get there,

1:27:45 the, sooner, you're, at, peace, with yourself. And it's beautiful to from all the way to the beginning of this talking about that young girl, talking about all the headlines and all of it. It didn't break you. You shouldn't have had to go through it, but it made you stronger. And it's why you are the woman you are today sitting in front of me.

1:28:00 I, cannot, thank, you, enough, for, coming, on Caller Daddy. I am not going to be able to sleep tonight. I'm going to be like why didn't I ask her 19 more questions? Um, but thank you for answering everything and thank you for being so

1:28:11 Thank, you., And, thank, you, for, everything as well and for everything that you're doing for women. I really really respect and admire you. And when I was listening to um the episode that you did with Jane Fonda and she said that she had been interviewed so many times and you were the best interview, I I honestly echo that. I really do. I really do. Thank you.

1:28:35 I, you, made, my, job, easy, today., Seriously, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was an honor to meet you. I love you and good luck with everything.

1:28:40 Let's, have, a, tequila, now. Please., I, need, one.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Victoria Beckham: Posh, WAG, Mother, Mogul (Full Episode)"?

Alex Cooper (Host), Victoria Beckham (Guest).

What is "Victoria Beckham: Posh, WAG, Mother, Mogul (Full Episode)" about?

The conversation features Victoria Beckham discussing her journey as a public figure, mother, and entrepreneur, while highlighting the multifaceted nature of womanhood. Beckham reflects on her initial reservations about participating in candid interviews but expresses admiration for the empowering message that women can embrace various aspects of their identities.

What is mentioned in this Call Her Daddy episode?

7 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Spice Girls, Paris Fashion Week. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Victoria Beckham: Posh, WAG, Mother, Mogul (Full Episode)"?

The episode runs 1 h 29 min; the transcript is about 16,249 words in 287 timestamped sections.

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