Esai Morales | Club Random

Who speaks in this episode?

• Bill Maher (Host) · 53 min speaking
• Esai Morales (Guest) · 43 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Club Random, Mint Mobile, Mission Impossible, Paradise Lost
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Mint Mobile, Club Random
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Dog Day Afternoon, Al Pacino, Christopher Nolan, Mint Mobile
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Puerto Rico
5. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Club Random, Mission Impossible
6. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Fox News, Tucker Carlson
7. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Oscar Isaac, Elon Musk
8. 1:20:00 – 1:30:00: Anne Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Jordan Peterson
9. 1:30:00 – 1:36:07: Neil deGrasse Tyson, Puerto Rico

Notable quotes from "Esai Morales | Club Random"

• Hey folks, change is coming to Club Random. Moving forward, we will be dropping new episodes on Mondays.

  about Club Random · at 0:00

• Mental health today. You deserve quality care from someone who cares. Club Random is brought to you by Mint Mobile. I'll admit it. I thought Mint Mobile was one of those deals…

  about Mint Mobile · at 1:13

• World. The biggest action film in the world. The biggest Well, isn't the Mission Impossible franchise the biggest? Probably can't be. I can't imagine if you added them all…

  about Mission Impossible · at 4:37

• Formidable enough. the original version of that is of course paradise lost. God has to fight the devil. as an atheist, I always said if he's God and he's all powerful, I don't see why this is an issue. I don't see why it's I can't he just.

  about Paradise Lost · at 5:29

• Listen, Al's the reason like when I saw him in Dog Day Afternoon in like the 70s. I was like 12, 13 years old. I saw that thousand yard stare and I've said this in interviews, they go, Why did what made you become.

  about Dog Day Afternoon · at 24:55

• About me being able to live on the planet. Let me give you an idea. I went on the beach in Puerto Rico where I was locked up. Thank goodness in a condo on a beach and a dear…

  about Puerto Rico · at 34:54

• Here's what I used to not like certain people on Fox News and then I grew to understand them. So I still kind of It's hard to take some. Just hard just the tone. I don't watch any cable news. But here's Jake Tapper. I.

  about Fox News · at 1:05:52

• Borenstein in a movie that never made it to the United States. Hey, you know the actor Isaac Oscar Isaac. Brilliant.

  about Oscar Isaac · at 1:18:36

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Tucker Carlson — Person · 3 mentions · first at 1:06:07
  Cable news. But here's Jake Tapper. I like Jake. But, I grew to respect Tucker Carlson a lot more, you know. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And I used He was one of those people that I…
• Oscar Isaac — Person · 2 mentions · first at 1:18:40
• Christopher Nolan — Person · 1 mention · first at 23:52
  Christopher Nolan. because they're a great director. Tasteful. Tasteful.
• Al Pacino — Person · 1 mention · first at 24:42
  You two would get along. We do. but Alec Baldwin and I had an alloff or Pacino off where we were both talking like if there was half a man. If I was That's great. that is really a good Say hello to my little friend.
• Elon Musk — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:17:37
  But it's a lot less like Elon Musk, like him or hate him, has been talking about population collapse. Yes.
• Anne Rand — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:21:25
  Good guy. I don't know. You could play anything. I saw you in I saw you in the Anne Rand movie, which if people don't know Anne Rand, kids, you should really like Google this one.
• Jordan Peterson — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:22:36
  Everybody is equal. Jordan Peterson says the equality of outcome as opposed to Yes. Yes. No communism. When I was younger, I always felt sympathy for communists and socialists because I.
• Neil deGrasse Tyson — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:31:43
  Bang thing because that is theoretical astrophysics. You're right. I am absolutely trusting that Neil deGrasse Tyson knows better than the priest I had when I was a child.…
• James Corden — Person · 1 mention
• John Milton — Person · 1 mention
• Kary Mullis — Person · 1 mention
• Phil Donahue — Person · 1 mention
• Tom Cruise — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

• Paradise Lost — Book · 1 mention · first at 5:34
• Atlas Shrugged — Book · 1 mention · first at 1:22:08
  Should just be a little more ruthless in how they take control and so that's what the fountain head and Atlas shrugged are really about and a lot about I kind of thought it is…
• The Fountainhead — Book · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

• Club Random — Company · 5 mentions · first at 0:00
• Fox News — Company · 3 mentions · first at 1:05:54
• Dominion Voting Systems — Company · 1 mention
• The Godfather — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

• Mission Impossible — Product · 3 mentions · first at 4:40
• Dog Day Afternoon — Product · 2 mentions · first at 24:57
• Vanilla Sky — Product · 1 mention · first at 22:09
  Cameron Diaz. It's just like such a delightful fun caper movie. It's that, I think Vanilla Sky, remember that Vanilla Sky? I never understood what the [ __ ] was going on, but…
• Inception — Product · 1 mention
• PCR — Product · 1 mention
• Rocky — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

• AIDS — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

• Puerto Rico — Place · 3 mentions · first at 34:58

Sponsors

• Mint Mobile — Sponsor · 4 mentions · first at 1:18
• Rua — Sponsor · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Hey folks, change is coming to Club Random. Moving forward, we will be dropping new episodes on Mondays. Who have thunk it? It was on Sundays, but starting next week, June 30th, you can start your week with me here on Club Random as God intended at the beginning of the week on Monday. Think of it like a good breakfast to kickstart your week. A good breakfast, good conversation, maybe a drink at breakfast, whatever works for you, and a little puff. Wow, hip audience. I got move over, wedies. Club Random is moving to Mondays.

0:40 Mondays starting June 30th. Rua connects you with highquality, vetted, licensed mental health professionals that are suited for you. And here's the best part. They take most major insurance plans. That means instead of paying hundreds out of pocket, you could pay as little as $15 per session, thousands have already trusted RUA to support them on their journey toward improved mental health and overall well-being. Go to rua.com/random and take the first step towards better mental health today. You deserve quality care from someone who cares. Club Random is brought to you by Mint Mobile. I'll admit it. I thought Mint Mobile was one of those deals that sounds too good to be true. Like diet vodka or bipartisan cooperation, but with plans starting at just 15 bucks a month. Mint Mobile gives you premium wireless service on the nation's largest 5G network. Get your summer savings and shop premium wireless

1:43 plans at mintmobile.com/random. That's mintmobile.com/random. When you're dead, you need to leave that to Oh, you don't have Never mind. Uh, is this thing on? Random. Not sound like a douchebag who's trying to be smart, you know, like No, you're a douchebag who is smart. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, you're so random. My normal intimate conversation with an old friend. Oh my god. I need naps. I just handsome. I just uh I hate you. I hate you. I just uh rushed from my studio. So I'm late. I'm so sorry. No, this I'm usually the late one and so now but I got my prayers in. I got my prayers. We don't even usually do Friday taping, but I just wanted to see you so bad. It's brilliant. You look the same. Oh, thank you. Little grayer, but hey, we wear it well. No, you you really aged well. I mean, it's amazing when you get up into these. Can you just say that on on here?

2:56 We are. We are. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, we're not. Yeah, we are. I was teasing you. Um, but really, I mean, when you get into like over 50, people age very differently. Really? I mean, some people look 112 and some people look amazing. Like as good as you can look. You you I don't know. You must eat well. But you you always were very uh health conscious. And that's the thing. I I you know at at my in my 30s I did a photo shoot and I wasn't as conscious as I should have been. And uh it it it didn't go well and I was I looked bloated. I looked like I was in my 50s and I was like, "Okay, this is not bode well for a career, you know, unless you're going to play that guy for the rest of your life." Yeah, that doesn't sound like you. So, I got into No, I I got serious about like raw foods, you know, like health like there's something called the natural hygiene diet, which is like, you know, things meant for the

3:54 human being and less processed. When I when I used to hang around with you a lot, we were both bachelors. Of course, you grew up. I did not. I I believe me I wouldn't go that far but okay I'm still working on it. Oh good. Um but you know we were out and when you're out you drink and but we were young we could our body could handle it and and we did. It's not my friend now but I I did agree. I did say you know because it's you I will I will do tequila with you. Oh great tequila. I just had some. Yeah. I'm going to catch up with you. Um you should you have a great year. I saw your movie. The biggest movie ever, I guess, of all time. Action film in the world. The biggest action film in the world. The biggest Well, isn't the Mission Impossible franchise the biggest? Probably can't be. I mean, I can't imagine if you added them all together, anything made ever made more money than that. And you're a great bad

4:49 guy, Isa. I got to say, for somebody who I know is not a bad guy, my bad reputation. I found you very on. Yes. Yeah, totally. I found you very convincing uh as an evil prick uh who was going to destroy the world and uh you know that's quite a feather in your cap because you know Rocky does not work without Mr. T. You have to have the uh you know you got you have to have the mountain to climb, right? Well, you have to have the adversary who is equal to the hero. Formidable enough. I mean, the the original version of that is of course paradise lost. God has to fight the devil. I mean, as an atheist, I always said if he's God and he's all powerful, I don't see why this is an issue. I don't see why it's I can't he just eliminate the devil. I mean plainly he's not all powerful then it's I don't think it's that. It's so funny because we we've been talking. But isn't that the truth? But yes and no because you have

5:58 to think about the duality of of nature yin and yang. You know it takes one to define the other often times. Do you know what I mean? Like Yeah. But from a purely religion standpoint if you're u many religions believe in the devil. Yes. Some sort of devil. Yes. and the adversary. But God is always all powerful. But ex, you know, explain that to me, how God can be all powerful and still not be able to bring this guy uh down in the 14th round. I think that the the game isn't over. Number one, um the game isn't over. Yeah, it isn't over.

6:35 Oh, I see. It's the things are still uh playing. I I'm a person of faith, but I believe so much that it doesn't offend me when people don't. As a matter of fact, I respect an honest atheist a lot more than a full of it. So you So you think there is a devil? I think that there is I I don't know if it's a person, but I think that there's malevolence, but it might be James Cordon. No, I'm kidding. Um that's so funny. Um I met him. He's very sweet guy, you know. But the devil then again doesn't act, you know, like like the devil all the time, right? I mean, that's the key. Well, that's the key about the devil. And you know, I'm kidding about James. I mean, we had a little thing, but I don't have any animosity. But he would never be the devil. The devil's hot. The devil I mean, you could be the devil. The devil's like you because the devil has to be like super like baller. I mean, he's he's like shaft. If you think about

7:32 it, he's the bad dick that all the chicks want, you know? And he But why? Because he has to because that's how that's where his power comes from. He's he's a seducer. You can't be a seducer. I think the key is power. What you just said. Um I think nowadays um financial security is is a big thing, you know, and um it's still security always. That's the modern version of creating a nest. Creating a safe, but then men want to feel safe to do what though? To then stop worrying about the other guy. Men want to be safe to be vulnerable too. And that's where it gets tricky because often it's safe to be vulnerable. Yeah, I think I think some, not all. I don't know what that means.

8:14 Well, because think about it, you know, you don't want to come home to somebody else you got to fight with and argue and like have power. Oh, no. You want to come home to be nurtured, you know, right? To be kind of like what they call us often times. We're little boys to them, right? I mean, no matter what it is, you can be as manly as you want, but they view us as a little boy. especially if you if you if you're vulnerable at all. Well, if they do, and that is a very prevalent thing. Um, absolutely. If you look at the way men are portrayed, certainly in American culture, post Homer Simpson, dude, post love and marriage, you know, post 90s men are dorks basically. Dorks. Exactly. They are the fourth child if she has three kids. But I think that's not by accident. That's by And I don't think it's not by accident. First of all, gets laughs. Yeah. You know, it's a tired joke, but it still works. It's a tired

9:07 joke, but on the sitcom, it's always head up his ass, dad. And m It's part of the pandering to look, I mean, everything has a reaction for too long. We were horrible to women. There's going to be a reaction. And part of that reaction was, let's all pretend women are perfect and men are completely awful. We're always toxic. The pendulum. Exactly. The pendulum never stops in the middle. So, it's part of that. Yes, I used to do a whole bit about like like daytime show was all shows were always what I called making women nod. Like you you have to be saying something on Oprah, one of those shows where women are going, you know who did who was the master of that who I miss but you know got cancelled? Phil Donahghue. He Phil could make women nod. Phil Donahghue was the sensitive guy but he always had a sense of fairness and that came to Biden back in the butt. another guy who could not play the devil because he not sexy.

10:02 I mean, it's it's nice. I'm sure women like that when a guy makes them nod, but he doesn't that doesn't that's not making them come. Making them nod and making them come are two very different things. In fact, if you're nodding when you're coming, that guy is not doing it right. I don't know how to react now cuz I got a 14-year-old daughter now. Everything is like, "Oh god, you should watch this." Issa, you're making me feel so old. You were the guy I was out drinking at the clubs with. And now you have a 14-year-old. A 14-year-old taller than me and like, you know, the did growing up. And And how long have you been married? I'm not.

10:39 That's what I love about you, Isai. Ah, perfect answer. You're not. I mean, no. No. I You know, why would you be? You're the devil. Here's the thing. I I don't think you have to go through the the traditional route to take care of your family and to be dedicated to them and to make sure that the two most important you know or are you unmarried women are you unmarried to the same person I you know again this is something I you know we we need a whole another podcast okay then let's just leave that vague but I am I am good let's all be vague I want to be vague no you know What? Don't throw down cuz I don't want to throw down. Let's just Let's just say we're both happy. But we want to but we want to be we're interesting. We're two unmarried devils.

11:29 That's it. That's all we are. I just know that I don't need a a religious figure or a state to sanctify my union. That's funny when you ask when you say that because when people say to me as they have over the years, why didn't you ever get married? like, you know, it's like a disease. Like, I got the this is us [ __ ] fungal infection and I'm a crazy zombie. Why didn't Why didn't you ever get married? I always say, why would I invite the federal and state government into my love life? My love life. The thing that is more murial than anything in our existence. I'm going to try to to quantify that and and governmentify that. I don't think so.

12:12 It's bad business to on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and one thing by the way for whoever is the main earner. It's just bad business and the most unromantic thing to do is to ask somebody by the way in case we do this um would you sign this piece of paper and they look at you like you piece of sh you know what I mean like like really if you if anytime you're asking a woman to sign a piece of paper you're not making them nod or come. Okay. Nothing is they may not come back. They may not come. Exactly. That is just not a good But but here's the thing. Nothing will stop me from learning or loving.

12:52 And my motto in life is learn to love and love to learn. Do you know you made that up? Kind of. Sounds like it had to be on basic. No, but it sounds like it had to be on some t-shirt at Venice Bowl. But somebody told me once, what what do you what advice do you give to kids, you know, or people, you know, and I'm thinking, what's the most basic thing? Learn to love and love to learn. And I think that's the problem we have today. I've been telling kids the wrong advice. I'm always telling them, stay out of school and get into drugs. Is that wrong? You know what? If you think about medicinal mushrooms, it is amazing that it heals the brain and it actually helps repair and re and like re regrow brain neural pathways that we didn't have before. So mushrooms and certain psychedelic drugs I think are illegal because they grow consciousness. But it's how you use them. It's like fire.

13:46 Fire could burn or it could heal. It could, you know, warm. It could cook. water could drown you or it could save your life. So, I believe in the nuance of things. I I do I'm a big advocate of weed, but I don't smoke anymore because I I mean, and you're a big medical researcher. Of the things I remember about you from when we saw each other a lot. One, um, fun guy to be out with. Two, fun basketball we've played here. And I'm not a baller like you. You're a baller. You're a real baller, but I'm a hustler is what I am. Great passer.

14:20 Thank you. And the third I learned that in the clubs. And the the third third thing was you are interested in science and medicine. I mean I remember I remember when you were very very very like almost Lenny Bruce level obsessed with AIDS. Yes. And that they I mean remember I remember you giving me a book which I still have oh my god a number of copies of. It was a thin book but it was like everything you know about AIDS is wrongs I think it was called. I mean this was something that you were very and I don't know where you are with that now. I helped fund it. No, no, but like with like with AIDS, are we still where at the time and this is going back 20 years, right? This book, wouldn't you say more? Early 90s, late 80s. Yeah. Not not Okay. Early 90s. I think by the time I was I don't think I got to know you until I Well, politically incorrect went on in 93. Is that how we met when you won this? I did about two or three of

15:16 Okay. So, all right. Well, mid '9s. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Oh my god. But you know what? You're still alive and you look great. No, but Well, I didn't get AIDS, so that was helpful. But like makes two of us. But you were very skeptical of what they were saying about AIDS. Are they still telling us the not truth about AIDS? Of course. Really? Well, they're still using the same paradigm. You see, I made friends with a guy. I was stupid enough to try to make a documentary about this because I was young and I thought I'd tell the world.

15:47 Last thing I realize is that it's not very smart to invest money and time into something that goes against what the, you know, consensus is supposed to. When you piss off the people who think they have the answers, whether it's on the left or the right, I mean, look, I say it a million times, but I think the right is more dangerous, but the left is more obnoxious. I mean, So they've switched places to me a couple times. They do many Exactly. Exactly. He's like The Exorcist. I mean, look at RFK. He's with the Trump administration now. And like he's But I love him. I I was going to say I bet you you're his biggest fan.

16:24 And I'm a fanuge, but not near where where you got where like you and Woody Harlson are because like I just can't go there with all the places I think he he goes to. But on the general, his idea that we're sick basically because of the toxins in the atmosphere and what we eat and what we breathe and all this and also pharmaceuticals and and also um you know the the the pills, the real cartels, right? The Yeah. The things that they give kids. I mean, so many kids. No wonder they're drug addicts of some sort later in life because you started you made them a drug addict when they were eight years old. How about when they're born, we put sugar in everything they eat? Yes. We feed them in Halloween. We We just It's like sugar, sugar, sugar, man. No, I always give a kid Pepsi. A baby. I'm talking about I think you should give babies.

17:17 You breastfeed Pepsi, right? No, seriously. We live in an upside down world. Okay, that's what I've I've I've come to learn. Look, you know how controversial the whole COVID thing is, right? Still, we did get something right. Tellaalth therapy in sweatpants. Fantastic. That is if you can actually find a therapist who's taking new patients, fit into their one open slot at 3:00 a.m. and handle fees closer to a car payment than a doctor visit. Getting therapy should not be this complicated. That's why today's sponsor, RULA, was formed. Rua connects you with highquality, vetted, licensed mental health professionals that are suited for you. And here's the best part. They take most major insurance plans. That means instead of paying hundreds out of pocket, you could pay as little as $15 per session. Getting started is easy.

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20:56 you're the devil. Of course you're going to like Friday. I believe everything, but I will consider everything. So in the analogy of you as the devil, like just the fact that that you haven't killed Tom Cruz in the first two times you had Don't give it away. Don't give it away. Oh, right. Like you're wondering who won at the end of Mission Impossible. Spoiler alert. Tom's a hero. He's the last great. First day on the set, I said, "I don't know anyone who's done what you've done." That's true. have stayed in the top five if not like 10 whatever at 62.

21:29 No, for 40 years for four decades. I have to respect his accomplishments. The movies are generally very entertaining without the mass appeal, without insulting my intelligence like some movies do. It's like I get it. You know, this is just for the popcorn crowd. Um, no. I mean I I met him once very briefly and I just had to tell him I said Night and Day one of my favorite movies of all time and it was not one of his hits for by his level by his level probably made $200 million or something but him and Cameron Diaz. It's just like such a delightful fun caper movie. It's that, you know, I think Vanilla Sky, remember that Vanilla Sky? I never understood what the [ __ ] was going on, but it was still a fun ride when she takes that guy. You know what I identified with that so much? I take I take it very personally when the movie makes me feel like a [ __ ] idiot. Okay, I'm like, okay, I get it. I'm not the smartest guy

22:30 in the world, but you have to do this to me. the other one that um uh dude who did um Oenheimer did what the DiCaprio movie um who's who did the Oh, right, right, right. You know what I'm talking about. Yes. Yes. The the most popular like the big name now. Oh my god, this is so bad for me. Well, I smoked a lot of pot so I Oh my god. Um what's his name? Did Batman. This is like he's the biggest like people watching this. Wow. This is like the two stoners. Um dude, the dude's name. Anyway, I know it when I'm sober. He's one of the big directors and uh he did that one. It was a one-word title with Leonardo DiCapri. I didn't know what was going on in that one. And then he did another one a couple of years ago that like everything moved backward in time. And I thought that was [ __ ] Interstellar.

23:23 Interstellar. No, no, no, no. That's something different. That's there's the other one that uh um where the world kind of comes up with DiCaprio. That was another one. Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. Didn't understand that one. And I know people who did understand it and I'm I'm more than happy to say there are people in the world who are, you know, brighter than me. I don't even know if I want to be them. Does that make them happier? I think in a lot of ways that makes them sadder. I think if you can understand that movie, Yeah. I I You're probably not Chris Nolan. Chris Nolan. Yeah.

23:52 Christopher Nolan. because they're a great director. Tasteful. Tasteful. Really one of those British like Yeah. You know, like except when he goes off the reservation and does something that makes me feel like a [ __ ] idiot. Is that the one? Yeah. You see, it's all coming back to it. If you relax, you chill out a minute. It'll come back to you. It all just when I thought I forgot. Anyway, sorry. I got to get I go into my al. Well, by the way, I did a little movie with Alec Baldwin. Oh. Oh, and Terren Howard, who I love, who you've, you know, I'm sure I had him here. Yeah. I love him. Him and I I' like Anyway, love Terren Howard. Um, he's got some interesting out there theories like Yeah. But you know what?

24:36 You two would get along. We do. Um, but Alec Baldwin and I had an alloff or Pacino off where we were both talking like if there was half a man. If I was That's great. You know, that is really a good Say hello to my little friend. That is a really good Alan Pacino. Listen, Al's the reason like when I when I saw him in Dog Day Afternoon in like the 70s. I was like 12, 13 years old. I saw that thousand yard stare and I've said this in interviews, you know, they go, "Why did what what made you become an actor?" You know, I What made you become an actor? Good question. Um, the point that I decided this is what I I wanted to do for a living was looking at his thousand-y stare in dog day afternoon after like he's in too deep and it's like what am I going to do now?

25:25 What am I going to do? And you just you see this like this this could cost me my life. I'm in a bank. I'm robbing this. Like, and I just felt so much with just a look, a glare, a glance like he was looking through me and I was I elbowed my brain. And the plot of that one from I said, "That's what I'm going to do." I said, "That's what I'm going to do." I was half the man I was. Any Sorry, guys. This tequila is a good tequila. I always feel like that's Al's great thing is like he makes ham look good. Oh, dude. Nobody better put some cheese on it. But he means it.

26:06 The thing about Alice, he freaking means it. He He's all in, right? And that's what you got to be as an actor. You know, that's true. Can't phone it in. [ __ ] off, you know? No, I love him. I mean I mean you if he'd only ever did Michael Corleó, but it's funny, you know, like Michael Corleó, he he did, you know, of course it's the roles you get, but he did become sometimes Yes. like your impression um a little over the top and we loved it but Michael Corleó that that performance is the exact opposite. It is so right in here.

26:42 Oh, it's so I mean he is so chilling measured measured and just like quiet and cold when he understood right from the beginning that's what makes this charact this character does not have to yell. I think he yells one time at his wife. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't the bad guy. Come on. Who else? Who pushes our buttons, right? Come on. Says a lot. You're right. Yeah, Barzini, I can handle that. But K, you are driving me to the moon. No, Alice. But like, you know, when he is threatening Carlo, you know, Carlo, don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Yeah.

27:26 It insults my intelligence and that makes me very angry. Now, who approached you? Was it Barzini or who's the other guy? See, oh, that I know like my name, but I'm stoned. No, but still, man, look at you. But yes, it's like it's so casting directors take note. Take note. It's so right in here and that's what makes it chilling. Um, and then Al's performance the whole time. I mean, he just he just keeps it right. I mean it's but then he did Bobby Deerfield which was like really underplayed and it didn't really you know what I mean like all of us actors now these are movies that go against I mean I know that name and I don't I don't know if I ever saw it was he a race car driver or something okay but Dog Day Afternoon is iconic I just want to say to the kids who like what what you have to watch Dog Day Dog Day Afternoon he is uh school go to school here's what's very everybody way ahead of it everybody in That movie was

28:24 ridiculously every here's where it's really way ahead of its time. He was in he was robbing a bank to get money for a sex change operation. A sex change operation. But Chris Sandon who was just amazing. And the way he held he closed his thing. It's like stop please. I mean it was amazing. Yeah. But like by that was not Ned Batty. Oh I don't remember. No no Durn. Charles Durnney. Sorry, I used to confuse them. The police officer Ned Batty's in Deliverance. Oh, Ned Batt was about to get [ __ ] in the ass by the hillbillies. And And nobody ever forgot that scene though. No. And the guy, the hillbilly goes, he ain't gotten a hair in his mouth. He's got pretty lips.

29:14 It's chilled us for 50 years. If you were a Clockwork Orange adolescent who saw that. that movie and a few others just were my whole childhood like how could you not Midnight Cowboy oh Midnight Cowboy you know John Voit everybody's talking at me oh one of the greatest soundtrack Nelson Harry Nelson I mean I feel like 70s movies earned their reputation people often say that was the golden age now there's the old school golden age but it's almost hard to compare them because I watch old movies a lot and you have to watch them with a knowledge that things have changed so much that some of this is just going to look ridiculous.

30:01 Um, and it's just a you just have to go with it that people just were super super different certainly about issues like race and sex. So, you're just going to have to understand that. But also like the purity level. I mean what and also what passes as realism. They did not make any attempt and they did not think you needed to miss the time square. Well, if you shot a guy in 1945, you didn't see any sort of realistic death. It was like, okay, the audience, we get it. It was no. We knew what was going on. The gun went off and he went down. We Hitchcock, you don't see blood ever. You have to. And then you then it became Tarantino and you saw lots of blood and Right.

30:48 So when you're watching one from the old days like that, you just just you got to put yourself in a different head, which is not that hard to do. I feel bad. Not that hard to do. You [ __ ] idiots who need a a disclaimer before the movie before you watch this movie. We'd like to yell at you for not being as good as people should have been. It may trigger you. It has real emotions, right? I feel bad for kids today who are so hooked on the little like the device screen, you know. That's the thing. What does your 14-year-old do with it? Well, I mean, I don't want to get too personal, but I regret giving her a phone, you know? It's just like it's such a mess.

31:28 It's so hard to avoid. And then they look at you on it all day. I go, "Yeah, but I'm paying for your bills with this, too. I'm not just like, you know, like let's let's compare algorithms." But wouldn't you if you didn't It's science. I'm into like truth, science, like I want to know what's really going on. And it gets me in trouble. By the way, but if you didn't give your 14-year-old a phone, wouldn't she be a pariah? Some weird and also hating you for not giving her what every other parent gave their kids. That's part of it. You don't raise your kids in isolation. You raise them in a society.

32:02 What is it? It takes a village, I believe. Yes. It takes a village. And a village can also [ __ ] you up. There you go. Because the village has decided that the kids have phones, which makes you the bad guy. Yes. Yes. You have no idea how hard it is for me to like I came from like, you know, getting beaten. Really? Seriously? Beaten where? Like all over your body. By by who? By your loving parents. And by your parents? Your parents beat you? Oh my god. It meant they loved you. Really, you got to understand this. In old school culture, they would point to the kids who could stay out all night and do whatever they want, talk back to their parents and go, "That kid's going to end up in jail in on drugs or, you know, like, you know, a loser." And they were right most of the time. If you don't have some sort of boundary that they can push up against and go, "Okay, okay, this ain't okay."

32:59 So, what did they beat you for? Uh, all kinds of things. I got backhanded, but for a reason. Usually. usual disrespect or doing stupid things, which you know I'm I'm still prone to. We all do stupid things. No, I don't. Like, what stupid thing do you do? Oh, you you want me to say it here? Yeah, but don't tell anybody, right? I mean, what do you I don't know. I don't I've never read one bad word about you. Put it this way. Um never one bad word, you know. And thank God, but there are people who don't like me. I became friends. I tried to do a documentary on AIDS. That's why I I going to go back on the AIDS thing. I became friends with a guy who won the Nobel Prize for inventing PCR, Dr.

33:40 Carrie Mullis, who was a bonafide genius. Mhm. And he did not buy any of Fouch's stuff. He was just not having it. He would challenge him to debates and stuff and just, you know, wouldn't accept it. Now, I don't want to talk bad about anyone. You know, I'm that guy. I'm like, you know, I like being the bad guy in the movies. I do everything I can to like make up for that in real life. Um, I like my demons to work for me, not through me. Mhm. Uh, and it's taken a lot. It's another good t-shirt, but it's but it's taken a lot. It's it, you know, it's a never- ending battle. I get it.

34:12 When you think you've you've conquered it, they let you know you no, not so fast. So, um, so I met him and he and he he told me brilliant things that years later I was like, "Oh my god, oh my god, things about the ozone layer and environmentalism and things that I used to go and do PSAs about." Because as a beautiful liberal actor, you know, you read your script and yeah, you don't want the world to end, then you find out that the world was going to end in the 60s. It was going to end in the 70s. It was going to end in the 80s. It doesn't mean it won't. Yeah, but we're not going to end it. The planet is going to be here. We may end ourselves. Oh, you know, George Carlin used to say that and I thought it was stupid then. I don't care about the planet being here. I care about me being able to live on the planet. Let me give you an idea. I went on the beach in Puerto Rico where I was locked up. Thank goodness in a condo on

35:03 a beach and a dear friend of mine was able to let me, you know, I rented it from, you know, as my place instead of a hotel and there was a beach and at night I would sneak in and swim. I was going crazy. I was going crazy being locked up and I knew that I needed and then when I heard the call, I wasn't going to get out on a plane to London. I was like, I have to swim. I got to get in shape. this. They asked me if I could be physical and yeah, I can be physical, but you know, you just So, I would swim for hours at night. Wow. In off the coast of Puerto Rico. Seems scary, dude.

35:35 I'm going to tell you. Oh, I would never do that. In the ocean at night. In the ocean at night. And let me tell you something. Faith. Yeah. God. I had I applied a lot of faith. Let me tell you the one of the scariest things that ever happened to me by myself. And then eventually I made friends with somebody and we'd both like watch out for the cops and then go in and I had a beard at the time, you know, white beard and like when the cops would I'd put my face in the water so they wouldn't see cuz they'd flash the light. I feel like the ocean at night is a black monster that has a million ways to kill me. And and I and I after that I again it was the desperation of being locked up that I said I have to swim. And what I learned got to swim got to swim. But let me tell you something. What I learned about nature, just 2 weeks after being locked down, that people weren't in the in the ocean on the beach all day with their

36:28 suntan lotions and the boats with the oil, the fish came back. A lot of fish were back. And even the plankton, that glue in the, you know, we have phosphorescent bays, but when I would move it, I would see tiny little bits of that coming back. And then I realized, guess what comes back when fish come back? predators. And one night I felt something huge bump up against my leg and I [ __ ] you not. I was like, I made it back. I hijacked it. I don't know. That's more terrifying. I don't know. It could have been a magic. Why do you think it didn't bite you? Because not everything is hungry. Sometimes they're just feeling. But the point is sometimes you're just horny. You said he bumped up against you. You know what I mean? We've all heard that excuse and I was in good shape. No, but the point is that I was I was like I could get eaten at night and not in the good way and never be found and no one would know.

37:25 And you did this why? Because I knew I was being lied to because I had to rebel against the system. I had to say my big f you. And you're not going to stop me from being in salt water swimming for at times. I mean, I never swam so much in my life. And I would tread water and I go really deep because as long as you can tread water and not panic, you catch your breath and I would just pray, "God, angels, the universe, whoever it is out there, because I I'm religious, but I'm not religious." You know what I mean? People go, I'm spiritual as a fad, but I just know something somebody out there in here all around loves me enough that has not not allowed me to destroy myself. But what do you say to the person who like gets eaten that why didn't the god love him?

38:14 You know what I mean? What about all the people who like have the shitty out? Very good point. You know I used to say that about the Trump assassination when people would say Bill don't you think that's staged? I'm like you [ __ ] Of course it's not staged among But I I wondered about that too though oddly enough. You know why? Because he went down then he come back and it's all Yeah. But okay, a bullet did go because somebody died there, right? That's my point. It couldn't have been staged. And you know, people say God saved Trump.

38:42 Where was the God for the other guy? You know, and here's what I will tell you about that. I do believe life is eternal. That this is just a phase. Like what happens to us here is like a gestation period. Like you're alive before you're born, but you're not technically born. Oh, let's get into abortion. No, I'm saying you're alive. You're evolving. You know, people think, "Are you into creation or evol or or or evolution?" And I'm like, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I Yeah. I think we evolve as people. Don't you creationism says the world is 6,000 years old. That's literal. Yeah. But that's creationism. Yeah. But but I believe we were again, our holy books are illpreserved records of God knowing men. But you know, this is what George Bush used to say when he was president.

39:29 like like well he was trying to it was a big issue should we teach creationism in school and he would say teach evolution and creation teach them both and and I would say no uh stupidity is not another form of knowledge it's just it's just a different thing on its own and you shouldn't teach both you're allowed to believe whatever you want I may believe I disagree with you I think you should teach both and eventually you don't ha one doesn't have to like we as human beings are extremely contradictory. Oh, well, of course. Okay. So, so for me, political parties like I'm too old for parties now. I love when you said I didn't leave the Democratic party. The party left me. I didn't say that. Yeah, you did. I heard you say that. No, no, no. I didn't. What did you say? I heard you say that. What you're doing, which is not wrong, is you're conflating what people have said in the past about leaving parties uh with with the Wait,

40:28 I'm tell I know me better than you know. I don't know. I'm just going to tell you, you're confl you're putting a title on and actual quote on something that somewhat accurately expresses my point of view. I understand why you said, but I never said that because I never was a Democrat to begin with. I always like caucus with the Democrats and I generally uh vote for them. I think always vote for them, but I always look at it and like no, I'm gonna actually make up my mind. They just always are less scary and insane than the Republicans, but I wait for the day when it evens out. Uh we're approaching that because they have gotten crazier. And that's a lot of what you're referencing.

41:07 I'm But I never said I left the party cuz I wasn't there to begin with. Something similar. Very similar. I'm telling you, you have the general feeling, right? But not that exact quote and not that exact feeling because it's more than party. It's more like left and right. Yeah. The language changes. And I'm sorry, but woke got to be an eye roll. It wasn't originally, but it got to be an eye roll for every crazy, way too far-left non-commonical [ __ ] My favorite term was woke supremacist. I love that because you made that up. No, I saw that. I thought this is brilliant.

41:46 Somebody is a woke supremacist pretending to be all um what's the word? Tolerant and they're the most intolerant sometimes. They really are. And if they want to cancel people at the drop of a hat, I'm like that's somebody's living. Like relax. You know, the point I was trying to make was why I I've always identified with the Democratic party and I still identify as a liberal at heart. You know, at heart voted for her. You know what my definition of liberal is? is someone who wants to change the status quo for the better. You liberate for yourselves from from you know what I you know what I always say to the conservative is what someone who wants to conserve what works what's good and I think you know what I always the super woke tell me we voted for the same person you're just why she lost what knife you're saying I put the knife in right no but it's truth I love to put the knife in No but you do but you

42:39 always you know I I was this huge fan and I said something on your show uh many years ago and then I never got invited again and I realized maybe I crossed a little line. No, that's not why. No, because remember I I No, no, no. It's because the show changed. We don't have celebrities. We When I first did the show, we were Is that all I am to you? No, that's like an insult. You're right. But you know, you're right because you probably and I I will say to you and I'm I'm sorry. We should have had you more because you are one of the few celebrities who can like very very credibly um talk like a non-ceelebrity and I mean that I'm sorry to celebrities. They're lovely people but but thinking ain't their big thing usually and you are a true thinker. We have we have lines. So you're right. I'm but the reason is because we overcompensated when we came off politically incorrect which was all show business. I love the concept. I

43:34 know but it was silly. It was a silly show. Well, that's why I became when I did real moved to HBO. Now I'm doing a different show and I'm trying to stake out a different territory. And at first we still kind of were first of all we had three panelists then we moved to two and with three like one of them would be like oh we need face name value and then it was like the audience at one at some point like got it through to my thick skull. No, we just want a good conversation and like celebrities are usually [ __ ] idiots. So, we overcompensated and got rid of even some of the ones who are good.

44:15 But that was just like an overcompensation. So, that's really that's very kind of you to say. No, no, but but we will do it in the future. You know what's hard to do? Cuz you're right. It's hard to say something you really believe in that not everybody knows and not sound like a douchebag who's trying to be smart. You know, like I did hear another No, you're a douchebag who is smart. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, you're so kind. I love you. You So good to see you. And you're a good baller, dude. You're still playing basketball like you do. Broke my finger doing it. No. Rebound. Rebound. Oh my god. Yeah. Mallet. You got that mallet finger. Mallet finger. Yeah. That's what I mean. You know your medicine. Listen.

44:52 Yeah. I have a little secret I won't tell everybody, but you see this right here? It ripped trying to play basketball, going for the ball. Somebody's thigh went right and it never fixed. So, my guitar playing never kind of got to the level it could have gotten to. But now I'm obsessed with You play the guitar, too. Wow. I'm obsessed with tennis. Tennis. Still a heart thr. I bet you you're still wetening panties out there. Oh my god. Oh my god. You know that's sexist. I remember once Some people say, "Why just panties?" I remember once I was out, this is must be the '9s. And I saw you and I was with a girl who was Puerto Rican. Oh, do you remember this? and I introduced you. We just saw you. We saw each other. We were often at the same parties and [ __ ] because we were [ __ ] out in the town type of guys. We were having fun. We were having fun at the time when you do that. And you like and I thought, "Oh

45:45 shit." Super hot and he's going to try to steal my girl. And he did not. You know, it's like you were very respectful. You like you were like you you like made the connection that, oh, I'm Puerto Rican. It's great that we're both Puerto Rican, but you weren't like, "Hey, you're Puerto Rican, too. Why don't you [ __ ] me instead?" Believe that guy, right? No, I You know what it is? I'm an empath. I feel No, but I've had guys try to do that. None of them succeeded, but I've had them try and they were never friends again. And I just I just remember that.

46:16 Like I'm not I'm not a saint. I I I unfortunately have um you know the only real problems I've had in my life unfortunately have been due to my inability to to say to be saintly when it comes to passion. And you know, sometimes you you pick the wrong people to trust or to open up with or to take a chance with. And then then you do hear stories about yourself. I go, that's not what happened. But okay, I let it I let it get to a point where that could be said. And that's what I realize as I get older, like maybe don't do that, you know? May maybe don't trust so much. I I I love humanity. My whole thing is I love people a little too much sometimes.

47:05 And you know, all people almost I'm sorry. Listen, I play bad people. You know what it takes to play bad people credibly? You have to put yourself in other shoes. You have to understand the [ __ ] the villain, the evil, the murderer, the the cartel guy, the you know, I I look at people, I go, how could you do this to another human being? No, you are very convincing. And I but I have to figure out a way to go, okay, if A was to B is B is to C, then A is C. All bets are off. Well, I think there are some people who really don't have, as they would say, a bad bone in their body, but most people do. And the people who like can't even access that one bad bone, they're not actors.

47:48 Because actors, they've got some bad bones. I mean, I'm not saying they're bad people, but like in general, their living is deception. Yes. And no. Because I tell people I know a lot of really good con artists and liars who think well I can lie I can fool I can lie to you and take your money and they think they can be actors. And I'm like dude you don't get it. Just because you can be a a piece of [ __ ] as a human being doesn't mean you can respond truthfully under imaginary circumstances. I mean that's what people respond to. They have to they have to vibe some sort of truth. Here's my thing about acting. I I believe like like 80% of acting is like anybody could do it.

48:29 Like children do it. [ __ ] wrestlers do it. Like you'd be surprised. I coached some friends. Wait, wait, wait. I did it. I mean, I'm telling you, children. You did good right there earlier when you were doing Pino Michael. That's not like that. That's like, you know, soap operas and and like, you know, [ __ ] detective work on CBS. He's a little kid. Okay, anyone can do that. But on the top 20%, which is where I put you, yes, that you need a professional for. There are, you know, the the real important roles like the bad guy, whatever. Those kind of roles, they I I I'll say this about show business.

49:10 It's full of [ __ ] but the people who cast know what they're doing. They generally pick the right people to be the cream of the crop, movie stars and stuff. I really like that casting directors are getting now their like attention from the go through the ages and I don't like I look at old movies I think you know what there wasn't somebody better than Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda and I look at now and I'm like Timothy Shalamé I don't know him from Adam but yeah I get it why he's like he's very good at his job and that's what there are many great actors out there you know people ask me who's your favorite there too many to choose from right now um and they're really good I just don't know that the material in The studios are backing things that are about human beings anymore. This is a subject I'm sure you have opinions about that I do cuz it's in my name.

49:57 Yes, AI. I don't think AI can reproduce. That was deep. Well, think about it. I don't think AI can reproduce Midnight Cowboy. I'm all over AI. You know, this we have to be careful. I'm very obsessed that the robots are taking over. I really am. And we're like, we have to make a choice. We're not even fighting. We're not fighting smartly. I I I'm We're not fighting at all. We're helping. We're helping. And it's already too late, but you know, it's it's okay. I gave away I I gave an award at the Time Magazine AI 100. You know, Time magazine's 100 AI like edition in Dubai.

50:38 What's What's the AI edition? Well, they it was about AI most influential AI creatures. Yeah. I was really Yeah. Time magazine had had a thing in Dubai. an incredible event. I was about the people who make AI. Yeah. The people who are in it's it's the new it's it's the the final frontier to Oh, really? The frontier is here. And I came up with a line that I had they put him in there cuz you know, as the guy who is AI powered in Mission Impossible, right? if people haven't seen it. I mean, the bad guy, uh, it used to be that the bad guy in a movie like that was an entity that some bad guy controlled, which in a way is you are that bad guy. But it's almost like the villain is the entity itself.

51:20 No, the villain according to most reviewers that didn't even mention me. Really? The ent Yeah, I was a little like, okay, well, Tom Cruz can't fight the entity in a helicopter. He has to fight you. Okay. Well, you know, but but you know, uh some people were very kind and some I you know, I don't normally like base a lot of feelings on, you know, one other opinion, but I was like, "Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. Maybe someone's not wanting to acknowledge whatever." But I'm extra sensitive, extra sentient. You and I are very much authentic intelligence. I'm very similar in this way. I think is that like we both think not wrongly that the press just couldn't doesn't quite get us. and is not especially supportive and and whatever we have achieved which has been great for both of us is in spite of them not because they helped and some people they help a lot and that's okay you can't have everything in life I am not bitter

52:17 about it like you can't check every single box and I'd rather have the boxes I check and understand that that's one of the sacrifices if you're going to like actually speak true things and speak your mind you no you're there there are going to be a lot influential people who want to hate you, ignore you, or whatever. And that's that's okay. It's a it's a dog. Minimize your impact. What? Yeah. It's a doggy dog. I have a saying I say in tennis uh that I'm obsessed with uh that don't get bitter, get better. And it's a simple one-letter thing, you know? It's just like, you should open a t-shirt store of these full of these maxim but it's it's it's true. I also have a r my R&D theory when I talk to like you know people who want advice I go R&D research and development that's one way to look at it or well isn't that what R&D is yes but it's also the difference between I think success and failure you either let the things in

53:16 your life that chip away at you that hurt you that attack you that that you know your failures either refine you or define you right it's one letter difference now a good one. No, but I'm serious. If you if you sit there and and accept that you're a loser and that you're terrible, you're literally they say that there's neurallinginguistic, you know, you're wiring your brain to accept that. Either refine you or define you. Take your choice, man. Or refinance you. And a at a good interest rate, I'm all in. Anyway, you're right. We This This is so club random, you know. I love Oh, there's no gender. There's no agenda here. No, but I love it. And no gender.

54:00 That's how [ __ ] free we are. I'm a person who I'm just a human. Listen, I don't want you to see me as a male. I always think just how do you define anyway? Um, if I ever had memoirs, if I was ever organized enough to write memoirs, I would call it But I digress. That's a great title, isn't it? That's a great title because I do. I do. You know, uh, it's hard for me to stay on one subject. I mean, this show is apppropo of nothing. I I never Is this the Seinfeld of podcast? Is that what you're saying? What's the show? Well, that first of all, that was the that was also never true. Not about anything.

54:43 It's about them. It was about Well, also was about the most uh amazingly hard to believe uh coincidences and confluence of events. That's what made it funny. Like, you know, the jacket that you saw in the first scene somehow came back in the last scene to to put some comedy ironic spin on a situation. But it was supposed to be a show about nothing. They said that, but you know, they get everything wrong. Yeah. It it could not have been less about nothing. What was it about? It was about being funny. That was always Lar isn't all the shows, aren't they? Comedy is also supposed to be No, I remember doing sitcoms and I and I thought it was a good lesson, but I did my first one in 1984. It was called Sarah. I played the office creep, Marty. And Gina Davis was Sarah. She was a lawyer. We were all lawyers in San Francisco. Uh Brun. What a sweet. What What a incredible person.

55:40 I mean, Gina Davis. Oh, I loved her. We got along so great. She just seems like such a a magnanimous human. like a you know again going back to AI they'll never replace the soul or at least you know there's something about a soul that is no but undefinable that that's the only thing that we have to get back to that story about AI so I see her I see great artists they pour their soul out into their work actors who don't do that don't tend to resonate with audiences in my course I don't pop stars I don't want to mention one but very very mega pop star that did all these movies and I could never buy her ever and and and desperate to be cons taken seriously and it was just like I don't know anything about who you you know I don't know I don't feel your pain I don't feel anything and I feel like you're faking it you know and it's just like you know I gotta say Isra all those years we hung out I didn't realize it

56:44 you're a lot deeper than I Um, I mean, I don't I'm not even saying that facitiously or regrettably. I'm sorry. I'm happy with my daughter. It's No, it's just true. No, my daughter. It's It's okay. My daughter's like, "Bro, it's not that deep." And I'm like, "Oh, God." What is that? The kind of conversations you have with your kid? No, I love my kid, but it's hard to get a 14-year-old to to talk about anything like, "Is she super woke?" I mean, they most mostly are. No, no, no. She is a independent thinker. She's really good.

57:15 She's just quiet about her deepest feelings. And maybe she just maybe she has a blessed life. What do you do for like father daughter time? Like like what's a what's a thing that we like to go play video games at like you know those the the place the arcade. I love that. You go to an arcade and play video. And you like it too. I love it. It brings me back to childhood. You know there was a time where she was terrified of of um zombies. So, we couldn't go past this zombie thing. And I was like, "Come on, honey. Come on. You can do this. It's not real." And and you know, at one point, I just had to stop or else borders on abuse. You're traumatizing a child. Like, don't make her do that.

57:54 But, you know, sometimes you got to like say, "Hey, hey, do this." And and once you get past it, you'll realize your fears unfounded. But I I gave up on it and she's okay now. Age 14. Are they out Have they outgrown video games at that moment? No. So, still video games at 14 and I at 14. I'm just asking. I'm not judging. Video games today aren't the same. There's there's like I never played a video game. I didn't know what they were when they were the same. I was obsessed with Asteroids and like the 80s ones. I I never played Pac-Man. Oh my god. I I mean that's when I was in college, that's what they had, Pac-Man.

58:29 And I was not interested in that. For me, video games is it's kind of an analogy to life where you try to get good at something and you just try to improve and once but it's it's a drug. You know why? Because you get dopamine every time you get to a certain level. Gamers. I mean, that's such a big subculture. Gamers huge. There are some very successful people. It's it's so ironic. They're gamers, but they have no game. And this is why they're gamers. See, it's like circular. They have games. They have game with other gamers.

59:01 Yeah, but they don't but they're not getting laid. Or maybe maybe like the big ones are. I know they have like tournaments where people watch people playing games. It's crazy. That's I mean, and then they expect when I was young, I never knew that you could have TV shows about people talking about the sport like ESPN, all these shows that talk about and then there was a show that talked about the shows that talked about it. It's not a sport. It can't be a sport if you're It's a mental sport, I think, if you're sitting down. I mean, I will barely allow golf. You think chess isn't That's a sport. No chess. Chess is not a sport. It's different. It's a different category. Sweat. I've had sweat playing chess. It's mental.

59:42 Sometimes you burn more calories with your mind. It's But you're a chess player. I was. I mean, I wouldn't compare myself to people that are really good now. But But you played I mean I didn't I didn't even know how to play chess. Really? Yeah. What you say? No, it's just one of those things. You seem so like you see look for a comedian you are a more intellectual you you know but it's okay I I don't believe me there's a ton of movies I haven't seen where people like really you haven't seen that no I mean we can't do everything right you can't do everything and why would I do that one I mean chess is amazing because it makes you think steps ahead it's it's strategy but I do cross word puzzles there you go I I'm obsessed with them oh you are and I was you know when I knew I made it right when you were in the crossword puzzle like you you were always in there because they needed the letters three vowels in a consonant e s

1:00:33 a i that I always said I could leno about that he's in it I said jay it's not because they love they lean the letters not only that but I I thought I made it then I I I brought myself down because you're in the New York Times crossword puzzle I go yeah I go aren't they supposed to be hard like you're not it. Well, you've really made it when you're in the TV guide one like everybody knows your name, you know, but New York Times, you know, supposed to be more obscure. M A H E R they also use. Yes. Fairly frequently. I every time they do it, I've cut it out. I probably have a folder with like 20 of them. But I love exercises for the mind and that forces you to think and things like that are probably why you're as a bright a person. Look, none of us here is is a a bonafide genius, but compared to other folks out there, we we give them a run for their money. We're we're we're not the stupidest of the bunch. You know,

1:01:31 you're not I mean, show business in general, I'm sorry. I can't in good conscience sit here and tell you where you draw the line that show people are generally, you know, I'm sorry. Their their forte is something different. It's charisma. It's good look. what my daughter calls RZ. Now, it's talent. Talent is different than intelligence. How do you define talent? Talent is it's raw and it's, you know, Elvis has it and Tom Cruz has it and it's like me is raw. How do you define talent? I know it when I see it. It's like it's like pornography. I know it when I see it.

1:02:07 No, it's talent. It's you know, you can sing, you can act, you can dance, you can I don't know. I mean, we both have Yes, we both have it, too. But like the there are certain levels of it that are just predator natural like Elvis Presley, you know, to but lots of people like that. But there are people who say he copied his style off of that guy Otis something. Copied. Everybody copies. Have you seen that incredible artist before? It sound just like him. Like if you were to bite everybody in show business steals from who they like are.

1:02:40 I know. Okay. It's the Beatles were the some of the greatest, but they were the Beatles. They're the greatest thieves in history. Yeah. Everybody's a thief. We can't feel bad about that. Very few things are original. No. And I would like to say right now that we are standing on land that rightfully belongs to the proud Chumash people. Yeah. And I feel terrible about it. But who did they conquer it from, too? And I will be giving it back on Monday. No. Uh, exactly. Who did they conquer it from? Exactly. It's hard, right? I'm never sure about I know that 80% of what I think is probably true. 20% of what I pretty much think I'm sure about will change. So walk carefully. That's why I think we should all as human beings learn to debate with each other in a in a civilized way. Well, and with perspective, one of the stupidest things about wokeness is the absolute abject ignorance about history and putting

1:03:35 things in to perspective. And so they only see h the bad side of America, which is not to be denied and not to be not taught, of course, but they only see that and they don't realize that because they don't care about history. They don't think it even happened if they weren't alive for it. But if you go back, everybody in history was terrible. Horrible racist genocidal. Like every Native Americans had slaves. Of course, black people had slaves. Black people gathered the slaves for others to to sell them to the slaves.

1:04:14 Right. I mean, I mean, black people were slaves. I say it many times. Humans are not good people. Humans are not good people. are good people, but they have been awful, too. We can't just call humans awful all the time, or else we would No, not all the time. Not all the time. How How do we get here? Humans are not awful all the time. But if I had to bet like on a random situation, it's like, will this human uh if it comes down to like eat or be eaten, eat? Yes, they would. Humans humans are, you know, creatures survive.

1:04:46 They survive. Exactly. Can I tell you this much? And you can't blame him. Before I went to the middle, I'm a violent. I'm a radical middle. How dare you? I used to get crap from conservatives because I would post things like the massacres of the Dino Indians, of, you know, the Black Wall Street. Horrible things that happened to people of color. The Tulsa massacre. The Tulsa. Yeah, dude. Uh, you know, um, Rosewood. All kinds of things. Horrible things. Our history is horrible. would say, "Why are you race baiting?" And I'm like, "I'm not race baiting. This was not good." You know, and I'm I'm just saying I I just don't want us to forget so that we don't repeat. I'm not trying to to to make white people feel bad. I'm trying to say, "Hey, this happened. Why did this happen? And can we make sure we never let it happen again?" And then when I say anything that's not the left narrative, they're like, "What is wrong

1:05:48 with you? Are you one of those? What are you, a right-wing?" It's so infuriating. Here here's what you know, I used to not like certain people on Fox News and then I I grew to understand them. So I still kind of It's hard to take some. Just hard just the tone. I don't watch any cable news. But here's Jake Tapper. I like Jake. But, you know, I I grew to respect Tucker Carlson a lot more, you know. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And I used He was one of those people that I couldn't take, especially when he debated John Stewart and he got like creamed.

1:06:17 Remember that? I can't take him now. Uh there were some things that he says that I I get it. Here's my point. I get my conservative friends and I get my liberal friends. And I don't like it when my conservatives paint all liberals as libtards and my liberal friends paint all conservatives as fascists. It's just not the case. That's not the case. But Tucker Carlson is a douchebag and I can and I can prove it because they have his texts uh during the 2020 election thing when he was saying privately he you know this is the one they were sued about.

1:06:52 Fox News paid something like $787 million to the Dominion voting people. I think I've heard things about that that will make you think twice about that. So, yes, I know where you're going with that. But, you know, uh when I don't like is when the news tells me something before it's figured out when everybody I don't think that's a disputable thing. Fox News definitely did pay over $700 million to settle a lawsuit because they were saying that the election uh wasn't kosher and the texts that we have from Tucker Carlson tell us he knows it too, but he was saying it on the air. There is I'll give a lot of people a lot of rope, but uh that is a level I can't go to like this and ask him about that. I would I would love to see that. He would never do it because he knows he would be asked about that. Maybe not. He also went to Russia and pretended that Moscow is some place where you or I would like

1:07:52 to live. I I went there in 1988. I went there in 1988. No bueno. And as a person of color, Latino, who has lived with under the shadow of our community, constantly, you know, with babies crying and gunshots and guitars playing all the time in the background, right? Stop it. Like I'm like sick of this, right? I am sensitive to cultures being like and so you'd be surprised that Russia may not be the goolog anymore that it was once considered. That's all. That's all I have to say there. Well, I couldn't disagree more. You know, I I find your view of Russians that's very charitable and I'm sorry if I'm more of a cynic on that. Uh, I just don't think you should paint anyone with a broad brush. I think you really ought to you owe it to yourself to be a little more.

1:08:44 I mean, as your friend, buddy. I'm not just a guest here. I like you. I've always like We all We all whether we want to admit it or not. We make generalizations about people who about basically where they're cult where they are culturally from. And like we can't admit it publicly, but you know, you have them too. Listen, when I was a young actor, I actually was was going to give myself an Arabic name because in the late 70s, early listen, Anthony Quinn was Mexican. He played Arabic. He was Mexican and Irish and he played Greek so well that the Greek people I use him as an example. The Greek anywhere he went, Greek people started breaking plates. Any restaurant, he was Mexican. Dude, I am so proud of that man and my relationship with the Mexican.

1:09:27 I'm a very proud Puerto Rican, but one of my biggest prides is that the Mexican-American community acknowledges me as their own. At least I'm an honorary cho. Absolutely. Honorary Chico. And that's because I don't take their culture. If you walk into a Mexican neighborhood or restaurant, it must be like the Beatles and I saw a a like a grown gangster almost cry with the with the socks and the shorts and the and the and the Raiders teacher. He says, "You're not Mexican." And it was like it was cognitive dissonance, bro.

1:09:58 And I I I was like, I'm I'm sorry. But why is there beef between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans? Oh, that there isn't. I you know, there's beef between any culture that is next, you know, like there's the Mexicans that have 60% of all Latino, you know, and then the Puerto Ricans that have like a lot of success for a tiny little island. We're like the Israel of the Caribbean. We have a special relationship with the United States. Just not as special as Israel, but it's special. Do you think it should be the 51st state? That's a really tough one because I have friends on all three sides and I see all three sides. Three sides is be a state and get, you know, contribute federal, you know, taxes and get federal funds. Be independent.

1:10:42 We're big boys now, which we were supposed to be, right? And and make our own deals, you know, grow up in our own, right? or stay like we are a commonwealth which is kind of like a welfare state in a sense because we live off the large s but we don't pay federal income tax right and we you know uh I live there now too more it's a very you know I'm spending as much time as I can I'm trying to open a school for underprivileged really yeah we were having talk you know people like myself who didn't have money to go to I went to performing arts high school yeah yeah well wasn't supposed to announce it yet but the point is I'm trying to do something to help other people who may have passion for the arts, you know, give their talent because it's not easy.

1:11:25 I'm telling you, you're deeper than me. I'm But I feel like I'm feeding them to a world that AI is going to make us all obsolete, you know, great. It's like my daughter, she wants to be a writer. I was like, "Oh my god, in the time of AI where like, you know, they they they can copy everything, but now now she wants to be a psychiatrist." That's safe. I mean, psychiatrists, we're always going to have screwed up people. AI, like right now, June of 2025, AI can't do what I do. Not yet. That's what that's my question. It's like, could it even because you certainly can type in, you know, do this as Bill Maher would do it and write a scene, you know, or something.

1:12:07 Yeah. I mean, somebody I know uh is desperate for me to like voice a cartoon movie like the bad guy. I've been told to digitize myself just to copyright your own image before other people steal it. When you're gone, when you're dead, you need to leave that to Oh, you don't have Never mind. Uh is this thing? I don't have kids. I don't believe I'll be anything after I die. Your pets will have your estate. still have all those dogs, but we put it into chat GPT like like what would uh Bill Maher as a as a cartoon villain, you know, and I, you know, I made some suggestions and it came out with this character smug. Oh, I was going to I was thinking smmy assassin and I'm not really smug, but I get why they and like it had like the the cartoon version of me and it was like it was a little scary how close it got to something that was actually kind of funny. It had my catchphrase, you know, it it was just, you know, this

1:13:10 thing is a genie let out of the bottle. But to what point will robots replace you? Cuz how does that benefit them? I was asking this on the panel tonight like there was a guy on it who was talking about a future that may be jobless and I was talking to a very good friend of mine who said you know why are you so afraid of the robots and AI eliminating all the jobs because AI is quickly eliminating all the jobs I mean not all but yes well very close I mean first the blue collar jobs went now coding now they do all that u driverless cars It's going to be all truck drivers.

1:13:49 And I said, "Okay, you know, I get it. Why would you want a drudgery kind of job?" Great. If we liberate ourselves from that, but what do people do? And how do they get money? How do they buy food if there are no jobs? If AI is doing all the jobs, maybe that's why they say that we're being called as a population. There's Yeah. Meaning meaning they're trying to lower the population slowly but surely. Who is the people who want to stay left running the robots because they don't want the rest of us. Believe me, they don't there's I mean, come on.

1:14:23 For for for decades now, there's been like a silent war. I see young kids. War against who? Just the human condition. So vague. What does that mean? You know, Malthusian, right? Mouthus, the guy who said 1798. That's right. He he said that there were too many people in the world. Do you know that that Well, he said that he said population expands exponentially. So he did the chart going up and he was right like you know for the first I don't know 10,000 years of humans after the agricultural revolution we were still at like you know I don't know 100 million or something and then quickly it got to 8 billion like and then in the last century it went all the way up to eight and of course the more people make the more rabbits [ __ ] make more bunnies and so now we're at 8 million I don't John Lennon said something to you in my dreams, you know, uh, in a video. Um, he said, "The world is run by insane people for another one

1:15:22 of your impressions for your He's a scouse, mate. He's a scouse." That's pretty good. But, but I'm saying he said something that I tend to agree with. If you just didn't like most people, you would tend to want to promote the notion that there were too many people in order to make people not care about the the wanting deaths. Well, there's too many people. So, you really And I'll tell you why. Because they were saying that same thing in Plato's age. There were too many people on the planet way back then. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I found that out. I was like, whoa. There was only like 10 people. No, that's funny. But their world was circumspect, right? You Well, you know what? Athens was a direct democracy. So, they were they hadn't figured out, well, we could have representatives.

1:16:09 So yes, in a world where your democracy is direct, where everybody votes and they put a pebble, a white or a black pebble in a pot and that's how you count the votes. I could see them saying, "Yeah, we got too many people on the 405. I think there's too many people." Well, there definitely. Do you know what I mean? That when you're in traffic, it seems like too many people. But I believe there are too many people. But if everybody in the world had a certain amount of space between them, we could all fit in a certain part of Texas.

1:16:35 Yeah. It's not about how many people, it's about resources. No, I I again, I'm going to tell you this is this is something that I think we've been led to we've been mis mis um miseducated on because there there whole scarcity notion is maybe another one of those things that we'll find out later, maybe you will, that is is being pushed. We're already running out of like water in We were supposed to be running out of oil a long time ago. Water Even more basic than oil. Where's water going? What do you mean? Where does it go? Water? Well, it goes a lot of it in California to irrigate crops, which we should. And then where does it go? It's like carbon.

1:17:16 Well, and then Well, there's a finite amount because it falls from the sky. Where does it go? It goes to the ocean where it evaporates again. We're in this closed loop. It's not like it's we're we're losing water. It's never coming back. But enough of it. But more people. Are you saying there's an infinite amount of people that water on Earth could could supp. But it's a lot less like Elon Musk, you know, like him or hate him, has been talking about population collapse. Yes. I don't get that. Look at Japan. I'm on the other side of that. There are places now, too many people that people are dying more than they're recreating. And now kids are scared. Young men and women are not getting together like they used to be.

1:17:58 You know what? That's true. Can we do a shot? I will I will bless the shot. A shot? I will bless. My shot days are over. But I'll I'll pour another one. Pour me half a shot. Okay. Half a shot because I'm going to show off now. What are you doing? Show off cuz I'm not a Jew. What is that? I'm Jewish. You're not Jewish. I I respect You can't. Says who? Are you You're not Jewish. Well, you probably learned that from partin. See, you could play a Jew. I did in 1989. Who? I played a Polish Jewish Argentine pimp. Hello. Wow. Ziko Borenstein in a movie that never made it to the United States. Hey, you know the the actor Isaac Oscar Isaac. Brilliant.

1:18:44 Brilliant guy. That's what Oscar Isaac and uh yeah, I should have named myself Isai Isaac or something, right? You know what? I always thought he was Jewish because the name sounds so Jewish to part I think Guatemalan or something. No, I I saw him on Saturday Night Live. He hosted I'm a big fan. He's great. He's a great actor. Love him. I love him. Um and you know, working your side of the street. Nice guy. Nice looking guy, Tan. And uh he's like, and I was surprised to learn in his monologue, he said, "My real name is, you know," and then he had two Oscar Isaac like Hernandez or something. Yes. Like he had two names, two two Hispanic names. He's a real Latino. And then he said, "Uh, you know, of course they made me." I'm like, "Nobody made you." Let me tell you something. Shut the [ __ ] up. Nobody made you. Listen, it helps. Oh, stop it.

1:19:32 Listen, my middle name is Manuel. If I came out as Manny Morales, you think they Maybe back in that day. Maybe back in the day. You sound like a Jewish garment worker. Mania Epstein. It's just not like I mean, Jewish actors changed their name because it didn't sound like No, he was Hispanic. He Anyway, he was John Wayne was marrying whatever, you know. I thought he was Jewish. And when he and when he said on this monologue that he was Hispanic, the audience like burst into applause, you know, as if to say, "Thank God." He came out, "Thank God you're not white."

1:20:04 He's been saved. Anything's better than that. He's We found out he's Hispanic. That's awesome. It's just I'm really proud of a lot of actors now that are Latino that are being accepted, embraced. I mean, Pedro Pascal is like on fire, you know? Everything he does is amazing. ridiculous to protect El Torres as a movie coming out right now. It's not an impediment in show business. It really isn't. Yes. And no. Now, now, now I'm going to let it was when you started. Let me give you Let me give you It was when you started a little bit. Raul Julia, man. One of my Yeah. heroes.

1:20:37 Amazing. John Leguisamo did. Yeah. Let me just say that. Um Oh, there was something, but the tequila just knocked derailed my train of thought. Um I do that all the time. We have a We're putting together a a highlight reel of me just saying, "What are we talking about?" I now I remember. Thank you for saying that. Oh jeez. But that's the It's not like they're writing great stuff for it. It's It's few and far in between the characters. Whatever the ind the industry choosers of material. Yeah. Um, for some reason I'm still a bad guy more than not.

1:21:16 And I think I could play good guy, but I think I'm considered boring if I'm a good guy. I don't know. You could play anything. I mean, I saw you in I saw you in the Anne Rand movie, which you know, if people don't know Anne Rand, kids, you should really like Google this one. An AN Rand. and she was this woman in the ' 50s, wrote a couple of very long novels and I guess and I guess some books of philosophy. Anyway, she's very influential. You should Google her because um she kind of depending on your view of it uh promagated this view that society was being held back by the losers and that just the winner type people and you look there are winners and losers should just be a little more ruthless in how they take control and so that's what the fountain head and Atlas shrugged are really about and a lot about I kind of thought it is her response to communism, the excesses. Well, communism is and and

1:22:20 that's why it has resonance and did because communism is even worse in the other direction. Evening things out and she's saying life is for the society is for the exceptional and we shouldn't apologize for it, right? And and communism is is the exact opposite. Everybody is equal. Jordan Peterson says the equality of outcome as opposed to Yes. Yes. No communism. When I was younger, I always felt sympathy for communists and socialists because I thought, okay, if I had to pick an ism, right, socialism and capitalism. Where am I going to pick? Capitalism is about capital. Socialism is about people. I thought social, right? I thought, okay, capital can't love you. People can. And I and I was I figured, okay, I'm on the side of socialism. And then as I get older, you know, and opinions change and things, you know, life happens. I realized that if you try to be fair too much, you can become unfair.

1:23:19 And if you take away people's incentive to strive, then nobody wants to do good. Because if you're going to work harder than me, and I'm going to get paid the same as you, then you're not going to work as hard because after a while, you're going to feel like an idiot. I mean, and that's what I'm saying. like like and then I I I thought to myself I said okay capitalism communism you know it's still cronyism no matter where you go whether it's Cuba or this Russia China if you're part of the CCP or if you're part of the ruling party you got it good but it's worse I agree but I'm saying it it is always cronyism but there are levels to it and one reason why America was America and the greatest is because we kept cronyism to shoe level whereas is it was just all what communism was. Can I tell you something? I used to be terrified of the communists, the Chinese. I didn't want the social credit

1:24:11 score. I still don't I'm still terrified. And there are people in our society, oligarchs, that want us to follow that because oh my god, they want they want to be on top of a world. No. And they they like the Chinese model because they keep their people kind of in control, but at the same listen listen, there's more people. They keep their people very much in control yet no substitutions. Yet hang on. Guess what I'm finding out? Okay. That that blew my mind. When they buy a house, they don't have to pay property taxes till they lose it. It's theirs. When they they have less people in prison per capita than we do. We have more people in prison than China has. It's like we are in prison too. That's true. With our own like like let's not get it twisted.

1:24:57 Let's always keep some sort of mental thing to realize that we're in our own prisons with with with materialism with drugs with with pleasure, you know, like come on. We don't take care of our own. No, we don't. Okay, but we have veterans on the street and then we have people that that that break our laws that they're getting taken care of like that that makes conservative you don't want to live in China. I'm not saying I want to live in China, but I can't tell you how many friends that love living in Shanghai for some reason. It is more modern. It is more popular. I don't know. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. If you're Okay.

1:25:32 Unless you want to speak freely, then you will run a foul of the state. Unless you want to speak freely. If you are agree with you, if you are like, if you're one of those people like, you know what, I don't even follow politics. I just want business to be good. You're good. You wouldn't like it. That's not who you are. I agree with you. you wouldn't want to live in China. But I also don't want to live in a in a world that kids itself as to how free it is. My biggest complaint with America and I don't want to live in a world that kids itself that there aren't actual serious important differences. There's a reason why we like it here and it's how many of us have traveled the world at the same time. I have to say I don't want our greatest export to be the illusion of freedom.

1:26:16 We we are because you're free unless you threaten the pharmaceutical interests. Unless you threaten the bankers. Unless you threaten the military-industrial complex. Look what they did to Kennedy. Tell me a tell me a conspiracy theory you don't believe. Oh my god. You know which ones? Okay. The whole concept of conspiracy theory to me is brilliant because it's the way a certain agency and others have of hiding the truth in garbage. So they come up with a lot of garbage so that the truth looks indistinguishable. There is that but there also is sometimes just real garbage right ex they create a lot of it but but even stuff they haven't created some sometimes garbage is garbage absolutely okay good I don't know everything either maybe there was maybe whatever happened there had a reason for it maybe the people who want to call the earth have a reason for it that I'm not aware of what about the moon landing

1:27:09 that's another thing I I'm just Oh no I'm telling you it's not the moon I'm telling you, we lost the moon. I'm telling you, have you seen the videos that come back of that stuff that looks like like really bad sci-fi? Tell me why today when we have in our on our cell phones the same computing power that people had in a building at IBM, right, in the 60s and we go, why haven't we been back? Well, we lost the technology. Do you buy that? Honestly, no. Nobody says that. We We They said that. Pass said that. Nobody says that. Okay.

1:27:43 Nobody says that. What they say is we lost the will and we did and we did. No, they actually did video. I'll show you. They did not. Well, whoever said that was just on drugs. Why did we lose the will? We didn't. Why did we lose the Well, first of all, because I'll I'll tell you why. We went to the moon like I don't know 10 times or something. Maybe five, I don't know. But we went the first time, you know, it was like anything in show business. First one was great. Okay. first one got a lot of hits and then you know the second one was like okay well we've seen this before it's awesome I mean it's amazing uh we congratulate you on your technological prowess here in 1970 but you just basically did the same thing you flew a rocket up to the moon you you landed and then you got got back safely to earth you realized there was no the real estate wasn't good there wasn't pools there's nothing so it was either like

1:28:34 where does this series go next and George Bush used to talk thought we're going to go to Mars and you know we're going to and because if we started from the moon it would be easier because we're already without gravity you know so we're just flying right into space some gravity not as much not much not as much as earth so uh okay that would be next I'm not for that by the way but that would be next if there was something but like the series just ended because we couldn't get to Mars we didn't have that technology and we also just what the [ __ ] why we keep going back to the moon okay we got a We know it's just this [ __ ] barren thing that was a piece of the earth 4 billion years ago and flew off and okay do you know what bothered me as a child and then I'll tell you another concept when you see Santa Claus this all goes back to Santa get that's a conspiracy theory why did they tell me about Santa Claus what

1:29:31 is going on but Santa Claus is real anyway you haven't heard So anyway, the point is, as a kid, I never know, this is just as a child. Tape, we're going to have to wrap this up. Okay. I never knew why the rocket would take off. There's the moon and it would always go away and we never see it like we could see the moon and we never see it like nobody saw it from a a periscope like their own, you know, telescope actually landing. Never then anything of that. And if you look at the module, wait, a telescope would not see something that Dude, this telescope sees things now going your iPhone. No, no, no. You you you blow your iPhone. A telescope in 1969 could not see something as small as our spaceship. Is that the last time we went to the moon?

1:30:21 69 around that. No, we went in the early '7s. I'm just saying there are things that fly. I'm just saying that's not there was a time if you ask Native Americans and before there was a time before the moon there was a school of thought again believe everything I consider everything there's a school of thought that says the moon was not always there it's not I know again well it wasn't it wasn't always there it's not part of the earth it's not like a piece that just broke off and then became perfectly round that's exactly what it is it's the you know not to we've got to hang out make this a history lesson No, according to the big bang, Native Americans knew the time before the moon. No, the universe, the big bang is 14 billion years ago approximately. Uh then um matter cooled for 200 million years. And then um the stars started to form. Earth was formed about 4 billion years ago. So about 10

1:31:19 billion years after the big bang. And the moon was probably a piece of it or something. You know, it's just it's all it's all just [ __ ] rocks. But how do you know this? Oh, we don't know this. Ah, okay. No, no, no. There lies the rub. I can do all we can. Of course, I don't know anything either, but certainly not. You can admit that. We can agree on that. Certainly not the big bang thing because that is theoretical astrophysics. You're right. I am absolutely trusting that Neil deGrasse Tyson knows better than the priest I had when I was a child. Okay. Perfect. So, no. And he could it could be wrong. And scientific theories are proved wrong in that one. But they they seem to think why the earth the universe would have started that way seems inconceivable.

1:32:03 But whatever. They seem to know seem to think they have stuff that they know. And I know how they basically what caused the big bang. Well, exactly. That question can never be answered. And they are and they don't try. Astrophysicists don't try to answer that question. That's not their job. And what is their job? Their job is to is to decipher as well as they can what happened to create the universe and what the what the universe is now. That's the question. What happened to create the universe? Right. Well, again, they're not they're not interested in that. That's not their thing. And none of us can know. No, it's they're not saying that they're responsible for that. And they're not no one could be. We don't know. If if the Big Bang was 14 billion years ago, why why start things off that way? And why then? And what happened before? And those questions you will never answer.

1:32:53 Exactly. And and my answer to that is I don't care. I just want to live a good life. I say the exact same thing. I don't care. I don't care because I'll never know. He's saying there's a lot that we don't know. And so I just wish that we were all gentle to each other as human beings and we only have so much on this planet. It's it's the ants in the jar analogy. You know, they say red army ants and black ants get together. They're in a jar. There's no problem. When somebody shakes the the jar, they kill each other. Really? Yeah. Our jar is being shaken so much. By who? I don't know. Maybe the people who want to see us fight each other instead of them.

1:33:26 Maybe it's us. Maybe we need to look in the mirror. Maybe we're all just humans and it's our nature to be this way. How about this? I mean, I don't know about some of it is we're being manipulated and some of it is just us. Let me tell you about the Tyino Indians when Columbus came in. The Tyino Indians and the Arowax. Never heard of them. Arawax. I heard of them. Yeah. Tino are the ones that were specific to our island and I think some of the Dominican Republic. Columbus wrote about them because the these are beautiful people. They're copper skinned. They're very healthy.

1:33:57 Did Columbus get to Puerto Rico? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was his second trip. Really? Where did he stay? Uh at the Hyatt, I think. No, I think No, at the conventto. Sorry. Hi was after. Anyway, he said these are beautiful people. They share everything they have. They don't have like they don't, you know, they're very peaceful. They're they're loving. They they they're just with 50 men we can make them do whatever we want. And I'm thinking a different mindset took over. I think human beings can be loving. They can and and and and we generally good people but we're farmed by people who don't believe in themselves much less us. That's my thing. Well, we're farms. We're just animals. Our countries are like farms.

1:34:40 It's like a mob. Hey, you control this territory. I control that territory. We're just animals. And when you introduce the element of fear, all bets are off. I mean, can agree? Can we agree on that? Yes. I mean, if we were, you know, crashed on a plane, just you and I in the Andes, one of us would eat the other. I'm just saying. Yeah. But I'm I'm of the thought that we would take our time and look and look to avoid that as long as first. I'm not I'm not saying on day two I'd eat you. Of course I wouldn't eat you on day two. Of course. Stop being the killer white male. Try to [ __ ] find a better solution. Listen, are we both? You know I All right. It's great to see you. I hope this is the beginning of many times in the future since we missed too many years. I've had some really wonderful times. Yeah. Yeah. This is the ultimate man cave by the way. Okay. No. No. No, no, it is okay. I I I want to see you

1:35:45 back here. I'm so glad we did this. I was terrified I was going to cancel myself. I hope I haven't. Uh, you know what? I think you got to lean into that [ __ ] a little bit, but you know, because like what do they You have to have x amount of money. Yeah.

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Bill Maher (Host), Esai Morales (Guest).

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In order: 0:00 Club Random, Mint Mobile, Mission Impossible, Paradise Lost; 10:00 Mint Mobile, Club Random; 20:00 Dog Day Afternoon, Al Pacino, Christopher Nolan, Mint Mobile; 30:00 Puerto Rico; 50:00 Club Random, Mission Impossible; 1:00:00 Fox News, Tucker Carlson; 1:10:00 Oscar Isaac, Elon Musk; 1:20:00 Anne Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Jordan Peterson; 1:30:00 Neil deGrasse Tyson, Puerto Rico.

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