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Vivek Ramaswamy Heads To Iowa | Part Of The Problem 1076

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Vivek Ramaswamy Heads To Iowa | Part Of The Problem 1076", an episode of Dave Smith published January 4, 2024 (49 min, about 10,667 words). It mentions 17 people, works and ideas, including Donald Trump, Nikki Haley, ZBiotics, Department of Education, Sheath Underwear.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Dave Smith, Gas Digital Network, Iowa Caucuses, Trump 2024
  2. – 10:00: Donald Trump, Nikki Haley
  3. – 15:00: ZBiotics, Donald Trump, Nikki Haley
  4. – 20:00: Donald Trump, Department of Education, Nikki Haley
  5. – 25:00: Donald Trump
  6. – 30:00: Department of Education, Sheath Underwear, John Quincy Adams, Nikki Haley
  7. – 40:00: Donald Trump, Nikki Haley
  8. – 45:00: Donald Trump, Nikki Haley, BetterHelp

Notable quotes from "Vivek Ramaswamy Heads To Iowa | Part Of The Problem 1076"

  • Government being way too big you're listening to part of the problem on the gas digital Network here's your host Dave Smith what's up everybody Welcome to a brand new episode…
    about Gas Digital Network · at
  • Through there's so many different factors and it's we're less than two weeks away now from the Iowa caucuses what's it been like I and just you say a presidential primary like…
    about Iowa Caucuses · at
  • Heard that somebody else said about me and actually sort out that process or yesterday we had a guy who wore a trump 2024 hat and he came to one of my events and you know…
    about Trump 2024 · at
  • Position of in many ways representing kind of the America First Position I'm not saying you're the same as Donald Trump and I think actually you've had a lot of criticisms of…
    about Donald Trump · at
  • The candidates unfortunately you have a collective action problem where the Ronda sandis and the Nikki Haley and the Chris Christies of the world are worried about in their…
    about Nikki Haley · at
  • Right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is zbiotics if you've ever had to skip a workout because of drinks the night before well you're not…
    about ZBiotics · at
  • Them packing home I do believe we need to shut down agencies I don't want to reform the FBI or the Department of Education I want to shut them down return the money to the…
    about Department of Education · at
  • Sustainable all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is sheath underwear the underwear of Legends and as one of those Legends I must tell…
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Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Donald Trump — Person · 20 mentions · first at
  • Nikki Haley — Person · 10 mentions · first at
  • Dave Smith — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Big you're listening to part of the problem on the gas digital Network here's your host Dave Smith what's up everybody Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem…
  • John Quincy Adams — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Sense of American conservatives American conservatism I mean look it was John Adams who said I'll butcher this a little bit but it's one of the greatest quotes of all time…
  • Javier Milei — Person · 1 mention
  • Julian Assange — Person · 1 mention
  • Vivek Ramaswamy — Person · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

Products & tech

  • ZBiotics — Product · 3 mentions · first at
  • Sheath Underwear — Product · 2 mentions · first at
  • BetterHelp — Product · 1 mention · first at
    People who have as well and if you're going to try therapy the easiest way to do that is betterhelp.com so if any part of you is thinking about starting therapy give better…

Concepts & topics

Places & events

  • Ohio — Place · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

fill her up you're listening to the gas digital Network we need to roll back the state we spy on all of our own citizens our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders if you want to know who America's Next enemy is look at who we're funding right now every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big you're listening to part of the problem on the gas digital Network here's your host Dave Smith what's up everybody Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem very happy to be joined once again by V ramaswami who is uh let's just say for the rest of his life whenever he goes to Iowa he's not going to need GPS anymore he's gonna know his way around there how are you sir good to see you again it's good to see you man I uh I could share some embarrassing stats about that I sometimes need GPS even in Ohio but uh that's just because we've all become

addicted to it so I'll probably need in Iowa but we've spent a lot of time here yeah yeah fair enough well I know you've been all over the place there it's kind of uh it's really something this is a a presidential primary season that I think is unlike anyone I've ever uh uh lived through there's so many different factors and it's uh we're less than two weeks away now from the uh the Iowa caucuses what's it been like I and just you say a presidential primary like you've never seen I think we ain't seen nothing yet compared to what's coming in the next six months I believe in ways that you know could be good and bad both but anyway put that to one side it's been uh it's been a heck of an experience from a personal perspective the best part about this process is meeting actual people without screens or TV or media intermediation of it I'm gonna have done I think close to 330 events actually over 330 events in Iowa

before the Iowa caucus on January 15th and that doesn't counter other events across the country country I actually love it I mean people call it a grueling schedule sometimes there's 10 events a day or whatnot that's probably been my favorite part of the process I don't enjoy giving a stump speech over and over again and so that part's like okay I I I've kind of migrated away from that but just having open and unfiltered conversations with actual people who are coming with thoughtful questions it's been pretty awesome actually and so to do it with our family as well I mean my wife is a hero she's a throat surgeon who takes care of cancer survivors and helps them swallow in the surgeries she does but she's taken an immense amount of time while keeping her full-time job doing this with me dragging our two kids along and you know I'd like to think they're having some fun with it too it's been you know it's been a blessing of an

experience to be really honest with you about it now what comes of it we're going to find out in the next in the next couple of weeks I think we're going to deliver a major surprise but no point in speculating about that I'd rather preserve the surprise for January yeah by the way I've seen uh your wife has done a few interviews she's a sharp lady too cuz usually smarter than I am usually when like they're interviewing a candidate's wife it'll just be kind of like you know questions about like I don't know what kind of roses are you going to plant like at the thing they're like throwing gotcha questions at her and then she's like doing circles around them so I've enjoyed some of those uh like what kind of roses are you gon to put I'm pretty sure she would just like get out of her seat and slap him she's not a violent person but metaphorically that's what she would do she is a uh she's going to be a badass first lady

I'll tell you that yeah no that's that's for sure it's just kind of different I I don't know you know I haven't seen too many times where it's like the the candidate's wife who is actually like someone who's very formidable uh herself so that was kind of that was kind of cool I appreciated that I do think to your point I think some of the best videos that have come out of your campaign have just been the videos that have been going viral of you with voters like them asking you pointed questions and you actually having really good answers for them and the ones on the internet Dave it's like a tiny fraction of like the total that's just like every day actually which I love sometimes there'll be a protester coming into an event a lot of these don't even get caught on video but you'll get sort of have somebody else who's who's challenging me from something they've heard that somebody else said about me

and actually sort out that process or yesterday we had a guy who wore a trump 2024 hat and he came to one of my events and you know sometimes I like to have fun with the audience too I kind of I kind of poked some fun at him it was like a blatant Trump 2024 I call him out and then he comes back I said hey I noticed you're wearing the Hat of the other guy in this and he says no I'm actually supporting you but I wear the hat because of what it symbolizes and that was interesting that caught my attention and we had a pretty deep conversation on the back of that it's just daily that's what the been the best part of this process especially been a guy as a CEO of a biotech company and I've built companies it's a totally different experience than actually having all of the filters taken off and having raw and open conversations with people who generally come to these events they tend to be the people who

are very thoughtful and care about the future direction of the country to take time out of a Saturday afternoon or a Tuesday evening to come show up to a two-hour event and ask questions of a candidate it's been a pretty good part of this process and I'm enjoying it well so one of the and that's very interesting that that little anecdote about the guy wearing the Trump hat because it does symbolize something kind of bigger and this this is something we've been talking about on the show a lot where there's this very strange Dynamic to this race which is that you have the former president of the United States of America who uh is is the front runner in the polls right now but he hasn't been to any of the debates it's kind of almost like he decided he's not participating in this kind of part of the primary and then you've been in this position of in many ways representing kind of the America First Position I'm

not saying you're the same as Donald Trump and I think actually you've had a lot of criticisms of Donald Trump in your books and stuff like that and I think we could probably sit here for a while and talk about all the things in 2020 that Donald Trump should have done that he didn't do in terms of like getting rid of fouchy and not you know supporting lockdowns and this stuff but it has been an interesting Dynamic where you're kind of representing the in in many ways the maybe the next generation of that kind of spirit of like a repudiation of the Republican establishment a repudiation of the kind of idea that we ought to be this Empire involved everywhere in the world and kind of prioritize that over getting our own country together which is you know going through pretty serious challenges so that that's a very interesting dynamic in this primary I think it's an interesting dynamic in part because there's a deep divide in

searching for what the Republican party is or will be in the future I mean I think that's a big part of what's at stake in this primary and I think there's a lot of people that want to bring back Dick Cheney 2.0 I think that is still where a majority of the Republican establishment actually is the overwhelming majority of it and I think that there's a divide between a managerial class within an institution in this case the the Republican party and the people who consider themselves to be represented by that same party so that's what makes one of this things that makes this primary all that fascinating and precisely because Donald Trump hasn't been present you know I think it's made my I would say head-on sparring with the other candidates on some of these issues that much more important I agree with Donald Trump on probably about 90% of policies there are the 10% where we disagree and that's a

you know maybe a discussion for a later phase in this race if it gets down to being between me and him but 90% by and large I agree with him on policy and even the areas where we disagree at least respect and understand where he's coming from on most of it but I think part of what this is also about is a really a divide between the managerial class and the citizen I mean I think that the swamp it doesn't just exist in Washington DC I think it's increasingly crystal clear to me the swamp exists within the Republican party yeah and the dynamic of this race if you were to really what you ask me about let me just tell you flat out what I think the most important Dynamic is this year I think the system is not going to let Donald Trump get anywhere near the White House I I just don't think that's gonna happen I think that it's sad I am fighting against it tooth and nail every way I can I've said I would remove myself from

the ballots of Maine and Colorado or any other state that removes Trump from the ballot that's the best I can do called on every other Republican to do the same thing which if you think about it if every other Republican did do it that would actually solve the problem because then they couldn't that would nullify any state that tried to nullify one of the candidates unfortunately you have a collective action problem where the Ronda sandis and the Nikki Haley and the Chris Christies of the world are worried about in their language collecting delegates but that being said I'm going to do everything I can to stand against this I'm against these politicized prosecutions I filed a freaking foyer request against the Biden doj for what Biden told Jack Smith and and what mer Garland told Jack Smith I'm doing everything I can but I think if we open our eyes and see the truth if if you think they're

going to let this man at this point having opened your eyes to the last nine months and you still think they're going to let this man get anywhere near the White House I'd encourage you to actually open your eyes I think that this system these people will stop at nothing and increasingly Dave I'm convinced they will stop at nothing yeah to keep this man away from the White House they want to narrow this down to be a two-horse race between basically Donald Trump and their chosen puppet I have a view on who that is and it's I used to think it was going to be Gavin Nome or Michelle Obama it's not it's actually within our own party get Trump out of the way and then Trot out Dick Cheney 2.0 in the white house that's what people want you think it's Nikki Haley I do actually yeah well I think that she's actually a far more convenient puppet than either Biden or Nome or anybody else from the left

because then the permanent state gets to actually shed its otherwise accusation of partisanship they say this not about partisanship they support there's these people Larry thinkink or Reed Hoffman the people who are wanting to keep drum Trump off the ballot the kings of the woke industrial complex they said no no no we're not left Wingers we're supporting a republican well it gives them the same air cover the perfect air cover that they need but actually if you double click on it Nikki Haley's a far better vessel for advancing their agendas than even Joe Biden if you think about keeping the proar machine humming Nikki Haley's far better bet for that than Joe Biden is and Joe Biden's have been a pretty darn good bet so far at least in Ukraine and elsewhere but Nikki Hill's far better at that agenda if that's what your priority is same thing with respect to the censorship industrial complex in the

name of National Security it's the Dick Cheney Playbook all over again tie your social media accounts to your government issued ID yeah I think people want the dick chady 2.0 version of the Republican Party keep in mind that wasn't Joe Biden that was the Republican Party in the post 911 era if you want to bring that back it's a much better vehicle Nikki Haley offers you a much better vehicle all you got to do is cut her family in on the rake a little bit she'll do whatever you need her to that's actually what's going on and it's hiding in plain s side and one of the things that I think isly painful for me to watch is much of our Republican base Fall For That Trick In Plain Sight don't be duped by it I think many people will say okay well if I'm 90% aligned with Trump and I respect Donald Trump's contributions to this country as I do I've been more vocal about that than any other candidate in

this race then why don't you drop out and support him open your eyes people they are selling us the Rope today that they will use to hang us tomorrow that's the Trap they've laid and the question is do we fall into it or not and I'm in this to make sure that we don't I'm not a passive bystander I'm here to make sure that that trick doesn't work and you know I think it's going to be for better worse a let's just call it a very interesting year ahead I'm worried about what it pends for our country but I'm in this for our country to make sure that we're not skating on thin ice that actually cracks to its breaking point and that's what I worry is at stake all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is zbiotics if you've ever had to skip a workout because of drinks the night before well you're not alone and if you're committed to your health in this new year you got to check out zbiotics

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off your first order all right let's get back into the show you know one of the things you know there's like the Q andon conspiracy stuff online which the the corporate media loves to use to hit every Republican oh you're another qon supporter but if you've ever actually seen they're a small group they have some wild conspiracies the thing that pisses me off about them the most is not that like whatever if you believe in some conspiracy whatever it's it's not as bad as the corporate press's conspiracies TR Russian you know agent or whatever um but the the almost the problem in their view is that it always involves this conspiracy when then like and then this hero is going to Rise From the Ashes and save us and then Trump will be reinstalled and then and and you're just like first off they've been saying for I think he was supposed to be reinstalled three years ago or something but it's like no look if your position

here is that they stole the election from Donald Trump in 2020 well Donald Trump was the sitting president of the United States of America in 2020 he doesn't have that power now and it's very clear that the with the justice system being weaponized against him with the Deep State being weaponized against him they are sending a signal that we will not allow this man to be president again sending a signal Dave is an look at this I mean last time it was a man-made pandemic Tech suppression and and algorithmic exploitation of the entire electoral process let alone you could talk about the rest of the election conduct if you think that was last time around this time they start with the protests then they start with the civil suits then they start with the state level prosecution in New York then they start with multiple Federal prosecutions One Federal prosecution then multiple Federal prosecutions now

without legal process at all just removing them from ballots and that's just 2023 ratchet that up what do you think is next do the math people the system has made they're not they're not sending a signal they have made Crystal Clear blaring sirens in your face and so I guess the thought experiment I'd ask people to do Dave is maybe this might be a little bit clearer for some people I don't know is just for a second something that I do is H you know so I do this you I've run my businesses and we're going and embarking on something we'll do what we call a premortem you people talk about a postmortem they look at something that undesirable that happened and then analyze it to prevent it from happening in the future one of the ways I've LED my businesses is let's do a premortem imagine that whatever plan we have goes wrong what are you going to be saying 12 or 14 or 24 or 36 months from now looking back

and saying what went wrong to get us there well let's do a little bit of that exercise here fast forward just to January of 2025 okay when the next president are being inaugurated or after the election and before the inauguration do you think you're going to look back and say if Trump was eliminated from contention in some way you think you're going to say oh that was a shock what was I thinking I fell for that and now we're looking at whoever else it is whichever puppet they're trotting out trying to get them inaugurated do you think you're going to say oh that was a shock that was surprising we didn't see that coming or do you think you're going to say at that point in time what the hell were we thinking and how did we let that happen in this country I think that you will look back and be saying the latter well let's not do that let's opt for a path that allows us to take our America first

movement to the next level and in some of the ways you look at the differen between Donald Trump and myself I respect a hell out of Trump's contributions to this country I want to take them further in many of the cases I believe that we do need a national identity that we're missing in this country I do believe that we should shut down 75% of federal bureaucrats send them packing home I do believe we need to shut down agencies I don't want to reform the FBI or the Department of Education I want to shut them down return the money to the people of this country so I want to go further in many cases than Donald Trump did begin with where he left off give him credit for what he did he deserves it for this country but take that agenda to the next level but first of all we have to open our eyes to the traps they've actually laid for us in the year that this election's going to be decided to say

you don't want to be looking back a year from now and saying how did I actually fall into that trap and yet that's where I see a majority of the Republican electorate actually is believing on one hand that there's I think correctly a plot to effectively Stave off the outcome that many Americans want which is Donald Trump to be the next president yet acknowledging that somehow the system isn't going to succeed in doing that when many people acknowledge that's exactly what the system did in 2020 you got to actually use logic to skate to where the puck is going the other side is always one step ahead I feel like our side is always a half step behind let's actually Step It Up understand where this plot leads and then do the right thing for the country starting now yeah you know there was this uh there there was this um interview that Trump had had with Maria ber um this is a several months back but I thought it was a

really interesting um one of one of Donald Trump's most interesting interviews I'm not sure if you saw this but so she basically said to him at one point she was like well look you know you said you were going to drain the swamp and we got to admit the swamp isn't drained right there's still a swamp in Washington DC and he got had a moment of humility which is rare for Donald Trump um and he was kind of like well look I've I'd only been to Washington DC a handful of times before I got in there I kind of didn't know what I was dealing with and one of the things and maybe this falls into the 10% like where you were saying the 90% that you agree with Donald Trump on but I think one of the things that really my favorite thing about your campaign is kind of the comment you just alluded to there when you talk about cutting 75% of bureaucrats these kind of like drastic Cuts in the managerial state in

government spending and I think obviously I'm a little biased here because I'm a a hardcore libertarian but I do think that one of the elements that was always missing from the America first movement was tying like this concept of drain the swamp to like well what would that actually look like what would you actually need to do to drain the swamp and I know that Nikki Haley will on occasion say I'm for small government you know like the way every Republican ever has said but there's a difference between just every Republican ever who says I'm for small government and then always increases the size and scope of government and actually understand right and actually saying no listen this is what it is it's we're spending six plus trillion dollars a year this is a giant Honeypot where money is extract Ed from the American people and going to politically connected people that's the corruption

that's the swamp if you want to if you want to drain the swamp there's no way to do that without drastic Cuts in government spending drastic Cuts in government bureaucracy and I will say Donald Trump I think never made that connection I never really heard just the other day what what you say something about the FBI getting a new beautiful building you're like man you're gonna build them a building these are the people who framed you for treason there's one answer for the FBI shut it down there's a slogan that represents the way I'm going to govern this country it is those three words shut it down you have Washington DC that treats government shut Downs as though they're a bad thing I think done the right way it's absolutely good thing it's the necessary thing that we actually need for the country so let me just take this actually because you're you know I mean I appreciate that you're a thinker as

well comes at this from like I think a synergistic angle not exactly the same angle as me but we can actually have a conversation about like what do these words mean America first right we use words like this I'm an America First conservative what does that mean I don't think we ever paused to actually say what that means America First is not it cannot be whatever comes out of Donald Trump's mouth on a given day first of all there will be a day time where Donald Trump ceases to exist second of all that's not the basis for a movement movement is grounded in principles I think about America first as a as a Libertarian nationalist movement that's the way I would describe it founded on two principles two very simple principles nothing I'm about to say is partisan the two very simple ideas is that I think every American should have the potential to to agree with actually the first is that the

people who we elect to run the government ought to be the ones who actually run the government and the second is that those people who we do elect to run the government they owe one moral duty and it is to the citizens of this country not another one that's it I I think that every American in this country in principle should be able to age to those things the people we like to run the government we the people create a government that's accountable to us not the other way around what does that mean that actually actually Dave I might just say say that one principle we the people create a government that's accountable to us not the other way around what does that mean it means two things in practice the people we elect to run the government are the ones who run the government and the moral duty they owe is to the citizens of this country not another one I think we as Americans can agree on

those things so then now let's just look at the facts as it compares to those principles the people who elect to run the government they're not the ones who are actually running the government government it's the fourth branch of government the administrative State they set the policy they enforce the law in many cases act as the jurist interpreting the law as well judge juror execution or prosecutor Allin one my answer is shut the administrative State down I think the administrative State it's existence is itself unconstitutional and I think one of the differences between myself and Trump is I think Trump had the right intentions I think they duped him they told him you can't shut down for example I'll give you one on civil Serv proteor they told them you can't fire those Civil Service employees because those Civil Service employees enjoy Civil Service protections you can't fire somebody

working at the I don't know FTC because they disagrees with your views on abortion something like this agree or not that's what the law says but read the law it does not apply to mass firings Mass layoffs Mass firings are absolutely what I'm bringing to the DC bureaucracy just as a thought experiment I'm not say it's going to go like this but a thought experiment day one you could come in and say if your social security number ends in an odd number you're out if it's an even number you're in on day two the government will literally be half of its size the federal bureaucracy will be half of its size and yet not a thing is going to break by the way everything's going to function exactly as it did the day before the sun will still rise in the east and set in the west that's the kind of change we require not only operationally and to move quickly and for Effectiveness and I do think that if

you're going to strike that swamp it strikes back you got to move quickly it's also what the law requires actually because otherwise they're going to tell you it was political retaliation or civil rights violations for disperate impact this or that no large mass firings you're clean get that done right out of the gate and and the second of those principles okay eventually we'll then thin that down we'll bring the chainsaw first we bring the Chisel after that I'm gonna make Javier Malay I believe look like a modern I love Javier Malay I think he's awesome I've been following his campaign for a long time we're going to put that on steroids in the United States of America and then you get to the second part of this which is that those people who are elected to run the government the ones who are left they owe a moral duty to the citizens of this country not another one it's not our job to manage somebody

else's conflicts or be a global policeman somewhere else and think you and I I can't remember I think we may have had an exchange on this where I think we had different points of view but that's where I come out on some of the questions you know in the Middle East or otherwise it's not our job to be policemen one way or another it's our job to look after the citizens of this country that's what I think America First stands for America First doesn't come with an asterisk America first comes with yes we have allies we stand for them diplomatically just as we expect them to stand for us diplomatically and I think that's better for our allies by the way and it's better for us but the people we like to run the government run the government and they owe a moral duty to the citizens of this country not another one and to me that's America First not what comes out of my mouth or Donald Trump's mouth on a given day it's got to

be anchored to the next 250 years of the direction of our country yeah I think well I think that's right and I think that it's it's that is the America first but like almost as you said the idea of putting your own country first that should just be a given like obviously it should be a given the people who are elected by Americans their first obligation is to Americans but it's also really it's it's really the most conservative sentiment in the truest sense of American conservatives uh American conservatism I mean look it was John Adams who said I'll butcher this a little bit but it's one of the greatest quotes of all time where he said if we go around the world looking for Monsters to destroy will become the diatric of the world but we will lose control of our own soul and we go not in search of monsters to destroy I think it was John Quincy Adams actually who said that oh yes okay my M you're right yes this was

yes this was he Secretary of State and yeah yeah but you're totally right we go not in search of monsters to destroy and and and and look at the state of the country I mean look it's it's not a coincidence that look during the Vietnam war is when you see the cultural revolution over the last 20 years of Terror Wars look at what woke progressivism has become in this country and I think part of this kind of America First versus The Establishment neoconservatism is this attempt for the right half of America to kind of figure out where we go from here and if you want to go the Nikki Haley Direction but I like these things are very related if you want to go the Nicki Haley Direction you're also not going to get this culture like rained in you're also not going to restore kind of like the American and and I'm not even saying we have to restore some type of like 1950s like like you were just talking about

your wife's a surgeon like I'm not saying like women should be pregnant Barefoot in the kitchen or something like that I'm saying that we have to restore some type of Sanity where like the term woman means something you know like I'm not I'm not like putting it into a box of like old school or something just something that is sustainable all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is sheath underwear the underwear of Legends and as one of those Legends I must tell you you got to get yourself one pair of sheath underwear they're the most comfortable boxer briefs you will ever put on your body they have been a sponsor of this show for over three years and when they first came on board they sent me two pairs and I tried them on I was like this is so great and I ordered a bunch more it's the only underwear I wear now and I'll tell you I still have those original two

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simple principles that's it that's the ball game if we do do that we get our own we get first of all instead of protecting somebody else's border Halfway Around the World protect our own border right here in this country instead of actually having a bureaucrat decide whether or not a particular educational policy should be the law of the land vote for it through the front door and if not give the money back to the people we don't need a Department of Education I'm pretty practical about this stuff and I think this is where I'm different than probably the entire rest of the Republican field from Trump to disan to anybody else I don't think we need an FBI in fact I think we patently need to not have an FBI sure a book actually my wife and I actually both actually por was the one who made it her way through most of it but I got it got enough of the bits and pieces of it that I took a lot away from it was Gman did

you read this one by chance no you would love this book uh because it's really fundamentally about it's about the FBI and the history of gar Hoover Gman stands for government man but what it's really about is the tension between bureaucracy technocracy and self-governance and the FBI its roots were fundamentally hostile to self-governance it's an organization you know you have some organizations that kind of lose their way over time i' put the Department of Education in this category I don't think it should have been created in the first place but at least it was created for making sure that southern states weren't misusing federal funds to divert them away from black school predominant black school districts to predominantly white ones like that's where the department of education's origin was and then it lost its way into these toxic racial and gender ideologies that it's foisting onto our local schools using our money

to do it but put that to what side the FBI it's been rotten since its Inception and it was designed to actually be rotten to its core and so what you see today isn't any surprise it isn't a deviation from the purpose of the institution It's actually an instantiation of the purpose of the institution you cannot reform it forget about building the new building of course that's that's a that's a waste of time itself you have to shut it down can't be you know DeSantis will in a in a practiced way and I love the way these people get trained you know you got to be tough on the FBI checkbox that that is what the Publican basis telling us so look into the camera with various levels of performative vigor and say fire Christopher Ray and then like pause that's one of these things these politicians do is you you do that and then there'll be the awkward one second where the audience doesn't know what

they're supposed to do and then it's a full beat and you realize oh the audience realize I'm supposed to applaud and you get some scattered Applause to it like that's what that looks like fire Christopher Ray pause and then oh I'm supposed to applaud and some people will applaud that doesn't do anything right you fire Christopher R get James Comey 2.0 you're missing the point it's a rotten institution like that's what actually you have to understand you have to gut the Leviathan at its core and you know maybe I I I some political person told me the other day not to use that word because people don't know what I'm talking about but whatever it is it's the bureaucracy that actually we have to got at its core shut it down is the answer now this is this impractical no it's deeply practical there's 35,000 employees at the FBI 20,000 of them are back office bureaucrats send them packing day one gone bye-bye find honest

work we're done with this Jay Edgar Hoover finally may he may put may may we actually put the nail in that cough now for the 15,000 cops on the front lines okay well at least do an Next Step move them to the financial crimes enforcement Network at the US Treasury or to the US Marshals which actually hasn't been politicized that's a law enforcement apparatus that actually enforces the law rather than making it up at least to date it's been much better that and going after child sex trafficking or Rings or otherwise more effectively than the FBI those are basic changes we can make right out of the gate I think we'll be more effective at enforcing the laws that actually are on the books you know whether you like the laws or not at least the goal of the federal law enforcement should be to enforce the laws that are on the books not making up the laws that go along which is what the current FBI and I

don't say current FBI it's what the FBI's always been doing since its Inception and so I think it takes anyway a president who understands that and I can't remember Dave are you have you started business are you entrepreneur type of person or um I mean yeah I technically I I run an esort technically yeah yeah right okay I mean fair enough so I mean you've hired people is my point yes you know that different people have different skills and I think one of the things that's happening right now people forget this running for president is a is a job interview with the American people in hiring a president one of the things to look for is as a person have the skills needed to do the job I think reframing as a job interview I think is productive I certainly find it productive because it you know you know you have lot cameras and stuff following you around and you can think of yourself as very important at times

in the process you're interviewing for a job and you have the qualifications to serve the people who you report to now sometimes people forget who they report to because you're spending most of your time with mega donors calling them licking their boots beging for money you might start to think that they're your boss I think most politicians do well if you just forget that and say okay room fulls of 30 people in a Pizza Ranch in Iowa okay these are my bosses not the big events like the small event 30 people in a pizza Ranch yes these are my bosses and I'm interviewing for a job with them what are the qualifications that I need to say that I have that this country needs I think I think it's two things and they don't go together which is what makes this tricky right now one is you need a president who's actually going to have the muscle the brawn to break things when necessary coming in from the outside you know somebody who

isn't going to play by the rules of Washington DC and this the traditional norms and you know I bring that Trump brings that and so there's that but it also takes an outsider who knows and deeply understands the law and the constitution in this country and just as somebody who's hired people you know you'd put yourself in that shoot too those two skills aren't the kinds that usually go together right you might need you know an academic nerdy law type over here and then you get the business guy the entrepreneur the doer The Man of Action over here those two things don't usually go together right like they do in a figure like Thomas Jefferson perhaps but we haven't had a Thomas Jefferson in a long time in this country and I think that that's if you really believe we live in a 1776 Moment by definition what this country is missing is that type of figure and so I'm not going to chalk myself up to that Thomas Jefferson

leaves too big of shoes for any of us to fill but I think we need somebody in this country to lead us forward who can bring both of those elements and I'm not even talking policy here I'm talking about cultural and person attributes I mean Thomas Jefferson he I'm sitting in a swivel chair right now Thomas Jefferson invented this actually he invented while writing the Declaration in Benjamin Franklin he invented the Franklin stove he invented the bifocal spectacle he worked on a remedy to the common cold he was a co-signer of the Declaration of Independence he he the one of the lightning rods of a home was actually a prototype invented by Benjamin Franklin got one of the other co-signers Robert Livingston while he's ambassador to France as a side project is actually a guy who invented one of the key components of the steamship there was something in the water back then right we don't do that

anymore in this country would say you're not an expert you don't have a degree in that shut up sit down do as you're told and you know the political people stay in that lane and the people who are able to be legal Scholars are over here and then there's the doers who are business builders in their own lane and I think there's some you know something to be said for specialization but when it comes to the next president I think we need somebody who revives that founding spirit I guess what Thomas Jefferson or the likes of them would say if they were alive today yeah no I I really agree and I think what you're getting at is that and it's not that we don't have impressive people in our society I mean we certainly do um and there's certain there's people like Elon Musk who's however you feel about him a very impressive person and there's lots the the issue is that we don't have those impressive people in politics and

that we very few of them and uh you know it's like they so many of them get sucked into like Wall Street and get sucked into different business stuff which like you know fine but it is you know there's one of these this is one of my favorite moments of the campaign so far and I by the way I bring up this video that I I've played on the show before from uh um this guy Liam who works over at the gry zone and he did this thing where he was doing kind of like gorilla journalism you know like asking uh congressmen questions and the question he kept asking him was about uh because they were all for funding the war in Gaza and or you know funding Israel and he goes how do you feel about netanyahu's strategy of propping up Hamas over all of these years and every one of them like Dan crenchaw and a bunch of the other ones are there every one of them to a te are like h i I haven't seen that report and it's very

interesting because they keep saying that report like in other words they're just living off I don't know someone gave me intelligence and they haven't handed me this and they're like okay well it was in the front page of the Times of Israel of heret of the New York Times like this is mainstream this isn't like a conspiracy theory it's like it's not like a report it's just something that's been happening in the world right and so and and there's this interesting thing and and the moment I was referring to was when you were kept telling Nikki Haley that she couldn't name three provinces in uh in in eastern Ukraine that she's willing to fight this war over and 100% positive that she I knew it yeah and it's funny because it's like one of those like giving uh OJ Simson the glove type moment like you're taking a risk by if she just shoots three provinces at you then you look like a jerk but you're just so confident that

you're like I know you can't do this I know you can't name these and then intellectual frauds well her comments her comments on the Civil War the other day like the the the media was trying to make it out like the Scandal there was that she didn't mention slavery but the Scandal there was that she just has no idea and you realize that like these people their job is not to read books and know what's going on in the world their job is to meet with donors and to do these like event like it's just there operating in a different space they're literally I mean it's almost as I don't know I don't know if they came this way or they packaged this way or they or the politics drains it out of them but these people are literally they're like sort of walking Effigies like that's kind of what they are there's literally sort of like nothing going on inside but it's sort of a programmed vehicle generally

by donors that walks and talks in whatever Direction you want to so I'm glad you pointed that out because I think people lost the plot on the real issue with the Nikki Hal Civil War response she could have bucked the mainstream media narrative and the and the standard accept narrative and uttered the words 10th Amendment but she didn't say the words she she didn't mention the 10th Amendment she just went into I have not been programmed for this mode so much so that there's a there's actually her exchange with the guys he says Civil War her response is like it's like a robot asking its programmer back what do you want me to say about the Civil War it's literally what you just asked him like he said war he's like okay I've not been programmed for this what do you want me to say and I will say it back to you was literally the question she asked the guy that's actually what was most revealing about

it you could be one of the people that say the civil wars fought exclusively over slavery you could say slavery was was was the precipitating match that was lit but it was the Catalyst for an underlying set of causes that were more complex and dated back decades from the northern tariffs In 1832 that almost caused South Carolina to ceed from the union her home state for God's sakes none of that really and Amendment none of that it was just what do you want me to say and until then I'm just going to utter words that reflect a kind of verbal oral diarrhea that is effectively the state of modern political discourse in the Republican party no less and yet this is the puppet they want to basically put up to narrow this down to a true two horse race eliminate Donald Trump send that puppet into the White House to be able to send more money to so some Ukrainian kleptocrat can buy a bigger house so

that the American kleptocrat which is Nikki haly's family can buy their bigger house as they run a military Contracting firm and suppress you know some n some some free speech in the United States in the name of national security business as usual is back that's what they're playing for and andain pains me to watch many in the Maga the America first movement fall for this trick in plain sight when it's just staring Us in the face and I'm not g to let that happen I'm not going to be a passive bystander letting this happen you know many people who are strong Trump supporters or otherwise say why aren't you just supporting Trump well first of all I believe I'm gonna be the best president for this country but second of all you're about to fall for a trap that they've laid for you in about 12 months from now you're going to say that this was obvious and yet here we are Paving the way for exactly that outcome we

cannot be engaged in this level of self-hatred and self- flogging to engage in our own self-punishment to get us to the very outcome that we all acknowledge is wrong for the country and I think one of the differences is you know I think one of the ways they might backd door all this discussion about Nikki Haley potentially being Donald Trump's VP and Donald Trump I don't think has taken that off the table I'll tell you if I'm president no one from Nicki Haley to John Bolton to Chris Christie to to Lindsey Graham to Carl Ro is coming within spitting distance of forget the vice presidency any role in my Administration that's what it's going to take if we actually want to get this job done and so anyway I'm no I think you're right and I do think that look I think Donald Trump uh Bears a a a large amount of responsibility um for the dynamic you're talking about that if there are people in the Maga movement who are like

fooled by Nikki Haley well may part of that be that Donald Trump appointed her and like pointed at her and said this lady is great and she represents out you know what I mean and so and I'm not one of these people like I think I I think Dave I don't sit here and like Monday Morning Quarterback Donald Trump because I think that's such an easy thing to do that STIs is of I do quite a bit of it yeah that's your job to do but it's somebody who's running against him as like a Ronda santis which he's like now found this to be like a fashionable thing he's trying for something the next Hail Mary that he's throwing it's like it's a such a I think it's I think it's sort of a lazy thing to do versus saying that you know what if Ronda s were in Donald Trump's position he would have made those mistakes and then some okay and countless more whoever else right Chris Christi put fill in the blank but what

I'm saying is let's acknowledge where we what we did and what we didn't do and then how do we move this Mo take this movement to the next level and I do think that a good learning would be to say that someone like Nikki Haley should come nowhere near my Administration again that someone like John Bolton would never come near my Administration again well that's what I'm saying this show is sponsored by better help guys if you feel like there's anything getting in your way in Life or getting in between you and feeling fulfilled and happy therapy is a great way to deal with that I personally have benefited from it I know lots of other people who have as well and if you're going to try therapy the easiest way to do that is betterhelp.com so if any part of you is thinking about starting therapy give better help a try it's entirely online it's designed to be convenient flexible and suited to your

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for the person who's going to speak the truth to you I'm the only candidate in this race who can actually say I'll shut down the FBI that I'm against the use of eminent domain to seize Farmland of farmers to build this carbon dioxide capture pipeline that they're trying to force across the state of Iowa and the name of a climate cult I'm the only person to say I'd pardon peaceful j6 protesters on day one when I'm in office or pardon Julian Sange for that matter I mean it's revealing that you know that I mean Rona McDaniel should step aside as chair one of the RNC that'll repeal liability exemptions for vaccine manufacturers for a special form of crony capitalism that stops them from being sued where normal product manufacturers can be sued I could just go on why am I the only candidate I mean Ronda sandz to Donald Trump to anybody else why am I the only candidate who can actually tell you I'm going to do those

things it's fascinating it's interesting I mean I think part of this is I'm not bought and paid for and I don't report to that I think that's a big part of this I mean we put you know maybe if you're you know my family maybe you could you second guess me on this years from now but we put tens of millions of dollars of our own hard money in our hard-earned money into this campaign I didn't inherit it but I want to do that to avoid being somebody else's puppet or otherwise what's the point of going through the motions but it's an interesting question question is literally like for America first or not why am I the only candidate in this race who can say these things and I think if we want a Fighting Chance of actually taking on the Deep State and then some consider voting for the candidate who's at least if you're going to speak truth to power in Washington DC maybe you what might want to ask who's

speaking the truth to you right now and make your decisions accordingly and so so I think we're actually quite early in this race actually compared to the bulk of what's going to play out this year we're about halfway through if you look at it you know eight months ago and then there's about eight months to go now till the actual RNC convention where they officially nominate the nominate and of course it goes through November but I think in substance compared to what's happened versus what is about to happen this year I think we're very early in this race I think we're in about the third or fourth inning right now and I think that what's going to happen this year look I think there could be good that comes out on the other side of it and and I'm in this race to make sure that that happens but in absence of that I'm very worried about what happens for the future of our country and what the

stakes are right now when we're skating on thin ice and you know I'm in this Dave all the way and we're going to stop at nothing as a family to make sure that we do the right thing for our country all right well uh best of luck with it I think that um it if nothing else I think even just getting these ideas out to Republican voters I mean look State different the the same thing you were just saying about like why am I the only one in the race who's saying this the other side to that coin is why is it that Republican voters aren't absolutely demanding that every one of their candidates be saying things like this and so that's well they should be but I will say this it's un certain of those things though I'll tell you this Dave because like the the right Chain Reaction should be then you know if you have a candidate who's moving the Overton window that the voters then demand it and the candidates say it

there's a more powerful force at work here the actual bosses of these people the people who in many ways will actually may even determine the outcome of the election and so that's why I'm in this race for a reason that's different than the one that you say even from Pat beanan to Ron Paul's have played important roles in Shifting the conversation and I respect the hell out of them for it that's not why I'm in this I'm in this to serve as the next president if I want to do that I can keep writing books I've written books in the last several years that's not what I'm doing here I think there are some major seismic shocks that are coming this year I think the system as it exists right now has a plan effectively a plot that's hiding in plain sight laid out for us to see they want it to be a two-horse race and they're going to eliminate Trump it's up to us to make sure that we don't go according to their

plan don't fall for their trap and I think that I'm here to take our movement to the next level and I think that's exactly what's going to happen actually well I I sure hope you're right and um I'm very uh excited and interested to see how Iowa goes and how the rest of this campaign goes so best of luck and thank you so much for taking the time again I I can't wait to talk to you again about whatever the next but the the guarantee is when we talk next something crazy will have happened by that time so I'm not rooting for these things to happen of course we have to be prepared for what they're doing all right well V ramaswami and just give people your website or where they can go if they wanna if they want to support your cause v224 comom if you want to support the campaign if you want to support our no to neocon pledge go to no to neoc cons. that summarizes the pledge that I'll ask of everybody who's part of

our movement it's a great pledge I I 100% support it all right thank you again sir and thank you everybody for listening catch you next time

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