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Inside Roc Nation: "Jay-Z Does This One Thing No Other CEO Does" | Samyr Laine

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Inside Roc Nation: "Jay-Z Does This One Thing No Other CEO Does" | Samyr Laine", an episode of Founder's Story published February 24, 2026 (29 min, about 6,121 words). It mentions 24 people, works and ideas, including Elizabeth Lane, communication, Freedom Trail Capital, Olympics, Jay-Z.

What this episode is about

The discussion contrasts working with Jay-Z and Will Smith, highlighting how top-tier performers share similar traits—deep thoughtfulness, introspection, and strong listening skills—while also noting the practical, bulldog entrepreneurial mindset needed to launch ventures like a book publishing division. It also emphasizes Samir Laine’s distinctive path from Olympic law to Roc Nation.

Key takeaways

  • Pedigree is a map, not the destination; clarity and candor drive high-performer collaboration.
  • Jay-Z and Will Smith differ in storytelling vs. listening, yet both master concise, powerful communication.
  • Never meet your heroes only works if you don’t pedestal them; reality checks fuel pragmatic partnerships.
  • Launching a JV on day one reveals the value of decisive direction, relentless alignment, and experimentation.
  • Discipline plus real-time feedback turbocharges influence; top figures reward precise intent and actionable plans.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Jay-Z, Rock Nation, Olympics, Will Smith
  2. – 10:00: Olympics, Freedom Trail Capital, 2012 Olympics, Triple Jump
  3. – 15:00: Jay-Z, Olympics, Triple Jump, 2016 Olympics
  4. – 20:00: Authenticity, Rock Nation, Jay-Z, Will Smith
  5. – 25:00: communication, Accountability, Consistency, Authenticity
  6. – 28:50: Elizabeth Lane, Freedom Trail Capital, entrepreneurship, Olympics

Notable quotes from "Inside Roc Nation: "Jay-Z Does This One Thing No Other CEO Does" | Samyr Laine"

  • From the Olympics law school to work with Jay-Z, Will Smith.
    about Will Smith · at
  • Which who hasn't heard of Harvard, law school to working with Rock Nation, I mean Jay-Z, like I want to know what the heck is it like to work with Jay-Z.
    about Jay-Z · at
  • Becoming an entrepreneur. How was that for you now that you've, you started your own thing, Freedom Trail Capital? What did you take away from all the things you did before?
    about Freedom Trail Capital · at
  • Qualify for the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. I didn't qualify. I didn't jump far enough. And then so when I did qualify for the 2012 Olympics by then I was top 10…
    about 2012 Olympics · at
  • Morning, you're "All right, now I have a job to do." But, and then you're absolutely right because I tried to qualify for the 2016 games and…
    about Olympics · at
  • And then if there's someone who can authentically tell that story and authentically lend their audience and their brand cache to this business that we have, how do we marry.
    about Authenticity · at
  • >> Yeah, I think so for me it's probably three things. Communication, accountability, and consistency. Right.
    about communication · at
  • Story how can they do so >> yeah LinkedIn's usually the best bet it's just Samir Lane I'm I'm on LinkedIn our fund is there…
    about Elizabeth Lane · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Elizabeth Lane — Person · Main guest · 1 mention · first at
    He discusses his path from elite athletics and Harvard Law to operating roles at Rock Nation/Westbrook and founding Freedom Trail Capital, emphasizing performance, communication, and authentic brand-building.
  • Jay-Z — Person · Referenced figure (former boss / exemplar) · 5 mentions · first at
    Used as a case study for elite performance, communication style, and how cultural cache can be leveraged to build brands; also tied to Samir Lane's work at Rock Nation.
  • Will Smith — Person · Referenced figure (former boss / exemplar) · 3 mentions · first at
    Contrasted with Jay-Z as a communicator and storyteller; illustrates lessons Samir Lane learned while working at Westbrook about performance and brand storytelling.
  • Eminem — Person · Referenced artist (motivational analogy) · 1 mention · first at
    Referenced via the 'one shot' lyric to capture the pressure and singular opportunity feeling of Olympic competition.
    Know, four years before two. It's most likely your whole life running up to this moment and you have one shot. It reminds me of the Eminem song, right?

Companies & orgs

  • Freedom Trail Capital — Company · Core topic (guest's company/fund) · 2 mentions · first at
    Represents Samir Lane's entrepreneurial outcome: a fund focused on investing in strong businesses and pairing them with authentic platform/audience advantages.
  • Rock Nation — Company · Referenced employer / learning environment · 5 mentions · first at
    Samir Lane describes working there under Jay-Z, including launching a book publishing division and learning high-performance communication and brand-building.
    Had from the Olympics in 2012, Harvard, which who hasn't heard of Harvard, law school to working with Rock Nation, I mean Jay-Z, like I want to know what the heck is it like to work with Jay-Z.
  • Westbrook — Company · Referenced employer / learning environment · 2 mentions · first at
    Samir Lane describes working there with Will Smith and learning how talent-led businesses leverage personal brands to build consumer brands.
    Understood that I'm at Rock Nation Jay's my boss right and same thing when I'm at Westbrook and Will's was the boss but I think what my…
  • Harvard — Organization · Referenced credential (education) · 1 mention · first at
    Cited as part of Samir Lane's pedigree (Harvard Law) supporting his 'bulletproof' preparation before entrepreneurship.
    So Samir, I mean what a history you have had from the Olympics in 2012, Harvard, which who hasn't heard of Harvard, law school to working with Rock Nation, I mean…
  • Once Upon Farm — Company · Referenced example (authentic celebrity-backed brand) · 1 mention · first at
    Used as an example of authenticity-driven brand building (Jennifer Garner) contrasted with trend-chasing or 'name-slap' launches.
    Her brand Once Upon Farm just had an IPO. But if it's hey, I grew up on a farm in West Virginia and I grow some of my kids food in my backyard and there aren't like really healthy food for kids.

Concepts & topics

  • communication — Concept · Core topic (culture-building principle) · 5 mentions · first at
    Presented as the most important lever for high performance—clarity of objectives, roles, and feedback—learned from working with elite performers and applied to organizations.
  • entrepreneurship — Concept · Core topic · 1 mention · first at
    The episode connects athletic discipline and career skill-building to founding a venture fund and building businesses with rigor rather than trend-chasing.
    And what happens to those companies. I'm I love that people can promote entrepreneurship and obviously funding is can be a major barrier for people to continue to…
  • Authenticity — Concept · Core topic (investment/brand criterion) · 3 mentions · first at
    Identified as the primary differentiator between successful and failed celebrity-backed brands; authenticity must precede platform leverage.
  • Accountability — Concept · Core topic (culture-building principle) · 4 mentions · first at
    Presented as a key ingredient of high-performance culture: holding people to deadlines, expectations, and stretch goals without letting repeated misses slide.
    >> Yeah, I think so for me it's probably three things. Communication, accountability, and consistency. Right.
  • Consistency — Concept · Core topic (culture-building principle) · 3 mentions · first at
    Described as repeatedly underpromising and overdelivering, and maintaining stable expectations and transparency to build trust and performance.
    >> Yeah, I think so for me it's probably three things. Communication, accountability, and consistency. Right.
  • Triple Jump — Concept · Referenced sport (guest's event) · 3 mentions · first at
    Central to Samir Lane's athletic identity and used as an analogy for iterative improvement and addressing weaknesses—paralleling career growth.
    Learn, where I could grow. It was always about growth. I did I do take that from my time as an athlete, right? as I was a triple jumper. So, I'm always how do I improve…
  • Growth mindset — Concept · Core topic (personal development lens) · 1 mention · first at
    Explicitly named as the incremental improvement approach Samir Lane used in athletics and career development—getting better 'one inch' at a time.
    Olympic games. I'm just thinking about improving and having this growth mindset and getting better one inch, one centimeter at a time. but eventually it paid dividends…

Places & events

  • Olympics — Event · Core topic (career milestone) · 6 mentions · first at
    Frames Samir Lane's athletic identity and the psychological experience of elite competition, which he connects to discipline and entrepreneurship.
  • 2012 Olympics — Event · Core milestone (guest's Olympic appearance) · 1 mention · first at
    Samir Lane recounts qualifying after failing in 2008, the emotional relief and expectations, and how the experience shaped his mindset.
  • Beijing — Place · Referenced location (Olympic attempt / competition city) · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as the site of Samir Lane's unsuccessful 2008 Olympic qualification attempt and later as a place he competed internationally.
    Law school. Right. And so in my first year of law school, I tried to qualify for the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. I didn't qualify. I didn't jump far enough. And…
  • 2015 World Championships — Event · Referenced athletic achievement · 2 mentions
    Used to illustrate Samir Lane's continued elite competition and returning to the same stadium context after earlier failure to qualify for the Olympics.
  • 2016 Olympics — Event · Referenced missed goal · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned to underscore how rare Olympic opportunities are and that 2012 ended up being Samir Lane's only Olympic appearance.
    Morning, you're "All right, now I have a job to do." But, and then you're absolutely right because I tried to qualify for the 2016 games and…
  • London — Place · Referenced host city · 1 mention · first at
    Discussed as the 2012 Olympic host city and described as enhancing the Olympic Village experience and post-competition atmosphere.
    Not competing be at the tail end of the games. You are letting your hair down. London was a phenomenal host because it's just a great city, right? Especially in the…
  • Berlin — Place · Referenced competition location · 1 mention · first at
    Referenced via the Berlin Olympic Stadium (Jesse Owens history) to emphasize the significance of venues where Samir Lane competed.
    But I got to see the world because of track and field. I got to compete everywhere from the Berlin stadium where Jesse Owens won four Olympic medals to Moscow, Russia to…
  • Moscow — Place · Referenced competition location · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as one of the international cities Samir Lane competed in, illustrating the global travel enabled by track and field.
    Everywhere from the Berlin stadium where Jesse Owens won four Olympic medals to Moscow, Russia to Beijing, right? And so I competed in 2015 at the same Olympic stadium where I…

Full transcript with timestamps

from the Olympics law school to work with Jay-Z, Will Smith. >> They're very similar in a sense. >> I think with Jay, it's it it's very poignant and very thoughtful. Whereas Will, he's a phenomenal storyteller. For me, the idea of Never Meet Your Heroes is is salient if you put people like that on a pedestal. I think literally my first and second day, the idea was, hey, we want to launch a book publishing division. No idea how you're going to do it. Go launch a book publishing.

>> You started your own thing, right? If I hung my own shingle and I wanted to be an entrepreneur that I checked the boxes beforehand from a pedigree standpoint, a skill set standpoint, then I could be as bulletproof as possible. So Samir, I mean what a history you have had from the Olympics in 2012, Harvard, which who hasn't heard of Harvard, uh, law school to working with Rock Nation, I mean Jay-Z, like I want to know what the heck is it like to work with Jay-Z. I mean, you've worked with uh Will Smith, but I want to know. So, or maybe even let's hear the two of them. How is it to work with the likes of Jay-Z to then working with someone like Will Smith?

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a good question. It's it's a great question. I think they're very similar in a sense, right? At at some point you get people who of that ilk who are at the top of their field and have been for a long time. There are always going to be similarities, right? and and as as you know any high performer in almost any field you can kind of oneto one there are things that they're doing to get to that place and and they're similar. So w with Jay, I think what a lot of people say is spot on. Very thoughtful, very introspective. Um I think they both are for for Jay is more he's a great great great great great listener and Will's a phenomenal listener as well, but I think with Jay it's it's um he's a man of a few words in most instances, right? And so but when he speaks he's very poignant

and very thoughtful, whereas Will is is a storyteller. Will's a story teller and if if you read his book, if you hear the audio version, you know he's a phenomenal storyteller, right? But but he's also a great listener because he's listening and then he's giving it back to you through story and connecting with you in that way. Um and so yeah, but but from from a performance level, what's gotten them to where they are is discipline, is understanding how to connect with people, understanding how to communicate. They're both tremendous communicators through different mediums.

Uh and I I I learned a lot by by working with them in different capacities, being in their presence in some ways, having a front row seat at how they've achieved what they've achieved. Uh both experiences were tremendous learning experiences for me. >> So there's a saying you know like you never want to meet your heroes and how was it when you when you were able to meet these people like one was it what you thought it was going to be and then two were you nervous to then also give them feedback and were they open to it?

>> Yeah. Yeah. I for me the idea of never meet your heroes is um is salient if you've put people like that on a pedestal right because they can never live up to the image that you have of them and so I was fortunate enough to to not do to not do that right and I understood that I'm at Rock Nation Jay's my boss right and same thing when when I'm at Westbrook and Will Will's was the boss but I I think what my anticipation of what they were like was spot on because again from the outside looking in I understand that they're tremendously successful when Jay-Z says, "I'm not a businessman. I'm a businessman." That that was he told you that what it was and then when you get with him that that's accurate, right? You're asking questions about a business or a brand that we've worked on and he's fully read

in but he's fully invested. He's giving you great ideas and and so on and so forth, right? And so, but you also understand that working with people like that, um, a lot of it is just being very, very, very, very clear in objectives, in what they're trying to achieve, and also also clear in how you're going to go about achieving what they've asked you to do, right? And so, uh, for for me, for example, one of the first things I did at Rock Nation, I think literally my first or second day was, um, the idea was, hey, we want to launch a book publishing division. no idea how you're gonna do it, go launch a book publishing division. Right? And it took a little time to to chat with the different legacy publishers and Simon and Schustster and the Hashet books and opinion of Random House. You were figuring out a joint ventures and I've never published a book myself, let alone

launched a JV with a big international uh book publisher. But but the the idea was this is what Jay wants to do. This is his objective. And for me, I've got to be very clear in how you want to do it, when you want to do it, why you want to do it. Do you have particular non-starters? And then for me to vocalize to him, this is the path I'm going to try to take. Are you okay with that? Do you want me to pivot anything else? And and for anyone like that, anyone of that vein, not because they're famous, but just because they're high performers. Communication is key, right?

You want to communicate, you want to be as crystal clear as possible. Ask questions. Um not not there. There is such thing as a dumb question. Not not dumb, but annoying, right? So if there's something you can figure out without taking their time, do it on your own. So when you come to them, you're very to the point. Uh but yeah, communicate with clarity and concision. Those two are are are very very important and they were for me in that time. >> No, I appreciate that. I I think it's like um you you almost would get nervous depending on who you're around and who you're working if you do put people in a certain place in your mind or a place in society. But if you don't do that, then people are just people. I think back to myself. I'm o I'm a huge proponent of working somewhere to gain skills, to gain knowledge and connections before

becoming an entrepreneur. How was that for you now that you've, you know, you started your own thing, Freedom Trail Capital? What did you take away from all the things you did before? >> Wow. Yeah. You know, you hit the nail on the head. For me, in my resume, in my education, a part of it was the path I took as an athlete, but but then in my career, I've always tried to um make sure that I was beyond reproach to some extent, right? Like if there was something I wanted to do, if I if I hung my own shingle and I wanted to be an entrepreneur, that I checked the boxes beforehand from a pedigree standpoint, from a skill set standpoint, that I could be as bulletproof as possible, right? And there you're always going to have some weaknesses. No one knows everything. You've got to you make sure you align yourself with teammates and and partners who can uh be the ying to

your yang. But in my career, I was always, hey, I'm going to this side because I want to learn these things. I I'm not strong here. I want to get stronger here and and so on and so forth. And so uh for me and now, you know, I went to law school and I practiced law a little bit and then from there pivoted and grow as an operator. Uh, and I was able to kind of understand what it meant to build a brand, build a business, build a marketing plan, build tweak your supply chain, improve your margin. So, a lot of it for me to get to this point was um, taking positions, working with people, being at places where I could augment my skill set, where I could strengthen whatever weaknesses I could have, where I could learn, where I could grow. It was always about growth. Um, I did I do take that from my time as an athlete, right? as I was a triple jumper. So, I'm always how do I improve my speed? How do I improve

my strength? How do I improve this part of my jump or that part of my jump? And it was really kind of tinkering away at those so-called weaknesses. Exactly like you said, it's been the same in my career, right? If if I'm not a great Excel modeler, great. Can I take a role where I don't have to be the best, but I can learn as I go along and improve, you know, looking at Excel spreadsheets or making models or reviewing a P&L or over looking at a balance sheet and all that stuff, right? the things that you just don't do in law school. And you do to some extent, but you're not doing any of that in in law school. And so for me, a lot of my career, even my education, even the classes I took in law school were about I'm going to do this thing. I I'm not there yet from an a knowledge standpoint. I'm not there yet from a skill set standpoint. I'm not there yet

from an experience standpoint. How do I eventually get there? How do I take roles and have experiences that allow me when I want to become an entrepreneur to understand that um I I've minimized my weaknesses? you can eliminate them. In some case, you maybe you can, but they're tough to eliminate. You'll always have some weaknesses, but to minimize them, uh, to make sure that you're as prepared as possible once you go out on your own. >> So, I've always wanted to know, what is it like to be an Olympian? What's the feeling like? Like, I was watching the Olympics this morning and I got me thinking about just the amount of nerves. Like what does it feel like when you get up there to know that this might a be the only time you go, right? Like you might only get one shot.

>> Yeah. >> In your life, you've been practicing most of your like it's not just, you know, four years before two. It's most likely your whole life running up to this moment and you have one shot. It reminds me of the Eminem song, right? Like >> Yeah, that's it. >> You got one moment, one shot. >> So tell mom spaghetti. Like >> what was that feeling? like tell me the feelings what was going in through your head in that moment.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny because for me >> and and I competed professionally throughout law school, right? So, so I competed in college. I was an all-American in college. I I went to University of Texas. I used my last season season of eligibility while I got my master's degree there and then went to law school and competed throughout law school. Right. And and so in my first year of law school, I tried to qualify for the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. I didn't qualify. I didn't jump far enough. And then so when I did qualify for the 2012 Olympics by then I was top 10 in the world. And so a lot of it was was relief, right? Because I tried four years prior I I didn't make it. And and so you I was relieved but then um there was a little bit of level of of expectation right because to your point tried in08 didn't make it. I'm

working for four years and in between you've got world championships and different competitions but the Olympics is it's the pinnacle. And so I did work four years, even more than four years because I've been competing for a long time. But when you get there, you're like, I I did it. I I've achieved something that I've set out I've set my mind to, my mind, body, and soul to to be honest. And and it was four years plus in the making. Uh and it was everything you'd imagine it would be, right? And so, but it's also tough because you're balancing the idea of I don't want to rest on my laurels because I got here, I feel like I could win a medal. I'm top 10 in the world. So, it it's you take the opening ceremony, uh, all the fanfare, all the pageantry, the 90,000 people there. My parents were

somewhere there, you can't even see them, and you allow yourself to feel the goosebumps. You allow yourself to to get that sigh of relief and just appreciate how far you've come. And then the next morning, you're like, "All right, now I have a job to do." But, um, and then you're absolutely right because I tried to qualify for the 2016 games and didn't. So, so it was my one shot. Um, still have some regrets. I guess you can call it regrets, but as as Jay-Z says, you got to learn to live with regrets.

Um, but but I I put it all out there, right? And had tremendous experience. And it really was everything that you anticipate it being. And for me, that that's from watching way back in Barcelona 92 and Atlanta 96 and eventually I've watched every summer games and you get to 2012, you're like, "This experience was everything I imagined it would be and then some." Um, competitively could have gone better, but just just being there was was phenomenal to be honest. >> How was it in the Olympic Village? I've heard stories.

>> Yeah. >> But I imagine it go you probably are like hyperfocused and then afterwards you don't have anything else to do. You're then like, I'm just going to let loose because it doesn't really I don't have to like >> eat certain things. I don't have to not sleep, you know? I don't have to do all the things that made me get to that point. Now that it's over, >> then what happens >> there? There's a little bit of that.

There's a little bit. So, whole lot of partying, whole lot of debauchery. >> I I didn't partake. My my my wife was also an Olympian. We were both competing at the same Olympic game. So, so we had fun. We we had fun ourselves. >> That's epic, by the way. >> Husband and wife competing at the same olymp. Okay. >> Yeah. That that's So, it was phenomenal. But but um it's funny because when I competed in my and I think they flip-flopped for the for the 2028 games in in LA, the track and field portion was at the tail end and then the men's triple jump was was at the tail end as well. Right. So then also usually after the Olympic Games, there are some track and field competitions international on the circuit that you have to So I didn't get to quote unquote let my hair down as much as a lot of people do because after

that I went to I went to Stockholm and then Barcelona and then Zurich. I had a few like very big competitions after the Olympic Games still. Um but but you're exactly right. It it is a big party after people compete as long as you're not competing be at the tail end of of the games. You are letting your hair down. London was a phenomenal host because um it it's just a great city, right? Especially in the summer, you've got phenomenal weather. And so after that, everyone's going out into the pub and into the city and having a great time. Uh but yeah, the village itself was was a lot of fun. Was a lot of fun.

It is very intense and and you can you know you can it's there's a lot of anxiety in that first week or so. Then as people start to compete and they're they're finished. You you can also realize like who's done competing, who's not. You can see them and they're in line at the there's a McDonald's in the in the uh in the cafeteria Olympic village, right? All you can eat free McDonald's, right? So you can see like all right, I I see you've had McDonald's for like every day every day for the last couple of days, so you must be done competing. or I see you kind of like stumbling back into the village from from the city so you can always get a sense of like who who's done.

>> That's why I want to be an Olympian just so I could eat McDonald's and I I won't gain weight. What is it like being a husband and wife Olympian? >> Yeah. >> Now like my husband my wife and I are very competitive as it is. I'd say like we're two entrepreneurs who are very competitive. But if her and I were Olympians and I don't know like I'm not sure how the dynamic would be. I think we'd be ultra competitive. But how is it for you two?

>> Yeah. You know, and it's funny like and we got married a after our athletic days, but we trained together for for almost a decade >> as well, right? We had the same coach and and clearly I mean like we're not doing the exact same. We're not lifting the same thing in the weight room, but still we're we're competitive to to a point, right? So I I'm I'm watching her do something and she's watching me do something and we're cheering each other on and so on and so forth. And e even now, right, we're playing board games.

That competitiveness is still there. We tried to not uh we tried to not add pressure to to our kids, right, because we have two kids. But but yeah, I I think it motivated each of us in in different ways and we weren't competitive with one another. It it allowed us to kind of be better support system for one another. Um and also just understand what each of us was going through, right? whether it's an injury or whether it's it's a bad day at practice or it's a tough day or something like that, especially because we both did the same event, right? So, we had our coach and and and again, I'm not trying to jump far f far farther than her, but I see I see what she's doing and I'm like, "All right, I I see you worked on this, you did this well.

I've got to do I've got to go as hard or I've got to do as as well as you do." Or even like she'll go to a competition, I'm like, "Man, that's phenomenal. All right, now now I've got to I've got to do the same." And and vice versa, right? Like I would do a lot of competition and she'd use that as motivation. So, we always played off one another, but but to each of our betterment, for sure, because we we were trying to push one another as opposed to either competing against one another or tearing each other down.

>> I like that. Yeah, you're working off one another. I have to say the people that do that sport are like crazy fit. >> I always like to see like who's like really that swimming like then I want to go do that exercise or that workout. I'm like yeah >> I wonder if I could do that, but I know I I for sure can't. My knee is horrible. Um when you when you think about uh when you were like what you're doing right now and the problem that you needed to solve.

>> Yeah. >> Going through your work experience Olympian school all the things that you did at what point did you say okay this is a major problem and this is how I'm going to solve it? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's funny for me. A lot of it was I'd spent time um as an athlete and then was at Rock Nation and Westbrook and so I had a front row seat at just not just I got to manage some some artists, right? I got to manage work with a few Billboard and platinum recording artists, but having a front row seat at seeing how Jay leverages cult his cultural cache to build brands. How how will does the same, right? how they manage their own brand, how they've built consumer brands, how they've utilized their personal brands and lent them to consumer brands to add value. But what what I what I hadn't seen was people

taking a real rigorous investors look at these talented businesses, right? And so more often than not, it's I got the biggest star in the world. Let's go launch a liquor brand, right? And that that's usually how it goes. And but no one had said there is a world of investing here where you could marry the idea that the right person with the right platform and the right audience could add value to your business. But as an investor, especially as an invent as a venture investor, I've got scalable returns that I need to give back to to my own investors. And on top of that, I want to invest in great businesses. And the idea and the ethos of venture was always I want to invest in innovative businesses that solve problems that can uh have a reason to exist and are differentiated from anything else out in the marketplace. And then if you can leverage a Jay-Z, a Will Smith, whoever

else to grow or scale that business faster to reach a new audience, then you want to kind of combine those two things. And and more often than not, what typically happens is, you know, it's it's the hot space. So it's tequila usually. I have a famous person and I'm gonna use their name to launch a tequila brand. As opposed to for us, the problem we're solving is we we want great businesses first and foremost that do have a reason to exist that are unique and are innovative and solve a problem.

And then if there's someone who can authentically tell that story and authentically lend their audience and their their their brand cache to this business that we have, how do we marry the two? And and so for me it was after time of being an operator, after time of of kind of being in this world of talent led businesses, seeing success, having a ton of success on on the Rock Nation side and then also on the Westwork side and then understanding that as people especially now as these talented businesses become more prevalent. Most people aren't building as thoughtfully as they could and should. It it's more about chasing the hot thing, right? It's chasing the chasing the prime the prime drink or chasing the energy or the tequila whatever it is. chasing the trend as opposed to to some extent setting the trend which is I think what you ultimately want to do and in venture

setting the trend or being in innovative is usually what gets you the returns that people are looking >> I've always wondered what made the biggest difference when you look at uh famous personled brands I'm just using the word famous could be creator could be artist whatever this I don't want to say influencer but let's say celebrity backed brands. >> Y >> there are like in in skin care and makeup there's like everyone under the sun launched but surprisingly many of them failed.

>> Yeah. >> And then the ones that succeeded though they this success was so big that I almost feel like then others just launched to kind of match them not realizing that majority of people are failing. What do you think? What did you see and what what do you feel is the difference between when a celebritybacked brand is successful to when in the same category it fails? >> Yeah, it's a few things and it's exactly what we look for as a fund, right? But but in general, authenticity first and foremost. You get a lot of instances where people are just launching things because they're chasing the returns that they saw someone else get or a friend get, right? So, if if it feels like you're chasing return, it's usually because you are. and and nowadays the consumer is a lot more discerning that than that. I think the other thing is uh

people do it in reverse, right? At some point you've got to have a great brand that is excellent that um is again differentiated from anything else out in the marketplace that is built upon a a foundation of a great business, right? You got your your margins matter, your supply chains matter, your skew assortment matter. Like all of those things that go into creating a good business matters, your executive team, your brand, your story, all that matters before the idea of who's the famous face that we're going to slap on. And if it feels like you're just slapping a famous face on it, then that that's usually where you get into trouble, right? But if it's hey, I always use this example, but if it's a a Jennifer Garner, right?

Her her brand Once Upon Farm just had an IPO. But if it's like, hey, I grew up on a farm in West Virginia and I grow some of my kids food in my backyard and there aren't like really healthy food for kids and so on and so forth and I want to figure out how to start that sort of business my my own on my own. There's an authenticity there, right? And it's there a bunch of people who have done it tremendously well. Uh and then there the list of folks who haven't done it well is a good bit longer. But I think if you're chasing trends, if you if it feels like a name slap, if it feels like a copycat product or a copycat business, that that's where you get into trouble.

And versus, hey, I'm creating something because there's a problem I'm trying to solve. I'm creating something because there's a real business here that can be profitable down the line and we're not just pouring good money after bad money. And then I am leveraging someone with an audience and it doesn't have to be celebrity. It can be a well-known account, right? and you're launching and they've got an audience or they're who whoever you know, but it can be someone who just has an audience and is authentically married to this business you're you're you're launching. Um, and that's when you actually get that success as opposed to I saw four other tequila brands. I just saw maybe a tequila brand and that's actually not not the way to go about doing it.

>> I've seen a lot of tequila brands, a lot of >> I still brands for people that don't even drink. That's the fascinating part. like they're not like known drinkers, but they're >> I won't name names, but I've seen them. I've seen them. >> I don't even care about the brand. Um that's I've seen their pitch decks, too. >> I I imagine I imagine it must be interesting. Um I have to say, but I've also seen like where like you're saying like the the person isn't really even involved. It's just like the like name is being put on there and they have very little involvement. Um, which I hope then that the company that's backing it is going to obviously put their name in a good light. If you could think about

how to build a high performance culture with zero budget. >> Yeah. >> If you could give a few steps on how to do so, what would you say? >> Yeah, I think um so for me it's probably three things. Communication, accountability, and consistency. Right. Communication is is first and foremost communicating why people are doing things. communicating the goals and objectives of your organization, communicating um people's different roles and and and that communication and being clear with objectives and and results and all that stuff.

Communication first and foremost above above all else from from the top down and from the from the bottom up, right? the entire organization and that that's how you get a culture where everyone's bought in, everyone's rolling in the same direction at the same pace, people understand their role and other people's roles and how their role fits into the organization. I mean, you can get a culture of of um just teamwork, but but also it's kind of an all forone sort of thing. If you're as long as you're communicating and everyone's as open as as can be, I think accountability is another piece of it, right? It's kind of you dubtail off of communication, but holding people accountable, right? There are deadlines or expectations or you want people to be high performers, so you've got to hold them accountable to their role and the expectations of the

role. And sometimes maybe you're you're giving them stretch goals, right? And so you're trying to push people along to get as much performance out of your team as possible, but holding people accountable is a big part of that. and and letting folks know that when they fall short that it's it's you don't want to beat people over the head, but you want to let them know that they've fallen short and you're disappointed, but we we'll be able to pivot and pick up the slack. But um not letting people off the hook too often or or or at all if you could avoid it. And last is consistency, right? Like that idea of underpromising and overd delivering, doing so time and time and time and time again. um being consistent in how you communicate. Not saying I'm going to be super transpar trans transparent today and then in a couple weeks I'm gonna

kind of be less transparent, but being consistent throughout um how you approach your team, how you approach what you're building, how you approach goal set, ju just as a whole, being consistent in in your level of expectation and so on and so forth. So yeah communication accountability and consistency for sure. It's amazing how many people get communication wrong. Whether it's at work, in a personal relationship, friends, like I feel like every every breakdown of a relationship like could fall back to the communication. My final question is this. I wrote this book behind me here, unlimited possibilities, how to live without limits.

>> Yeah. >> And I think back to in your life, what was an unlimited possibility that you had maybe as a teenager, as a young adult that later in life you achieved? Man, I it it it was going to the Olympic Games, you know. It's funny and I I won't even like go through my entire story, but I I started running track in seventh grade. I got cut from the track team in eighth grade because I was a teeny tiny distance runner and I not only did I detest distance running, I wasn't very good at it. And I didn't go back to track and field until almost my senior year of of of high school, right?

But it was the Sydney Olympics in 2000 where my parents wall had newspaper clippings of of Olympians and I was watching and recording every track and field competition, all that stuff. And so um and then even even then like I didn't see myself in in college like I'm I'm here just to go to the Olympic Games but but it was a dream I had for a long long time and and so u and then to get there to not qualify in08 to eventually get there in 2012 to be in the finals qualify for the finals to finish finish 10th um it it was phenomenal right so but but it was it was a seed that was planted long long before that that I hadn't realized was still germinating even as I went. So I'm at I'm in college. I'm not thinking about the Olympic games. I'm just thinking about improving and having this growth mindset and and getting better one inch, one

centimeter at a time. Uh but eventually it paid dividends in in 2012 and then even even before then, right? I competed at a few world championships beginning 2009 and several world championships. But I got to see the world because of track and field. I got to compete everywhere from the Berlin stadium where Jesse Owens won four Olympic medals to Moscow, Russia to Beijing, right? And so I competed in in 2015 at the same Olympic stadium where I failed to qualify in '08. I got to compete in 2015 Olympic uh the World Championships in 2015. So um yeah, it was a lot of hard work, a lot of discipline, but all of that all of those lessons do factor into my entrepreneurial journey now. So it all it all fits in together nicely.

>> Well, Samir, I mean, if that's not an unlimited possibility, then I don't even know what one is. The fact that you like your senior year is where you took it really really serious. >> Yeah. >> And you became an Olympian. That's amazing. I imagine most people are doing it from like the age of one >> on, right? Like they >> Yeah. A lot of people start early. Yeah. >> Really early, right? Exactly. Right. Yeah. It's pretty rare. I think you start I think you and there's like a swimmer, I forgot his name. He started like taught himself swimming or something like that and became uh but yeah that's that's pretty rare. What think this is a testament it's a testament to obviously your dedication yeah >> and desire and and competitive nature

but this been great if people want to get in touch with you maybe they want to maybe they have a business that they need funding y >> maybe they want to learn more about your story how can they do so >> yeah LinkedIn's usually the best bet it's just Samir Lane I'm I'm on LinkedIn our fund is there Freedom Trail Capital I'm on Instagram as well of course but th those two are probably the best bet >> amazing well Samir thank you so much uh for all that you do. I'm excited to hear all the investments that you're making and what happens to those companies. I'm I love I love that people can promote entrepreneurship and obviously funding is can be a major barrier for people to continue to progress um which then obviously hires more people, brings more wealth. We were talking about generational wealth and other things.

But thank you for all that you do and joining us today. >> Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it.

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Who speaks in "Inside Roc Nation: "Jay-Z Does This One Thing No Other CEO Does" | Samyr Laine"?

Samyr Laine (Host), Samir Laine (Guest).

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The discussion contrasts working with Jay-Z and Will Smith, highlighting how top-tier performers share similar traits—deep thoughtfulness, introspection, and strong listening skills—while also noting the practical, bulldog entrepreneurial mindset needed to launch ventures like a book publishing division. It also emphasizes Samir Laine’s distinctive path from Olympic law to Roc Nation.

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