CFP Review, NFL Preview, and a Sports Business Master Class

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Donald C. Murphy, FanDuel, LeBron, Montel Williams
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Ohio State Buckeyes
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Ravens, Steelers, FanDuel, Seahawks
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Steelers, LeBron, Ravens
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Seahawks, Steelers, Dan Orlovski, Penny Hardaway
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: LeBron
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: LeBron
8. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: LeBron
9. 1:20:00 – 1:27:56: Ravens, Seahawks, Steelers

Notable quotes from "CFP Review, NFL Preview, and a Sports Business Master Class"

• LeBron probably doesn't need a simulator in his house. He could just have an actual golf.

  about LeBron · at 1:01

• That reminds me of that movie that Eddie Murphy was in when he was Didn't he date a girl or he was a chief executive at like a ad agency?

  about Donald C. Murphy · at 3:03

• Like cuz I tell you something. When I was a kid, Montel Williams was the man.

  about Montel Williams · at 4:29

• Game over is presented by FanDuel.

  about FanDuel · at 5:35

• This is taking a step in the right direction, beating a team like the defending champ, Ohio State Buckeyes.

  about Ohio State Buckeyes · at 10:45

• This weekend in the NFL? Because there are two like everyone's talking like Panthers Raven Steelers. I'm Raven Ste.

  about Steelers · at 25:03

• Football game this Sunday. I'll skim over the the When does the 49ers and Seahawks play? Sunday.

  about Seahawks · at 26:41

• Seahawks and the niners is probably like 20% charged and it could be 40% if for the Seahawks if Darnold plays.

  about Sam Darnold · at 40:45

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• LeBron — Person · 8 mentions · first at 1:01
• Stephen Curry — Person · 2 mentions
• Donald C. Murphy — Person · 1 mention · first at 3:03
• Montel Williams — Person · 1 mention · first at 4:34
• Sam Darnold — Person · 1 mention · first at 40:52
• Dan Orlovski — Person · 1 mention · first at 42:07
  Okay. By the way, Dan Orlovski ran out of the end zone as a professional quarterback and is like the best analyst on TV like you know.
• Penny Hardaway — Person · 1 mention · first at 49:34
  Steve Francis, Penny Hardaway, Nick Van Axel, Dererick Rose, Gilbert Arenas, Tim Hardaway, too. Forget about Tim Hardaway.
• Will and Ariel Durant — Person · 1 mention · first at 49:55
  It just sparked something. But yeah, before we get to that, why isn't Kevin Durant's name in the MVP race?
• Ellison, Mandy & Ralph — Person · 1 mention
• Tupac — Person · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

• Steelers — Company · 12 mentions · first at 25:07
• Ravens — Company · 7 mentions · first at 25:28
  You see, I have to look at this. This is my setup. Even though Ravens Steelers might not win either, but that's a traditional rivalry that's different than Panthers.
• Seahawks — Company · 6 mentions · first at 26:47
• FanDuel — Company · 4 mentions · first at 5:35
• San Francisco 49ers — Company · 3 mentions
• Baltimore Ravens — Company · 2 mentions
• Ohio State Buckeyes — Company · 1 mention · first at 10:49
• BMW — Company · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

0:04 Why do you have a New York hat on? This is Ralph. Yeah, but it still says NY. I mean, I love it, but

0:10 I'm I'm I'm international. It could It could This could say Madrid. You You have You have a good uh new year.

0:17 Had a great new year. I was chilling, man. I'm sorry. I didn't I I was dead by nine o'clock.

0:23 Well, I'll tell you what. It's so good to have rich friends. I was at uh I was all over the place, but I did go I went to I was on a simulator, you know,

0:35 golf LJ has a beautiful simulator at his house and I was thinking about getting a simulator. I'm like, why the why why would I buy a simulator when this guy has spent top dollar

0:46 on his simulator? Because you can play it at home. Yeah. But but here's the thing. I can also play it at his house and I don't need him to be there. Ah, well, in that case, if it's like that, if it's like that. Yeah.

0:57 Yeah. What do you mean if it's like that? I just go. What do you mean? LeBron probably doesn't need a simulator in his house. He could just have an actual golf.

1:04 No, he has to Well, probably. Yeah. Yeah. But the simulator is beautiful. Do you know Remember how you said I have to be more positive in the new year? I I did not start the new year positively because I'm watching which game was it? It's the Indiana game blow out. Thank god I didn't. I was about to say on the show on Wednesday. Indiana's

1:22 I was about to say on the show on Wednesday, you know, I have a sneaking suspicion Alabama can upset,

1:27 but anyway, it's such a blowout that the thing that stuck with me in that game, there was a hair commercial like for men, right? And I don't have any problem with that. But maybe because maybe because I'm a Larry David fan and he's like he he talks the best

1:42 and and he's always making the bald like making an issue of the fact that you know like that's some people shave their heads bald. They're not actually bald. Other people are not bald by choice. All that kind of stuff.

1:53 Jakus did that. Yeah. Yeah. I thought Jakus was [clears throat] Yeah. Right. No, he just shaved his head. Yeah.

1:59 It's crazy. But but this commercial comes on it and infuriated me on behalf of bald people. I got infuriated. This they have this really like Nordic looking dude, right, with you know the big head of hair. And he what did he say? He said something like your hair is a reflection of what's happening with you on the inside or something like that. I thought what is he? It's not

2:23 your hair. Yeah. Like cuz they're trying to sell their hair. He's saying like the follics,

2:28 the follicles, but he's they're trying to sell their hair product. And really what they're doing is some [ __ ] at like an ad agency sat there and went, "You know what? What if we told them that there's something wrong with them on the inside if they're bald?" Like the balding reflects some kind of moral sin or some kind of like bad thing about them.

2:51 What was that movie? What kind of a dick comes up with that? Do you think bald people don't feel bad enough about it?

2:58 You can't just say, "Hey, here's some stuff. You can regrow your hair." You have to tell them that there's something wrong with them on the inside.

3:03 That reminds me of that movie that Eddie Murphy was in when he was Didn't he date a girl or or he was a chief executive at like a ad agency?

3:13 He's talking about when you took off the wig. That's That's I'm going to get you sucker.

3:16 No, no, no, no, no. This is Boomerang. I think it's Boomerang. I think when when he Is it Boomerang?

3:22 I'm forgetting. Well, he was he was working at a company. Okay. He talked about this and he was a an executive, right? He was an executive and people were like

3:32 didn't really like the movie because it showed black people in these roles as like he was an actual executive.

3:39 No, because No, it wasn't a black movie, quote unquote. It was like regular people, but the people who filled the positions or professionals were black.

3:48 But in that I think it was was it Grace Jones? It was some type of uh fragrance that was a marketing campaign.

3:56 Oh yeah, man. I saw Boomerang once in the Boomerang, right? Maybe this is going back. That was good. That was that was a really good

4:03 Everyone says that, but I only saw it once. I saw Distinguished Gentlemen like two or three times. I only saw Boomerang once.

4:08 Yeah, that I thought that was that Boomerang was a good movie. But but the marketing campaign was what I was referring to. Like sometimes you

4:15 what? All I could think of. I don't know why that made like I I just you know life is hard enough for bald people. You got to make them feel like it's something wrong. And why am I the only person that realiz is hair really that important?

4:29 Like cuz I tell you something. When I was a kid, Montel Williams was the man. Mhm.

4:36 He had a bald head. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Bald head. When your guy held on too long, it didn't look right. You just got to take it off. Listen, Tupac.

4:47 Yeah. Had a bald head. I don't think Tupac Tupac was bald. I think he just he he

4:51 Dude, I had a baldy. That was a style. I had a baldy when I was like 20 years old.

4:55 You know what? I had a baldy one time. I cut my hair bald. I didn't like I went back to my 360s.

5:00 I loved it. No one around me liked it, but I loved it. You get out of the shower, you're dry already. You know what I mean? Like everything's

5:07 Yeah. But what look you roll out of bed and go. But what look you going for? I mean, that was a style back then. For who?

5:14 I mean, if you grew up in New York, trying to be Benny Hill, if you grew up in New York and and you know, like that was you had the either the Tims or or the Uptown, the Air Force ones.

5:24 You wanted to be a New York. You wanted to be an Onyx. That's what you wanted to do. You wanted to be, but it was a look. [gasps]

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6:01 Call 1888789-777 or visit ccpg.org/hat. org/hatin Connecticut. Rich, I'm I'm sorry about Ohio State. I'm sorry.

6:20 Is this how we're going to start the show? Listen, that's what happened. You know,

6:25 you know what? I'm still mourning, man. Are you I think you have to I Did you think you were going to defend the title?

6:33 Yes. What? What do you mean? Did I think I don't see the problem I have is I'm sitting there and it really

6:41 when the Buckeyes or the Browns lose, I'm really not a nice guy the next day. It really bothers me.

6:48 What percentage of your quality of life would you say when your team loses? Does your overall quality of life decrease?

6:56 5% 10% 25 what is it? It depends on the game. Like if we lose, if the Buckeyes lose the first game of the season, 5%. I'm I'm [clears throat] up. I'm I'm a No.

7:07 No. I mean, when your team gets eliminated, the Buckeyes being eliminated plus the rain in LA, I can't play golf,

7:16 right? And my Buckeyes are out. This is quite a life you've carved out for yourself.

7:21 50%. Quite a life you've carved out for yourself. No, 50%. Reigns in LA. You can't play golf. looking for answers.

7:27 The team that won the championship didn't defend it. They only got to the playoff.

7:30 I'm looking for answers. That's why I'm dressed like Inspector Gadget today because

7:34 you got the whole Bear theme this whole week. I told you I'm going bear all week. See, you don't know what it's like to be a low life. And I'm not talking about like an idiot. I'm talking about a low life. I'm a low life. But the platform I the the industry I work in don't really value,

7:49 you know. So now we have a stage I can I can go in my closet and bring my take all your polo stuff out.

7:54 Not just polo. See, when you're trying to build a wardrobe, you build a wardrobe timeless. And I tell my guys this all the time. You don't need a thousand thousand hoodies. Let's build a real timeless

8:06 the pieces. Yeah. Things that never, you know, and it don't have to cost you 2500 all the time. Like you, you know, look, I can shop at the highest of the highest or I can and I can mix that in with I'll still go to TJ Maxx. I'll go to Ross. I go to a thrift store and find something. Well, I won't go, but I

8:29 actually actually I take that back. I still go to the thrift store my staff. Here's the thing. If I'm depending on who I'm with, I don't send no staff. No, it depends on who I'm with.

8:38 Uhhuh. But, you know, I don't mind going sifting through things to find You see what you're doing, right?

8:45 The right piece. You see what you're doing? What am I doing? You're trying to avoid talking about the game.

8:49 I know because I'm screwed, man. It's like here's what I thought. Let me tell you something. I told you. But to my credit, I said I don't know, Max, because Miamiy's defense, I did say that. So go back.

9:00 Miamiy's defense, they So Miami had a defense, an efficient quarterback, and a power run game. That's complimentary football. That's the way they used to draw it up, right? Line of scrimmage, especially on the defensive side, quarterbacks not making mistakes, run the ball. Um, but so like that's like kind of the what happened if describing it in terms of football stuff. But the bigger picture was Rich, and we talked about this last show with Ben Simmons. You talked about like Ben Simmons Mountain was not like some people their mountain top is getting to the league.

9:33 Some people their mountain top is getting to the league, getting to that second contract, the max contract if they're a a top player

9:38 or two or three or right. But I'm saying like what is your mountaintop? When do you get full? And some people when I told you that Derek Jeter story, what have you what do you not have that you still want? And he had five rings. So, I'm thinking maybe he'll say MVP. He said a sixth ring. Derek Jeter's mountain top is infinite. He wants

9:56 You're saying my Buckeyes mismanaged? I'm saying your Buckeyes were a little bit full. A little bit. Now, I'm not I I don't want to take any credit away from those. They're young guys. They They played hard. But, I mean, it's like it's like the Eye of the Tiger thing from Rocky 3, right?

10:12 Miami, that was the difference between thinking you want it and needing it. Miami played like they needed.

10:20 Miami's Look, when Jeremiah Smith made the comments, he said, "Had Miami been on the track that they're on now before, he might have gone there."

10:32 Right? To me, that's eyeopening. And to me, it says that Crystal Ball understands the assignment and he also has read the room. and this is taking a step in the right direction, beating a team like the defending champ, Ohio State Buckeyes. And I just felt like those those kids on the on the defense and even on the offense, man, when I look at those plays, I mean, everybody from Fletcher and by the way, Carson Beck,

11:04 yes, man, was phenomenal. Be and but he's also experienced. See, when he left Georgia, people was like, why would he leave a program like that? blah blah blah. Now look, you know, and I I just thought that team was really ready to play, but but but ultimately the 23 days off hurt us. The 23 days off really hurt us. I don't like the 23 days off. Now I know how you

11:26 That's twice. That's twice [clears throat] it's hurt us. You the football fan, us, you know, day of morning, all that stuff. But then there's Rich Paul businessman and you run a

11:36 I'm always that. And and when you run an agency, you are, I'm sure, looking at prospects in a game. How many prospects do you think played in that game?

11:46 Which game? Ohio State and Miami. Oh god. Cuz those are two programs where you hear your team drafting a guy for happy.

11:54 First of all, let's just go on the defensive end. We'll start with Miami. Mhm. They have a freshman corner, I believe, that's going to be a pro.

12:02 Yep. The ends were incredible. Incredible. Bane and and and the other guy was I mean incredible. I wrote these things down but I'm trying not to look at my phone because I

12:15 when I freestyle I try not to look at my bars open a little bit. Then there was a kid number eight.

12:23 He was bringing the heat on the defensive end. The whole they were swarming. They was flying across the field

12:30 and Ray Lewis is on the sideline which gives you even I mean if Ray Lewis is on the sideline you you have to bring it. Yeah.

12:36 On the defensive end, greatest middle linebacker ever. Ohio State's defense. I mean, McDonald, he's the new McDonald is the new Vince Wilfork.

12:48 I'm telling you, high priest. I'm telling you, he's he's he's the new Will fork. Arll Reese, he's he's the next he's Micah M.

12:59 He might go one overall. He depend on what the need. And then you got Styles and who I believe is one of the smartest defensive players in college football.

13:10 You're talking about first round picks. I haven't even mentioned downs yet, right?

13:13 These are Yes. Yes. These are all real real. They got guys on offense who aren't even going to come out yet like Ohio State does.

13:19 And I just You know what? We got to change that rule. Which one? The in football, number one, it's such a high contact sport. The fact that first of all, you have Tate.

13:33 Yeah. Who who probably is the best wide receiver in the nation right now. If if he's even the best wide receiver on his own team.

13:42 Yeah. But he's eligible to go out. The best who can come out. But Jeremiah Smith, hey, an embarrassment of riches for me because

13:53 that's why college football has retained a bigger audience than college basketball because you're going to get to see Jeremiah Smith, you know, over the course of

14:00 And I understand why the rule is and with NIL now they get paid. It's not like they're going to wind up not making money.

14:05 Yes. But here's what I'm saying. I understand why the rule is I don't want to get the listeners confused. I get it because it's such a high contact sport. You can't just rush into the NFL,

14:16 right? But there's an exception, I believe, to every rule. And there's sometimes guys come around like Jeremiah Smith, and it always tends to happen at Ohio State. It happened before with a guy named Maurice Caret Clarrett years ago, but Jeremiah Smith, okay, I get it. We should have like two years and an option or something. And and there should be like a rule where if you get the majority of votes from the NFL that this guy is able to come out.

14:46 That's interesting. Now you have a whole other event. You could televise that like a draft almost

14:51 because like if Jeremiah, by the way, if Jeremiah Smith was able to come out this year,

14:57 he might go number one overall, right? Cuz if the Giants, your Giants gets the number one pick,

15:04 they have Jackson Dart. Well, they won't get it, but but if they did or just say just say a team that had a quarterback already and then you have a receiver like in your Giants have Malik and a running back and you know

15:20 if you're able to get Jeremiah Smith now you have two two a receivers. Now you might get Tate too. So that'll be just as good. But I'm just saying

15:28 I don't know if it'll be just as good. I think it'll be as good. I think I think Carell Tate's going to be really good now.

15:34 I think he'll be good. Jeremiah Smith. It's a little different. Listen, I I think everyone knows that. But what I'm saying, what does he have?

15:40 You can't be too Don't get too cute, okay? Because you got to take what you can get. Yeah.

15:45 But what I'm saying is, especially when they win, we got to have like a two plus one for the for guys like a Jeremiah Smith.

15:52 I love that. I love it. And you could turn it into a televised event as you count the votes. And like why wouldn't the NFL would love that? And it wouldn't even destroy college football because it's only going to be a couple of guys

16:03 because even as a Buckeye fan, I won't be greedy. First of all, we got the guys come from South Florida right before the Hurricanes got good. Thank God.

16:14 Secondly, we already won one national championship. Thank God. Again, I'm not going to be greedy.

16:20 And at least it was greedy um for I mean for Ohio State fans. So the other the other playoff games in college football, I thought like halfway through the last game last night, which turned out to be a classic, I thought I was going to come out here today and be like, well, it wasn't scintillating, but it was defense carried the day, right? Because Oregon, it was defense, they pitch a shut out. Um Miami, it was really the defense that that won that game. and even Indiana where everyone's going to focus on the offense because of Mendoza and they were rolling offensively but their defense was stifling. Right.

16:58 Did you think Did you think that we'd be sitting here today and Georgia and Ohio State and Alabama would be out?

17:06 I had a sneaking suspicion Alabama would pull off an upset and Georgia and Ohio State would win.

17:12 But is but let me ask you I didn't say anything. Is this good for college football? Because is the college football playoff paying off

17:21 in a manner of I just named three upsets, not just not all the talk about those storied franchises that usually

17:31 you know once upon a time that was Miami but it hasn't been Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State of college football

17:40 and Indiana which is a basketball program you know you think Indiana you think Hooers just Like I'm going tell you something.

17:46 I kind of like the world better though when like UCLA is basketball, USC is football.

17:51 No, but we have to I don't know. I'm just I'm like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.

17:54 I'm like I'm like a Dana Carvey on SNL. But you But you used to do a character called the grumpy old man.

18:00 Basketball is is is trying to turn around. It is. But I like things the way they used to be.

18:05 But you know what this is about? Huh? This all goes back to Nick Sabin. Okay. Nick Sabin.

18:13 Oh yeah. the coaching tree last night. Bananas Papovic of college football. Bananas.

18:17 He is bananas. And you know where Nick Sabin coached for my Browns. That's right.

18:22 With Bill Bich. It's amazing cuz NIL comes everything changes. Nick Sabin's gone. Soon as you turn around NIL's here, Nick Sabin's gone.

18:29 Well, if you notice, but his whole coaching tree is dominating the top. How smart are Nick Sabin and [clears throat] Coach K? They said, "You know what?" And this is an issue. When it gets to a point in a business where you can't distinguish good from great, it's probably in trouble at that point,

18:51 right? And NIL, they're paying guys who are good as they're great. Yeah. It it takes that away. So, if I'm Nick Sabin, I do the same thing. But

19:00 but he looks a lot better because of the coaching tree. What he left behind. Yeah. All those guys from Kein to Crystal Ball to um uh kind of every coach yesterday.

19:13 Yeah. The other one, Signetti, everybody. All of them. Yeah, that's that's that's impressive.

19:19 Um but so so anyway, so halfway through the the last game of the night, I'm thinking, no, that's a classic. That was a classic. Old Miss and George is a classic, but I'm thinking, okay, it's staying with the theme because Georgia's defense is the difference in the game. I actually thought Miss outplayed him in the first half except Georgia's defense came away with two takeaways. Georgia is gonna win. Here they go. They're going to start rolling. And it went from, hey, the theme of the day is defense. None of the games were great. To, oh my god, that is an instant classic last night.

19:49 And I thought, speaking of coaches, Golding, you know, when Keifin's gone, Golding is there on fourth and three around midfield. a little bit a little bit into uh Georgia territory, but not only does he go for it, they come up with 36 yards and I thought that was the that like that flipped the game. That play flipped the game to me.

20:14 You have to be willing to make to take those risks. And then at the end, the fact that they called a safety and I know it's like what are the odds that they're going to be able to lateral the ball 50,000 times and score? It's like zero, right? But I remember as a Giants fan in ' 07 when the Giants are about to beat the greatest team ever, undefeated Patriots.

20:32 Everything have to go back to the Giants. Same reason it goes back to the Browns with you.

20:35 That was 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. So, but you don't you don't get to do that.

20:40 Well, I'm doing it right now. You have a Super Bowl. Yeah. Two, right? So, I get two of those two of those. But the point is

20:48 at the end of that game, people forget this. The Giants had this incredible win. Brady had two shots down the field at Randy Moss. And as a Giants fan, my heart was in my throat like, "Oh my god, they're gonna actually who was who was guarding Randy Moss?"

21:01 I don't I mean like nobody ever top like cuz he's streaking down the sideline and Brady's throwing and throw two bombs. And my point is not that that play was as as likely as as a pass from Brady to Moss, but I know if you're an Old Miss fan, you're thinking, "Oh man, here it comes." just like this would be the craziest ending to a game ever.

21:23 That bothered me. What did that the Giants won that Super Bowl? Because Moss didn't.

21:30 Yeah. No, it didn't bother me. It was the greatest sports moment of my life probably.

21:34 I know. For all you Giants fan, I have a lot of friends that's Giants fans from New York.

21:39 Trinidad Chamblas, man. [sighs and gasps] Player. Yeah, player. But see, but see, even though Lane Keifin left, the culture didn't leave.

21:52 Okay. The confidence from the coach to the players, those kids still believe. No one's checked out.

21:58 Mhm. Everyone's locked in. That says a lot. Even the fact that Kein left, like that's a college football rules problem. That's not like if you have certain dates at which certain people will be available where you have like why? Of course he's of course the coaches are going to leave. coach just said this. Um, was it Oregon's coach?

22:20 Who who [clears throat] said what? Exactly what you just said. He said we should not we should roll right into the college playoffs,

22:27 right? And then and the last game should be January 1st and then you don't have all these issues with the coaches.

22:33 Of course. Of course. Like everyone got mad at Lane Keifin when he is if you set up the rules to a game, people will exploit them. It's no different than these rid like when the NBA came up with the gather step and then you can take two steps. The result is this ridiculous stuff where guys are driving to the basket taking hopping back three steps and claiming it's legal. They'll exploit the rules.

22:54 Yes. But Lane Kein hit the lottery. We cannot expect him to walk around with the ticket in his pocket.

23:01 Of course to cash it. Of course. And I don't think anybody that plays the lottery when your number comes out, you're going to cash that.

23:09 Yeah. I got the mega millions, but I'm just going to wait. I'm going to wait around.

23:11 Like, what are you talking about? The point is incentives shape behavior. And if the incentives of a game are set up a certain way, then guess what? Guys will try to draw walks, even though that wasn't the point of balls and strikes. Guys will try to draw fouls even drawing fouls in the NBA all the time.

23:26 And people will exploit this the rules of the game for their own benefit. Of course. Of course. Like I don't know why anyone was mad at Lane Kein.

23:34 Can't be mad at Lane Kein. But hate the player. Don't hate the game. But again,

23:38 excuse me, that's a Freudian slip. Reverse that. Go ahead. Hate the game. Don't hate the player. Yes.

23:45 But I'm not so sure that the soil isn't still rich at Miss. It is obviously. Yeah. So

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25:07 Panthers Raven Steelers. I'm Raven Ste. Me too. That's the number one game. That's the number one all day long. So, we can start there because Panthers Bucks neither one of those teams has a shot to win the Super Bowl. I don't care what happens. I don't care. Like people are making it like it's a I I mean, if you if you live in Tampa, you live in Carolina. Okay, I get it. But otherwise, come on. Let's not kid ourselves.

25:26 You see, I have to look at this. This is my setup. Even though Ravens Steelers might not win either, but that's a traditional rivalry that's different than Panthers.

25:35 Raven Steelers might not win the Super Bowl. You're saying I'm not worried about Forget that.

25:39 Lamar Jackson healthy. They have a shot. We have to go week by and they'll get Metaf back.

25:43 We have to go week by week. Ravens Steelers. Yeah. Sunday. Yeah. Okay. Now, what time they play?

25:50 Uh I don't know. What is that? What What time is that game? Gemini. Oh, we don't have Gemini.

25:55 Yeah, we don't have Gemini. It's a night game. Of course. Of course. Of course. Great. It's a night game.

25:59 Yeah. So that that is great for me because here's my Sunday. I have to wake up. I have to do a core workout.

26:08 Pilates. What do you do? Pilates. That's what I do. I got herniated discs or had got to do Pilates. Great core workout.

26:15 I've done hot Pilates sometimes, but I do like a core circuit. But So, you got the little

26:20 I've been asked to go to Pilates, but really quick. So then I had to do that. If it's nice out, I make him get me around a nine in. All right.

26:28 Calls. Okay. Have to call and I check the NBA schedule because now we're getting into that space where NBA is on every weekend.

26:37 Mhm. I probably will only watch watch one football game this this Sunday. I'll skim over the the the the When does the 49ers and Seahawks play? Sunday.

26:49 You're asking me for times. Here's my here's my Sunday. I'll just tell like how that you went through your I'm going to wake up. I'm going to turn on the TV. I'm going to keep it on football all day long. That's all. Those that's my Sunday plans.

27:02 Yeah, that's it. But see, yeah, I can I can I I used to could do that, but when the NBA is on,

27:09 I know it gets tough. I have to watch NBA and and then also we're at that time where

27:14 when you me and Simmons are texting, it's you guys always have like all of a sudden I'll get a text from Simmons about something that's happened in the NBA in the middle of like a big NFL game. Yeah, because you got to have I

27:24 know you guys have 50 different TVs on and you have to have TV on and then other TV on.

27:29 I try to follow stuff on my phone, but I'm watching my big screen the game that I'm watching. I like

27:33 Do you watch it on YouTube TV? Yeah. Or and and Prime because I I need, you know,

27:38 Yeah. to get the NBA and NFL. Okay. But then what about Damn, I have to go to Leora for brunch, too. So, I got to fit that all in.

27:46 Got to fit it all in. You're going to have to be, you know, checking. Whoa. I don't even play pause, but I'm just saying we got to be careful when we say these type of things. I don't

27:53 I'm not I only only do that on other people's platforms, but I just know that they're watching and I don't want because you got to understand something.

28:03 Every now and then I get a call. Yeah. From Mason Cam, right? So, I just want to be careful when we say stuff. So,

28:13 that's a great That's They have a great show. They got a great show. They have a great show.

28:16 They have a great show. I don't want to say that too loud. Why? Because I mean, no lunch, no nothing. These guys, they It's all good. It's all good.

28:28 Listen. Anyway, the the So, you we could start with Ravens Steelers. Let me tell you something. This could be like the witch coach stays bowl because you know there's buzz that either Harball that that Harball and Tomlin maybe are getting a little st Okay, let me start by saying if it's me and I'm the Ravens, I'm not letting Harball go anywhere. I'm obviously not going to let Mike Tomlin go anywhere from the Steelers. Let me ask you a question. However,

28:55 if you fire I'm not the Ravens or Steelers. Just let me ask you this question. If you fire Mike Tomlin andor Harbaugh, who are you hiring? Uh the you're preaching to the choir. I get

29:06 you say who says no? Who says no? Who are you hiring? Better than those guys for those franchises.

29:12 I will wait. But the re So so there's a lot on the line here. And you know when the Jets 3, four years ago were looking for a quarterback. Everyone was like, "Oh, you got to give up all this draft capital for Rogers." And I was doing a show called This Just In at the time on ESPN. And and I remember saying at the time like Rogers, he's 100 years old. He's not as good as he used to be. You have to give up all this stuff for Rogers. Lamar Jackson's having a contract dispute basically with the Ravens. He's young. He You have a young nucleus on the Jets and you can grow together. Why would you target Rogers instead of Lamar Jackson, right?

29:52 And Lamar Jackson's won the MVP since then and everything and another one. And now these two guys, cuz Lamar's going to play, are facing each other maybe, whether rightly or wrongly, Rich, maybe with their coach's futures on the line. Could be,

30:07 you know, but it could be whether we like it or not. Okay. Could let's just say could be. I don't think so, but whatever. But going back to your point about the Jets,

30:17 you can't be upset about the Jets not going after Lamar because sometimes this happens, especially in free agency.

30:23 Okay. Sometimes a guy like Lamar Jackson, right, he's a free agent kind of, but not kind of.

30:29 He ain't really going to go, right? Not even so much as that, will Baltimore really allow him to get away from them? doing those type of deals are the hardest deals to do because you would think like oh uh that's why they put it in free agency it's like

30:47 well um you have a restricted in restricted free agency they give you a certain amount of time and most of these guys that become restricted are top picks etc but they never get an offer sheet offer sheets are so hard to get in the NBA because the other team is not trying to waste his time. So, you have to look at, okay, where their salary is. You got to look at, you know, their their spending. Uh,

31:18 in the case of Lamar, though, that was that was getting coming to a head. Yeah. Now, now in

31:22 if I'm the Jets, I'm at least going to try to throw a line out, see what happens.

31:25 Here's the thing. In football, it may be different. in basketball. I'm just saying to get an offer sheet during free agency for a talent of the level of a Lamar Jackson is come few and far in between.

31:38 I mean, they did it to Jeremy Lynn when he was like, if you're in New York, you didn't want to let him walk away.

31:43 Talent of Lamar Jackson. Yeah. So, so I'm looking at this game. The Steelers won't have Metaf because of the injury.

31:49 That sucks. Gainwell is actually Rogers best receiver. I mean, sorry, because of the suspension. Twoame suspension, pardon me. Two game suspension. Gainwell's actually Rogers best receiver out of the back field.

32:00 It's gonna be all about the defense. Steelers, it ain't MVS. If the if the Steelers defense, it's all about the defense. Don't even I know they have Rogers. I know the Metaf situation game. Well, but at the end of the day, this game for the Steelers is about their defense.

32:17 I don't know. I think I think it's I agree. I agree. It is about the defense, but not the way maybe people think. Like if you look at Tomlin who's never had a losing season and that goes through eras where he didn't have a quarterback when he didn't have a defense like this idea I think there's this idea of Tomlin he's kind of put in a box of a rahrh coach. Oh, he's the best RAR coach, right?

32:39 There's no RAR, but Well, there is there is like he's very much a a coach that you would run a through a brick wall for. Like you could see it when he's at the podium, right? But

32:47 I call that like he's like a motivator. He's somebody. That's what I mean. Like Rah is like you ra to me is like you're you ra because your coaching skill set isn't that great. But I think there is a perception of Tomlin that that there's something like that going on and he hold on who

33:08 this is Tyron Lou. Let me make sure Ronnie Lou I'm shooting my show. You want to do lunch? I'm almost done. I just wanted to make sure you wasn't calling me with any important information back.

33:21 He's won six in a row. Six in a row. It's looking pretty good right now. I know you. What you mean? Why you

33:27 can score 40 every game? Tell Max what? Tell Max way to have my back cuz I know Rich don't.

33:33 That's a lot. That's not No. WHY DO YOU TREAT ME LIKE You know what? Goodbye, man. Goodbye. Goodbye.

33:39 Listen. First of all, I never thought this the Clippers the way they were looking early was going to roll. We're going to roll this subject. Steelers.

33:48 Kawawaii is going crazy. But I don't like Ty treat me like that, but he always Okay. Wait. So, hold on. So, so Tomlin, I'm saying I'm not saying that I think this about him. I'm saying I think he's put in that box by there's a perception of him that the way he wins games is by motivating the players. What I'm saying is there's no way a guy who has overseen who's been the coach for all this time at times where you're an offensive team with no defense at times where you're a defensive team with no offense at times where you have some of both like

34:17 which goes back to my point you cannot fire this guy but go ahead. Okay. Right. So, but if their job, one of their jobs is on the line here, think about where Tomlin is right now where last week against the Browns, the game plan was clearly don't let Miles Garrett get to Aaron Rodgers,

34:34 right? It was clear. I don't know if that was the overall that was part of the game plan.

34:37 If I am game planning for the Browns, that's I think that's a very good idea. Miles Garrett acted like someone was trying to stop him from getting the sack record.

34:46 But yes, you are trying to stop one of the best pass rushers who ever lived from getting to your ancient quarterback, who by the way looks like he doesn't like to get hit anymore. Like, let's be honest.

34:56 I would like to get hit by Miles Garrett. You're 40 years old. Bump into Miles Garrett just like walking down a sidewalk. I wouldn't even Don't at Listen, Miles,

35:06 don't even bump me. Yeah. Don't do anything. But when I see Miles, I'm like, "Miles, what's up, bro?" Good. Cuz if even if he shakes your hand, like somebody like myself,

35:18 No, cuz I told you what happened when Bo Jackson shook my hand that one time. Oh, yeah.

35:21 So, it's like you ever see the Flintstone old Flintstones things where Bam Bam would shake someone's hand and pick them up off the ground.

35:27 That's what Miles Garrett shaking your hand. Rich Paul's going up off the ground.

35:30 To be that big of a guy with that agility, crazy. is I mean this guy is so it's a good idea for Tomlin to try to stop him. Now going into this game, what is could but but in winning the battle, he lost the war. Now I have a sneaking suspicion. So So you can overthink things and it's pretty basic. Stop Miles Garrett from killing Aaron Rogers. Okay, you did that. You did that, but you lost.

35:59 That would help you that that will help you at least have a better offensive efficiency rating. That's for sure.

36:05 So in this game, what's the story? Lamar is compromised, right? And in the playoffs anyway, they're like, "We'll make Lamar beat you." And the and the conventional wisdom would be stop who on the Ravens. What's convent Derk Henry? Stop Derk Henry.

36:22 So if I'm Harbaugh, I am planning to counter Tomlin's moves to stop Derrick Henry. Hold on. To stop Derk Henry. Right. What I'm saying is Tomlin just learned the lesson that you can win the battle and lose the war. I wonder if he's not putting a wrinkle in his game plan right now that he doesn't need to win that battle. He can lose that battle with Derrick Henry and still win the war. I know Lamar's compromised. You want him to try to beat you anyway in the playoffs. He hasn't done great. Derrick Henry's a juggernaut. I get all that. But like I give Tomlin more credit than just being a motivator of guys.

37:04 Well, listen, I don't know. I don't know if it's a wrinkle. I think you just have to prepare your defense to go out and win a ball game. But the question I was going to ask you is how many touches should Derrick Henry get in this game?

37:21 Infinity. Like they need So you said cuz you know back in the day a guy would have 36 carries. Jerome Bettis would have 36.

37:31 And Dererick Henry is not just a great running back, he's a clutch running back. Like we have seen Derrick Henry through a playoff series put up record-breaking numbers even when everybody knew here's what's coming. Let's try to stop it and they couldn't stop it. Right. We've seen him do that. So you're going to feed Derk Henry obviously. Right. Obviously.

37:52 Well, so who do you have winning? I gotta put you on the spot. I should take because no Metaf I should take Baltimore. I just feel like now we're this is this is the playoffs starting now for these teams because there is no playoffs for the loser. So So these teams both know what's ahead of them. We need to win five games to win the Super Bowl. And so the way your guy LeBron's LeBron

38:19 who do you have winning? I'm answering LeBron. LeBron has nothing to do. You'll see. No, he does not.

38:25 LeBron, we can't keep going back to LeBron. He has nothing to do. He doesn't play defense in the regular season.

38:30 That's not true. Because listen, hold up. Wait a minute. Because he's saving his defense for high leverage moments, right? So in if the game's on the line, he'll play defense. In the playoffs, he'll play defense and high leverage moments. But he's 41 years old.

38:45 You know what? He can't score 20 and play defense. That's a fair point. Cuz I I get on him about not boxing out.

38:51 Come on. Not playing. But that's But I've always got And by the way, but that's smart of him because by the way, you can't do everything. Keith Dan Brock would also do the same thing. So, he knows what he's doing. But, but what I'm saying is Aaron Rogers is in that category. He's 40 plus years old.

39:08 Why does it have to take you so long to say who do you have winning? Oh, the answer is the Pittsburgh Steelers.

39:12 You're no longer on Steelers TV. Get to the point. The answer is the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm

39:19 Pittsburgh Steelers. So, we can move on. You got the Steelers. I like to reveal.

39:22 No, we don't have to do that. Pick the Steelers. And the reason is I think Aaron Rodgers at his age has five games ahead of him where he knows as much as he didn't like to get hit in the regular season, his old bones and all.

39:36 Why do people care about that? You picked the Steelers. He is going to do the best version of Aaron Rodgers here on out. And I think he and Mike Tomlin can make a run if they win this game. And I think they will. Even though Baltimore should be favored here.

39:51 It took you 15 minutes to say the Steelers Um, what about Niners? And we need to bring our whiteboard back.

40:00 I like the whiteboard. Yeah, me too. I don't know who who whose decision was it to take our whiteboard away. And you know who else? I think

40:07 No, it wasn't. You know, I think you said you didn't like doing it in the beginning.

40:10 I did not say that. You know who else likes the whiteboard? The people. All right,

40:14 we need to bring it back. Bring the white whiteboard back. Yeah. Um, Niner Seahawks is the only other game I'm really interested in this weekend because

40:27 both can win the Super Bowl if they get there. I think the I don't think the Niners can with that defense.

40:32 But here's what I'm saying. If they had their defensive guys, if they had both like if they had their guys. Yeah.

40:36 I'm not If this was a if this was a battery, right, 100% means they can definitely win the Super Bowl charged fully charged. I think both for the Seahawks and the niners is probably like 20% charged and it could be 40% if for the Seahawks if Darnold plays.

40:54 That's the So that's what I was getting. Consistently. Darnold is the key to the Seahawks. They have a Super Bowl roster. They have a coach I think that can win the Super Bowl.

41:02 Well, they [clears throat] have a really good defense. They have an excellent defense, but they have an offense, too. They have a quarterback who is boom or bust. Boom or bust quarterback.

41:12 I'm sorry. What's that? I I just said his name wrong, but another Ohio State Buckeye.

41:19 But but but but JSN, but yeah, for sure. But uh boom bust quarterback means he must boom in and he has no more chances to bust, right? Like, okay, this game, this game he doesn't have to be perfect because they're in the playoffs anyway. It's a matter of season.

41:36 He has to play well for consecutive weeks, not just one or two, though. I know. I said consecutive. And it it's not a bad idea to play well.

41:48 He hasn't done that all season. He has not strung even three games together where it's like, "Oh, that's good."

41:54 I want to see you under center on an NFL Sunday. Crazy. Because you get up here and act like this stuff is just easy to do. Oh, he hasn't done well. I want to see you under center.

42:07 Hell no. Okay. By the way, Dan Orlovski ran out of the end zone as a as a professional quarterback and is like the best analyst on TV like like you know.

42:16 You know what, Dan? That was smart because I like because I like listening to Dan.

42:21 Yeah. And he ran out of the end zone. He's a smart guy. And he might not be as smart as WHAT'S THAT GOT TO DO WITH WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT FOOTBALL?

42:28 SO, who do you have? Steelers or Seahawks? Uh, you mean Seahawks or Niners? I'm sorry. Seahawks or Niners? I'm going to take the Niners in this game.

42:39 Okay. I'm going to take them in this game. Who do you have? I'm going Seahawks.

42:44 What about Pittsburgh and Baltimore? Browns. Pittsburgh or Baltimore? Who's going to win?

42:50 Browns. Yeah. Um what else? What else we That's the only the only other thing from the from the NFL weekend is I'm curious as to whether um McVey plays guys because they don't need to win the game technically. It doesn't really do anything for them. The Rams, but the Rams and you and I have been to some Rams games this year in your box and and living room, right? Right. The living room away from home and box

43:18 is great. I ain't going to front. It is. And your sweet and box is fantastic. I wish the Super Bowl was in LA every year.

43:24 We see we we could see like you could see from the beginning when they beat the Texans when they beat they had a bunch of big wins huge on third down their defense. Matthew Stafford's balling out the whole thing but not just because they lost last week. I mean that could happen in the NFL. They've been kind of trending down and if I'm if I'm McVey I need to I want to get my guys back in the swing of things before the playoffs.

43:47 I think yeah that's that's important. But I will give you a pick. I think the Ravens win on Sunday. I got Ravens Seahawks. You have Steelers, Niners. Niners. Yeah. Okay. So, we'll

43:56 on Monday we'll recap. Seahawks should win, but I just have a feeling about that. Brock P.

44:01 No, you made your pick. Brock Pie's been great. We were talking about Tomlin and and

44:07 he's not being fired, so forget about it. And both those guys are big culture guys. And you sent me a clip uh from what was that? Tik Tok. I don't get T I don't have Tik Tok. So, it must have been an an IG clip, right?

44:21 Yeah. Of Sarkc talking about culture and you wanted to talk about culture because like Harbaugh and Tomlin certainly culture guys, right?

44:29 Yeah. Well, I didn't necessarily want to talk about culture. I just thought it was an important topic that he was he was focused on.

44:35 What was it about what he said that you like? Because the thing about it was he's he's basically saying it can't be an advertisement. It has to actually be a seed planted in this in the in the in the foundation of of of whether it's a university or whether it's organization etc. And I agree with that. I think before anything like you can remember when the Warriors had strengthened numbers

45:03 that mattered and that was real. And when you talk about um the old miss coach and that decision that he made Golden to go

45:13 on fourth and three and they got 36 yards instead. Those type of decisions in my opinion goes back to your culture.

45:22 When when they decided to not no longer start David Lee and started Andre Godala that goes to your culture that led to a championship. When

45:33 how does that build a culture? Well, your culture when you're when you have a culture set, right? When when Papovic decided to bring Ginobi off the bench, we all know he could have started anywhere. Those guys because of the culture, they don't lash out. They don't make it about themselves. They don't make it they make it about the team. And that has everything to do with the culture that you have in place that hey we are here as a team to win. We are here for everybody to do what it takes to win. Everybody to play a role and embrace a role. And when you have that and it's not just a marketing campaign. It's actually that

46:13 not just on a t-shirt, but it's actually you're actually doing when you actually walk in the building and you feel that that says something. And now what that allows you to do, it allows you to take chances. When you look at going back to the Spurs, right? They took a chance. They brought Dennis Rodman into that culture, right? They also brought everyone always talked about taking a chance. People said that before the Bulls got Dennis Robman. What chance are you taking that you're going to be great? Like

46:42 No, but but but back then it was all the antics. It was the wild. I'm just saying

46:47 I wish the Knicks would have taken a chance on Dennis. Yeah, you know. Yeah. But here you go with your New York teams. But but even in in in a situation like um um

46:58 who were we talking about? The the the Oh, they brought Stephen Jackson and he won a championship, right, with with with the Spurs.

47:05 Same thing. You can do that in in in Golden State. You can even do that in an organization like Miami because you get there and yeah, they talk about the body fat and all that, but that's not what's important. What's important is no matter what your jacket says when you come here, it's about the Miami Heat.

47:25 But you know what I think is the key to building that culture, what I look for is will you reinforce your culture

47:32 on everybody on everybody? Number one, and when it's inconvenient to do it, right? like will you do it? There's Teddy Atlas talks about Mike Tyson when he was in uh Catskill when he was a kid coming up in Catskill and there was a time when one of the kids who lived because they all lived in that house with Customato, all the amateur fighters and and not all of them were going to be serious pros. Mike was, but there were other kids like one guy worked at a gas station, right? And there was enough food for everyone to have their their dinner. Mike finished his food. He wanted more and but that was being saved for the kid who worked at the gas station,

48:06 right? and custom motato who talked a big game about about like doing things the right way like you have to put your principles before like what's convenient but he thought Mike was going to be heavyweight champ and he wanted to give Mike what he wanted and he gave in and was like just take take it and so Mike ate the other kids dinner right and those little it's like these small moments where you're weak about in because you didn't enforce the culture when it was inconvenient

48:35 that could that that that could have been a difference in Mike training a certain way when he fought Buster Douglas

48:42 or even or even outside the ring stuff where he got in trouble. The point is when you have a what I look for when you talk about that type of stuff is will the team do something that's in the short term bad for them but they have to like like for example the Lakers culture right now they let Luca just do whatever he wants.

49:01 That's that's that's the example. There's an example, right? Would Pat on a Pat Riley team, would that happen? Spolstra, would you do you think they would treat him that way? Or on the Spurs, would that happen? This guy is just going,

49:14 let's be honest. All right. You also sent me something else I wanted to talk about because I'm just curious what what like

49:24 you were thinking about. What? You I was talking about today's NBA. Yes. You get you sent me a list of five names. You were sending me You were sending me Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

49:34 Steve Francis, Penny Hardaway, Nick Van Axel, Dererick Rose, Gilbert Arenas, Tim Hardaway, too. Forget about Tim Hardaway.

49:40 Tim Hardway. Tim Hard bring up Tim Hardaway. The Knicks went after Chris Childs instead of Tim Hardaway. It killed me.

49:46 No, because you were you were talking about the league. You were sending something and it just

49:51 it just sparked something. But yeah, before we get to that, why isn't Kevin Durant's name in the MVP race?

49:59 Do you see what he's doing? I think that KD I I know what you mean because he's on a team with a great young player and he's making that work in a way that in a I I I see what you mean. And you're not going to get credit for like like there's only x number of points you're going to score. There's one ball. There only so many possessions. So, when there's some sacrifice made by an all-time great in order to make the whole team better, a lot of times their stats will be their counting stats will be a little off.

50:31 Why does the American all-time great Yeah. get penalized for being still being great?

50:40 Why Why is he getting penalized for it though? He's not getting the recognition. He's not like What do you mean? Do you see his numbers?

50:46 Yeah, but what what are his counting numbers right now? What's he averaging? 27.

50:51 Yeah, but it's not like 91% from the free throw line. See, the percentage numbers are going to be

50:55 48. I think he's 46 or 48% from three. Yeah. Crazy. Like come on, man. Like all I'm saying is Kawawaii

51:03 last three for like a week now. Yeah. Like these guy, this is what I'm talking about. These guys come into a league, they give it everything. I mean everything. you would say, "Oh, we're paying them a lot of money and so just at the end of the day, we we we we cannot just skip over what all these guys are doing. Not just I'm talking about all of them. It's to me I just I just I don't

51:35 Okay, if you were to vote right now, would you vote KD as the MVP so far this season? Now, Joic is hurt.

51:40 It would be Jokic. But but but he's hurt. I'm saying but what I'm saying is it I can't even sit here and tell you that oh KD is thinking about winning the MVP.

51:49 I'm not saying that you said I would have his name in the MVP. Yes, I would. I agree his name should be there but ultimately

51:57 if you don't think he's going to win it. It don't matter. You have to recognize like people people I used to go to my grandmother's house when I finally moved out. Not finally. I moved out when I was right away. But the trash comes out on Tuesday and be and every Tuesday I would leave my apartment and I would go and take my grandmother's trash out because I recognize the fact that she's an older lady who's wanted. Yeah.

52:28 In this case, from a basketball perspective, these guys are it's it's admirable. M

52:34 when we just talked about getting to the mountaintop and not recognizing maybe not caring as much as you should so on so forth when a guy do care as much we have to give them the

52:44 that's why I'm saying he made all the money and all that and they still care the reason that KD's counting numbers a lot of people look at counting numbers how many points did he like what's his scoring average or the instead of the percentage numbers

52:59 you KD has sacrificed because he's playing with um uh Uh Sen, what are we saying? Are we saying ShenGun? Because that's how I hear.

53:07 What I'm saying is so those sacrifices will probably cost him MVP votes even though it should be the opposite.

53:13 No, no, it don't cost him MVP. [clears throat] Listen, a guy in reality. I'm saying Rich. Here's what I'm saying. We get to this thing where you feel like a guy have to score 40. I see guys score 40 and guess what? It's a meaningless 40.

53:26 Right. No, no, no. What I'm saying is the reality of who's the most valuable is KD should be there because he's not averaging 35 points because he's doing that cuz he's playing with other good players and he's trying to win.

53:41 All I'm saying is but I'm saying the reality of MVP voters is a lot of people will look at the counting numbers and say, "Well, 27 points, this guy's averaging 33." But it should be the opposite penalized for what he should get. We need to change all this. all NBA voting. We need to change a lot of stuff with that. But nevertheless, we're going to miss these guys when they're gone. That's all I'm saying. But let's get to this list.

54:05 All right. Why did you send me Francis Both Hardaways, Van Exel, Derek Rosen, and and Agent Z?

54:11 Well, because we were talking about where would these guys fare in today's NBA?

54:17 I think they'd all do well. I mean, like they're all they were all pretty good free throw shooters.

54:21 How good was Steve Francis? Insane. God. For a little while, for about three, four, five years.

54:26 Oh, but guess what? And I'mma tell you something. Steve Francis was a star at Maryland. I used to fly home when Maryland was coming on.

54:37 Why did you But why these guys? Why? Because Because I thought those guys I was just thinking about there's so many teams that could use a great point guard right? I thought like in Steve Francis's case, I mean, he had the handle, he had the athleticism, he had the finishing skills.

54:57 I think a lot of these guys will be underrated by history because Well, let me get through. Hold on. Let me get through.

55:03 Yeah, go. Nick Vanexo. Okay. Another guy. All right. Right. Can This is what I'm saying. Nick Vanexo Nick Vanexo today

55:14 averages 28. Mhm. 28 and shoots the three better. Shoots the three. We know what Dick Rose would do getting down. He wasn't too far removed. Gilbert, the reason why I I like Gilbert because we put so much emphasis on the three ball and where you're shooting the three from now. Gilbert was shooting the three from 40 feet out in Doce and Gabbana sneakers. Yeah. You know how crazy you got to be to wear Dolce and Gabbana sneakers in an NBA game? He did it and he was shooting the three from that far out. And then the last one, Penny Hardway. And this is where I

55:53 But that's just injury really. No, no, but I But what what I'm about to say is Penny is on and off the court because Penny as a player, forget about it. We all know what he could do. I mean it was

56:06 there was a time in the NBA he was the best a moment where it looked like if you couldn't have Michael Jordan you wanted Penny Hardway just for a moment it looked that way.

56:17 Yes. Give me Penny Hardway and and he had some of the flyest shoes and commercials. Penny Hardway had really I know people going to get on me for saying this but Penny's brand was incredible.

56:33 Incredible. It was incredible. the the the I think oh my god man Penny because sometimes because it wasn't even about what he was doing it was about what you thought was coming like Penny was still on the way up

56:45 he was going to get better than he was we never really saw the best of him they they asked me a question if there was a player I could represent that I never represent like who would be that dream guy and I said Allen Iverson I'm still saying Allen Iverson because when I think about that I think about who can I build a business with because it's hard to do it with with any player there. The other one is I I have to add Penny Hardway there because Penny Hardway had the opportunity to build I do believe a billion dollar business and I think people get brand and IP and NIL I think they get all that confused you know because

57:24 how many true brands in sports do you think there have been like true brands and what do you

57:31 in sports in sports when I yeah cuz I Look at I want to know how you from a brand perspective through the era where that meant something. There have been brands in sports that were not monetized because of the the I'm talking about a monetization perspective.

57:45 Obviously MJ is number one. Yes. Um Kobe was monetized like and had a real brand. LeBron has a real brand.

57:52 Um NBA guys probably easiest to to do it because they're not playing in a helmet and

57:58 Right. No question. And and because they have more influence on the outcome of a game because there are fewer players on the floor. You can run every play.

58:04 But do you think it's only basketball? You think it's only play driven? No, it's more than play driven, but it's based on the play. It's based on the play. And if they did something,

58:13 how much Steph has a brand? How much of a percentage? Is it based on the play? Yeah.

58:20 Uh over 50% is based on your play. And how much is based on your partner? Okay. I I think less than you're going to say because Steph, the four guys I just mentioned, no almost no matter what would have had huge brands because they did something with the exception of Kobe who just looked like you squinted at that's Michael Jordan, right? So that was already there and he and then it was again we didn't want to let go of it. We didn't have to. But Steph and LeBron both did new things. So, who else changed the game like that that isn't a big brand?

59:05 See, I'm I And that would suggest to me it's not about your partner as much as it is about I mean your your like shoe company that you work with or whatever as much as it is about what you did on the on the court. See, when I think about brand, yes, I think about play, but the most important thing is it's very hard to say my brand if your brand hasn't become a business.

59:31 Mhm. So, that's the way I look at it. We know what Michael's business became. What at at $4 billion business, right? And continuing to grow. LeBron obviously at his at at the height. I think LeBron's business was probably six700 million dollars. I'm talking about annually. Yes.

59:53 And I think this is where kids get it confused. And I think athletes, most athletes get confused.

59:59 99.9% of athletes don't have a business off the court. Don't have a brand. I'm saying their brand is what they perceive as a brand is not a business. You have an endorsement portfolio. But when you have a business, here's how it works. Max Kellerman,

1:00:20 you're the athlete. Okay, I see your potential. I'm paying you to start. I'm going to pay you. Shoe deals are so much different today, but I'm just going to go. I'm going to pay you $3 million today.

1:00:37 Oh, sorry. Go ahead. $3 million today over over four years. Oh, well, if I really believe we can do a business with you, I'm going to pay you that over probably a little bit more, but your first deal be like six or seven years because it takes 18 months for us to put

1:00:53 Should I take it? Should I take this deal? Well, we'll talk about that later. It takes 18 months to put a real strategy together. If if we really believe right then your play, your market, more importantly your character,

1:01:10 your willingness to cooperate. Now your partner does matter because the product matters. So we're only start So to start we're only starting with footwear. You don't you're not getting all this other stuff yet. We got

1:01:27 Iverson Shack. There a couple other brands too. Go ahead. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. But I we I'm talking about business. I don't know what I don't know what

1:01:37 I'm just thinking of of athletes with brands. Yes. AI had a real AI had a real brand.

1:01:42 I don't know what I don't know. AI's business probably was a little bit bigger than than Barkley. Barkley has some of the Barkley probably had the best shoes in all of

1:01:51 and always had a huge personality and you know and then Shaq was a a little bit different because he decided to

1:01:57 don't sell sneakers anyway but well Shaq did Shaq was a big that sold sneakers at least his first the kamicazis but nevertheless so now you get into that part and you have the product right then they decide okay how many um colorways you going to have to start you may only have like eight to 12.

1:02:20 Okay? And then within that 8 to 12, they do what you call like um energy strikes. So in your energy strikes, you make you're going to have a smaller skew of those.

1:02:33 Explain that. What do you mean energy strike? So an energy strike may be I sit with you and you say, "Man, I want the Giants colorway." Right? that goes out that Giants colorway to drive energy, but it's not really a retail colorway that you want to have from a mass. So that's like the taste makers. Yes. It's only but but it's driving influencers. Yeah. It's driving energy. Then you do storytelling around certain things.

1:02:58 So now that goes over well. So they invested so they they invested four million over you know six years. So that's 24 million. Now, in that span of that one year, you did, let's just say you did 80 million.

1:03:13 You got me an extra million a year there. I appreciate that. You did, you did, you did 80 million, right? That now gives them the data to say, okay, the market, can you

1:03:23 expand the colorways and all this kind of stuff. Okay. But with that, we also need you, Max, to do more. Right.

1:03:30 Right. So, now they bring in the marketing team. You know, we this year we're going to spend a little bit. We're gonna spend money more money on print. We're gonna spend more. We're gonna do a actual spot. We're gonna put you in a spot depending on etc. So now it has to grow

1:03:47 now. So at that moment, so okay, the fact that you get a deal at all means you've separated yourself from a lot of people.

1:03:53 Yes. Then this is almost like getting to the second deal in in sports like in the NFL, right? So the second deal is okay, you have succeeded in doing this. Yes.

1:04:03 Now we're going to expand the colorways. We're gonna we're going to grow it and you now have to do more to push everything.

1:04:10 You have to do more to push everything. That's kind of like your second contract plateau.

1:04:13 But here's what comes with that. See what people don't understand is most athletes and most people around the athlete, they want to focus on a transaction. You have to build equity. Equity. relationships and equity,

1:04:28 equity, equity. And what happens is now this is what they're this is what they're watching. Okay, now here comes year two. You have more. I remember vividly we have to go to China this year for what? Just

1:04:46 billion and a half people there. That's what China has more basketball courts than we have schools in America. Like it's it's and you play outside. So there's there there's there's an ability to build a different type of shoe that is a little bit more durable and things like that, which is a whole separate market, but stay with me. So you have the Asia-Pacific market. So now you're going to China. Now, when are they asking you to go dead smack in the middle of summer after you came off summer league, you tired,

1:05:20 you think you get a little break? Yep. Nope. Nope. But this is part of it. So when you are when you have a shoe deal, that's one thing. Most athletes coming out, they're going to get a shoe deal. Then you have what you call a PE, which you get to the place of like a player edition where they kind of put your logo on it or whatever and do some colorways, etc. Then you get to the signature part. If you are able to get to the signature

1:05:48 signature athlete, this is where you could possibly build a business. Now, every athlete wants a signature shoe. It's not in the cards and it's not realistic. So, if someone's in the room telling you you're going to get a signature shoe, they're lying. It's just not

1:06:06 unless you're a handful of guys. And even that, you have to wait. You have to wait because there's there could be a traffic jam, right? You [clears throat] have to wait till guys kind of fall off. We had this conversation a little bit. But man, I was a part of these rooms. And this why the Rich Paul rule was so stupid. I'm going to tell you why.

1:06:25 The Rich Paul rule for those who don't know was all of the sudden you needed to have a college diploma and X Y and Z in order to be an agent. They wanted to push through on a college level. So, and it was clearly, it's called the Rich Paul rule because it was clearly aimed at not letting you be an agent.

1:06:42 Yeah. But what what it was about was I guess they were saying you had to have a higher education. But here's why that does not work. Because the rooms that I was in and allowed to be in and worked alongside people in and gained experience in, there's not enough money. You can't you cannot pay for this experience to learn these things. Sure. Right. And most people in my position,

1:07:06 no offense, not I don't I don't want to sound like I'm making it about me because I'm not. But what I'm saying is most representation cannot add value in multiaceted ways in those rooms. Right? [clears throat]

1:07:20 If you if if if if your agent has never bought sneakers, how could he be in a sneaker meeting and add value? What is he actually saying?

1:07:31 It's actually not much different what you're describing than like how Warren Buffett invests in stocks, right? like you has you you have to know what you're doing,

1:07:40 have a philosophy about how to go about it. Is this thing useful? How is it? They can talk about more getting you more money.

1:07:47 Okay. And that's great for most guys all the way up, but I'm talking about the guys build a business. So, if I can build a business and you only talking to me about, okay, I can get you this many this much money over x amount of years. Yeah, that's great. But you can't help me build a business, right? So now

1:08:07 as the athlete, I gotta look at that a little bit different. And I'll tell you like,

1:08:13 should we put should we put like the number to clutch sports up on the screen? No, I don't even No, because I don't even want

1:08:18 just in case you're an athlete and you're I don't even want that. But but what I will say when I look at guys and this is why with with with Penny, little Penny, you had Little Penny.

1:08:29 That was such a great campaign. This is what I'm saying. Such a great campaign.

1:08:34 So, when you have that and you're able to sell shoes, now what happens is now they go to the apparel side. They give you two t-shirts, two shorts, maybe one pair of socks. Then they go to the accessories. Then now you for you got a basketball with your logo on it. You got, you know, this thing, that thing. Do you know when Michael Jordan came out, there was a Michael Jordan basketball? I'm a Knicks fan. I'm in New York. They sold it at Paragon Sports on 17th Street, right? by Union Square and it was eight bucks. I swear to God, Rich, I put it on layaway. I was like 11 years old. Put it on layway.

1:09:08 But here's my thing. So, put an $8 basketball on lay. Accessories may be doing $30 million a year,

1:09:15 right? You know, apparel may be doing $100 million a year. I remember one year I think LeBron had one coat in China. I think that coat did one coat did $80 million and then you have footwear. So your footwear business between domestic and really Asia Pacific Europe wasn't really a thing like that. That's why when Giannis came along they really wanted to make because wow we got this guy from Europe now NBA Europe like you know we can build with him but before that

1:09:52 it was all European football so basketball wasn't really a thing. That's why we did more so trips to China, Asia-Pacific markets versus going going to Europe. We did a little bit, but not not a ton. But I say all that to say, when you for all the athletes out there, like again, when you get a chance to become a signature athlete, you really have to sit down and now re-evaluate. I don't care what nobody say and I'm not re-evaluate the team at that point because you have a real shot because now I have what they call I get my base

1:10:32 1800 [snorts] no I get my base then I get my royalty right your royalty is where it really goes and you miss somebody cuz I'm going tell you who had one of the best shoes and one of the best brands and he's probably going to do it again it's Kyrie Irving

1:10:48 cuz he got tastey creative First of all, I'm just telling you, no question, one of the best shoes.

1:10:54 Kyrie had one of the best shoes ever. And he's and he's doing it again. He's doing a great job with his with his new with his new uh partner. But but now you have to re-evaluate all of this stuff because you get a royalty. Your royalty is where you really went. When people look at MJ's business, yeah, MJ made the money because of his royalty. He built the business and he had a royalty. Then he probably redid it all over again. I don't know what it's like now, but that's where it really comes.

1:11:23 But I brought up the Damen Lillard line when he had some song that he made, but I I I overheard it. It stuck in my head. Don't believe that time is money.

1:11:30 Get passionate about that type of stuff. No selling. I'm not selling that. That's super interesting. You can only represent people that

1:11:38 you go to the website and No, you can only represent people that value expertise and and we're losing that in our in our industry a lot.

1:11:45 So So Lillard says, "Don't believe time is money. Money is time. you stay focused, you look up and your money's fine. I brought it up on Wednesday. The thing is, Rich, everything you just said, the with some exceptions like there are guys like AI or Kyrie, but even those guys, why do why do those guys why do those guys build businesses? You could say, well, there are other guys like Marberry or whoever else. I'm saying what it comes down to is actually athletic excellence. the you could say whatever you want about the way AI dressed this that the other who his partners were all this

1:12:19 AI when you put your eyes on him no one was like that but that's only 50% of it you're missing the big

1:12:26 it's more than 50 okay why is it then if it's not more than 50 who else was AI who didn't wind up a brand or Kyrie who didn't when you say Kyrie you're talking about probably skill for skill the most skilled player who ever lived. You think it's an accident that he's a business?

1:12:45 No. What I'm saying is yes, it's 50% basketball. More than 50. Okay. Let's just say it's 60%. All right. Right.

1:12:52 I'll say 80%. I disagree. The other person, what do you know? You've never done this.

1:12:57 The other piece of that is both of those guys you naming, one they're relatable cuz you don't walk down the street thinking you could be this 69, 610 person,

1:13:09 right? You think you can be much more relatable than you could be Kyrie. You think you could be AI.

1:13:14 The other thing is they connect to culture. AI had suburban kids wearing cornrows.

1:13:26 No doubt and arm sleeves, right? AI had every rapper. AI had Bentleys parked on the sidewalk that he forgot that he even owned. He had the mink to the floor. He had the platinum iced out. He had everything. He connected to culture and he's dropping 40 because I because guess what? When AI used to come to Cleveland and you can ask him this if you ever see him. You know who's the first person he was calling? Me.

1:13:52 Rich. No, I'm serious. Rich, where you at? I'm at the rich. Pick me up. And then we would we would go we would go to dinner. We would hang out. That was my guy.

1:14:01 Yeah. Right. If you if it's the same thing with Kai. Kai wanted his shoe to look a certain way. He wanted the color. And then I'm gonna tell you the last thing that matters more than just as much as anything else. Price point. See, once you get to a place where you start outpricing families, it's going to hurt your business. So, if I'm at that sweet spot of $110 to $120 and my product is fly and I connect and I'm a real player, now you're starting to hit a and I'm tell if you talk to any executive at any brand, Adidas, New Balance, Under Armour, Nike, they're going to tell you Rich is exactly right. I'm telling you. So, now if a mom goes into a store, I got two young boys. I gotta choose between a $200 shoe and I have to choose between a $120 shoe. And LeBron in his meetings all the time, he had one of the biggest issues because he was say all the time out. I don't want to outpric kids that

1:15:05 come from where I come from. There's a there's a flip side to that which is number one, every athlete you just mentioned, Marberry was like that, not like AI. Lillard is like that, not like Kyrie. Not in terms of not in terms of like, oh my god, what did I just see? Okay. So, and and and and there were, you know, Dominique was like that, not like MJ. Like, it's it's so in each case, it's not an accident that the premier guy doing that thing is the guy who winds up with all this stuff. That's not that's not coincidence. You can't point to one dude where it was true and he wasn't like,

1:15:41 "Hey, I only had I only had two good shoes." They're answering the question. After that, he didn't have it.

1:15:47 And there's another thing about price point. So, when I was a kid, you either had suede Pumas or shell top Adidas, right? Or you could do some Nikes.

1:15:57 But here's Oh, one more thing I'm leaving out. Also, in those times, Yeah. especially in the in the '9s. In the '9s,

1:16:04 the basketball shoe was the lifestyle shoe. Yeah. Today, it's harder because kids only wear the basketball shoe to actually play basketball.

1:16:15 So, that's a good point. But the the reason I brought that up is the price point. I I remember and I remember my mother like when I'm like 10 years old and I wanted new shell tops cuz mine were dirty and they were 50 bucks. 50 bucks for that back then in the 80s. That's a lot of money, right? So the suede Pumas were maybe $10 less, right? So you wind up getting the Pumas. When when Jordans came out, Rich, they were $100. No sneaker back then was a I'm talking about like the the early mid 80s. No sneaker back then was $100.

1:16:46 That's not true. But it bec What was $100 back then? New Balance. New Balance were expensive and they weren't hundred.

1:16:52 That's not true. I remember the first Gym and I the first pair of New Balance my father got them and I was like I was like

1:17:00 why do you think they were like this question 70 bucks and that was a lot of money.

1:17:04 Why do you think that New Balance became so popular in DC? In DC I don't know. Because of the price point. Oh, but but wait, Rich, the $100 price point on the Jordans became aspirational

1:17:18 because you because they had a because they had someone that you could see on TV playing a game every day wearing that product,

1:17:26 but it also because it because of the price point, it bec it was no more expensive to make the sneaker, but it became a symbol of course some kind of wealth or conspicuous consumption or something that you wanted to to to floss But you're hitting on something. So, are you saying that this is because this is this is marketing at its finest? See, many people think marketing is endorsements. Marketing is not endorsements. Endorsements are endorsements. Marketing is storytelling. So, you tell it, you have the individual,

1:17:58 right? You tell a great story that people can buy into and believe. You make that product. Now, what color was the product?

1:18:08 Mhm. The the It matters. The Well, the first Jordans were like the the red, black, and white,

1:18:13 right? Now, do you think they would have been red, black, and white if he played for the Bulls

1:18:18 on the way? No, they were red, black, and white cuz he played for the Bulls. I disagree.

1:18:22 The first ones? Yeah. Come on. Because the first LeBron was red, black, and white, and he played for the

1:18:26 But that came after MJ. But what I'm telling you is there's colors that matter in marketing, just like in restaurant business. Take the best. He but the Jordan 3es, which were the best ones, were the the little fake uh snake elephant.

1:18:41 The elephant, right? Whatever they call those are red, black, and white. No, no, but the ones I'm talking about were basically like white with a little gray and then like a little red.

1:18:48 That's red. That's just the white. Not like bulls colors. You didn't look at that and think bulls, but the first one you thought.

1:18:55 I'm talking to a sneaker guru. I know. But I'm just trying to tell you. I don't care what you live through.

1:19:00 You weren't born yet. I was living through that. Listen, I bought more shoes. That's true.

1:19:05 Than you. Listen, here's what I'm trying to tell. What do you know about this business, Rich Paul?

1:19:09 But listen, here's what I'm trying to tell you. Take the best restaurants. The best fast foods restaurants.

1:19:14 Okay. Fast food. What color are they? Yep. A lot of red. A lot of red. Not just red.

1:19:18 White. And what other color? You're saying black? No. No. Yellow. Yellow. That's right. Wendy's. McDonald's. McDonald's.

1:19:25 Raisin Canes. Carl's Jr. In and Out. In-N-Out. There's something when you market. Burger King is more or less. Yeah.

1:19:32 Yeah. But when you're doing marketing, these type of things matter, Max. So, going back to red, white, red, black, and white,

1:19:39 those colors matter whether you're on the Bulls or not, but it just so happened that it lined up that he was on the Bulls. And yes, this that

1:19:47 I will point I will point out that the Bulls have black and they basically took the black away going forward. And every brand you just mentioned is a lot of red and yellow and white. Not not so much black in those brands, right?

1:19:58 No, but I'm talking about is The first ones were the bulls colors. But what I'm saying is no, I'm talking about in the restaurant it's red, white, and yellow.

1:20:06 Yes. In footwear it's red, black, and white for the most cases. What I'm saying? And

1:20:11 why black and footwear and not in restaurants? No. And and in and with those that color way,

1:20:17 you were coming out with three different colorways. Red I mean white base, black base, and then the other color way I just told you about is basically an energy. You tell a story. In MJ's case, he come white, he come white, red and black, black, red and white. And then you tell the story back to North Carolina, etc. He comes Carolina

1:20:40 with a powder blue. Yeah. It was only, by the way, back then it was only three colorways

1:20:46 and so you bought a pair of shoes. But here's the other thing. People didn't buy MJs because they wanted to be just like Michael Jordan. That was half of the people, half of the consumers. You know what the other half was?

1:21:00 They wanted to be like Max who had the BMW and the cute girl that had on Michael Jordan. So now influencers, if you get both of those consumers, Yeah.

1:21:11 you have the entire market share. That's interesting because So you have to have the elite athlete that's different than the others. Then you have to have the influencers who who who sport their thing and then you get

1:21:24 because basketball teams, high school basketball teams for the most part, they play in a team shoe and wore their Jordans when they left the locker room. Not

1:21:34 what was like a bear your best player in high school. You max my high school. There was a bear that

1:21:40 way. But but but if you actually did wear your shoe in game, Pennies, Jordans, Barkclays, and you had them again when you left the locker room. Now you was really at a

1:21:56 Wouldn't do that with the Jordans cuz they would crease right here. Well, it depends.

1:22:00 You needed another pair. I did. You you would you wore them with the You played in them. They had the crease right here and then you wore them.

1:22:06 I played in them and I had another pair. That's what I'm saying. You needed another pair.

1:22:10 Yeah. Yeah. More MJ's being sold. I hope you learned something from this. No, I hope you learned something cuz this is a topic we could talk about forever.

1:22:18 No question. All right. Listen, good week. Yeah. What are you doing this weekend?

1:22:23 Um, my daughter is coming back from New York on Sunday, but otherwise I'm open. I'm sorry I didn't uh call you on uh New Year's Eve. I was I was KO'ed.

1:22:36 No, you was. You say you're a little under the weather, so I was Yeah, that's what by not I I stayed up until I had to say happy new year to everybody. I had to say happy new year to and then I knocked out.

1:22:45 I'm hoping that my office is semi I've been really upset. I haven't been able to get into my office, man. Because

1:22:50 why? Because they, you know, the office has been closed. My office never closed. What is the thing with everyone taking off?

1:22:57 I don't do that nonsense. But nevertheless, um but they're also remodeling my office. It's one thing for the office to be closed. I don't care about that cuz I can go in whenever I want. your office or the whole building?

1:23:07 The whole building is closed. Okay. But normally when the whole building is closed, I still go in,

1:23:14 right? But in this case, not only is the whole building closed, my office is dismantled.

1:23:20 Your office is nice. What do you have to remodel? I wanted to get the some new carpet and tip the towel off and do some other stuff. New TV. I got to keep it fresh. I wanted to keep it I needed to be a little bit more

1:23:32 warm. I wanted, you know, candles. I want to put a throw on the back of the couch.

1:23:36 Yeah. Because like this is my home away from home. No, but I spend more time in my office than I do at home.

1:23:42 So, I want it to be I don't want to feel like I'm in a in a They don't call him poor Paul.

1:23:48 No, it's it's just, you know, certain. So, what do you got going this weekend? Outside of playing golf.

1:23:53 Yeah. Um I don't know. See what my son wants to do. Uh well, my oldest see what he wants to do, obviously.

1:24:02 Is he going to get his license one of these days? You know, kids these days, they're not in a They don't have rush to get their license. They don't have any sense of urgency at anything.

1:24:11 Yeah. If I knew that I could get a car, I would have had my First of all, I was driving with no license.

1:24:17 My daughter Your son's a car. Yeah. My sister My daughter's a junior. I bet you she might wind up getting her license before your son.

1:24:23 She might I Listen, I would do anything to drive a car. If you I would go to the store for you. Do anything to drive any kind of car. Anything. Some hoopy. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. My first my first car I had a 86 Cavalere with no reverse. Then I had the 86 Skylark with with No, in New York, no one had carburetor. Yeah.

1:24:43 And and you know, I I did whatever. I drove my auntie's cars, uncles, brothers, didn't matter. But these kids today, I don't understand it. Um

1:24:51 you know, maybe catch a movie. Do I I I'll definitely get a nice dinner. Yeah. Yeah.

1:24:57 And do do I'm going to call you this weekend. I'm going to call you this weekend.

1:24:59 Yeah. I want to go see Marty Supreme. I got to go see I got to go see Marty Supreme.

1:25:03 Yeah, it's getting great reviews. Yeah. I mean, the movie theater going to the movie theater, you know,

1:25:10 reviews. I like to go to the movies. We go to the movies all the time. Yeah. Yeah. I like to go to the movies, but then I don't know. I haven't I need to We should We should get I want to take you to the sushi place I was telling you about. Take you.

1:25:23 Well, I mean, let's do You can bring your daughter if you want to. Yeah. Yeah. She's not here till Sunday night though.

1:25:29 Oh, well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll I'll call you. We'll figure it out.

1:25:34 All right. Good. So, wait a minute. I have Seahawks, Ravens, Steelers. I kind of like your picks better than mine to tell you the truth.

1:25:43 Well, they are the picks are set in stone. The picks are set in stone. See you on Monday.

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1:26:01 Yeah. Max thinks he doesn't look great in this green. I think you look fantastic.

1:26:06 It too close to the skin tone. I like it. And by the way, I don't even have those. What are those?

1:26:13 These are um I don't even know what they're called. I found them at uh I don't even want to shout them out. They could they could sponsor us if they want me to shout them out.

1:26:20 Okay, those are dope. I got I have to find those. You Why didn't you pick those up for me? Thought I had them already. I

1:26:26 mean, you have you have a deal with new ballots. Are you getting your different colorways?

1:26:30 I get a lot of different color ways, but that don't mean I got those. Rich, let me explain how this works. First, you're going to get certain colorways.

1:26:39 See, I get passionate about that stuff, Max. I'm It was illuminating as I said.

1:26:43 Serious like this big deal. Yeah, absolutely. All right, I'll give you a call. We We'll figure it out as we

1:26:47 free game. Free game's over. Free game cuz the game is over. Yeah, we'll see you on Monday.

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What is discussed in "CFP Review, NFL Preview, and a Sports Business Master Class"?

In order: 0:00 Donald C. Murphy, FanDuel, LeBron, Montel Williams; 10:00 Ohio State Buckeyes; 20:00 Ravens, Steelers, FanDuel, Seahawks; 30:00 Steelers, LeBron, Ravens; 40:00 Seahawks, Steelers, Dan Orlovski, Penny Hardaway; 50:00 LeBron; 1:00:00 LeBron; 1:10:00 LeBron; 1:20:00 Ravens, Seahawks, Steelers.

What is mentioned in this Game Over with Max Kellerman and Rich Paul episode?

18 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Steelers, LeBron, Ravens, Seahawks, FanDuel, San Francisco 49ers. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "CFP Review, NFL Preview, and a Sports Business Master Class"?

The episode runs 1 h 28 min; the transcript is about 17,445 words in 462 timestamped sections.

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