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Giggling about glambots, tuning forks, and getting botched with Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Giggling about glambots, tuning forks, and getting botched with Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo", an episode of Giggly Squad published February 6, 2026 (55 min, about 10,808 words). It mentions 10 people, works and ideas, including Justin Bieber, Kim Dorbo, Lindsay Vonn, Bad Bunny, Varity.

What this episode is about

In this humorous conversation, Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo share light-hearted anecdotes about their lives, touching on topics like Botox mishaps, tour preparations, and the joys of quirky friendships. They explore the intersection of personal experiences and comedic content, inviting listeners into their world while emphasizing the importance of laughter and support from loved ones.

Key takeaways

  • Wi-Fi woes: the ultimate creative block, proving even art can't escape connectivity issues.
  • Retirement plans spark joy, but do we really believe anyone can exit comedy for good?
  • Botox blunders reveal familial love: even imperfect faces can't escape a parent's unconditional support.
  • FaceTime scrutinies: an intimate comedy in itself—our parents see beauty differently than we do.
  • Endless chat cycles: friendship's true test lies in sharing the same story while feeling like it's new.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 15:00: Kim Dorbo
  2. – 20:00: Lindsay Vonn
  3. – 25:00: Tropical Smoothie Cafe
  4. – 35:00: Bad Bunny
  5. – 40:00: Justin Bieber
  6. – 45:00: Justin Bieber, Sabrina Carpenter
  7. – 50:00: Varity, Anne Hathaway, Kid Cudi
  8. – 55:00: Night and Gale

Notable quotes from "Giggling about glambots, tuning forks, and getting botched with Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo"

  • I feel terrible for her. Next article. Lindsay von still going to the Olympics skiing with a torn ACL. She said, Fuck that ACL.
    about Lindsay Vonn · at
  • Go harder. So, one thing about me is I'm not drinking water. When I want to have fun, I'm getting a smoothie. I'm going to Tropical Smoothie Cafe.
    about Tropical Smoothie Cafe · at
  • When this house is so free? I could go and come as I please. Why would I sneak out? Kim is Why couldn't Paige have met a nice girl like Hannah in high school? She would have kept her inside.
    about Kim Dorbo · at
  • Here's what I will say. I'm so [ __ ] excited for Bad Bunny to do the halftime performance.
    about Bad Bunny · at
  • Justin Bieber. People were a gasp that he wore boxers. I thought that was very on brand for Justin Bieber. If he didn't if everyone's always a gasast at him and.
    about Justin Bieber · at
  • She got nominated for like six or eight things and just sat there and lost every single award. And it made me realize like they only give the best new artist award to so many people and like if.
    about Sabrina Carpenter · at
  • Speaking of art, do you know that Kid Cuddy is currently painting? He's become a painter and he goes by the name Scotty Raone. And now I kind of know what I want for my future.
    about Kid Cudi · at
  • Oh, yeah. I remember that. And I was Okay. I read Varity, which Anne Hathaway is going to be in the movie.
    about Varity · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Justin Bieber — Person · Referenced celebrity (award-show discussion) · 3 mentions · first at
    Used as an example in the Grammys/award-show segment; they defend his talent and criticize online hate toward him and Hailey.
  • Kim Dorbo — Person · Referenced family member (Paige’s mom) · 1 mention · first at
    Credited for Paige’s hosting/gift-basket habits and referenced in family banter; functions as a character in their family stories.
  • Lindsay Vonn — Person · Referenced athlete (motivational anecdote) · 3 mentions · first at
    Cited as an extreme example of toughness/mental grit (skiing despite injury) to contrast with everyday illness and productivity.
  • Bad Bunny — Person · Referenced celebrity (sports/halftime + awards) · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned with excitement about a halftime performance and as an example of an artist with a humble, authentic story and public reaction.
  • Sabrina Carpenter — Person · Referenced celebrity (Grammys outcomes) · 1 mention · first at
    Discussed as a snub/industry example—nominated but not winning—used to argue awards don’t define creative worth.
  • Kid Cudi — Person · Referenced musician/artist (career pivot anecdote) · 1 mention · first at
    Used as an example of an artist branching into painting under an alias, inspiring a future-identity joke about becoming a painter.
  • Anne Hathaway — Person · Referenced actor (book-to-film mention) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as attached to a film adaptation of a book Hannah read, motivating the reading choice.
    That's why I read it because I was Oh, I can't wait. I want to see that movie. And then the book I ordered it's called Night and Gale. And I literally just like went on Tik Tok and.

Books & papers

  • Varity — Book · Primary recommendation · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as a book the speaker read, with Anne Hathaway set to star in its movie adaptation.
  • Night and Gale — Book · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at
    Ordered by the speaker after watching TikTok videos recommending it as a top favorite book.
    Oh, I can't wait. I want to see that movie. And then the book I ordered it's called Night and Gale. And I literally just like went on Tik Tok and like watched a bunch of videos of girls who were like these are my top five favorite books.

Sponsors

  • Tropical Smoothie Cafe — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at
    Promoted as a place to get a mood-lifting smoothie, specifically mentioning their limited-time chocolate-covered strawberry smoothie.

Full transcript with timestamps

You know we're making art here. Gigglers. Gary, fix the Wi-Fi. Manifest that [ __ ] We can't be managed.

I mean, the day just got away from me. Hello, my garzola gigglers. Yeah. How are you?

You know, that's so funny. I just put some gorgonola in the refrigerator. That is so you. She's like, I was like, it's a gargan week. We have oregano, drips, gargola. Why am I saying gargan? It's gorgon. And also, real quick housekeeping. The day after Valentine's Day, February 15th, I'm going to be in Long Island. Strong Island, Westberry, get tickets. I'm going I have two more months left in the tour and then I'm retiring. So,

yes, honey. I can't wait to retire. I record the special in four weeks. It's starting. You know, I was gonna ask you that today because I was like, wait, she's been like pretty good mentally, but that certainly got to change in a couple weeks, right?

Any I wake up every day like, is it going to hit me like that? I'm going to be like a nervous wreck. Not today yet. Not today. I don't know. I have my gigglers. What else do you need? I have my gorgonola. What do I need? Totally. How are you? Um, I'm still a little under the weather, but nothing um, too crazy. I did have, you know, obviously a facial reconstruction situation, the past couple of days, and I went into my Botox girl and she was like, "Hey, you know, I thought you were going to be more mad about this."

And I was like, "Here's the thing. my group chats, they loved it. My mom, she loved it. She was like,

"The content was incredible. The content was superb. And I was really making everyone's day."

Yeah. The one person that did not think my Botox mishap was funny for a second was my dad,

Gary. He called me FaceTime me immediately up. Oh, what? What's this? I'm hearing that you can't move your lips. Let Let me look at you. Don't talk. Let me look at you. I I'm on FaceTime. I'm not speaking. He's examining my face. He goes, "Okay, the good news is you don't look [ __ ] up to me."

He goes, "I don't have my reading glasses, but you look beautiful." He goes, "Now talk. Let me see." Okay, not bad. Not bad. And then he goes, "You know, everyone thinks it's so funny. I don't think this is funny, Paige. This is your face. You know, you've got the perfect fa. I'm like, dad, this is why you're my day one. This is why you aren't going into a home when you are of age.

He's like, I made you perfectly genetically. Why would you try to change? So, this was the second time you did Botox and you had a little kuruffle.

A little kuruffle. Does it scare you at all or are you like, I have nothing to be afraid of? I survived.

Here's the thing. I really trust my girl. I think she's extremely good at her job.

She could poke my eye out and I'm like, she did it for a reason. She was like, "Actually, you'd look better like this." And it is only the second time I've gotten it. So, like everyone's face is a little bit different and so like things go ary now. If I had gotten filler or something, I'd be freaking out. But even if she paralyzed the whole bottom half of my face,

which sounds peaceful. Yeah, it sounds nice to take a little voice rest. Um, it would be gone in two months anyway. So, like I wasn't really freaking out. The only reason I was freaking out is I was I was like, "Honey, I'm a woman in STEM. I've got things coming up. I've got places to be. People are going to be looking at my

You're playing in the Super Bowl. Like, things are happening." No, like I literally am suiting up for the game. I hate when people are like, "We can't tell you what's happening when there's stuff going on."

But basically, Paige and I were shooting something yesterday that was very fun.

But we spent a lot of time together yesterday. We We had a proper time. We were like obsessed with each other for the last 24 hours.

We were together from 11:00 a.m. really 10:30 till like 6:00 p.m. You facetimed me the night before for a full hour and afterwards I was like, "This could have been a podcast." And once you do hit a flow state with your friend, it's actually really hard to stop. And Hannah and I,

you have to beat it. You have to beat the last piece of gossip. You have to start making up [ __ ] Like I don't even have strong opinions on things. And I'm like, you know what I think?

And Hannah and I had this song. We were like, "Wait, are we going to be 80 and like talk about the same?" Like, obviously, like I feel like there's a canon event in our friendship that like no matter what we go back to that moment and like it could be like a completely separate conversation. So, I'm just wondering like at 75 am I going to be like, well, you know,

100%. Now, this is also people have told me this is how I am. Like I have a little amnesia because I love telling stories and people I'll tell a full story and they're like, "You literally just told me that." But like

you enable me where like you know how much fun I have beating a dead horse from different sides and angles.

No, you like you break a bat, you pick up another one, and you keep going. Sorry, Peta. But you see my husband, he's like, I'm not talking about this with you again. You you look at me like you've never even heard this subject before. You say, "Wait, wait, what? Wait, what?" You said, you get some popcorn, you go, "What is this? What is this thing that we've been talking about?" So, I appreciate

I'm a great friend to have because I forget. And I'm like, "Wait, I don't remember that. Can you like elaborate?" And I truly do forget so many things. So, it's like you're telling it to me for the first time and I'm like, "Wow."

News update. Altoid sours are back and that's our mental health moment. If you're having a a panic attack or whatever the girls what do they call it nowadays? Crashing out. If you're having a crash attack, take an Altoid sour and it can help.

I have heard that that helps. But like don't like do it and then it not work and blame me. Like talk to a doctor if you're having like a lot of panic attacks. But

wait, speaking of things that help, panic attacks To my dismay, I talked about buying tuning forks on the last episode of Giggly Squad and I was like, "Everyone's going to be in my DMs and be like, "What the hell is a tuning fork?" No one. No one even asked a single They're like, "She's definitely lost it."

No one like no one even want the subject. You know what? We're going to just You're trying to bring back the dead.

And then I'm like, "Wait a minute. So, not one giggler is on my side of Tik Tok with the goddamn tuning forks. And I was like noted. I'm always and consistently looking for things that will lower my cortisol levels and

heal my body in some type of way that I don't know that it's unhealed. Is the vibrational plate working,

Hannah? The vibrational plate was so 3 months ago. I was But you know me, I'm like finally getting around to it. I'm like, okay, I've seen it for two years. I mean, obviously I still have it and I do it every once in a while. I was on a really good regimen,

but honestly, it's like how many things can I do? But I love doing all of them.

Um, okay. My tuning forks is basically like No one asked. That's why I'm [ __ ] telling you guys. I'm actually I'm lith.

Is it a weapon? I mean, it probably could be. So it could double for women. But you basically like hit this thing and then the vibration and the sound is so it's like the conspiracy theory that like the government got rid of all the bells because like massive bells in towns would heal the inside of people's bodies because of like the vibration. You're not on that conspiracy. You've never seen that conspiracy theory?

No, I'm not in conspiracy Tik Tok. Who? You go. You know the bell conspiracy. I'm like, surely you know about the bells.

Where did all the bells go? We don't know. No. There's like this big conspiracy theory that like there used to be bells that would tell everyone what time it was because obviously we didn't have phones and [ __ ] like that

in like every town and then slowly like they became obsolete or whatever and they took them away. But they were saying that they were very healing for your body and that they should have never been taken away. And I wonder if it's like whoever was in charge of the bells, like they're like running late one day and they're like, "Don't worry, I [ __ ] run the bells, okay?" Like, we're good.

It's like a guy like impressing a girl on a date. He's like, "How about everybody wakes up an hour late tomorrow? I have that power. I do the bells."

That's all I would do. But I love that. I am obsessed though with like instead of you going to like some yoga wellness retreat, you're trying to create one in your own home.

Totally. But with no like actual guidance, you are on to something because like the minute I hear someone like has to come stay at my apartment or like you know they're doing like a little a stint in New York and like my room is like where they've chosen to stay. I really do try and make it seem like a spa experience. You have a Daphne robe in your bathroom. You've got candles. You have a welcome bag of like, "Did you forget moisturizer? Don't worry. Here's some." And it's all yours. Take it with you on your way out.

Because Kim Dorbo raised you, right? And I'm just I'm very big on that. And then I'm like, I'm a cult curator.

Yeah. You also have a little Kinder Bueno by the side of the You must have a small chocolate before you lay your head down.

Can we discuss when you went into my apartment yesterday? You know, I'm I'm proud of you for even bringing this up on the pod.

I have nothing to hide. I'm an open wound. I was meeting Hannah yesterday and we were early and so I was like, I'll just stop by your apartment. We'll have a a quick coffee together and then we'll go and do what we have to do. And I walked into her apartment and I literally thought she had been robbed. I was like, "Someone's come here and open all your cabinets. Why did someone walk in and just leave your cabinets open? I really felt like I'd walked into a fraternity room. I'm like,

she used the the word disaster. That was the first word that came out of your mouth.

I said, "This place is this place is scary." Now, my perspective, I woke up. I said, "Okay, the apartment looks good, but let's tidy up just a little more cuz Paige is coming

and I'm putting stuff away." I'm like, "Oh my gosh, you said that to me, too. You said I t I actually tidied.

This is the same thing that happens with my mom. I will tidy up for 30 minutes and she comes in and she's like, "This is disgusting." I'm like, "If only you saw it."

Because you want to know what you tidy what's important to you. I don't need all the hot sauces in a straight line in the refrigerator. That does nothing for me. That's like the kind of things you tidy. I'm like, "Oh god." Simultaneously though, simultaneously, Dez had to go to my apartment quickly for something and he called Hannah after him. What did What did he say, Hannah?

He said, "You know, you know, Paige is extremely tidy." And I said, "Yes, she's Italian." And he said, "So are you." And I said, "Let's not change the subject."

I give him a complimentary gift basket on the way out. He said, "Tell your friends." If you were a man and you slept with women, you would definitely give them a gift basket. You'd give them a gift basket when they left.

I'd be so I'd be awful as a man. I'd be so manipulative because as a woman or maybe you wouldn't be cuz you wouldn't have to manipulate cuz you're a man.

As a woman, I use my manipulation tactics for good. I better people's lives, you know?

Well, it's a coping mechanism to manipulate cuz god forbid you just say what you want and you're a [ __ ]

No, you can't say what you want as a woman. Men will say what they want and people are like,

I have to disguise it. You have to do a spell. I've planted things in men's head that they haven't realized for a full year and then one day they're like and that's the power of Paige. It's really scary.

It's the tuning fork. If I had chosen an evil route, it would I it would be scary.

There was a tuning fork in the road and you chose good over evil. I was one I was one decision away from being evil. It was one more man that [ __ ] me over. I would have gone in a crazy different route.

But I also argue in someone's story, you are evil. Oh to a lot of people's I'd say a lot of people's story. No, you know what's so funny about like even saying that is like Yeah. Obviously in the world there are people out there that are like I I [ __ ] hate Paige or like I [ __ ] hate Hannah.

Don't Don't bring me into this. No. And I'm saying this for like the gigglers too. Like obviously there's people at your office or like in your town that's like

in their in their place of work. Sorry. They're all over you. You have to be aware. Stay alert.

No. I really I sound like the dance mom's thing. You're blonde. You're pretty. You're saying nobody hates you. Like, open your eyes.

No, look at now. There's definitely people that are going to hate you. My response always is, and this is how, like, I mean, you can say this verbally to people, but this is how you have to think about it. Yeah. No [ __ ] I'm going to be the villain in other people's stories. Not everyone gets the same version of me at all. Like, oh, girl.

And it goes according treat me. I go based off your energy. I do have to say one thing about me and you. We never start it.

We're not starters. We're not starters. No, no, no, no. I haven't started anything in years.

We're not proactive. We're just reactive. We are purely reactive. Um mental health moment continuing. What I've realized in my 30s is yes, you can be a villain in other people's stories, but also there are multiple truths to a story, which in my past I've definitely been like, I was there. I know what happened. That's my truth. But then you have to empathize and be like, yeah, but they're seeing it through their experience and you have to respect their truth even though it's wrong.

And then big emphasis on that though. Big empath emphasis. And then also when pe people used to tell me in my 20s and early 30s not to take things personally and that never [ __ ] made sense. I'd always be like, "Okay, then why' they say my name? Okay, then why did they say it to my face? Okay, why did they say everything about me to my face and make it about me?

Why did they say it was personal?" Yeah. Why did they say my social security number?

And then I realized nothing's personal. They're just seeing they're just reflecting their [ __ ] on to you. You're just a representation in their video game of their solo player. It's not about you. You're just you're just

It's not about you, babe. It's not about you. And that brings you sanity when you think people actually like like you just represent something to them. It's not actually you. Well, I one of the best ways I feel like to learn that too is someone said something to me. I don't even know who it was. And this is like years ago and they were just like, "Oh, well, you and your brother didn't have the same experience growing up because

and I was just like, well, no, we Yeah, we did. We had the same parents. He was there." And he was and the person was like, "Well, no, his experience was obviously different. Your parents were a different age when they had him. like you didn't have the same they didn't treat him the same and what and I was like what like what do you mean and that's so true and once like I feel like you grasp that it's easier to bring it into like your friendship.

No and I really when something was personal with me and someone would say don't take it personally I literally was like I don't comprehend that

cuz I don't attack people personally unless they attack me personally unless they deserve it. they deserve it. Um, also I was really laughing about you talking about how you had like a horrible flu and like men would go to the hospital and you had a full week of work and it really reminded me of literally one of my busiest weeks of work. I feel like

you've never gotten more done and it truly reminded me of Lindsay Vaughn who so if by the way the thing with professional athletes and like Shaq talks about it too like men talk about it they get these huge contracts and then they like sprain their ankle and they're just on the bench getting paid millions of dollars with a spra a sore knee right so anyway Lindsy Vaughn decides I'm going to [ __ ] [ __ ] come back and win gold. So, she's in all the like pre-Olympic tournaments and she's winning everything and every she's 41 and everyone's like, "This is insane.

Lizzy Vaughn's a grace of all time." Of course, the universe doesn't want to make it easy for her

and she completely ruptures her ACL. I see this notification cuz we're a sports podcast. I have to stay updated on current sports events, right?

And I was like, "Holy [ __ ] she's done." Like, I feel terrible for her. Next article. Lindsay von still going to the Olympics skiing with a torn ACL. She said, "Fuck that ACL."

Put a cast on it. What the [ __ ] do I care? She goes, "Give me a band-aid. Let's go." So, apparently there are other ligaments in your leg, but the ACL connects your shin and your thigh or something.

Her leg is dangling. As someone project on the ACL in seventh grade, she's [ __ ]

Her leg is fighting for its life. Literally, Lindsay Van's not just like walking with a torn ACL. She's going like 100 miles per hour down an icy hill and jumping and landing

and and twisting. You know, when I saw the headline, and not to make it about me, but hey, it was inside my own brain, so what was I supposed to do? Um, the only thing I could think of was the other day on Giggly Squad, you literally said you've never run a mile. like you've never done an athletic thing in your life. And this woman was like literally put a band-aid on it, you stupid [ __ ]

She literally looked at the New York Times and said, "It's mental." Wait, do you want to know the funniest thing about that is peak during my like cos that I've had, I'm on FaceTime with my parents and my dad goes, "Honestly, it's mental. My mom's never My mom has never whipped her head faster. Oh, really? Was it mental? Two weeks ago. I was like, I just walked into something that I'm like not privy to and I actually have to go.

Wait, that's so funny when your parents get into like random little tiffs and when you live with them when you're younger, you're a part of it. You've seen every scene up until that point, so you know. But when you're just facetiming, you're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. I need to hear both of the backgrounds before I pick sides."

It's kind of crazy. There is something that happens when you get into your 30s where you're like, I have to have my mom's back against these men all these years. She's been like literally surviving on her own. So then when your mom has your back on something that's very fe adult female focused, you're like, "Say it louder, mom. Say it louder."

Yeah. So that's where me and my mom are at right now. We're just like ruining my dad and my brother's lives like at all times where like we stay on their necks. Like that's the only way I can describe it.

See, what's funny is my brother always takes me at my mom's side and my dad's always just like accepts he my dad accepts that he's not going to win. So it actually is like a very high functioning situation.

No, like I think my brother is probably so disassociated because like if he does something and then it's like backto-back call from me or my mom like reaming him out about something like I could see someone going into a full psychosis like that is so scary. He he finishes Kim and then he sees you coming. What is he? How does he recover?

Back to like boyfriends and like I didn't even really fully grasp like how diabolical my mom could be until I got older and I was like I can't believe she said that to someone like in our home that I was like sleeping with. You know that is crazy. But now I think back and I'm like good. You know what? Actually go harder. So, one thing about me is I'm not drinking water. When I want to have fun, I'm getting a smoothie. I'm going to Tropical Smoothie Cafe.

I know that whenever I see you, you always have a fun drink in hand. Like, it's there's Hannah. And what fun drink does she have?

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Bringing back Nana, which by the way, she's become famous on stage now on my shows. Everyone's like, "Justice for Nana." like people are are like riding for that.

You know what I was thinking about Nana, too, and I have something to say after this.

Well, all I was going to say is what's cool about Nana is she's grown and learned so much in her life and like she's Italian Catholic, you know, grew up in a, as we know, in a tough situation in Brooklyn

in a in a ditch somewhere, no heating, no water. Nana um Nana was religious and I was like 18 and they were visiting and my boyfriend was like staying over and she was like

okay where is where is he sleeping and my mom was like in her bed like wait how old were you?

18. Okay. But I also was different than you. Like as we know like your mom was like like please don't get a [ __ ] tongue piercing tonight. Like my mom was like, "Hey, do you want to maybe go to a party and like see what happens?" And I'm like, "No, mom. I'm trying to BE A PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER."

Lenor was my dream. Like, yeah, maybe I'll give it a try. She literally looked at Nana was like, "Hannah got a boyfriend. We're very happy."

My parents were like, "Did you sneak out?" I'm like, "No, why would I do that when this house is so free? I could go and come as I please. Why would I sneak out?" Kim is like, "Why couldn't Paige have met a nice girl like Hannah in high school? She would have kept her inside. They would have stayed inside and talked about the same subjects over and over."

Bad influences. Yeah. I Well, I had Well, I guess yeah, my friends were all like sporty and like scared of cocaine, too. So, but anyway, my nana at first she was like upset. At first, my nana was upset, but then she was like, "Oh, I guess that's what the kids are doing these days." And she immediately was non-judgmental, happy. She learned

also like I don't think we were having sex. Like we were Well, do you ever see videos of like people that come out but their grandparents or parents are like of such a different generation and they're so nervous and the grandparents are like it's fine. Like I don't care.

Some of these old people they are they are learning and growing and seeing things. Um and and Nano like very early on immediately was like but she's in the know. She's been in the know.

Yeah, she's like hippen with it and like Well, Uncle Johnny famously came out as gay and they were afraid.

Your uncle I feel like you have to give context. My uncle everyone has a gay uncle Johnny. When I said uncle Johnny came out as gay, everyone listening was like yes you don't have a gay uncle Johnny. You know, it's like a funny running bit in my family that I just realized. Like if you say if you say any time in my household like, "Oh, I think they might be gay." Anyone at any time will say, "Well, don't tell Paige. She thinks everyone's gay."

That's that's what my family says about me. And I said, "Well," and I'm like, "And where's the lie?

Where's the lie?" So, no one's proven me wrong. Nope. Not a single person. Just every day the world gets gayer.

Thank God. It's not becoming ungay. Thank god. Thank god. Hi gaglers. Okay, this is like a debate like a hot debate happening online.

Do you think sports bras or sports tank tops or tank tops in general should have padding sewn in or should they have a place to take out the padding? I'm so glad you're asking me as president of the small boob community.

Let me just tell you the general arguments. Some people online are saying, "I hate that it falls out. It's like, why even have an opening? I don't." And then they're all over the place. And then some people are like, "I don't always want them in, so I don't want them sewn in." I think the padding look as someone who has literally zero boobs. If I put a sports bra on that's like a size too small. It is so tight and like I look like a flat like board. So I enjoy having a little padding because I'm like, "Oh, at least it gives like a little curvature." But if I had larger boobs, I could so see how you're like, "Get the I don't need any more padding.

I want to take this out." I think you should have the option to take it out and put it back in. Kind of like the same with bathing suits.

And for the first time ever in the history of Giggly Squad, I agree with you, right?

I agree with you 100%. All your points are so valid cuz I, as you know, have a perfect C cup.

You have a perfect rack. Perfect rack that no one talks about cuz I don't talk about it.

Cuz I don't want people to get uncomfortable and treat me differently. Yeah. But um when I have a padded bra, I suddenly feel like I have boobs. And you know, I don't want to have boobs. And I'm over here buying the Skiims nipple bra every chance I get.

Bring it to the [ __ ] library. I also think when I wear I feel like I'm wearing Victoria's Secret push-up bras whenever I have anything with padding on. And I think everyone's staring at my boobs. And I think if someone like punched me in the boob, I wouldn't feel it. Do you remember those push-up bras?

I was just gonna say like a bombshell. Like when those first came out, I was like

that was a football uniform. Like I could tackle a [ __ ] I kind of miss that era of me. Like an Abocrombie shirt and like a Victoria's Secret pink push-up bra that I like begged my mom to get.

Yeah, that was like 8 in of padding and it was like up to your chin. Shoot. I was just going to say something, now I forget.

Wait, with the Victoria Secret bra too. Um, what was I going to say? Why did we just get so dumb at the same minute? Like I literally feel like I just passed out and came too and I'm like waiting. I feel like I'm high but I'm not.

It's just the morning. It's 1:30 p.m. Wait, are you ever like with your friend and like you truly have talked about anything? And so then you're like, "So I guess that's what's going on." Well, me and you are weird cuz we'll we will talk over each other for 20 minutes straight and then be silent on our phones for 10 minutes but not have any transition. Like no one's like I'm going to go look at my phone now. It's like suddenly it's just I actually literally yesterday I called you fully Sheena Shay cuz I was mid-con conversation suddenly I hear

and I'm like okay Vanderpump Rule season 2. It's my favorite thing when you call me Sheena like when I'm on my phone because I just like I I love it so much. I think it's so funny. No, I love the sound of my nails on. People don't talk enough about being a Vanderpump Rules fan and one day being in an elevator with Sheena Shay and watching her text and hearing it and just feeling like you're watching Michelangelo paint whatever he painted.

Sheena Shay was like the first Bravo celebrity to be nice to me I feel like and like want me to come on her podcast. Like she was the first like

she was the first one celebrity podcast I did. Yeah. And she was continually nice to us through the ups and downs.

Yes. Yes. She was consistent. She was consistent. Say what you want about Sheena Shay. Here at Giggly Squad, we respect her and we

She brought me to her green room when she was on Watch Robins Live and I was like,

"Oh my god." I like watched her get glam and wait that is so sweet. It was Yeah, she's iconic. Um I would bring up the Grammys, but like does anyone care anymore? Is it like two years ago? Do you have any hot takes?

You know, did you watch them? You know, the Grammys is one award show that I never care about. I don't know why.

Well, you hate music. You've fully publicly stated it's your arch nemesis. I don't. No, I don't.

Yes, you do. Yes, you do. You hate musicals. You hate music. You hate children laughing.

Well, I hate children laughing. No, I hate musicals. I love music. I just if when I'm home by myself, I'm putting a TV show on. So, I don't have the same relationship with music during the day that other people do because

I love entertainment in the arts of Yes. movie tell scripted telling a story in that sense.

Storytelling. Here's what I will say. I'm so [ __ ] excited for Bad Bunny to do the halftime performance.

When I did see the clip of him winning, I thought it was just like so sweet. You want to know what? I feel the same way about F about Bad Bunny that I do about Fernando. Like they have such um

Who's Fernando? Fernando, my my football player. Come on. First name basis. Fernando. Isn't that his name?

Who's Fernando? Fernando who won that Miami game that I'm obsessed with. Oh, sorry. I was You're talking about college football.

You have to keep up. Sorry. Continue. I thought you got another cat or something. I was like, who's Fernando?

You know who Fernando is and stop acting like you don't. Okay, Fern. Yes, Fernie.

I feel the same way about them because there's something so pure about their reactions to them themselves doing a good job.

Do you know what I mean? It's au he's authentically happy and you they're showing photos of him when he was 16 bagging groceries and like to see people's dreams come alive also for him to remind people that Puerto Rico is in America.

No, let's just I'm so confused by that. There was a lot of confusion. There is a lot of confusion.

Look, I don't classify myself as smarter than anyone. Like I know my strengths and I know my weaknesses. But when I saw that, like people being like, "Where's Puerto Rico?" I was like, "Surely I'm not the smartest one on the internet right now." Like, that's really scary.

Well, you're for sure not the dumbest one on the internet. And that's been proven. I don't want to like get into the drama cuz, you know, we hate drama.

They tell me everything. Cole the Glamot guy. Where is he? What did they do with him?

Nowhere to be found. And then I thought he invented the Glambbot. I'm like, how are you getting rid of the inventor?

It was Cole and the Glamot. I didn't know you could get the Glamot without Cole.

Wait, let start start this story from the beginning. Okay. Apparently apparently there's an email going around from 2019. Now, whenever this stuff happens, it makes me feel like it's a it's a hit.

It's like a someone like is sitting on it. Someone someone was coming for him for some reason. I don't know why, but um

and that's why you have to have a private investigator like on call at certain times.

I guess a bride asked him like, "Can I do a glamot at my wedding?" Which is like totally valid.

iconic. Good for her. Like woman in the arts. And I guess he kind of was like, "You can't afford me."

Or he gave her like an insane number. Which honestly, you're running your business. I know people who are like super busy and someone will ask her to do something and she'll be like yeah for a crazy amount and

well it's kind of like hair stylist and makeup artist like yeah maybe they start out doing weddings but then they start doing like other things and like things that pay that aren't as timeconuming whatever and you just like you grow your business so like I get if you were a celebrity hair stylist and some random person was like do my wedding they'd be like okay for like 200k you know something crazy

so I actually didn't even see the email but this is what I I think I heard online. So, take it all with a grain of salt. But I didn't know it became

about JLo. The glam bot is a humiliation ritual. It never goes well. I asked you. You said you did it once. Like, what was it scary?

Literally terrifying because you like freeze up because you're like, I need every angle of me to look good. And then you look frozen

and then it's like a mosquito coming at you. Select few people that are really good at it though. But like I feel like they've done it multiple times. They know what to expect. Yeah. Also under pressure I'll crack doing anything. Like tell me to say my name and I'll say it wrong. So like I can't imagine.

And then also like you not only have your have to have your face right, you have to have your teeth right and your hair right and your and your [ __ ] holding in your [ __ ] stomach and your boobs in the right place.

You have to be in a dress that's conducive to like twirling. And it's Does he tell you what to do?

Yes. He's he's so nice directing. He's basically like this is what's going to happen. This is and you're going to do this and we can do it again if you don't like it and like you look amazing and he's a very nice person. So basically his so his email gets like starts getting circulated from 2019

and then I guess he's not at the Grammys and this is where it gets real spicy. People are saying now that a woman was behind the camera and that everyone's glam bot was better this Grammy. And I said, you know what, that tracks. A straight man should never be involved with photography.

Wait, no straight man should ever be behind a camera. We've all seen what happens. They're they're moving. They're talking. They don't understand angles. Maybe someone was like, "This guy doesn't support women." You know, there I feel like there aren't many positions where women have and they've replaced them with men and it's gone better, but there are so many positions that men have had that they've been replaced with women and it's

there's so many things that is obvious women will be better at or like at least they tell women like like even like cooking, but like men are the chefs.

Yeah. Make that make sense. News anchors. Who's good at gossiping? Us. Why is a man telling me what happened in the world?

Right. they don't get a single detail. And then a photographer, there's it's always a [ __ ] photographer man with like shooting models and stuff. And if you're a famous male photographer, yes, I'll shoot with you. However, that's bonkers. I want a woman behind the lens who's going to be like, "Move your hair."

I would never do like a sexy photo shoot with a guy. On some of these sets that are more like male gazy like Playboy and stuff, there's men involved because they're like, "What do you guys think looks good?" Cuz a gay guy thinking something looks good is very different than a man think it looks good.

Something that's being sold to men. Yeah, I'm going to get that. It's just like a bunch of dudes being like, "Yeah, it's hot."

But like if it's being sold to women, no. Why would I want a guy there? What does he know? No, like it's kind of like with the Real Housewives when the husbands get involved, it's like, "Okay, sit down." That's

sit down. The Grammys I loved. Um I hope Cole is okay and not being held hostage somewhere. No one said anything about him. Um real quick, the guy who sang Ordinary

and he performed on Jimmy Fallon one night when we were there. He was there. Yeah. And so he had some trouble with his ear things and Tik Tok was funny. They're like considering the ear things have one job to do, they never work. Like can no one invent an ear thing that works?

Oh, like he couldn't hear himself when he couldn't hear himself. So for like a short part of the song, he was singing

at the wrong time. Like the beat was like very off, but then he recovered really well. And then afterwards he posted a Tik Tok being like, "Guys, this is what I was hearing." And it sounded like crazy echoes. Um, but he did great.

I think my best dress was Olivia Dean. I didn't like I don't know why I never like I think because the Grammys is you can do really whatever you want. You can wear whatever you want to the Grammys because I feel like it's musicians are like

but they weren't as insane as like the VMAs you know the VMAs they do get cuz they're Yeah. The musicians are more like artists like

Yes. where I think I like the Oscars and like the SAG and like Golden Globes because I'm like there's it's a black tie dress code.

Yes. Like I want to see what you came up for. Black tie dress code. Justin Bieber. People were a gasp that he wore boxers. I thought that was very on brand for Justin Bieber. If he didn't if

everyone's always a gasast at him and him what him and Haley are doing. I I'm so over it. I'm so over people hating on him and Haley. How about when she looked in the camera and she went like that

with her? She does have you fingers. She has long fingers like you. She has royalty fingers.

She has royalty fingers. Well, she famously went on TikTok one day and was just like, I don't say anything. I don't do anything. And you guys yell at me every day and I don't know what.

People are like so insane to her. It's so [ __ ] weird. But not to be dramatic, I like got teared up when he was singing because I hate when people are misunderstood and I hate when people lose themselves.

Hate when people are misunderstood. I hate when they are there's injustice. I hate when people

are on the wrong path. You hate when things are point blank period unfair. I that is my I hate when things are unfair and I feel like

he blew up and because he was so [ __ ] talented. He was like eyes closed four years old playing the drums singing perfect pitch whatever [ __ ]

Yeah. And then he becomes the biggest person in the world and everyone's like starts making fun of him and then he's singing and everyone's like did you guys know Justin Bieber could sing? Yeah. It's not [ __ ] luck that he became one of the greatest singers of his generation and every girl in the world was obsessed with him. It's not just cuz he had a weird haircut. So anyway, it was just like beautiful to see him come out of it all.

No, I think he has like a really crazy story that is like so not even scratch of the surface told. And I think

he's such a talented person. Yeah. and his documentary when we're in like our 60s is going to be so [ __ ] banging and his son is probably going to like produce it and like I can't wait for it.

But I do have to say award shows are like insane. Sabrina Carpenter didn't win anything and she's literally like just the most relevant artist of this year. Like that's not controversial.

She got so crazy. She got nominated for like six or eight things and just sat there and lost every single award. And it made me realize like they only give the best new artist award to so so many people and like if you happen to be in a really good year you won't get it. And how like in the year 2000 Christina Christina Aguilera won um and Britney Spears lost to her. So like Britney Spears was 2000 being like I'm a [ __ ] loser.

And it's like Sabrina I just need to let you know these awards don't mean [ __ ] You're perfect. Keep going.

I feel like they take them with a grain of salt. M. No, no. That's all your industry is is these stupid [ __ ] awards. Like that's that's what the

Yeah, that's true. That's all like they I think some people are probably better at being like it's stupid. Well, to everyone who's a creative listening, which is all the gigglers, women of the arts and the gigglers, someone gave me good advice one day and they said, "The second you let other people's opinions affect your creativity is when they win." So, the second you're like, I'm not going to post this or I'm not going to write this. I'm not going to express myself because I'm afraid of other things. Then they win. Also, further [ __ ] more,

I'm on a mental health kick this morning. We haven't said further [ __ ] more in a minute.

In a minute. We It was needed. That hit. You're welcome. Thank you. A moment for further [ __ ] more. Um, is that it's your decision on how to react to things. So, like this is not relatable at all, but losing a Grammy, you could literally make that ruin your year and be like, "Everyone thinks I'm a loser. I lost a GR." Or you literally can choose to be like, "I don't give a [ __ ] about this." And that's what life is about. And it's it seems like you're cheating or it seems like you're like suppressing things, but like no, it's actually like two things can happen to the same person to the same thing can happen to two people and it's just how they relate to it that makes people either successful or stuck in their head.

You can also do apply that to like when you have rage like you go and let me speak from the angry portion of the night. Oh my god. I forget that you

We're doing devil's advocate. Hannah is the angel and I'm the devil. Let me speak from that side.

You going if you have a short little temper. I think people don't realize that I do have like one of the craziest tempers.

But you only like you don't let it out a lot. No. No. Not with me. She goes, "I see honey people I love."

No. Because I'm never mad when I'm around you and you've never done a single thing for me to like be like I [ __ ] hate that I have to freak out. Yeah. You're like my joy. You're my peace.

But I like I've seen you very worked up about things which actually I love. Actually last night when we left each other I was like kind of wanted to call you last night because I was just like oh my god we had so much fun laughing all day. Like I kind of just want to like laugh a little bit more. But were you like, "Oh, I called her the night before and she's going to be like, "Wow, this girl."

I was just like, "No, what are we going to talk about? We've literally talked about everything. Like, I have to go to bed."

Wait, that's so sweet of you. I love Chapel Ran's dress. Oh, Mrs. Mrs. Fake Nipples doesn't like a nipple dress. That's That's what I want to see, though. That's the kind of creativity I want to see on the carpet.

Look, you know how I feel about Jenz. We're very tumultuous. Like, we have certain things that I'm just like, I don't [ __ ] vibe with you guys. And then there are other things where I'm like, Jenzie, go. Yeah, you got this, girl. Like, yes, we're behind you.

Hopefully, no one stepped on it. I mean, what was she going to do if there was just like a a a jam up on the red carpet and someone accidentally stepped on it? Obviously, it was a prosthetic.

If someone stepped on it, that's called viral, baby. That's called content. I don't know. My whole thing is like, you have anxiety. Well, it's okay. Well, this is why I'm obsessed with Chapel Rome because the interview before she looks at the woman and the woman's like, "Are you okay?" And she's like, "This is the scariest part of the night cuz everyone is taking photos of you and you don't know where the photos are going to go." Mind you, her she's like has a cape on still. And she's like, "I'm just scared." And I'm walk looking at her.

I'm like, "Poor thing. I hope she just goes inside and like gets to sit down and and eat something and everyone's nice to her." And then two seconds later, she's on the carpet. Whip those tittas out. And

she's like, "Here's my hard nipple. Don't look at it." And she's like, "And if anyone raises their voice."

I'm like, she's testing them. Yeah. I'm like I I feel like as though I'm in a pickle here.

You know what she is? She's like a cat when a cat lies on its back and you're like, "Your belly is so cute. Can I touch it?" And the cat's like, "Yeah, touch it. See what happens. See what happens." happens and they're like, "Well, why would you show it to me if you

She's like, "Say one thing about my nipple dress. I freaking dare you. I actually I want you to. That's why I wore it."

And then she gave her she announced her award um and she was like clearly didn't want to be there.

Like I've had a dream like that where I'm like and I forgot my shirt. Like my nipples are out and like and I'm just acting casually. I'm like nothing's going on here. Like that was her red carpet was my worst nightmare. Like you forgot your shirt. I think I liked it too because she's a lesbian so she's like showing her boobs not for the male gays. Like it some people are like it's not for the male gays and I'm like whatever it is but like hers was like actually a dress showing your topless and you know the men were like huh

which I kind of loved cuz it was like a ring hanging from it. Yeah. Yeah. The guys were confused and uncomfortable.

Okay. That's a perfect example of like if men are confused and uncomfortable that mean this art.

But also it's a perfect example of like that is a different type of like fashion vibe where I'm like okay I'm I can't compare that look to like when Zenaia walks on the carpet for the Oscars. Like that is a moment in my soul that like it's very different.

Should I get short bangs? No. Okay. I just want to throw it out there. Wait, can I show you? Is everything at Oh, home at Okay.

No, I was I'm about to shoot my special. You know, I'm freaking out. What are you doing?

So bad. What are you doing? There was like a really cool There was the one girl who worked at the Supreme store who didn't bully me and she had these little

and they were like to hear. So, she was so cool. No, they've put in the time and the effort to deserve those bangs. They've seen some [ __ ] They're not for you. Okay.

Oh my god. If I go to the salon, they'll be like I could see you with a wispy bang though that ends here and then like your first layer starts here and you just go down.

We'll see. But hey, I'm putting that out there one thing at a time. Speaking of art, do you know that Kid Cuddy is currently painting? He's become a painter and he goes by the name Scotty Raone. And now I kind of know what I want for my future.

You want to become an artist? I'm going to be a painter. It goes by a different name. Speaking of art, I finished my book.

How does it feel to finish your first book? It feels really good. And I ordered another one.

Well, do you want to tell them what you're reading or you're scared to start a book club actually?

No, I'm literally scared. I'm like I said I wouldn't do this. This is a book club now. Like I just started it. If I say the name of like what I'm reading, it's like this is a book club. Okay. I read Varity because um

it's Italian. It's she read the menu to an Italian restaurant. She goes, "You actually don't know how funny that is because in Italy, one of our favorite restaurants, the name of it is like labe sometimes those menus are big and you're like certainly you can't be doing all this correct. Like all of this is good." When we were on reality TV, we went to a restaurant once and people took photos and we all were looking at the menu and someone was like, "They're reading scripts off these menus."

Oh, yeah. I remember that. And I was like, I was um Okay. I read Varity, which um Anne Hathaway is going to be in the movie. That's why I read it because I was like, "Oh, I can't wait. I want to see that movie." And then the book I ordered um it's called Night and Gale. And I literally just like went on Tik Tok and like watched a bunch of videos of girls who were like these are my top five favorite books.

Are you on book talk? I I like search for it. It doesn't doesn't automatically get filtered to me. It has

noatter how much you search the algorithm's like it doesn't make sense. Like really babes? Who are we impressed? Who's sitting next to you that you're trying to show your phone to?

I feel like you're really good at choosing like inspiration for like what girls to follow. Like if I see an influencer that you follow, I'm like, "Oh, okay." Like she's legit.

Like, so how do you decide which judge? What are you looking for? By pretty. I want it to look cool when I bring it on the plane. I want it to like And I'm a hardcover [ __ ] or nothing. Hard cover. Honey, where? No.

I always take the sleeve off because I don't want anyone to talk to me about it.

See, I like want someone to do that because I just want to feel like what? No one's ever said that to me. So, I'm just like I want my first like book convo to happen.

I also feel like books are intimate. Like I don't want people knowing what I'm thinking about. I also feel like I'd read crazy books.

My mom reads so much and so I like said to her like I finished my book and I ordered another one and I heard my dad in the background go she's really rounded a corner. We've lost her. Like because I my personality is like more my dad. But sometimes I'll pull something out that's so

Let me just say to Gary, there was a time where he used to go to bed and pray that you could read. So let's

and we have to look at the bright side of things. You're so grateful. And I'm really proud of you. I'm really, really proud of you. Final thought about Jenzie. They love disappearing text.

I love disappearing text. Now, how do you do it? I don't send them. I love receiving them because if I'm going to say something, I'm like and show them. And I hope they go through your phone and see it.

Can you not screenshot it when you or is it like when people search it, it won't come up? Like what's the point of a disappearing text?

Well, one, you can screenshot it. And two, I feel like we've tried. Yeah. One, you can screen I mean, you can undo it and I think screenshot it.

Yeah. I feel like it's really more for like if someone's next to But I have like a screen on my thing. So like you can't even see. know is all my Jenzie friends, my tons of little Jenzie girlies, they can't send me a normal text. Everything's disappearing. I'm like, "Babe, why do I have to work to read this text?" But it does make it exciting.

We're on planes so much and I'm like, so I'm like, "I don't know. You don't look at my [ __ ] phone." Only because I know I'm looking at someone's phone. So, I know my own trick. So, I'm like, "Don't look at my phone." So, secret safe with me. But like when I'm gossiping, I have one particular friend that I am thinking of that she will only send me invisible text messages cuz she's like

part of me is like, "Do you not trust me?" Like when I send someone juicy gossip, I trust them with it. I trust that they'll protect it. I might be like, "Hey, if you listen to this voice,

she doesn't trust the environment ever." Got it. Got it. It's not you, it's the environment.

My assistant will go on my phone or I'll hand over my phone and be like, "Put your number." Like there are just certain things where I'm like if that information ever leaked.

Yeah. I wonder if boys I wonder if boys use disappearing text or if it's just a girl thing. I feel like it's a girl thing cuz we are the FBI. Men wouldn't do it.

Also, I still I don't know how to do even read. I mean, I don't even know if they actually That's such a lie because it's actually such a lie because I don't have in my grownup years of 30. First of all, not all my friends are friends with each other. So, they're like, if we threw them in a weird group chat, it'd be like, "Hello, I have a job." The amount of men, and I think pretty much every man I've ever dated, their group chat

Oh. all day. All day. Yeah. But nothing nothing juicy. Just like sending bad memes.

And I'm like, wait, this is honestly very male loneliness epidemic. Where? Wait. Well, it's just more like this is actually a very girly thing of you guys to do. But I'm I'm thankful that you're doing it

because who else do you talk to? But it's never of anything of importance. It's like I took a [ __ ] today and it's like you could have heard that on Giggly Squad. But I'm fascinated by the male group chat.

Yeah, we're going to do some research. Actually, gigglers, can you keep an eye on a man's group chat near you and tell us what they're talking about? Um, this has become a full-on investigation. We just want to keep tabs on it just in case. Get ahead of it. Gigglers, we love you so, so much. Thank you for all the great feedback of the two episodes.

No, it's been so fun. We scheduled our first guest for one of our Friday episodes that we're very excited about.

Yes. Also DM us if there's any like random fun people you guys want us to have on for a segment or just Chatty Kathy. Let us know. Um we love you guys so much. Thanks for giggling. Bye.

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Who speaks in "Giggling about glambots, tuning forks, and getting botched with Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo"?

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In this humorous conversation, Hannah Berner and Paige DeSorbo share light-hearted anecdotes about their lives, touching on topics like Botox mishaps, tour preparations, and the joys of quirky friendships. They explore the intersection of personal experiences and comedic content, inviting listeners into their world while emphasizing the importance of laughter and support from loved ones.

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