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Four Words That Will Change Your Life + Remembering Today To Truly Live! Pt 2 with Nicole Avant!

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Four Words That Will Change Your Life + Remembering Today To Truly Live! Pt 2 with Nicole Avant!", an episode of Jamie Kern Lima published December 9, 2025 (50 min, about 9,136 words). It mentions 20 people, works and ideas, including Divine love, Divine order, The Jamie Kern Lima Show, Think You'll Be Happy, Nicole Avant.

What this episode is about

The discussion highlights the transformative power of music in personal healing and emotional expression, emphasizing its role in overcoming difficult moments. Additionally, it critiques contemporary perceptions of progress in society, particularly regarding the sacrifices made by previous generations, urging a recognition of their struggles and achievements as a foundation for present and future opportunities.

Key takeaways

  • Music is therapy: tunes unshackle moods and emotions, allowing healing without a single prescription.
  • You'reing Welcome: Progress denied is gratitude deleted; let's honor sacrifices shaping freedoms we enjoy daily.
  • Warrior goddesses need battles: Title inflation without action dims true struggles globally.
  • Gratitude is your compass: Navigate life's storms by aligning with the sacrifices of past heroes.
  • Divine vibes only: Align intentions with higher forces to find 'this or something better.'

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: The Jamie Kern Lima Show, Think You'll Be Happy, Clarence Avant, Divine love
  2. – 15:00: Dorothy Dandridge, You're [__] Welcome
  3. – 25:00: worthybook.com, Worthybook.com
  4. – 30:00: Underground Railroad
  5. – 35:00: Divine order, You're [__] Welcome
  6. – 40:00: Divine love, Divine order
  7. – 45:00: Divine love, Divine order
  8. – 49:42: Nicole Avant, The Jamie Kern Lima Show, Worthy: How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You, worthybook.com

Notable quotes from "Four Words That Will Change Your Life + Remembering Today To Truly Live! Pt 2 with Nicole Avant!"

  • And I surrender unto you and I ask for divine intelligence, divine grace and divine love to guide me and direct me and protect me today. but work through us today during our…
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  • Entrepreneur, philanthropist, former US ambassador to the Bahamas, and author of the best-selling book Think You'll Be Happy, a spirit lifting memoir on how to turn pain into…
    about Think You'll Be Happy · at
  • Yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And for everyone part of this right…
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  • Favorite music, knowing the vibration of music. So, I'd play a lot of Duke Ellington, a lot of Frank Sinatra. He knew Frank Sinatra personally, Sammy Davis Jr., all his friends…
    about Duke Ellington · at
  • We watch Dorothy Dandridge. We Sydney Portier. We would just watch the things that reminded him of a life that he loved with my mom.
    about Dorothy Dandridge · at
  • My dad's book title is You're [ __ ] welcome.
    about You're [__] Welcome · at
  • Self-worth. Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully…
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  • And the best entrepreneurs. You have Harriet Tubman who not only did the Underground Railroad, but she also was a spy and helped us win the war. And she would go into all these…
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Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Nicole Avant — Person · 2 mentions · first at
    Sarandos, live in Los Angeles, and her impact in work has touched people all around the globe. Nicole Avant was raised surrounded by some of the most extraordinary legends of…
  • Clarence Avant — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Extraordinary legends of our time. And her parents, entertainment mogul, the black godfather Clarence Avant, and legendary philanthropist Jaclyn Avant, turned their home into a…
  • Jaclyn Avant — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Her parents, entertainment mogul, the black godfather Clarence Avant, and legendary philanthropist Jaclyn Avant, turned their home into a place of refuge and inspiration for a…
  • Duke Ellington — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Dorothy Dandridge — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Louis Armstrong — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

Companies & orgs

  • The Jamie Kern Lima Show — Company · 3 mentions · first at
  • worthybook.com — Company · 2 mentions · first at
  • Tower Records — Company · 1 mention · first at
    And then one day he looked at me and goes, Oh god, all you did was want to go to Tower Records and all you did was want to buy albums. And so we would talk about it. And I found a playlist on Spotify. It was like 1976, like top 100.

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Concepts & topics

  • Divine love — Concept · 4 mentions · first at
  • Divine order — Concept · 4 mentions · first at
    During our conversation. And I notice that every time I do that and every day, I do want to be covered with divine order because I might think in my human mind, this is going to be the best thing for me, for my family, for my work or.
  • Underground Railroad — Concept · 1 mention · first at
  • United States Ambassador — Concept · 1 mention

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Full transcript with timestamps

Music has actually saved my life many, many times when I've been at my lowest at different points in my life for various reasons. Music gets me out of a strange mood, a sad mood. I get very emotional when I listen to certain types of music, which is good because it lets it all out. My dad's book title is You'reing Welcome. He hears people this new culture saying there's been no progress. There's been no progress in America. And there's my father is like, "You have got to be kidding me."

Yes. This is offensive to me. Are you kidding me? He said, "The last 60 years, what do you think we were doing for all of you to have what you have?" People died for you to vote. People died for you to be able to buy a home. People died for you and struggled for you. People dreamed a vision for you that they knew that they wouldn't even be alive to see. You owe them a thank you. And so I always tell people I try to live my thank you. That is I live my thank you. I want to live my thank you. I I want, you know, I want my life to be a thank you. And so the idea that there's no progress, my dad was like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

Do not do not accept that." He goes, "Because that is saying that I didn't do anything.

That is saying that my generation didn't do anything for you." And that is a lie.

There were parts of your book that I was like sitting up straighter reading. I was like, "Okay, Nicole. Okay, Nicole."

There's a lot of women like, "We're all warrior goddesses. We're all warrior goddesses." And I look at have these women saying that, I go, "And none of you will even go into battle. You can't call yourself a warrior goddess. You haven't even been in battle. What are you talking about?" Why I loved the history of the world is when you look at just right now in the world, there are women that are not allowed to be educated. There are women who are not allowed to drive. There are women who are not allowed to own a home. There are women who literally have laws saying absolutely no. I wake up every day as an American and I say I am so grateful for everybody who came before me.

I don't take my freedom lightly at all. I don't take my freedom for granted. I don't take the the the idea that I have the right to be educated, the right to to work hard and be successful or the right not to do anything. By the way, that's another thing. You know, you could sit in this country and do nothing. Mhm. You know what I mean? And people don't even realize that's a part of you. I mean, I wouldn't choose that, but the idea that you even have that this whole idea of this collective um victimization, you could be standing in line at a restaurant or something and somebody doesn't get their order right, you think that the whole world's going to fall apart. And when you're disconnected and unaware of other people's sacrifices, this is what happens.

And and and we have to stop that because it's not going to help our nation. I'm never going to fall into the position or thought pattern of everything's a tragedy, nothing has gotten better, there's absolutely been no progress. That's not true.

Mhm. And it's just so again hurtful. It hurts my spirit even saying those words right now out loud. It really just bothered me because I just thought of my grandmother right now. I could feel her right here. and she did so much and went through so much for me, for example, for the right to vote.

What you just shared, I think is one of the most profound things I've ever heard.

It's that is one of the most profound things I have ever heard. I feel like just reminding myself of that because I know that is true in my body, my soul, my spirit, in my mind that is true. When we reconnect with other people's sacrifice to have what we have to for our country to look the way it is for our rights, for our freedoms, for our everything, right? For the ability to do nothing.

The ability to do nothing. Oh my gosh. I Yeah. Disconnected from other people's sacrifice. Which is why your dad's book title, you'reing welcome.

You'reing welcome, basically sums that up. I had really prayed for him and I and I had done the work on myself. So I knew what I was I I knew my worth and I knew what was good for my energy and it didn't matter if somebody made sense on paper.

Yeah. Energetically it had to make sense. All of a sudden we got together our souls got together and things took off for both of us. That prayer has changed my life all the time. actually this or something better. Even in the worst of times, the best of times and the worst of times, it never fails. Today, I asked the divine, I said,

please speak through me and behave through me during this podcast and I surrender unto you and I ask for divine intelligence, divine grace and divine love to guide me and direct me and protect me today. but work through us today

during our conversation. And I notice that every time I do that and every day, I do want to be covered with divine order because I might think in my human mind, this is going to be the best thing for me, for my family, for my work or whatever. And I still will put the intention out always, but I always will end with thy will be done. This or something even better. Ambassador Avant is an award-winning producer, including of the Academy Award nominated film 68, entrepreneur, philanthropist, former US ambassador to the Bahamas, and author of the best-selling book Think You'll Be Happy, a spirit lifting memoir on how to turn pain into purpose, how to live with gratitude, and how to face down tragedy and turn it into love. She and her husband, co-CEO of Netflix, Ted Sarandos, live in Los Angeles, and her impact in work has touched people all around the globe. Nicole Avant was raised surrounded by some of the most

extraordinary legends of our time. And her parents, entertainment mogul, the black godfather Clarence Avant, and legendary philanthropist Jaclyn Avant, turned their home into a place of refuge and inspiration for a generation of notable icons and culture-shifting artists. In December 2021, an unthinkable tragedy struck. Her mother, Jacquine, was fatally shot by a home intruder. In her incredible memoir, Think You'll Be Happy, Nicole turns the pain of her family's loss into the fuel that pushes her forward. Think you'll be Happy, her mom's last words to Nicole, provides a roadmap for anyone working to remain positive and anchored in hope.

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Jamie Kern Lima, music is what brought us back together because music has actually saved my life many, many times. I mean, when I've been when I've been at my lowest at different points in my life for various reasons, music gets me out of a strange mood, a sad mood. A music makes me think. It makes me feel a different way. I I I get very emotional when I listen to certain types of music, which is good because it lets it all out.

Yeah. And with my father, having him come live with us, I would start playing his my healing process for him was putting on his favorite music, knowing the vibration of music. So, I'd play a lot of Duke Ellington, a lot of Frank Sinatra. He knew Frank Sinatra personally, Sammy Davis Jr., all his friends who happen to be big famous musicians. Quincy Jones was his best friend. I'd put on every Quincy Jones album. Frank Sinatra, Duke Gallent. Like I said, um uh uh Louie Armstrong.

And then one day he looked at me and goes, "Oh god, all you did was want to go to Tower Records and all you did was want to buy albums." And so we would talk about it. And I found a playlist on Spotify. It was like 1976, like top 100.

And I started playing that at dinner with my dad next to me. I said, "Oh, I used to listen to this when I went to camp and then you and mom sent me to sleep away camp and I thought I was going to have no friends and then it was Paul McCartney and Wings and then this song and then he got to know me.

He had forgotten all he didn't know any of this about me when I was a child. My mom knew these things, but my dad was working. He could care less." And all of a sudden he's like, "Huh? How do you remember all these songs?" I go, "I could tell you just like I said earlier. I go I could tell you who I had a crush on. I can tell you where I was going to camp. I was tell you I could tell you I had dolphin shorts and Adidas and this and that and members only jacket and it was healing for him to see the child in me

become alive again. Yes. And so we really healed through music together. We every night I'm telling you Jamie I would see it his his vibration his energy some nights would go down. He'd come down the stairs sad or, you know, a little confused, you know, and if I turn on Frank Sinatra's greatest hits, boom, he he was take he was transported to a different time

and his feet would start moving under the table. And and so I realized, okay, this is a good thing for healing. This is what I'm going to do. Music works for him. Great. Old movies started working for us, movies that my mother loved.

And we watch Audrey Heper all the time. We watch Katherine Hepern all the time. We watch Dorothy Dandridge. We Sydney Portier. We would just watch the things that reminded him of a life that he loved with my mom.

And so it was really healing. Yeah. Well, and he passed as you were were you finishing the book?

I was finishing the book and he was on me during every single day. When are you going to finish that book? When are you going to finish the book? I said, "Dad,

you know, and remember I've said this many times. I did not want to I was writing the book before my mom passed and then when she passed I thought okay what now what am I going to write about like what am I how am I doing this and I I always just it was great because again I have this wizard I always call my dad this wizard this man who lived so long I said I'm not writing the book I'll write it next year I I'm going to take care of you I'm going to put this aside I'm going to put the movie aside I'm doing nothing and he said Nicole life doesn't work that way it it doesn't work that way.

So, you need to not let this person who took your mom's life. You cannot give him so much power that he's going to take your life away and take your energy away and take your life force away to not want to live. I get that you don't want to live, but you have to make a decision that you're going to live even through the moments that you don't want to. You have to

you have to find the strength and I'm going to help you. And so, his his version of help was nagging me every day. Write the book. Write about Jackie.

So powerful what you just said. He He You can't give this guy that took your mom's life your life.

Nope. He was like that. He said that. He goes, "You never give your life force to anyone. I don't care." He's like, "Do not give your life force away. When you give your life force away, you die."

So, Nicole, I just think about the person right now who's like been giving their life to that person that broke their heart or giving that life to that friend that does not deserve their right. That's right. And we're giving it's like they did the thing and then it's like what what are they taking? What do they continue to take?

Yeah. And exhausting and draining and using you. And by the way, it's abuse. It is abuse. And people have to really recognize when to call things

abuse. You know, it's just And so for me, once my dad said that, I was like, "Oh, you're right." He said, "I'm not saying you got to power through it. We'll take it one day at a time." And he was so cute. He's like, "I'm here. I don't know how long I'm going to be here with you. He goes, but I'm here so you can lean on me and you can ask me questions and you know, but I would read certain things out loud to him and he'd say, "Oh, well, I like that." And then I'd say, "I don't know if I should put this in. Maybe he's like, "No, put that in." And his point was, you want people to heal. You want people to get knowledge from the book.

You want to inspire people, but you also want to empower people. And the only way, the best way in his version, in his mind, was be as honest as possible. Nicole, he'd always say, "What do you have to lose?

Just be honest. You don't need to go out there and say, "I'm the perfect daughter or I did this perfectly." He goes, "Show your mess." Because if you show your mess and you own it, it's going to teach other people. And you've learned in your life by learning through other people's messes. And we mentioned Oprah earlier. She couldn't have been more transparent to the world about things she had learned, about things that, "Wow, I learned this. This healed my soul. I would like to share this with you. And I think anybody who does that, it's so important that we remember that it's to you said it earlier. It's worth sharing stories.

Yeah. For that reason. Yes. Your dad's book title. My dad's book title is You're [ __ ] welcome. because he hated when you know can you can imagine somebody born in in 1931 and then gets to 2023 and he hears people this new culture saying there's been no progress there's been no progress in America and there's my father is like you have got to be kidding me

yes this is offensive to me are you kidding me and he'd look on the news he's like well she's on the news because I'm the one who fought for her to be on that in that news station what is she talking about? You know, he said, Nicole, the last 60 years, what do you think we were doing? What do you think we were doing for all of you to have what you have? People died for you to vote. People died for you to be able to buy a home. People died for you and struggled for you and were uncomfortable for you. And

people dreamed a vision for you that they knew that they wouldn't even be alive to see. M.

So he said, "And you know what? You owe them a thank you." And so I always tell people, I try to live my thank you. That is I live my thank you. I want to live my thank you. I I want, you know, I want my life to be a thank you to my parents, to my grandparents, to all of my ancestors, to everybody of every color in the world who said yes to goodness, yes to fairness, yes to righteousness. And so the idea that there's no progress, my dad was like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Do not do not accept that." He goes, "Because that is saying that I didn't do anything.

That is saying that my generation didn't do anything for you." And that is a lie.

This was again there's so many parts of this book. I could ask you for days about things in this book, but the but I want to touch on that because that really hit me. Um because we're at this moment where I think collectively a lot of people have sort of like again when we talk about like stories that we decide to tell or

um meanings we assign to things or uh our imagination as your mom would use um and kind of like how we see things. There really is sort of this collective worry of you know are we in a worse spot now than we used to be? Is our nation in a worse spot now than it used to be? Have we not made any progress? Are we taking huge steps backwards? Um, and there's this sort of um, you know, collective maybe pessimism with a lot of people. Uh, and victim mentality of things and Yes.

And there were parts of your book that I was like sitting up straighter reading. I was like, "Okay, Nicole. Okay, Nicole." Um, will you talk about your thoughts about that because this is so powerful. I mean, okay.

Well, I think that the idea of, you know, being victorious for me and living a victorious life is always my intention. And a victorious life does not mean a life that's easy. If you have victory, that means that you had to have a lot of battles. You know, there's, you know, how there's a lot of women like, "We're all warrior goddesses. We're all warrior goddesses." And I look at have these women saying that I go and none of you will even go into battle. You can't call yourself a warrior goddess. You haven't even been in battle. What are you talking about? You want everything again straight line. You want everything in technicolor. You want everything to be pretty. You want it doesn't work like that. That means you know it's it's like my grandmother always used to say everybody wants the testimony. They don't want the test. They don't want to take the test. It's it's you have a testimony and you're able to say, "Oh my

gosh, God was so good. Life is so good. The divine is so good. The universe is so good. You get there through going through the hard things

and then when you get to the other side of it, yeah, you can then have a testimony.

And you know, this idea of choosing up and starting your day off thinking that, you know, I always tell people, have a perspective on the world first of all and really think about the things that you have right now. the idea that you want to live in utopia. Well, good like it doesn't even again there's it's a mindset.

Everybody wants equality. I understand that. Freedom, all these things. I think again going back to your first question about world history and why I loved the history of the world is when you look at just right now in the world, there are women that are not allowed to be educated.

There are women who are not allowed to drive. There are women who are not allowed to own a home. There are women who literally have laws saying absolutely no. For me, I could either, you know, of course you do what you can. and you work with organizations that are trying to change these things. But I wake up every day as an American and I say I am so grateful for everybody who came before me to make sure that I have what I need to have to live but also to to to move forward to live life to I don't take my freedom lightly at all. I don't take my freedom for granted. I don't take the the the idea that I have the right to be educated, the right to to work hard and be successful or the right not to do anything. By the way, that's another thing. You know, you could sit in this country and do nothing.

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You could sit in this country and do nothing. Mhm. You know what I mean? And people don't even realize that's a part of you. I mean, I wouldn't choose that, but the idea that you even have that of and then so for me, I just think it's a it's a it's a the way to honor people of the past and people who came before me, especially my ancestors, is to live a very full, thankful life

and to make the best out of what I have and what they didn't have because they didn't have

a lot. And yet they still chose to live. They still chose to give me life. They still chose to show up.

And this whole idea of this collective um victimization and you know I mean now we're in a state where you know I've seen it and I'm sure you've seen it but I you know you could be standing in line at a restaurant or something and somebody doesn't get their order right. You think that the whole world's going to fall apart. I mean, it's it's tragic to see, but again, it's being disconnected from the truth, being disconnected, I think, from other people's

sacrifices. And when you're disconnected and unaware of other people's sacrifices, this is what happens.

Yes. And and and we have to stop that because it's not going to help our nation. And is our nation perfect? Now, I would like to know which one is.

Mhm. I I haven't seen one. And if someone can show me one, great. But I haven't seen one. But we're pretty good. And I know we have things to change and I know things, you know, no one gets it all right and all. I understand that. However, the idea I'm never going to fall into the position or thought pattern of everything's a tragedy. Nothing has gotten better. There's absolutely been no progress. That's not true.

And it's just so again hurtful. hurts my spirit even saying those words right now out loud. It really just bothered me because I just thought of my grandmother right now. I could feel her right here.

And she did so much and went through so much for me, for example, for the right to vote.

I don't care, Jamie, if I don't like anybody on the ballot. I go and I vote. Even if it's one person, I'm like, I'll check this box even if it's one. But I do it in honor of my grandmother. I do it in honor of my aunties who fought for me to have the right to vote to the point where, you know, there was a brick thrown at my auntie for marching for me to be able to have the right to vote. And I'll never forget, she said, my face was so swollen. Things were thrown at me. And she goes, I felt it was a rock. She goes, it was a brick and it hit the side of her face. And she said, and here we are. And she goes, and we're in this neighborhood and there's only black people marching the street and everyone else is white. She said, "But then this wonderful woman," she said she had blonde hair and blue eyes ran out of her house and she said, and she had seen what happened to me and she said, and she brought a frozen piece of meat out

of her freezer and she said, "Sweetheart, sweetheart, just put this on the side of your face and tilt it this way." But she but she looked at my auntie. She said, "Well, now I know what I'm getting up to do tomorrow." And basically she's like, I needed to almost see this

to really realize this is real and this is unjust and this is not right. You know what what are we doing? So that moment became a light bulb moment for somebody else.

Yes. You know, and so when I I'm so grateful that my family shared stories with me. I'm so grateful that my mother, you know, she had I talked about in the book where she had the great wall in her house and it was paying homage to so many people who came before me and also knowing you are not a victim. You, these people, all these people on this wall, they had no freedoms, no nothing. And they're the best scientists. They're the best doctors. They're the best lawyers and the best entrepreneurs. You have Harriet Tubman who not only did the Underground Railroad, but she also was a spy and helped us win the war. And she would go into all these people of, you know, and name everybody and say, "You need to go out of our house knowing the shoulders that you stand on and be grateful and show up in the world as that person. I'm not waiting for the school to tell you anything. I'm going to tell you where you're from

and I'm going to have encyclopedias and books and letters and photos or what have you." But I think that is what's happening is when you do not honor the sacrifices of other people and think that everything is just owed to you and you just wake up every day. Remember our grandparents, nobody had the fact that we have running water and you can turn on your water and it turns hot. My dad, my dad didn't even understand the the coffee machine when he came to live with us. He was looking at the coffee machine and he was pushing the button and I go, "Dad, you push the button." He goes, "Wait, what?" Like, "You put the pod in and it goes in here and you close it and you push the button." And he said, "Unbelievable.

This is modern technology." But for him, he's like, "No, we didn't we couldn't even have I didn't have indoor plumbing." He goes, "I didn't have heat. I didn't have anything." He goes, "Yes, of course, I grew up with it later." But for him, he was like, "You have to know where Everybody needs to remember where they come from

and that we all did this for you." And the idea that it wasn't that long ago you and your husband couldn't have been married.

Could not have been married. And again that is in our lifetime 60 years ago. I mean you know so it's it's a again I think people just need to re reconnect and I think that's why history is so important.

You know when I was reading this part of your book I and and what you just shared I think is one of the most profound things I've ever heard. like literally one of the most profound things I've ever heard because it's so easy for all of us whether we're in our 60s or 20s or 30s or 40s to be like, "Oh, the country is this." No matter how you feel politically, I feel like it doesn't even matter. There's this collective like, "Oh, this or we haven't made progress or this is, oh, our country sucks. Oh, like there's just such a and there's almost an addiction to problems that a lot of people have or their significance from problems." what you just said is one of the most profound things I've ever heard because it for me it's also just a way to be like oh get back into that place of truth and gratitude which you said uh a disconnect from other people's sacrifice

it's that is one of the most profound things I have ever heard and I feel like okay next time I am watching the news and feeling like, you know, all hell's breaking loose. Whatever I'm feeling, I feel like just reminding myself of that because I know that is true in my body, my soul, my spirit, in my mind, that is true.

When we reconnect with other people's sacrifice, to have what we have, for our country to look the way it is for our rights, for our freedoms, for our everything, right? For the ability to do nothing.

For the ability to do nothing. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I disconnected from other people's sacrifice. Which is why your dad's book title, You're [ __ ] welcome.

[ __ ] welcome. You're [ __ ] welcome. Basically sums that up. I'm going to write the book. I actually am just going to write the book. I have all his I think there's a movie that goes with that. But like that sums it up because it's like, oh yeah, you're right. Yeah,

you're right. We can't be. And and you don't want to wake up that way. I I I I literally just said to Ted the other day cuz he was starting to get in the wakes up first thing. He's looking at his phone and I said to him,

you're waking up and you're as soon as you open your email or anything before you say thank you for the day, before you take a shower, you're literally letting 8 billion people and their energy and their nonsense into your brain. And then that changes your energy and your vibration for the day. I don't even look at my phone now. I'm like, whatever. I'm grateful to be alive. Thank you that I have a roof over my head. Thank you that I have a family. Thank you that I have friends. I have a car I can There's so many things that I focus on what I have and what I can do

versus not. And of course, I want things to be it's like the movie The 68 that I made. There was nothing The reason we love telling the story, there was nothing fair, right, or just for these women at that time.

Nothing. country didn't love him. No one cared. They didn't stop Jamie for one second and say, "I'm not going to be excellent. I'm not going to be great because, you know, no one's appreciating me anyway." No, they were the opposite. And they knew their greatness and they appreciated their life force. And I love that they decided to be patriotic, fight for their country, love their country, help win the war, and with knowing that we're probably not going to get any accolades and we're not going to get a thank you, but they lived and they did the right thing and they did a significant thing and that's why we gave them their flowers. That's why we are going to make this movie. And again, it's living my thank you. That's what I That's why I do what I do. It's why I make the movies that I make because I just I want to say thank you to so many people for showing up for me to be able to live the life that I have.

I do not take one second for granted. Not one. Your book is in so many ways a thank you also to everyone who reads it. like you just I feel like it's one of those books where

your life shifts in so many ways and then you see things where you're like oh wow I have the power to shift my life or I have the power to shift my perspective or I have the power uh to do that I want to um the last question that I want to ask you today um I that's not true there's a hundred more and I literally I don't think I've looked at I I think I'm like all right so we've got to one of the questions on my card cuz you say every day that you pray things are in divine order that you ask for divine intelligence and divine grace.

Can you share that prayer with us? Because I think a lot of people are going to hear those three things and start and they're going to write them down and that that will now become their prayer every day. That means for you.

I mean for me every Well, it's so funny today. It was interesting you asked that because today I asked the divine, I said, "Please speak through me and behave through me during this podcast

and I surrender unto you." And I asked for divine intelligence, divine grace and divine love to guide me and direct me and protect me today, but work through us today. Yes. during our conversation. And I notice that every time I do that and every day, I do want to be covered with divine order because I might think in my human mind, this is going to be the best thing for me, for my family, for my work or whatever. And I still will put the intention out always, but I always will end with thy will be done. this or something even better

because sometimes we miss things, you know, if we only want it our way and it's so rigid and it's just in our little box and it has to happen this way and the whole universe is thinking you just we see everything. We're the GPS. You don't even know what's around the corner and you're saying it has to be on lane A, but on lane C, the gift is there, but you think it's highway A,

but it's on C, but but it's okay if you if you're preparing for lane A or highway A, but if you give it up and say this or something even better, it opens up for you to end up on C. That's what I've noticed. So that's why I bring that prayer into my life every day of I want divine love to rule my heart. I love I want divine wisdom to rule my mind. I want divine love to rule my body to rule to rule my energy. I always call it in though. And I notice when I don't and I I mean it might be because I'm too rushed in the morning. Oh, I have a Zoom call at 6:00 a.m. Oh, I have this. It does. It takes two seconds of just calling in the divine. Just I'm grateful for today. Thank you for today. let's do this together today. And it makes such a huge difference even if I have to have a hard conversation with somebody.

I always ask the divine to prepare the other person's heart for what I need to express and I pray that there's divine understanding. Doesn't mean that there's divine agreement.

Doesn't mean but there's an understanding and a respect. And I've just noticed that it's it's such an easy prayer and an important prayer because then I do believe we are co-creators. So I do believe we co-create with the universe and and that is why our words and our thoughts and our actions and our behaviors all of a sudden it does become your life because most of the time the universe is like okay so if you believe you're great you are and if you don't okay it's not bias it doesn't it's it's you have to that's why your book I mean just the believing your worth if it doesn't matter if everybody believes something about you if you don't believe it

it doesn't matter matter. So, we get to choose. My My parents taught me the greatest lesson was own your individuality.

Own your There's only one, Nicole. There's only one, Jamie. It's like never It's not There's no one else. That's why your fingerprints work. That's what my mom used to say. Why do you think your fingerprints work? Because no one else has your fingerprint.

No one else has the DNA. So, own it. this or something better. This or something better.

That is such a a powerful addition to every prayer. Yeah. Or to every manifestation.

This or something. This or something better. This or something even better. I remember before I met Ted,

that opens a space for the divine to give us It opens up everything. I remember I said about Teddy right before he came into my life.

I remember I shifted the prayer and I said because I was I was saying, "Oh, I'd love a relationship. This this this." And then I finally said, "Okay, I know I definitely want my equal or even higher,

but I am not going down. I am no longer going down to this. I'm not trying to fix this type of thing. I'm not trying to get to this energy anymore. I have learned the lessons. I am done. But I'd love my equal or someone higher, this or something better." And I wrote every single thing out, every characteristic, everything. and I placed it in my Bible and it's still there 15 years later and the paper is all worn but I have it and it's beautiful and Ted is it's everything. I was very specific.

How did you two meet? Oh lord. We met at We met through a mutual friend and I was working at um we met when President well he was Senator Obama and he just got the nomination to be president and Ted showed up at an event and he was late and everyone kept saying we're waiting for Ted Sarandos. I said who? Ted Sarandos. I go who is Ted Sarandos? I don't know who he is. And everyone said oh he's from Netflix. I go I don't care. I'm a Blockbuster girl. I remember saying that. I go I don't care. I like to go to Blockbuster. forget Ted.

He doesn't get the photo because he was so late. And then he walked in, Jamie. And he was so kind and so humble. He said, "Hi, I'm Ted." I go, "Oh, Sarand." I was like, "Do you want your photo? Hold on." And I remember running up to the senator and I said, "Can you please um just this Ted Sarand take a picture?" And I looked at him. I go, "You're late and you're ruining my event." And he was just, "Who is this?" And we we went out the next week and we were married a year less than a year later.

Wow. It was just but you know I had really prayed for him and I and I had done the work on myself

and so I knew what I was I I knew my worth and I knew what was good for my energy and it didn't matter if somebody made sense on paper.

Yeah. Energetically it had to make sense. And I tested my feelings. I tested my soul every time after Ted would leave my space of Yeah. didn't take me down. Didn't take me down. It was either he was right here or we're going here. But he was

Did you guys know right away? Did you feel like you knew right away like that day?

I knew I knew that he was going to be a very important person in my life. I was hoping that there would be something. I was like, "Oh, I think this is I think this is going to be a very serious relationship. This is my guy." And I knew even if it wasn't. And I knew I really loved him because I said a prayer for him saying, "If it's not me,

please send him someone really great because he's a really great man." Wow. Wow.

Yeah. Did he know right away? Yes. Yes, he did. And then you're married under a year.

We're Yeah. And then I went to the Bahamas and then I moved and then but I mean it became all of a sudden week out together our souls got together and things took off for both of us. Just completely took off in our careers and again we had to declare at that time I said well I'm moving to the Bahamas to be the US ambassador. And he said okay I can come every week or every two weeks. And I said I don't know what we're doing but let's say yes to it. And then we just we said, "No matter what,

we're going to stay together and we're going to figure this out as we go." And we did.

Wow. Yeah. Again, you said it then. Yeah. We just It's declarations are a big thing

for me. It's It helps me heal myself. It helps me when I need to ask for forgiveness from somebody else or be aware. I need to declare what's happened. I need I just said it to Ted the other. I go, "Teddy, we were at this dinner party and I have manners and I feel horrible." He said, 'What are you talking about? I said, 'I didn't speak to the person on my left. I said maybe two things and I feel but I know better and I just was so I was in this conversation with somebody across, but I I didn't stop to look at the person, but I noticed I had to say it. I had to make it real by saying it and acknowledging and not beating myself up.

Yeah. But I had to be aware of that was so rude and disrespectful. And I was was never my intention to be rude and disrespectful, but I was totally unaware.

Mhm. And I noticed when I declare things, yes, it helps me become centered and aware. And when you declare it, it's tr it's true. It's you have to speak it.

Yeah. Even if it's about yourself, you have to tell yourself the truth about what you've done or what you've thought or what you've said that needs correction. And I think a lot of us have gotten away from that too of don't always say sorry. Don't over apologize. Say sorry for the things that you were wrong about.

You don't have to say sorry about everything. You don't have to use the word sorry. But if you're wrong

Yeah. Yes. You need to say sorry. You need to apologize. There's so many incredible takeaways from this conversation. And declaring declaring we're staying together no matter what is a big one. declaring this or something better.

This or something better. It has changed. Honestly, that prayer has changed my life all the time. Actually, this or something better because it's either I get what I want. Or I go through something and I think it's worse and then a flower shows up and it's better. Someone will leave my life and then I think, wait, why did this person leave? Wait, what's going on? I just said this or better. Wait a minute. But something had to leave or someone and then the other door can open. But divine order and divine love

are I just invite divine order into everything. I do. And even in the worst of times, even in the worst of times, the best of times and the worst of times, it never fails.

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