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Last Update on the Left - Episode 10 - Amityville Reloaded

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Last Update on the Left - Episode 10 - Amityville Reloaded", an episode of Last Podcast On The Left published January 2, 2026 (1 h 1 min, about 12,428 words). It mentions 69 people, works and ideas, including Amityville, George Lutz, Ronnie DeFao, Joseph Christopher, Quince.

What this episode is about

"Amityville Reloaded" explores the chilling narrative of a beloved family chimpanzee named Ben who unexpectedly turns against his owners, showcasing the intense and shocking twists of the horror film "Primeate," which has garnered critical acclaim with a 92% rating on Rotten Tomatoes and premiered to rave reviews. The synopsis captures the film's unsettling blend of intelligence and horror, posing the question of what goes wrong in familiar relationships when primal instincts are unleashed.

Key takeaways

  • Beware: Ben's human-like antics in Primeate blur the line between pet and predator.
  • Erggo Pro: Massage your way to dreamland, because counting sheep isn't getting any cheaper!
  • Hunting Party's killer premiere: Brace yourself for a prison break that ups the ante for thrillers.
  • Got rings? Let 'em jangle in line—coffee's better home-brewed for millionaires.
  • Donna Summer's surname: An accidental typo that crowned her the queen of disco!

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Donna Summer, Amityville, Age of Aquarius, Erggo Pro Smart Base
  2. – 20:00: Amityville, Ronnie DeFao, Long Island Medium, Long Island Medium
  3. – 30:00: Better Help, Mint Mobile, .35 Marlin rifle, Bert Lancaster
  4. – 40:00: Amityville, George Lutz, Adam Ray, Christopher Lutz
  5. – 50:00: Amityville, George Lutz, Squarespace, The Amityville Horror
  6. – 1:00:00: Amityville, George Lutz, Joseph Christopher, The Amityville Horror
  7. – 1:01:16: Heather Neighbor Grace, Instagram, Long Island Medium, Long Island Medium

Notable quotes from "Last Update on the Left - Episode 10 - Amityville Reloaded"

  • Of can is that the lead singer of K was also in a German production of hair with Donna Summer and Donna Summer's first ever single was a German version of the Age of Aquarius called Doss Vosaman which translates literally to the water man.
    about Donna Summer · at
  • So was she shot in the head by Ronnie DeFao?
    about Ronnie DeFao · at
  • It. I think it's good. Well, just so when we covered the Amityville horror back in the day, what we started realizing as we researched cuz just so you just to catch you up on…
    about Amityville · at
  • That's Can I Has the Long Island Medium ever been to the Amityville House?
    about Long Island Medium · at
  • This is an ad by BetterHelp. A new year is a new opportunity to feel lighter.
    about Better Help · at
  • Well that was the kind of it started with that he got really George Lutz was kind of he's a very weird man.
    about George Lutz · at
  • This was, of course, [ __ ] We talked about this, we talked about this recently on the Warren, and this is partly why we're talking about this is because we did just recently…
    about Warren · at
  • Of the Amityville story, the a couple of them have come out and spoken publicly, specifically Christopher Lutz, who changed his name to Christopher Quarantino, which is a fun name.
    about Joseph Christopher · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • George Lutz — Person · 11 mentions · first at
  • Ronnie DeFao — Person · 6 mentions · first at
  • Joseph Christopher — Person · 6 mentions · first at
  • Donna Summer — Person · 4 mentions · first at
  • Long Island Medium — Person · 3 mentions · first at
  • Jay Anson — Person · 2 mentions · first at
    Was a paranormal story here. It's just not the one that they told. It's not the one that Jay Anson told cuz I think he had his own narrative in mind because George Lutz did…
  • Bella Thorne — Person · 2 mentions
  • Dawn DeFeo — Person · 2 mentions
  • Ronnie Butch DeFeo Jr. — Person · 2 mentions
  • Sophia Rob — Person · 2 mentions
  • Rebecca Henderson — Person · 1 mention · first at
    My name is Special Agent Rebecca Henderson.
  • Marcus Sparks — Person · 1 mention · first at
    I'm Marcus Sparks with the Nepo baby Henry Zakrasi. Yeah, just me, Sydney Sweeney, hanging out with oldfashioned Paris Hilton and Kirk Douglas.
  • Henry Zakrasi — Person · 1 mention · first at
    I'm Marcus Sparks with the Nepo baby Henry Zakrasi. Yeah, just me, Sydney Sweeney, hanging out with oldfashioned Paris Hilton and Kirk Douglas.
  • Kirk Douglas — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Nepo baby Henry Zakrasi. Yeah, just me, Sydney Sweeney, hanging out with oldfashioned Paris Hilton and Kirk Douglas.
  • Mark DeFeo — Person · 1 mention · first at
    So, they go into the boy's bedroom. They found the bodies of 9 and 12year-old John and Mark DeFeo. That's Ronnie DeFao's brothers. They're both lying face down with a single…
  • Bert Lancaster — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Home from work with an upset stomach the day before. he stayed up late watching a Bert Lancaster movie. I don't know which movie that would have been though. But do you know much about Bert Lancaster?
  • Louis Fellini — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Police at first Hey, not for nothing, but my family pissed off this mafia hitman named Louis Fellini. Maybe you ought to go look at Louis Fellini. I might be in trouble here. I might be in danger.
  • Jeff Nitsburg — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Think that what he actually did was stuff that like my one of my best friends, Jeff Nitsburg, his dad was what they called a Juboo, which is Jewish Buddhist, and he went full on into Buddhism. And then like I've never heard that.
  • Adam Ray — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Well, they say that it actually began as soon as they moved in. that Father Ray heard the deep voice saying, Get out. [clears throat] and then when closing the window after the blessing, the eldest Lutz boy had.
  • William Weber — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Less than a month after they ran out of the house, they were in contact with Butch DeFao's defense attorney, William Weber, and he wanted to combine their stories to create a insanity plea and to make a lot of money in the process.
  • Christopher Lutz — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Of the Amityville story, the a couple of them have come out and spoken publicly, specifically Christopher Lutz, who changed his name to Christopher Quarantino, which is a fun name.
  • Christopher Quarantino — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Them have come out and spoken publicly, specifically Christopher Lutz, who changed his name to Christopher Quarantino, which is a fun name.
  • Sister Dolores — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Oh, okay. No. No. I got Sister Dolores.
  • Kurtwood Smith — Person · 1 mention · first at
    They do not. Oh, Kurtwood Smith. They don't love it.
  • Heather Neighbor Grace — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Oh, McKenna Grace. Of course, they got her in there. She plays the creepy little girl in every movie.
  • Allison DeFeo — Person · 1 mention
  • Herb Baumeister — Person · 1 mention
  • James Brolin — Person · 1 mention
  • John DeFeo — Person · 1 mention
  • Marvin Heemeyer — Person · 1 mention
  • Thomas Mann — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

  • The Amityville Horror — Book · 5 mentions · first at
    I like it. I'm better at this and I like it. I think it's good. Well, just so when we covered the Amityville horror back in the day, what we started realizing as we researched…
  • In Cold Blood — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Point the biggest non-fiction true crime. the only thing you could maybe compare it to is like In Cold Blood. Yeah. which of course was a massive hit and that had been about 10…

Companies & orgs

  • Quince — Company · 6 mentions
  • Sling — Company · 6 mentions
  • Tempur-Pedic — Company · 4 mentions
  • Long Island Medium — Company · 3 mentions · first at
    That's Can I Has the Long Island Medium ever been to the Amityville House?
  • Better Help — Company · 3 mentions · first at
  • Mint Mobile — Company · 2 mentions · first at
    Nation's largest 5G network. Same network, same provider. I'm doing it. It is honestly save money on a Mint Mobile.
  • DSW — Company · 2 mentions
  • quince.com/last — Company · 2 mentions
  • Rotten Tomatoes — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Of horror film that shocks you when you least expect it. It's already sitting at 92% on Rotten Tomatoes and premiered to rave reviews at festivals worldwide. Go see Prime8 in…
  • tempropedic.com — Company · 1 mention · first at
    The Tempropedic New Year event. Save up to $500 on select adjustable mattress sets. Shop now at tempropedic.com.
  • New York City Sanitation Department — Company · 1 mention · first at
    There's nothing wrong with a New York City sanitation department. I think what an efficient system. Well, speaking of bodies, at 6:30 p.m. on November.
  • betterhelp.com/lastpod — Company · 1 mention · first at
  • mitmobile.com/lpotl — Company · 1 mention · first at
  • Beetlejuice — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Phenomena would kind of happen quietly in your home base your family basically the end of Beetlejuice.
  • Nevada District Court — Company · 1 mention · first at
    But George had trademarked Amityville horror the year before and so he sued his stepson in Nevada district court.
  • Instagram — Company · 1 mention · first at
    LP on the left is where all our socials are. Tik Tok and Instagram [ __ ] LPN LPNTV twitch.tv/lpnv.
  • Academy Award — Company · 1 mention
  • FBI — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

  • Marlin rifle — Product · 2 mentions · first at
    It also depends on the type of gun. It's like it's like a It was a Marlin rifle.
  • Erggo Pro Smart Base — Product · 1 mention · first at
    Struggling to fall asleep? Meet the Erggo Pro Smart Base from Tempropedic.
  • .35 Marlin rifle — Product · 1 mention · first at
    Yeah. And when they told Butch they found the murder weapon and the bullets 35 Marlin rifle. Butch said that Fellini had an accomplice who forced Butch to watch as he murdered…
  • Quince socks — Product · 1 mention
  • Quince sweatpants — Product · 1 mention
  • Reese's Peanut Butter Cups — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

  • Warren — Concept · 4 mentions · first at
  • The Exorcist — Concept · 2 mentions · first at
    Paranormal stories from this time period on the goddamn Exorcist. They look at immediately the exorcist happened in 1973. So once the ex that's when that came out the…
  • Age of Aquarius — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    Donna Summer and Donna Summer's first ever single was a German version of the Age of Aquarius called Doss Vosaman which translates literally to the water man.
  • Lutz family — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    Hurt him. And that was around the time that this attorney got a hold of the Lutz family. Now this is when the story was concocted which is it is interesting because the Lutz…
  • Hair — Concept · 1 mention
  • Jodie — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

  • Amityville — Place · 20 mentions · first at
  • Henry's Bar — Place · 1 mention · first at
    Of bodies, at 6:30 p.m. on November 13th 1974 the patrons of Henry's Bar in Amityville, New York, were alerted to Ronnie Butch DeFao Jr. yelling, YOU GOT TO HELP ME. I THINK MY MOM AND DAD WAS SHOT. IT'S STILL ONE OF MY FAVORITE.
  • LES — Place · 1 mention

Sponsors

  • Squarespace — Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at
    You do that. Visit sling.com to learn more. This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace. Whether you're just starting out or scaling your business, Squarespace is the…
  • DSW — Sponsor · 1 mention
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Full transcript with timestamps

What's wrong with Ben? In Primeate, a beloved family chimp suddenly turns. Everything they taught him, he's now using against them. Primeate is smart, intense, and packed with jaw-dropping moments. Ben is calculating, powerful, and disturbingly human. This is the kind of horror film that shocks you when you least expect it. It's already sitting at 92% on Rotten Tomatoes and premiered to rave reviews at festivals worldwide. Go see Prime8 in theaters January 9th. When it hits theaters, do not wait. Grab a seat and bring someone you could squeeze during the scary parts.

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My name is Special Agent Rebecca Henderson. Thursday on NBC. There was an explosion at a top secret prison. Some of the most infamous killers broke free.

The hunting party is back. We're going in loud. FBI. The stakes have never been higher.

The longer they're out there, the more dangerous they're going to become. And the killers never seen anything like this before.

Not even close. have never been more twisted. This is Next Level. The Hunting Party, the thrilling season premiere Thursday on NBC.

That's when the cannibalism started. Last update on the left. Honestly, if I came for money, I think everyone would know. The rings do the talking.

Jangle jangle. Sorry. Sorry. My bracelet cut your daughter. Shouldn't be trying to get past me in the Starbucks line. It's my bracelet. I DON'T CARE. I DON'T CARE. I CAN MAKE COFFEE AT HOME. SURE. Better coffee than this because of my $1 million coffee machine. But unfortunately, no. I'm here amongst the villagers. Welcome to the last out.

Welcome to the last update on the left. I'm Marcus Sparks with the Nepo baby Henry Zakrasi. Yeah, just me, Sydney Sweeney, hanging out with oldfashioned Paris Hilton and Kirk Douglas.

Yeah, you're just sitting there on all your that whacken hut money. You're not.

Yeah, you're just sitting there like, "Oh man, you guys have no idea what kind of inheritance you can get off of NYPD pension."

Yep. It's actually not that bad. No. the bull. No, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Your cop's pension's pretty good. It's fine. But he I mean, at least I know thanks to my mom. She says, "Don't worry, your funeral's paid for."

Like, great. And we're here with Ed Larson, who, as I understand, paid for his mother's funeral

and my father's. Wow. You're like an executive producer. It was Your mother's funeral was the funniest funeral I've ever attended.

Thank you. It was it was a good one. You know, I did I had some jokes, you know, we had some moves. Had a good time. Passed out some Reese's butt uh peanut butter cups.

It was awesome. Yeah, really. Honestly, it was a really good show, bro. It was an awesome [ __ ] funeral.

It really was the best one I've ever been to. Yeah, it really was. You threw a great funeral on.

Lots of pizza and [ __ ] I can't wait to get to do another one. And I can't wait till I get to do yours. So,

yeah. Well, you wait. You wait. There's going to be some people dying soon. I'm really excited. I'm really getting into the year.

Yeah, I'm ready for 2024. Yeah. Yeah. In June. I'm ready. Get me out there. I started at the gym.

Nice. Yeah. Well, today the subject that we are revisiting. And this is I wouldn't necessarily say that this is an update. I would say that another way to refer to this show is not just last update on the left, but last expansion on the left.

Interesting. I love to playfully expand things with my friends. Yes. Well, also you're explaining it to me, so that's good.

Well, yes, we're also explaining all this stuff. Much of this stuff is brand new to Ed. So, you know, we're we're bringing him in. But yeah, this is it's kind of a lot like how on No Dogs, we'll do like kind of Kota episodes to series where, you know, because they'll there'll be cool things that, you know, we'll have to cut out. Like for example, like one of the cool things that we're having I think we might have to cut out of can is that the lead singer of K was also in a German production of hair with Donna Summer and Donna Summer's first ever single was a German version of the Age of Aquarius called Doss Vosaman which translates literally to the water man.

That's incredible. It's the It's a [ __ ] dude in this version is so [ __ ] good. It's Donna Summer. It's like a decade before I feel love.

What? Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah. It's really I mean it's [ __ ] incredible. That's actually if we I may get a little bit more into that.

We're already here. So funny. You have jumped into the thing you were cutting from no dogs and you're putting it onto this show and we're probably doing less to do with it and we're going to have to cut this probably this time from this episode.

No, this is just something that is a little bit We're just going to give you a little bit of a a bit a freebie. Yeah. Uh Donna,

it's already free. I will say no. No dogs is free. We have podcasts. You can get them.

That's right. Donna Summer, her name actually comes because she her the name Summer comes from the German man that she married because she lived in Germany for like many many many years. She married a man named Smer and when her first single was released, it was misprinted as Summer. And so she figured that sounds a lot better. That looks a lot better. And so she was Donna Summer from then on.

Oh, I just thought it was cuz she was hot. So was she shot in the head by Ronnie DeFao?

No, but it's very possible that right before Ronnie DeFao killed his entire family, he may have been listening to I feel loved. He may have been listening to Donna Summer.

Could have been on at the bar when he went. He's like, "Oh my god, I MY ALMOST DEFECATED MYSELF."

I love Donna Summer though. I love Donna Summer's incredible. Yeah. What's not to love?

Yeah. Well, okay. So, let's go through. Why don't we like How do you want to Do we want to just kind of go through the

AM overview? Overview because when we surprisingly enough, I've never even seen the movie.

Whoa. You've never seen the movie? It's like it's like the one like classic horror movie I've never seen.

It's wonderful. You should really watch it. It's one of the best haunted house movies ever.

I'll I'll actually say I think it's a little overrated. I like it. I'm better at this and I like it. I think it's good. Well, just just so you know, when we covered the Amityville horror back in the day, what we started realizing as we researched cuz just so you just to catch you up on before we catch Eddie up is that when we did that series partially, it was we were at the time totally convinced that it was one of the most legit hauntings of all time cuz that's all we had ever heard. We had heard it from the news. We had heard it from our parents. We had heard it from our kids' friends. It was and throughout all of pop culture that the look of that house with the two eyes that look like the two windows that look like eyes. It haunted entire generations and then generations after. And we thought like, oh, this will be great because we're always looking for good, meaty paranormal stories to tell on the

sto on the show. And it was for us a very significant story because it was probably one of the first times that we popped open the guts of a story and we realized like, oh, it's actually not about the haunting at all. about the true crime story that's at the center of this.

Yeah. Nothing scarier than real estate. Hey Tunes.com. But yeah, we did really did like I actually remember like starting to look into this story and being like flabbergasted uh that the whole thing was

kind of a hoax on the part of the Lutzes. I mean, not necessarily a hoax, but rather was blown out so much by the Lutzes and how this had kind of been common knowledge for many years, but you know, that's one of the things that we sort of find on last podcast again and again is that the myth often persists so much longer than the truth. But, you know, one myth turns into another, turns into another, and before you know it, everyone thinks Ed Gene's a cannibal when he's not.

Yeah. Uh, so to give you a little bit of an overview of what happened before the Lutzes moved in, the story that the Lutzes built upon was the murder perpetrated by Ronnie Butch DeFeo.

I love a Butch. Yeah, I had an Uncle Butch. How was he? Stead when he was alive.

How was How was he? He was a lesbian. He was um honestly loved him. Yeah, loved him. He was great. Super fun. He always gave me a lot of money for Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. He was uh in the He was in the sanitation department management.

Good money. Did that mean Does that mean that he got like some fun [ __ ] off of the on the sidewalk?

Yes. He always had free weird [ __ ] Remember he had a big flat screen TV that he fixed? I always remember that. Always like he gave us toys that he got out of the dump.

That's great. It was awesome. It was all fixed. Yeah. He went he got it fixed. Yeah.

He got stuff out of the dump. He fixed it up. Yeah. But also largely he was in management. By the time he got to management, you make good money. Yeah, look like six figures. Especially back in the 80s. That was good money. Especially when you hide bodies.

Oh, hey. There's nothing wrong with a New York City sanitation department. I think what an efficient system. Well, speaking of bodies, at 6:30 p.m. on November 13th 1974 the patrons of Henry's Bar in Amityville, New York, were alerted to Ronnie Butch DeFao Jr. yelling, "YOU GOT TO HELP ME. I THINK MY MOM AND DAD WAS SHOT." IT'S STILL ONE OF MY FAVORITE ACTOUTS I got to do of him coming in and fighting all the men cuz when we did the original series and he comes in being LIKE YOU GOT HELP AND IT WAS LIKE ALL THE GUYS trying to help him park and there's all the Long Island idiots.

Long Island is a special special dumb place. You know Rob I love Long Island. Long Island for me from being from Queens Long Island was like the Hamptons to me. Long Island

Hamptons are in Long Island technically. I know you won't tell them. Don't tell people in the Hamptons.

Actually, being Karolina, like when we got when we finally like bought a car like after CO, we would go out to Long Island because that's where the good grocery stores are.

That's fancy. That's where it was. It was fancy. Yeah. But the But now I know it was not. Now I know it was just a working- class neighborhood.

We thought that was a correction I'll give immediately. We said the Amityville House was in an affluent neighborhood. And I think that was because we were really, really, really broke when we did the episode. And now we're not as broke. expensive house BEDROOMS HOUSE.

I WENT in like 2022. It was I thought it was a super nice neighborhood. People got I got a lot of shade on. I think it's cuz there's you guys Long Island. Everybody has a different Everybody gets to fight.

There is a boat house. It's nice. I think in Long Island neighborhood. It's a nice neighborhood.

Yeah, it's nice. Now, thank you for coming in, Rob, and saying that it's nice. Long Island expert.

I've been there several times. Yes. And it's nice. It's very nice. All right. It's not.

That's Can I I Has the Long Island Medium ever been to the Amityville House? Actually, it's a really good question. Continue on. I'm gonna look it up.

All right. Well, the funny thing about him coming in and saying like, "You got to help me. Everyone help me." It's he came in like like panting like he just run from his house and everyone's like, "All right, great. Let's go outside." And he's parked right in front of the bar.

So, he sat out in front of the bar psyching himself up and like, "Okay, how's it going to look? I need to look as panicked as possible." Yeah.

So immediately under suspicion and so he asked everybody to help come help him. Five guys he brought to his home and they of course discovered that Ronnie DeFao's entire family was dead. They said they were overwhelmed by the stench of death as they reached the second floor because everyone had been dead for a couple of days. They [ __ ] turned on the light switch immediately found Ronnie Senior and Luis dead in their bed. Ronnie Senior had a gunshot wound in the center of his back. Uh, Luis was face down. They were both shot twice.

Luis was positioned where her chest was slightly raised. The medical examiner believed she may have been alive for several minutes after being shot. And her position indicated she may have been awoken, raised her body, and looked toward the killer before she died.

Well, according to this is the only island, this is the only uh answer I got from the Long Island medium visiting the Amityville said mostly about her having dinner. And so I'm hearing here reporting to her. This was this is before you go, I just want to read this statement from her, which I which I love. People ask me that question all the time when I'm over for dinner. Are you getting anything from my house? But nine times out of 10, it's just their loved ones that they are feeling. I have a cousin that passed away and he was a plumber. So when my toilet runs randomly, I know it's him. But sometimes it is more than that. I walked into a home and all I saw at first was a white light, a flash of blood on the walls and a priest standing in the corner. I asked about the history of the home and it turned out that there had been a murder and a suicide there. But the house had been blessed by a priest. It was a

beautiful home. It was full of positive energy. It's not haunted. Wait, so she said that even though it was black, she still saw the blood stain.

Yeah. And the massacre. Yeah. Yeah. The massacre. And And she saw And she saw the priest, too.

Yeah. So what did it? So the priest, all the priest did was add to the haunting.

Yes. But Oh, but it's nice. It's a comforting present. I just love to see him. I love my color.

My god. You know, they had the shag carpeting in there, which I think is sometimes trashy, but when it's white, it's if you can keep it clean.

If you can keep it clean. If you could just get the damn these animals. These kids animals coming in here. Yeah. That's why I got the plastic sheeting on the this plastic sheeting floor. This plastic sheeting over the television. I got plastic sheeting over all the plants. I got plastic cleaning over the lamp.

Said nice. Did you have plastic sheeting on the lamps? No, but my family, my grandmother had a bunch of plastic sheeting on a bunch of stuff.

It was the plastic sheeting was on the lamps. It was I mean it there was a plastic cube over the television. And I don't know what it's not like we were a bunch of elephant seals.

Like I don't know what she thought we were going to do to the surface of the television a glass cube in the middle of the living room. Wait, so you had to wa you had to watch TV through a sheet of plastic?

There was like an enc casement. It was in this like thing, but I remember the screen was not obscured by the plastic.

No, but the thing the top of it was it was in this plastic hutch and there was plastic on the couch and there was literally plastic on the carpet.

There was plastic on everything in those houses. It had to be pristine and and all the closets were filled with mothballs.

Yes. And it was nothing was used. There was good plates that couldn't be used cuz we weren't good enough. rooms you weren't allowed to

Couldn't go into them. Couldn't There was that my grandmother had a room we weren't allowed to enter because just of my fat legs, just my shitty little mouth would ruin that place.

Yeah. And all those houses, they also have like a room before you even get in the house.

The ante room. Oh my god. I am so glad I grew up in dirt. It's just different. I just like just like think like just thinking back on just like how [ __ ] filled our houses were with like sand and dirt. My mom and my grandmother would happily have vacuumed me every morning. They would have happily have honestly cleaned my very body inch by inch.

Wow. I mean, not and not even not the dick. I mean, I got hosed off plenty. Yeah,

that's different. Oh, we weren't hosed. We were threatened with the hose. I've been hosed off.

Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. Yes, I was covered in ants. That's different. So, they discovered Ronnie's parents upstairs dead, gunshot wound. Honestly, how would you even know if a Long Island father was planning to kill the whole family if the whole place was covered in plastic? It already is.

Yeah, that's a great idea. That's why they do it. Just in case they kill their family blow a guy's brain out nicely.

So, they go into the boy's bedroom. They found the bodies of 9 and 12year-old John and Mark DeFeo. That's Ronnie DeFao's brothers. They're both lying face down with a single bullet shot wound. And the reason why I'm going through all the, you know, where everybody was found and how they were found, it's very much gerine to the arguments that are made later on as to who perpetrated these crimes and who all was involved in these crimes. So those boys were both killed at close range. And then they found the two girls. They found Allison and Dawn. They were both found face down in their bed. Allison, 13, was once shot in the face. Bullet entered the left cheek, moved into her right ear, tore through her brain. The bullet exited, ripped through the mattress, hit the wall, and ricocheted on the floor. Dawn, 18, was shot in the back of the neck. Bullet entered below her left ear and blasted through the

left temple onto the pillow. Left side of her face collapsed and brain particles and blood saturated the pillow. So they walk in, everybody is dead in their beds.

Yeah. And they've all been killed the same night. Yes. And he goes, "Oh no." Oh my god. Who gonna Oh, it's me.

Yeah. But all right. I have a question. How do you execute six people and no one gets out of bed?

And that's been diamonds. It's a demon. Yeah. And that's been the question behind the Ronnie DeFao murders for, you know, going on almost 50 years now. Do you understand how often it happens in family annihilations? It actually happens way way more often than you think. And partially I was reading about this because I I wanted to know because recently I read this horrific story about a British multi-millionaire who um you know obviously [ __ ] everything up, had you know was embezzling all this very standard was about to lose everything. They all knew it was all coming crashing down. And so he killed his wife and his daughter. And then what he did was that he parked an RV in the driveway to the mansion where you'd have to come in so that the people couldn't come in. And then what he did is he shot all the animals. He shot all the horses.

He shot all everything else that lived on the entire thing. He set the whole place on fire. But part and then he said they burned down hellacious inferno. Everybody died inside. Same thing. The kids were shot and not and then one didn't hear and the other one were it was like not far from each other. And they talk about they believe there's a phenomena of something being so far outside of what you experience. Like when you ask a person that has never heard a gunshot what a gunshot sounds like, they say a bunch of different things. They see stuff on movies. That's not what a gun really sounds like. A gun kind of sounds like a clap.

Yeah. Right. Crack. Yeah. It also depends on the type of gun. It's like it's like a It was a Marlin rifle.

Yeah. But if you don't know the sound and you've never thought that this would be something that was something that you would ever experience, you'd actually be very surprised how much just you need your brain, the very brain itself trying to keep the status quo of your reality together and intact even when you're asleep that it might you might ignore something like that because it's so far outside. It's how people like accidentally sleep while their house sets on fire and stuff like that. because there's all of these. It's just it's not you're not expecting it. So, you don't even think that it's going to happen to you. And so, it's like you kind of don't see it.

And it also could be, you know, your super mean drug addict brother. You know, you hear a noise like, "Hey, what was that?" And you hear your [ __ ] super mean brother go, "Go back to sleep."

Yeah. And you're like, "All right." Yeah. All right. And then you go back to sleep

cuz you're a little kid. Yeah. Yeah. Except for Dawn, of course. But we'll get to Dawn later.

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Yeah. Uh he has said that it was a mob hit that it was some sort of like Well, they were connected. The family, right?

The family was super connected. Yeah, dude. [ __ ] He was Yeah, he was a weirdo.

Yeah. Well, so as far as how Butch started off, like he told police he was home from work with an upset stomach the day before. Uh, he stayed up late watching a Bert Lancaster movie. I don't know which movie that would have been though. But do you know much about Bert Lancaster?

I tell you one thing. I gotta tell you because I have it because of Dan they do Dana Carvey's impression of Bert Lancaster.

I know he was in a movie called Atlantic City. Okay. Which hadn't come out yet. So he didn't watch that.

All right. I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you what. I'm going to tell you right.

Wait. said that he fell asleep in the TV room around 2:00 a.m., woke up around 4:00 a.m. with stomach pains. Uh, saw his brother's wheelchair outside of the bathroom. His brother had just broken his leg, so he's in a wheelchair. And Butch heard the toilet flush. And the next morning, he decided to go back to work. After work, he saw his girlfriend and some of his friends. He was complaining throughout November 13th to his girlfriend and friends that he was unable to get a hold of his parents. So, he's kind of set in an alibi there.

cars were in the garage, but no one's answering the phone. And so he was taken to the police station for his own protection because he suggested to the police at first like, "Hey, you know, not for nothing, but my family pissed off this mafia hitman named Louis Fellini. Maybe you ought to go look at Louis Fellini. I might be in trouble here. I might be in danger."

You got to have to come up with a better fake mafioso name than Louis Fellini. I feel like it's like it's essentially called him Theo Spaghetti.

Like that is a very racist thing. Well, no, these were real people. Yeah. The way he made Americaord.

Yeah, I know. Well, also with also I find that um I forget though being from Queens, the kids I grew up with were like Anthony Amaretti, Bobby Babaresi. Like I miss those names.

Yeah. Well, Fellini and his family were family friends. They live with the DeFaos for some time after their home in Brooklyn burned down and Fellini buried a box of money and jewels in the DeFao home. Apparently, Butch got into an argument with Fellini after Fellini criticized a paint job that Butch did for him. Butch threw a paintbrush at Fellini, broke a window, and called him a [ __ ]

Whoa. That's how you get whacked. Yes. And Ronald Senior is like, "That's a professional hitman. You don't want to be [ __ ] with that guy." Uh, and Ronald Senior complained two weeks before the murders that he lost a friend that he had to tell Fellini that Ronald would murder Fellini's entire family if something happened to Butch and you know so on and so forth. Bing boom all of a sudden shooting the kids the guy he's getting shot and you're the guy he's yelling at everybody at the bar.

Uh, and Butch admitted like he's on probation. He admitted he was a heroin user. He said, "Yeah, I burglarize neighbors houses and I steal antiques." When they asked him how he passed his drug test, he admitted like, "My sister used to piss in a bag and I'd take that."

Um, and so basically the police are just kind of softening him up. They see immediately like, "Oh, this guy killed his entire family where they're just trying to soften him up, trying to get him to trying to just admit to like one thing and then the next thing and then the next thing." And then finally he was like, "Yeah, if I'm telling you all this stuff, I may as well be honest." Yeah, I murdered my family. It was me. I murdered everybody.

They said that killed them all. Of course. Killed them all. Kill them all. Oh, that's good.

Yeah, we're good. No, I've been It's like actually been my I've been doing it like with Karolina like all all the Yeah. [clears throat]

Hi, it's Bob. It's Bob. I couldn't see who could write something like that. Well, before Butch finally did come out and say, "Look, I write I killed my family." He kept telling police like, "Look for Fellini. Look for Fellini." And Butch at the same time, he would start to, you know, he would say his mother was a lousy cook. He say his brothers were [ __ ] pigs.

Yeah. Sure. Yeah. He was not a nice guy. He wasn't a good brother. No. No. called his sister a fat [ __ ] who played a music too loud.

There's no It's not a good reason to kill your sister. Yeah. And when they told Butch they found the murder weapon and the bullets 35 Marlin rifle. Butch said that Fellini had an accomplice who forced Butch to watch as he murdered his family. So it's the story just keeps changing, keeps evolving. Yeah.

And they asked if Fellini forced Butch to participate. Butch put his head in his hands, asked for a med minute, and then confessed to murdering his entire family. And of course, immediately after, Butch's attorney mounted an insanity defense claiming that DeFao heard voices who told him that his family was against him, that he was possessed, and he claimed that he killed them in self-defense because the demons were telling him that they were going to hurt him. And that was around the time that this attorney got a hold of the Lutz family. Now this is when the story was concocted which is it is interesting because the Lutz family they were also strange. They were very religious I believe that he had like then he had

well he was no he was way into the occult. Well that was the kind of it started with that he got really George Lutz was kind of he's a very weird man.

Yeah cuz he was really into like transcendental meditation and mantra chanting and [ __ ] like that.

He had a Christian stripe. It's a very 80s New York version of religion that my mom had too where it was like she had a lot of Christian iconography mixed into like weird wiccan stuff. Oh yeah.

Like chanting the name cuz what George Def or what George Lutz used to do is like he would sit and like chant like find demon names and like chant demon names over and over again. I mean, I take that with a grain of salt because I think that what he actually did was stuff that like my one of my best friends, Jeff Nitsburg, his dad was what they called a Juboo, which is Jewish Buddhist, and he went full on into Buddhism. And then like

I've never heard that. It kind of honestly made him an [ __ ] because he started believing that nothing existed. So then he would say stuff like, "Why are you guys making art and movies? Because it doesn't matter cuz life isn't real." And stuff like that. It was It was rough. That's too Buddhist.

Yeah. Too Buddhist. Too Buddhist. Tubu tubu and then also seems to be just a weird interpret. From my study of Buddhism, it seems to be like a weird interpretation of it and just an excuse. He doesn't sound like a Buddhist. He sounds like a nihilist.

He was Yeah. Yes. Buddhism as a reason he was poor. Yeah. A weapon against, you know, he was very rich actually. He did very very well. He was using it to attack his children and his children's friends. But when at the same time he had gotten all these mantras, that's what he would do. So he would go and do his meditation all day. Yeah.

So he go like from the other room. So I could see I could see George Lutz doing that and everyone being like he's an occult me like all he did was go to one weird thing in Queens like he saw some guy some some weird Yeah. Some guy taught about meditate.

All into it in the northeast. You know my whole Catholic family the Catholic side not the Jewish side is super into ghosts.

Oh yeah. They get mediums to come by the house all the time and stuff like that. Very It is very Catholicism is a very much a [ __ ] slippery slope to the occult cuz it is the occult.

It's a [ __ ] grimoire. We talked about this. You you do a Catholic exorcism. You arrive with the spell book and you're you have all the accutraant and you're doing spells at Yeah. You've got your special like you know you have your holy water which might as you know your alchemist [ __ ] pouch you know like it's Yeah. It's all the same [ __ ] It's all the same occult trappings. They all use the same thing.

But I feel it's a slippery slope, but that's where it kind of started. He had this kind of fascination with the occult. Now, where do they where do they say the actual phenomena began?

Well, they say that it actually began as soon as they moved in. Like, you know, that Father Ray heard the deep voice saying, "Get out." You know, [clears throat]

and then when closing the window after the blessing, the eldest Lutz boy had his hand crushed in the window sill. Like, the windows sill came down and crushed the boy. And then, you know, and then they started experiencing strange phenomena. The daughter Missy, she had a an imaginary friend. They called it a mysterious pig friend named Jodie.

I love ghost pig. Oh, we love ghost pigs. We love ghost pigs. Yes. Uh, and you know, the ghost pig spoke to her and told her of a little boy who lived in the house, met a brutal death, you know, so on and so forth. You know, they had all sorts of [ __ ] where there's, you know, they said the ceramic lions bit George on the calf, doors and windows would open and close randomly. the boys beds moved on their own, you know, and then after 28 days in the home, you know, very famously, they left with no more than the shirts on their backs.

They ran out of the house. They ran out of the house. And as it turned out, all this was, of course, [ __ ] We talked about this, we talked about this recently on the Warren, and this this is partly why we're talking about this is because we did just recently cover, you know, Amityville partly on the Warren, and we can kind of expand a little bit more. Yeah. on what George Lutz did afterwards. Afterwards, he went out and recorded a series of 26 cassette tapes talking about what happened while they were in the house. He was drinking most of the time when he was recording and he reportedly wanted to have seances in the house. Uh, and by February of 1976, the Lutzes were c. But before all that, before he started recording [ __ ] like less than a month after they ran out of the house, they were in contact with Butch DeFao's defense attorney, William Weber, and he wanted to combine their stories to create a insanity plea and to

make a lot of money in the process. They're setting up for the [ __ ] the the sale of the story of the haunting of the Amityville house.

Yeah. And because that's the thing is I do believe that the Lutzes experienced something like something happened in that house.

I mean six people were [ __ ] brutally murdered. Yeah. I mean it's it's got IT'S GOT BAD JUJU.

YEAH. It's got bad vibes. We talked about this recently when we did the Herb Balmeister series about how like it's one of those places that if there if there were going to be a place where there was going to be paranormal activity would be here.

Yeah. But I don't want to skip ahead too much, but no one else has felt paranormal [ __ ] in the house since.

No, no, no. Everyone who's ever lived there. And they also um they refuted a lot of George Lutz's claims where he said like, you know,

window shutters would fly off the walls, doors would fly off the walls, and they like every single thing in here looks original. None of this was, you know, like this door looks like it's been here on these hinges for 20 years. None of that should happen. And I also think when it comes to paranormal activity, we could look to We talked a little bit about the lead poisoning. Uh the how lead poisoning in the boomers is probably what led to the serial killer like [ __ ] epidemic of the 1970s. We're pretty certain

80s and 90s. It's got something to do with lead poisoning. I actually blame a lot of paranormal stories from this time period on the goddamn Exorcist. They look at immediately the exorcist happened in 1973. So once the ex that that's when that came out the the Amityville murders happened in 74 and everything happened after the fact. So as soon as they saw this it was already still exorcist fever like technically when the the tech technically I believe the Oscars had just happened which I believe the exorcist was nominated.

It was nominated for best picture. Um and so it got huge a huge amount of attention.

Yeah. And um so Demons made me do it was pretty popular. Sound like it was going to make some money.

Yeah. But also it's like I mean obviously these people have no moral compass but you know as much as you want to like sell your new house that you probably you know needed to unload because you couldn't afford to buy it in the first place. Yes. Um that is what happened with Lutz. That's what

that's what it seems like to me. Yes. It is utterly uh that is you are sort of jumping ahead but yes he completely destroyed his finances and he the house was like three times upside down.

Yeah. But in order to do that you have to free a sixtime murderer. Yes. But you see, we as we noticed, sometimes you got to go all the way to the top to make it all work out.

Well, I mean, the kids who were a part of the Amityville story, the a couple of them have come out and spoken publicly, specifically Christopher Lutz, who changed his name to Christopher Quarantino, which is a fun name.

Christopher Quarantino. Christopher Quarantino. What? Yeah. I think it's Quarantino was the name of his mother's first husband.

Oh, okay. It's a real name. Yeah, quarantino. It was the Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like an an Italian special during co. Really fun stuff. Really top tier material from me today. You weren't seen special. It's nice. [clears throat]

But yeah, this guy, he he changed his name for anonymity. But it said that he took a lot of flack when he was a kid, you know, cuz everyone's like, "Your mom's a liar, your dad's a liar, all this stuff is bullshit." Yeah. But this all happened to him when he was seven years old, which is kind of interesting. Yes, because the age is very interesting because I don't know about you guys, but my memory from when I was seven is hazy to say the least.

Well, I remember my seventh birthday because that's the story I have from when Michelangelo came

and then from the Ninja Turtle. Yeah. And Michelangelo came to my seventh birthday party and it's not real, Henry. I'm out like this.

Oh, I know. I know. But the thing that was more remarkable about it was that I'll always remember because like I grew up in New York. I had a fairly diverse group of friends. We were all like kind of careful. I remember first like you know

one was even an inch turtle. Yeah. was even instrumental. But then um Michelangelo showed up and April O'Neal that was accompanying Michelangelo was being portrayed by a black woman and we were all like really confused as kids and it really created this very interesting conversation about colorblind casting and and race where she had she was trying to explain cuz like all these kids are like excuse me ma'am APRIL O'NEAL'S WHITE AND SHE WAS LIKE literally you got to understand see sometimes April O'Neal can be like she was saying and we're all like what

did she have red hair? No. We were just like but we just went with it. They taught us karate and those last remember at least.

Okay. She's wearing As long as she's wearing the costume with the costume on She didn't show up wearing a pants suit.

Yeah. Yeah. Showed up full tits out. It was awesome. Yeah. Then she started stripping.

That's amazing. She gave all the kids a lap dance. My dad. You'd be crazy what cops used to get. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, that's what I remember from being seven. Well, yeah. I don't remember a whole lot. I remember being uh paddled by my teacher at

Yeah, I was [snorts] deserve it. I mouthed off. I mouthed off a lot when I was a kid and I got and I got paddled a lot as a result because I had a I had a big mouth. Wow.

You think it made your butt big? Is that why Is that why my butt's big? is because when I was a kid, I got paddled a lot. And then my and my body in order to protect itself made my butt made more butt. Made my butt bigger. Yeah, that's probably it. You [ __ ] idiot.

That's probably the reason why I got a big butt is because I got paddled a lot when I was a kid cuz I got a big mouth.

Wow. You know, I was hit by a teacher at seven. Really? In second grade. But was it part of the punishment or was it like did she just fly off the handle and smack you?

I dropped my pencil box. She said it was on purpose. I said it wasn't and she hit me.

Wow. Oh, like in the face. Uh, she slapped my arm. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. No. No. I got

Sister Dolores. No. Okay. That's And that's a nun. That's totally different. No. For me, it was a full wooden paddle by a public like by a government employee.

Oh, yeah. No, no, no. It wasn't like that. It was a It was a rash decision. No, I was celebrated by my school.

No, that's nice. Everywhere I went. That's when I got to public school. In private school, they hated me.

Yeah, I could see. Yeah. Yeah. You look like you look like a child prisoner. I've seen those pictures. You look like you look like you'd be currently fighting Ukraine.

Oh my god. And if you were born in Russia at that time as that child, man, the day I found out that I can just kick the [ __ ] out of anyone who badmouth me was a great day.

Oh, I bet. Oh, wow. These hands. These hands. See, I kind of found out the opposite. That anyone could kick the [ __ ] out of me if I badmouth them.

Yeah, really bad. I was a really tiny child. That's why you become razor quick with your wit. Oh, cuz you see, they're actually a few barbs or just as well effective as a few wellplaced kicks. My friend,

my audience was not that smart. All I had to do was funny voices and impersonate um Jim Carrey.

Hey, it's worked out. Somebody stop me. That helps a lot of people from getting beat up. I remember, I know this is way off topic and we should probably cut it, but I remember I I beat up one kid cuz I was shaking a tree and HE'S LIKE, "HEY, DON'T SHAKE THAT TREE." And I just beat the [ __ ] out of him.

Wow. An incredible lesson. Actually, the only kid that I like could beat up. But yeah, the one kid that was weaker than me is that he was stomping on ants and I told him, "Hey, stop stomping on the ants." He told me to shut up and I beat the [ __ ] out of him.

Hell yeah. Jesus Christ. I just made him laugh. I just sang songs and I did impersonations of the teachers.

Oh, no. I did impersonations of the teachers, too. But yeah, no, it's impersonations were big.

Okay, so back to the defense. That's quite a That was quite a side jump. Bye from Northland.

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Uh, so Christopher, I guess we're back on the LES. Yeah, Christopher here. Yeah, a seven-year-old's memory of all this is is interesting because, you know, you don't want to tell this guy that he's a liar. Of course not. But memory is very fallible. And when you're a kid dealing with something so insane, especially when your father is kind of insane, too. Because you know, George Lutz had he had a reputation for also being a very abusive person, very very physically abusive, very emotionally abusive. And it is kind of freaky when your dad's sitting in a room for hours alone chanting the name of a demon over and over and over again.

Doesn't it set you up maybe great? I mean, I don't know. If he explained what was going on, he was cool about it. Maybe it would be awesome. But he's haunted. This kid's haunted. I It's I find it haunted. This man is haunted. I find it interesting that he yes it's not about what he directly remembers but also remember then the narrative not just is created by your father to you alone in a home but then it's written into a book and then it's written blown out into a movie and then it's turned to nine movies and it's and the story has become so ubiquitous with haunted houses and the house your childhood home is the picture of haunted houses that eventually whether or not you like it or not you've made that memory real that it's just there There is no way around it. That is how memory works. You tell yourself, your memories are just the stories you tell yourself that you've decided are the way it is ended. That is

how you you're the final draft of the stories you tell about yourself. And then [clears throat] imagine being a teenager and seeing that Simpsons episode about your [ __ ] house.

Oh yeah. I mean, it's like I think that [ __ ] [ __ ] you up. I think it otherizes you. I think it makes you something else. I think you walk around all day saying like, "I'm supposed to be this sort of purveyor of a secret knowledge. I'm supposed to have experienced something that most people don't experience until they die in touch with the paranormal, but I'm supposed to be that, but I'm [ __ ] now."

Well, he actually he says he didn't read the Amityville horror until 1999. I'm just saying it everywhere. It's just in the air. It's just everywhere you go. It's the context with which you arrive everywhere. But what's most interesting about his story and this is what I find fascinating about it is that he read the Amityville like he for his whole life was like yes like [ __ ] absolutely happened there. Paranormal activity happened there and he read the Amityville horror and he was like

that's not how it happened. Yeah. He was like his memories of it were completely different from how it was portrayed in the Amityville horror. He's like that's not how it happened at all. He's like they added some [ __ ] and then completely left other things out. He's like, "They left out the story of like how our dog almost [ __ ] was almost hung because it was thrown over the fence and it was hanging by its [ __ ] leash and almost choked to death." Like, you know, all these He's like, "Yeah."

And whether or not it just jumps because it was freaked out itself. Honestly, that's enough for me. Like, what if it just saw something? Poor dog.

Actually, that is actually what he said is that he [ __ ] the dog was so scared it jumped the fence and [ __ ] choked itself, but they rescued it thankfully.

Yes. Because cats and dogs see very they see all the ghosts. Mhm. Yep. And like he said that he saw like a dark humanlike figure appearing in his bedroom doorway. Didn't see the feet. All of this [ __ ] is very very scary to him. But that's what's [ __ ] fascinating is that there was a paranormal according to this guy. There was a paranormal story here. It's just not the one that they told. It's not the one that Jay Anson told cuz I think he had his own narrative in mind because George Lutz did record over 20 hours of testimony of like [ __ ] that he said happened in the house. But the thing is that through all the lawsuits that came afterwards that we talked about in the Warren series, like including lawsuits that involved his own family members, like George Lutz was forced to say again and again like, "No, most of it was fiction. Most of it was made up."

Wow. Yes. He had to. It It is interesting, but I we did it when we just talked about the Warren. There's so many of these where there's something at the core, which is why we don't trust these stories. It's why we are as a whole, like both as a society, it feels like we're more quote unquote open to it than ever before. But the skeptic side of it, like I guess it's because cringe I think is the term to be too much of a believer. Everybody has to have a foot outside the door

to kind of feel cool and good and of normal society. I try to at least. But well, that's how you actually become a believer is you are a skeptic and you're proved wrong.

But these stories, the problem is that all the lies on top of these stories are what makes people not believe is that it's they it's all of the monetization. Again, capitalism kind of [ __ ] it up because it takes what is supposed to be this beautiful I I don't know. I think it's interesting like the way they talk about the haunted house that we covered where they talked about how um they were happy with the ghosts before they left where they were just they created a relationship with the the poltergeist. I think it was in the Warren series the Peron family where they knew the ghost and they were fine with it and there's something about that but I feel like that used to be way more common that this this type of phenomena would kind of happen quietly in in your home base your family

basically the end of Beetlejuice. Yes. Yeah. Well, yeah. You hear that story a lot where like, you know, they'll someone will be in the kitchen and like the bread flies off the counter and they're like, "All right, Jerry, stop it, you know, and it's like then it stops."

I love [ __ ] like that. I love [ __ ] like that. Well, this guy Christopher, he says that what he was most frustrated with is that the book, Jay Anson's book, The Amityville [ __ ] it portrays George Lutz as a victim of the house. It portrays him as like this paternal hero. and how Christopher remembered it. What he believed happened is that George Lutz invited a demonic entity into the house. He turned it into this entirely different kind of story where George Lutz was like kind of an occult dabbler who put his hands into some [ __ ] that he shouldn't have put his hands into.

Why else would he buy the [ __ ] murder house? There you go. There you go. But but also but it can't because it sound like he was didn't have as much cash as he wanted and he got a house for in a great neighborhood which was huge for very cheap.

I mean for very cheap. Yeah. 80 grand. But he still couldn't afford the 80 grand. So

yeah. And if you're a big fan of this kind of stuff, you're like, "Oh, I can get this house. I'll get a story out of it. We make a book maybe." Or or you just want to be in it.

I'm one of those. I just want to be in it. I mean, if he did go into it thinking I could get a book out of this, he would have definitely been like a hell of a businessman because the Emityville horror was like kind it was the first of its kind,

okay, of of this [ __ ] you know, like there had been of course, you know, The Exorcist, but not like that. The Exorcist was a book,

but I mean like non-fiction, you know, like a non-fiction book like at that point the biggest non-fiction true crime. I mean, the only thing you could maybe compare it to is like In Cold Blood. Yeah. you know, which of course was a massive hit and that had been about 10 years earlier somewhere around there. So, I guess there was some appetite for true crime, but for paranormal stuff, for haunted house stuff, like I don't think there had been something like that before Amityville.

No, it was a in terms of that level of like based on a true story style. Yeah. So I

with the true crime angle also added to it of like a a national news story. I personally believe that he did not come in there with a plan.

I don't think that he had I don't think, as you can see by his finances, I don't think he was much of a planner. And so I think that you just need one little kick

and then everything else happened because it was cuz it ha it had the goods. You know what I mean? It had the bright bones for the story. And so yeah, you start to see some weird [ __ ] and then I kick this little ball. It's going to turn into a [ __ ] avalanche. real easy because there's a lot of meat here. What happened to Lutz after all this?

Uh he basically got spent the rest of his life in litigation in one way or another. Like he even sued Christopher at one point because he sued his stepson.

A stepson. Yeah. He sued him in 2003 uh because Christopher cuz he wanted to get a little bit of the Amityville money. He's like, "If I'm going to [ __ ] if this is going to be my life, I'm going to make a little bit of money doing it." Uh he created the domain namedvillehor.com. Uh but George had trademarked Amityville horror the year before and so he sued his stepson in Nevada district court. Christopher counters sued noting that the trademark concerned a brand name of non-fiction books. Uh but that got George to publicly admit that the books were fiction.

Oh yeah, dude. This big [ __ ] got him. Uh but then they settled the suit. Christopher turned over the domain name. Uh but around the same time Christopher learned that George was workshopping a new movie and the and this is of course this is very George Lutz. The plot of the movie was that Christopher who was be using his name you know his likeness returned to the house years later became possessed and killed his father. Of course Christopher is like take this is this very Long Island Rob like these guys like passive aggressively telling stories about each other.

That makes sense. It sounds like Long Island. It's sounding more and more like Long Island.

Yeah. Where it's like they get into this fight and it's like, "I'm going to make a movie about you in which you're the asshole." And it's like, "Oh, you're going to make a movie about me in which I'm the [ __ ] I'm going to [ __ ] take you to court." Uh, but then out of nowhere MGM announced their remake, the 2005 remake of the Amityville Horror, which I've never seen. I did not know Ryan Reynolds starred in an Amityville horror remake.

Yes, he did. It was before he was everybody's favorite Deadpool. He literally did a bunch of He did a lot of bad stuff and that was he that's a bad one

between Van Wilder and Deadpool. Yes, I did not. Green Lantern was [ __ ] we all he did a bunch of garbage in between. You know what they Why did THEY NOT GET JOSH BROLAN? I mean, I know you can't just choose, but that would have been great.

I DON'T KNOW. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME. I honestly don't know because the original Brolan, James Brolan is great.

Yeah. He's so good because he's scar he's a very good scary dad. Oh yeah, he's got that big head.

He's definitely big. That big head seriously. Oh yeah. No, you could take a shovel to the face and just start laughing.

Yeah, he's a serious beard. I love Well, we really did it. Wow. Yeah, we really did it.

We brought it back. But that's it. But at that to to wrap it up, uh, George filed a suit against MGM for liel, claiming that the new movie made him look like a homicidal maniac because in the Ryan Reynolds movie, George Lutz is portrayed as killing his dog with an axe, attacking his son with an axe, burning coffins for his wife and children, trying to drown his wife, chasing his wife and children on a roof in a rainstorm.

I mean, you got to make it better. Well, they were trying to They pumped up the action and they made it evil daddy. And then daddy's like, I wasn't that evil.

Mhm. Well, he contends that when he signed the rights in 1979, there wasn't anything that prohibited him from filing defamation in connection with any subsequent movie, the suit was unsuccessful. And on the day that it was settled in 2006, George Lutz [ __ ] died.

He should have been happy with the abs they gave him. That literally is the saddest the saddest way to end the ghost stories that you just become a ghost.

Yes. that you [ __ ] you spend your life in litigation and then you become a ghost.

Wow. And that's it. That's that is that's the expansion of the Amityville horror. Uh and you know there so far there's been 10 Amityville horror movies. The original and n there's been 10.

I didn't know there's been 10. I would have guessed four including there was many there was many um what's the spots? There was many

TV sequels. Many Yeah, many sequels. And I remember seeing sequels. I didn't know it got to nine. Well, there all the remakes like you know there's been I think two remakes. Um

and there was supposed to be like Amityville the awakening was supposed to be like last uh decade like

Oh wow. Yeah. There's been a lot. Yeah. There's Amityville. Yeah. I forgot. Amityville 3D.

Yeah. Amityville 3D. I liked. Yeah. No, these actually let's go through the names to round this whole thing up. There's the Amityville [ __ ] Amityville 2, the Possession. That's that's more about Ronnie DeFao. And that's the one the Warren had their hand in.

Uh, yes. Actually, the Warren had their hand in every single one of these. They they were they were consultants as consultants at least.

Uh, there was Amityville 3D. There was Amityville 4, The Evil Escapes. Uh, the Amityville Curse. Uh, this is my favorite one. Amityville. It's about time.

It's about time. And it's actually just all about clocks. Amityville. A new generation. Amityville Dollhouse.

That's right. And then they and then they kind of stop motion. No, that No, no. I wish that was the one where there is a dollhouse shaped like the Amityville house that is also haunted.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that was 1996. I actually remember watch. Man, I [ __ ] forgot. I just totally real. Yeah. 90 1996. That's when I was watching every horror movie, every horrible horror movie that came across pay-per-view cuz it cost like $2. Of course.

Yeah. And so, yeah, I saw AMDville Dollhouse. [ __ ] yeah. Yeah. I saw I remember that. It's like a blast from the past.

Yeah, man. It's like a What was it? Yeah, it's like at the same time. What was that other Bloodstone? Oh man,

we should watch these all together. Yeah, we should watch it. Yes. And then of course in 2005 it restarted and then people just started using the Amityville name. Amnityville Haunting, Amityville Asylum, Amityville Death House, Amityville Playhouse, Amityville No Escape, and then Amityville Exorcism, and then finally in 2017, uh, Amityville The Awakening. That was the last one.

How does the town Amityville feel about all this? Uh, they love it. They do not. Oh, Kurtwood Smith. They don't love it.

Yeah, Kurtwood Smith was in Emityville the Awakening. There you go. He's great. No, they Yeah, they don't love it. They don't have like Yeah, they they don't really enjoy

No, the their name their name being a by word for haunted house. It's not celebrated.

It's not celebrated, unfortunately. As much as I I think that everybody gets sick of it cuz you know what it really is, honestly? It's it's me. It's people like me. Yeah.

That arrive in front of your home going, "Yeah, they killed the girl in this room and then they killed the wife in this room." Like without me pointing out being like, "Her brains are splattered everywhere." And I bet you I bet YOU WANTED TO DO other things to her corpse. We didn't get a chance to. Over here's where the brothers were shot in the head.

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[ __ ] you. Shout out to Ronnie. Miss you, buddy. Jennifer Jason Lee also in Emityville the awakening.

Oh, wow. Nice. That's my lovely gig for her. Actually, that's pretty good. Thomas Man didn't you know Bella Thornne?

Don't Don't Bella Don't Bella Thorn is the one with the She's attractive. Yeah, she's a Yeah, that one. Yeah, that one.

She's attractive. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Goodbye. Hail S. Okay. H Long Island Medium.

Oh, McKenna Grace. Of course, they got her in there. She plays the creepy little girl in every movie.

She is a very good creepy little girl. She's a great creepy little girl. Get out of here, McKenna. I'm not paying you.

We enjoy your work, but we're not paying you. I'm not paying your [ __ ] rate.

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