Actor Timothy Busfield Did Not Inappropriately Touch Kids: Former Co-Worker

Who speaks in this episode?

• Alan Kadillo (Main speaker (witness / declarant))

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: The Cleaning Lady, Alan Kadillo, Timothy Busfield, The Hangover
2. 3:00 – 6:00: The Cleaning Lady
3. 6:00 – 9:00: The Cleaning Lady
4. 12:00 – 15:00: Cougan account

Notable quotes from "Actor Timothy Busfield Did Not Inappropriately Touch Kids: Former Co-Worker"

• I'm a director of photography on movies and television shows.

  about Alan Kadillo · at 0:41

• Now, I want to turn and I want to talk about The Cleaning Lady. Did you work on a television show called The Cleaning Lady?

  about The Cleaning Lady · at 2:04

• But it was a significant amount of money. It was a Super Bowl commercial and so I was told we had to start a thing called a Cougan account which is you know the that you put…

  about Cougan account · at 14:02

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Alan Kadillo — Person · Main speaker (witness / declarant) · 1 mention · first at 0:35
  Testifies about his work as Director of Photography on 'The Cleaning Lady' and his on-set interactions with Timothy Busfield, addressing allegations referenced from a criminal complaint.
• Timothy Busfield — Person · Referenced subject (director/producer on the show; defendant referenced in allegations) · 1 mention · first at 2:37
  Discussed as a guest director and later producer-director on 'The Cleaning Lady'; the testimony centers on whether alleged inappropriate conduct could have occurred on set.
  And as the lead director of photography on the cleaning lady, did you interact with Timothy Busfield?

Books & papers

• The Cleaning Lady — Book · 5 mentions · first at 2:07
• The Hangover — Book · 1 mention · first at 1:53
  Yeah. probably the biggest projects project I worked on was The Hangover. I was one of the directors of photography on The Hang and Hangover 2.

Companies & orgs

• International Cinematographers Guild — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:36
  I am. I'm a member of the International Cinematographers Guild, Local 600, and of the Director's Guild of America DGA.
• Directors Guild of America (DGA) — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:41
  I am. I'm a member of the International Cinematographers Guild, Local 600, and of the Director's Guild of America DGA.

Concepts & topics

• Cougan account — Concept · 1 mention · first at 14:05

Full transcript with timestamps

0:12 Good afternoon, sir. Sorry. Do you swear affirm that testimony here is the truth, the whole truth, nothing, the truth, and the penalty of

0:18 I do. Thank you. Please have a seat. Have you testified before? I haven't. Okay. So, everything's being recorded in this microphone here. So, please just be sure to speak loudly and clearly into that. the sit right.

0:27 Yeah. And the attorneys are going to ask you some questions now. Okay. Okay. Mr. D.

0:32 Thank you, your honor. Could you please state your name for the record? Alan Kadillo.

0:37 And Mr. Cardio, what do you do for a living? I'm a director of photography on movies and television shows.

0:46 What is a director of photography? Director of photography uh supervises all the photography for a project, hires crew and in television shows um guides guest directors um through the process of that particular show.

1:03 And as a director of photography, do you work closely with the director on any given project?

1:09 Yes. And how long have you worked in the film industry? Over 35 years. How many projects have you worked on?

1:21 Hundreds. Hundreds of projects. How many days of filming do you think you've done? Thousands. Thousands of

1:34 And are you a member of any unions? I am. I'm a member of the International Cinematographers Guild, Local 600, um, and of the Director's Guild of America DGA. And have you worked on any projects that I might have heard of?

1:50 Yeah. Um, probably the biggest projects project I worked on was um, The Hangover. I was one of the directors of photography on The Hang

1:58 and Hangover 2. Now, I want to turn and I want to talk about The Cleaning Lady. Did you work on a television show called The Cleaning Lady?

2:11 I did. And what was what was your role in the cleaning lady? Um, I was the lead director of photography for seasons one through four.

2:23 Were there more than four seasons of the cleaning lady? No, it was cancelceled after the fourth season.

2:27 So, you were the lead director of photography for all four seasons. Correct. And as the lead director of photography on the cleaning lady, did you interact with Timothy Busfield?

2:40 I did. Uh Tim came to us season two at the end of the season, episode 11. So he came as a guest director on that and then they brought him back seasons three through three and four.

2:55 For seasons three and four. Yeah, correct. Okay. Um why did they bring him back?

3:01 Uh he was well liked by the cast and the crew. um did a an excellent job and they need they needed somebody to help supervise future directors who were going to be guests to help them do that uh process for season three and four. So he was a producer director for those last two seasons.

3:19 Okay. Um yeah, what does that mean being a producer director? Um, part of it is really he's helping to make sure that each guest director comes in, understands the process, knows the ins and outs of of um, working with the cast, understands the quirks of the crew or locations, and then also he supervises um, um, editing and music things and casting to some extent. So, he's there to be a guide for the for the series. And so just so I'm clear, Mr. Busfield was involved with The Cleaning Lady for season 2, episode 11, and then all of season three and four.

4:04 Correct. Yeah, he was uh directed one episode, season two, and then I think two episode 3 and two episode four.

4:11 Okay. So he directed a total of five episodes. I believe it's five. Yeah, I believe it was five.

4:18 Now, have you reviewed the criminal complaint in this case? I did read it. I saw it on deadline.

4:25 And are you aware of the allegations by um and we'll I want to refer them by their initials. Okay. Let's just make sure we do that. Okay.

4:35 Um are you aware of the allegations by SL in this case? I am from that complaint.

4:42 And and you know when I when I refer to SL, you know who I'm talking about, correct?

4:46 I do. And based on your review of the criminal complaint, um, what are you what is your understanding of the the nature of the allegations in this case?

5:02 I'm sorry, I don't by understanding of the nature like what what happened. What does what does he say happened?

5:09 Oh. Oh, he said that um Tim touched him inappropriate inappropriately on set. And was that during filming? Do you know?

5:19 It seemed to me from the complaint he was saying it was on set while we were filming. You know, he would said, I think I remember reading he said something like when he cut, he would come in and that's what he would do.

5:28 Okay. Now, as the director of photography, did you work on every episode that Mr. Busfield directed?

5:37 I did. Did you work closely with him on each of those episodes? Yeah, absolutely. I work very closely with all of the directors and um that first episode he was a guest so it was my one of my jobs as the you know we've been there for two years is to make sure he understands our process gets to know the cast and the crew sets and things like that. So we worked very very closely I never I never left his side. Okay. And

6:07 so is it possible that Mr. Busfield inappropriately touched SL on the set of the cleaning lady?

6:13 No. Why not? It's It may seem film sets may seem chaotic if you're an outsider, but everything we do is incredibly regimented. We're all a group of professionals who all know what they need to do a lot of times without being told. Um, and at any given time if if the child was on set, um, there was at minimum of 10 people there on the set with them. It's just how it works. There's two cameras, two camera operators, two focus pullers, two boom guys, um a prop person, a hair and makeup person, the studio person would usually be there, the first assistant director, uh two dolly reps, and that's for every take for every shot always, especially with the children because we had such a limited amount of time with the children. If they were on the set, we would bring them on and start rolling because once they, you know, the the rules are such if if we go over, that's it. We're done. and we have to not shoot

7:12 the scene and go over and spend a ton of money. So, every second of their time was regimented. We often would even re rehearse with the children, especially with these young guys. They weren't the best actors. They were, you know, perfect look for the show, but they weren't the best performers. So, we would rehearse with the standing, which was an adult. And then we would just bring them in and have them do the part. So, they weren't would even a lot of times they wouldn't even be there for rehearsals.

7:46 I want to shift and and talk now about these boys and their parents. Okay. Um during filming of the cleaning lady, did you get to know these the the boys and their parents?

8:01 Yes. And how much did you interact with those four people? Um well not at the time but you know I always take care I always make sure I get to know the the cast very well and the crew as well but the cast and try to get to know the parents of children when they come in the set so they feel comfortable know that we're there taking care of their children and they feel comfortable. So I got I got to know them you know I would see them when they would come to set.

8:25 Okay. And we did occasionally see them like after like at rap parties and things like that.

8:30 Rap parties. Well, like they when it's over, they to go and have have dinner and, you know, to celebrate the season.

8:36 Great. Okay. Um, the boy's parents, what were they like? I think the mother uh was a little she always seemed very, very nervous and anxious and very quiet and reserved. The father was very aggressive. Um, really very talkative, but didn't really seem to say much. Just uh very aggressive, very kind of alpha male sort of sort of guy. seemed like a typical sort of aggressive set parent.

9:06 Um, was there anything that the father did that seemed odd to you? Yeah, I mean, yes. He he was overly aggressive with me. I feel like he was always trying to be my friend or wanting to, you know, go do things after work or go have drinks or golf or, you know, things like that. And I wasn't really that interested in that. Something he did do that three that made me uncomfortable and it was addressed earlier was that uh he would have the the kids if we came on set and you know if I was given a high five to the kids and they missed it the father go hey you know go give Mr. Mr. Allen a hug. And that that made me feel uncomfortable because I never want I would never let my kids just force my kids to hug somebody. You know, that should be something that they want to do or it's, you know, mutual, not, you know, say you have to hug somebody. So that that really kind of was like nails in the chalkboard for me, like to force one's

10:00 child to hug somebody they didn't really know. Did it did it seem like um the father was trying to force relationships like with between you and the children and things like that?

10:12 Yeah, I mean it did. I felt like you know he wanted I I honestly I don't think he understood what I did. You know I'm I'm not a director photography is a below the line person. We're not bosses. I'm a boss of my group the lighting the grip and the camera people but I'm not a decision maker. I don't cast. I don't do things like that. And I think he might have misunderstood what I did because people would listen to me on set because I'm giving people put that light there, put that camera there.

10:37 You mean you seemed important? I seemed important. And I think he thought, okay, then I better that

10:42 driver better make sure that he's got a good relationship with that guy. I see.

10:48 Now, I want to ask you about um the kids leaving the show. How did the kids end up leaving? Well, um, a couple things, a couple things happened. Well, several things happened. One, because of COVID, our schedule got extended. So, when we started the project, when they shot the pilot in 200 or 2021, we didn't even start shooting the series until I think the summer of 22. Um, so it's a year later. So, these children have already grown up. And this show takes place in really I think the whole series all four seasons of the show I think take place in like a one year or maybe maybe year and a half time story

11:29 story story wise it was compressed and so because of you know circumstances we had a big writers and actor strike so we ended up pushing and the kids kept growing you know so you know by the time we started really shooting by the time we got to season three they had grown uh different heights or different heights and their facial structures had changed, right? So they and they just didn't look like they did at the really at the end even of the prior season and it became, I think, clear that we needed to to make a change. It wasn't my decision, but you know, the studio decided.

12:00 Okay. And um have you heard about how the parents took it when they were informed that the children would not be coming back? I

12:09 I did hear I was not there when that happened because we had already finished that. That happened after we were starting season 4. Okay.

12:16 Well, prepping season 4, not shooting. And I heard that they took it very badly, that they were very, very upset.

12:26 Now, I want to ask you just one one additional line of questioning. Um, how much pay did the kids get for each episode?

12:37 I honestly can't say. I'm not, like I said, I'm not I'm the working guy, not the producer. I had heard that it was, you know, like around 50 50 to 60 grand, something like that

12:46 per episode. per episode, I think. And I think that's was between the two, like combined.

12:51 Combined. Yeah. Um, again, I I'm not a prudent that nobody ever gave me a budget, so I I don't know.

12:57 But that's what you heard. That's what I heard. And that doesn't seem out of out of bounds for what that rate is for what actors make.

13:04 Okay. And how many episodes were there in season one? Season one was 10 episodes. And how many episodes were there in seasons two and three? I believe those are 12 episode seasons

13:19 each. Yeah. So 34 episodes, correct? Uh yeah, correct. So over the course of those three seasons, we're talking millions of dollars.

13:30 Yeah. Not my strong suit, but yeah, that's like a million and a half, something like that, Brook,

13:36 I don't think math is your strong suit. It is not my I'm sorry. It's not. Um now, Mr. Codio, do you have any idea how much of that money would have to actually be set aside for the children.

13:47 I do actually. Um my Yeah, my son um was in a commercial uh a national nationwide commercial uh when he was 5 years old. I was shooting the commercial and so then I was able to get him in which is great. But it was a significant amount of money. It was a Super Bowl commercial and um so I was told we had to start a thing called a Cougan account which is um you know the that you you put you create a fund that isolates the money from the parents. So when the kid turns 18 and they um they get that money and interestingly I thought it well it's it's 15%.

14:23 Sorry 15% is what they need to put aside put aside. Yeah but I actually thought it was the opposite and I put all I put 85% in the googan thinking

14:32 because it it was shocking to me that parents can take 85% of their child's income which is shocking right so I it it was so absurd to me I just put I put 85 in and not 15. And so the parents get to keep if they if they choose 85% of the money that the children make.

14:50 It's considered income, but yeah, they can spend it as they will. There's no rule against it.

14:54 If I could have one moment, your honor, that's all I have. Okay. Miss Bren, do you have any questions for Mr. CIO?

15:02 I do your last name for Calio. C A U D is in Denver. I L L O. Thank you. Good afternoon.

15:12 Hello. My understanding that you wrote an affidavit. I did. And when did you write that?

15:23 I believe it was the 13th of January. Of January. Yeah, I believe. I'm sorry. I don't have a copy of it. And I'm not great with dates either.

15:31 That's okay. I'm not working so you know, every day is just today. That's okay. If you need a copy, I have one if you need to see it.

15:37 Um, so you stated and in your affidavit that you were with Mr. Buzzfield 100% of the time

15:44 on set. Yes. On set. So, did you see him tickling and picking up the boys? I never saw him tick tickling or picking up the boys.

15:53 You know that he did say he did tickle the boys. Um I think it was in the in the complaint, but yeah, but I never saw him tick tickling or picking up the boys. Also, you uh in your affidavit and just now, you stated that uh the the dad of the victims

16:12 and you had some concerns about him. Yeah. He just felt weird to me. He was kind of creepy to be honest with you

16:19 and that you didn't like that he um had his boys hug you. He had his boys hug everybody. And so I I just thought that again that this is just my personal belief about how I raised my children, which is that I wouldn't force my children to do something.

16:34 Okay. That could that could be, you know, it's just weird. So, so did you continue to hug the boys when they

16:39 I actually rarely hug the boys. I would always try to I would do a high five or, you know, just do like the very as simple as I could. Again, he's a parent. He gets to choose how he how he raises his children. I am uncomfortable with that.

16:51 Did you have did you tell him that you had concerns saying, you know, I don't want to hug your boys?

16:56 Yeah. He's he's their parents and I trust that he's doing what he feels like is the best he could do. I I have concern with that.

17:04 Right. But for you, since you didn't want them hugging you, you never told their father.

17:08 No, no, I didn't say didn't want them hugging me. I just said I just I'm concerned that a parent would force a child to hug a stranger like that. That be the child would say, "Hey, go hug that person."

17:21 Okay. But I like kids. I like to hug kids. And you know, I'm not saying I love my kids and I love and I love these little boys and I wanted them to be happy and and and healthy, right? So, I'm just saying for me that was a concern for me as I looked at at the father.

17:35 Okay. Um, did you ever have discussions about that with anyone else on set? No.

17:50 When were you um when did you read the criminal complaint? um whenever it came out on deadline. To be honest, it came out on deadline and I I downloaded it and read it.

18:02 And who contacted you to write this affidavit? Um uh Melissa, uh Tim's husband asked if I would write something.

18:13 Tim's wife, correct? Okay. And did you send that to Mr. Dod's firm? Yes, they contacted me and asked if I would do it and I said yes. I wrote it and sent I actually think I sent it to Melissa.

18:24 Okay. And then she forwarded it to And you are aware at that time when you wrote this that the defendant did admit to tickling the boys on set.

18:33 I'm aware that he I'm sorry. Did you rephrase that question? You were aware. I'm I'm going to object.

18:38 Overruled. Go ahead. Thank you. You were aware because you read the criminal complaint that the defendant admitted to tickling the boys on set.

18:46 Well, it was in the complaint that he said he tickled. Nothing. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Doctor, do you have any questions for Mr.

18:56 Back it up one moment? Sure. Your honor, I don't have any further questions for Mr. Cord.

19:09 Thank you. All right. You want to switch over to Mr. Fairberg? Your honor, at this time I'm going to hand it off to my partner, Miss Fairbird, to make argument.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Actor Timothy Busfield Did Not Inappropriately Touch Kids: Former Co-Worker"?

Alan Kadillo (Main speaker (witness / declarant)).

What is discussed in "Actor Timothy Busfield Did Not Inappropriately Touch Kids: Former Co-Worker"?

In order: 0:00 The Cleaning Lady, Alan Kadillo, Timothy Busfield, The Hangover; 3:00 The Cleaning Lady; 6:00 The Cleaning Lady; 12:00 Cougan account.

What is mentioned in this Law&Crime Trials episode?

7 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including The Cleaning Lady, Alan Kadillo, Timothy Busfield, The Hangover, Cougan account, International Cinematographers Guild. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Actor Timothy Busfield Did Not Inappropriately Touch Kids: Former Co-Worker"?

The episode runs 19 min; the transcript is about 3,518 words in 89 timestamped sections.

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