Ex-Wife Confesses to Tracking Victim with AirTag Amid Marital Problems

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: June 15th
2. 5:00 – 10:00: Teran, Terra Lynn, Clyde Ellis, Ford Expedition
3. 10:00 – 15:00: Terra Lynn, Target, O'Reilly
4. 15:00 – 20:00: June 20th, Apple Inc., June 22nd
5. 20:00 – 25:00: Kevin

Notable quotes from "Ex-Wife Confesses to Tracking Victim with AirTag Amid Marital Problems"

• Did anybody meet you at in Winchester?

  about Teran · at 5:34

• I asked her to compose the text message and it was Terra Lynn who composed the text message for me.

  about Terra Lynn · at 9:35

• It's in the Target shopping center by O'Reilly off Rancho Calal. I love you. I want to help our family move forward and help you feel less stressed. We'll come home after you and.

  about Target · at 10:44

• No, I was never on my device. Was I able to access the Air Tag?

  about Apple Inc. · at 15:29

• You have an idea what that is, if you could look up On June 20th, did you create what appears to be a Facebook group with Rachel, Carolyn, and Tracy?

  about June 20th · at 17:20

• Okay. And could you please read the green message that you sent on June 22nd on the screen?

  about June 22nd · at 19:50

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Terra Lynn — Person · Advisor/author of key message; suggested tracking · 2 mentions · first at 9:38
  Composed the text message the witness sent to Matt announcing the departure and suggested placing the AirTag in the truck.
• Teran — Person · Helper/coordinator (assisted departure and tracking) · 1 mention · first at 5:34
  Met the witness at the rental location, helped with logistics, and was involved in monitoring/sharing access to the AirTag used to track Matt.
• Kevin — Person · Participant with AirTag access (monitoring Matt) · 1 mention · first at 20:01
  He had access to the AirTag on his phone and was included in the effort to monitor Matt’s location after the witness left for Utah.
• Clyde Ellis — Person · Witness’s biological father (present during departure) · 1 mention · first at 5:45
  Named as the witness’s biological father; he was present at the rental-car meetup and helped with children/loading during the move.
  Clyde Ellis. Is that your biological father?

Companies & orgs

• Apple Inc. — Company · 1 mention · first at 15:29
• Enterprise — Company · 1 mention · first at 5:10
  I went to the rent a car, the Enterprise rental car.

Products & tech

• Ford Expedition — Product · rental vehicle · 1 mention · first at 5:15
  The Ford Expedition was used for transportation during the move.

Concepts & topics

• June 20th — Concept · 3 mentions · first at 6:51
• June 15th — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 1:15
• June 22nd — Concept · 1 mention · first at 19:55

Places & events

• Target — Place · 2 mentions · first at 5:26
• O'Reilly — Place · 1 mention · first at 10:46
  It's in the Target shopping center by O'Reilly off Rancho Calal. I love you. I want to help our family move forward and help you feel less stressed. We'll come home after you and.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:24 So anyone has been previously marked this exhibit 33. Same same concept. When you have an idea what it is, please look up and let me know. Okay. Did you have conversation and I asked you this already, but just to reiterate, do you have conversations with your mother regarding leaving California?

0:54 Yes. And do these appear to accurately reflect those conversations? Yes. They would move to admit states exhibit 33.

1:00 Any objection? No objection. So admitted. Thank you. Permission to publish. Any objection?

1:07 No objection. Read your page one, please. Can you please read that first message and tell us what date it's from?

1:15 It's from June 15th. Diane just said we probably shouldn't go to Vegas. Okay. Uh, and we we talked about this earlier, but Diane is Matt's mom, correct?

1:26 Yes. And what are you referring to here? the yearly trip that we would go with her to Vegas.

1:34 When was that planned for? It varies from year to year. Sometimes it's July, sometimes it's August.

1:42 How about the How about this year in 2024? I believe it was scheduled for the 20th of June

1:52 of June. And is did you send this text to your mom right after Diane canceled it?

2:02 Yes. And the date on that is is what again? June 15th. You already had your storage unit at this point? Correct.

2:13 I don't recall. Well, your testimony was that it was two weeks prior to leaving.

2:18 That's when we started planning. I don't remember when we rented the storage unit. Do you remember when you started filling the storage unit? How many days before you left?

2:27 A week. Okay. So, that would put you at the if you left on the 20th, that would put you at the 13th, right?

2:35 Correct. Which means you already had the storage unit at this point. Yes. Was it your intention to leave, Matt, whether the Vegas trip happened or not?

2:58 Yes. Did the Vegas trip just change the timing of when you were going to leave?

3:03 No, because I was going to leave from Vegas. Okay. So, your intention was to go to Vegas and then leave him from there.

3:09 Yes. Okay. So, you said you let's let's talk through the day uh that you left. You said you got a rental car with your mom's credit card, right?

3:26 Yes. And physically, where was that rental car agency? It was off Winchester. And so, it's about 20 minutes away from our house.

3:40 Okay. So you and how did you get to Winchester? I drove the truck, My Daily Driver, which is in Matt's name.

4:00 Could we take it off of this screen? I want to show it her picture on the screen. Just hers though.

4:06 You could show the witness. Just the witness. Yes. Uh, stage 36, please. Okay. Do you recognize that?

4:16 Yes. Is that the daily driver you were talking about? Yes. And is that that's the truck that you took to Winchester?

4:23 Yes. Now, state would move to admit states exhibit 36. Any objection? No objection.

4:30 36 without objection. Permission to publish. Any objection to that? No objection.

4:37 Publish it. Okay. So, is that the truck that you were just referring to? Yes. That you took, you said Winchester was how far from your house?

4:52 15, 20 minutes. How much distance was that? 10 miles maybe. I'm not really sure.

5:01 Okay. When you We can go and take that down. Thank you. When you got to Winchester, where did you go?

5:10 I went to the rent a car, the Enterprise rental car. And what did you do when you were there?

5:15 I rented a Ford Expedition. And had it already been reserved for you? Yes. And what did you do with the truck?

5:26 I left it in the Target parking lot locked. What did you do with the keys? I took them with me. Did anybody meet you at in Winchester?

5:38 Yes, Teran did. Anybody else? My father was there as well with Teran. What's your father's name? I don't think we've gotten his name yet.

5:45 Clyde Ellis. Clyde Ellis. Is that your biological father? Yes. Is that also who raised you?

5:53 Raised is a very loose word, but yes. Sure. Uh was in your life for your formative years?

6:00 Yes. Okay. Why were they there? What did they help? What did they do? My father was visiting my sister and it just so happened to be on the day that I was leaving that he came out with her and she was there to help me with my children and to help me load up anything I could fit into the expedition.

6:23 So, by load up, did you go somewhere to load up? I went to the storage unit to load up my children's clothes blankets anything that was practical to take to Utah.

6:48 Okay. So, what time of what time of day would you say this is? On the 20 on June 20th

6:54 that I was loading up to about noon. Okay. And when did you get on the road, do you think, to come to Utah?

7:01 About 12:30, 1:00. I believe I left the house at around 9. Okay. Did you tell Matt that you were leaving? No not not until 400 p.m.

7:18 Okay. So, prior to renting the car and the storage unit, did he have any idea that you were going to you were leaving him?

7:26 No. How did you How did you tell Matt that you had left? Text message. Permission to approach witness.

8:28 Yes. See if you can find it. So you told him, you said you you testified that he told you told him via text message, correct?

9:15 Yes. And on the phone as well. I don't recall exactly what I said to him on the phone, but I know that I told him through text message that I wasn't that I was on my way out to Utah and that I wouldn't be returning that night.

9:32 Do you remember who told you what to say in that text message? I asked her to compose the text message and it was Terra Lynn who composed the text message for me.

9:42 Okay. If we could now republish states uh 29 Is that the text message you're referring to?

10:04 Yes. Okay. And who's that? And that's from Terine correct? Yes. If you could please uh read that.

10:11 First of all, I love you. It's been really hard lately because you you're so mad every day. Your mom mentioned the other day that I should go to my mom's to give you some space. I called my mom to talk to her about it because I was crying and sad and she insisted she rent me a car and to come visit her. She said she will pay for everything we need for the week or so we're up there so that's not going to make it harder for you. And I left the truck so you can work if you want to. It's in the Target shopping center by O'Reilly off Rancho Calal. I love you. I want I want to help our family move forward and and help you feel less stressed. We'll come home after you and I have a little bit of a breather.

11:01 We can take that down. No, that's the that's the content of the message you sent to Matt as well. Correct.

11:06 Yes. That wasn't true, right? You weren't coming home after a breather. I don't think I had intentions of coming home.

11:23 We talked about the truck. Before you left the truck, you said you put the keys in it.

11:29 No. Oh, I'm sorry. You said you locked it. Yes. Thank you. What did you do with the keys?

11:33 I took them with me. Thank you. And did you place an air tag in the truck? Yes, I did.

11:42 And where did you put it? In the the little box over the transmission cover. Um on the inside of the vehicle, there was a little storage box and I it was a catch-all box and I just dropped it in there.

11:59 Like to show the witness only um an exhibit please. Can you show the witness states exhibit two? Exhibit one number

12:14 uh two states exhibit two. Is it on? Okay. Is that what you're talking about? Yes.

12:26 Does this accurately reflect where you placed the air tag? Yes. State move to admit states exhibit two.

12:31 Any objection? No objection. Admitted. Published. Can we publish it to the jury, please?

12:38 Any objection to public? Yes. Okay. You described a little box that you that was located you said it above the transmission area

12:52 in between the driver and passenger. Okay. And was the was the box more full than this?

13:03 I don't recall. Okay. Why did you put the tracker in the in the truck? because I was afraid of Matt and I wanted to know where he was.

13:14 Okay. I wanted to know if he was coming out to Utah if he was going to the bar.

13:24 Why? Why would it matter if he was going to the bar? Because he had a tendency to lie to me a lot.

13:29 I'm sorry. Could you say that? He had a tendency to lie to me a lot. Right. But you were leaving, right? You're gone. Why does it matter if he goes to the bar?

13:42 Because I have control issues. Okay. So, you place a CR tag in the in the truck. Whose idea was that?

13:51 It was Terra Lynn's idea. I mold on it and I ultimately made the decision to put it in there.

13:58 Is it fair to say you were uncomfortable with that at first? Objection. Okay, I'll I'll withdraw the question. Um, so it was Terin's idea. You molded over and then you decided to do it.

14:11 Yes. Correct. Where did that air tag come from? Terin, do you know who had access to monitor that Airtech? I believe it was originally purchased for Disneyland. And I am not an Apple user. My mom is and Terin is not. Um I believe Rachel had access to it because she was going to track the children. Possibly. I believe Kevin had access to it.

14:56 This was in February, correct? Yes. Is that what you're Disney to track the to track Terin's two children. Now, that was its original purpose correct?

15:05 Yes. But it was repurposed on June 20th, 2024. Is that fair? Yes. And what was it repurposed for in June of 2024?

15:14 Tracking, Matthew. And at that time in June of 24, who could monitor the Air Tag?

15:20 I believe the same people. I never had access to it. You never had access to it?

15:29 No, I was never on my device. Was I able to access the Air Tag? What devices did you have?

15:35 I had an Android. Um, I can't remember the model. Um, and I also had an iPad. And you couldn't track it on the iPad?

15:44 No, I could not. Permission to approach witness? Yes. just showed you what's previously been marked as states exhibit three. Would you please take a look at that? And when you have an idea what that is, if you could look up

18:24 On June 20th, did you create what appears to be a Facebook group with Rachel, Carolyn, and Tracy?

18:31 Yes. And did you communicate with them through that forum? Yes. And does this appear to be an accurate reflection of that communication that you had with them on that day?

18:41 Yes. The state would move to admit states exhibit three. Any objection, Mr. Williams? No objection. So without objection.

18:52 Permission to publish uh page. No objection. We will not have any objection to the state publishing an exhibit once it's aditted.

19:04 All right. Thank you. All right. So directly report that after an exhibit's been admitted, the defense No objection to publish it. Thank you, Mr. Williams.

19:14 Okay, we can publish page 15, please. Actually, I'm sorry. Do you have page one by chance? Okay. Who all was in the Who all was in the group?

19:28 Myself, Rachel, Caroline, and my mother. Okay. And if you could summarize for me because you just you just skimmed them, right?

19:40 Yeah. What are you guys talking about? The apple tag and Matt coming out and me getting to my mother's house.

19:50 Okay. And could you please read uh the green message that you sent on June 22nd on the screen?

20:01 Kevin has it on his phone, too. What did you mean by that? Access to the Apple tag. So Kevin was Kevin had access to the Apple tag.

20:10 Yes. Did all the other women on this thread have access to the Apple tech? I believe Terin was able to monitor it through an iPad and my mom and Ter my mom and Rachel also had access to it. Yes.

20:29 Okay. So correct me if I'm wrong, but earlier I thought you stated Terin couldn't track it. Is that Are you retracting that and saying now you think maybe she did through an iPad?

20:38 I forgot she had the iPad. Okay. Does it appear that she was tracking it through these text messages?

20:44 Yes. Okay. You should have uh what was previously admitted as states exhibit 29 in front of you. Once you find that, can you let me know?

21:08 Yes, I have it. Are you able to publish the 29? Is that all you have from it? Yes. if you can go to publish page 18. So, if you could either turn to 18 or just look on your screen and you can read off of there if you want. About halfway down through the page um actually we'll just start

21:58 uh 29 page 18. Okay. Hey, if you could please read uh starting with that third message and and tell us who sent that.

22:10 Perfect. Outgoing and who sent that message? I believe I sent that to Terin, correct?

22:21 Yes. Okay. And then the next one I asked Terin I sent another text message to Cherlyn. Check the tag if you're up.

22:30 And then the next one after that, please. Can you send the link to Kevin? And what date did you ask for the link to be sent to Kevin?

22:37 6:21. Okay. And what was her response to you? What's his Apple ID or thing? I mean, just go ahead and go to the next read the next message that has content

22:52 his email. Yeah. Kevin Stanley Ellisgmail.com. We could go to the next page, please. Okay, give me a couple minutes. Just got out of the shower

23:08 and then let's jump down to Let's go to the next page, please. Page 20. And if you could read the second uh second message and tell us who sent that.

23:23 I sent it to Terine. I said, "Got it." And what are you referencing? I believe that Kevin received the link to the Apple tag.

23:36 And how do you know that Kevin received it? I don't recall. Were you Were you with him?

23:44 He was at the house. I don't recall the conversation. But do you recall him being present

23:49 at the house? Yes. Okay. At the time that you're having this exchange with Terling?

23:54 I don't remember. And then let's go down four more messages. If you could read that, please.

24:05 He's on it. And what was Carolyn's response to that? I personally think my emoji is the best.

24:14 And then to the top of page 21, please. And what was your response at the top of page 21?

24:22 Lol. Kevin just comment commented on it. Okay. What was uh what was her response?

24:34 She laughed at it. Okay. And then what would you say? He is shitty. So top one. Lol. Kevin just commented on it. Does that refresh your memory of whether you were having a conversation with

24:47 He must He must have been sitting there. Okay. We can take that down. How long were you in Utah before um before Matt came out?

25:12 How long was I in Utah? Yes. About three weeks. In those three weeks, did uh members of of this group and Kevin and yourself continue to monitor Matt's location?

25:25 Yes. And would you have conversations about that? Yes. Permission to approach a witness.

25:43 Yes. Let's make it easier. Mr. Smith, you have ongoing permission. I'm going to show you what's been previously marked. The states exhibit 4. Would you please take a look at that? And if you have an idea of what that is, please look up.

26:41 Okay. Did you have a text message conversation uh did you communicate with uh Kevin during via text message?

26:49 Yes, periodically. And does this appear to be an accurate reflection of those text messages that you had with him? So, there's one text message in April that he replied back with and then the rest of our conversations are after I got to Utah.

27:09 Yeah. And we'll get there. Yeah. But this appear accurate, correct? Yes.

Questions about this episode

What is discussed in "Ex-Wife Confesses to Tracking Victim with AirTag Amid Marital Problems"?

In order: 0:00 June 15th; 5:00 Teran, Terra Lynn, Clyde Ellis, Ford Expedition; 10:00 Terra Lynn, Target, O'Reilly; 15:00 June 20th, Apple Inc., June 22nd; 20:00 Kevin.

What is mentioned in this Law&Crime Trials episode?

12 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Terra Lynn, Teran, Kevin, Ford Expedition, Clyde Ellis, June 20th. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Ex-Wife Confesses to Tracking Victim with AirTag Amid Marital Problems"?

The episode runs 27 min; the transcript is about 3,114 words in 111 timestamped sections.

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