Bombshell New Video Shifts Pretti Narrative, and Celebs Get Reality Check, with Chamberlain & Goldis

What this episode is about

In a recent press conference, Tom H. Homeman revealed that Minnesota's top Democrats might be reconsidering their sanctuary city policies, particularly regarding cooperation with ICE on releasing individuals with detainers. However, skepticism remains about the sincerity of Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry's commitment to this shift, especially given his previous staunch opposition to assisting federal immigration enforcement, raising concerns about potential legal and constitutional implications under existing state law.

Key takeaways

• Minnesota's Democrats may be softening sanctuary policies, but skepticism lingers—trust is hard to earn, tougher to regain.
• Tom Hman's compromise claims could mask a larger retreat from tough enforcement, raising eyebrows on immigration intentions.
• Keith Ellison's legal advice complicates local ICE cooperation, reminding us that legality often clashes with political ambition.
• The shifting narrative around who gets deported—criminals first or everyone—reveals deep divides within the administration's priorities.
• Megan Kelly's critique reveals a broader political theater: when poll numbers drop, hardline rhetoric often gets a soft reboot.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megan Kelly (Guest) · 1 h 11 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Alex Jeffrey Prey, Tom H. Homeman, BBC, Megan Kelly
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Alex Jeffrey Prey, Donald Trump
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Alex Jeffrey Prey
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Jane Fonda, Eva Longoria, John Leguizamo, Peggy Flanagan
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Bruce Springsteen, Gian Carlo Esposito, Joe Biden, Olivia Wilde
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Alex Jeffrey Prey, Megan Kelly
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Alex Jeffrey Prey
8. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Tish James
9. 1:20:00 – 1:30:00: Riverben Ranch, Tish James
10. 1:30:00 – 1:40:00: Federal Trade Commission, Tish James
11. 1:40:00 – 1:41:30: Joe Biden

Notable quotes from "Bombshell New Video Shifts Pretti Narrative, and Celebs Get Reality Check, with Chamberlain & Goldis"

• Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. Tom H. Homeman, the president's borders are in an early morning press conference announcing Minnesota's top Democrats might be.

  about Megan Kelly · at 0:00

• In an effort to take down the temperature which was raised by these agitators on the street, Trump said, We're going to give up on anybody who's not a criminal. I know. I know.…

  about Donald Trump · at 3:32

• Facebook, and X. A new year means new financial goals like making sure your savings are secure and diversified. Will this be the year you decide to talk to someone from Birch…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 7:03

• Mean, it's not really surprising, but it's stunning in its own way. new video of what the left's latest hero, their latest poster boy for decent, law-abiding observer, Alex…

  about Alex Jeffrey Prey · at 8:06

• Immigration agents 11 days before Border Patrol shot and killed him. Our footage was analyzed by the BBC, whose facial recognition technology confirmed his identity to a 97% degree of accuracy.

  about BBC · at 10:17

• If you're in the country illegally, you're not you're never off the table.

  about Tom H. Homeman · at 26:12

• Independence on this issue. And the reason the poll numbers are cratering is because the left is looking to create conflict in the streets of Minneapolis and the media is too.…

  about Joe Biden · at 27:38

• And so you should feel encouraged because I a super rich, beautiful, talented star like Eva Longoria, I'm with you. Okay? And if I throw in my Spanish accent when I say the…

  about Eva Longoria · at 31:31

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Megan Kelly — Person · Host · 2 mentions · first at 0:00
  Host and primary narrator driving the episode’s framing of Minneapolis/ICE events, media narratives, and celebrity commentary.
• Alex Jeffrey Prey — Person · Central referenced subject (deceased protester) · 16 mentions · first at 8:15
  Key figure in the episode’s dispute over media portrayal vs. video evidence of confrontations with federal agents prior to his fatal shooting.
• Tom H. Homeman — Person · Referenced government official / main policy voice in clips · 3 mentions · first at 0:01
  Presented as the administration’s border/immigration enforcement lead announcing alleged Minnesota cooperation and a focus on ‘criminal aliens.’
• Donald Trump — Person · Referenced political leader (policy decision-maker) · 3 mentions · first at 19:07
  Framed as directing immigration enforcement posture and responding to protests/polling; his administration’s strategy is debated throughout.
• Joe Biden — Person · Referenced political leader (blamed for conditions) · 4 mentions · first at 24:34
  Cited as responsible for ‘open border’ conditions and large inflows; used to justify current enforcement posture.
• Chrissy Gnome — Person · Referenced administration figure (internal policy faction) · 1 mention · first at 4:00
  Cited as part of an internal dispute over whether to target all undocumented immigrants vs. prioritizing criminals; also quoted for ‘domestic terrorist’ label.
  And deal with reality. He was an agitator. He was a terrorist. Honestly, like Christine Gnome took all sorts of for saying he was a domestic terrorist. Yeah, he qualifies. He…
• Eva Longoria — Person · Referenced celebrity commentator · 2 mentions · first at 31:35
  Used as an example of celebrity activism criticizing ICE; host contrasts her messaging with her wealth and security.
• Corey Luwendowski — Person · Referenced political operative (internal policy faction) · 1 mention · first at 4:00
  Paired with 'Christy Gnome' as advocating broader immigration enforcement; used to illustrate internal strategy conflict.
  And Gnome and Luwendowski wanted it to be everyone illegals who are here period and yes we should prioritize the criminals but like we should also be getting the illegals that's what we were.
• Tish James — Person · Referenced public official (teased upcoming segment) · 4 mentions · first at 1:18:43
  Mentioned as the subject of an ‘exclusive interview’ later in the episode; signals a transition to NY AG office-related content.
  Joining me now is a consumer fraud attorney who spent the last four years working for Tish James in the New York State Attorney General's office. Glenna Goldis, in addition to…
• Jane Fonda — Person · Referenced celebrity commentator · 3 mentions · first at 36:36
  Cited as promoting Minnesota political figures and anti-ICE sentiment; used to critique celebrity political messaging.
  Moment. And guess what? The people of Minnesota know this. And they're saying enough. Enough. Leaders like Minnesota's Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanigan, who's been speaking…
• John Leguizamo — Person · Referenced celebrity commentator · 1 mention · first at 39:25
  Quoted issuing a boycott-style statement about ICE supporters; used as another example of celebrity activism.
  If you follow Ice, unfollow me, don't come to my shows, and don't watch my movies.
• Olivia Wilde — Person · Referenced celebrity commentator · 1 mention · first at 42:16
  Quoted condemning ICE and praising protest activity; used to illustrate celebrity rhetoric vs. personal insulation/wealth.
  Shouldn't be surprised to learn she's weighing in now with her little ice out pin. Here it is in ST 23. I'm appalled.
• Gian Carlo Esposito — Person · Referenced celebrity commentator · 2 mentions · first at 47:12
  Quoted calling for ‘revolution’ and alleging ‘rich old white men’ suppress people; used as an example of escalatory rhetoric.
  I'm That's not all. Let me give you Gian Carlo Espazito. He's actually fairly famous for playing bad guys. And here he actually sounds like one. Soft 27. some very rich old white men are.
• Bruce Springsteen — Person · Referenced musician/celebrity commentator · 2 mentions · first at 48:29
  Presented as condemning Trump/ICE and supporting protest framing; used to critique wealthy celebrity political messaging.
  The Austin estate, but that's where he's going to do the revolution from, just FYI. And then there's Bruce Springsteen, who's become the most obnoxious old lady in America. Watch.
• Peggy Flanagan — Person · Referenced elected official (endorsed by celebrity clip) · 1 mention · first at 36:56
  Mentioned via Jane Fonda clip praising her leadership in Minnesota; used to illustrate celebrity alignment with specific politicians.
  Moment. And guess what? The people of Minnesota know this. And they're saying enough. Enough. Leaders like Minnesota's Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanigan, who's been speaking…

Companies & orgs

• BBC — Company · Referenced expert · 2 mentions · first at 8:57
  Cited as verifying the identity of Alex Prey in a controversial video through facial recognition technology.
• Federal Trade Commission — Company · Referenced organization · 1 mention · first at 1:33:25
  Mentioned in the context of an event about pediatric gender medicine and potential fraud.
  So I did that and in June I followed their direction. I follow I was invited to speak at the Federal Trade Commission. They were holding an event in July about this very subject of pediatric gender medicine and whether it.

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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. Tom H. Homeman, the president's borders are in an early morning press conference announcing Minnesota's top Democrats might be bending a little on their sanctuary city policies. I'll believe it when I see it. We haven't heard anything from them. I love Tom Hman. I'm not saying he's being insincere. I just don't trust Do you trust Jacob Fry? I refuse to call him Jacob Frey. I I I won't. He's like a Fanny Willis to me. It's Fry. Um I don't trust him. All he's been saying is we will not assist. We're not helping federal immigration policy, which is exactly what his sanctuary city policy says. He's being totally consistent with the the will of his voters. Uh and the policy that's in place right now in Minneapolis. So, I mean, Tom Hman says he's changing. He says Keith Ellison, the state attorney general, has said that this is an okay thing to do to to

1:03 have the county and city jails now let ICE know if they have a criminal in custody who's about to get released who also has an ICE detainer on them, something they haven't been doing. Okay. Is is this mayor actually going to do that? Because all we keep hearing from him is no, I'm not doing that. and we've been looking for his reaction. We've been updating the Minneapolis Star Tribune to see if he spoke out with them. I I don't see him saying that. I see Homeman saying that the AG Ellison who's in hot water of his own thanks to the fraud scandal there has said that it can happen. I mean, I have a legal opinion from Keith Ellison that he issued not long ago saying it's contrary to law for them to do that. That it's contrary to law in Minnesota for the local jails to hold any detainee, any any criminal longer than they're supposed to be held in order to facilitate an apprehension by ICE. He says it violates the Fourth

2:14 Amendment. So I guess under Keith Ellison's interpretation, what has to happen is the local, the county, and city jailers have to make sure as the detainee, you know, as the the criminal, like whatever, you're an illegal, you get arrested for DWI, you're sitting in the county jail, you bail out, now you're about to get released. What the Ellison legal opinion that's already on the book says is you cannot hold him any longer to call ICE and say, "Hey, he turns out to be an illegal. we're about to send him back out onto the streets.

2:42 Do you want to come get him because you got a detainer against him? They don't do that in Minneapolis. They do do that in all cities that are not sanctuaries. And now Homeman's saying, "Okay, we reached an agreement with Ellison that they're going to help us now." So, I guess is the distinction they've got to call ICE before the guy actually gets the bail because under this Ellison legal opinion, they they're not allowed to hold him for one minute longer than than when they're supposed to be released. So, what exactly is happening?

3:12 I mean, I love like I love that we're saying, you know, we've reached an accommodation. I'd love to hear from the guy who actually has to do it, the mayor of Minneapolis, who's a complete prick and has zero interest in helping enforce federal immigration law. And by the way, just in case you missed what really happened today, what really happened was in an effort to take down the temperature which was raised by these agitators on the street, Trump said, "We're going to give up on anybody who's not a criminal." I know. I know. Tom Hman said, "We're not doing that." I know. He said, "No, no, we'll still, you know, we'll go after the ones who aren't like also criminals on top of being illegals. Um, we will." Like he basically made it sound like, "If we encounter them, we're going to get them." But the mission has changed.

3:58 Don't fool yourself. Tom Hman went in, there was a divide between Christy Gnome and Corey Luwendowski reportedly on the one side and Tom Hman on the other and a couple of others who are on his in his camp on who we should be going after. and Gnome and Luwendowski wanted it to be everyone illegals who are here period and yes we should prioritize the criminals but like we should also be getting the illegals that's what we were elected to do and Tom Hman's general approach has been and I'm I understand it because we only have limited resources worst first the worst first let's prioritize the criminals and now believe me it it it appears that the accommodation we've reached with these locals is we are just going to go after the criminals. And when Tom Hman was specifically asked, what about the others? Like that's got he was like, "Oh, no. You know, they're still technically on the agenda." Oh, I mean,

4:54 you I'll play you the sound as we go through the opening. You'll decide for yourselves. Um I'm sorry, but that's not what we voted for. We actually did vote for all of them to get out. And so this is a win for these protesters that it is. Um like the president's ardent defenders are going to try to spin it. He's like, "No, it's not. He hasn't given an inch. You know, he's tripling down. No, he isn't. He isn't. I mean, it was very clear. And I love Tom Hman. He's doing the president's bidding. The president decided to turn down the heat because his poll numbers are falling on this. I get it. I get it all. But I'm not going to lie to you about what's happening.

5:30 You know, administration officials may try to spin you. That's not happening here. Um so now we're going to prioritize just the illegals, just the ones who have committed an additional crime. And we are also drawing down the number of officers who are in Minneapolis in exchange for this alleged cooperation. Where's the Minneapolis mayor? Where's his statement? Okay, because Keith Ellison is the state attorney general. The state of Minnesota has already been cooperating in this way. We explained this to you yesterday. The state isn't technically a sanctuary state, though it has many sanctuary policies. It's the cities and the counties around Minnesota who have been refusing to cooperate with ICE. So, it's great for Keith Ellison, who again is himself at the center of this fraud scandal involving all the Somali. We played you the tape of him working with them, trying to say, "Oh, this isn't a

6:31 big deal, and how can I help you?" And so on. He's he's exposed. He denies wrongdoing. He's there saying, "Okay, we'll cut a deal where um you know, we'll let these locals help you." Okay, you're going to you're going to let them. I mean, you're you have a legal opinion saying they can't under the Fourth Amendment and also the local officials are not saying that they're on board. So, that's where we are. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this show on YouTube and follow me on Insta, Facebook, and X. A new year means new financial goals like making sure your savings are secure and diversified. Will this be the year you decide to talk to someone from Birch Gold Group? They use an educational approach with a deep understanding of macroeconomics. There are forces pushing the dollar lower and gold higher, which is why they believe every American should own physical gold.

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8:03 At the same time, there's a stunning I mean, it's not really surprising, but it's stunning in its own way. new video of what the left's latest hero, their latest poster boy for decent, law-abiding observer, Alex Prey, was in fact up to the week before his fatal shooting by Border Patrol officers last Saturday. We've heard a lot about how Prey was just an innocent protester, a caring nurse, just making his voice heard in opposition to Trump's evil deportation policies. There were reports that Prey had had, we opened our show with this on Tuesday, a previous confrontation with federal officers. And now we have the video and we have it from two different angles and they're very, very telling.

8:47 Turns out it happened on January 13th in Minneapolis around 10:15 a.m., 11 days before the fatal shooting. The video was filmed by a media outlet called The News Movement. The footage was first verified by the BBC and later PR's parents confirmed that it's him in the video. And let me just tell you something. As soon as this hit, you had the left realizing this is a terrible video for their side because they're trying to lionize this guy and make him into Mother Teresa. Um, immediately saying it's fake. Never heard of this news movement. How do you know it's the BBC?

9:21 I mean, truly, you should see like I posted it almost immediately all my comments from leftists. How are we sure this is BBC? How do we know? Is it real? The guy's parents have verified it's him in the video. So, you're going to have to find a different defense, leftists, and deal with reality. He was an agitator. He was a terrorist. Honestly, like Christine Gnome took all sorts of for saying he was a domestic terrorist. Yeah, he qualifies. He was terrorizing those ICE agents. I'm not excusing the other she said. He went there with an intent to kill the law. No, no, but that term, and you may recall all week long I have said I'm not going to drag her on that term because we don't actually know the full extent of what Alex Prey was doing out there.

10:01 Like, I'm actually still open-minded on on that term. Well, now we see this video. What would you call it? Watch. This is a moment the news movement filmed on January 13th in Minneapolis, showing a man who appears to be Alex Prey interacting with federal immigration agents 11 days before Border Patrol shot and killed him. Our footage was analyzed by the BBC, whose facial recognition technology confirmed his identity to a 97% degree of accuracy. On the morning of January 13th, our team received a tip that federal agents were blocking a street at the corner of East 36 and Park Avenue in Minneapolis. We arrived around 10:15 a.m. We saw observers shouting at the agents as they walked back to their vehicles. When they started driving away, the man kicked their tail light. An agent then got out of the vehicle, grabbed him, and pushed him to the ground.

11:06 During the altercation, agents fired tear gas and pepper balls into the crowd. They continued to hold the man down before they retreat and he walks away.

11:21 The man in our footage is wearing a similar outfit to what Prey was wearing on the day he was killed. What appears to be a gun is also visible above his waistband.

11:32 A gun visible in his waistband. So he was out there with his gun and his anger trying to terrorize, actively harassing law enforcement, federal law enforcement, actually spitting on and attacking federal law enforcement. He was dressed exactly as he was on the day he was shot and killed 11 days later. He smashed their vehicle's tail light in the process, angrily kicking it out. The whole thing came out of the back of the car and fell on the ground. And for the viewing audience, take a look at your screen. Prey was armed in this confrontation, too. You can clearly see his gun in his belt as he went out there and menaced these officers. Now, virtually every Second Amendment lover and expert I know has try been trying to make the point this week to to the people who say, "Oh, you you can't just kill somebody because he's got a gun."

12:32 Of course not. Of course. And no one here has ever suggested that. But what the Second Amendment experts and advocates have been making clear this week is that when you are carrying, you have a heightened duty, not a lower one. You have an extra duty to avoid confrontation, not a lesser one. And especially if you're going to get in the face of law enforcement who are armed, who are under attack, and who have been harassed and tortured every day, all day by agitated, angry, maniacal protesters with the whistles and the cars blocking them and making sure they can't sleep at night in their hotels with the non-stop noise and screaming in their faces, trying to dox them, biting off a finger, attacking them with shovels, bleeding out of their mouths and noses. They try to protect one another. Okay? So, especially if you are going to be confronting one of them and you know you're armed, you have a

13:44 heightened duty to avoid confrontation and certainly if it starts to go there to make very clear upfront that you are armed so you don't take anybody by surprise. He did none of that. He in fact literally begged them to assault him. Okay, that's what's happened here. If if there was any doubt whether Alex Prey was seeking to provoke federal officers, take a look at the second angle of the January 13th confrontation, you can clearly hear him literally urge the federal officers to assault him in a profanity lace tirade.

14:27 you. Get the out of here. you. That's him. you. What the is wrong with you? Your life is you straight, assault me, it. assault me,

14:50 You guys spits on the cop toward the cop. kicks the cop's joint. Double double middle finger. Now the law enforcement officer gets out and confronts him. There's a physical confrontation in which he reportedly broke a rib. But he he was literally begging. This is not hyperbole. This is not me using a figure of speech. He was literally saying, "Fuck you. assault me, motherfucker." I mean, it's right there. All you need are a clear pair of ears to understand exactly what Alex Prey wanted. And he got it. Not exactly the type of guy the Democrats in the media have been telling us he was this entire week. Watch. Alex Prey died as he lived, protecting his neighbors in a country run by cowards. Be like Alex Prey.

15:57 You ask us for peace and we give it and we get shot in the face on the streets coming out of a doughnut shop.

16:02 As his mom described him and dad, he he was a kind-hearted soul and they've asked us to tell the truth about him.

16:11 We can never thank our nurses enough. And the one thing I know about Alex Py's life is that he was never thanked enough.

16:18 Um, where he seems to be helping up a woman who has fallen and a nurse who stepped in to protect a woman from harm.

16:24 All he was doing was helping someone, a woman who'd been pushed over into the snow.

16:31 No matter how hard people tried to thank him because we, the patients, can never find the words big enough to express our gratitude and love to our nurses. Oh my god, this is ridiculous. Yeah, they they love the nurses like this one. assault me. Like the ones we've been featuring on the show this week who want Caroline Levit to have a grade four tear who who want nurse anesthetists to put suctional choline which paralyzes you and would kill you if you weren't under the active care of an anesthesiologist into the veins of ICE agents.

17:11 Uh, so that there's Lawrence O'Donnell. This guy, Alex. He was just a nurse we didn't thank enough. That's all. Just a sweet nurse wanting to help people. And check out what the idiot over at the view. I mean, I one of them, Anna Navario, Anna Navaro said on CNN,

17:29 they killed the wrong guy, right? Because this is the this is like the the perfect guy. Alex Patty is the guy you would want to date your daughter. The want the guy you would want your son to grow up to be. No, it's a no. I don't know what kind of guy Anna Navaro wants women in her family to date, but no, we we do not sane people want our children to grow up to be anything like Alex, petty, bready, and we certainly don't want our sons to grow into him. Uh we do know for certain that he is the kind of guy who would spit on a cop and smash a law enforcement vehicle while armed and beg federal officers to assault him. He wanted his little viral moment. And let me tell you something, he got a taste of the little fame. Like, he enjoyed it.

18:16 I'm sure he was a hero amongst all of his little protester, rider, terrorist types out there on that street corner. And he went right back out there looking for another confrontation. And it got him killed. It got him killed. Do Do you think I mean, think about it. If you had a gun on you and you wound up getting in a confrontation with six border patrol agents, don't you think you'd be saying, "I surrender. I have a gun. I give up. Please don't hurt me." You know, anything. That's not what happened. He was enjoying it. He wanted the confrontation. He was out there literally asking for it.

18:58 So with all the negative headlines, the Democrat hysteria, and of course the reported concerns now about tanking poll numbers on immigration, President Trump decided he had to do something. And unfortunately, um it appears to have been a change in his immigration policy. Again, they're not saying that. That's what it is. Tom Hman announcing a key part of Minnesota's sanctuary policy. may may be getting reversed or suspended. Watch.

19:32 I didn't ask him to be immigration officers. I'm asking to be cops working with the cops to help us take criminal aliens off the street. I'm also pleased to announce I had a very good meeting with Attorney General, Attorney General Ellison, and he has clarified for me that county jails may notify ICE of the release dates of criminal public safety risks so ICE can take custody of them upon the release from the jail. All we want is to talk to the person that local and state law enforcement authorities locked in a jail cell. They chose to lock this person up. When we have these agreements, it takes less law enforcement agents to do the job. One agent can arrest one bad guy in the safety and security of a jail where he's behind the wire. We know we don't have weapons. But when you normally release that public safety threat, illegal alien back in the community, we have a job to do.

20:36 We're going to arrest them. So what could have been done with one person at safety and security jail? Now we got 15, 16 people out there doing it. I know that causes stress in the community. This is common sense cooperation that allows to draw down on the number of people we have here. Yes, I said it. Draw down the number of people here. because we have the efficiency and safety of the jails in the prison.

21:06 Hopefully, I hope you I hope we do. But even if we do, let's be honest, how many how many of the illegals who are in Minneapolis are sitting in the local jails right now because they committed another crime? Again, not like state prison. That's where you go when you get sentenced. They ship you off to the state prison. the local the county jails. That's where they that's like a holding area where they hold you temporarily usually until you have a trial um or if you've been held without bail. And so like that that's a that's a temporary housing situation for people who have been accused. H like we're ignoring the vast majority of the illegals who are in Minnesota. We hadn't been, but now we are really limiting it as an accommodation to these lunatics who are assaulting ICE officers.

21:57 Again, we're still awaiting confirmation for even that sliver of a change from the local officials. Let's hear it from the mayor. If true, it will change things somewhat. ICE will be able to safely take custody of these violent criminals inside secure facilities. Tom H. moment has been saying this is a goal from the beginning making it a safer interaction for for everybody for for ICE border patrol for the illegal alien for the civilians everybody instead of out on the street where he explained today how they had to bring they got to bring all this back up they got they got to have people for the front door they got to have him for the back door they got to have him in case the guy runs they got to like protect if there are children there that that has to be handled with more manpower and so on so like his point is totally valid I mean they should be cooperating on the jails obviously that's the best place to make

22:45 the arrests. But yeah, you get it. A CNN reporter asked Homeman today how how this operation has been allowed to to quote create such fear. And Tom Holman, this is not his first rodeo as you can hear in this response. Watch.

23:06 Shimone Proz from CNN. Mr. Roman, how did we get here? Having border patrol agents in the interior of this country stopping US citizens, asking them for ID, creating this fear in places like Chicago and now here and then finally it took really the death of Alex Petty for us to get here. How did that happen? Who made the decisions to allow this kind of operation to proceed in this way and to create such fear?

23:40 The questions we've seen and why we here what started this 4 years of a open border where millions of people are let in this country unvetted. The politicians are continually attacking us. Where were they the last four years when the number of women children's sex trafficker went alltime high? Where were they when a quarter million Americans died from fentanyl coming across the border? Where were they when women and children are dying making that journey? Where were they four over 4,000 families making that journey died? Historic record. Where were they? Not a word.

24:25 Now, we're just trying to respond to what happened last four years and keeping this country safe.

24:31 That's exactly right. And honestly, the the Trump administration cannot say that enough. They're trying to fix a problem they did not create. This is created by Joe Biden. I mean, so millions of these illegals, they were they were welcomed here. There was a red carpet for them thanks to Joe Biden. And H Homeman kept kept making the point that he said it was 10 million who came in. They think around 10 million that Joe Biden let in. Okay. And he said but there were two million gotaways. And what that means is that they were distracted like the the cartels initiated an operation. and he made the the point that like they'll take a they literally took a baby and threw it in the Rio Grand knowing that the Border Patrol agents would go run to save the baby which is a distraction technique and then the illegals run across. So they don't they they don't want any interaction with Border Patrol. They

25:26 don't want to claim fake asylum. They don't want to be caught and then like allowed to come here after a hearing or not. You know, either way they're allowed to stay because we never deport anybody. But my point is simply they they just wanted to get out of the hair of law enforcement entirely. And he was saying those are the ones who scare him the most. What what was so bad about those people that they needed to be they needed to sneak across quickly without any actual detection. He said it keeps them up at night.

25:54 So he says he's that ICE is now going to target the most dangerous criminal aliens. But he also did say cuz he's and he's been committed to this mission for 50 years. But he did say anybody who cross anybody who crossed the border illegally should not consider themselves off the hook.

26:12 If you're in the country illegally, you're not you're never off the table. Let me say this. If the message we send is you can enter this country illegally, it's a crime. Don't worry about it. You can have your due process, show up in court, not show up in court, get order moved, don't worry about it. Unless you commit a serious crime, you're good to go. If that's the message we sent to the world, you're never gonna fix this problem.

26:40 Uh I don't I don't I don't love where it's going. I mean, as you can glean, I don't love where it's going. Um what they're doing is giving these protesters their way. And um that's going to lead to more of this behavior. You know, I mean, any parent of a toddler understands exactly what happens when you give in and you give them the lollipop or the toy in the grocery store aisle because they're crying and throwing a fit. Going to get a whole lot more of it. The only way to handle that as a parent is usually to distract your child. But if you cannot distract him or her from the thing, you cannot give up give in. You cannot give in.

27:20 The only way is to show them when you say no, you really mean no. and uh we're about to give the child the crying child the toy in the grocery aisle. That's that's how this feels. I again I don't question Tom Holman's motives. I think that President Trump is responding to the thing we've been discussing which is his cratering poll numbers with independence on this issue. And the reason the poll numbers are cratering is because the left is looking to create conflict in the streets of Minneapolis and the media is too. The media wants to create a crisis for President Trump. You know, so far they've gone from Renee Good was just this loving mom dropping off her kid at daycare to now the 5-year-old boy was just seized out of the parents arms. He was abducted and sent to a facility. Um, and now we're on to just a sweet nurse who was there trying to help people. Uh, has been murdered. Murdered.

28:14 And and you know, like even the the headlines about what happened to Alex Prey are just ridiculous now. Like what was the word, Steve, that we were talking about this morning on the one headline? Like interaction. Alex Prey had previous interaction with law enforcement. Oh, is that all it was? Okay. When he spat on them and assaulted them and and kicked in their vehicle tail light, all committed several felonies and then resisted arrest. Just a sweet little interaction. You know, it's just like when I go over to like Joe Friday, the officer on the corner, and say, "Thank you for your service."

28:50 That's all he that's all that happened. So, that's what's driving the numbers, the dishonesty of the media, and the agitation bought and paid for in part by the the American sitting in Shanghai. Great. The George Soros wannabe who's paying these agitators, as we've reported earlier this week. Uh, and we're giving them their way, at least in part. And the one accommodation we say we got from Keith Ellison has not yet been confirmed by the local mayor. So, we'll see. Balls in Jacob Fry's court. In the meantime, we have a whole host of celebrities weighing in in their most dramatic fashion they can. And we're going to go through a few of these with you because these people are disgusting. They're completely hypocritical and they don't give two shits about the children of America. They don't care. They do not care about rape victims, molestation victims, DWI victims, all of whom have died or been severely hurt by illegal

29:57 immigrants in this country. They never post a video for them. They never shed a tear for them. They only now are getting activated because it's super fun to say you hate ICE Trump's boogeymen. That'll earn you clicks. That could help your awards season push. That makes you a virtuous person. No, no clicks or snaps or applauding if you stand up for the young girls of the world or of America who are being raped by these illegals. No, no. What you need to do is sit at your multi-million dollar estate and talk about how ICE is the devil. Okay?

30:41 Because see, you're protected. You're protected. You've got a multi-million dollar resort. You've got a manor. It's it's it's an estate. It's sprawling. You got to have, you know, over 10,000 square feet. That's kind of the bare minimum for you to really have strong feelings on ice from the look of it. And you have to sit in it uh with your fountains and your staff and your multiple Birkin bags bags and you have to make clear that people need to continue putting their lives at risk by going out there on the streets and interfering with law enforcement that they're noble and you know you'd love for them to keep doing that. I mean, you're not going to do it because you you got a massage later and also like an appointment with your astrologologist and a Manny Petty, but you love that they're doing it. And um you know, you go and just so you know, I'm with you and so you should feel encouraged

31:32 because I a super rich, beautiful, talented star like Eva Longoria, I'm with you. Okay? And if I throw in my Spanish accent when I say the Spanish names, so much the better. It shows that like I'm one of you. So even if I am not gonna risk a thing, I'm just like you. Okay? So good luck. I'm sorry if you die. I will definitely post a tearful video. Um but you go. You go girls and and guys, here she is.

32:07 Everything that's happening in Minneapolis is so destabilizing. It's horrible. The murder of Alex Freddy, horrible. The murder of Renee, good, horrible. They're blatantly murdering US citizens, detaining 5-year-olds like Liam Ramos, patrolling schools and churches. So, imagine what they're doing behind closed doors at detention centers with no cameras around. Nobody there to have proof of what they're doing. And we need Ice Out.

32:40 She's wearing her little button, ice out. She's fresh off of her appearance at the Sundance Film Festival because she's a woman of the people. Yeah, she's a woman of the people as you can tell um from her home, which was estimated by celebrity net worth to be u well her her net worth is estimated to be north of $80 million. Um she and her husband purchased their dream villa in Marbella, Spain in early 2023. We're showing it on the screen now for the listening audience. It's got marble archways. It's described as a $15 million property. In some reports, I'm telling you right now, it's more than that. It looks like it's more like 40 million. Um, it is located little luxurious home in the prestigious Sierra Blanca area. It features six bedrooms. Don't you have six bedrooms in your home, which is over in Spain and just one of the many you own? And she wanted to show it off. It was important

33:32 that you see how rich she is. That's why she posed for all these photos in it with her long legs like he's so sexy. I look sexy in my sexy mansion. seven bathrooms, an indoor pool because outdoor is never enough, sauna, home gym, which she bought and renovated. According to a November 2025 real estate.com article in 2015, she also snapped up a Hollywood Hills compound for something around $17 million. It had previously been owned by Tom Cruz. And here she is outside at the pool on the diving board in front of the beautiful LA sunset.

34:07 illegals, come here. You love them so much, Eva. Why don't you invite them there? Maybe they could go for a swim with you. She also owns a gated residence, gated being the operative word, in Zuma Beach, Malibu. Because, you see, Eva needs a gate to protect herself from the illegals and from the criminals. But you don't. You can't have any sort of a gate. Whether it's Tom Hman and ICE or Christine Nomen Border Patrol, it's a no. She can have guards. She can have a gate. She can have a sprawling resort. And you cannot sorry you can't afford it. But like she does care about you and she really appreciates, you know, your your protesting efforts. She bought a Beverly Hills mansion. How many do we have now?

34:53 We have Spain. Um we have Hollywood Hills. We have Malibu. We have Beverly Hills. That one she bought for someplace between 13 and 20 million. It hit the market in 2023. It was uh at at 35 million and she later slashed the price down to it was at sorry it was it was a mere 23 million and she had to slash the price down to 19 million. I mean hard times. That's that's got to be rough. So that's Eva. Okay. Eva really cares about her people, right? She wants to play the Spanish card. Um, it's interesting because I I don't remember the tearful video, the the button being worn for Arya Cruz Asencio.

35:38 AR, she doesn't know who that is. Arya and neither do you because the media wouldn't make Arya a household name. Arya was killed in a car accident. Nobody even knows about this child. And she was killed in a car accident by an illegal who was a repeat DUI offender. Okay, so Eva does not know who Arya is. because she doesn't give a She would never look up people like Lincoln and Riley, um, people like Jocelyn Nungare. She doesn't know what happened to her. She doesn't know what happened to Arya. What happened to Arya was Arya was killed by a repeat DUI offender who was an illegal from Guatemala who crossed a double line and pulverized her. Uh, she was the daughter of a US Marine, okay, named Oscar. And um Eva posted nothing about her because she doesn't give a She doesn't know anything about her or any of the others that we've covered repeatedly on this show and others. She's worried more

36:33 about her mansion in Spain. Um it's not just Eva. Let's keep going. Jane Fonda, she's got thoughts. Let's take a listen to what's on Jane's mind. This is it. This is our documentary moment. And guess what? The people of Minnesota know this. And they're saying enough. Enough. Leaders like Minnesota's Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanigan, who's been speaking truth to power and fighting for our democracy. We need more fighters like Peggy in government. Okay. And she's also out there now calling on women to channel their internal lesbian anger against Trump and ICE. I'm going to spare you that video.

37:20 Trust me, it's ridiculous. She's got a lesbian standing behind her, but she's really upset with ICE, as you know, and she wants everyone to channel their anger against ICE because now would be a great time to jin up anger against ICE. Jane Fonda is not going to have to worry about any of these illegals coming to hurt her. As of early 2026, her net worth is estimated to be approximately $200 million. Um, following her divorce from Ted Turner, she received uh a settlement ranging from $40 to $70 million in cash. Uh she's owned several luxurious eco-conscious properties, most notably a 7100 foot Beverly Hills mansion. Um her current nearly $6 million three-story townhouse in Century City. Look at this for the listening audience. This is her Beverly Hills.

38:04 Okay, this is her Century City. This is like the the more modest version for the 88-year-old version of Jane. Every 88-year-old, you know, is living like this, aren't they? Um she has a Beverly Hills mansion. She sold it in 2018 for 8.5 million. Uh 7,100 square f feet, four bedrooms, 6.5 bath, Florida ceiling windows, solar heated pool, a meditation garden, a master suite with a two-le sitting room. This Century City townhouse purchased in 2017 for 5.45 million, 5700 ft², 4bedroom, 7 bath, three-story home services her primary residence now located in a gated community featuring a private elevator, a courtyard, and a third floor patio.

38:42 She also has a Santa Fe ranch which she owned. 2,300 acres. Do you have 2,300 acres in Santa Fe, New Mexico? Do you have any idea how much that would cost? At least 20 million according to realtor.com. She had it for 15 years. She sold it to build a custom sustainable riverhouse and I could go on. So she doesn't have to worry, you see, about the illegals coming to get her in her home like we talked about with Elizabeth stabbing her to death in her bathtub. She's good. She But she really wants you to go out there and protest ICE, who's trying to make sure little kids in Minneapolis don't have to deal with this Um, let's keep going. These are not the only two Nimrods out there. How about John Legazamo? He's got thoughts. Let's see what they are.

39:36 If you follow Ice, unfollow me, don't come to my shows, and don't watch my movies.

39:45 Yeah, well, if I want to, I will. And you can't stop me. Tough Um, but I'm not really feeling inspired because you two, John Legisamo, are a disgusting hypocrite. Your net worth is tens of millions of dollars and you've owned several notable properties reportedly, including a 150-year-old renovated townhouse in Manhattan's West Village featuring a wisteria covered backyard, an antique-filled aesthetic, and a cave-like dining room. Um, he previously owned, look, and there are pictures of it. And do you know why there are pictures of it? Because he too was dying for you to see how rich he is. He like, if you want to show off your home, okay, can show off your home. Why would you attach your name to it other than to tell everybody, "I'm rich. Look at me." Look at him posing for his pictures. Yeah, I've made it. And you haven't. So, John um previously owned a four-story East Village brownstone and a

40:39 7.6 acre lakefront retreat in Kingston, New York. Uh his West Village town home, 19th century home, renovated to include a mix of antique furniture, dark tone living room, and Venetian plastering in a basement office. East Village Brownstone was located on East 7th Street, fourbedroom property. Uh featured brick fireplaces, vated ceilings, and a large terrace. Sold it for 4 million uh in 2013. Upstate, that retreat in Kingston, 7.64 acre property, including a stone fireplace, exposed wood beams, a guest cottage, and a pool.

41:09 Listed in 2011 for just under $1 million. Oh, it's got a it had a guest cottage. You could actually host some of these illegals there, John. Did you? I don't I don't think so. Let's check in with another Hollywood celeb who thinks she knows better, Olivia Wild, who made a name a couple years ago for um for herself by mocking Jordan Peterson fans as incelss because she thought it was super funny that these young men who have the highest suicide rate of anyone in America might actually seek some mental health guidance from a guy like Jordan. She thought this would be a great opportunity to mock them. Those losers who haven't had sex. It's great. Look at them crying with Jordan Peterson. Look at me. I'm a Hollywood actress. Starred in movies. I'm hot. I get all the best men. I'm worth tens of millions of dollars. And these ugly losers are out there following Jordan Peterson. That's Olivia Wild. So, you

42:12 shouldn't be surprised to learn she's weighing in now with her little ice out pin. Here it is in ST 23. I'm appalled. I'm sickened. And uh we can't go another day just sort of accepting this as our new norm. It's it's outrageous. People are being murdered. And I I I don't want to normalize seeing people being murdered on the internet, on film. It it it's it's hideous. And so if we can do anything out here to support um the movement to cast ICE out to delegitimize this unbelievably um criminal organization um then that's what we should be doing.

42:51 So I'm proud to wear that. I mean you see the marches happening around the country. Americans are speaking up in in huge numbers and it's dangerous to be a protester now and people are still going out into the streets which is incredibly inspiring. Yes. It's inspiring. so inspiring. She may actually venture out of her $10 million estate. Let's take a look where Olivia W. Oh, it's actually too big to even really fit in the picture. It looks like something that like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt own together. I mean, it looks like a castle. It's got the um the Spanish roof, you know, like the terracotta with the white uh facade.

43:30 It's got impeccable landscaping. It could be a slice out of the Versailles Gardens. It goes on and on. You can't even see really the end of it. But Olivia would love for you to go out into the streets of Minneapolis and put your life at risk by confronting law enforcement. She's totally inspired. So inspired she will give you a few words from Sundance Film Festival where she's sipping champagne and rubbing elbows with Hollywood's most elite. Do you feel inspired? I hope you do. By the way, I I don't remember Olivia shedding a tear for or uh speaking out at all about Kayla Hamilton. Where where was Olivia when Kayla Hamilton was murdered in her mobile home by an illegal immigrant who was here, of course, unlawfully. The guy uh whose name was Walter Javier Martinez. He was here from El Salvador.

44:25 He came in under Joe Biden in 2022. And just for good measure, Olivia, you didn't speak out about Kayla, a young woman who was brutalized and murdered by him. This guy actually not only murdered Kayla, he confessed to four other murders and two rapes. I mean, maybe maybe the ICE agents who found him uh and were looking for him could have used a shout out at that time. But I guess we're going to go the other way. We're just going to we're going to on them now that they're actually trying to find these bad guys and prevent another Kayla from dying. But you would like to dump on them from your sprawling mansion in Beverly Hills. I get it. That's totally noble of you. I mean, honestly, we we all deeply admire you. The sacrifice is amazing.

45:12 This is Kayla's mom who actually spoke out against Selena Gomez when she tried this And the White House put her testimonial on its website.

45:21 On July 27th, 2022, I received the worst news that a parent doesn't want to hear that my newly 20 20 yearear-old daughter, Kayla Hamilton, was murdered in her own room and left on the floor like trash. At the end of March of 2022, Kayla's murderer was apprehended by border patrol, crossing illegally into the US at the southwest border in Rio Grande City, Texas. I am not sure if he was vetted or not, but he was a 16-year-old known gang member affiliated with MS13 in El Salvador. Kayla had autism, but she was determined to live independently and make her way in this world. And my baby paid the ultimate price. The murderer went into Kayla's room, strawling her, grabbed her iPhone, her iPod charger, and wrapped it around her throat and face while strangling her to death. Kayla grabbed her phone and called her boyfriend, but went to voicemail. The murderer then violently sexually assaulted Kayla. Kayla's

46:26 boyfriend came home from work and found her dead on the floor. The charger cord was tight was so tight around her neck and face that her boyfriend had to use his teeth to get it off. For me, this is not a political issue. This is a safety issue for everyone living in the United States. This could have been anyone's daughter. Kayla wasn't doing anything wrong, and she didn't deserve to be murdered. I don't want any other parent to live the nightmare that I am living. I am her voice now, and I am going to fight with everything I have to get her story told and bring awareness of the issue at the border.

47:01 That's poor Tammy Nobles. Would that change Olivia's opinion? No. As you well know, it wouldn't. I'm That's not all. Let me give you Gian Carlo Espazito. He's actually fairly famous for playing bad guys. And here he actually sounds like one. Soft 27. you know, some very rich old white men are um exerting their power to suppress um our own people, thus creating a feeling of civil war in the streets, preparing the hate uh the haters to hate, teaching them how to shoot. They're not even trained, right? To kill. This is all a preparation for a very insidious um uh problem that's happening in our world. This is time for a revolution.

47:51 It's time for it. And they don't even know that's what they're starting. But we have to be strong enough to to to know that we can change the world. We have to change it from within.

48:02 John Carlo will be joining the revolution from his 2600 foot residence in Austin, Texas, valued over a million dollars, which he bought after he sold off his mansion in Ridgefield, Connecticut, which he bought for over a million dollars. um and was sprawling and spectacular. Okay, so I don't know, maybe it'll be the Connecticut estate or the Austin estate, but that's where he's going to do the revolution from, just FYI. And then there's Bruce Springsteen, who's become the most obnoxious old lady in America. Watch.

48:38 Trump's federal thugs, Peter. his face and his chest. Then we heard the gunshots and Alex pretty lay in the snow. Oh my god. All right, that's enough. You get the You get the point. He's pro revolution. Okay, he's anti- ice. His worth is over a billion dollars per Forbes. His primary residence is a sprawling 127 acre equestrian estate in Colts Neck, New York. He also owns um a sprawling property in Beverly Hills valued at just a poultry 11 million. I could go on. Um again, he'll be doing the revolution remotely and with his guitar, but the rest of you should definitely put your lives on the line to protect people like Walter Javier Martinez, the killer of Kayla Hamilton with his five total murders and two rapes. You definitely should put your your life on the line because Bruce is going to play a song for you. and Eva, you know, nearly makeup free, is going to say something nice about you and

49:46 someone might dain to think of you at the at the Sundance Film Festival. So, good luck with that. We'll be right back with Will Chamberlain. A lot to discuss uh in 2 minutes. Before the cameras, before the ceremony, before history is made, every detail is chosen. From Amazon MGM Studios comes Melania. This new film takes you inside the 20 days leading up to the 2025 presidential inauguration through the eyes of the first lady herself. Where fashion is not just style, it's strategy. Witness the image defining decisions made behind closed doors, a celebration of duty and glamour.

50:26 Melania, only in theaters starting January 30th. Joining me now, Will Chamberlain, an attorney and senior counsel for the article 3 project. He works with our friend Mike Davis. Will, welcome back. So, this new video of Alex Prey is very telling and it exploded last night on the internet. There were there were very heated debates on X about whether it's relevant and I thought you had the best take of anybody on why it is relevant. I'm just going to refresh the audience's memory from last hour and show you the second angle of it where you can hear him yelling uh at the agents here in Satu.

51:03 you. Get the out of here. you. That's him. you. What the is wrong with you? Every mistaking you make your life is not wrong. Look at you straight, assault me,

51:24 fing assault me. you guys. There he goes. Tries to spit on the ice agent with anger. kicks in the tail light which comes off the truck entirely. Double middle finger. Now out comes the agent. Confrontation. He resists and they let him go and 11 days later he would do it again and uh he was he was killed in that second altercation. So your thoughts on why this is relevant even if these are the same any of the same guards it's obviously relevant. Um because if they recognize this guy as a as a terrorist. Yes, of course. But even if they didn't know that this was a guy they had had a confrontation with 11 days earlier, you make the case for why we're all having this reaction to it.

52:14 Walk us through it, Will. Well, so it defeats the left's narrative, right? You know, the the legal aperture, the way we would view this legally is just from the perspective of the reasonable officer who would be in the shoes of the person who shot Alex Prey a few days ago. Um, and we've had a slew of legal analysts explain that the likely outcome of a of a dispassionate analysis of that shooting is that he it was a lawful shoot because I mean there's a variety of reasons. The guy was violently aristing resisting arrest. He had a gun on him and the officers weren't shooting them and all of a sudden they got scared by something. Uh, probably his holster being empty, somebody saying gun. We don't know if that's exactly what happened, but that's a reasonable suspicion. And then he was shot. And it's the left that's tried to open the aperture from the legal perspective on self-defense to all these other claims

53:04 about uh oh, ISIS is executing people on the street and this was a nurse who was just trying to help a woman who was in distress. And you know, he was just protesting the evil of ICE and these people are untrained and blah blah blah blah blah. And the thing is, it's like, okay, well, now the aperture is really open and now we're really seeing who this guy was and your narrative is totally blown up and now you want to shrink the aperture back down and say, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. We need to only be thinking about what happened on that day. It's like, well, that's what we've been trying to tell you the whole time and what we what the analysis hasn't changed.

53:35 That's so exactly right. Thank you for saying it so articulately. Um, uh, Eric Ericson's been online trying to like call back conservatives who are moved by this video, saying, quote, "Guys, Alex Prey was clearly an activist agitator in this clip. He was also disarmed before Border Patrol agents killed him. The Team Sport insistence on dragging the dead man is kind of gross at this point. I understand pushing back against a narrative, but let the dead die." He was responding to Mark Tissson who tweeted out this video with a comment just an innocent nurse who was quote directing traffic. I I completely disagree with Eric Ericson on this and I know you do too. It's not a team sport insistence on dragging the dead man. It is a battle right now for actual facts which are being spun by the left into fiction. And those of us on team reality understand perfectly well what this guy was. And most of us I've seen you as well this

54:33 week even before this second video came understood exactly what we were dealing with even before this this video. But this just confirms it.

54:42 Yeah. Yeah. I mean Eric Ericson's been in this game a long time. I don't know why he's still falling for leftwing agit prop because that was obviously what this is. I think, you know, if you're actually trying to take a sort of grand view of what's happening, it's sort of the importation of Palestinian politics into the United States, right? Like this is instead of paliwood, this is now miniwood. Um it's the you know the creation the agit the the agitation by lawless elements against the legitimate authorities of law enforcement to try and create a propaganda spectacle that that can be used to delegitimize the the the legitimate forces of government and the legitimate law enforcement. That's so that's all we're seeing here. And so what I I don't get I mean how does Eric Eric not Ericson not see that? And there is one really interesting thing I think about what that video the the the old

55:28 video kind of reveals about the new one. The old video shows that this guy is an unhinged violent lunatic against ICE agents. So, go back to the new one. Remember how

55:37 Right. Right. So, go back to the the the one where he was shot. What was he doing at the very beginning of this video? He was directing traffic. What's he doing when he's directing traffic? Well,

55:47 exactly. Well, it's kind of colored by the fact that we now know this guy's an unhinged violent lunatic attacking ICE agents. He's directing an obstruction of ICE affairs. So again, the whole, you know, there's this idea that somehow the ICE officers instigated this with Alex Prey. No, Prey and his agitator colleagues instigated a felony violation of 18 USC 1111. They were actively intentionally obstructing a law enforcement operation that kicked off this whole thing. And then a slew of other, you know, essentially terribly poor slew of examples of terribly poor judgment created the circumstances in which another officer likely felt and reasonably felt that either his life was in danger or somebody else's life was in danger.

56:29 That that I mean that's the thing. Well, he it's right there on the tape. He wanted to be attacked. He repeatedly worked to create circumstances where he would be attacked. He did that while armed with a loaded gun he knew would raise the fear levels and the perceived threat levels by any officer with whom he came into conduct contact. And then on top of that, once he got his wish and got attacked, he resisted the arrest both times. I mean, it it's almost turning into a suicide by cop situation. I mean like if you wanted to die at the hands of a law enforcement officer, this this would definitely be an avenue you could consider,

57:12 right? And you see like, you know, the beas and buttthead of pro progressive commentary, people like Tim Miller and John Favro continuously in saying things like, "Oh, he didn't deserve this. This this was an unjust punishment. He didn't deserve to be executed." And it's just it's a complete category error. It's not even wrong. It's just it's you're not even thinking about this in the right way from from conception because punishment happens through the judicial system. Punishment is what would have happened had this guy submitted to arrest. This was lawful self-defense and defense of others. So, it's all about the individual rights of the person. And so, when we talk about the actions of prey as flawed, we're not saying that the shooting was punishment for those actions. Rather, we are saying they were reckless actions that created the risk of death in an encounter with law enforcement. And in the same way that

58:01 you wouldn't say somebody is like deserves to be punished when they die from playing Russian roulette or crossing eight lanes of traffic, they they just took a reckless risk and got unlucky,

58:11 right? I mean, it's not it's it's not unlike the Michael Brown situation in Ferguson, Missouri, where he he assaulted an officer and then he charged the officer and that's why he got shot and killed. No one's like, "He deserved to die." It's like, "No, no one's saying that like the final punishment for an assault was him getting shot." It's the question is not did he deserve it. The question is, was the officer justified and responding the way he did given the threat that was created by the other person. That's exactly the analysis here. And it's only these leftists who want to spin it into deserved or didn't.

58:45 Um, you know, and now, as you point out, they want to skinny that aperture down to just like, oh, well, you know, you can't even take into consideration his prior bad behavior. You can, and to me, the thing that's the most telling is how angry he is. He was so torquked up in that earlier video. I mean, if you if you haven't seen it, members of the audience, you got to go back and look at it online. You can, you know, we start a second hour with it. We started the first hour with it. Um, he is rageful. will and that would translate into his next physical confrontation with those officers. They can feel the amount of rage in a body that's resisting them. It amps up everybody's uh tense tensions and stress and alert levels. Like he truly is the one who created all of the tempers and the worries and the fears among the officers who had to deal with him this past Saturday. None of which gets factored in

59:37 by the left. Yeah, I think there there's only one real legitimate critique of federal law enforcement here. It's that they failed to take him into custody during that first assault. You know, you can actually make a legitimate argument that that's there that failure may have led to his death because it didn't, you know, give him a 24-hour cooling off period and lock up to think about his actions and maybe change course. Uh, and certainly what he did in that in that earlier video is certainly deserving of immediate detention. Uh, the guy's a danger to the community based on that conduct. You don't just go around kicking law enforcement officers and demanding they assault you. That's, you know, at a minimum it's like a mental health issue that perhaps you need to get examined for. So, uh, none of this is none of this looks good for him. And I guess again, suicide by cops seems right. The guy's showing up with a gun

1:00:22 to to aggressively confront law enforcement without ID. Maybe he apparently scrubbed his social media, too. Like, really? I mean, maybe this is suicide by cop. Maybe that's what this is. Honestly, like that's what occurred to me because like if you if you wanted to do it and make yourself a martyr, you you'd play it out exactly this way. I mean, exactly this way. Although I think you would have tried to reach for your gun um more explicitly, you know, but he was being held down by the officers. I don't know. But this was extremely reckless behavior by him. Uh and the reason the prior video is is relevant is it does give us a window into how I mean truly this guy was not stable. 37 years old, not married, no kids, working as a nurse, not getting a bunch of accounts from friends and so on. I'm not sure exactly who Alex Prey really was, which is why all week I have I've been hitting Gnome on saying that, you know, he was

1:01:17 brandishing his gun and and he was actively he went there to kill law enforcement. But I have not hit her on the domestic terrorist thing because I've been saying to the audience that we don't know actually. Let's find out more about Alex Prey. And sure enough, the more we learn, the more we learn this guy was a terrorist of sorts. He was terrorizing ICE. Would you consider somebody a domestic terrorist who had spat on you? Who had kicked out the tail light of your car? Who's screaming in your face, attack me? Who resisted arrest when you try toffect it twice? Uh, yeah, I would. Um, but here's the narrative we've been getting all week. All right, let's go.

1:01:52 This one went viral. They said it. Somebody took this video of Elizabeth Warren and said it to

1:01:57 his outburst. I'm just going to show you the original Elizabeth Warren video from the Senate floor trying to read testimonials about this guy.

1:02:07 Alex was an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital, a nurse for veterans. He was a son, a brother, a friend, a caretaker. and he was killed while he was trying to help a woman who had been pushed to the ground by a federal agent. 17 days earlier, ICE agent shot and killed Renee Good, a 37year-old American citizen and mom, dropping off her kid at school. She had stuffed animals in her glove compartment. Her last words on this earth were,

1:02:44 "I'm not mad at you." ICE agents detain Liam, a 5-year-old boy who was literally ripped off the streets by the strap of his Spider-Man backpack, a preschooler. The amount of like propaganda disinformation in that clip. Well, it's stunning.

1:03:07 You could you could spend half an hour analyzing that two minutes. Honestly, I mean that I'm just reminded again of that ridiculous claim about how because the last words you said were, "I'm not mad at you." as though you needed to take those literally. Any heterosexual male knows that you are making a grave error if you take those words literally from your partner. Just a grave great mistake.

1:03:26 Nothing. Right. There's nothing wrong. I'm not mad at you. Yeah. Are you upset? No. No. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay.

1:03:33 Cool. Great. Okay. So, we're good. I'm going out with the buddies, right? Yeah. I'm sure that's exactly what she wants you to do. Yeah. Yeah. straight straight men know better. I remember like

1:03:41 you're so right. No, Tim Miller was making this claim and that's when I knew he was gay. So

1:03:48 all of it I mean like it's such obvious propaganda and now we see, you know, the truth about him and and the media, you know, we talked about yesterday or two days ago the MSNBC clip that tried to make him look hotter than he was. Alex Freddy gave him more hair, gave him a tan, changed the shape of his nose, fixed his teeth, lightened them as well. It was made his bicep bigger. Absurd. Dick Durban also used the doctorred photo to try to make him look good. Here's that.

1:04:14 This photo shows the last second before the ICE agent killed Alex Prey on the streets of Minneapolis.

1:04:23 In his right hand is his camera, left hand holding the ground. No gun, obvious. No effort to resist. Obvious. This was a moment when this man lost his life. He was characterized afterwards as an assassin, a domestic terrorist. The photo tells the story.

1:04:48 Okay. The only problem with that photo that he's showing for listening audience, it's Alex Prey in the hands of law enforcement with one law enforcement officer with a revolver right up against his head or right right by Alex's head. Is that it's completely made up. It's AI. And will care to tell the audience how we know it's AI?

1:05:06 Well, because there's another law enforcement officer that's apparently headless. Uh, which is a impressive feat for,

1:05:13 you know, ICE is capable of many impressive feats, but I don't think, uh, conducting law enforcement operations without a head attached is is one of them. Uh, yeah, I mean, Dick Durban's well past his his uh,

1:05:24 you know, his day his best days at this point. He's well past his prime. Um, yeah, that was actually obvious to me when I interact, you know, had a judiciary committee uh conversation with him a few weeks ago and and he wasn't able to just handle the fact that he he had this whole gotcha line of questioning against me and then I just answered one of the questions in a way he didn't anticipate and then he never changed his line of questioning and nothing made any sense.

1:05:45 Um, he couldn't he wasn't nimble enough. You could tell it even in that soundbite you could kind of hear he's a little unsteady now. It's like they they all stay forever. We really do need term limits of some sort. I don't know. It's not good for us. Um, but yeah, so there are those two. Uh, you got CNN, MSNBC relying on doctorred photos. They've now taken it down after our report the other day. You've got Dick Durban showing a headless border patrol agent um as as part of an execution, what looks like an execution of Alex Prey. All false. And then you've got this performative outrage we talked about with the celebrities. This one just came in.

1:06:20 Here's Lady Gaga in Japan, which you cannot get into. If you want to be an illegal immigrant sneaking into Japan, good luck. But here she is lecturing the Japanese about ICE.

1:06:35 I want to take a second to talk about something that's extremely important to me, something important to people all over the world and especially in America right now. In a couple of days, I'm going to be heading home. And my heart is aching. Thinking about the people, the children, the families all over America who are being mercilessly targeted by ICE.

1:07:12 Not by the illegals. I'm thinking about all of their pain and how their lives are being destroyed right in front of us. I'm also thinking about Minnesota and everyone back at home who is living in so much fear and searching for answers on what we all should do. When entire communities lose their sense of safety and belonging, it breaks something in all of us.

1:07:48 That's true. That's what's happening to us from these illegals with us tonight.

1:07:56 She's such a good person. She's such a good person, Will. and she's really happy to take a moment out of her world tour in Japan all dangled up with like her her bangles and her wig to tell us that she cares. When she goes home, it'll be to her Malibu mansion that's $22.5 million. It's her primary residence. It's a Tuscan Villa style home. Sits on nearly 6 acres across from the beach. I mean, it's great to get 6 acres in Malibu on the water. That's a wonderful privilege. This is her on vacation someplace showing us her ass.

1:08:27 Um, her ho house has at least five bedrooms, seven baths, an open floor plan with exposed wood beam ceilings, and a primary suite with its own private terrace. Amenities include a wine celler, home theater, wet bar, horse barn, and perhaps most unexpectedly, a 1960s era bowling alley. That'll be super fun. She should have some of these illegals over to enjoy it with her. Um, she also has a team of bodyguards. will one is so famous for always being with her that her fans know the guy as Pete and they will shout out to Pete Pete this that the other thing. So Lady Gaga, she doesn't have to worry. There he is defending her at her concerts. Lady Gaga does not have to worry the way Kaye Kayla Hamilton did when she was in her mobile home about getting attacked by a gang member of Trenda here from um some other country who will murder her as his fifth victim. She's good. She just wants to sit and feel virtuous in Japan where

1:09:29 they let no one in. Right. This this is all very hunger games and the behavior of the capital uh in the idea that you know what is their primary concern here? Well, it's the the welfare of their illegal under the table servants. Um and you know maybe I don't think normal Americans think very much of that. I also think I mean you brought up John Carlo Espazito and his talk of revolution. I I have these people are these people's political sophification is just at the at the floor. They haven't thought through the consequences of what they're talking about. I mean, it certainly wouldn't be good for John Carlo's house for there to be a revolution, shouldn't we? Wouldn't be good for any of these people. It would be extremely violent thing. And yet, there's just this new sort of it's it's almost like the left simply cannot tolerate the idea of the right-wing controlling the federal government. That

1:10:17 it's that that idea is fundamentally illegitimate and that if the right-wing attempts to exercise power, we're enforcing book laws that have been on the books for 30 years. were sticking with the law very very closely and not only are they supporting this basically a domestic insurrection in Minneapolis uh and then they're saying that if if Republicans don't go along with it well we need to have a revolution and overthrow the government like you guys really you guys really want that I mean and it's it reminds me also I you must have covered this at some point where it's Galloway and Caris Swiss are talking about Nermberg trials uh with unbelie you know and those people are political commentators that's an you I'll give actors a pass for being sort of ignorant. This not being their area of expertise. Galloway and Swisser have no such excuse. You know, they they're political commentators. You're

1:11:02 threatening Nurburgg trials. Like the the federal government is run by Nazis. Should we beat you to it?

1:11:08 Right? Like what what are you suggesting here? You know, you mean do you think we'll just passively allow ourselves to be executed? No. So maybe you should tone it down a little bit. Uh unless you actually decide you want to launch something and open a Pandora's box that really can't be closed.

1:11:23 And they mean it. I mean, you could tell they were they were doubling and tripling down in that conversation. They really do want those Nermberg trials. Like, they were all for it. Um, then you've got this guy. I mean, he's not totally relevant to our discussion, but I I have to put him on the air. He's a BBC presenter.

1:11:41 I don't know if you saw this online. Uh, he's a presenter, which means news anchor, uh, over across the pond. And he has decided, hold on a second, let me get his name because nobody knows who he is. Giles Corin. C O R N. He has decided sadly, Will, he will not be coming to the United States as previously planned for his family vacation. Listen,

1:12:02 we had this this holiday coming up. Uh and I was quite excited to go and and and and uh and then I just this thing happened with my Minneapolis. I love America in the in the Bush years. Everyone, all the all my liberal friends go, "Oh, it's so terrible Bush." I go, "No, the Americans, they're great. It's okay when you're there." And then this the the second shooting, the Saturday, I I I literally went online and I just canceled. I lose about 150 quid in taxes. I just canceled it. I thought I'm not going there. They've got halftrained goons packing, walking the streets of blue state, liberal cities like Minneapolis, and you say the wrong thing and you end up being shot six times in the back of the head while pinned to the floor. I, you know, I wasn't planning to to to get in the way of any ICE agent, but you never know what's going to happen. And I just thought, I cannot put my family in the way of this lunatic

1:12:51 militarized state in chaos. Fear of it happening to me. Genuine, literally fear. I don't like going to a country with the death penalty. I don't approve of it. And if you go to a place where the state kills its citizens, it could happen to you. I wouldn't fancy Saudi. I wouldn't fancy Iran. You know, now the state is killing its citizens and then saying, "Yeah, but he was carrying a gun." And you're going, "But I I thought that was legal." I literally literally genuinely now believe it's tipped the balance into being too dangerous to go cuz you'll probably get killed.

1:13:21 Can't come to America cuz it's too dangerous. By the way, uh a guy on Twitter named Ike Ilja points out that Giles Corin not too long ago apparently went on holiday with his family to Oman. In in Oman, homosexuality is illegal. marital rape and domestic abuse. Totally legal. Uh an estimated 33,000 people, mainly migrants, are trapped in legalized modern slavery, but he's totally fine going to Oman. He just can't come to the United States. And I guess he thinks some of us are going to shed a tear over this will.

1:14:00 Yeah. I mean, first off, like your vacation plans, were they to go to Minneapolis in the middle of winter? I've got a lot better locations you could go to. Uh it's really unpleasant. And it's remarkable that you have, you know, all this shows you how much the protesters really aren't just being paid, that they really deeply believe what they're doing because it's so cold that if they didn't deeply believe it, they wouldn't do it. Uh yeah, this guy's this guy's just got this, you know, bizarre cartoon version of the United States in his head. Complete lack of understanding of how American law works.

1:14:27 I I noticed this with Pierce Morgan, too. And and I don't think PICE is this this out there, but there's a the Brits have real trouble understanding the dynamics of police and citizen interactions in a world where people own guns. I think they really struggle with it. It's not something they're used to both American citizens not owning guns and police officers not carrying guns. So, it just they they're they're completely fish out of water when they talk about what's going on in the United States.

1:14:50 Yeah. Citizens don't can't carry and neither can their cops. Yeah. So, it's just sort of they're they just look at this and are horrified. They don't understand and you know well we we have a second

1:15:01 speak for every American when I say thank you stay where you are perfect everybody will be a lot happier um all right now let me talk to you because you are a very smart lawyer uh about two things number one what's your take on the home impressor this morning you know my take I don't know if you heard any of it but it was basically it doesn't really feel like a win it feels like a cave where we're thinking that we may have cut into their sanctuary policies a little, but we didn't hear the mayor of Minneapolis say that. We just heard Keith Ellison say it. And we're no longer going to be going after regular illegals, though. Tom Hman kind of said, "Well, if we if we see them, you know, we will, but like we're just focusing on focusing on the the actual criminals, the ones who commit committed additional crimes." To me, that seems like a small sliver from where we need to be. And then secondly, I'm going to ask you

1:15:49 about the church prosecutions. So, let's start uh on point one. So, Homeman uh I I don't actually think he's making any concessions here because I think that the actual policy what what Icewood has been doing is prioritizing criminal aliens first and then eventually they'll get around to the rest of Aliens. So, when he's saying that's what we're doing, it's just a continuation of what we're doing. So, he's I don't think they've made any concessions. I don't think they're doing anything any concessions substantively other than appearance. Like you said, you wanted Bevino to be out of the state. Okay, he's out of the state. Uh, and the the real I think the win here is the reason there has to be so much federal presence, so much of a federal presence in Minneapolis is because local authorities have been cooperating. So, they not only need to be doing the immigration operations, they need to be

1:16:33 having additional uh enforcement to protect those operations as they're ongoing. If Minneapolis is going to start policing the riers, they don't need as many people. So, I don't I think that, you know, that said, I don't think Minnesota's made much in the way of concessions either, but Minnesota's in a much different position. I mean, we're the federal government. We have under the Constitution, the federal government is supreme. Minnesota can't meaningfully resist us. The only thing they could do is refuse to cooperate. But as long as we have all the resources we need as a result of the one big beautiful bill, we will continue to do what we're doing.

1:17:04 And and uh I've seen a lot of maybe Homeman said explicitly, yes, we'll be drawing down the forces. My bet is that unless there is much more meaningful cooperation from Minnesota state and local authorities, I don't think you'll see anything much of anything change. And in fact, even if they do cooperate, I don't think you'll see the ICE operations themselves change in a meaningful way.

1:17:28 I hope you're right because I mean, we we have a lot to get out and this is teaspoons in the ocean if we limit it to just the ones who are in the jail who have committed additional crimes. Quickly before you go, today we have reason to believe uh that our DOJ may be in front of a grand jury in Minneapolis trying to get indictments for Don Lemon, his producer, and I think three others at least who terrorized those uh churchgoers two Sundays ago. Now it's a grand jury instead of a judge, a magistrate judge who's compromised and has a conflict of interest. How do you like their chances?

1:18:00 I think they'll do well. I think I mean the thing about federal grand juries is that they're taking from a larger pool of people than just the people in the city of Minneapolis and the criminal activity here is really pretty brazen pretty obvious. Uh so you know un if they can it really says something about the nature of the Minneapolis grand juries. DC has always been this weird outlier because you know it's votes 95% Democratic so getting grand jury indictments there against Democrats is almost impossible. But that I don't think that's Minnesota and I so I suspect that DOJ will succeed here.

1:18:30 We could close out the day today with an announcement that Don Lemon is under arrest with a perw walk. That'd be interesting. Uh Will Chamberlain, as are you always, thank you for being here.

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1:21:04 Joining me now is a consumer fraud attorney who spent the last four years working for Tish James in the New York State Attorney General's office. Glenna Goldis, in addition to being a lawyer, has been researching transgender medicine and discovering the disturbing and irreversible harms it causes children. As she learned more about this madness, she began writing about it on her Substack blog called Bad Facts and then she lost her job. She's here today to tell her story exclusively on camera to our audience. Glenno, welcome to the show.

1:21:40 Uh, thanks for having me, Megan. Okay. So, how long did you work uh in the AG's office?

1:21:47 Four years. And um you how did like the whole issue of the transgender and pediatric medicine in particular come onto your radar?

1:21:58 Well, for a while, if we're talking four years ago, I was just following it casually like a lot of people do, you know, uh catching news stories about it, reading more and more. my friends were starting to ask questions, friends who had kids, like we were having these whispered conversations of what is transgender and why why are kids being taught that they're that they have a gender identity? Uh so I just dug in more and as I got involved, I started reading I got to a point where I really wanted to understand the other side because I I knew all the problems with gender medicine and I said I need to understand the other side because I'm a lawyer. So what is the best case for it?

1:22:32 And I started trying to build it by reading what the gender doctors said themselves, what their lawyers said for them in court. And I was just shocked at how little was there. It was, you know, there was just a bunch of logical fallacies and broken links and statistics that didn't turn out to be true. Mhm. And I know that you're you're an out of the closet lesbian and this like I two of my friends who are in a lesbian marriage early on I said to them you need to look at this like you should care about what's happening here because they're converting they're doing conversion therapy on young lesbian girls and young gay boys or even just ones who aren't lesbian or gay but are just like gender non-conforming. They they're like not allowing especially butch lesbians to just grow up to be butch lesbians. It's like no, you're a boy. You have to be a boy. And they didn't really take me seriously because

1:23:31 they're they're of the left and they kind of rolled their eyes like, "Oh, this is just like the former Fox News host doing her thing." I'm like, "No, I'm telling you." But this is a thing. It is in fact a thing. It's a horrible thing. And that's what we found when you go into kind of the when you go deep and see how this started in America. And you know, the first gender clinic for kids was opened with fanfare in 2007. They were looking for kids who had played with opposite sex toys, you know, so-called opposite sex toys when when they were young and who kind of hung out with kids of the opposite sex. And this is highly correlated with being gay when you grow up. You know, a lot of us remember being those kids. And that's who was being that was the prototype for who should be transitioned. And of course, the doctors frame it as no, the kids are asking for it. The kids are saying they're very upset if they can't

1:24:16 have it. Well, yeah. I mean, some kids do wish they were the opposite sex and you tell them they can't be. That's what you do. You don't say, "Oh, well, we have some drugs that will save your life."

1:24:27 Exactly. Right. And yet that all of the the entire industry has been co-opted to say "Affirm affirm affirm affirm. You tell the kid if he thinks he's actually a girl, he is." And that you're you're the wrongdoer if you say anything other than that. that it's conversion therapy for you to tell a biological boy that he is a boy or a biological girl that she is a girl that that's conversion therapy. All right. So, you're in the consumer fraud department of the AG's office, but you're taking starting to take an interest in this and like seeing this is not great and I can't find the evidence to support the other side. And then I I understand you became concerned about a dransitioner.

1:25:04 You heard a d a lesbian dransitioner on a podcast and got concerned. Can you speak to that a bit?

1:25:11 Yeah, that was a turning point because I had previously seen gender medicine as being cosmetic. Like so, you know, a woman takes testosterone and then she grows a beard and you know, then the only problem with that is that it's not reversible the testosterone. So, if she changes her mind, she's still growing facial hair. That's how I viewed it because I'd seen it portrayed that way in the media. But when I was listening to uh this particular woman who I got to know, her name is Carol and she was talking about the physical harms that it caused her, she was saying, you know, this caused severe pain in in her vagina because it it becomes dried up. It's not healthy anymore. And I was like, yikes, that's and she had other side effects as well that were just, you know, gruesome.

1:25:50 And she was then mood issues and everything that was affecting her marriage. And so she was saying like, you know, I never turned into a man. I just developed a bunch of health problems. And so that's when I saw, oh, this is not cosmetic. This is harmful.

1:26:05 This is actually harmful. So you start your blog, but you do it under a pseudonym because you're working in the AG's office and you're like, I'm not exactly sure how this is going to play. And then, as I understand it, you did you started to see that the AG's office was actively against you on this issue under Tish James.

1:26:21 I did. I mean, from the beginning, I I knew they were generally in favor of the trans rights. Like, it's a big agency. They do a lot of things and at first I felt like okay I don't have to agree with my agency on everything. Uh but as I got more into it and as history went on like they got deeper in they started saying more things that I thought weren't accurate and I became more and more concerned because I was at this point I had friends who were dransitioners or who were parents whose kids had been pulled into this and so I was seeing the harm on the ground you know on the weekends and so it became you know a more tense issue.

1:26:54 Yes. But that phrase seeing the harm just like triggered my own process in this whole thing. Like when I did a talking points memo a couple years ago about how I I had decided to no longer use preferred pronouns. I began it by talking about how I used to be very supportive of trans people and transitioning and not bullying anybody. I still don't want them bullied, but you know that I my my whole theory was I didn't see the harm. What's the harm in using the pronouns? what's the harm in like talking to kids about their gender confusion and allowing that it could be something and and then you get to the point just because it's become ubiquitous where the harm is impossible not to see. It's everywhere and when you do see that harm, it's very hard at that point to stay silent. So, I feel for you now working for a group that's like pushing the agenda and and I one of the trigger points for you was in February

1:27:45 2025, they sent out a a press release at the age AG's office denouncing Trump's executive order opposing pediatric gender medicine and they referred to these interventions as quote lifesaving. So, what what did you do when you saw that? I wrote an email to the press office and the chief of the civil rights bureau because those seem like two places that should know this and were kind of behind it and responsible for the press release.

1:28:11 How evidence? Yeah, they just didn't respond. It was very do it. Oh, thank you. I I mean I you know I I've been a lawyer for 15 years now and I thought if somebody commented on a press release I put out that said and then they my colleague said there's something false in there. I I would jump you know I would say what do you mean? I'd look at what they sent me and I would check with my boss like oh do we need to retract this? You know like that's normally a big deal in government law offices in my experience.

1:28:41 But they didn't because it's agenda driven. Yeah that's the problem. Okay. Okay. So, then there was another incident where a co-orker of yours, this is just this past April, was slamming girls who don't want biological boys playing in girls sports. He was saying that they're anti-trans. And you did what? So, that happens during a staff meeting with maybe 20 people and and what he said was not on topic. you know, my bureau did not handle any issues like this, but he, you know, it came up and he had this little dig like, you know, this anti-trans laws and um referring to this one in Long Island actually that my agency's involved in. So, I, you know, I didn't say anything at the time because it was close to lunchtime and frankly, we were always hungry at those meetings.

1:29:28 I didn't want to distract. So, later on, I went to his office and he and I were friendly. Like, we'd gone out to lunch together. We usually talked at happy hours. So I went and I kind of gave him some statistics about boys who had been winning uh girls track meets. This was, you know, the springtime and so we've been seeing these boys headed toward state titles all across, you know, blue states. And and I told him, you know, this is an important issue. It's not just anti-trans to support these laws. It's pro girls because they're not able to win anymore in sports. It's important. And he immediately was, you know, he he was emotional and he, you know, at first he somehow thought that I was going to report him to our boss, which obviously I was not. And and so that was confusing, but then finally he was like, I have the position of the office, so I'm not going to get in trouble, basically. And I was like,

1:30:17 that's fine. I didn't want anyone to get in trouble. I I just thought we would kind of debate this cuz cuz we're friends and we're lawyers, but that is not how it went. and he, you know, he acted like I'd done something wrong by coming to speak with him and he said, "If you say one more word about this to me, I'm calling HR." And I, "Okay, sure." Um, and then I don't know whether Yeah, I can't say for sure whether he did, but timing wise, it was a few weeks later that I got an email from the general counsel's office

1:30:45 about your blog, which had been under a pseudonym, but suddenly they're like, "You know what? This is probably not consistent with office policy." Well, actually at that point it was under my real name. So I had switched like the previous October.

1:30:56 Yeah. So you could Google me and find it at that point. But they hadn't up until then.

1:31:02 Yeah. So now they don't want you to be able to say your position on an important issue um especially within the LGBT community outside of the office. And is that normal that you like can lawyers normally not say how they feel about any dicey issue you know on a blog or in an interview or you know in any public way?

1:31:22 Well there's two issues whether lawyers can say anything that's contradicts their firm and whether government employees can. And so the question turned on and yes lawyers can share their opinions generally. Uh and as a government lawyer as a government employee yeah generally we have first amendment rights and uh they can be a little bit restricted. There's a balancing test that the office has to go through. This is based on Supreme Court precedent, including a case called Pickering. Uh, but you know, I had looked at that case law and I thought that I was on the right side of it because if you're speaking on an issue of public concern, then that weighs heavily in your favor and it wasn't disrupting the daily activities of the office, which was the standard.

1:32:01 Okay. So you you decide you're going to go ahead, you're going to keep posting, but this would not be the end of your trouble within the AG's office because now I I think you've been marked as a troublemaker who does not support the trans agenda of the Leticia James AG's office. Because you tell me, Glenn, but it seems like from that point to the point where you lost your job, they stayed on you creating additional roadblocks, pushing you for more information. They were kind of bullying you from my vantage point.

1:32:32 Well, there were certain moments when they did, but they would also disappear for a while. So, and this is where it comes in that this is just a giant bureaucracy, right? So, actually at that point, if we're still in the spring, they took a long time to get back to me about the blog. So, they weren't saying you can't do it, but they were like kind of trying to make me nervous and and I was posting anyway. Uh but yeah, I did run into them because they had told me I had to file these requests every time I wanted to speak outside of work. You know, we had this this very broad policy about a speech outside the office, which again, I suspected was unconstitutional.

1:33:05 But finally, I said, "Okay." Yeah. I said, "Okay, I like filing these requests to speak because it's my opportunity to tell you guys what I'm doing and and stand up for it and remind you that this is an important issue you should be looking at from both sides." So I did that and in in June I followed their direction. I follow um I was invited to speak at the Federal Trade Commission. They were holding an event in July about this very subject of pediatric gender medicine and whether it might be harming kids, whether it could be a fraud. So they invited me to speak.

1:33:36 I was very excited about that and I filed a request with the office to do so. And what happened?

1:33:45 Well, it was denied. So it got as far as, you know, there's a long chain of command. So, it only went up to as far as my bosses in my bureau and they said no because it um because the FTC's work is similar to the work I did for the AG. And I said, "Well, I'd really like to go." So, you know, is there a way I can appeal this decision? And at this point, I don't blame them for not having like a legal citation because it wasn't their job to know the First Amendment, but I said, "I'd like to talk to somebody whose job it is to know my First Amendment rights and to make sure the agency is respecting them. So, like, who can I talk to?" And you know, there was some back and forth, but it came down to like, well, nobody like you can't appeal. And I said, well, what usually happens when somebody objects to being censored and my bosses who had decades of experience in the office between them, going back to the 80s, they said,

1:34:31 "Well, this has never happened before." And I don't know how long the policyy's been in place, but it was that was quite an impass. Okay. Well, I I mean, I've looked at the law and I think I'm good. And I it was just impossible to break through. And at some point that this was an inerson meeting which I had asked for it at this point. And I said and they had mentioned by the way that higherups had examined this issue. They knew about my request. So people close to the attorney general. And I said well hey I'm a consumer frauds attorney in this office and I am saying that pediatric gender medicine might be a consumer fraud. Does anyone care?

1:35:08 And yep. It seems like they were and again I like I'm sorry for my bosses that they're in this weird position now but they had it was just awkward like I don't think that anybody had

1:35:23 they didn't care. I mean honestly like what my you tell me because you're on the inside but my impression has been virtually every authority is either actively part of the lie or is remaining silent about it and being complicit about the lie because they don't want their I don't know good person card taken away which you know the left says requires you to affirm that this is all real.

1:35:46 Yeah. It's not just a good person card. You get defunded if you're a nonprofit. You get cancelled. All that sort of thing. So yeah.

1:35:53 Mhm. So it's not just Tish James enforcing this within the office. It's her emissaries. It's the next layer down management. Like this is the way we feel about it and you're not going to be allowed to say if you don't if you disagree. You can't speak up even if it's literally your job to stop a massive fraud and you think you've stumbled upon one. The answer is no. You're not allowed to say that. Well, you could say it inside the office and be ignored and possibly yelled at by a colleague, but you could not say it outside of the office because they said that was inconsistent with her legal position.

1:36:23 Wow. So, she's not going to listen to you internally. She's not going to accept a debate. She's actually not even going to hear you out. She's just made up her mind and um that's going to be the position of the office. So, how did it ultimately culminate in you losing your job? So, there was some back and forth about the FTC and I did go speak at the FTC in July and then we had meetings about it where we talked around in circles and did not get to address the merits of the issue of pediatric gender medicine. Uh there were some letters and memos and then it was quiet for several months. I didn't hear for them. I I kept uh posting. I kept uh talking to journalists and then suddenly in January, just earlier this month, I suddenly got an email from the ethics council. So, this is a kind of new figure here.

1:37:08 And he said that he'd heard that I was planning to speak on an exspace later that night. It's just a couple hours away because, you know, we've done little promotional tweets about it. So, we were going to talk about the upcoming case BPJ, which was about girls sports that was argued before the Supreme Court. This was a preview I was doing hosted by the Democrats for an informed approach for to gender, DIAG. And uh the ethics council said, "You can't do that. You don't have permission. That's unapproved. You can get in trouble if you speak on that X space.

1:37:36 Yeah. So, so I spoke on the X base. You did it. Yeah. So, you did it and then they fired you. They gave us a statement saying in part, "This employees flagrant and repeated disregard of our rules and protocols disres disrupts and undermines our efforts to protect the rights of all New Yorkers." Do you think you did that?

1:37:56 I I think I did disregard their policy. Um, I don't think I undermined any New Yorkers rights except for the gender doctors who operate here. And what do people need to know? I mean, truly, what do what do people at home need to know about how these policies are hurting New Yorkers?

1:38:14 Well, they need to know that girls are not boys, boys are not girls, and we should not pretend otherwise. So, that's number one. They need to understand that this so-called medicine has serious physical side effects which are not being conveyed to the public or to the parents of the kids who take the drugs in a lot of cases in terms of what we're hearing. So, we need that's what people need to know first of all in terms of, you know, if you're a parent whose kid is going through this, then you need to know that you're not getting the whole story from the the left media and you might not be getting the whole story from the doctors either. Why won't Leticia James stand up for that?

1:38:50 Well, she is a Democrat and we can observe, you know, the Democratic party has been a monolith here. They have been, you know, every time somebody even inches towards saying that girl sports should be for girls, for example, they get in trouble. They, you know, there's a huge flare up when one when the Congress members from Massachusetts said that

1:39:08 and Tis James is not a rebel. Yes. Seth Molton. So Tis James is somebody we've seen. She she rides with her crew, you know, like she's it doesn't seem like she's

1:39:18 I'd love to be proven wrong about that. I don't because I'm not inside her head. I don't know exactly why, but she's just acting the way all the Democrats are acting right now.

1:39:26 Mhm. Which is irrespective of the truth. Are are you a Democrat? Uh, so I think I'm still technically registered as a Democrat because I live in New York City and you want to vote in the primaries, but I don't I don't consider myself a Democrat. No.

1:39:40 What was it? This issue that drove you out or something else? Oh, uh, this was a big driver for me. So, I'm I'm like a huge nerd. So, I was very deep in the weeds of what I do in my job, for example, related to uh consumer frauds, financial issues, and I think I was starting to notice, you know, for example, during COVID, there were obviously a lot of issues with the way the Democrats uh President Biden handled that. Uh DEI, you know, I I'm not for DEI. I realized that DEI is always accompanied by dishonesty and it's unfair and unconstitutional. So, you know, I I was coming to a place where I was definitely a heterodox and I I would never say I was like a full-on I was always a heterodox person who who lived among the left and I liked the work that I did in the left but I'm not you know

1:40:27 Glenna come on in. The water's fine. I can see you coming over. We we have a big tent over here and we want you.

1:40:34 I know I know you I know you have a big tent cuz I've been hanging out with you guys the last couple years and it's a lot of fun. And I mean, we have great conversations and debates and it's very open. So, you know, I'm not not calling myself a Republican or conservative, whatever. I'm just saying like, you know,

1:40:50 you just register independent. That's what I that's what I am. You can register independent. You don't have to have a team jersey and you'll still be beloved. Even as a former Democrat, the the right is very welcoming and also does truly believe in capital T, capital S, the science. It's wonderful to meet you. Thank you for taking a stand for girls and children. Really appreciate it. We need thousands more, millions more just like you, Glenna.

1:41:15 Thank you so much, Megan. Thanks for having me on. All the best. Wow. Glenna Goldis, everyone. We are back tomorrow with a whole lot more. We'll see you then.

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