Breaking Down "Judicial Coups" Trump is Facing Over His Deportation Policies, with Jonathan Turley

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on the legal complexities surrounding immigration enforcement in Minneapolis, focusing on the city's sanctuary policies and the recent developments involving cooperation between local jails and ICE. Key points include the skepticism about proposed changes to these policies, responses from city officials, and the implications of local resistance to federal immigration law enforcement.

Key takeaways

• Minneapolis' sanctuary city status faces a reality check: local officials aren't legally bound to enforce federal immigration law.
• Tom Homan’s optimism clashes with public sentiment; Minneapolis residents actively protest ICE, rejecting a potential shift in policy.
• A peek behind the curtain: agreement for ICE cooperation is less commitment, as sheriffs ‘can’ notify, but won’t enforce.
• Trump's ultimatum: local riots? Your problem. Federal protection? Only if you ask nicely—creating a unique federal-local tension.
• Keith Ellison's Antifa ties draw scrutiny; even judiciary dismissals can't quell concerns over political motivations in law enforcement.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 8 min speaking
• Jonathan Turley (Guest) · 6 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Tom Holman, Mandy & Ralph Ellison
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Mandy & Ralph Ellison, Antifa handbook
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Fred Biery, Liam Ramos
4. 9:00 – 12:00: Liam Ramos
5. 12:00 – 14:07: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "Breaking Down "Judicial Coups" Trump is Facing Over His Deportation Policies, with Jonathan Turley"

• Including what's happening in Minneapolis. Now, we've been covering on this show since Tom Hman went out to Minneapolis and said, I spoke with the attorney general, Keith…

  about Tom Holman · at 0:03

• No, he does. And he also has the authority. notably, you had Keith Ellison, who, by the way, before he became attorney general, was waving around a copy of the Antifa handbook and praising them, for putting the fear of God into Trump and.

  about Mandy & Ralph Ellison · at 4:59

• Released from the federal facility. And here, listen to this insanity, Jonathan, in this ruling. It's a Clinton appointed US District Judge, Fred Beri, B I E R Y, on Saturday…

  about Fred Biery · at 8:03

• That gold has risen over 700% in the last 20 years. And a never- ending list of reasons smart Americans diversify a portion of their savings into precious metals with Birch…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 13:04

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Tom Holman — Person · Referenced federal immigration enforcement figure · 3 mentions · first at 0:06
  Central referenced actor claiming progress on Minnesota cooperation with ICE detainers/notifications; his statements are scrutinized and partially walked back in the cited TV exchange.
• Mandy & Ralph Ellison — Person · Referenced public official · 2 mentions · first at 0:08
  Discussed as Minnesota’s Attorney General in connection with whether local sheriffs/cities can cooperate with ICE detainers and related litigation against federal immigration enforcement.
• Fred Biery — Person · Referenced judge (legal decision-maker) · 1 mention · first at 8:07
  Identified as the U.S. District Judge who ordered release of a father and child (Liam Ramos) and authored a sharply worded opinion criticized in the discussion.
• Liam Ramos — Person · Referenced minor at center of immigration custody dispute · 2 mentions · first at 8:15
  Named as the 5-year-old child involved in the Texas detention/release order; used as an example in the broader debate about immigration enforcement and judicial intervention.
  US District Judge, Fred Beri, B I E R Y, on Saturday directing the government officials to release them both, father and son. The son is Liam Ramos. This opinion is wild. Three…

Concepts & topics

• Antifa handbook — Concept · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 5:08
  Mentioned in the context of Keith Ellison's past actions and political stance, illustrating his support for Antifa.
  No, he does. And he also has the authority. notably, you had Keith Ellison, who, by the way, before he became attorney general, was waving around a copy of the Antifa handbook and praising them, for putting the fear of God into Trump and.

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• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 13:13
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 I want to talk to you about a couple of legal stories that are in the news, including what's happening in Minneapolis. Now, we've been covering on this show since Tom Hman went out to Minneapolis and said, "I spoke with the attorney general, Keith Ellison, and uh he's cleared the way for us to start cooperating with the jails before they release illegal immigrants out into the community, illegals who have been arrested for something, who are sitting in the county jail. They're going to start cooperating with ICE again.

0:29 They're gonna they're going to let us know, you know, Joe Schmo is getting out this Friday so that we don't have to go track him down in his neighborhood and cause a big ruckus. We'll just get him at the jails like we do in other cities that are not sanctuaries. And I said to the audience as soon as Tom Holman said that. No, I don't buy it because this is a sanctuary city policy that the AG Well, I mean, first he cited the governor. The governor doesn't have control over because it's a city and county thing. and I said, "I want to hear from Mayor Fry and I want to hear from the sheriff of Henipin County, which is Minneapolis."

1:05 Well, wouldn't you know, um, now the New York Times, The Daily, has finally stumbled onto this problem. They did their whole show about something we covered on our show at length last week, acknowledging the same problem. And Tom Hman went on with Hannity on Friday night and buried in the long exchange was an admission that this is not a done deal. The sheriff has not said yes to this. He's only quote working toward it, which respect to Tom Hman is meaningless right now. Nothing has changed. Here was that exchange.

1:41 You met with Walls. You met with Fry. You met with Ellison. And Fry after you met with him said, "I also made it clear Minneapolis does not and will not enforce federal immigration law." Okay. Uh what does that mean? How do you interpret that? And is he violating the law by not assisting or not turning over illegal uh criminals that are in their justice system?

2:07 Well, here's what we have, Sean. Meeting with the governor and AG and Mayor Fry. Here's what we came out with. the the the state prison system will honor our retainers. So, we will continue to to take those people in in the custody of a safety in the safety and security of facility and not have to go on the street and look for them. Uh the AG said that sheriffs can uh honor our detainers and I'm meeting with sheriffs across the state to give us prior notification. Excuse me. He didn't say they would honor our detainers. said they can notify us before they release them and so give us time to get there and take them into custody and safety and security facility and we're working on that. So if we get that cooperation which we're working on, we got some commitments here that means we can draw down on the number of agents there because we're in the jails.

2:57 Okay, I love Tom Hman, but that's very optimistic for a city that has voted for sanctuary city status. the the vast majority of Min Minneapolis residents are on the streets right now from the look of it protesting ICE and not in a mood to lift the sanctuary city policies, professor. And so you tell me there is no obligation, is there for the locals, unfortunately to help the federal government on immigration enforcement?

3:25 No. The Supreme Court has handed down a series of of cases that are called anti-comandeering cases. in those cases say that state and local officials cannot be required to carry out federal law. So, it is up to them. You're certainly right that the political environment does not bode well in cities like Minneapolis and Portland. Uh so, we're going to continue to have this tension uh over the enforcement of immigration laws. And you have President Trump issuing a truth social the other night because we saw uprisings in Los Angeles, in Oregon, again in Minneapolis and in uh I think it was it LA or Oregon where they they went into the federal building. Um he said, "We're not it was in Oregon." He he said, "We're we are we are expecting and demanding the locals to protect those buildings, but if you don't, we will protect our federal agents and our federal buildings. But we are not going to protect your cities from riots." That

4:29 is a you thing. That's a local thing. If you ask us, if you say please, we will send the feds in and we will provide protection as we've done elsewhere. But we don't actually have to do that. So, he seems to be kind of getting to the end of his rope here with this local obstruction, saying, "If you're going to have riots, that's your problem. Like, you want to burn your own city down, go ahead and burn it. We're not going to let you burn anything that's federal related. And by the way, we expect you to help us in that effort." So, does he have like the responsibilities? Correct.

4:59 No, he does. And he also has the authority. You know, notably, uh, you had Keith Ellison, who, by the way, before he became attorney general, was waving around a copy of the Antifa handbook and praising them, uh, for putting the fear of God into Trump and his allies. That's the attorney general of Minnesota. And he and Walt and others filed this frivolous lawsuit to try to prevent uh, the enforcement of not just immigration laws, but the increase of personnel to investigate fraud. And the the result as as many of us predicted was that even a Biden appointee judge dismissed it and said I I can't do that.

5:40 That would be unconstitutional. But more importantly, you haven't stated a single ground upon which to show that this is unlawful that I could enjoin uh this effort. So that's just the latest victory by the administration. Their authority here is clear. It doesn't mean that they can't violate that authority. You know, they're investigating the PR shooting. There's legitimate questions there. And so, they're going to investigate it like other shootings and make a determination if this was unlawful. But in terms of the authority, uh, they clearly have that authority.

6:15 Yes. And what we're seeing now though is bit by bit what I think looks like judicial coups against the administration on its immigration policy. Like this past weekend when we had a judge down in Texas where the little boy was brought, the 5-year-old boy who the left made so much news about last week. He was taken into federal custody with his dad two weeks ago. His dad uh DHS says is an illegal immigrant. His lawyer claims he's an asylum seeker. DHS says that's not true. He's an illegal immigrant. and um DHS went or ICE Customs Border Patrol, I can't remember which agency it was, but they went to arrest him and he ran leaving his 5-year-old boy sitting alone in the car. They tried then to get the mother who was inside the house to take the boy. She refused. So, he was without a custodial parent at the moment. Finally, they caught the dad. They brought the dad back to the car. They said, "You're

7:10 getting deported. You're we're shipping you down to Texas in a holding facility and then you're going." He already had an an order of removal. And um they said, "What do you want us to do with your son? Would you like your wife to take him inside or you can take him? It's it's up to you. If you we we don't have the power to separate you from your child. If you want to take him home to you as you're being deported, I think back to Guatemala, you can." And he said, "That's what I want. I want to take my boy with me." So they shipped him down to Texas to the holding facility. And from there, he will be shipped back home or would have been had it not been for the intervention of a federal judge down there who got involved and said, "Oh, no, no, no, no.

7:48 We're not doing that. We are actually releasing this little boy and his father and put them on a plane, at least according to NPR, back to Minnesota where reportedly they are now." He released them, definitely did order them released from the federal facility. And here, listen to this insanity, Jonathan, in this ruling. It's a Clinton appointed US District Judge, Fred Beri, B I E R Y, on Saturday directing the government officials to release them both, father and son. The son is Liam Ramos. This opinion is wild. Three pages. He calls Trump's mass deportation policy illconceived and incompetently implemented. He accuses the Trump administration of being ignorant of the anti-king sentiment of the Declaration of Independence and the Fourth Amendment. He uh says immigration administrative warrants uh do not pass probable cause muster. He then says the following. Observing human behavior confirms that for some among us the

8:46 perfidious lust that means dishonest perfidious lust for unbridled power and the imposition of cruelty in its quest know no bounds and are bereft of human decency and the rule of law be damned. I'm almost done. He says the US needs a more orderly and humane policy for deportation, which is a totally inappropriate judgment for a justice or a judge sitting in a robe. That's a congressional determination. And he ends it by quoting Benjamin Franklin, our friend, saying, "The Republican is only being saved by a judicial finger in the constitutional dyke." He signs the opinion on a day that does not exist, the 31st of February. And then he includes the viral picture picture of little Liam in his dog Snow Hat as well as citations to two Bible verses.

9:36 Professor Turley, you tell me what's happening with this opinion here. No, we have seen that before, Megan. And in my view, it is inappropriate and uh it's chilling for judges to step down from the bench and try to engage in this political debate. If he has grounds for his action, he should state them. uh allow the rest of the debate to occur among citizens and the government. I you know in this case uh you had what I wrote about earlier as the bait boy hoax uh that the boy was being used as bait to arrest the mother. Many of the same people who piled on with the false uh migrant whipping story a few years ago were the very same people that piled on this one, including Harris uh and other Democratic leaders. And it was this like that was false. And so you know what the the problem here is that those are just politicians and pundits. This is a judge and he has to convey some degree of neutrality

10:39 to to the American people. And obviously this this hyperbole uh doesn't do that. But many of these discord judges have been reversed by court of appeals and eventually they're going to get the message.

10:55 Yeah, I hope you're right. I mean, there was another judge in better news I was encouraged by this who I think was also a Clinton appointee, although I don't think she had any no was a Biden appointee. She had any choice. US District Judge Katherine Mendez um who the angry left in Minnesota, Jacob Fryen Co, filed a lawsuit uh in front of her. They sued the Trump administration to block the deployment of increased federal resources for the purposes of immigration enforcement, saying it infringed on the state's 10th amendment police powers, was a violation of equal sovereignty under the Constitution and other bases, asking for a preliminary and permanent injunction, and she said no with ease. This is a Biden appointee who said, "You don't have it. This has not crossed a constitutional line. This is clearly within the purview of the feds and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop them because whether I like it or I

11:47 don't like it is kind of irrelevant. They have the power to do it. Yeah. Notably, Mendez is viewed as a fairly hostile judge to the Trump administration. She was just reversed uh for one of her earlier decisions against the Trump administration. And yet she told the governor and attorney general and the mayor that you cannot enjoin the federal enforcement of the law. And um and yet Fry says, "I'm we're going to appeal this like a bad gambler at Vegas. He's going to double down on this bad case. There is no way that this will ever succeed. He's just going to create more precedent against them."

12:30 Exactly. because the feds are entirely within their purview to enforce federal immigration law. And while, as we discussed when we kicked this off, they cannot force the states to help them, they can do what they need to do in order to secure the border. And the states do have an obligation not to actively try to thwart the law being enforced by the feds. U but they we cannot mandate that they help. And they certainly cannot mandate that the feds stop. International disputes, inflation, rising national debt, digital currency.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Breaking Down "Judicial Coups" Trump is Facing Over His Deportation Policies, with Jonathan Turley"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Jonathan Turley (Guest).

What is "Breaking Down "Judicial Coups" Trump is Facing Over His Deportation Policies, with Jonathan Turley" about?

The discussion centers on the legal complexities surrounding immigration enforcement in Minneapolis, focusing on the city's sanctuary policies and the recent developments involving cooperation between local jails and ICE. Key points include the skepticism about proposed changes to these policies, responses from city officials, and the implications of local resistance to federal immigration law…

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

6 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Tom Holman, Mandy & Ralph Ellison, Fred Biery, Liam Ramos, Antifa handbook. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Breaking Down "Judicial Coups" Trump is Facing Over His Deportation Policies, with Jonathan Turley"?

The episode runs 14 min; the transcript is about 2,491 words in 21 timestamped sections.

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