Clues About "Cheap" Backpack and Holster That Help Track Down Mystery Person at Nancy Guthrie House

What this episode is about

The analysis focuses on identifying the abductor’s inexpensive gear, noting a distinctive horizontal-striped jacket and an inexpensive Ozark Trail backpack sold at Walmart (around $11), with investigators considering this budget option as consistent with a non-professional operation. It also highlights the volume of online tips and the ongoing verification by law enforcement.

Key takeaways

• Cheap gear, cheap clues: a Walmart $11 backpack and basic holster suggest a non-professional, not a high-budget operation.
• Armchair sleuths outpace investigators in volume of leads; reality check: thousands of tips must be triaged and verified.
• Evidence jigsaw: CCTV and purchase records could converge, but credit-card trails vs. cash still distinguishes amateur from pro.
• Holster quality signals training gaps: a visible, unreliable nylon rig hints at limited firearms experience and preparation.
• Lifespan of identity: tying clothing, gear, and locations across days requires cross-agency collaboration and time—no instant fixes.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 6 min speaking
• James (Guest) · 4 min speaking
• Will (Guest) · 3 min speaking
• Fitz (Guest) · 1 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Ozark Trail, Wal-Mart, Uncle Mike's, Mario (Sherry Coleman's brother)
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Wal-Mart, Uncle Mike's, Brian Thompson
3. 12:00 – 14:13: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "Clues About "Cheap" Backpack and Holster That Help Track Down Mystery Person at Nancy Guthrie House"

• Received the alleged ransom note she reported that indeed A law enforcement source close to the case says they are familiar with this brand of Ozark Trailhiker and they are looking into it.

  about Ozark Trail · at 0:45

• $11 backpack from Walmart would be completely in line with the Uncle Mike's crap holster this person was wearing.

  about Uncle Mike's · at 2:01

• Looked it up and it was like the Luigi backpack that he used when he killed allegedly the CEO of United Healthcare, Brian Thompson. It was like $300. It was high-end. He came…

  about Brian Thompson · at 5:39

• The US economy. See if holding gold in a tax sheltered retirement account is right for you. Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. Just…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 13:27

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Mario (Sherry Coleman's brother) — Person · Referenced local reporter · 1 mention · first at 0:40
  Cited as reporting that law enforcement is familiar with the Ozark Trail hiker backpack brand and is investigating it.
  Backpack may be an Ozark Trail hiker backpack that it is apparently oh and then by the way the local reporter Kald's Mary Coleman she's been reporting and that's one of the…
• Brian Thompson — Person · Referenced victim in comparison case · 1 mention · first at 5:44
  Mentioned as the UnitedHealthcare CEO allegedly killed in a separate case used to contrast 'high-end' vs 'low-end' suspect gear.

Companies & orgs

• Wal-Mart — Company · Business focus · 5 mentions · first at 1:02
  Mentioned as a retailer where the Ozark Trail backpack is sold
  It's cheap. They sell it at Walmart, including the Walmart in Tucson, the Tucson Walmart superstore where you can get it right now for $10.88.

Products & tech

• Ozark Trail — Product · Case study · 3 mentions · first at 0:31
  Mentioned as a potential brand of backpack used by the abductor
• Uncle Mike's — Product · Case study · 2 mentions · first at 2:03
  Mentioned as a brand of holster potentially used by the abductor

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 13:17
  Advertiser mentioned in the podcast, promoting gold investment services

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 the evidence analysis that's going on right now of the abductor's outfit. We've had so many smart armchair sleuths online on X doing their own searches for what is that backpack because it's pretty distinctive. What is that jacket he's wearing? because that's that too is kind of distinctive with this horizontal stripe thin stripe right across the middle and it may be fleece and it seems like people have figured out that that backpack may be an Ozark Trail hiker backpack that it is um apparently oh and then by the way the the local reporter Kald's Mary Coleman she's been reporting and that's one of the organizations that received the uh alleged ransom note she reported that indeed A law enforcement source close to the case says they are familiar with this brand of Ozark Trailhiker and they are looking into it.

0:55 They're looking into other brands as well, but they've got their eyes on this one. And this was one that the online salutes came up with almost immediately. It's cheap. They sell it at Walmart, including the Walmart in Tucson, the Tucson Walmart superstore where you can get it right now for $10.88. Um, so it's cheap. It's 11 bucks. It's a and that dovetales pretty well with I think every one of your conclusion which was this was not some super trained hitman highbudget operation. The $11 backpack thing probably jives for you. I don't want to put words in your mouth but I'll start with you James on it. Thoughts?

1:34 Great. It's um you know technology is wonderful. I I just feel for these agents, these officers who are getting I read last count like 4,000 leads and you know in 24 hours um because these as you call them sleuths are doing all this great work and um you know it's awesome but it's also you know that stuff's got to be worked and it takes a while and there there's not like an infinite stream of agents. So it's wonderful and I think it's great. I agree with you. $11 backpack from Walmart would would be completely in line with the Uncle Mike's crap holster this person was wearing.

2:07 So, that's that all checks out. Um, but again, these leads have to get run down and and you know, Fitz was talking earlier about 24/7 shifts. Yeah, they're not sleeping. I remember working these, you know, very very few kidnappings I worked, but you didn't go home. It was like all hands on deck till you found this victim. Um, and it's

2:25 But how do you do it, James? Like, do you do you go into the Walmart and you say you carry these backpacks? Yeah, we do.

2:32 Yeah, that's exactly what happens. But then what? You ask for, you know, purchases, you ask for purchase orders, you get a subpoena, you ask for how many of these backpacks were sold.

2:44 They have all that. Like a place like Walmart would have that all that recorded.

2:47 Yes. And then you start looking. Hopefully they, you know, as we're going down the the road of him not being a a pro would buy it in cash. A pro would buy it with cash. A pro would go to different stores, not buy all the material at the same store, but you know, an amateur probably use a credit card. And, you know, that would be a huge break for for us if we could get a credit card and then it's it's on.

3:10 Okay. Then we did take a look just to see if at that same Tucson Walmart they were selling face masks and we determined that they they are not available at that Tucson Walmart. You'd have to get that online. So, for whatever it's worth, and I don't know whether that was still the case three months ago or whenever, but I mean it would be Do you think it would be relatively recent, Will, that they'd be that that they'd be asking Walmart to search? Because like if this guy bought this stuff 5 years ago, Walmart's not going to have that.

3:39 Yes. No, I mean, it really does depend on whether he'd had it already in his possession. It was something that he'd been using. But again, that's where it's going to be, you know, on a day-to-day basis. But that's where it's going to be kind of interesting certainly when they start joining up CCTV from neighborhoods from various other areas and to see some sort of lifespan of this individual. Now they've hopefully got some sort of clear identification uh certainly on what he was wearing that they can try and join all these pieces together. You know, as James was saying, it's it's a jigsaw puzzle. and and I would concur that I think this is much more of a a nonprofessional uh in terms of the individual that's behind it. Um buying gray kit, i.e.

4:21 buying sort of very lowcost items is not unknown for professionals. Professionals will do that to try and evade detection or or discovery. However, the one area which James rose which I think is really important was the Uncle Mike holster. Uh now if it was a professional I think uh they would find it incredibly difficult to go into an operation with a a sort of nylon holster as basic as that.

4:48 Explain explain to the those of us who don't know about the holsters why that's so basic and low end.

4:54 Well the firstly was the positioning of the weapon. Uh Megan you know this weapon was overt. It was it was not concealed. And more often than not, you know, anybody who's used to carrying a firearm will be used to concealed carry or certainly have sufficiently good quality holsters because you only have to use anybody who uses a firearm will know if you have a cheap holster uh that's going to wear out or it's going to let you down in some shape or form. So again, having that cheap holster indicates that this individual may not necessarily be well practiced or well-versed and have had a lifespan of using firearms. uh because more often than not, as much as you invest in the weapon, you're also investing in the ancillary and auxiliary equipment that you use with it.

5:34 Okay. So that so pretty much everything about him looks cheap. I mean, we we looked it up and it was like the Luigi backpack that he used when he killed allegedly uh the CEO of uh United Healthcare, Brian Thompson. It was like $300. It was high-end. He came from a rich family. And we're seeing so far what we believe is the opposite of that with clothing that didn't look expensive, a backpack that you can get for 11 bucks. The ski mask, for what it's worth, retails right now, um, if you order it today, you can get it between February 20th and February 27th for $312.

6:09 So, that's another, you know, low-end item that he appears to have used. And if this is the guy, I want to ask you guys for your thoughts on the new videotape that may or may not be related. But before you got here, we talked about um how like even though there are some apparent differences between the alley guy who's got two backpacks, we've been calling him Pac-Man, and the actual abductor, like the actual abductor to us looks a little thicker than Pac-Man, a little like fatter or just stockier in the legs and in the rear end uh in particular. But who knows? cuz abductor man could have had a few more layers on. We don't know.

6:46 But we are told that this video of Pac-Man took place in the wee hours of the morning. We believe post the abduction of Nancy um Guthrie and that um it happened 5 miles south of Nancy Guthri's home. By the way, at least the guy who posted it on X, Nerdy Addict, described this as it was submitted to him as a tip. And the person did also submit it to the FBI. And this person is shown trying, this is the description that he got, to unlock a side gate. To unlock a side gate. I guess I shouldn't say that it it happened after Nancy.

7:20 They say it has no time stamp. We just know, quote, early morning hours of February 1st, which is when she was stolen. So, uh, your thoughts, you guys, on the odds of this being like another criminal potentially in the area with the backpacks in a similar outfit. And we thought we saw a possible weapon in his right hand jacket, his zippered uh pocket. Moren was suggesting she thought she saw that. Anyway, not not confirmed, but a speculative possibility.

7:54 I thought I saw a time stamp. Um maybe you should play that video again, but I thought I saw a time stamp in the bottom right and it was saying 1:53 a.m. on February the 1st.

8:03 Okay, we'll have to go back and look at that. If that's well, if that's true, how can he possibly be in this in two places at one time?

8:09 It's hard to do. Very important. Well, but it also assumes that the camera was set on the right time.

8:13 Correct. And that's a excellent point. And you know, I've seen so many not set on the exact right time zone. They didn't factor in leap year. Um it could have been off and and that can easily explain it. It it's quite uh that's a quite a good lead that someone needs to find out who that person is and he's definitely worth a really strong investigative interview. Um, I I think Fitz wanted to comment, but I I was laughing when Will was talking about the Uncle Mike thing. I just want to go back to the the holster.

8:43 So, we call it that because that's a very cheap holster that you would usually see like a hunter purchase for a big revolver. And that what that uh that one right there, yeah, that's for a big revolver like a 6 in 8 in barrel. And what's happened here is they've stuck a semi-auto smaller uh pistol into this thing. And it's such so haphazard. It reminds me very much of like where I live where a lot of people carry what we call open carry. And it's like a cowboy. Like it's it's insane. And it looks like that. The the pistol doesn't match the holster. It's like total amateur hour.

9:17 And you just kind of well most of us we just kind of laugh about it and then I leave get away from them because they're dangerous. Um but yeah, that's why I was laughing at that. Just FYI, James, my my team is confirming yes, it says 153 Mountain Standard Time on February 1st, 2026. That's the time stamp on there. And again, now I do not I don't trust any of these times at this point, but the sheriff said at 1:47 a.m. the Nest cameras were disconnected at NY's and at 2:12 a.m. they alerted image detected. And he said, you know, could have been a man, could have been an animal. 212.

9:55 Now, TMZ is reporting that it was 2:12 a.m. that the abductor tried to get in as we saw or tried to cover up the Nest Cam and did all the stuff the guy with a with a face mask. That's that's 2:12 a.m. I haven't confirmed that independently, but that's what TMZ is reporting that that was at 212. This is 153 Mountain Standard Time. So, I don't know. Like could you if you take the 147 ring camera disconnected out of it which I will say for the record my team some of whom have Nest cameras have told me whatever rings or Nest that sometimes they go offline and you get that sometimes the the camera will say offline because whatever you have an internet hit etc. In any event, 153 to 212. What's that? 712 17 minutes. Um I I don't want to do the math. It's 7 + 12, which is

10:50 19 minutes. 19. Thank you. Um, Megan, can I tell you on the task force on the task force wall, there's a big uh white whiteboard, probably digital, and they have the times exactly lined up what they are, and they've gone back to the ring company or or Nest, whatever they know. So, we can speculate a lot, and this is this is healthy to do for us to try to piece these uh these items together, but uh I'm I'm I'm assuming that the the investigators themselves know exactly what this is. And let's let me go back a couple uh uh minutes here.

11:22 Uh in the Unibomb case, uh agents went out to every single junkyard in the country. Now, think about that. Trying to find the components of the devices, the IEDs, improvised explosive devices, the bombs the uni bomber was sending through the mail. And and some of these certainly in rural areas, some guy just has his backyard and that's a junkyard. But agents wound up tracking down every single uh because a lot of people don't know that. But before he was called Uniomb or Uni Bomber, he was called the junkyard bomber because all the devices were handmade or picked up from loose loose structures. Then when the manifesto came in and and the letters uh or or the bombs were addressed to people, it didn't it took them not too long to figure out all that information is coming from the who's who book in libraries. This is pre- internet.

12:11 Remember as a kid the biggest book in the library was always who. You couldn't check it out. It was just a reference menu.

12:18 FBI agents went to every single library in the country uh trying to get information. Hey, who's coming in? Who's looking at these? Who's paging through them? Looking, you know, here's the composits look anything like this. And interesting, a lot of the university uh uh university libraries would not help at first, but once a professor got bombed at uh and and seriously injured Yale University and other universities, they said, "Oh, FBI, come on back. We think we can help you." Now, that's just a side story there, but it just shows you that the and that's pre- internet and that just shows you they'll go in person and do this. And there are agents all over the country now fanning out looking at these different places where these are sold in an attempt to determine the the providence of the mask backpack everything we're talking about.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Clues About "Cheap" Backpack and Holster That Help Track Down Mystery Person at Nancy Guthrie House"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), James (Guest), Will (Guest), Fitz (Guest).

What is "Clues About "Cheap" Backpack and Holster That Help Track Down Mystery Person at Nancy Guthrie House" about?

The analysis focuses on identifying the abductor’s inexpensive gear, noting a distinctive horizontal-striped jacket and an inexpensive Ozark Trail backpack sold at Walmart (around $11), with investigators considering this budget option as consistent with a non-professional operation. It also highlights the volume of online tips and the ongoing verification by law enforcement.

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

6 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Ozark Trail, Uncle Mike's, Wal-Mart, Mario (Sherry Coleman's brother), Brian Thompson. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Clues About "Cheap" Backpack and Holster That Help Track Down Mystery Person at Nancy Guthrie House"?

The episode runs 14 min; the transcript is about 2,704 words in 30 timestamped sections.

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