New Theory Emerges After Reporting on Blood Droplets Both Outside AND Inside Nancy Guthrie's House

What this episode is about

A new theory links blood droplets found outside Nancy Guthrie’s house to identical, vertical blood patterns found inside, with no signs of struggle or smearing, suggesting a similar incident occurred inside as at the doorstep. The report questions the decision to halt the search and advocates for continued, expanded search efforts.

Key takeaways

• DNA patterns inside and outside the house align, but the lack of context on location invites speculative puzzles over concrete conclusions.
• The 90-degree blood drops imply a non-chaotic exit; yet trial-by-fire interpretation risks overreaching beyond the scene.
• Jurisdiction chatter hints at FBI politics; investigative optics matter as much as the actual evidence on the ground.
• Continuing searches with drones and neighbors is prudent, but mismanaging access erodes public trust and hampers cooperation.
• Blood trail suggests possible carrying or dragging; the narrative shifts from abduction to body extraction, changing the crime type.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Eric (Guest) · 3 min speaking
• Will (Guest) · 1 min speaking
• Megan (Guest)

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: search and rescue, blood pattern, Sheriff Nanos, crime scene
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Abduction, Murder, blood pattern, homicide
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Aurora James, Jessa Savannah
4. 9:00 – 10:21: Birch Gold Group, precious metals, Digital Currency

Notable quotes from "New Theory Emerges After Reporting on Blood Droplets Both Outside AND Inside Nancy Guthrie's House"

• Familiar with the investigation >> has said that >> the pattern of that blood inside the house matches the pattern outside the house outside…

  about blood pattern · at 0:24

• >> Yeah, I think so. I mean to cover your first point, Megan, which was about the search and rescue and the sheriff calling it off very quickly, I am more…

  about search and rescue · at 1:19

• You'll actually send out a missing person's initiative. So again, it falls again into this bundle of errors that the sheriff seems to be calling, whether it be…

  about Sheriff Nanos · at 2:14

• They the FBI could have swooped in and said, "We'll take it." if it's just an abduction, if it's if it's a murder, then…

  about Abduction · at 3:25

• Well, the other thing we don't know is how much blood is inside, which is why, I've wondered all along if this sheriff is leaning toward murder as opposed to…

  about Murder · at 5:26

• You drive yourself crazy. but it's just bizarre. And then I think unless Eric saw it somewhere, I have not seen a lot of blood leaving the porch going down that little…

  about Aurora James · at 6:33

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  about Birch Gold Group · at 9:17

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Sheriff Nanos — Person · Referenced law enforcement official · 2 mentions · first at 0:06
  Central authority figure criticized for investigative decisions (calling off search and rescue, crime scene handling) and alleged friction with the FBI.
• Tim and Eric — Person · Panel participant / referenced expert · 9 mentions
  Provides a key theory interpreting the blood droplet pattern (e.g., victim carried over shoulder), shaping discussion of abduction vs. homicide.
  It be opening up the crime scene, enabling, treasure hunters to come and start digging around. And I agree with Eric entirely on the point of, if she was going to be…
• George Will — Person · Panel participant · 4 mentions
  Argues search-and-rescue should have continued absent specific evidence; discusses missing person's initiative and investigative errors.
• Aurora James — Person · Panel participant · 1 mention · first at 6:22
  Explores implications of blood evidence (e.g., taken from bed, body removal) and raises possibility of a struggle and DNA under fingernails.
• Nick & Ari Ashley — Person · Referenced reporter · 1 mention · first at 0:00
  Credited with adding reporting about DNA evidence inside the house, prompting further forensic discussion.
  That dovetales with something Ashley just added to her reporting over the weekend about the DNA that was inside the house. Sheriff Nanos won't tell us, but she got some details. I don't know.
• Jessa Savannah — Person · Referenced person (recipient of info) · 1 mention · first at 6:02
  Mentioned as someone the sheriff may have told that the victim was taken from her bed, tied to blood deposit location.
  >> Yeah. And you're right. And he also might have told her, or told Savannah she was taken from her bed because that's where the, a large deposit…
• Crypto Megan — Person · Panel participant (addressed) · 1 mention
  Referenced as having raised the point about search and rescue being called off quickly.

Companies & orgs

• FBI — Organization · Referenced agency / jurisdictional stakeholder · 5 mentions
  Discussed as potentially having jurisdiction if treated as kidnapping; also central to alleged conflict with Sheriff Nanos.

Concepts & topics

• blood pattern — Concept · Core forensic topic · 3 mentions · first at 0:28
  The vertical 90° droplet pattern (inside and outside) is treated as a major clue about movement, lack of struggle, and possible carrying/dragging.
• Abduction — Concept · Core topic · 4 mentions · first at 3:30
  Used as a key classification affecting jurisdiction and investigative framing (abduction vs kidnapping vs murder).
• Murder — Concept · Core topic (hypothesis) · 2 mentions · first at 3:30
  Discussed as an alternative explanation to abduction; tied to jurisdictional implications and the amount of blood inside the home.
• DNA — Concept · Core forensic topic · 1 mention · first at 0:14
  Mentioned as evidence found inside the house and potentially under the victim's fingernails, implying possible contact/struggle with perpetrator.
  But she got some details. I don't know if this is the entirety of the DN the DNA, but she did get some more details on what was found inside of that house.
• homicide — Concept · Core topic (investigative framing) · 1 mention · first at 5:51
  Raised because homicide detectives were called immediately, suggesting investigators may have suspected a killing early.
  Lot of blood inside that house, it's possible the sheriff all along has been, and don't forget, he called in homicide detectives immediately. It's…
• search and rescue — Concept · Core operational topic · 3 mentions · first at 1:22
  Critique centers on the sheriff calling off search and rescue quickly; discussed tactics include drones, aerial search, and canvassing neighbors.
• crime scene — Concept · Core investigative topic · 2 mentions · first at 2:21
  Discussed in context of alleged mishandling (opening the scene, allowing 'treasure hunters'), affecting evidence integrity.
  Person's initiative. So again, it falls again into this bundle of errors that the sheriff seems to be calling, whether it be opening up the crime scene, enabling…
• missing person's initiative — Concept · Operational concept · 1 mention
  Raised as a formal escalation step when communications with kidnappers break down, indicating procedural options in missing/kidnapping cases.
• precious metals — Concept · Advertised investment topic · 1 mention · first at 9:22
  Central product category in the Birch Gold Group ad, framed as a hedge during uncertainty.
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• Digital Currency — Concept · Advertised macro-risk topic · 1 mention · first at 9:11
  Mentioned in the sponsor ad as a reason for economic uncertainty and a motivation to buy gold.
  International disputes, inflation, rising national debt, digital currency.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Advertiser / sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 9:22
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 That dovetales with something Ashley just added to her reporting over the weekend about the DNA that was inside the house. Sheriff Nanos won't tell us, but she got some details. I don't know if this is the entirety of of the DN the DNA, but she did get some more details on what was found inside of that house. Here it is in SAT 54. Today, another law enforcement source familiar with the investigation >> has said that >> the pattern of that blood inside the house matches the pattern outside the house outside NY's front doors. Uh those pattern droplets, as many um experts uh have, you know, describe it are as vertical. They're they're they're they fall straight up and down 90°. Um and there's no smears. There's no stepping in it. There's no struggle. there's no signs of struggle on that front

0:52 doorstep. My source tells me it is exactly the same inside the house that there's no sign of struggle in that blood. It's not smeared. There's no steps. Um they are those straight up and down drop pattern blood. I asked where in the house and I did not get that answer. I can't tell you if it was in the bedroom, if it was in the front entrance. >> So that's a pretty good clue as to what went down that night potentially. Will >> Yeah, I think so. I mean to cover your first point, Megan, which was about the search and rescue and the sheriff calling it off very quickly, I I am more inclined to although statistically, yes, the chances of recovering someone within a designated period of time, it diminishes beyond that time, but until such time as unless he had specific evidence to support the reasoning for calling off that search and rescue, I

1:43 think the search and rescue should continue. uh whether it be using drones, whether it be using aerial capabilities, whether it be soliciting neighbors, all sorts of things. This this can go on for an awfully long time. And determining also what NY's typical pattern of life was. You know, what was her routine? Where did she go? Was there a local coffee shop that she would regularly frequent? Until such time as all those inquiries had been exhausted, I don't think you can call off a search and rescue. And I've had individuals where communications with with um um kidnappers has broken down and you'll you'll actually send out a missing person's initiative. So again, it falls again into this bundle of errors that the sheriff seems to be calling, whether it be opening up the crime scene, enabling, you know, treasure hunters to come and start digging around. And I

2:29 agree with Eric entirely on the point of, you know, if if she was going to be incapacitated and certainly from the drops of blood, it would appear, and I think I can give the credit to Eric on this because we discussed this during the break, that she was probably being carried over the individuals, the perpetrator's shoulder, which is hence why the drops fell as they did through the property and then out. And I'm sure Eric will probably be able to give you a little bit more on that. He's probably more of a blood expert than me, but certainly it just seems a catalog of errors um as to the how that the whole site has been managed, the process has been managed and and it smacks horribly of uh a pettiness that the sheriff has towards the the bureau and and uh and his unwillingness to >> on that front. on that front. Now, this is speculative on my part, but

3:19 >> my understanding is if this is officially a kidnapping from day one, the FBI does have jurisdiction like that they the FBI could have swooped in and said, "We'll take it." Um, if it's just an abduction, if it's if it's a murder, then it's a local crime and it's the sheriff's. So, I could have that wrong, but I did hear that from a legal expert I trust over the weekend. And that could potent, we know this sheriff, he denies it, but we know from his earlier statements, he can't stand the FBI. He has a bad history with them. He does not like them. They've investigated his department. And it's possible he was like, "It's an abduction. It's not an it's not a kidnapping. There's no reason for the FBI." And then eventually, like 72 hours in, he realized, "Oh I'm

4:02 in over my head." I don't know. It's just a possibility. But the the blood pattern inside the house matching the blood pattern outside the house that we've seen, Eric, is interesting that with the new detail that she was taken from her bed is starting to give us a visual in how they got her out. So expand on your statement to Will. >> Well, you know what we were talking about earlier is it seems like if it's a 90°, so you have a straight line, a pattern of blood droplets moving along.

4:31 Um, now she could have been carried, she could have been dragged and bleeding. You know, there are a couple reasons she could be bleeding. There could have been blunt force trauma. Uh, and then she's pulled out. She could have been actually killed in the home and it's an it it's not an abduction of the person, but a taking away of the body. Uh, or, you know, something could have happened in the home, an altercation, and they decided we need we need to get her out. We need to go. And, um, as she's being pulled along, she's bleeding. uh when you're 84 years old, if you're grabbed roughly, that skin can tear a lot easier than when you're much younger. Um and so that could have caused it. Uh but either way, it looks to me uh that she was pulled out um or carried. Uh she she dropped blood in a certain pattern that matches interior of the house, the

5:16 porch, and of course along the driveway. And then she's thrown in a car and taken away. And we um we don't know what happened to her since then. Well, the other thing we don't know is how much blood is inside, which is why, you know, I've wondered all along if this sheriff is leaning toward murder as opposed to abduction, and he's got to keep abduction open because she's no longer there, James. But if there's a lot of blood inside that house, it's possible the sheriff all along has been, and don't forget, he called in homicide detectives immediately. It's possible from the get-go he's been thinking this is a homicide.

5:58 >> Yeah. And you're right. And he also might have told her, you know, or told Savannah she was taken from her bed because that's where the, you know, a large deposit of the blood was. That would make complete sense if the video we're now seeing. Um but but why take the body? This case just the more you look at it, the the less and less it makes any sense. You know, why take her body if if if she died, you know, in the bed or right there there was a stroke. >> What if she fought? James.

6:24 >> Yeah. >> You know, and then she's got the perpetrator's DNA under her fingertips. >> Yeah, it's possible. Again, there had have been a reason. I try not too much to get in the head of these people cuz, you know, you drive yourself crazy. Um but it's just bizarre. And then I think unless Eric saw it somewhere, I have not seen a lot of blood leaving the porch going down that little um step up, you know, the steps with the rod iron where that blue t-shirt was left. I I I've only seen blood Yeah. Like I don't see any.

6:52 >> Here's the Fox News video and and it does show some blood >> on that this little path that we're looking at right now leading >> into >> the the red bricks. So the blood does continue. That was news that we didn't know courtesy of Fox. >> Yeah, it's >> um after they released that video of the intruder. Here's you can see see a little see blood. >> Okay. >> Drops of blood. This is courtesy of Fox.

7:15 >> Yeah. And interesting that he didn't step in it. Interesting. It is very dark. We know how dark it is there. So, how how do we, you know, from an evidentary standpoint, how do we how do we get get there? How was he able to carry her or move her and and that thing's falling at a 90 without, you know, any real movement, which you would expect carrying someone out and then not step in it at 2 in the morning with it's so dark there. Maybe he's using that mouth light that he had, but it's odd to me. Well, Eric's theory of her possibly being over his shoulder, like bleeding >> behind him as he walked forward.

7:51 >> Yeah, >> that would explain. >> Yeah, I like that a lot. And then what? To the car and then we go um >> but but I mean you guys could speak to this more easily than I I think I could speculate to it, but her I think she was um 5 foot five and 150 pounds. Um, if she were no longer living, that would be extremely heavy, >> right, to lift. >> Yes. >> Dead weight. Like a dead weight of 150 lbs weighs even more. It feels like it weighs even more, right? I mean, Eric, you're >> But we're also we're also assuming that there's only one person that there could be multiple people, and I suspect there there would have been multiple people if they're carrying her out, right?

8:36 um you know that's very difficult for an or it could be one person who kind of uh restrains her you know he had a lot in that backpack you know so he could have had restraints he could have gagged her um she could have been bleed he walked her out um and and forced her into a car so we just don't know >> we have zero reason to disbelieve that zero reason to disbelieve we haven't seen it like an empty car sitting there waiting and we didn't see a the per come up and turn off the ignition with no one else in it like We we there absolutely could have been another person there.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "New Theory Emerges After Reporting on Blood Droplets Both Outside AND Inside Nancy Guthrie's House"?

Eric (Guest), Will (Guest), Megan (Guest).

What is "New Theory Emerges After Reporting on Blood Droplets Both Outside AND Inside Nancy Guthrie's House" about?

A new theory links blood droplets found outside Nancy Guthrie’s house to identical, vertical blood patterns found inside, with no signs of struggle or smearing, suggesting a similar incident occurred inside as at the doorstep. The report questions the decision to halt the search and advocates for continued, expanded search efforts.

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

19 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including blood pattern, Abduction, Sheriff Nanos, Tim and Eric, FBI, Murder. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "New Theory Emerges After Reporting on Blood Droplets Both Outside AND Inside Nancy Guthrie's House"?

The episode runs 10 min; the transcript is about 2,001 words in 16 timestamped sections.

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