NEW Timeline in Nancy Guthrie Alleged Kidnapping Raises More Questions About Cameras, w/ Chad Ayers

What this episode is about

The discussion revolves around the recent developments in the alleged kidnapping case of Nancy Guthrie, focusing on conflicting information regarding the status of home security cameras at the scene. Key points include reports of smashed cameras, the sheriff's denial of these claims, and implications about the potential involvement of someone familiar with the family's home, highlighted by details like a lack of subscription for the camera service.

Key takeaways

• Smashed cameras? Sounds like someone's hiding more than just bad angles—timestamp those alibis!
• No subscription on the camera? Indicates a savvy insider, not just a random intruder; who knew the score?
• Towed vehicles aren’t just for drama; they’re investigative gold mines—can’t hide secrets on a moving car.
• In an era of digital breadcrumbs, a phone left behind is a digital alibi—or a risky game of chance.
• Cars and phones are now forensic detectives; data retention can turn a suspect's timeline into a confession.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 8 min speaking
• Chad Ayers (Guest) · 6 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Annie Guthrie, Brian Enton
2. 6:00 – 9:00: Nancy Guthrie
3. 9:00 – 12:00: Nancy Guthrie, Brian Enton, COVID
4. 12:00 – 14:03: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "NEW Timeline in Nancy Guthrie Alleged Kidnapping Raises More Questions About Cameras, w/ Chad Ayers"

• Police. But today it changed to 11:56 a.m. The family can't read my own writing checks. The family checks on Nancy. She's missing 11:56 a.m. And then he says at 12:03 p.m. So 7…

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 7:20

• Yeah. You know and I think it's important too. Did a what's the what's the daughter's name? Annie and Tomas did they have Ring doorbells as well? And do they have young children? Because if they have young children, you know who doesn't.

  about Annie Guthrie · at 9:51

• Now, Brian Anton raised a good point today when I discussed that with him, saying, I just assumed whoever said that like she hasn't been coming since CO did not realize she'd probably moved.

  about Brian Enton · at 11:54

• That gold has risen over 700% in the last 20 years. And a never- ending list of reasons smart Americans diversify a portion of their savings into precious metals with Birch…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 13:00

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Referenced subject (missing person / victim in case discussion) · 3 mentions · first at 6:44
  The discussion centers on the timeline of when family checked on Nancy, camera evidence, and investigative steps after she was found missing.
• Annie Guthrie — Person · Referenced family member (daughter) / key timeline actor · 1 mention · first at 2:09
  Annie is discussed as the daughter whose car may have been processed/towed and as one of the two people believed to have arrived on scene and called the sheriff.
• Brian Enton — Person · Referenced journalist (verification / reporting comparator) · 2 mentions · first at 2:17
  Used as a credibility check against Ashley’s reporting (couldn’t confirm the car being towed) and as a source of an alternative explanation about church attendance.

Concepts & topics

• COVID — Concept · Key argument · 1 mention · first at 11:32
  Mentioned in the context of changes in church attendance habits, suggesting a shift to live streaming services.
  On one source of theirs. Okay. So, one newspaper with one source says that Nancy Guthrie had not been going to church physically since COVID that she'd been live streaming it.…

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 13:09
  Advertised as a service for diversifying savings into precious metals, particularly gold, during economic uncertainty.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 I want to play some of these other sound bites, okay? Because there's other sort of like nuggets in here that are kind of interesting to me. We had Ashley report yesterday that her source told her the the nest, she said they were Nest cameras and that they were both smashed. She said they were smashed and that then law enforcement, we believe, removed them. Um the sheriff seemed to deny that here in ST 101. Uh the doorbell camera um it it was removed. We know that. But we're not confirming that any cameras were smashed or destroyed around the house. I don't know where that came from, but that's something we're not confirming.

0:44 So, we're not confirming. Um why wouldn't he confirm a smashed camera? I have absolutely no idea. That doesn't jeopardize the integrity of the investigation at all. Um,

0:57 unless you know, I mean, he's he's giving us the timeline earlier of doorbell camera disconnects. So, it's like, how did he did do they have like a bomb technician in there cutting the red wire but not the green one? It's like obviously somebody did something to it. So, what's that about?

1:14 Yeah, that's what I can't figure out. I do find it interesting and and I like that either Jonathan or Jim mentioned was the fact that she didn't have a subscription, right? Very few people would know that. Only close personal and I don't even think workers because at first when I first started diving into this case, first thing that comes to mind is uh home health care workers. um people that are in the house a lot of times that see maybe jewelry or anything around there. That's that comes to mind first. But with the subscription aspect, it it's gives just another layer of um someone who probably knew. And again, but smash versus unsmatched, I I have no idea.

2:02 Okay. Okay. And what about um let me play you the the sound bite about the car cuz we're back on Ashley's reporting where she said her law enforcement source told her that Annie Guthri's car had been towed and impounded, whatever that means. You know, just like kept at the lot, not returned to her. Brian Enton couldn't confirm that. He said he wasn't sure. Um having like he could see one car at Annie Guthri's residence, but that didn't mean that the other car wasn't inside the garage. And the issue of a car being towed away did come up today. Not as clearly as we would like, but here's how it went down.

2:36 The car uh the the the car that was at the home uh it's just standard investigative practices. It's part of the search warrant scene court orders. We we pull it out of there and do our scene processing with the vehicle.

2:54 Okay. I don't do Deb, do we know what the question was leading into that? Because like that's Did somebody say did they tow the car? Yeah, that's right. That's right. My my producer Lawrence reminding me he he he just threw that out there, Chad. It wasn't in response to a question. It was like he was just clarifying a couple things and just says the car. Okay. Whose car? Where?

3:21 Well, let's think about what was the key piece of ev evidence in the Alec Murdoch case. the computer in the car,

3:30 right? So, if the family is saying, "Uh, we took her home at 9:48 p.m. I watched her walk inside at 9:50. She put the um uh door or garage door down." At that point, the vehicle, unless they're driving a 1950 vehicle, these these they're going to be able to pull the data. Did that car leave the house again later on in the evening? um and the a full processing of the vehicle as well. But I'm telling you, the day and age of driving your vehicle and committing a crime that's over with. So, could that be it? Are they searching for DNA? But again, with the DNA aspect, I feel like with the FBI's crime lab, um since they're already getting pieces of DNA back, if they're sending off samples or, you know, pulling up carpet or maps in the car, that should be back by now.

4:20 Yeah, they would they they would possibly know. The other thing is in in defense of the brother-in-law, and I don't mean to dump on the brother-in-law because this is just one report and unconfirmed. I keep Savannah's brother-in-law, NY's son-in-law. Um, but in in his defense, they almost certainly would have said to him on Sunday, maybe Monday at the latest, "Let me see your cell phone." Like, "Let me have it." And I'm sure he would have turned it over. Even if he had done something, it would have been so, you know, make whatever.

4:49 or it would have made him look guilty to say no. It would have been so incriminating to say no. And so by now they would have run that whole thing. Your phone tell they they know when you put it down to go to sleep. They know when it was at rest. They know when it was upright like on you and you're walking around with it. They know everything that Alex Murdoch case showed us that like they can they could tell when he they could tell how fast he was walking around his kitchen. Like if this guy got up in the middle of the night and went over to his mother-in-law's house, if he took his phone, and maybe he was smart enough not to do that, if this is if he was involved, they would know. Now, if he left his phone sitting on his bedside table and never touched it, it's more difficult. But if he took the family car over there, you're exactly right. It's like taking your phone with you because that thing is

5:38 recording a bunch of data, too. Yeah, 100%. So again, there's there's no getting past that. Also, I'm sure when we talk about diving into forensic evidence, it does make it hard to believe and and and personally as an investigator, I would take that phone, I would dump it. I'm going to give that phone back and probably wait a few days and then I'm going to take that phone and ask and get a search warrant and ask for it again. What is this? you know, and again, I know we keep going back to the brother, the son-in-law, just because that's, you know, seems to be a a person that's been mentioned several times. Um, what is that person looking at in the following days afterwards? What are they researching on Google? Then,

6:23 it's true. They do that all the time. They It's amazing. Like if you listen to dine uh you know that so often when a crime is committed whoever is the perpetrator will go online on their phone thinking it's fine to Google how do I cover up murder you know I mean it's crazy what people will do but you see it over and over.

6:42 Well do we know who actually went into So it says 11:56 family checks on Nancy. All right. Did they go

6:50 that's a new that's a new time by the way. We were told before that the family got a call like around 11:10 and that they went right over to check her house for her. And the sheriff even said at his presser the other day, excuse me. Oh, you know, it took him a while. They didn't call us right away because they're looking for her. And I mean to me that made sense. You before you call the police, you're like you're checking everywhere. Like did she trip and fall in the backyard? Did she go for a walk or something? Like I would check everywhere before I involved police. But today it changed to 11:56 a.m. The family

7:28 can't read my own uh writing checks. The family checks on Nancy. She's missing 11:56 a.m. And then he says at 12:03 p.m. So 7 minutes later they call the sheriff. That was a new revision of the timeline. Why?

7:44 Exactly. Because those all those calls are date stamped. they he knew the other day. Um that's a like you said I agree that's a short time frame. I mean we've got a large home, we've got a backyard. Wouldn't you assume if you come in now the I guess Megan the only caveat to this could be when they approached the front door and they saw the the blood droplets spatter. They realize, uh-oh, this isn't normal. So now we're going to, you know, call. In a normal situation, you would think they'd walk over to the neighbors. Hey, did you see mom call EMS? Hey, did y'all happen to transport anyone? Call the local hospitals.

8:19 Okay, but let me just say something, Chad. Let me just say something about that. I'm ve again very open-minded to this is some guy from Mexico. It's a landscaper. I don't It's some rando. It's the guy who trespassed on the 90year-old's lawn a month earlier or sometime within the month of January. I have no idea. But I will say this in the other lane that it's possibly a family member. The original story was definitely that she didn't show up. that the family was told around 11:10 she didn't show up at church and that they spent about an hour looking for her and then called the cops. That's what the sheriff told us. But then what I've seen all over the internet over the past few days is people saying unlike me who I'm like I I would wait before I called the cops. All these other people saying who waits an hour to call the police over their missing elderly mother. And there have been a lot of people online who

9:09 found that very suspicious. So, I have to say, you know, I think it's just those two, Annie and Tomas, at this point. Savannah, I presume, was in New York. She was about to go to the Olympics this week. She had a big week in New York. There's I I haven't heard any reports that she was out there already visiting the mom. So, I think it's just Annie and the husband, Tomas, are the ones who come on scene and call the sheriff. Um, are they the ones who changed the timeline? Did are they the ones who changed it from we looked for an hour to oh no no no it was 11:57 that we we got to the house and we saw she wasn't there and we called within 7 minutes. I don't know. But nobody asked about that change in the timeline.

9:51 Yeah. You know and I think it's important too. Did did a um what's the what's the daughter's name? Uh Annie Annie and Tomas did did they have Ring doorbells as well? And do they have young children? Because if they have young children, you know who doesn't know how to lie very well? Young kids. Hey, the other day, did mom or dad leave at a certain time? You know, these are questions that I would want to ask. You know, whenever I would work, you know, roll up to a domestic kind of call, you separate parties. You know who I'd talk to? If I talk to the husband or the wife, I'd talk to the kids because kids are usually good at telling the truth in situations like this.

10:24 That's so true. Well, and also their phones on Sunday. Now, if they're not if if he's not using his phone and she's not using her phone all Sunday, that's suspicious. I mean, everybody picks up their phone when they get up. You know, it's like sadly it's a it's an appendage now. So, I think those phones will show us. And maybe they've already looked at that and ruled them out. Although, he wouldn't say he'd ruled anybody out. He specifically said they had not ruled anybody out. But, you would think that the phone movement on Sunday might show them exactly what the movements were and when this alleged call came in from the person at the church because now there's conflicting information on that. Um, this is another thing nobody asked about today at the presser. The original reporting was that she didn't show up at the church and a concerned churchgoer who knows she's always there called the

11:10 family and then the family went to the home at around 11:10. I think there's a um 10:45 mass um went to the home blah blah blah. But now the Daily Mail, it's just just one one source reporting based on one source of theirs. Okay. So, one newspaper with one source says that Nancy Guthrie had not been going to church physically since COVID that she'd been live streaming it. Um, not even like zooming where the churchgoers can see you, but just live like watching the church's live stream on her like home TV or computer and um that there'd be no way for anybody at the church to know she wasn't participating.

11:54 Now, Brian Anton raised a good point today when I discussed that with him, saying, "I just assumed whoever said that like she hasn't been coming since CO did not realize she'd probably moved churches, you know, and I do that. I go to more than one church depending on what my kids schedules are on Sunday and their sports and all that, but like that's another possibility we have to keep in mind. I can't go right to the nefarious place like somebody lied."

12:14 But it is an interesting possibility that she was not physically ever at church and nobody noticed that she wasn't at church. And if that's true, Chad, then we really do have some hard questions for Annie and Tomas. Like, how did you know something was wrong on Sunday morning?

12:34 Exactly. So, what, you know, what are y'all's routines on Sunday as a family? You live 10 minutes down the road. You know, do do you typically come over after church and have lunch like I did at my grandmother's house uh growing up? Um, but again, if that is the case, 100% tough questions are going to have to be asked.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "NEW Timeline in Nancy Guthrie Alleged Kidnapping Raises More Questions About Cameras, w/ Chad Ayers"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Chad Ayers (Guest).

What is "NEW Timeline in Nancy Guthrie Alleged Kidnapping Raises More Questions About Cameras, w/ Chad Ayers" about?

The discussion revolves around the recent developments in the alleged kidnapping case of Nancy Guthrie, focusing on conflicting information regarding the status of home security cameras at the scene. Key points include reports of smashed cameras, the sheriff's denial of these claims, and implications about the potential involvement of someone familiar with the family's home, highlighted by…

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5 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Nancy Guthrie, Annie Guthrie, Brian Enton, COVID. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "NEW Timeline in Nancy Guthrie Alleged Kidnapping Raises More Questions About Cameras, w/ Chad Ayers"?

The episode runs 14 min; the transcript is about 2,654 words in 27 timestamped sections.

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