We'll Know Soon Whether Gloves Found Have Abductor AND Nancy Guthrie DNA, with Fitz and O'Connell

What this episode is about

In the ongoing investigation, a pair of gloves found near a residence has raised questions due to their specific location, suggesting possible evidence linked to a suspect. Additionally, law enforcement's decision to conduct a search in the early morning hours indicates an active pursuit of leads, prompting further exploration of the area where the gloves were discovered.

Key takeaways

• Deserts are notorious for hiding clues; gloves by the roadside might not be a coincidence.
• Night searches: a mix of desperation and hope, where even a dull lead can shine bright in darkness.
• Gloves found can hold more than warmer hands—expect DNA, fingerprints, and possibly a trail back to the suspect.
• You never know whose DNA those gloves might carry—could link the criminal or expose an innocent's past.
• In high-stakes searches, even bathroom breaks can lead to forgotten evidence—sometimes crime scenes lurk where nature calls.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 4 min speaking
• Fitz (Guest) · 3 min speaking
• Moren (Guest) · 2 min speaking
• Carlos (Guest) · 1 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Phil Holloway
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Nancy Guthrie, COTUS
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Cash Patel
4. 9:00 – 10:30: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "We'll Know Soon Whether Gloves Found Have Abductor AND Nancy Guthrie DNA, with Fitz and O'Connell"

• Something else that happened is they found gloves. Okay, we talked about that with Phil Holloway before you guys got here. They found a pair of gloves and everybody says, Okay, it's the desert. You're going to see gloves.

  about Phil Holloway · at 0:00

• Of Nancy Guthrie. So, and that would certainly tie the gloves in directly to the crime. And what we have to hope here too is that perhaps this guy is in COTUS. That's the…

  about COTUS · at 4:49

• Discussing loosely in this past hour like did he have an accomplice driving the car, watching Nancy, helping him with the disposal of some of the materials. Don't forget Cash…

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 6:20

• Gold has risen over 700% in the last 20 years, and a never- ending list of reasons smart Americans diversify a portion of their savings into precious metals with Birch Gold…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 9:25

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Victim / subject of investigation (referenced) · 1 mention · first at 4:47
  Referenced as the person whose DNA might be on the gloves, which would directly connect the found evidence to the crime being discussed.
• Cash Patel — Person · Referenced commentator / source of claim · 1 mention · first at 6:28
  Cited for saying on Hannity that there are 'persons of interest' (plural), used to support speculation about multiple involved individuals.
  The car, watching Nancy, helping him with the disposal of some of the materials. Don't forget Cash Patel did say on Hannity two nights ago, persons of interest. We have persons plural.
• Phil Holloway — Person · Referenced expert (prior guest/analyst) · 1 mention · first at 0:03
  Mentioned as someone the hosts spoke with earlier about evidence (gloves) before the current speakers joined, indicating continuity of analysis across segments.

Concepts & topics

• COTUS — Concept · Key argument · 1 mention · first at 4:56
  Mentioned as the national DNA database that could potentially identify suspects based on DNA evidence found at crime scenes.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 9:35
  Promoted as a service for diversifying savings into precious metals, particularly gold, during economic uncertainty.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Something else that uh happened is um they found gloves. Okay, we talked about that with Phil Holloway before you guys got here. They found a pair of gloves and everybody says, "Okay, it's the desert. You're going to see gloves." But it is kind of interesting that it's in exactly the right place. It's it's not too far away from NY's house. And the gloves, they're not in the middle of like an area people prune. From the look of it, it's like roadside. It almost has the feel of somebody driving away and chucking things out the window. And then sure enough, we know that the police went back. They found these in yesterday evening in the daylight hours. Clearly, the sun had not set. You can see that in the video because the New York Post happened to be traveling with them. And um they go back at 2:15 in the morning.

0:49 Not to that exact spot, guys, but not too far from there. I'm just judging from the map. My team made maybe half an hour, half a mile. um farther south to search in the darkness. So, what's that about?

1:04 I don't understand searching in the darkness. And I've done I've done a million of these searches, but Fitz, go ahead.

1:10 No, all I want to say and and you've been on these kind of task forces. Uh at some point, they start working around the clock and you have three different shifts, maybe two different shifts, 12 hours each.

1:20 Some kind of a lead comes in at midnight. A couple agents look at each other. The boss says, "Yeah, sure. Go out." And it may be just something as as inconsequential as that. I don't mean the evidence is inconsequential or what they found, but it could be, hey guys, we're just sitting here. The calls aren't coming in at, you know, whatever time it is. Let's go out with our flashlights, you know, put up some flood lights maybe and search this particular area. And I'm not sure if that's exactly when they found these gloves or they were looking for something else at that point, but and there's also a reflective bag as we noticed, uh, Megan and Moren.

1:52 and maybe just shining a flashlight across some of this wide, you know, depth and breadth alongside these roadways, you'd get a reflection that you wouldn't normally necessarily pick up in the daylight with a backpack that may blend in with the with the floor, the vegetation, etc. So, I don't want to put too much into the time of night that the agents were out there except, hey, nothing else is happening. I've covered my leads. Let's go take a ride and look at some of these things and someone picks up what they're doing. They also may want to avoid the media. knowing what they're doing, but of course someone saw them and

2:25 there's no avoiding us. Excellent point on the reflective material on that backpack fits because you first of all that backpack backpack if it's gray, you're not even going to see it when you're out there walking. It's going to be really hard. It's super bright sunlight uh and everything is just those light camo colors and that gray backpack would fall right into it. But with regard, if I could for a moment on those gloves, I think the the the idea with the gloves is just I'm just so excited about this piece of evidence for a number of reasons. Number one, it's going to have the guy's DNA on it, there's no way it's not going to.

2:59 Secondly, if he put those gloves on while he was in his car before they got out to um uh to conduct this crime that they committed and they put their hand in the door handle to open it, they could almost superimpose fingerprints that were on that door handle onto the glove and then transfer them onto some uh some surface within the property or on the doors or on that housing of the Nest camera.

3:29 Would that still be here all this time later, Moren? 11 10 11 days later. Yes, absolutely.

3:35 Oh, wow. Really? You're confident? Yeah. Great. Not to mention touch DNA. Could he could Could Could he be that dumb to throw the things out the window?

3:46 Well, my guess was when I first heard it, he stopped to go to the bathroom and he took the gloves off and may have tried to put them in his pocket and it was pitch black and he didn't realize it and they just fell to the ground while he was urinating. Mhm. And at this point, you're not foreseeing the entire country bearing down on your crime and the amount of searching and resources and a 100 FBI agents or however many it is. You know, you're not thinking like this is this is a dumb move to leave these gloves here. I'm I'm off the crime scene at least.

4:17 And before big op, you always either before or after you want to go to the washroom, right, Bits? Especially as a guy like Yeah, that's absolutely true. or have the have the stuff in the bottle to clean your hands. But yeah, I mean, of course, maybe within a 20 ft 20 foot radius of those gloves, pick up some of the soil and look for any DNA material in there. I mean, we can probably find animal DNA, but also, and I think your earlier guest before us, Megan, suggested besides his own DNA on it or fingerprints, we could also have the DNA of uh of Nancy Guthrie. So, and that would certainly tie the gloves in directly to the crime. And what we have to hope here too is that perhaps this guy is in COTUS. That's the the national DNA database that they can run. So if there is DNA found, they want to they they could possibly come up with a name an address conceivably right away, but he has to be in there for some sort of

5:12 prior crime that would in fact uh the law permits his DNA to be put in there, his uh you know his his write up, so to speak. So uh there's a lot that can come from those gloves. It may come back to someone's DNA in Cotus who has nothing to do with the crime and we all have to be prepared for that. But just like the guy the other guy double backpack guy we're calling him and these glove they all have to be worked to their logical conclusion until investigators can absolutely rule them out that they have nothing to do with

5:41 how long would it take to get the DNA test back on those gloves which they found yesterday afternoon like around 4:00 or 5 in the evening. The turnaround can be as fast as 24, 48 hours, especially with access to the FBI lab. They've got um they've got a bunch of 10 pound brains there on scene, but they can also ship it right back uh have two agents jump on a flight and bring it right back to the lab. So, they're going to they're going to they're going to get it done very very quickly. It would also be a little bit of a bonus if they could find some of that crushed foliage from the front porch with a little bit of blood from the guy's shoes right there next to those gloves.

6:18 And keep in mind, you know, we've been discussing loosely in this past hour like did he have an accomplice driving the car, watching Nancy, helping him with the the disposal of some of the materials. Don't forget Cash Patel did say on Hannity two nights ago, persons of interest. We have persons plural. He's not dumb. He He understands to make it plural. It means something than to just say we have a per son. Old Carlos. Um so, you know, query who else he's looking at there. By the way, on the Carlos thing, there was reporting that explained some of why they got to him.

6:52 Um Nerdy Addict, Nerdy Addict, who was the one who posted that video of Pac-Man. Um, he reported that Carlos was detained based on cell phone usage data and traffic analysis, which would make sense because Carlos said they didn't even interview me when they approached me. They they put cuffs on me. I sat there for two hours. They searched my home. They took my phone. They took my mother-in-law's phone. They took my wife's phone. They took my kids' phones. And then they left. And um, they battered their way into my house and they caused some damage. my wrist hurt.

7:28 But he he said they didn't even interview him. And as you know, later the FBI said his alibi checked out, reportedly said. Um, so that would make some sense if they were going off of cell phone usage data and traffic analysis. We know he was a Door Dash delivery driver. Maybe they spotted him.

7:45 Yeah. Around. He's going up and down that block. He may have parked in the area behind him for a few minutes and they were Sorry about that.

7:54 No, I can hear you. I got you. Um, you know, he may have his his his movements must have been suspicious.

8:01 And then when they get their hands on his phone, they know easily within an hour where he was on the night in question, during the hours in question, right? That doesn't take the FBI long to run down.

8:13 Not at all. And let me I'm sure there's a number of defense attorneys in the area reaching out to Carlos. We're going to sue the government for you. And and and and Megan, as a lawyer, you know this. Uh there's such a thing as known as exigent circumstances and I've learned that in a few different law enforcement. I'm not a lawyer, but it's very very rare that that can actually come into play here. And I think a kidnapped person who may be, you know, conceivably dying without medication or or or heart uh anything to do with her heart problem, those kind of factors can kick in where Miranda warnings can be uh put aside and and emergency searches can be done like we're done like having been done here.

8:52 They can still contest it in court later even civily with this guy. Uh but just so people don't think there's all kinds of rights being violated here. Exigent circumstances is a legal term

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "We'll Know Soon Whether Gloves Found Have Abductor AND Nancy Guthrie DNA, with Fitz and O'Connell"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Fitz (Guest), Moren (Guest), Carlos (Guest).

What is "We'll Know Soon Whether Gloves Found Have Abductor AND Nancy Guthrie DNA, with Fitz and O'Connell" about?

In the ongoing investigation, a pair of gloves found near a residence has raised questions due to their specific location, suggesting possible evidence linked to a suspect. Additionally, law enforcement's decision to conduct a search in the early morning hours indicates an active pursuit of leads, prompting further exploration of the area where the gloves were discovered.

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

5 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Nancy Guthrie, COTUS, Cash Patel, Phil Holloway. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "We'll Know Soon Whether Gloves Found Have Abductor AND Nancy Guthrie DNA, with Fitz and O'Connell"?

The episode runs 10 min; the transcript is about 2,066 words in 24 timestamped sections.

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