LIVE: Epstein BOMBSHELLS and Trump’s ATTACK on US LAWS!! | Legal AF

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on the release of Epstein-related documents by the Department of Justice, revealing significant information amid the acknowledgment of missing records tied to the Trump administration. The analysis also highlights ongoing legal challenges involving Trump's regime, potential violations of court orders by federal agencies, and the implications of recent actions against journalists and election integrity in Georgia, emphasizing concerns over constitutional rights.

Key takeaways

• 3 million Epstein documents dropped: a digital breadcrumb trail or a smokescreen for darker deeds?
• Todd Blanch's transformation reflects a disturbing trend: ambition masquerading as ethics in Trump's shadow.
• Pam Bondi's apprehension is palpable; her Capitol Hill hearing looms like a storm cloud on the horizon.
• The DOJ's overreach showcases a systemic rot; even Nixon’s era seems child’s play in comparison.
• Amid the chaos, the potential for accountability is emerging; history often swings like a pendulum—hold on tight.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Ben Micellis (Host) · 54 min speaking
• Michael Popak (Host) · 36 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Donald Trump, Kate Blanch, Department of Justice, Michael Popach
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Donald Trump, Department of Justice, Secretary Howard Lutnik, Don Lemon
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Kate Blanch, Secretary Howard Lutnik, Michael Popach, Epstein Transparency Act
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Kate Blanch, Tulsi Gabbard, Fulton County, Elon Musk
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Donald Trump, Fulton County, Tulsi Gabbard, Department of Justice
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Donald Trump, Don Lemon, Michael Popach, Fulton County
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Don Lemon, Face Act, ICE, Kate Blanch
8. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Don Lemon, Donald Trump, Department of Justice, ICE
9. 1:20:00 – 1:29:45: Donald Trump, Department of Justice, Kate Blanch, Midas Touch

Notable quotes from "LIVE: Epstein BOMBSHELLS and Trump’s ATTACK on US LAWS!! | Legal AF"

• Usually used as a moat to hide even worse stuff. And the stuff in this trunch is bad. We'll break it all down.

  about Michael Popach · at 0:40

• Conference when there was the announcement of releasing the Epstein files? They just had Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney Todd Blanch there. So, what Pam Bondi…

  about Donald Trump · at 2:20

• Brought by our community here that you built with your brothers and me and all on Midas touch and on legal AF. The public outcry at what's happening in Minnesota is working…

  about Midas Touch · at 7:03

• They're supposed to prepare a report to explain their redactions and what they're withholding. Todd Blanch held a press conference where he didn't really explain why other than he said it was.

  about Epstein Transparency Act · at 8:12

• I want to go to the island on the wildest day. Can you give me the wildest party day? You have Howard Lutnik, Donald Trump's commerce secretary, who's said publicly that he…

  about Secretary Howard Lutnik · at 10:17

• Shouldn't be questioned of course I that's that's a big part of her job and so the fact that she was present in Atlanta that day you know is something that shouldn't surprise anybody she just happened to be there she just.

  about Tulsi Gabbard · at 40:45

• Communities. And the Trump regime said that it was a violation of something called the face act, FACE, which was originally created to help women, protect women from getting violently assaulted and beaten and attacked when they were getting.

  about Face Act · at 1:00:03

• Court of appeals. And this same judge is a George W. Bush appointee who's this past week said that this Trump ICE has violated hundreds of court orders already in January alone…

  about ICE · at 1:03:41

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Donald Trump — Person · Primary political figure criticized · 25 mentions · first at 1:48
  Framed as directing or benefiting from DOJ/FBI actions (Epstein files handling, Fulton County raid) and as emblematic of alleged authoritarian abuses discussed throughout the episode.
• Michael Popach — Person · Co-host / legal analyst (referred to as Popak/Popach) · 4 mentions · first at 0:45
  One of the episode’s main speakers providing legal commentary on DOJ document production, grand jury practice, and alleged constitutional violations; also promoted as owner of a law firm advertised in the episode.
• Don Lemon — Person · Central subject of civil-liberties segment · 22 mentions · first at 1:21
  Discussed as an independent journalist allegedly arrested/prosecuted in connection with reporting on protests; used as an example of claimed First Amendment retaliation by the Trump administration.
  We'll talk about the arrest and the persecution and prosecution of independent journalist Don Lemon who was at my wedding where Michael Popach was as well. Don Lemon is a close…
• Kate Blanch — Person · Key DOJ spokesperson in episode narrative · 14 mentions · first at 2:26
  Portrayed as leading the press conference on Epstein file release and giving statements minimizing/denying implications; also identified as Trump’s former criminal defense attorney.
  Conference when there was the announcement of releasing the Epstein files? They just had Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney Todd Blanch there. So, what Pam Bondi…
• Tulsi Gabbard — Person · Referenced government official tied to Fulton County raid · 11 mentions · first at 2:07
  Presented as participating/appearing at the Fulton County election office raid; discussed as part of alleged politicization of intelligence/law enforcement.
• Secretary Howard Lutnik — Person · Referenced official/business figure tied to Epstein emails · 8 mentions · first at 10:22
  Discussed as appearing in released Epstein-related emails contradicting his public statements; used as an example of alleged dishonesty and elite connections.
• Elon Musk — Person · Referenced billionaire named in Epstein document discussion · 5 mentions · first at 10:08
  Cited as appearing many times in the released Epstein records; used to argue powerful figures are implicated and allegedly misrepresent their connections.
  Pop to discuss those. But Elon Musk's name appeared over 1,400 times with emails to Jeffrey Epstein saying things I want to go to the island on the wildest day. Can you give me…
• George Herbert Walker Bush — Person · Referenced former president (via 'Bush appointee') · 3 mentions · first at 0:54
  Mentioned to contextualize a conservative judge (a Bush appointee) criticizing alleged court-order violations by ICE, underscoring bipartisan judicial concern.
  Conservative bar who's out there saying that the Trump regime is engaged in violation after violation of court orders. I think he said that I don't think I've seen an agency…
• Alex Py — Person · Referenced victim in alleged federal-force killing claim · 1 mention · first at 6:14
  Raised as an example of alleged lethal abuse by federal forces and as a critique of Trump’s purportedly transactional rhetoric about a deceased person.
  Media that for and look how commercial and transactional he is. Alex Py's stock is dropping cuz I just saw a video Alex Paddyy who was murdered and executed on the streets. His…

Companies & orgs

• Department of Justice — Company · Government agency · 15 mentions · first at 0:08
  Central to the discussion about the release of Epstein documents and legal actions under the Trump administration.
  Every single Legal AF from here on out, that's going to be the case. We are going to be very busy. The Department of Justice released purportedly 3 million of the Epstein…
• ICE — Company · Government agency · 3 mentions · first at 49:26
  Discussed in the context of violating court orders and engaging in authoritarian tactics.
• Midas Touch — Company · Media network · 5 mentions · first at 3:56
  The platform where the podcast Legal AF is hosted, mentioned as part of the broader discussion on independent media.

Concepts & topics

• Epstein Transparency Act — Concept · Legal framework · 4 mentions · first at 8:24
  Central to the discussion about the release and withholding of Epstein documents.
• Face Act — Concept · Legal framework · 5 mentions · first at 1:00:08
  Mentioned in the context of the arrest of Don Lemon and the misuse of the act.
• Nixon administration — Concept · Historical reference · 1 mention · first at 3:36
  Used as a comparison to highlight the corruption of the current administration.
  An outof control rogue department of justice. most corrupt in our history and administration that makes the Nixon criminal administration look like a kindergarten class. That…

Places & events

• Fulton County — Place · Setting · 11 mentions · first at 1:46
  Mentioned in the context of the Trump FBI raiding election offices and confiscating 2020 ballots.
  Then we'll take you to Fulton County where the Donald Trump FBI raided the Georgia election offices and they took all of the 2020 ballots despite multiple recounts, despite Donald Trump clearly.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 We've got a lot to discuss on this episode of Legal AF and I think for every single Legal AF from here on out, that's going to be the case. We are going to be very busy. The Department of Justice released purportedly 3 million of the Epstein documents and records on Friday. There seems to be at least 3 million records that are missing that the Trump regime admits to. We don't know if it's more than that, but I'll tell you that there was some bombshells in what was already produced. But I could tell you from an experience as a litigator, usually after people resist producing documents, then turn over a first trunch of a dock dump that's usually used as a moat to hide even worse stuff. And the stuff in this trunch is bad. We'll break it all down.

0:47 We'll talk about the latest uh legal fights that are fight that are coming out of Minnesota. We'll talk about a George W. Bush appointee who is a, you know, really just uh someone in the conservative bar who's out there saying that the Trump regime is engaged in violation after violation of court orders. I think he said that I I don't think I've seen an agency violate this many orders in their entire existence as ICE has in the month of January alone. We'll talk about the arrest uh and the persecution and prosecution of independent journalist Don Lemon who was at my wedding where Michael Popach was as well. Don Lemon is a a close person personal friend of mine. So obviously it's a deeply personal issue but it's a deeply personal issue regardless for all of us because our constitution is under attack. Our first amendment is under attack. He was reporting as a journalist. Our second amendment is

1:42 under attack. All amendments are under attack frankly. We'll break that down. Then we'll take you to Fulton County where the Donald Trump FBI raided the Georgia election offices and they took all of the 2020 ballots despite multiple recounts, despite Donald Trump clearly losing in Georgia in 2020. And in Fulton County, the Trump FBI is focused on that. and they brought in director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard who was there at the raid of the Fulton County election office. And by the way, where was Pam Bondi at the press conference uh when there was the announcement of releasing the Epstein files? They just had Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney Todd Blanch there. So, what Pam Bondi recorded a selfie video of herself talking about Pam Pam talking about uh what's it Don Lemon Popac? Let's get into it. But I'll tell you what, Pam Bondi, it's the word I was looking for.

2:42 Pam Bondi, the name I was looking for. She's getting nervous. She's going to be on Capitol Hill soon where she's going to be testifying in the next few weeks. And I know people who know Pam Bondi. I I've known Pam Bondi's reputation in the past. Um Pam Bondi is scared about that hearing. I think she's scared right now in general.

3:00 I know I know people that know Todd Blanch. I just spoke to one the other day that work with him closely in the US attorney's office and he said to me, "I don't recognize this guy that's masquerading as Todd Blanch. There just something in the water supply, the Kool-Aid container around the Trump administration where they all think they have impunity. They all think they they enjoy the immunity protection that Donald Trump alone enjoys and they sacrifice their their um professional credentials and oaths and ethics at the on the altar of their ambition. And um when we talked about it in the Nixon administration, it was referred to as blind ambition. Um and that's what we've been watching. You and I joked before I got on, I only half joked before we got on to record today. When are the impeachment hearings starting? and and to give people a little bit of solace, a little bit of comfort, a little moment

3:56 of zen here on Midas Touch and Legal AF before we kick it off, there are going to be uh there are going to be um repercussions and impeachment hearings and uh perhaps convictions at the Senate depending upon the results of the midterm elections and criminal investigations of these very people who are currently in the Department of Justice, who currently in the intelligence community, who are currently in the cabinet when adults and patriots return to the White House and the Department of Justice. So, while we're what we're wa there's a sort of a there's a split screen going on here.

4:35 We're watching in real time in real life how federal courts, public interest groups, the public are expressing themselves to try to control on the fly an outof control rogue department of justice. most corrupt in our history and administration that makes the Nixon criminal administration look like a kindergarten class. That is got to happen. You know, we got to chop that wood. We got to do those cases. We got to bring in court a thousand times. We've got to get the orders from judges like Judge Schultz that we'll talk about today, Judge Menendez, who we'll talk about today, Supreme Court, and all of that. But then there's this broader arc of history and the notsodistant future where the calculus changes. This is goes to your point about Pam Bondi being nervous about her job about um that she's not going to be able to squint and smarm and and sarcastic her way out of the next oversight committee hearing.

5:39 Neither will Todd Blanch. Neither will Tulsi Gabbard. Neither will you fill in the blank. Um, so the zen moment is that the things that are happening, there's going to be there's going to be a whole another wave of lawsuits, by the way, for people who who actually whose civil rights, civil liberties have been violated. Some mortally violated, like they're dead as a result. I just saw Donald Trump post in social media that for and look how commercial and transactional he is. Alex Py's stock is dropping cuz I just saw a video Alex Paddyy who was murdered and executed on the streets. His stock has dropped about as low as it can go because federal forces killed him in the streets as a citizen. This is this is how he talks about things. his stock is dropping cuz I saw another video of him kicking a tail a tail light and apparently in the Trump world that is a death sentence.

6:39 Um, and so people are watching. You and I talk about the polls consistently and where people are in voting. But judgment day is coming and where blind ambition meets judgment day, we're going to be there for it. So right now we're talking about this second wave of lawsuits and and and pressure outrage that's being brought by our community here that that you built with your brothers and me and all on Midas touch and on legal AF. The public outcry at what's happening in Minnesota is working because it's making them change policy. And so we got to continue that that firepower that only comes from a united America against the president. And then we go into the next wave, which is the civil rights and civil liberties lawsuits. And then we get to impeachment hearings. And then maybe we get into criminal prosecutions in 2028 or beginning of 2029.

7:36 First, let's talk about the release of approximately 3 million Epstein documents. I say purportedly because there's no report about chain of custody and we don't really have a sense if what's being produced is what it purports to be because it's been handled so horribly. But it's 3 million Epstein documents produced on Friday. Let's talk about what's missing by the admission of Trump's DOJ. 3 million more Epstein documents that they're withholding. They're supposed to prepare a report to explain their redactions and what they're withholding. Todd Blanch held a press conference where he didn't really explain why other than he said it was just these three million that met the criteria of the Epstein Transparency Act. We know from prior court filings earlier in the week that the Trump DOJ planned to withhold documents on the basis of purported privilege claims.

8:37 attorney client privilege, executive privilege, deliberative privilege, work product privilege. And so some of the most significant memos, internal correspondence between FBI officials with each other, United States attorneys, a USA with each other, um may still be withheld, drafts of indictments, that deliberative process, the drafts, the the the emails that weren't uh actually sent or the internal communications, a lot of that may be withheld also from what was produced. We know that these survivors are absolutely livid because their names appeared prominently on a lot of the documents and their personal identifying information was outed and the Trump regime was trying to use them to say this is why it's taken so long since last February when we said the files were on Pam Bondi's desk because we were protecting them.

9:38 But their names are out there. I'm not going to post those files right here or those emails even though some of the survivors gave us permission to do it because why bring more attention to to their names and and they probably have lawsuits um that they can file for the violation of the Epstein Transparency Act with their names released. So, it's been very very sloppy. It's been very malicious towards the survivors. But also there were some very revealing moments and we'll turn it over to you pop to discuss those. But Elon Musk's name appeared over 1,400 times with emails to Jeffrey Epstein saying things like, "I want to go to the island on the wildest day. Can you give me the wildest party day?" You have Howard Lutnik, Donald Trump's commerce secretary, who's said publicly that he only saw Epstein one time in 2005 because Epstein lived in the townhouse next door to him uh in New York City. And he said that Epstein

10:40 invited him over. He goes over and he got so disgusted by Epstein in 2005. Letic said he told his wife, "I'm not ever going to go to that man's house again. He's disgusting. Well, the emails have the documents that were released have a lot of emails from Lutnik to Epstein. Let Lutnik's representatives to Epstein's representatives Lutnik talking about the ages of his children who were with him on a trip and if they if they were going to go to Epstein's island and what days to show up there. There were like almost confirmation emails that the trip happened. There was Epstein giving $50,000 like in 2017 to some award that Howard Lutnik received um to like get a table or to like help promote Howard Lutnik's award. I mean really $50,000 to a billionaire. It's ridiculous in and of itself. Um you have messages talking about each other's nannies, you know, and Lutnick's nanny appear, you know, the name of Lutnick's nanny. And so so

11:42 you have Lutnik's name appearing, you have Donald Trump's name appearing over and over again. There was that one document pop that uh we put out right away in the Midas Touch Network that the DOJ removed and it talked about all of these heinous things that Donald Trump these allegations. Let's be very clear. We're not sure if they're corroborated or uncorroborated, but it's certainly suspicious when the DOJ takes it down right away with all of these allegations about Donald Trump and calendar girl parties with underage girls and they remove that uh right away. There's FBI 302 reports that reference Donald Trump and victims of Gileain and survivors of Gileain talking about how Gileain would show them off, show these girls off to Trump, you know, at Mara Lago and elsewhere as though they were for sale to him. And there's a 302 report that basically describes uh describes that.

12:36 And so there there was some revealing documents in there, Pop, but what was your overall analysis of these files? Well, let me do Yeah, let's let's start with it. First of all, let me back up for a minute. Sometimes we get lost in the document production. The document production was never going to be enough. And people constantly talking about the 3 million versus 6 million versus 10 million. That's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what should be happening here to bring justice and dignity to the victims. to the Trump administration. It's Department of Justice. This is all just about documents being produced. And they're willing to have that fight with the American people because they're framing it as a document production. It's a phrase you and I use all the time in 35 years of my career. I've done and been responsible for thousands of document productions one way or the other. It's

13:27 not about document production. This is about what is the Trump Department of Justice and FBI going to do next with the information that you and I are covering about the powerful men, almost exclusively men, not women, and their abuse of women. At least get to the bottom of the allegations, whether it's on the FBI tip sheet or whether it's in an email correspondence. Not just the not just the uh scandalous headlines of the New York Post or other media outlets about this person and this media mogul and this uh financeier and this royal family member. But what are you going to do about it? And the problem is they're not going to do a darn thing other than exonerate instantly Donald Trump. Every time Trump's name appears, Donald Trump's captured FBI and Department of Justice says the exact same thing. We've cleared them. It's all baseless. How do we know that? You You did an in You were just

14:32 swamped with doing the document review. How could you have possibly do and you haven't done a parallel investigation to follow up on any of the information that's in the documents? So, how can you exonerate and clear him? because they're puppets for Donald Trump to say whatever he wants them to say. And it got so bad that when a reporter asked Todd Blanch during his presser the other day when he was covering everything from Don Lemon to Tulsi Gabbard and it came to the Epstein files, he looked shag grinned and perplexed. I don't understand the premise of your question. What do you mean? Will it be Will we now know with the 3 million the men who abused women?

15:12 I I I I I uh I refute the premise of your question. I had Lisa Phillips, who's a client of mine and also an Epstein survivor who is out in the forefront with her courage react in real time to that press statement. We have a clip of it right now. Let's play it. when one intrepid reporter asked Blanch the question which was on everybody's mind which is with what you've released which is not in its entirety we'll save that for the last part of this interview and how you feel about the fact that it's likely not in its entirety and yet they said done uh the reporter asked well with what you have released will we see finally the names of men who sexually abused these girls and women and he acts like this is a Martian who's who's speaking in some dialect he does not recognize. Play the clip.

16:06 Um, you said this is the end of the Epstein uh of your review of the Epstein files. So, just to clarify, are is the public going to learn the identities of the men who abused the girls with the information that you're releasing? And if not, why not? And then I have a quick followup.

16:24 I mean, you just baked in an assumption into your question that I have never said and I don't know to be true. Is the public going to learn about men that abuse these girls? Like, what does that mean? I mean, I don't understand what that means.

16:37 Well, I mean, there the men who abused the young women through Epstein's um we we said in July um and it remains as true today as it was in July. um if we had information, we meaning the Department of Justice about men who abused women, we would um we would we would prosecute them, right? We talked about the work that we're doing. That's why I said that there I said this earlier. There's this built-in assumption that somehow there's this hidden trunch of information of men that we know about that we're covering up or that we're not we're choosing not to prosecute. That is not the case. I don't know whether there are men out there that abuse these women. Um, if if we learn about information and evidence that that allows us to prosecute them, you better believe we will. But but I don't think that that that the public or you all are going to uncover um men within the Epstein files that abuse

17:34 women unfortunately. Are you okay with that that response? No, I'm sickened by I'm just sickened by it. I'm so sickened. I'm actually like shaking right now. I want to [ __ ] cry. Like it makes me so sick. And he has a wedding ring on. Like really, how does how does he go home to his wife and the wife can look at him in the face and and actually say something like that? You know, the wife knows, you know, it's like this is disgusting. I'm looking at the files right now that says names names there. So there's no evidence of it. There's a girl who just in in in the '9s said that these men were there and there were sex parties. So, how is he saying there weren't evidence?

18:20 Yeah. So, the this position that we're just going to dump the documents and we know we know from from prior reporting and prior disclosures by the Trump administration. It's probably half of what they should have disclosed. I'll talk about that in a minute. But, but what are they doing to follow up on it? There's not only is there no uh is there no promise by the Department of Justice that they'll do anything about it other than just do the data dump, they've actually now affirmatively said they're not going to do anything about it. They're going to shield their eyes and bury their head in the sand about it. And that is a major problem on terms of the documents. I don't even understand how they go. You and I just did reporting last Saturday and during the week or I did it at midweek about letters sent in by the Department of Justice on Wednesday to Judge Angel Meer and Judge Burman in New York telling

19:15 those judges that they are still in the process of reviewing the files, going through all of the different uh safeguards that they obviously did not follow to protect victims that It's taking longer. 500 people are involved in the review, but they will be produced in the near term. And 48 hours later, the near-term was here and all the documents came out. I mean, because why? Because it was a bad news week for Donald Trump because things are going terrible for him in Minnesota. Because, you know, the the the indictment of Don Lemon, which you and I will talk about later, was not enough to kill the news cycle in his favor. So, he said, "Get them all out, even if it has the victim's names in it." So, you've got a lot of explaining to do at the House and Senate oversight committee hearings about how you go Todd Blanch from we're not done on Wednesday to done, all done, all done and we're done and we're not

20:08 going to do anything else. Is this obstruction of justice? This is where my earlier comment at the top of the hot take uh podcast come into play. is this obstruction of justice and who will pursue it to bring to justice those like Pam Bonding and Todd Blanch and FBI director Cash Patel who are responsible for the violation of the act and for failing to provide uh the documents as required. One comment about Howard Lutnik and full disclosure people know I worked for Howard Lutnik five six years ago. Um I was the global head of litigation at his company. I happened to have gone to the dinner uh in 2017 where he was fedded by the ADL uh that apparently Epstein gave him money uh for the the what I said in my analysis of it is the and I didn't know anything about it because most of this happened before I got there but the men who are regardless of what you think your connectivity to Epstein is you know

21:01 you're in the files right you know you were on the island with your children and other people's children in in uh 2013 13. Uh uh yeah, in 2013 in 2013 or 2012 uh with Howard Lutnick on a on a chartered yacht. You know that you know you had communication with him about stopping a construction of a museum project near your homes. You know you bought your house, your townhouse from Epstein. You you know all of that. So how do you get out and head of the story? Four months ago, Lutnik, I don't know if we have the clip, but Lutnik goes on uh a a uh right-wing podcast controlled by Rupert Murdoch, Miranda Divine called Airpod 1 because of all the information swirling up around about him living next to Epstein. What did you see? What did you know? You bought the house from him. And he comes out and says, "205, I went in with my wife. We saw the massage tables. This guy creeped me out. It's gross. Everybody else is

22:00 liable, not me. I never had any contact with him again. And that is a lie. And he knows it's a lie. He didn't accidentally charter a boat and end up on the island with his children for lunch. He How do you forget that? And other contexts that you that you identified between his office and Epstein's office. Now, um I want to play the clip. But first, we got to take our first quick break of the show. I want to remind everybody to make sure you

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26:40 Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, you and I all watched it four months ago. The information swirling around about conflicts of interest with Howard Lutnik and buying his townhouse from Epstein or from a group that was controlled by Epstein. He decides to go on on his own. Nobody told him what to say. No one scripted it. And he decides to separate himself from Epstein and say how disgusted he was and grossed out he was massage table. Oh my god. And then throw Democrats under the bus while he's doing it. No, knowing he had to have known that that one day the Epstein files were going to come out and his email or, you know, the email exchange about, hey, uh, I'll be in I'll be in your neighborhood near the island with a bunch of other people and my children and here's their ages. let's meet for lunch on, you know, the day before Christmas, you know, great, let's do it, and other things connecting him to Epstein. Years after

27:29 he says he no longer had any contact. One comment after we play this this this clip, he was reached for comment about him being in the Epstein files by the New York Times or other reporters, and his response was, "I've had no I've had zero contact with them." Click. As if that magical thinking of hanging up the phone was going to stop the reporting or the story. Let's play it. He was your neighbor for 10 years. How well did you know him?

27:52 All right. So, we are in number 11 and he lives in number nine. Right. So, uh we renovate we buy our house and our house is pigeons and mice.

28:05 Right. Okay. That's it was derelct. Right. So, we build we rebuild our house. We move in in 2005.

28:12 Okay. Jeffrey Epstein is arrested in like08 I think or something like that. Right. Right.

28:16 So, knock on the door. his assistant on like a Saturday says, "Mr. Epstein, uh, your neighbor would like to invite you over for coffee." So my wife and I go next door, you know, we walk the seven steps.

28:30 Yes. Right. To the next house for for coffee. We share a wall. Right. Right. So it's in New York City. So he invites us in. We have coffee in this. And he says, "Do you want a tour?"

28:42 We said, "Great." Interesting. He's got really big house. every room you went into.

28:46 He's got he's got it. Well, I'll tell you. So, his house is like super big. Really wide. And uh so he gives me a tour in the living room. Big living room. And then across from it is double doors. I assume it's the dining room.

29:00 Yeah. And he opens the doors and there's a massage table in the middle of the room

29:06 and candles all around and stuff. So I ask very insightful cutting questions. I say to him, "Massage table in the middle of your house. How often you have a massage?" And he says, "Every day." And then he like gets like weirdly close to me

29:26 and he says, "And the right kind of massage." Now my wife is standing here. So she looks at me and I look at her and we say, "I'm sorry. we have to go. And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again.

30:00 So I was never in the room with him socially, for business, or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going cuz he's gross.

30:14 Except seven years later when he arranged to charter a yacht and go with another family with all of their children, including the two sons that are now in their 30s and run his company to spend the day and lunch on the island and other connectivity. Let me ask you something, uh, Ben. He knows he's in the files. these other men know that they're in the files, whether it's the the media baron out who's running the Olympics out in California or it's the Royals again or others. Why don't they get ahead ahead of the story and tell the truth?

30:47 Do they just think it was going to be buried forever? These are the same guys who hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. So, you're asking why are people who hang out with the leader of a child sex trafficking ring, why do they behave certain ways? The these are sick individuals like I I I can try to give you deeper. I mean these are sick sociopathic deeply disturbed individuals who take the issues that they're dealing with and their own demented and disgusting and vile minds and then they go back out and they project it on the rest of the world to make everybody suffer. And that's what unites all of these people right here. I mean to your point, I mean we're looking at messages from Matthew Lutnik, Howard Lutnik, subject Jeffrey Epstein.

31:40 Good morning, Howard. Jeffrey wished me to pass along the below to you. Nice seeing you. Please read number two. And this is December 24th, 2012 after they talk about meeting together where Howard Lutnik is reaching out to Epstein. Hi Jeff. I I just want to read it even though I know everybody trusts me when I say this is what happened, but like let me just read the words to you here so I could just explain to you and we could share with you how sociopathic it is what you just said.

32:12 Is this with the ages? Yeah, go. Hi Jeff, we are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon and planning to head over to St. Barts on Monday at some point. Where are you located? What is the exact location for my captain? Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Marcy Lairman, with me on my boat. And each of us has four children, two 16s, two 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11, and a 7year-old. And then they go back and forth coordinating that as it relates to Donald Trump. In the files, there was this memo. Subject: Ry Epstein cellmate interview from FBI officials to each other. Jane Doe stated Epstein introduced her to Trump who subsequently forced her head down to his exposed penis, which is subsequent subsequently bit. In response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked her out. Jane Doe remembers Epstein introduced her to Trump saying, "This is a good one, huh?" And Trump responded,

33:14 "Yes." I mean, in terms of what people expect to see in these files, you know, Boac, you know, when we go through some of these things, and again, to be clear, those were allegations um in a memo from FBI agents to FBI agents, the correspondence from Lutnik to Epstein, those aren't allegations. That's what he wrote. This Lutnick's message to Jeff, hi Jeff, after you saw him say he was disgusting. So to your point, Popach, I could try to get into the mind of a sociopath, but I need not. These are bad people who were part of a cabal together who did bad things and who right now in 2026 are continuing to do bad things because they're bad, evil people, you know. And the question is, what is the point of a court system and law and order if bad people are not held accountable? In Brazil, their bad leader who led an insurrection, Bolsinaro, got put in prison basically for the rest of his life. And when he tried to escape,

34:18 the Brazilian Supreme Court went out and like personally arrested him. Our Supreme Court in the United States, which was supposed to be a more modern democracy or whatever the hell you want to say, gave him absolute immunity. It gave Trump absolute immunity and said, "You're a king." basically when our whole constitution was against kings and against absolute immunity. So at some point we have to ask ourselves there's no logic to it pop other than these are sociopaths. Lutnik gets on he lies. Elon Musk lie. These are lying liars who lie every day when they breathe and it's Trump all these people.

34:54 I mean, you have Elon Musk appeared 1,400 times and his emails are and when he said, "I've never been to the island." And, you know, he said all these things about other people on the island and I don't know, he or others were like reposting fake lists of other people who weren't actually on the island many months ago. Elon Musk is in emails asking Epstein, "When's the wildest night to go on the island? When's the wildest night?" Well, anyway, let's just talk Todd Blanch for a moment because you showed that. You showed that. Let let me share this with you uh though as well. Uh you showed the Todd Blanch clip before the break. Let me just share with you. This is Todd Blanch right here at the press conference admitting just so people can hear it in your own, you know, hear it for yourself that only 3 million of 6 million collected have been produced. Your plan.

35:42 We aired on the side of overcollecting of materials from various sources to best menure ensure maximum transparency and compliance which necessarily means that the number of responsive pages is significantly smaller than the total number of pages initially collected. That's why I mentioned a moment ago we're releasing more than 3 million pages today and not the the 6 million pages that that we that we collected.

36:08 That's not what the law says. Now, if you want to prepare a report that talks about the dduping that you did, removing duplicates or removing inadvertent collection of files that weren't actually the Epstein files, prepare your report and lay that out. But I don't know what you're talking about that you ingested 6 million and you're only producing three because you aired on the side of overcolction. You should heir on the side of what the law is. And the law is you go to the SDNY. You go to the SD Southern District of Florida. You go to the Treasury Department and various other people who have Epstein files. You take it. You you all you do is you redact the victim's names and the survivors names and their faces and other personal identifying information.

36:54 You produce it. It's actually a relatively easy task that they're trying to act like it's the most complex thing ever.

37:01 There's a bigger problem though, Ben. Bigger problem in the use of the term documents versus pages. You and I report. It's wor it's worse. You and I reported that back before Christmas, it was 5.2 million documents, not pages. If you look at every report coming out of Blanch, it was documents. A document is multiple pages. The average multiple pages for the Epstein files based on the first trunch that came out was 10, meaning it was 50 million pages. They've only rep they've only produced three million pages. is let's get apples to apples here against 50 million pages.

37:42 Sometimes even the Congress people confuse it between the pages of the documents. If he's right, if we're doing apples to apples, there is not just half missing. We've only gotten 3 million out of 50 million pages. That's just about less than 10%. Okay, that's that's that's my other position. That's why the House Oversight Committee, the Judiciary Committee got to get to the bottom of it and figure out if we're talking about pages or documents and what is the volume that's missing and why. Normally in a litigation, the way Popac or myself or any litigator would figure out the universe of documents is you would take a deposition of somebody called the PMK or the PMQ, a person most knowledgeable or a person most qualified who knows about the document systems. And you would spend seven hours with that person in a deposition just going through the corpus of documents that exist. Where are the documents? Where are they

38:38 located? Who's involved in the searching? Were key term search used? How is the how did this happen? And because the DOJ is serving as their own judge of the compliance of the Epstein Transparency Act and taking the position that courts can't enforce it, this is what you're left with. But we're going to stay on the job here at the Midas Touch Network in Legal AF and we're going to keep looking into this and we're going to keep asking questions. The cover up continues. But also at that Todd Blanch press conference, he was asked a question about Tulsi Gabbard's role when she appeared at the Fulton County election offices where Trump's FBI got a search warrant. By the way, not signed from federal prosecutors in Georgia. Okay, that's a red flag number one. Um, red flag number two is why is the director of national intelligence Tulsi Gabbard at the Fulton County election offices grabbing and confiscating 2020 ballots

39:38 when Trump lost. There were hand recounts, electronic recounts. The Republican governor of the state, the Republican Secretary of State, the Republican, uh, you know, uh, commissioners who were all involved all say the 2020 election was a free and fair election and Trump's continuing down this path. But watch what Todd Blanch says about Tulsi Gabbard's appearance at the Fulton County offices where the election ballots were taken. Here, play this clip. to follow up on that uh regarding Fulton County. Can you explain Tulsi Gabbard's role in

40:14 Could you please explain Tulsi Gabbard's role in DOJ activity regarding the Fulton County search?

40:20 What do you mean her role? Uh it was reported that um she was she happened to be present in Atlanta. I mean, yes, I'm I I saw the same photos you did. I mean, she's not she doesn't work for the Department of Justice or the FBI. She's an extraordinarily important part of this administration. um this administration coordinates um everything we do um as a group and so I think her presence shouldn't be um there shouldn't be questioned of course I that's that's a big part of her of her job and so the fact that she was um present in Atlanta that day um you know is is is something that shouldn't surprise anybody

40:58 she just happened to be there she just she was just hanging out that's what they're saying just hanging out

41:04 all right let's talk about Tulsi Gap Gabbert for a minute who's on the hit list for impeachment when Democrats hopefully regain power at the midterms. Tulsi Gabbard is irrelevant. Tulsey Gabbert knows that she's irrelevant because um let's use an example. The capture of Maduro during an attempt to take over the oil fields of Venezuela and take out its leader and send him to New York. Um up on the stage were all men. No Pam Bondi, even though this was claimed to be a a law enforcement proceeding or action. Uh, no Tulsi Gabbard from the intelligence community.

41:44 Her underling John Ratliffe Ratliffe of the CIA is there. Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, they're all there, but Tulsi's not there. In fact, honor about the time that they were operating to take out Maduro, which is which should have been part of her job. Where is Tulsi Gabbard? She's in Hawaii at a yoga retreat sending the world a message of peace and love. In fact, we have we have the Instagram posting when she should have been in Washington during this meeting. Okay. So, there she is in some sort of yoga pose instead of doing her job having uh and sending out messages of peace during a war effort by Donald Trump. Okay. This is the second time she's she's been tineered about things that she has said while Donald Trump was about to bomb Iran. She comes out and talks about the horrors of bombing in Hiroshima at the same time. And the reporting was that that Trump called her on the carpet literally in the White

42:43 House and said, "Get on board and stop promoting your own agenda and running for president or you're not going to be in my administration any longer." So, she must have got the message. Now she like Pam Bondi is like scrambling around for something to do. So they send her to F she sends herself to Fulton County, Georgia to stand there with a cosplaying baseball cap again like from the uh from the Christy Gnome collection uh to watch the raid of the Fulton County documents from 2020. Let's talk about Fulton County for a minute. Besides the fact that violates law and senators and Democratic Congress people are getting to the bottom as to why Tulsi Gabbard in violation of law is involved with local law enforcement activities as the director of national intelligence. And their comment in the press to the press corps was she's going to continue to make our our elections safe. Now look, Donald Trump

43:39 didn't win Georgia, but he he was certainly not going to win Fulton County, which is where Atlanta sits, where he lost by over 770%. Even if you thought there were fraud, let's just give a number that's never happened in history, 5%. Okay, the most fraud we've ever had as as every independent entity has ever looked at it is in the 0.01 percentile. Let's just say one percentile. make it 5%. He still loses by a landslide in Falton County. His buddy who got some sort of congressional presidential award, uh Rudy Giuliani, he is on the hook for 158 or $160 million defamation and liel judgment because he went after two election workers, Ruby Freeman and Sheay Moss, and claimed that they were switching votes from a box underneath their table.

44:31 Right now we're back to the Venezuela software and the and and the Venezuela manipulation through Dominion and Smartmatic of votes in Fulton County. Billions of dollars of settlements have been paid or adjudged as a result of these very same allegations. Lawyers have been convicted and lost their law licenses over it. So now is the time for a theater piece for performative theater to go send in somebody to go raid Fulton County about 2020. Uh it's and then like you said to send Tulsi Gabardan and somehow argue that this is a national security issue for which she has responsibility or part of her remitt.

45:13 Donald Trump had a cyber security entity that was responsible for ensuring our elections were safe and he immediately fired that person and and uh and killed that office when he got back. You know, he fired that person in 2020, Chris Krebs, who testified that this was that 2020 was the most safe and secure election in the history of America. Fired. And then when he got around back into office, he he dismantled the cyber security office that he created to help secure elections. Because just to be clear, so people have on our audience true truth, understanding and true facts, when Donald Trump and MAGA talk about voter fraud, just translate that. We can use the legal AF to code ring. Just translate that. They're talking about taking away your right to vote. They want to suppress the vote. They want to use the excuse of voter fraud to do it because we don't really have voter fraud problem in America. Other countries maybe. We

46:20 don't. We've never had, we never will have. We have too many competent people in 50 states at the state level that are running their elections properly. When we talk about election interference, it's not from the equipment standpoint and the vote counting standpoint. We talk about election interference in in uh bad people and bad governments and government agents around the world who troll America and try to brainwash America through social media postings now through AI uh and other things to try to get them to hate Hillary Clinton or like Donald Trump or think Joe Biden's mentally incapacitated or or on both sides but mainly against the Democrats. And that's what we talk about when we talk about election interference. But Donald Trump wants to continue to rewrite that chapter of history that made him out to be an insurrectionist and impeached. And he and so he's going after John Brennan,

47:14 the former head of the CIA in grand juries down in Florida. Not yet, at least. Hasn't happened yet. He's going after the intelligence community. He's going after the Clintons. He's going after Barack Obama. He's going after Fulton County because he wants to use his Department of Justice, FBI, and Intelligence community while he still has them under his command and control to help rewrite these chapters of history. The reality is these chapters are not being rewritten. Maybe in the dark red states, you know, their their their textbooks may read something differently, but to the historians of the world, to generations of the world, this is the most corrupt and failed presidency that we've ever had, especially in year one. We see it, the public sees it, the polling sees it, the judges see it, everybody sees it. But Donald Trump's going down his list of things he wants to do. He knows his time

48:07 is running short. I mean, the thing that scares the crap out of Donald Trump, even though he won't admit it, is that he's going to get impeached again at the midterms. So, he knows his time and he's going to be the lamest of lame duck presidents in another it's hard to believe we can finally the light is at the end of the tunnel just months away to an election. And when that happens and in 2027 when the when the impeachment proceedings, I mean, you and I will be we could make a full we're going to have to create a channel, the impeachment legal AF impeachment channel where we're just going to do articles of impeachment and the impeachment proceedings against all of these people.

48:42 Justice is coming. And I know we say that a lot here, but it is coming. We're just at that moment now where right before the EB where we're moving towards, you know, uh we're moving towards that. But but this Fulton County thing, this is just a performative [ __ ] art piece that should be completely ignored except for violations of law.

49:00 You know, I would though say it's obvious that what Trump is trying to do is to obstruct the midterms and in a very uh authoritarian but sloppy way at the same time, which is very Trumpian. Sloppy plus want to be authoritarian equals Trumpian. in a very loser way, you know, testing out different things. ICE and Border Patrol, Gustapo, invading cities. Can I literally take over a blue state, blue cities, Minneapolis, St. Paul, and Minnesota? Can I do that? What's the reaction going to be if I go into Maine and do an invasion there? Use Somalians as pretext. let me try to blame the Armenian community in California and say that, you know, use that as a pretext to go and attack California. What, you know, obviously the efforts with uh trying to gerrymander the country to pick up seats backfired on Donald Trump. Thankfully, California Governor Gavin Newsome with Prop 50 pushed back using his formal and

50:05 moral authority against Trump. Democrats were able to basically neutralize the Texas play. And then Trump went to red states. Democrats like they're doing in Virginia are showing you do it, we do it. And then because gerrymandering in general is unpopular, especially the way maggots are doing it by not putting it on a ballot, but forcing it through a legislature, um you've been able to neutralize that. In fact, Democrats look like that they're going to actually pick up seats as a result of Trump's mid decade redistricting dummy mander play.

50:38 And so to me, I'm not quite even sure if the Trump regime people know what they're doing with these ballots yet, other than they got an order for Donald Trump, take it. Come up with something, take it, and then we'll figure it out. But what they want to figure out is a way to overthrow the midterms and to create a pretext for it. So, you know, and my not that I disagree with you, Popach, but my thought is we need to look at that space very seriously because it's obvious that this is a play to shut down or to change the results or to rig the midterms because that's right out of the authoritarian playbook and all the stuff that Trump's doing is not he's not inventing these things. these sociopath sociopathic authoritarians throughout history have engaged in this type of conduct and Trump is doing this playbook and America our constitution um and what we used to mean to the world was the opposite of what was really the

51:38 sad state of human condition which was sociopathic authoritarians who hoard power and use it to uh inflict pain and torture on the people and to suck up all the resources for themselves and their oligarchs and so we just need to be very focused on that space. All right.

51:55 I wait before you before you take your break. I like the connection you're making. Let me make one comment about it. The practice I agree with you completely. This has been a practice run for this administration dress rehearsal. The use of the National Guard on the streets of America freaked out so many people that uh uh a federal judge, Judge Brier, who's the brother of a Supreme former Supreme Court justice, gave a scenario in his own order against the National Guard's use, saying, "What if a president claims that there has been voter fraud? Could he use the National Guard to seize voting machines and stop an election?" Now, that sent a chill down everybody's spine. So when we see his him him practicing on Americans, as he once said during his address of of military generals and and brass at Quantico, when we see the the use of the National Guard, when we see the raiding that is going on not just in Fulton

52:50 County, Georgia, but soon to be in other places, you're right. This is a dress rehearsal to see what he can get away with because he knows the if if people are able to vote in their interests based on polling, it's going to be a landslide against MAGA and his legacy in several months from now. You're right. It's a it's a total dress rehearsal. Let's take our last quick break of the show. A reminder, if you or someone you know has been injured in a car accident, a trucking accident, injured based on the negligence of somebody else or a third party, a company injured you, an employment case, uh sexual assa assault or harassment case, call 877 pop af or go to the popfirm.com.

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54:13 Okay, last break of the show. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Don Lemon. We'll talk about Georgia Fort who is also arrested, a great journalist as well. She was the vice president or is the vice president of the National Association of Black Journalists and DEA agents like swarmed her house. Um, you know, Lemon was arrested, you know, by federal agents in Los Angeles. That's not the way this is supposed to go. First off, this whole thing is ridiculous and, you know, just completely authoritarian, but then even the way they handled the arrest is just we we'll break it all down for you.

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58:16 All right, let's talk about, you know, this uh this arrest of Don Lemon, especially in the context of Donald Trump's assault on the First Amendment, his assault on independent media, his assault on reporters who he doesn't like. Full disclosure, Don Lemon's a close personal friend of mine. He was at my wedding when he stepped into the independent journalist space. There was a time where I was speaking with Don Lemon maybe twice a day or three times a day when he comes out to California. I was probably going to hang out with him, you know, again in the next few days.

58:47 Um, he got arrested, but in the past when he's come out to California, I meet up with him, you know, but again, Popach was at my wedding. Lemon's out. These are my friends. Um, you know, Lemon's also someone who I've admired throughout his career. I always thought he was someone who spoke truth to power. I think, you know, he would even be forced to admit, if he's allowed to admit it or not, I don't know, that, you know, being in corporate news had its limitations and held back what you can say. Um, but obviously with his independent platform, he's been able to, you know, truly speak his mind. But he was always someone who was able to speak his mind thoughtfully before, but now it's been, you know, certainly at a scale that I think certainly meets the moment even more than it did before. And um, he was, we all know the story. He was showed up in Minneapolis in St. Paul. He was uh, chronicling the protest and what was

59:37 taking place. He learned of a protest at a St. Paul church. He shows up as a reporter. There are other reporters there, including Georgia Fort. He identifies himself as a member of the press while he's videotaping a protest at this church. And the reason why there was a protest at the church is that it was believed that a um church official was a ICE leader or was supporting the ICE raids that was terrorizing the communities. And uh the Trump regime uh said that it was a violation of something called the the the face act, FACE, which was originally created to help women, protect women from getting violently assaulted and beaten and attacked when they were uh getting reproductive health care, go abortion clinics, and you know, you'd have these right-wing extremists attack them, physically intimidate, threaten, hurt, inflict violence. Um, and so a law needed to be created to uh prevent that

1:00:34 from happening in order to make the law on a bipartisan basis. There was another provision that said also you can't physically intimidate and physically harass or threaten or use force against people who are praying at a church. That was lumped together in a bill that became the face act basically. And so what we saw happen was protesters started chanting. I didn't even see the protesters engage in any physical force and intimidation. If I'm trying to, you know, see any potential argument out there, could one argue uh the protest was disorderly conduct? That's not the face act, you know, being loud and rowdy. I don't even think it meets the definition of a misdemeanor disorderly conduct state level, you know, charge.

1:01:20 Let's be clear. I represented Colin Kaepernick um you know who took a knee and protested and everyone's saying why are you protesting during the games? We don't want to see that. Protests make people feel uncomfortable. That's the point of a protest. You know what's more uncomfortable than seeing a protest? Seeing somebody get shot in the face. You want to know what's more uncomfortable than seeing somebody getting shot in the face? Getting shot in the face. Okay. Alex Prey and Renee Nicole Good, the people who have died at detention centers, the Americans and others in this country who have been killed, who have been uh sprayed with gaseous substances in their face, who have been attacked, who have been shot with pepper spray. That that's more uncomfortable, okay, than having people protest to bring attention to the terror and torture that's taking place. But in any event, if you want to say, "Hey,

1:02:03 there's some sort of misdemeanor, disorderly conduct, it's a private space." Even though I then argue churches should be open to everybody, you know, whatever. But face act, the federal law says physical threats, physical violence, physical intimidation, not utilizing your first amendment right as protesters, even if your protest is loud, even if your protest is disruptive. There's a difference between disruptive conduct and physical intimidation and physical attacks, which is in there. But Don Lemon wasn't even protesting. So, I just want to make that distinction, too, because I don't think the protesters engaged in any crimes, yet alone the federal face act crime. Lemon said, "I'm a reporter. I'm here videotaping. That's all I'm doing." When someone at the church touched Lemon, Lemon said, "Please don't touch me. I'm just here to report." And Lemon repeatedly said on the live stream over, "I'm not with

1:02:55 them. I'm here to report." Like, he said it multiple times out loud. So with all of that, Trump and Pam Bondi and Har Dylan and all of the people in this Trump regime wanted Don Lemon arrested though because the right-wing base on Twitter now act arrest Don Lemon, arrest Don Lemon. You need to arrest him and I guess they figured that's a good issue for their base which is postconstitution anti-constitution, you know. But they then go Don Lemon, they try to get a magistrate judge to sign off on a criminal complaint against Don Lemon. That fails. They go to the eighth circuit court of appeal. That fails. Popock in a bit. You'll talk about this judge Schultz who had to even send a letter to the eighth circuit court of appeals. And this same judge is a George W. Bush appointee who's this past week said that this Trump uh ICE has violated hundreds of court orders already in January alone more than

1:03:53 agencies have violated in their entire existence. That's what ICE has done and he's never seen anything like this um before. So the getting a magistrate judge to sign a criminal complaint that fails then they go for this indictment. They somehow get an indictment which we'll learn more about. Remember they got indictments of Comey and Leticia James. Okay. And yes, you can indict a ham sandwich, but there were grand juries that didn't indict Leticia James after that first indictment. Um, succeeded, but then Lindseay Halligan, we learned, did all of this misconduct in the grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia, gave the grand jury incorrect legal rules, didn't show them evidence, brought somebody who stole attorney client information, you know, and engaged in all of this, you know, misconduct. So, one of the things we'll see, and I'll flag I'll turn it over to you, Popach, though, is we don't

1:04:42 know what went down in the grand jury room. I doubt the Trump regime's lawyers who they sent in there, who apparently are not Minnesota or not lawyers from Los Angeles. I mean, that these are lawyers they brought in just for this. I doubt those lawyers showed the full video or showed the full evidence. My gut is they brought in a single FBI agent. the FBI agent uh who's a Trump regime lackey pro I'm just giving you my guess because this is what we've seen before. I'm hypothesizing based on past experience of this Trump regime gave a hearsay story because you can do that in grand juries. Yes. Did you physically intimidate? Yes, he did. What do you see him do? I saw him got in front of the door and the evidence shows he pushed back. Anything else you saw? No. Does that constitute physical intimidation, Mr. FBI officer? Yes, it does. All right, grand jury. Physical intimidation. you heard the FBI officer,

1:05:35 so if you believe physical intimidation, you have to sign this. That's my gut when we find the grand jury transcript. What's actually what actually went down? But in any event, they then arrest Don Lemon in Los Angeles with federal agents. Also, Georgia Fort, another reporter who was doing the same thing Lemon was doing, who was videotaping it. They sent like DEA dressed as SWAT teams to her house and basically scared her to death and scared her family. And what you're supposed to do in a situations like this is, you know, one, not do this in the first place, but you would get a warrant. You would reach out to the person like a Don Lemon or a Georgia for you would say, "Show up. You've been criminally indicted. You would negotiate a surrender and that's what happens."

1:06:13 But the Trump regime wanted the theatrics. They wanted per walks. They wanted to inflict fear and pain. And that's what they're doing. Pop, take it from there and maybe connect Judge Schultz's order.

1:06:25 Okay. Well, let let's start with Judge Schultz. I said on a hot take and I still believe that Judge Silt Schultz who is the right-wing former Anthony Scalia on the Supreme Court clerk Republican appointee chief judge of all the judges of the district courts of Minnesota who was assigned to a number of cases involving the Trump administration so far. when he wrote his letter and his email, which I've rarely see in 35 years, constituting his response to Pam Bondi's attempt to get an arrest warrant against Don Lemon for the very thing that you've you've at length described.

1:07:06 He, the chief judge, effectively vouched for Don Lemon that he didn't commit any crimes. There's no other way to interpret Judge Schultz's writing to the ETH circuit who asked him, uh, we're about to decide whether we should issue an order forcing you to issue an arrest warrant overriding the decision of a magistrate judge, which never in the history of the Eth Circuit of any federal court has that ever happened. How do I know that? Because Judge Schultz did a survey and told the ETH circuit that. Tell us what your thoughts are. And the judge wrote an email and a letter and said, "I'm at home because it's snowing and I have a a child has an adult child who has special needs, but I'm going to write to you about an application that I can't see that I don't know what it says that seems to be sealed even against me, and you want me to respond, but I have a pretty good idea how I should respond." And in that

1:07:57 letter, in that email, he said that the journalist and the producer, which is Don Lemon and his producer, did not commit a crime. And that's why he's not going to override. He shouldn't be forced to override the magistrate judge who also found that Don Lemon and the producer were exercising first amendment freedom of the press rights and didn't commit a crime. Anybody that follows Don Lemon's channel the way you and I do as not even casual observers as people that know Don know that Don does live reporting a lot. Okay? If you were bored on New Year's and you were didn't want to watch the ball drop, you could have tuned in to Dodd Lemon in New Orleans doing whatever Don was doing at the time uh and recording it for his live feed.

1:08:36 Okay, that's what reporters do. You know, we got Katie Fang, who's a friend of ours as well, who's out in Minnesota right now doing live reporting. Just because even if she knew, even if she knew that there was going to be a protest at a certain moment and showed up to get the exclusive, it doesn't make her a co-conspirator with the people that did the protest. See, what Todd Blanch, back to Blanch again, what Blanch said is, uh, in an interview on Fox a week or so ago, is so-called journalist Don Lemon embedding himself with agitators is not going to give him any kind of protection. All right, let's stop right there. Wherever you ply your trade and frankly hardcore journalists are now plying their trade on YouTube as we are on Substack as we are and they're not on mainstream media uh see you know see exhibit a flow of mainstream media onto YouTube platforms like Midas and Substacks. Okay. and the fact that they

1:09:35 they think Don Lemon after 17 years on CNN who's in a fight with Elon Musk over him being deplatformed and violating a contract when Elon Musk was going to put Don Lemon on and the Don Lemon show and don't and I don't want anybody to think for a minute these things are not unre these things are unrelated fact that Elon Musk would love to see Don Lemon in in handcuffs. Okay, you don't think that played into this a calculus? Come on. So just because Don's on YouTube with a channel like I am, like you are, doesn't undermine our First Amendment right, the Constitution's founders and framers didn't say that there's a First Amendment freedom of the press except for people that are on a YouTube channel or a Substack. They didn't write that out with a quill pen. Okay? So where he applies his trade, I don't care if he's in an old van riding around with a shortwave radio telling people his opinions. He has a First Amendment

1:10:28 right. And I don't care whether as the as is alleged in the indictment, they met for coffee before and he knew that they were going to okay, journalists get tipped off all the time about it. He didn't plan it, you know, and of course to troll Don and the American people and us particularly, you know, you got Tulsi, you've got uh Harmy Dylan, who full disclosure, you and I know I litigated against her and with her in cases. Harmy Dylan, who's busy chloroforming the civil rights division of the Department of Justice, trolled everybody, including Don Lemon, by putting up retweeting a comment where somebody said something about the KKK act, the Ku Klux Clan Act of conspiracy being used against Don Lemon uh in a conspiracy to deprive uh civil liberties and civil rights, which was used when the KKK went after uh newly freed slaves to deny them their rights. It's also being used against Donald Trump right

1:11:22 now in a civil matter still going on by the Metro Police and the Capitol Police uh in front of Judge Ma in in uh in DC. So she wrote or they somebody wrote and she retweeted Don Lemon's now a clansman like you know because the African-American the black journalist is now being is under the the KKK act. So in Minnesota, every federal judge, magistrate, and chief judge that looked at the facts said no arrest warrant because no crime. And so that, as I said in hot takes, that doesn't stop them from trying to get a grand jury to indict. Now, there's been a couple of grand juries they either didn't present to or they finally found one based, as you said, on Let's just talk about grand jury process for a minute because sometimes we do shorthand, and I don't want to. Who's in the room? The defense is not in the room. The defendant is not in the room. The lawyers for the defendant is not in the room. Uh, and

1:12:23 you don't even need to bring in actual witnesses. And certainly the other codefendants are not in the room. It's just the prosecutor. And and if you're right, and I believe you are, an FBI, a sort of roadmap witness, you know, somebody we call a uh composite witness or somebody that that just testifies about having I reviewed the evidence and let me tell you what the evidence says. So, it's like hearsay, you know, there's nobody to push back and cross-examine it. And then they just put that up. The guy saying there was a meeting in a coffee shop.

1:12:54 Don Lemon was at the meeting. Then they went to the church and then Don Then Don Lemon was filming, but he's a fake journalist and therefore conspiracy. Tada. They put up a board with the elements and they asked the jur the grand jury to vote and return an indictment.

1:13:10 And by the way, it could literally be 10 minutes. Just so people, oh yeah, it could literally be just that 10 minutes in and out. We we know that as it to go back to an earlier story tonight on legal af in the Epstein indictment of Maxwell, Judge Angle Meyer revealed that it was one FBI agent who gave a it's called a summary witness who gave summary testimony of his review of files and the jury returned an indictment of like you said 15 or 20 minutes that eventually got sustained through a conviction. But that's how it can happen. Now, just because there's an indictment doesn't mean it's going to stick or that a federal judge in this case back in Minnesota. It's going to be back in Minnesota, right, Ben? The indictment's out of Minnesota.

1:13:56 It is. Yeah. All right. So, it's going to be a federal judge assigned to the case. Not sure who as we're recording who the federal judge is, but one of them that has been struggling against the Trump administration. Could be Mendez, could be Schultz, could be Tostrip. There's a whole bunch of judges there um who are going to handle this case. And immediately Abby Lel, who as I've said before is going to be one of the action figures, you know, superhero action figures coming out of this administration along with Don and maybe maybe you, Ben, maybe Legal AF, that kids can that kids can have on their shelf because Aby's representing Leticia James, representing Dr. Lisa Cook on the Federal Reserve representing here Don Lemon and rushing into the fire that is the Trump Department of Justice and Justice system to defend Don Lemon. And now he's going to now now we're now got it. He got arrested, got a got an

1:14:49 arraignment. Now it's going to be motion practice that he's going to argue this is a first amendment right that's being violated and the evidence doesn't support it. And we'll we'll see what's going to happen. you and I will cover it closely with the and then bond hearings and all of that, but this is nothing more than the Trump administration deciding to scratch Donald Trump's itch to go after media in order to have a chilling effect, not just on Don Lemon because there's no way to chill Don Lemon, but to uh make the next reporter, maybe a younger reporter, think twice about following up on that story or asking that question or doing that reporting or or a corporate media publishing that that uh investigative report. That's why MIDAS, ProPublica, all these independent entities that don't have corporate parents that don't have to worry about a billionaire making a phone call to them. You know, we don't

1:15:41 have to worry about Jeff Bezos, you know, putting out the Melania uh the Melania documentary as a as a obvious bribe to the Trump administration, like don't touch my interest, don't touch my Washington Post, don't touch my Amazon. Okay? We don't have to worry about that. So these have to It's the opposite. Don Lemon is independent journalism that has to survive. And this is the fight that we're going to see. Just like the Washington Post reporter who got raided at her home and had all of her devices initially captured before a federal judge stepped in. This is what they're trying to do. Look at the puppet theater that you and I report on every day. That is the press secretar's daily briefing.

1:16:21 or the other one we don't cover as much but we should, which is the Pentagon briefing. It is now just filled with a bunch of right-wing social media influencers. Riley Gaines, the the swimmer who's against all transgender rights, is now in the White House briefing room throwing softball pieces of birthday cake at uh uh Carolyn Levit. And the two of them I almost vomited watching the two of them in action. Oh, Riley Gaines, nice to have you here. You get the first question. First, they want to say how you you're going to be a girl mom. And I'm like, are what are we doing? And then the Pentagon's even worse because there they've decredentialed any legitimate reporter and now you got people like Laura Loomer at the Pentagon briefing because this is what Donald Trump wants and we have to be leading from the front, not from behind as independent journalists. I didn't I didn't get backed off. I didn't get

1:17:20 chilled because of what happened to Don Lemon. I know you didn't. I know our networks and channels didn't. I got it redoubled our efforts to get on the air against all of the weight of the Trump administration.

1:17:33 If anything, to your point, it motivated us more and it shows the necessity of independent media right now. Um, and and as I've said before, like on this episode, I hope when you look back at it, there's really nothing that I think I said that was, "Oh, that should be the Democrat's position or that's a Republican position or that's an independent position." To me, this is a law and order show. And that means actually enforcing the laws, making sure they're faithfully executed, and calling out the facts where Howard Lutnik says, "I never married Jeffrey Epstein since 200." And then he clearly did, that's disqualifying. Where Elon Musk says that, that's disqualifying. Where Trump says that, that's disqualifying. I mean, this anybody involved in that cabal, my view, it's it's disqualifying. It's a very simple moral question in addition to a legal one. It's a moral question also. Who are we as a society when ICE

1:18:39 and Border Patrol Gustapo are torturing, terrorizing, killing? We see it. We see it. I know that's not good. I I I don't have to formulate a political opinion. I could have form a moral opinion as well. And I want the law to reflect our values of a society when crimes are being committed. And if ICE and Border Patrol are engaged in criminality and terrorism, they need to be held accountable. There shouldn't be discussions about funding them more. The discussion should be about what could we do to prosecute these criminals. That's what we should be talking about, you know. And I think the frustration we see from Judge Siltz Popock, and I'll let you leave this episode on on this, is here's this George W. Bush judge, the chief judge, I might add, of Minneapolis. um who is a major member of the conservative bar, you know, somebody who you would, you know, someone who uh clerked for Justice Scalia, you know,

1:19:36 someone whose life was as conservative as a jurist as you know, you can be, you know, and this would be someone that you and I at law school used to have good faith debates and discussions with about views, about textualism, um originalism, uh states rights, different amendments, but we would ultimately try to reach solutions that were to the benefit of the country, but we would have legitimate goodfaith arguments. But now the conservative movement is co-opted and it is just a MAGA cult. And this judge Schultz, this chief judge in Minneapolis, you know, he's out there basically saying, you know, almost feeling alone and isolated right now, you know, with all these other judges, but he's under attack from MAGA because he's just saying our orders are being violated, that the Trump regime is not using warrants, that they're not giving bond hearings, that they are violating the Constitution every single day, you

1:20:42 know, and and you know, Judge Siltz wrote a letter to the eth circuit court of appeals when the Trump regime tried to do an end run around the district court and file a mandamus petition against judge shields and not serve the document on him so he could read it. He's like, "I have to send you a letter, eighth circuit, because the Justice Department didn't even serve me with their filing right now." And so, I don't even know what they're trying to say other than I want to be clear that this Justice Department is rogue and they're engaged in conduct that I've never seen in my judicial career. That's a George W. Bush as conservative as a judge, you know, saying that. Judge Ludig, who appears often on Legal AF and who you and I have become great friends with over the years. I mean, this is someone who was uh, you know, in line to be on the Supreme Court. Um, and his clerks often became the top judges across the

1:21:39 country, you know, and and he's a right-wing he was a right-wing conservative, and now he's like, that doesn't exist anymore. It's co-opted by MAGA. And, you know, at some point, Popach, we just have to recognize and call out that we are in we're not in a constitutional crisis. We're in uh we're we're past that. We are in an authoritarianism era. That's how this will be known in United States history. And the question is, can we get out of it? A major part of its independent media. Another major part of it is going to be the incredible groups on the ground peacefully protesting the authoritarian tactics, the movement of protesters continuing to grow, people putting pressure on our lawmakers, people showing real people power because our institutions have failed, our politicians have failed, and it's for the people right now to take control and to push back. And that's what's happening right now. I'll give you the

1:22:36 final word though, Pope Buck. No, I think uh look if any if anybody you say you said people look back they won't find that I you we mean neither. I'm not I'm not uh I'm not pushing an agenda here. I'm that's why I think we've been able to do this for over almost six years is that we're authentic in I couldn't keep this this is not like Steven Cob Bear acting like you know when he had his original show like acting like a right-wing pundit when he wasn't. This is us. Um, but this comes naturally to us because um, and I think people trust that and respect that because um, we're speaking from the heart from our own experiences. Um, and we're giving you our objective opinion and commentary based on years of legal experience. And, um, you know, we have a very good track record, I believe. And yet, when people leave our show, they leave it with hopefully new respect and new knowledge and new facts that they

1:23:29 can use to do what what we need them to do. It's not just about listening to us. It's about empowering our audience to go out into the marketplace of ideas, to go into the public square, whether that be social media around your kitchen table on, you know, or or or literally on the streets, and express yourself with knowledge and to call out what we've seen and we know is the corrupt um instincts of the Trump administration, its Department of Justice, its FBI, and things at the intersection of law and politics. We want knowledge is power.

1:24:02 And the only way that we're going to uh overcome the Trump administration and take back our country, you know, forget about making America great again. I'm I'm just we're all patriots here on the Midas Touch Network and legal AF. We all care deeply deeply about the United States. even if you're not from the United States or not in the United States at and and that the so and that this experiment of our constitutional republic and democracy that it survive and thrive and that it it it shake off the it shakes off the yoke of the Trump era. All right. And so in order to do that though it takes millions and millions and millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions of people joined together. We got a fair trunch of that here weekly, daily, hourly on the might of such network and illegal AF. between the two channels.

1:24:54 You got two YouTube channels, you got seven, eight million people. Then you add all the you got 10 10 20 people, 10 or 20 million people there and then the hundreds of millions that have to vote and not sit out this election the way unfortunately because maybe the candidates or the issues or whatever they sat out the last election, they sat on the sidelines of democracy. And as you've said and I've said, there's no fence sitting here. This is about peoplepowered movement joining together. Donald Trump recently, I almost gagged.

1:25:23 He recently referred to the silent majority having to be heard from. I agree. The silent majority though is it would appear to be completely against the criminality and lawlessness of the Trump administration and those around him. And and as you said, all the people around him that came into power with him have this streak of larseny and criminality and kleptocracy uh and depravity that uh maybe in their prior lives wasn't fully exhibited, but once they got here with him has now burst full-blown. Todd Blanch might not have been an a-hole, sorry, against democracy and and criminal justice uh and constitution when he was in private practice before or when he was at the US attorney's office as friends of mine have reported, but he is now. Howard Lutnik, I mean, you know, last I looked, he was a Democrat. Uh, and this thing that he's playing on television is just ruining our country and our society. It

1:26:21 just seems like Steven Miller, I think, has consistently always been Steven Miller. uh and uh one thing you can say about him is he's very consistent but the rest of them will be judged not just in ratings and views on Midas and and legal AF but by courts and oversight committee hearings and impeachment hearings and the Department of Justice when it's taken over by true patriots and Democrats and and like-minded people even Republicans. I I said I was at a I was um uh doing a keynote for the National Trial Lawyers in this last week and a whole bunch of lawyers, hundreds and hundreds of them in the room and somebody stood up and asked me a question who is a Republican and said, "What can Republicans do to reclaim the party?" And I said, "That's a very good point because we are one party short of a two-party system right now. We got a party. It's called the Democratic Party.

1:27:19 Then we've got this other thing that's like uh like a cult, like a populist cult that is not held together with much as we've seen because we're watching the cannibalization and the implosion of that party. But for a healthy democracy, we need a reformation, a remediation from within of the Republican party when they have to shake off the yoke of Donald Trump and his MAGA personality and cult of personality and reclaim a party because only then that's what I know that's what you want too, Ben. We need to have a healthy Republican party, a healthy de Democratic party, and then the two of them can have this have this fight uh you know, a fair fight for uh democracy and and the in the marketplace of ideas. We don't have that right now.

1:28:02 We got a criminal who's running the White House and a a party on the other side and Republicans who are moderates struggling to restrain him. And this is where we get together. Uh it's almost like a religion. This is where we get together on a weekly basis, hourly basis to renew ourselves for the fight ahead. And that's and that's what I think legal AF does.

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Ben Micellis (Host), Michael Popak (Host).

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The discussion centers on the release of Epstein-related documents by the Department of Justice, revealing significant information amid the acknowledgment of missing records tied to the Trump administration. The analysis also highlights ongoing legal challenges involving Trump's regime, potential violations of court orders by federal agencies, and the implications of recent actions against…

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