--- title: "Nat Berman: Your Business Is Winning, Are You Losing Yourself? | Unplugged Truth | Mick Unplugged transcript | Mick Unplugged Podcast | Reclip.Me" description: "Full transcript of \"Nat Berman: Your Business Is Winning,…\" from Mick Unplugged Podcast, November 10, 2026. 11 min, 2,103 words, timestamped. 5 notable quotes…" canonical: https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript --- Transcript # Nat Berman: Your Business Is Winning, Are You Losing Yourself? | Unplugged Truth | Mick Unplugged From [Mick Unplugged Podcast](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast) · [Episode page](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged) · [Watch on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0oQ23WJjmc) November 10, 2026 · 11 min · 2,103 words · 24 timestamped sections This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Nat Berman: Your Business Is Winning, Are You Losing Yourself? | Unplugged Truth | Mick Unplugged", an episode of Mick Unplugged Podcast published November 10, 2026 (11 min, about 2,103 words). It mentions 6 people, works and ideas, including Mick Hunt, Nat Berman, Meditation, Instagram, Dopamine. ## What this episode is about The main topic examines how a business can be thriving on the surface while its leader is suffering burnout or mental health challenges, highlighting the disconnect between outward success and the internal well-being of the person driving the enterprise. It emphasizes the need to recognize and address personal strain behind business performance. ## Key takeaways - External success can mask internal collapse; emotional health often fuels sustainable growth, not louder numbers. - The dopaminergic thrill of progress beats profit; fulfillment derives from meaningful work, not flashy metrics. - Health comes first: mental and physical wellness are the invisible boardroom partners behind every winning business. - Engagement over followers: genuine connection compounds long-term impact far more than vanity metrics. - Ambition without balance is a hollow victory; purpose and health keep the machine running and inspiring. ## Who speaks in this episode? - [Mick](https://reclip.me/speaker/mick) (Host) · 7 min speaking - [Matt](https://reclip.me/speaker/matt) (Guest) · 4 min speaking ## What is discussed, and when 1. [0:00](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=0) – 3:00: [Mick Hunt](https://reclip.me/person/mick-hunt), [Nat Berman](https://reclip.me/person/nat-berman), [Instagram](https://reclip.me/company/instagram-2), [Dopamine](https://reclip.me/concept/dopamine) 2. [3:00](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=180) – 6:00: [Mick Hunt](https://reclip.me/person/mick-hunt), [Nat Berman](https://reclip.me/person/nat-berman), [Meditation](https://reclip.me/concept/meditation) 3. [6:00](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=360) – 9:00: [Nat Berman](https://reclip.me/person/nat-berman) 4. [9:00](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=540) – 10:59: [Stand Up New York](https://reclip.me/location/stand-up-new-york) ## Notable quotes from "Nat Berman: Your Business Is Winning, Are You Losing Yourself? | Unplugged Truth | Mick Unplugged" - > Yeah, the timing on that is actually quite awesome, Mick, because I saw this commercial that's become very famous. it's like a European. *about [Nat Berman](https://reclip.me/person/nat-berman) · at [1:01](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=61)* - > But I felt like I was kind of growing and I was excited about something and I was on the upswing. There's that There's that natural dopamine you get from sort of taking on a project or seeing growth like Look, a year ago I was. *about [Dopamine](https://reclip.me/concept/dopamine) · at [2:36](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=156)* - > Every single day. Like those aren't just like fun things. They're kind of like my to's. If I'm not doing those, I'm not mentally okay. And guess what? Nothing's going to follow if those things aren't going well first. *about [Meditation](https://reclip.me/concept/meditation) · at [3:56](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=236)* - > Totally agree. Totally agree, man. And you said something in that no matter what the numbers say, right? It's still always about the person. And I correlate that into some. *about [Mick Hunt](https://reclip.me/person/mick-hunt) · at [5:04](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=304)* - > Like long time ago, this is, 25 years ago, I did stand-up comedy in New and I used to do the only clubs I did were they were like 100 or less, like Stand. *about [Stand Up New York](https://reclip.me/location/stand-up-new-york) · at [10:01](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=601)* ## Who and what is mentioned in this episode? ### People - [Mick Hunt](https://reclip.me/person/mick-hunt) — Person · Host · 2 mentions · first at [0:15](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=15) Podcast host leading the Unplugged Truth segment and probing the guest about how founders can be successful externally while struggling internally. - [Nat Berman](https://reclip.me/person/nat-berman) — Person · Guest / Main speaker · 3 mentions · first at [0:17](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=17) Guest expert discussing audience building, engagement, and the tension between business success and personal wellbeing. ### Companies & orgs - [Instagram](https://reclip.me/company/instagram-2) — Company · Referenced platform · 1 mention · first at [2:48](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=168) Used as an example of social media where follower counts can be misleading compared to engagement and audience quality. Of the things that I do. And again, picking up from you, right? Like when people look at I'll just say social media cuz it's the easiest thing to talk about. And they see people's numbers or followings. ### Concepts & topics - [Meditation](https://reclip.me/concept/meditation) — Concept · Core personal wellbeing practice · 1 mention · first at [3:50](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=230) Raised as one of the daily practices the guest uses to maintain mental health and prevent burnout despite business pressures. - [Dopamine](https://reclip.me/concept/dopamine) — Concept · Psychological explanation / motivator · 1 mention · first at [2:42](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=162) Mentioned to explain the pleasurable feeling associated with growth, recognition, and new projects versus pure financial gain. ### Places & events - [Stand Up New York](https://reclip.me/location/stand-up-new-york) — Place · Referenced venue / anecdotal setting · 1 mention · first at [10:13](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=613) Mentioned by the guest as one of the small comedy clubs where he performed early in his career, illustrating nervousness in small rooms. ## Full transcript with timestamps [0:02](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=2) No, wholeheartedly, wholeheartedly. And I appreciate you sharing that and breaking that down cuz I believe that the same way that you do as well, which leads me to my segment I like to call the Unplugged Truth, where I give a couple of truths and I'm honored cuz I get to do this with my guy Matt, right? Like this is this is who Matt is. So, we're going to go into a lot of philosophy and thought right here. [0:23](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=23) Sure. My first unplugged truth is this, Matt, and I and I I get this from you because you and I have the same feel. Here's the truth. A business can be winning while the person running it can be losing, meaning they could be burning out. They could be going through mental health challenges. Talk to us about the dynamic of that. Like people look on the outside of a business and they're like, oh, you know, it's growing leaps and bounds or I see them on social media and I see all the marketing and I see all the ads and I see all the things. But the person that's behind that, the real machine, could be losing he or herself. [1:01](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=61) Yeah, the timing on that is is actually quite awesome, Mick, because I I saw this commercial that's become very famous. Uh it's like a European commercial. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's the you see these two guys at like a football game, and I say football meaning European, you know, a football game, and you see one guy sitting there very just still every single time in the clip. You see the other guy cheering, going crazy, da da da da da da, you know, when the whole when the crowd stands, he stands. And you just keep seeing clip after clip after clip after clip. [1:36](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=96) Yeah. And one guy's excited and the other guy's just sitting there still. And at the very end it's a very powerful commercial because at the very end of the video, the guy who is cheering and screaming, he's not there. And the guy next to him puts like a scarf down on his seat, and it's it's evident that he's dead, right? And and it's that's the the point of the commercial. And the commercial doesn't have to do with business. It's obviously about suicide. And it's like you never know what's going on in someone's life. [2:07](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=127) But that just immediately came to mind when you just said that to me because it doesn't matter how it appears on the outside when certain things could be really really really struggling on the inside. And to take it, you know, to a more personal level, I know for one myself I've had some amazing years in my life financially that were some of the toughest emotional years far and away in my entire life. And I would give those back in a heartbeat for some of the years that weren't great financially, but I felt like I was kind of growing and I was excited about something and I was on the upswing. There's that There's that natural dopamine you get from sort of taking on a project or seeing growth like Look, a year ago I was nobody on Instagram. And here I am on your podcast today. And that's like it it's not as though I'm making tons of money during that year. I do fine. I do what I do. But the feeling of being excited and and [3:05](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=185) starting to get recognized a little bit, I think to me far exceeds the business. So [3:11](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=191) Yep. It's a very interesting sort of metaphor. Um \[clears throat\] and the numbers frankly no disrespect or language, they don't mean unless you are mentally and physically well. [3:27](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=207) Right. And it's very hard for younger people to realize that. I'm I'm 47 myself and every single time I take a step back and I'm like just listen to the stuff that you know you have to do every day, right? Which for me everyone else it's very different, but it's kind of like try to be as healthy as I can. Of course I'm going to, you know, eat cookies and ice cream once in a while, whatever. But um try to stay fit. Go to the gym. For me, meditation's a huge one. Um I play piano every single day. Like those aren't just like fun things. They're kind of like my to's. If I'm not doing those, I'm not mentally okay. And guess what? Nothing's going to follow if those things aren't going well first. [4:10](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=250) And the same thing happens in a business. It sounds a little hokey when you when when you talk about the philosophical side of things, but the older you get, the more you start to realize all that other stuff means nothing without your health, mental and physical, uh and and all the support around you. So, um plenty of great businesses out there, but man, I wouldn't want to be the CEO of some of them. You know what I mean? Like I I don't know I don't know what the hell billionaires go through, but that's just like a different animal to me. [4:41](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=281) And something that I frankly kind of made peace with where it's like I don't have to strive to to be a billionaire. I have to strive to to be something that I want, that I enjoy, that's enough. [4:51](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=291) Yep. And um we're not on this earth long enough for me personally to to be like, okay, you know, 19 hours out of the day I'm freaking out about my business. That is not a good business as far as I'm concerned. I don't care how much it makes. [5:04](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=304) Totally agree. Totally agree, man. And you said something in that that you know, no matter what the numbers say, right? It's still always about the person. And I correlate that into some of the things that I do. And again, picking up from you, right? Like when when people look at I'll just say social media cuz it's the easiest thing to talk about. And and they see people's numbers or followings. They're striving for those things. And I'm like, "Hey, it's not about numbers if you're trying to grow social media. It's all about engagement." Because to me, that's what life is about, right? Like life is about, "Hey, we're going to go somewhere." [5:43](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=343) And I'd rather engage with Matt, right? Than care about how many people are there. So much so that Now, I don't know if you know this about me, but like I speak all across the country, right? And I'll do a 5,000 person room. I'll do a 500 person room. The rooms that I love, Matt, are those small ones where it's like engagement, right? Like you give me a 50-person room, I am much more fulfilled as a human being because I know all 50 of us are going to sit down and talk and it's not about me being on stage, it's about us. [6:15](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=375) And so my unplugged truth is just that, bro. Like I think people need to focus more on engaging in interaction than the oh, I'm going to do 100 posts and think that this is going to change or flip the algorithm and then they get mad because nobody really knows the algorithm, but you shouldn't do things for the algorithm. Like this is why I love Nat, ladies and gentlemen. When Nat posts, he's talking to you. Right? Like Nat is talking to me every with every post. I'm like, damn, Nat. Like you didn't have to call me out like that, bro, but it's the truth. [6:49](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=409) Like to me, that's why you're successful because you care about the person on the other end of that phone or computer or tablet versus trying to say something to get big attention. [7:01](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=421) Yeah, \[snorts\] I I think and that also brings up something I learned very early on in audience building. Um and I still think it's important to this day, which is um always act as if you're talking to one person. And and you you you just said that, but take that into your own content creation and how you present your own ideas. Imagine you're talking to the one person who needs to hear it the most. That person might also be yourself, by the way, which is also fine. Um but if you do that and and you bring the true passion and feelings behind it, uh it will resonate with someone and you and you mentioned the audience and audience size and I've been dealing with audiences since 2007 both with websites and um my own personal profiles and I you could have a million followers and have a very empty following. And you can also make zero money. [8:03](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=483) You know, I've known people who have millions of followers who are like, how do I make revenue out of this?" And it's like, "Well, there's a very good possibility that you have the audience, but you don't have the right audience. And there's a huge difference between the two, and especially in this day and age with the amount of vanity going on out there, and oh, I have a million followers, and I have this, and I have that, and it's like, "I'll do anything to grow my audience." Yeah, but your audience is meaningless unless there's a reason behind it, right? And and either you have to figure out who that is, which I personally would rather start the other way around, which is know who that is initially, and build from there. [8:40](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=520) Um or you're just going to be kind of aimless for a while. P.S. Unfulfilled. Because as you just mentioned, it's very hard to have a room of 5,000 people who are all your people. And you're just like, "This is This is a fantastic room, and I love it." And man, if you can get that, then wonderful. But there's a very There's a much higher possibility and a higher chance um that you're going to have, you know, a a much more targeted, engaged group of 50, um because they were probably maybe handpicked in the first place, or they were pre-qualified, or whatever the situation is. [9:15](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=555) Um so, I'm with you on that. It's funny, I'm I'm usually less nervous around a very big group. If you give me a microphone and like this massive crowd behind it, [9:25](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=565) Mhm. I just like talk into it and don't really care. I don't Yeah, it's weird, and [9:31](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=571) 5,000 people, but it is very empty. And Yeah, it's it's like it doesn't I try to explain that to people. I'm like, "You don't understand." Like, the the larger the crowd, the the more empty it actually feels to me. It looks great when you walk out there, but then it's empty. Like, the moment [9:46](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=586) it's easier. Sometimes it's like easier, too. You know what I mean? It's just like, "All right, let me It's almost like you're a kid, and you're like reading a paper or something, and it and it's like it's like not that hard to do." And you know, by all means, it takes courage to get up there and speak in front of people and all that. I I get that, but like long time ago, this is this is, you know, 25 years ago, I I did stand-up comedy in New New and I used to do uh the only clubs I did were you know, they were like 100 or less, like Stand Up New York and um places like that, and I was so freaking nervous. Like I did fine, and I didn't look like I was nervous, which is part of the part of the skill, but man, like you do not feel a bad joke worse than when it's like a small room and it's quiet. You know, like it's it's brutal. [10:38](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=638) Um but it's also very A humbling and B you really learn from that, too, I think. Um so yeah, I'm always more nervous, but at the same time when you're in it and you're having fun with those few people, then then that's also something that's highly highly valuable and meaningful. [10:56](https://reclip.me/podcast/mick-unplugged-podcast/nat-berman-your-business-is-winning-are-you-losing-yourself-unplugged-truth-mick-unplugged/transcript?t=656) Yeah. ## Questions about this episode ### Who speaks in "Nat Berman: Your Business Is Winning, Are You Losing Yourself? | Unplugged Truth | Mick Unplugged"? Mick (Host), Matt (Guest). ### What is "Nat Berman: Your Business Is Winning, Are You Losing Yourself? | Unplugged Truth | Mick Unplugged" about? The main topic examines how a business can be thriving on the surface while its leader is suffering burnout or mental health challenges, highlighting the disconnect between outward success and the internal well-being of the person driving the enterprise. It emphasizes the need to recognize and address personal strain behind business performance. ### What is mentioned in this Mick Unplugged Podcast episode? 6 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Mick Hunt, Nat Berman, Meditation, Instagram, Dopamine, Stand Up New York. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it. ### How long is "Nat Berman: Your Business Is Winning, Are You Losing Yourself? | Unplugged Truth | Mick Unplugged"? 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