The Eff You Warriors, 2021 NFL Draft Mistakes, and Million Dollar Picks With Marcus Thompson

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 15:00: Eagles, Marcus Thompson, Warriors, Derek Thompson
2. 15:00 – 30:00: Warriors, Andrew Wiggins, Steph Curry, Draymond Green
3. 30:00 – 45:00: Warriors, Jonathan Kaminga, Andrew Wiggins, Jordan Pool
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00: Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Andrew Wiggins, Trevor Lawrence
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00: Mac Jones, Patriots, Bengals, Julio Jones
6. 1:15:00 – 1:30:00: Dolphins, Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Carolina
7. 1:30:00 – 1:45:00: Mac Jones, Justin Fields, Carolina, Miss Washington
8. 1:45:00 – 2:00:00: Chargers, Eagles, Packers, Raiders
9. 2:00:00 – 2:09:20: Steelers, Miss Washington, Carolina, Chargers

Notable quotes from "The Eff You Warriors, 2021 NFL Draft Mistakes, and Million Dollar Picks With Marcus Thompson"

• Talk to marcus thompson about the warriors they're back they are back it's happening we're gonna talk to danny kelly and peter schrager together about the 2021.

  about Warriors · at 1:29

• When i started watching a music documentary called history of the eagles part one and i watched it for whatever reason over and over again that summer i think i must have been really burned out from a bunch of different things but i.

  about Eagles · at 2:38

• The spacing but who knew it was like it was like a magic pill andrew wiggins is playing incredible yeah let's take the guys one at a time let's go with wiggins first wiggins is like 18 a game in 29 minutes he's had a.

  about Andrew Wiggins · at 17:29

• 15 picks when you think of the subplots that have emerged since then including my hero mac jones i'm getting texts guys this week and emails from people who are like how the […

  about Mac Jones · at 51:43

• It's to the point where i think teams are playing them we'll see what the raiders do this week because the raiders were so dumb against the chiefs last week who knows what who…

  about Raiders · at 1:12:15

• Tackle is i'm sorry you need a quarterback well let's we could have the same conversation for carolina number eight because they didn't have a quarterback either door a was just take justin fields or mac jones door b was take a cornerback.

  about Carolina · at 1:22:25

• Parson's at slater at 13 which was a great pick for the chargers that was one of the better value picks they're not trading out of that but they have minnesota at 14.

  about Chargers · at 1:34:29

• All right underdogs steelers are plus 225 against the chargers have jedi mind tricked everybody and i don't really understand it they've been bad for multiple weeks.

  about Steelers · at 1:57:00

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Mac Jones — Person · 16 mentions · first at 51:48
• Andrew Wiggins — Person · 10 mentions · first at 17:35
• Justin Fields — Person · 7 mentions · first at 1:20:27
  Franchise quarterback and they could have taken one danny right here they could have taken justin fields in this spot now they have a left tackle to block for a quarterback that they don't have.
• Jonathan Kaminga — Person · 6 mentions · first at 25:07
  Latest possible bloomer and then i gotta say man kaminga who they just kind of they brought out of the refrigerator and they're like hey have you tried this and we're like oh no i haven't tried the kaminga.
• Steph Curry — Person · 5 mentions · first at 15:52
  But after that display in brooklyn and the way steph curry took over barclay center it started to feel real i don't know how long i could hold off it's it's pretty legit well think about this they're two losses.
• Zach Wilson — Person · 5 mentions · first at 31:21
  Stuff i do think that helps but well it's a little like a quarterback right like the jets just throw zach wilson in and he gets annihilated it's like is jack wilson better off than he was five weeks ago no foreign.
• Marcus Thompson — Person · 4 mentions · first at 1:29
  So there you go that's the schedule coming up on this podcast we're gonna talk to marcus thompson about the warriors they're back they are back it's happening.
• Jordan Pool — Person · 4 mentions · first at 20:51
  They just don't it's steph and his drama that's that's their two creators so you can see jordan pool he's got some handle he's got a nice little shot it was d it was terrible…
• Trevor Lawrence — Person · 4 mentions · first at 52:18
  So i'm just gonna start and then i'll bring you in first pick trevor lawrence to the jags i think that happens again yeah i as good as max been i still think trevor lawrence has to go first i don't think we can hang anything that's happened.
• Cam Newton — Person · 3 mentions · first at 1:38:41
  They take the second best cornerback they do the darnold thing they don't get a quarterback now they're in the cam newton era again and the fact that they actually have a good team in a conference that only has four maybe five playoff teams.
• Derek Thompson — Person · 2 mentions · first at 0:02
  I'm derek thompson long time writer with the atlantic magazine on tech culture and politics there is a lot of noise out there and my goal is to cut through the headlines loud tweets and hot takes in.
• Kenny G — Person · 2 mentions · first at 7:46
  She listened and she's like you know what i really want to do is tell do a documentary about kenny g and she explained it and we were like kenny g okay that's unusual make the case and she sent us one of the.
• Jordan Poole — Person · 2 mentions · first at 26:24
  I mean the dude's 19 and this is november and he's contributing to nba games jordan poole this is his third year he's just starting to show it right it is jarring it is definitely jarring because you just watch his.
• Giannis — Person · 2 mentions · first at 42:48
  Has been you know the best players of this year have been giannis and jokic and curry and one other person who i'm blanking on there's been kd there's been a clear top four luca who didn't show up in shape.
• Christian McCaffrey — Person · 2 mentions · first at 1:23:21
  And good skill position players dj bar christian mccaffrey like you're ready get a quarterback in there and you're ready to go and it's just like it i don't know like i think the gym maybe it was the.
• Alanis Morissette — Person · 1 mention · first at 2:05
  Should be up by like early thursday night so before music box goes up first film is jagged it's about alanis morissette it's directed by allison clayman it is really good and we have five straight weeks of these so be ready.
• Allison Clayman — Person · 1 mention · first at 2:06
  Night so before music box goes up first film is jagged it's about alanis morissette it's directed by allison clayman it is really good and we have five straight weeks of these so be ready they're gonna premiere on thursdays 8.
• Draymond Green — Person · 1 mention · first at 28:34
  But because he's on the warriors because the guy's talking to him is draymond green and andre iguodala and steph curry like there's some credibility so you can listen like you put up on the kings or team like that like he's like i'm not.
• Franz Wagner — Person · 1 mention · first at 40:23
  Little bit of a wartrest i'd always heard that's why they picked kamen go over franz wagner that even though wagner probably made more sense for the team and he would have played right away kaminga was a.
• Ben Simmons — Person · 1 mention · first at 41:02
  Be true no you can just use them as fodder right like yo that was like the ben simmons jalen brown thing last week it was just it was like oh they offered no read the story they didn't actually offer jaylen brown that's just what it would.
• Jalen Brown — Person · 1 mention · first at 41:04
  No you can just use them as fodder right like yo that was like the ben simmons jalen brown thing last week it was just it was like oh they offered no read the story they didn't…
• Otto Porter — Person · 1 mention · first at 41:43
  About the damian lees like these other little guys that are valuable on the roster otto porter that other teams might want i don't think they'll do they won't do anything big because they actually have the acquisition coming they play like.
• LeBron — Person · 1 mention · first at 43:04
  Luca who didn't show up in shape but should be in that top five if he's healthy and in shape and then lebron we'll see what happens but you know curry his effect as a teammate…
• Sabonis — Person · 1 mention · first at 43:54
  That a team that doesn't really make sense together and it does seem like deternis or turner or sabonis would be a thing and i was thinking about sabonis on this golden state team how interesting that would be i also was.
• Miles Turner — Person · 1 mention · first at 44:36
  Explore that would be the one guy i like i want miles turner your turn would be another one right i like the three-point shooting ability i like the i like the rim protection and the three-point shooting ability and.
• Joe Lacob — Person · 1 mention · first at 47:12
  Just is an incredible trade to look back on and now it's like they've rebuilt this and now i can't imagine what joe lacob's like see a thousand lights a thousand points of…
• Tony Gonzalez — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:07:59
  Pulled his pants down and then pleasured himself about he said he's in between he said he's in between tony gonzalez and julio jones are a combination he's pretty good yeah i…
• Julio Jones — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:08:00
  Himself about he said he's in between he said he's in between tony gonzalez and julio jones are a combination he's pretty good yeah i belichick will like three times a year…
• Deshawn — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:55:36
  Oh chiefs game now granted if a couple played there was a world in which if deshawn just doesn't fumble they're at least scores with them but i didn't like the body language at all the defense they have two good pass rushers.
• Frank Reich — Person · 1 mention · first at 2:03:57
  Be a close game we are trusting josh allen and mcdermott against frank reich and most importantly carson wentz number one defense in the league the buffalo bills it doesn't matter in the crowd houston in miami.
• Ben Roethlisberger — Person · 1 mention
• Bill Belichick — Person · 1 mention
• Damian Lee — Person · 1 mention
• Gary Payton II — Person · 1 mention
• James Wiseman — Person · 1 mention
• Klay Thompson — Person · 1 mention
• Michael De Luca — Person · 1 mention
• Nikola Jokic — Person · 1 mention
• Stephen Curry — Person · 1 mention
• Trevor Siemian — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

• Plain English — Book · 2 mentions · first at 0:14
  There and my goal is to cut through the headlines loud tweets and hot takes in my new podcast plain english i'll talk to some of the smartest people i know to give you clear…

Companies & orgs

• Warriors — Company · 19 mentions · first at 1:33
• Steelers — Company · 12 mentions · first at 1:57:04
• Chargers — Company · 10 mentions · first at 1:34:33
• Eagles — Company · 8 mentions · first at 2:42
• Carolina — Company · 8 mentions · first at 1:22:28
• Miss Washington — Company · 8 mentions · first at 1:33:53
  Miami at 18 if they wanted to move back up washington at 19.
• Raiders — Company · 7 mentions · first at 1:12:18
• Bengals — Company · 7 mentions · first at 1:13:02
  Was rusty he didn't play for a year and now he's come out and he's fixed exactly what the bengals offense needed to fix which was give them a vertical explosive element down…
• Dolphins — Company · 7 mentions · first at 1:17:03
  Process wise it didn't make any sense to me at the time and now it even looks worse because the dolphins are bad and this is a this right now is the fifth overall pick right…
• Packers — Company · 6 mentions · first at 58:01
  Couple really nice throws i would add he had a joint practice with the packers this summer and the packers just ran the jets up and down but i spoke to sources in green bay…
• Patriots — Company · 6 mentions · first at 1:00:38
  Francisco is built to win now mack jones can win right now and as you're seeing with the patriots mack jones can do just that danny yeah the mac jones thing worked out…
• FanDuel — Company · 2 mentions · first at 0:31
  We're rolling the dice let's go zach last but not least underdog parlay of the week fanduel will be boosting one of these do we tell them to boost steelers washington or steelers bikes steelers washington is plus 674 steelers vikes is.
• Panthers — Company · 2 mentions · first at 1:24:43
  Draft unfortunately neither darnold or horn is going to play a role this season for the panthers well you also think as it turns out we'll we'll get to what the bears ended up…
• Cincinnati Bengals — Company · 1 mention
• Colts — Company · 1 mention
• Golden State Warriors — Company · 1 mention
• HBO — Company · 1 mention
• Lions — Company · 1 mention
• NFL — Company · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

0:02 i'm derek thompson long time writer with the atlantic magazine on tech culture and politics there is a lot of noise out there and my goal is to cut through the headlines loud tweets and hot takes in my new podcast plain english i'll talk to some of the smartest people i know to give you clear viewpoints and memorable takeaways plain english starts november 16th listen for free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts we're also brought to you by fanduel sportsbook as well as the ringer podcast network hope you're enjoying derek thompson's new podcast that launched this week plain english really smart stuff made my brain smarter food for the brain check it out uh check out the ringer gambling show as well where we're hitting all the football stuff as this has become a traumatic time for football gambling as we're going to cover later with peter schrager also the schedule's gonna be a little

0:58 different next week i'm gonna be putting up three podcasts next week but probably cramming them into sunday and tuesday afternoon and wednesday and then that's it thanksgiving is coming so we are going to save the rewatchables until um until later in the thanksgiving week and we're going to do it and you're going to be happy because it's a very famous movie we're doing so there you go that's the schedule uh coming up on this podcast we're gonna talk to marcus thompson about the warriors they're back they are back it's happening we're gonna talk to danny kelly and peter schrager together about the 2021 nfl draft which the top 15 picks have already turned into uh horror comedy and then uh schrager and i are gonna do million dollar picks and that's it so that's the podcast today before we do that the music box series coming back to hbo tonight we're posting this podcast it should be up by like early thursday

2:02 night so before music box goes up first film is jagged it's about alanis morissette it's directed by allison clayman it is uh really really good and we have five straight weeks of these so be ready they're gonna premiere on thursdays 8 p.m on hbo and then uh they're also going to be running concurrently on hbo max so if you miss it on hbo because you're watching football or whatever no problem just go to hbo max or go to hbo at the band wherever you want to find it it's going to be there this was a three and a half year odyssey it actually dates back to summer of 2014 when i started watching a music documentary called history of the eagles part one and i watched it for whatever reason over and over again that summer i think i i must have been really burned out from a bunch of different things but i was just i took a couple weeks basically off and uh it was just kicking back and trying to refuel and get my batteries

2:58 going again and i started watching it and it was unlike any music documentary i had ever seen usually their big sprawling beginning middle end they're kind of done a certain way and this one really tried to answer two questions which was uh were the eagles better or more famous than you realized they were and then why did they break up and it was really confined to that stuff i mean it told the whole story of the band but the last like hour or so really honed in on this whole thing and it was unlike any music documentary i had seen i loved it so much i wrote a 6 000 word piece for grantland about it that i still think is one of the better pieces i've written over the years i'm really proud of that one but that got me thinking why couldn't this work in some sort of framework as a bigger thing could that could this be replicable what was replicable about this and kind of filed it away and was thinking about it and

3:53 thinking about it and i'm friends with somebody at a universal music group named mark cimino who's a relatively powerful guy just for the record uh but we were talking about this stuff we talked about music documentaries in 2017 and he was said jokingly like you know everybody comes in here and pitches some version of a 30 for 30 idea and i i said that's funny i've been thinking about this for three years and i'd had a document with with a couple ideas and um just kind of sat on it didn't do anything and he said well i don't why don't we try to figure it out so that's what we did and that's why mark's one of the executive producers along with jody gerson also from uh umg because um i realized pretty quickly the music industry is a lot different than sports sports you're basically trying to get the rights from a league to make a documentary um or you're fair using it in some cases um or you're going

4:53 directly to the person you need for the film it's a lot more cut and dry music man you have you have artists you have managers you have labels you have the rights to the songs you have the publishing rights and also artists are are really careful about what they want to do and who they want to do with and i think that's why we've seen such varying degrees of quality with music documentaries over the years a lot of times the artists are involved with the film itself which you know they're they're gonna spin it a certain way even the eagles dock which i love those guys we're tangentially involved and probably really involved and um the reason you know that is because the one thing it never really goes into is the don henley glenn fry what was actually going on with these guys and if somebody was doing that completely independently i think they would have probably spent another five six minutes

5:45 was fry jealous of henley because then they became the lead center of the band what was going on here that's the real reason that band broke up i think was because of the alpha dog issue between those two guys they couldn't 100 go into it but that's the thing with music films if you're gonna get the participants um they're they're gonna have some sort of sway over it so we we knew that was an obstacle going in we had launched ranger films in 2017 and uh and sean fantasy and i we really started talking about stories we wanted to to tell stories that were still sitting there documentaries um that had already been done that kind of removed the idea we might have had off the table things like that we were looking at um different different artists like it's just everything really complicated and kind of made a master list of maybe 20 25 films that we liked and then uh and then in 2018 as we got a

6:43 little momentum we hired noah and started meeting with directors and um what we realized was sometimes the directors would have an idea for something that we hadn't thought of which was a lot very similar to what happened with 30 for 30. i remember there was a few times where we went to somebody and pitched them an idea and then they'd be like yeah that's a good idea but what about this barry levinson was probably the most famous example of that we went to him to talk ideas and he really wanted to do something about the baltimore colts and their marching band and we were like okay and you learn over the years if if somebody's really passionate about an idea and they're a good filmmaker you want to ride it with them so a good example for this series was we really wanted to work with a filmmaker named penny lane who's fantastic we had seen a documentary she did called hail satan and it was just so original

7:32 and so funny we just wanted to figure out how to get her in the series and brought her in talked to her pitched her an idea she listened and she's like you know what i really want to do is tell do a documentary about kenny g and she explained it and we were like kenny g okay that's unusual make the case and she sent us one of the best pitches i've ever gotten and made an incredible film and that's what we tried to do with this series and that was some of the dna of 30 for 30 back in the day was ultimately it's a filmmaker driven series you've got to support their vision and you've just got to ride with how they see something and we tried to do that with this we tried to tell six stories um much like 30 for 30 i think you're not going to tell every story you're not you're not checking every possible box every genre every artist all that stuff but if you tell six and then the next season you tell another six and

8:34 you know you look up one day and you've told 30 stories about music um you know you're headed in the right direction so i am just so excited for everybody to see these last five woodstock 99 already went up we did we actually put that one up in july um it's kind of a sneak preview of the series to lay the groundwork forward it was the right time it was the anniversary of of uh of woodstock i think it was the 22nd anniversary and um that one did really well and people loved it so really excited for everybody to see these next five and it's gonna be thursday nights 8 p.m and then hbo max at the same time it's a lannist this week dmx next week thanksgiving kenny g the week after then uh our film about robert stigwood and and how he basically created this whole saturday night fever ip laid the blueprint for everything that would happen over the next 45 years uh that's week four and then the fifth week

9:32 is juice world which just one an audience award at the afi film festival so we were pumped about that but um i love doing these i love working with the filmmakers i love getting the cuts um you know i used to be a writer way back in the day and i think there's so many things i didn't like about writing because it's so frustrating and i don't think there's anything worse than staring at an empty document screen trying to figure out if your fingers are going to work or not and eventually i think you just get destroyed mentally by it i know i did but uh you know one of my favorite things about writing was every once in a while come together and you know for what for whatever reason for two hours three hours maybe it was a great cup of coffee maybe you're just feeling good that day maybe you really felt like you had something to say um it just kind of all would fall into place for three hours

10:28 and what's weird about writing is you don't have anybody to talk about it with it's just this great thing that happens to you only and then that's it you can't describe it to somebody else i guess you could describe it to other writers but i i think anybody who writes kind of knows what i mean sometimes it just falls into place and it's great and i think one of the things i love about working on a documentary specifically because i feel like i do have something i had at this point i've done so many of them and been involved in the teamwork of of them to the to the degree that you kind of you know how to help something and especially if you have the right people making them you can you feel like you can be additive i think that the same kind of rush you get or at least that i got from writing there's this point in the documentary process between like the third cut and the fourth cut sometimes maybe it's

11:22 first cut to second cut maybe it's just the first cut when you had this idea that you bat it around the person goes off and makes makes the interviews and starts calling the footage together and at some point it has the shape of what eventually is going to become a film and one of the things you learn as you keep working on these is when you get when you see that shape when you see the first cut it's not going to be anywhere close to what that final thing is there's so many different things it's always too fat it's not color-coded correctly the sound isn't great there's a million things wrong with it but you see this like beautiful unpolished gem sometimes and and you can kind of see the path to where it's going to go and sometimes that happens with first cut sometimes it's like the third cut i remember the with juice which tommy oliver did for us we just got a ton of footage that we had

12:18 to go through and he he tried to shape it with all the footage for the first cut second cut and it didn't feel like a dock yet and then there was this moment when he sent another cut and it took shape and it's it's just such a rush i i can't describe it where you're like oh [ __ ] this this is happening this is gonna be a good one and you know i think obviously i have been writing for i don't know it's been three four years at this point i don't know if i'm gonna write again it i i might be done because i do feel like it's it's like golf if you're if you're not doing it all the time and if you're not working on it it's not worth doing um i don't think it's something you just parachute in and type some stuff like it's just not going to be at the level you're going to at least that's how i feel um but the documentary side of stuff like that that rush is still there and it's there every time and it's

13:11 something that you know really drives us we have a lot of projects coming up and it's a side of of the little company that we built that we sold to spotify and some of the stuff we're trying to do for them all over the map was storytelling with conversation pods with narrative pods everything else but like the docs to me are the most fun um because they're these moments when they just when when you can just see the path like the doors open and you're like all right we got here here we go and uh that's why these are so much fun for me to work on so anyway the last piece of it is when you send it off into the world and you hope people like it so that's happening tonight hbo check out jagged check out uh the next four we have coming as well thanks for the support spread the word for us we really care about this stuff and uh and that's that music box tonight 8 p.m hbo yeah i know we're going

14:09 against the pats we're going to talk about the pets in a second coming up marcus thompson talking warriors and then we'll do some football with danny kelly and peter schrager first pearl chip all right we are taping this it is a little past one o'clock pacific time on thursday the warriors are playing tonight they're playing at cleveland no evan mobley so there's a chance they could be 13-2 by the time you hear this podcast our guy marcus thompson is here from the athletic he has uh he just came back from a little mini road trip um watching them beat charlotte or they lost to charlotte then beat brooklyn they beat the hell out of brooklyn this warriors thing is real you could feel it brewing in the preseason you can feel it brewing opening night now this is the week everybody's like oh warriors contender bandwagon um but they're playing better than any team in the league do you are you a

15:19 believer i'm trying not to be but i don't have a choice i i've been in denial uh you know a lot of people are talking about it's just like 2015-16 and i'm like yo chill they won 24 in a row that year right they that was a 73-9 uh jaunt and they were coming off a title so you knew like what was happening this team of like relaxed it's more like 12 13 right where they were they were good he didn't know what to expect you kind of wanted to see how it played out but after that display in brooklyn and the way steph curry took over barclay center it started it started to feel real i i i don't know how long i could hold off uh it's it's pretty legit well think about this they're two losses first one they lose in ot to memphis easily could have won second one was sunday night they lose to charlotte kind of a dopey game it felt like they were gonna just flip the switch and win it they never did comes down to a jump ball down two

16:20 where the ref just throws it right to terry roger there it was the worst jump off throw i've seen in like five years and then they end up losing that the point is they haven't had a legitimate loss yet what's crazy is you know i i picked the under for them before the season then i changed my pick although i wasn't allowed for the actual rankings but i changed my pick right before the year because i liked everything i was reading i thought this would take a little time until clay came back for this to look the way it was going to look you figured they could replace some of his points with pool but it's been more than that like this team looks like a finished product and we haven't even seen the clay part yet i i'm stunned by that are you less surprised you're around the team a lot more often than that oh no i'm stunned like i this is too soon i mean all of it was like yo clay gets to this team and wiseman gets

17:10 to this team then you'll get to see like how good they can be but they're looking like one of the best teams in the league without those two they're they've added shooting right and we like you kind of know the warriors kind of need that like that's integral to how they operate it's a lot about freeing up stuff you got to have the spacing but who knew it was like it was like a magic pill uh andrew wiggins is playing incredible yeah let's take the guys one at a time let's go with wiggins first wiggins is like 18 a game in 29 minutes he's had a couple like best guy in the floor games and he's this seems like the this seems like the closest we've been to what we expected in 2014 when he was the first pick in the draft so like this is a two-way guy he's an incredible athlete and he could shoot and the only question was does he care it seems like the dna of the warriors i don't know if they're putting in an iv

18:06 and just injecting it in or what's going on but it seems like he cares this year and he started slow like early he was struggling he had a knee issue he had you know he dealt with the whole vaccination stuff that was the big drama i don't think he was comfortable doing that at all and it kind of threw him for a loop but the last few weeks like it started with actually minnesota maybe ducked on carl after his house like he had an extra level of that game and he said yo i'ma keep it and he had he's been aggressive but i think that's the [ __ ] like he has the space to kind of do his thing it's not it's not him and steph and a bunch of dudes who can't shoot it's hard to clog the paint on his team so he's like getting to the basket i've never seen i've never seen him this good on offense and defense at the same time he's been consistently good on defense and then offense kind of comes and goes now when

18:56 steph steps out of the game like wiggins is like let me take over and they've been begging for this they've been wanting this so badly like wiggits just take over just do you a step since you got six minutes to just be in your own universe and this is your team and he's kind of doing it now and it's a problem steph can steps at seven minutes in the third quarter against brooklyn seven minutes brooklyn had kd and hart on the court steph was sitting and they expanded the lead like that just doesn't happen in words land well i think people and i i'm guilty of this too wiggins is only 26. it feels like he's like 31. it feels like he's a finished product but you know it came in the league after one year in college and the minnesota stuff was weird the golden state stuff like right as he maybe is going to go up a level only plays 12 games uh for the warriors then we have last year which is kind of a weird

19:53 jam together schedule year this is like the best situation he's been i think what's interesting with him he's always scored like you go through his just look at his basketball reference he's never been lower than 16.9 points a game he had 23.6 in 2017 the point is like he can if he's gonna play 30 minutes he's gonna score 17-18 a game so you have that and then you have the pool piece now you've covered pool for his whole career he was a late first round pick kind of a flyer um i didn't think if this would turn into this where you're like holy [ __ ] when clay comes back who's losing minutes we can't take him from pool so i i did you see this coming i i saw that he had the talent right some of these guys i mean largely because of what the words needed they don't have another guy who can from the top of the key make something happen they just don't it's steph and his drama that's that's their two creators so you

20:51 can see jordan pool he's got some handle he's got a nice little shot it was d it was terrible at first his shot was terrible he's done something and the shot looks decent but now like there are some stretches where it's like yo they got another step i didn't see that at all now here goes some stretches where he's the complete opposite right he he's the type he'll chuck that 28-footer after he missed three in the road it's like wait a second jordan that's what you do after you made three in a row so he's got kind of mad he's he's got some j.r smith in him right but yeah he can he can create off the dribble he can get hot in the banner that steph and clay can just not as efficiently and it's a he's a weapon i i don't think anybody saw this out of him and crazy enough it happened after he went to the g league he got sent to the g league which was like uh this pick ain't working out and he comes back and he

21:40 looks like a different player he's been the salvation for the warriors kind of like draft process because they've had a lot of misses your pool has emerges like all right maybe the record isn't as bad as we thought well they have last year it was if steph didn't have a good game they lost this year this year steph's had games when he didn't even shoot that well and they were still winning by double digits because now they have three guys who can create something for themselves plus draymond who can create something for other people so you really have four either shooters creators playmakers and then a fifth when clay comes back and then all these people they added who make so much more sense for the team than last year did i the shocking one to me is a good dog because i thought he was finished last year he just looked like he was done that was it it was over he looked it didn't he yeah

22:34 he just looks rejuvenated uh he's such like steve kerr is always caught up the adult in the world and they he's still that dude he's still the guy who's like all right things are not going well summoned andre put the ball in his hands and he just calms everything down he and draymond they they're like they're like community college teachers who got some good students right like oh we got some proteges here right like we're excited about teaching jonathan cabega gary payton a second like kind of guys who are in their ilk right who think like them and want to smother and want to make plays on defense and they're just eating everything they say just eating it up there it's a bit of rejuvenation like you can see andre he's just so valuable steph loves having them draymond loves having him he's everybody loves andre around i do think that has helped him but i don't know why i don't know how he

23:28 got more spring i don't know how he looks faster like just watching him in miami it's like yeah he's 37 and he's such a physical freak it was jarring to watch him in miami it was like okay this dude who's always been incredible shape always been an incredible athlete you could start seeing that he's not right you can start seeing it's like oh wow andre finally started declining and then he comes here and he's like dunking and running a break like i don't it's it's incredible it's it's incredible uh it's credit usually yeah usually when they hit that point it never comes back especially with the with the swing guys like yeah like the sean marion types that relied on athleticism at least for a little what they also the hoops iq but and it there would be this little cliff that you saw and then that was it i think there was a moment in that charlotte game charlotte's down charlotte's up two

24:19 and they inbound it and rozier has the ball and it was iguodala and i think it was draymond and they and they're both coming at him and it was like watching wild kingdom in the 70s where it was like oh oh the hyena is trapped right oh my god the height and they just kind of pushed him toward half court and they were coming in and it was like wow i was honestly like watching the 2015 warriors again where it was like literally it was like yeah it was like flashback and that was it they tied him up got a jump ball but as he was dribbling up and he saw those guys you could see he was like oh [ __ ] what do i do and he kind of like dribbled sideways but you think like they had that plus payton um who has been a revelation this year as like the classic latest possible bloomer and then i gotta say man kaminga who they they just kind of they brought out of the refrigerator and they're like hey have you tried this and we're like

25:14 oh no i haven't tried the kaminga oh my god he's so fluid it's unbelievable uh joe laker the words owner you know how he gets right he's he's the most upbeat positive optimistic dude of all time he thinks everything is going to work he thinks it's always the best move ever so he was talking that coming stuff after the draft and we're like dude like he slipped to seven for a reason right and you hadn't seen much of him and now it's like are you kidding me you know what you know what he's gonna do he's going to extend steph's career yeah he's going to extend clay's career you could start now switching it a bit uh and now it's not steph carry everything right draymond carry everything now you got these two young bucks and now you just turn these hall of fame champions into more complementary pieces of support and cash he might extend the career he's 19.

26:11 like he he left africa at 13 to create his own life played in the g with the g-league ignite i mean the dude's 19 and this is november and he's contributing to nba games jordan poole this is his third year he's just starting to show it right it is it is jarring it is definitely jarring because you you just watch his skill set he doesn't even know how to play he doesn't even know where to go half the time but he knows how to jump quickly he doesn't foul he's smart with it with how he plays and he's they just don't worries don't have explosive athletes like this like you know it's passing and cutting and shooting they got dudes taken off from outside the key this is a while this is like a whole new iteration of warriors basketball well the question was his motor and just in general did he give a [ __ ] and that's why he falls to seven that's why i think orlando was afraid to take him i listen sometimes guys just go to

27:08 the right team i think if he goes to orlando or okc i'm not sure we're as excited about him i think when you get in this atmosphere and you got uncles you got draymond you got andre and steph you got three people who were like all right here's how you're professional so that's perfect they can ease them in they're not actually relying on him but when he comes in it's like this incredible you know weapon it you know not to turn this into a bummer but it reminded me a little of when the 86 out's the greatest team of all time when they drafted bias and it was like it was 48 hours of oh my god like we're just gonna be able to sprinkle this guy in he was the best college player last year and and on his own terms he's going to be able to come in not to compare compenga device but when you go to a really good team as a rookie like this and all you have to do is come in and just do the very basic things you're

28:02 good at it's pretty liberating i i just don't think that would have been a better team for him than this nah and you you you gotta factor into the difficulty of watching your other draft picks play 30 minutes uh that that's a tough thing to do yeah you know you think of weisman last year anthony edwards and lamelo is going off and he's like yo i want to go off too right and it kind of speeds you up but because he's on the warriors because the guy's talking to him is draymond green and andre iguodala and steph curry like there's some credibility so you can listen like you put up on the kings or team like that like he's like i'm not wait give me the ball right i got i'm about to go show i'm better than scottie barnes right i'm about to go show you i'm better than uh some of these guys who are ahead of me and you can tell he wants to show that like i'm better than jayla green but he's got players he's

28:58 got a system he's got a coach you were like yo be patient i promise you if you just do this you're going to be great and it's easier to buy in because of where he is if if he ends up at a situation where it's not andre it's not draymond it's not stiff you could totally see him be like man whatever i'm better than give me the rock yeah you know it he does a couple things that are pretty advanced first of all he's not playing too fast he's he's not like a frantic 19 year old athlete rookie who's just like like he he actually plays with the pace like he had to move one of the games i think it was charlotte when he came in where he was dra he was on the right side he dribbled left and he just did this natural spin move to his shooting hand and got a nice shot off and i was like jesus that was like a year four move and then he'll come over he'll set a peck for pick for steph and he just kind of instinctively knows

29:53 when to roll already which is like all right that can't be taught um so there's you know it's it's like having a fun toy and i think like when i watch this warriors team and you think how lucky they were with that russell trade which is just russell for wigan straight up is a bad trade for for minnesota um and to end up with wiseman and you get poole you get kaminga and then hopefully moody that's four and you almost have like when we were growing up like the those late 80s early 90s college teams where they would have the stacks seniors and juniors and then like you could have like here's grant hill he's a freshman he's the best freshman in the world we're gonna ease them in and it does kind of feel like the nba version of that right no question you know what's funny about kamega he was not this in summer league in the summer league he was like give me the ball i'll create from the perimeter i'm jacking up a bunch of

30:48 threes i'm taking people off the dribble and it was like how you gonna get this dude to buy in and already he is right already he's like all right i could play i could just do this thing i also think they did learn a lesson from wiseman last year like where it wasn't so simple for wise men i mean he had two practices and there was a starting center right yeah so it's like they learn like yo let's just put dudes in three give them three or four things to do and let them master that before you start adding stuff i do think that helps but well it's a little like a quarterback right like the jets just throw zach wilson in and he gets annihilated it's like is jack wilson better off than he was five weeks ago no foreign i don't think that helped him to get thrown into the fire like that no it was it was tough i mean he's he had a couple plays where he's bringing it up and it's a highlight where the

31:44 seven foot dude is dribbling up court and running a break but that stuff is like those are bad habits he took a lot of 22 footers you know they're trying to post them up he doesn't know how to post yet so they needed to run like a lot of pick-and-roll keep it simple for them and they're doing that with kamega and i bet you when wiseman gets back they're going to do the same thing because just do give don't give them order what you give kavani right you know catch the ball finish that's it set a screen make a pass kerr said last week he what didn't intend on playing kaminga and then there was some practice um like a week ago where he just destroyed the practice and they were like all right fine we'll give you 19 minutes practice yeah he's literally guarding stuff in practice stuff he's like yo he's blocking my shots he just kind of blew their mind and you know one of the one of the reasons i

32:37 didn't know they would be that good because they gave up so many defensive players they lost the guys in the and the central point to all of the warriors teams has been clay guards point guards and steph doesn't have to and now without step without clay they lost kelly ubre they lost kent baseboard those were the ones who did it so it's like who's gonna do it and now they got brought back andre who could do it camiga can do it really well wiggins can do it so now they've got all these options and then you have very mind playing like out of his mind but that that's the that's the interesting part that's what's what's good about kaminga he got to earn it like he's in practice blowing people's minds it's like yo let's get this dude a few minutes here and that's when you hear staff talking about a guy blocking his three-pointer like you're like what how do you block the quickest release of all time and kamega gets to it sometimes

33:29 yeah cause the best guys know you saw durant had a press conference after you played toronto like a week ago yeah and he went out of his way to talk about scottie barnes johnny barnes 55 seconds and he did the same when i would do the pods with him he went out of his way to talk about booker once when booker was like you know on lottery phoenix teams he's like that guy they can kind of see it and it really does seem like the warriors see something with kaminga like curry and draymond specifically and probably goodall too where it's like no no this guy is different this this this guy we need we so i wonder like if draymond takes you under his wing which he's clearly doing at least a little bit with kamingo that's mostly good what would be the downside of draymond having uncle draymond trying to shepherd you because draymond could be tough too he could be he could definitely be a demanding teammate you

34:18 gotta have you gotta have skin for it clay clay can tell you about that right clay's been the brunt of draymond right for years uh you know clay wasn't always the great defender as he but i've seen him yell at steph you just have to have a certain disposition because it can't wear on you like it can it can break you a bit uh and he's gotten better as he's gotten older you know he's got the greatest beard now he's got some wisdom about him so he'll follow some of that stuff up with like some praise and some art like he's jordan pooh is one of these guys who like will say something back to drab they they go at it they caught one of the episodes on the bench but jordan poole will go back at it with raymond and you know those you know those little biting little sarcastic replies jordan pool's probably a master at it right you could just see he'll say that one little reply with your kid you just want them

35:09 to listen and then they'll just that one little comment right back and it just drives you crazy poo is a master of that right he's going to say his piece and draymond they'll go at it but then he'll see draymond put his arm around him you'll see him praise him in the post game so you can see him get better at that but you definitely have to have a certain level of like all right i can take it uh i will be here deal with it because draymond he he will he's gonna let you hear it uh and there's been there's been some issues where guys who just like yo this dude is too much he hasn't lessened it some but now he's got three rings so what are what are what's going to say he's just going to suck it up especially when you see it working right when he tells you if you do x y and z this is going to happen and then to a 19 year old who's ever played you're like oh yo that worked perfectly now it kind of feeds

36:02 into it but yeah he's definitely softened a little bit like where he'll he'll he'll he'll like a guy he'll love on him a little bit to prepare for the harshness but also they're winning and draymond is a much much easier dude to deal with when they're winning but those two years when he was losing right it wasn't he wasn't the nice guy back there well i was i was gonna have you on when i felt convinced that this team had it and i thought when was that like what did you know here's what i knew end of the brooklyn game not the brooklyn game because you can go in and beat anybody their [ __ ] you came back in the brooklyn game they kept currying for like the extra extra two minutes so he could get the ninth three and i was like oh oh we're at this stage already the [ __ ] you warriors are back i i just thought they were good that now they now it's like and look this happens where the teams

36:59 they kind of remember oh i remember that game when you know during the season when we finished second in the lottery when that one team kind of poured it on they start filing that [ __ ] away and they're gonna go through i guarantee draymond and steph remember every moment from the last two years when somebody poured it on somebody said something it's uh so i do think this is what's gonna happen if this team stays healthy it's going to be the denzel man on fire settling scores portion of the season i felt it in that brooklyn game do you know why you're so right who's the first game before his play last year got utterly destroyed brooklyn got just completely blitzed it was brooklyn that's right yeah you know i thought about that i even i think i even tweeted it like yo the dash is empty the [ __ ] why steph in the game and every time he touched the ball the crowd stands up and they're waiting for stuff to shoot and he hits i

37:54 think he hit three more threes that quarter well he was just like yo i'm rubbing in it's not just steph and jay and egudawa people forget like kerr is a tough [ __ ] oh that's kind of the craziest of them all right yeah he and don't think he doesn't file all this stuff away either this is the guy the last dance captured perfectly he's got a fight with michael jordan like stood up to that dude over and over again and i think he took the last couple years hard too so he there i'm sure he followed a couple of those his way as well so i think at the next laker game now that you could feel a little bit on opening night but everyone's feeling each other out the next time they play the lakers with how messed up this lakers team is i that is going to be a go for the jugular game especially steph who uh needs to shake that staple center curse he can't shoot there you know he's got a if he's feeling at all he's gonna try to break

38:45 the record of staples like exercising the demons wait well now the crypto.com center and the other one that i noticed this and this is when it got planted in my head but i wasn't sure it was positive but trey young comes in and steph just lights up the hawks right he actually rolls them in a piece of paper and smokes them yeah and i was like oh is this that this is the next steph curry this guy by the way they their styles are nothing similar but he just like tortured them that night they poor herder i don't think he's been the same i think they had to sit in the hospital but that was so i do think the edge is back i missed i missed the [ __ ] warriors and did you see draymond uh talking about we better not win a title like i know you're right they definitely have some swagger and it wasn't there at the beginning but i think they see how good they could be and they still have clay thompson waiting in the wing who's

39:38 chomping at the bit so you know when jackie boo gets out there with his headband like you know he's got to go crazy so yeah there's a lot of perfect that's back the perfect guy to ease back in right he doesn't need the ball just standing up he's only additive he's shoot threes played defense so you need me to do more than i can do it i think here's the only thing other than health obviously health but these guys have been rested for two years i do think this is going to be a trade rumor team and how the organization manages that because we're going to hit mid-december teams are going to start getting unhappy guys are going to start being floated around and this is a team that has has built a little bit of a wartrest i i'd always heard that's why they picked kamen go over franz wagner um that even though wagner probably made more sense for the team and he would have played right away kaminga was a

40:30 better upside for a trade asset um once we get into mid late december guys start getting unhappy guys become available and the warriors are going to be in every trade rumor because they can they can use wiggins with wise men they could just put wiseman and kaminga and moody like they they have all these different ways to get anyone who has any kind of a salary and how they manage that with how well things are going i think is going to be hard yeah and they the the crazy part is you know as we know it doesn't even have to be true no you can just use them as fodder right like yo that was like the ben simmons jalen brown thing last week it was just it was like oh they offered no no read the story they didn't actually offer jaylen brown that's just what it would take yeah that's what they're gonna have to deal with even though there's no way still like it was allowed a trade of camino or wiseman like he's so in love

41:19 with them and he has all of now the reason like he has all the clout like if they got out if kamika got out here looked terrible all right but now he looks like he might be something so they it's going to be a thing right it's going to wiggins is playing himself into some form of value uh and don't forget about the damian lees like these other little guys that are valuable on the roster otto porter that other teams might want i don't think they'll do they won't do anything big because they actually have the acquisition coming they play like the words have a big acquisitions coming but you're right it's it's going to be the kind of self-fulfilling monster right the trade stuff the hype right the they're so popular it's nuts now it's getting that way so now you're gonna start seeing this is a it team again because they haven't been for a couple years and most of the players on this team don't know anything about how it

42:15 used to be but the amount of people in brooklyn who were at steph's shoot pregame were ups i was like this was like it used to be so you also got that element how does how does jordan pool handle that right jordan pool likes to he likes to go for the big splash how is he gonna handle with all that like some of that stuff they're gonna have to work out well you also we didn't mention the stuff piece of this i never gave up i always had him at at the top or near the top and this has been you know the best players of this year have been giannis and jokic and curry and one other person who i'm blanking on there's been kd there's been a a clear top four luca who didn't show up in shape but should be in that top five if he's healthy and in shape and then lebron we'll see what happens but you know curry his effect as a teammate and all the stuff and the spacing he can create when it's the right kind of

43:13 players around him that part uh that's been magnificent i gotta say like when i think about trades for them i i kind of wouldn't want to throw in wiggins in a trade unless i was getting in somebody awesome i'd like this candy does for them the problem is his value he's got 30 something million left so yeah but i mean i assume it would be his salary with something but yeah i think for what he brings for them i think it's a nice thing to have um there's one team that i think would be an interesting fit trade right look at me i'm going to now start trade rumors even though we go out here we go i have been watching the indiana team that a team that doesn't really make sense together and it does seem like deternis or turner or sabonis would be a thing and i was thinking about sabonis on this golden state team how interesting that would be i also was taking turner on this gold state team how interesting that would be and it's

44:09 like all right if wiseman's on the table but i'm getting one of those two guys back and i'm trying to win a title and i have a real path now within the west like we could be the best team in the west my instinct would be don't do anything but if there's a bonus play because of his hoops iq and just how i think he would fit in with that i think they would have to explore that that would be the one guy i like i like uh i want miles turner your turn would be another one right i like the three-point shooting ability i like the i like the rim protection and the three-point shooting ability and turner was a guy that you know was rumored to be in the mix around the draft point but indiana for some reason never decides to trade these guys right now yeah the the interesting part about this and like you're so right about wig is he's far more valuable on the roster than off of it yeah but one of the

45:04 reasons like when you talk about steph is the chemistry is back like there there's there's that element and you know this right like from from even back in the old days these teams carry with them their own aura and the warriors have that back you could see that while you watch brooklyn right they don't have any of it and they have that back and that's a credit to steph curry but it's also something that's so finicky do you bring in a guy like a mouse turner that bite right you know that that's the part that's so dicey with them they got wiggits to buy it they got all these youngsters who are like doing whatever they they're told because it's working it just it feels so risky to mess that up especially with some like mercurial figure who's gonna want to contract right right in many ways that's why wiggins was perfect because he had a contract nobody wanted so you don't have to worry about it like he's here he's

45:59 buying in now you start throwing all this other stuff and you know you know and steph they trust right so you figure you can put anybody on the team with stuff and somehow it works out but it would just be so risky i don't think they'll do anything because i think the west is set up for them yeah yeah i'm with you it's too risky they are becoming it's funny how popular they are and i think a lot of it has to do with you have eight nine years of a real history with this team but also like the fact that they stayed together which is so unusual for this day and age you know and every other team is thrown together and the guys change year after year and even milwaukee who had giannis and middleton as the two guys that were there the whole time it felt a little more yeah emotional that those guys were in milwaukee if if the dubs came back from the 2019 playoffs and some of the worst breaks i think any team has had on that

46:50 stage where you lose durant and clay yeah in a week it's just like still unbelievable to think about and then you think like they hit the depths the next year and it just seems like this is over this is done they they uh they look on the lottery they look out with that wiggins trade which just is an incredible trade to look back on and now it's like they've rebuilt this and now i can't imagine what joe lacob's like see a thousand lights a thousand points of light jacob again what did he say that time light years ahead night years ahead he's ludicrous speed there right like oh my god yeah and and remember like during the uh off season during the draft the push from inside was you know get a star you need some help like steph needs some help uh clay's out another year you know i was out two years get somebody gotta get bradley yeah bradley bill right and joe is like nah the words brass are like nah like

47:55 bob myers said consistently i just want to see the team with clay again let me see it with clay and joe fell in love with wise man he's in love with kamega because he doesn't want he doesn't want to be the lakers after kobe where he got this wilderness period he wants to be able to keep going and at least be relevant so he stuck to his guns even against his superstars right so now that he's looking very right right now it looks like yo you probably don't you don't need bradley bill and kabiga is the future and these dudes who might extend your career he's looking right you got it but joel lagoon is as high as it gets right now because he did from the draft to what they did in the offseason the moves they made like even going back to jordan pool is now a great draft pick like they're feeling light years again and it's hard to it's hard to go against it because we've been like yo where's your

48:50 draft picks your draft isn't working lately you know and you know remember before they got wiggins they actually got d'angelo russell which didn't work out at all right right and they weren't able they last year they swung and missed on guys like batum and sergey bakker and players were telling the words no like yeah kind of cool but i'm gonna go to the clippers i'm gonna go here and the worries weren't the it team so now that they're back joe jacob is like he's like border bird right remember when coming to america when he gave the cash he was like bored of her we're back like that's that's joe laga right now he's feeling it and he should be he well it helps when you have curry replaced duncan as like the most important guy to build your franchise around the the the teammate the he's never gonna leave and from a personality standpoint you could just build around him you know i was thinking

49:43 when near the end of bird mchale parish they tried to reboot right and they they had reggie lewis in they lucked out that pick then they got brian shaw d brown and ed pinkney was there and it was like this weird old young thing but the problem was bird and mchale were too banged up at that point but on paper it was it was a little like that where it was like it was a new era using the old guys from the old era with these new guys and it had a moment that bird's back gave out the difference is curry's arguably as good as he's ever looked in some of these games you know i don't know if he's you know you know the 2016 season is pretty outrageous like some of the percentage stuff he did but it was nuts wasn't it but he could still get there he could still get there and the better this team is the better it's going to be for him all right marcus thompson protect protect your corner there's gonna be a lot of national media people

50:35 coming in trying to grab where's people this is you're there no they gotta go through marcus i've been doing this for years i've been defending this turf for a long time like so i'm ready for war yeah not as rare as i used to be coming come get me national media i'm ready go bring it on come see me about this all right i'm definitely coming to a game too so i'll i'll see you in uh i have uh for a metallica concert not for a warriors game i'm coming for warriors game i'm not i'm not sitting this out the buzz is back i thought you were boycott last time i saw you was an oracle i thought you were like once oracle's done we're not coming back i did feel that way but now i've changed my mind as always all right good to see you marcus all right thanks man all right danny kelly is here from the ringer peter schrager is here from good morning football and fox sports we're gonna break down the nfl draft from 2021

51:34 which was like eight seven months ago six months ago it feels like it was 10 years ago it is now incredible to look at the top 15 picks when you think of the subplots that have emerged since then including my hero mac jones i'm getting texts guys this week and emails from people who are like how the [ __ ] did you guys figure out how to clone tom brady and i'm like i don't know look belichick had to take it up or not she was the greatest football coach of all time um but mac jones falls to 15 in this draft what i want to do is i wanted to go through from pick one through pic 15 with you guys and we could talk about some of the stuff that happened um so i'm just gonna start and then i'll bring you in first pick trevor lawrence to the jags i think that happens again yeah i i as good as max been i still think trevor lawrence has to go first i don't think we can hang anything that's happened

52:28 this season on him we'll see we'll see if we'll see if you know peyton manning was great his first year but we'll see i i haven't seen anything that made me scared off that that was the wrong pick did danny have you no i mean i think you it's so hard to kind of uh evaluate what he's been doing his number one receiver is jamal agnew like the whole team is kind of a mess right now um he's i actually saw this i think from pff he's like fourth in big time throws this season he's definitely making some really nice throws um he's he's pushing it i think he's being a little too aggressive at times and and creating some turnovers because of that um but it like i said it's just kind of hard because this offense is so bad the the support system is so bad obviously we know or it seems as though the coaching situation is a mess and so it's just tough i think he's gonna be fine and i agree with you i think that

53:17 he would be the number one pick if it happened again now i like he's just got the skill set the pedigree all that stuff it would happen again i think i i'm gonna say they wouldn't have gotten urban i don't think without trevor lawrence being the number one pick so i feel like that's kind of it and i think urban say what you want they're playing hard for them right now and um you know trent balkey's the general manager and he was with san francisco for years and he's not necessarily the best in media opportunities he's not like that guy can scout players and the hope is hey urban's got a plan we've got our guy once once you have a quarterback you're good for for something like and they feel very confident knowing some folks in that organization that coaching quarterback they like and they'll build around it so i think that's the number one pick and i don't think they have any regrets we had bledsoe in 93

54:05 and i think we went 1-10 the first 11 games with him and he's getting the [ __ ] kicked out of him and it it it was a little similar to the lawrence thing where nobody felt like it was the wrong pick but it also wasn't going great and then down the stretch i think he won his last four and by the end of the season everybody was like out of their mind about the bledsoe era i wouldn't be shocked if something similar to that happened lawrence the only problem is i don't know if he has the skill position guys anyway we're not writing him off but the jets at number two taking zach wilson there's two problems with this pick one they might have ended up with the wrong guy two just what miami got at number three where miami ends up trading the number three pick for number 12 in 2021 and for a first and third round pick in 2023 when you think like that that's what the jets could have had they could have

54:57 moved back gotten all this all these picks and still potentially gotten field or mac fields or mac jones that's pretty tough uh shrigs what do you say to jets fans as they kind of reconcile themselves with the fact that this is how it ended up it's it's it's been a disaster on on every level and they didn't bring in a veteran quarterback to groom him like kyler now has colt mccoy to groom him and trevor lawrence has veteran quarterbacks in that bit like mike white and and james morgan were the quarterbacks in camp they didn't have flacco until they traded for him and the offensive line is atrocious the defense right now has given up 175 points the last four weeks it's the second worst of any and they have a defensive head coach yeah so you're literally saying hey you're gonna start week one behind a porous offensive line with no real skill position players and then also have a defensive head coach it was like

55:55 laying him out there just get the [ __ ] kicked out of him and i know the the arguments are well look at peyton manning's first year look at aikman's first year those guys struggled and they used that for the following year but like i i don't i don't know what the plan was for this year for zach wilson and you know we talk about garoppolo being there with san francisco and whether like wouldn't have a garoppolo type quarterback been perfect for the jets this year like all right you're here for now and we're not sure if that's the long term but you're gonna take the lumps this year behind that offensive line you could figure it out and then zach will learn he's still really young but i mean honestly they're going to flacco right now they went to mike white i don't know if zack wilson was 100 healthy if they'd have him in the lineup right now they cannot he has he has regressed this season and they cannot

56:39 get it going when he's in the lineup i don't know how that's good for the young man and i don't know how that's good for the organization so i'm gonna trash to pick but not necessarily zach wilson's fault i'm gonna trash the the way they built this thing for him in year one what do you think danny yeah i kind of agree with you i think i mean they have a veteran quarterback now but like joe flacco is probably like the last guy i would pick to like be a mentor for the younger for the younger generation kind of guy um i yeah i think it's just like it's pretty much exactly in line with what we were talking about with the jags it's just like so hard to evaluate in a vacuum what he's done because their support system is just so terrible their skill players are still coming along they're still rotating all these guys they've got a lot of young players on offense their defense is terrible um i think the the difference between

57:21 lawrence and wilson picks is lawrence was you know a multi-year starter and had had been in some big games had played some very high level competition he'd done really well all along i mean obviously he had a couple bad games in college against in like the you know big time games but he'd been there he'd seen those games where zach wilson's coming from byu he hadn't had those types of um that type of experience and i think he's like he's trying to play catch up a lot more than lawrence i would say just based on the speed of the game and you know trying to learn how to be a pro i still i'm bullish like he zack wilson's made he's flashed too just like lawrence couple really nice throws i would add he uh he had a joint practice with the packers this summer and the packers just ran the jets up and down but i spoke to sources in green bay they're like jets are going to suck this year but zack wilson is going to be

58:10 awesome like that guy throws things right it's almost aaron rodgers so the hope was there but that was when he was a raw product and i don't know what this year psychologically and physically will do to him because he threw four picks just about every star he's had and it's it's only gone backwards yikes all right well number three miami's sitting there right instinct to trade out i don't know if it was the right instinct to say two is our guy but it was the right instinct to trade out for what they got number 12 and a first and third in 2023 ridiculous haul san fran moves up and the buzzes they're moving up to take mac jones a couple weeks pass now it's like uh trey lance might be in this shrinks what would it what were you hearing at the time and how is it being spun now okay so and i've been able to unpack it a bunch since um i was solely in the camp and i was on national television every day saying

59:04 you know i think mac is the guy from what i'm hearing but there's a chance it's trey lands in the final week they went up to trey lance's pro day they had a second pro day up in north dakota and i think they were just wowed and like on the flight home shanahan and lynch were like we could do a lot of things here their dream situation is what we had monday night running the ball 40 times a game running it down your throat and then also having a mobile quarterback that you can add into that offense if kyle shanahan could draw it up i know kyle he would rather throw the ball 40 uh 10 times and run it 40 times than have to do one of these shootouts so the thought was hey mack is great but we're gonna move up to three and we can make the decision later when they made that trade which was in early march if i'm not mistaken it wasn't for mac jones it was let's trade up there and then we can pick

59:50 between fields jones or lance or even wilson if he slips um i think the end of the day they went with lance and they went with the mobility and the upside and the ability to to play it out but yes there was a lot of love for mac jones in that building i can assure you that that was not just media running right away with a narrative and if you remember bill and danny like and i was one of the guys and schefter was one of the guys that were like mac jones was going to go to sampson people were outraged they were like no that doesn't make sense fields and like no mac jones was strongly in the conversation and i think a lot of that comes from what we heard within that san francisco organization and obviously schefter has connection to the shanahan's for years but also based on what the scouts were telling us that like you know san francisco is built to win now mack jones can win right now and as you're seeing

1:00:38 with the patriots mack jones can do just that danny yeah the mac jones thing worked out perfectly for him and we knew that in the moment this is the right team for him right coaching staff they will bring him along perfectly but a lot of people also thought the niners were the right situation based on the kind of quarterbacks he's basically on paper a higher ceiling garoppolo for what they like to do why do you think they decided that that wasn't the right fit for him do you think they just underevaluated mack or what do you think was going on they got bullied by the media no i don't know it's uh it's so it's fascinating i think media or twitter yeah maybe twitter there was a lot of people reporting that it was mac like that was you know a well-known thing that that was going to be the pick and then it sounds like they maybe changed their mind or just decided to go the other direction i

1:01:26 think what peter was saying is perfect it's like they got caught by the siren song of like the versatility the ability to like change the change the math of the defense with with lance as a runner like you like imagine the upside the ceiling and i think they probably bought into that because i was saying that too honestly yeah just the idea that they could design their run game around a guy who completely changes his math he's one of the better runners at quarterback position in the draft um you know all that stuff like just just the ceiling is so much more enticing but then i think i was guilty of this i'm guessing like they were too like you lose track of just like moving the football moving the chains having that experience exactly what i said with trevor lawrence where mac has been in big games you know um and he's seen it and he's polished and all that stuff and so i think obviously hindsight's 20

1:02:16 20 but like i think that was kind of like got caught by that siren song of just like the upside and um that's kind of when what happened i'm not writing off lance yet but i was gonna say i don't think it's the wrong pick yeah i don't i i think lance once you know and i wrote this in my column for fox today today and i'm getting a lot of pushback from niners and it's like whoa whoa slow down there i'm not sure lance is the quarterback next year they still have jimmy g under contract wow yeah and and if it takes two years i think they're willing to to take two years you look at aaron rodgers it took him three years they have the luxury of going with garoppolo but eventually kyle shanahan's dream offense and yes he'll have another year whether they don't win another game all season he'll have he's got that leeway there trust me um is to see a mobile quarterback under center and doing things that they can do with that run

1:03:01 game i i think lance might still be the right pick it's just he's so young so unpolished and played 17 games in college yeah well and that also could be why he's the wrong pick because he played 17 games from college and there's the upside down side thing where i think with mack dana you you liked mac you didn't you didn't love him in the draft i think you you felt like there were certain things you didn't love has he surprised you with what especially like that game he had against the browns which was just ridiculous yeah is he just did he have a higher ceiling than you expected um yeah i think so i mean i think i certainly underestimated him a little bit i i look back on my rate rankings i had him at 20 which i think was maybe a little bit higher than the consensus but not high enough clearly i think um and i think it was just it was exactly what we were just talking about like the upside like he doesn't have the same

1:03:52 athletic profile or big arm as some of these other quarterbacks and so you get caught up in that stuff but he's very polished and i think the system that he's landed in is perfect for it i think we talked about that right after the draft like this is great for him because he's got that offensive line he's got that run game the great coaching the scheme that they've designed around him seems like really smart um you know it's basically just like making things easier on him but he is capable of navigating in the pocket and like making that stick they're like that touchdown to kendrick bourne on sunday was just such a great how about the hunter henry pass on the sideline pass when he had two guys on him yeah floated over yeah i think look this is why the draft is so hard and this is why there will never be an exact way to figure it out i think it goes for basketball but especially football and

1:04:38 especially quarterbacks there's things that he was doing this year that i don't know how you evaluate like for instance he's so [ __ ] tough he's taken at least 12 hits that were just like monster hits like that that hit he took from randy gregory in the dallas game like that literally could have ended his season he took another one last week in the first quarter against the browns but i think he's incredibly tough so there's one thing he he has a calmness to him that you can see in college but you don't know if it's going to translate to the pros there's just no way to know and then he's an incredible teammate which i think you could have figured out if you did enough recon if you're an nfl team you're doing your recon with alabama now you don't know what the coaches are telling you you don't know if you can 100 believe it but he went into the pats and he was immediately beloved and popular from from day one he

1:05:33 he was hanging out with the defense as much as the offense he's hanging out with the offensive line and he's just like a teammate and i think for for the belichick pat's culture he's honestly the perfect pick like he and i don't know what his ceiling is but he's perfect for them the uh okay so it's interesting because he's like a tennis player growing up and i i got i got you know everyone's like enough with the tennis cause all during the pre-draft process i'm like this isn't uh the footwork it's not it's not sneaky athletic but there's definitely athleticism here yeah it comes from a tennis family and was like his dad was like a world champion tennis player all this stuff but here's this kid country club looking kid was like a little like a kid model like has this blonde hair he doesn't have a great body you see the pictures and you're like okay this kid i'm gonna hate this kid and yet we had

1:06:19 jaylen waddle on our show pre pre-draft and we're like tua or mac jones and you would think the easy thing is to say oh i love both those guys and he's like no mac's my guy like what like but like all these players and i don't it's not a it's not a hey you know don't judge a book by its cover but these guys who have played with mac jones both as an alabama player but now as a patriots player guys that are on the defensive side of all they're like no mack is a dog we love this guy so i think there's this like you you see this player and this howdy doody look and the walk at the draft where he comes up in the ill-footing suit or whatever and you're like oh this guy's gonna be like some richie cunningham but he isn't he's a dog and he takes hits and he's tough and he wins games well it's very similar i was watching i i broke down i watched man in the arena last night i watched the first time

1:07:07 i gotta say it was really good i was shocked i really enjoyed it uh and you know they they really dive into some of the brady stuff and you watch brady even scrambling that season that first season he was a starter and he's so much more athletic and coordinated now obviously he's worked on it for 20 years but um it's really that 2001 brady really reminded me of mac in a lot of ways like a little bit clumsy weirdly good footwork incredibly tough good teammate all that stuff and it was hard not to see the parallels especially with the way that season progressed with how this season could hopefully progress all right so atlanta's at four and they take pits yeah who's awesome belichick i don't know if you noticed but oh my god yeah belichick pulled his pants down and then pleasured himself about he said he's in between he said he's in between tony gonzalez and julio jones are a combination he's

1:08:02 pretty good yeah i belichick will like three times a year he'll just do a monologue about a guy on the other team where he's just got i don't know whether he's trying to like season them so they won't try as hard during the game or whatever but anyway he did it for bits i listen it's hard for me to kill the pitch pick even now because he's amazing i think he he's clearly if he stays healthy going to be one of the most productive tight ends of all time he is on that gonzalez kelsey gronk he's just gonna be one of those guys if he doesn't get hurt and they already have a quarterback who who looked terrible last week but for the most part whatever it's like yeah you could take fields there does fields have more value than pits maybe maybe i don't know i it's it's hard i can't kill him on it i would have taken fields there if i you know in the moment and i think it again now i think fields just feels like

1:08:58 the right pick but i don't think you can kill them on it right i like to pick still i think so i it is a question of whether they take the quarterback and sort of reset and start over at that position or maybe they believe that matt ryan is the guy for multiple years here like i think we can get a little bit ahead of ourselves and say oh this quarterback is too old now we gotta move on we gotta you know pass the torch or whatever um when we've seen how long brady's playing i don't know how long matt ryan's gonna play but he's still passing at a pretty you know quality rate like he still looks good to me the the support system around him isn't great honestly and um with ridley out like his his pass catching weapons are have been whittled down to like pits in court out patterson so how about gage who everybody picked up in their fantasy last week and he had like zero catches yeah they has no receivers and so i i i

1:09:47 still think i'm kind of now like again as high size 2020 but now i'm feeling like they feel confident they can keep building around matt ryan for a few more years and maybe you know do that instead of completely resetting and putting all your chips into the justin field thing if it doesn't work out then the team has set back five years or four years or whatever so i think that's what they're doing and i don't actually hate the pig and pitts has been honestly better than advertised like he's what he's been doing is incredible when you add in the context that rookie titans hardly ever do anything like he's running routes against cornerbacks on the outside and beating them and so like what he's doing and he's like 20. he's like he just turned 21.

1:10:25 so i think he's gonna be really really good in the league for a long time and anytime you can take a player of that caliber that blue chip type player where he's going to be a foundation piece for you i think that you can't really knock him for that yeah a couple notes on it i remember talking to arthur smith before the draft at the time it was off the record and he was like what are you hearing from san francisco what are you hearing from you know who's at five what they're gonna be doing just getting information and i'm usually kind of close to the vest with it but i'm like i think the top three picks are quarterback he's like are you sure san francisco is not going pit and i'm like really i'm like they already have kittle and they just traded up two first-round picks he's like pits is that good dude like pits is that good where i could see them trading up and kyle just being like give me the

1:11:06 best player that i've seen in the draft from a skill position in years and they were happy that he fell to four um you know mike ditka has the record or something for most receiving yards by a rookie tight end it's about a thousand i think pitts is on pace to smash it already and you don't look at it and say oh kyle pitts is tearing up the league but for what all the things danny said for being so young and for what they've had to deal with with ridley going uh with really being out of the lineup and kind of going through what he's going through and then pitts being a number one at age 20.

1:11:34 i think they're happy with what they're getting it's i'm okay with it i think fields would have been really fun for there but then you have to figure out what to do with matt ryan they had some salary cap stuff with matt ryan that would have been complicated so i think it's all right i'm also okay with jamar chase at number five for cincy i think the big question in the moment was like you guys can't block why don't you take a left tackle there's two premium left tackles i kind of thought they should have taken sewell i don't feel like there's a trade back possibility for them because really if you're gonna trade back you'd have to go all the way back to 12 and if you go back to 12 you might not get a receiver who they clearly wanted and then chase has been awesome and now it's to the point where i think teams are playing them we'll see what the raiders do this week because the raiders were so dumb against the

1:12:21 chiefs last week who knows what who knows what they're capable of but it seems like teams are just like all right we're not gonna let chase beat us and the other guys can knock knock themselves out but danny you good with the chase pick yeah i mean pitts and chase were billed as two generational prospects and honestly both of them i think have lived up to that building chase looks like a top five receiver already like full stop um he has been incredible he's on on pace to like set all kinds of rookie records he like it's so funny especially compared to like the narratives in the preseason where he like had a few drops and preseason and all that stuff like he he was rusty he didn't play for a year and now he's come out um and he's fixed fixed exactly what the bengals offense needed to fix which was give them a vertical explosive element down the field i think i saw like after like five games they already eclipsed the number

1:13:12 of like 20 plus yard passes that they'd had the year before he had a bunch of touchdowns on those plays it's exactly what they're doing at lsu so they have that built-in chemistry um it's hard to knock this pick i mean i don't think honestly picking sewell there because sewell's been good too it wouldn't have been a bad pick for them but this this hasn't been the situation where it's either or like i think both picks would have been really good for their offense and i think chase is really working out for him and um i have no problem with this at all shrigs great [ __ ] shrinks jake chase or jefferson you could have one of them for the next 12 years who do you want i would go chase i would go chase wow i feel like jefferson's really good really reliable he's gonna be a number one receiver for 10 years but i think chase could be like you know top three receiver in the league he's shown that many flashes and

1:13:56 i know i know that uh you know it came down to offensive tackle or chase and that offensive tackle could have been slater it could have been sewell in that final week they're like what are we doing we've got a young offensive coach we've got a young quarterback let's give him the guy that he knows from lsu so there's no regrets on their end and i couldn't never knock that i think he's been really he look he was the afc and the i mean he was the nfl's offensive rookie of the month the first month of the season and he's been only better since then i love jefferson too i think i think both of those guys i think there is a world in which those are just the best two receivers in the league for like five years down the road all right we were relatively tame for those first five picks when we come back from the break all hell is about to break loose with the 2021 draft and i don't think i fully

1:14:40 realized how idiotic things got until i went back into the research take a break come back all right coming back number six here's where we get our wonk on with the 2021 draft philly says we want to move we we we want to get out of this pick we're going to move back we have the sixth pick miami goes well we'd love to move up i don't know why we want to move up we just made an incredible trade we're going to move up we're going to give you number 12 number 123 and a 2022 first round pick you give us six and number 156 we got a deal miami moves up miami has all these other picks and i guys i don't know why football doesn't work this way in the nba we'd be like all right here's the trade we're gonna keep the better pick in 2022. so we have the niners pick we have the mind pick you'll get the lesser pick miami's like here's our pick we're gonna be we're winning 11 games this year 110 last year here we go take it and now

1:15:51 that could be a top five pick hey all right first question danny trading up to six to take jaylen waddle does that make did that make sense to you at the time and no how bad does it look now no it didn't make sense to me i think i even wrote that in my like draft grades article i was just like this process i don't i don't love the process especially for as good and dynamic as waddle is like if you're going to trade up for a trade a future first to get a receiver in the first round it better be calvin johnson you know what i mean it has to be like a big alpha guy who can dominate a game at all three levels in the red so if it was pits he would have been good with it i would have been more okay with it for sure yeah um but trading up and i know and again i love waddle i'm not this isn't necessarily a knock on waddle but it's like the style of receiver that he is um and especially like we see it's

1:16:40 improved over the last few games but like his a dies the average japan target was extremely low it's basically just like these screens and things like that it's like this this guy's not changing your offense in the same way a guy like jamar chase has for the bengals i don't know if that's necessarily how they're going to use them going forward forever or whatever but i think process wise it didn't make any sense to me at the time and now it even looks worse because the dolphins are bad and this is a this right now is the fifth overall pick right and they're playing the jets this week so that could get a little better shriggs why don't why don't we use protections in the nfl like we do with the nba why don't we do top 10 protected picks or rolls over to the next year if it falls in the top 10 what why does the nfl not know about this stuff it might not be allowed but we have this weird wonky one with the uh with the

1:17:26 colts now where whence if he plays 75 of the snaps yeah that colts pick you know goes to the eagles there's some stuff like that but you're right if you have multiple picks why not say hey you get the lesser of our two picks i i'll go back to this one though um the dolphins envision themselves to be a couple players away they thought they were going to be competitive this year and i could tell you this on record now like they had waddle raked above chase on their wide receivers board wow they saw waddle as their number one guy and one of the reasons they loved waddle was his toughness and what he represented he played came back from the ankle injury last year and played in that national championship game and they're like we haven't even seen him fully healthy also i think waddle's been really good this year he's the number one wide receiver i think he leads all the rookies in receptions like he's been

1:18:12 good it's just that hey if you're going to trade next year's first round pick to danny's point like i almost need you to be unbelievable i don't know if there's any wide receiver you drop in that situation it's a quarterback the only reason why the future first is so that's the other fork is they could have just taken fields yeah they could have traded up taken fields and said we now have fields in tua we have the two best possible assets that would almost be like a philadelphia 76ers process type thing right we like we we're building assets we don't know we're gonna do these assets but here's some assets and i don't know i didn't see enough from tua last year to think that he was the guy and i just think fields higher upside higher ceiling and you know obviously when you take two over herbert you're terrified to just admit you were wrong after a year but think about arizona they admitted they were wrong

1:19:01 with josh rosen in a year [ __ ] it we took kyler sometimes you just gotta admit you're wrong and um i'll tell you as somebody who's in the afc is with the dolphins i'm so glad it worked out the way it did i'm so glad they don't have their pick it's just beautiful you know before the season like we would do these debates on good morning football like is it bills or dolphins and it's like i would always pop in because people think i'm a patriot so i just love what the patriots did in free agency and they actually spent money and they were like let's let's fill some holes i'd be like what about the patriots i mean it was a unanimous thing out there you know august to september like the dolphins are the second best team it's whether the dolphins are going to compete with the bills dolphins are a distant third right now yeah distant distant all right so none of that worked out and then philly

1:19:45 moves too far back and might not get their subaru we'll we'll cover them again in a second number seven is detroit detroit takes sewell left tackle everybody likes the fit always great to have a franchise left tackle there's a piece of this trade though where they don't have a quarterback and you have fields sitting on the board and now you watch the lions and goff is just a catastrophe i mean he's even worse for detroit than i think any of us ever could have expected so now you got detroit going into next year they're probably gonna have the first pick in the draft the draft that has no franchise quarterback and they could have taken one danny right here they could have taken justin fields in this spot now they have a left tackle to block for a quarterback that they don't have i felt like such a broken record i almost felt like i was taking crazy pills during like the draft time because

1:20:40 i'm like take fields take fields yeah you have no quarterback why are you not taking fields and obviously like fields has had an up and down rookie season but i think the trade you're seeing the traits are there for sure to for this guy to develop into a high-level quarterback and it's like now it just is like especially when you're watching goth like he's legitimately maybe the worst starter in the nfl he has he can't push the ball down the field he can't deal with pressure any time he has to come off of his first uh of his first read it's a catastrophe i don't yeah i think tim boyle might start over him this week and it might not just be because of injury being serious it's kind of like the yeah it's like what we were talking about with mike white and zack wilson where it's like ah just he's injured we'll keep him on the bench for a while listen i don't want to slander jared goff too much

1:21:25 because he won me a super ball and i'm always going to treasure and admire that guy but man is he bad and it's when did the stafford trade happen after the draft though right or was it no it was after it happened in march oh yeah yeah so they didn't have a quarterback and and also like why are you taking goff back in that trade we all kind of accepted that piece too and and it really did seem like detroit thought he was salvageable for some reason which is weird but shrigs they could add fields they could have taken could have had mac yeah could have a lot of fields or mac jones anyway classic lions this is why they suck and they haven't won a playoff game in 30 years well their big debate was was right there at seven was it sewell or slater right sewell look the way they look at it is complete rebuild let's get the best player on the board and sue will played a little bit left last week

1:22:15 played right tackle and shut down tj watts so it was good we're not answering the board and those guys they've got zero wins you can't win a game based on the strength of how good your offensive tackle is i'm sorry you need a quarterback well let's we could have the same conversation for carolina number eight because they didn't have a quarterback either door a was just take justin fields or mac jones door b was take a cornerback and then trade a number two for sam darnold so basically they end up with jc horn and sam darnold but door b is justin fields keep your number two i'm going to say i like the door b a little bit more call me nuts that's crazy that's that's not hindsight either like i was real to me the detroit thing made a little more sense because they're not in it they're just like a few years away you know what i mean carolina as we've seen and this is something i i talked about a

1:23:09 little bit in the off season like they have a really good young defense that has taken a big jump this year yeah one of the better defenses honestly in the nfl especially considering how young they are and good skill position players dj bar christian mccaffrey like you're ready get a quarterback in there and you and you're ready to go um and it's just like it i i don't know like i think the gym maybe it was the denver gm said you can he was trying to get a franchise cornerback i'm like no that's not a thing get a quarterback it doesn't matter they thought they got sam darnold that's 60 cents on the dollar that they could read you know they could win games with sam darnold the whole thing and then he's a canadian i spoke i spoke to a uh someone who interviewed for that job did not get that job and his thing was like when we came in there it was all right what would you do with our quarterback position we got

1:23:56 teddy at the moment but what would you do and you know this was back then he was like i would focus in on trey lance mac jones or justin fields and you take them at eight and then you figure out those three can all win games and you go the darnold trade came about and it was like the jets really did you know at the time the jets if darnold was anything this season the jet's got fleece he's not he he's injured and now it's like a waste but hindsight you could say gosh we got darnold a number three overall pick who has been in the worst situation in the jet situation and now if we just get a little bit more than teddy we can compete that was the hope they hope that you know also jc horn top corner just about on everyone's board by the end of the draft process that they got darnold and horn in the draft unfortunately neither darnold or horn is going to play a role this season for the panthers well you also think as

1:24:45 it turns out we'll we'll get to what the bears ended up trading to move up into the giant spot that just has more value than jc horn and sam darnold for number two in that pick and we'll cover that in a second the other thing danny just quickly i felt this at the time just because everybody thought certain was a little bit better than horn by a smidge but i don't i don't think anybody had horn over certain and then you watch this season certain's a beast like he's yeah he's incredible watching him go toe-to-toe who who is he going toe-to-toe against oh uh devonta smith yeah that was a great match that was awesome that was fun to watch so it's hard for me to kill certain at number nine because denver takes him over they were in the same spot they could have taken fields they could have taken mack i think he's a better player than horn and yet denver you also could have had mack jones in fields what are you doing i think

1:25:39 this is a broken record again take fields what are you doing you just take him he's right there it's the exact exact same argument i just used with panthers yeah defense you have good skill players you got the foundation in place just drop a quarterback in there and you're going to be a very good contender i think um and you know they just that's another missed evaluation right there like well we can get bridgewater and we'll have a franchise corner oh i know what triggs is going to say god damn it play the long game yeah they got a six-year deal okay six-year deal with george payton he's been waiting forever to leave minnesota for the right job he gets a six-year deal he's paid as well as any gm in the league he's like the most coveted gm candidate in years goes to denver and he's like i have six years of security if he doesn't love justin fields or mac jones and he knows aaron rodgers and his

1:26:29 aaron rodgers fiance lives in boulder in the offseason like oh i don't know maybe that's the play so i would think you take the best but certain's great he's going to be their starter for 10 years at corner he's going to be an all pro the whole thing and then this year let's see what happens in the off season at quarterback and also maybe he's in the rogers trade i think what denver did is way more defensible than what carolina did carolina taking the slightly inferior corner back and then trading a second for darnold that's just really bad because their team is good they have some blue chippers on both sides of the ball and they i don't think they were that far away and even uh with the corpse of cam these last six games like they still might be able to i don't know go nine and eight ten and ten and seven make it all right now we get to uh to dallas is at ten now the the the two quarterback

1:27:17 prospects are just pulsating like trade for me trade for me and philly says [ __ ] it here's number 12 and number 83 let's we'll move up two spots you could have the number 83 pick dallas is like great we weren't taking either of these quarterbacks that sounds awesome we're gonna take michael parsons so philly moves up to take javonte smith they easily could have taken fields or back who is better than jalen hurts unless you watched jalen hurts last week and he looked like willie beeman in the last half hour of any given sunday was incredible um i still think they should have taken a quarterback there or just stayed at 12 and taken a quarterback and not even given up number 83. i do like smith though he's good he's really good yeah what do you so what do you think of that one seven months later danny i i don't have a big problem with it i think the difference between this trade and the miami trade is they gave what 83

1:28:12 is like a that's like a third rounder um and so that's not like a huge huge thing and i i was always higher on smith slightly anyway so i like the trade um generally speaking like my rule is don't trade up in the first round unless it's for a quarterback but this was like a relatively small move so i i like it i think it's gonna work out for him i think devante smith is gonna be a star in the league he's already showing the ability to you know get open against veterans he's just so smooth slippery type runner or type route runner um and i i think at the time i too i was also just like yeah it probably would make sense for them to take a quarterback here but they were also just getting off of this like giant cluster of a quarter quarterback situation yeah that it was like a i didn't really blame him for just going a different direction seeing what they got in hertz um and give him give him a year to kind

1:29:01 of like prove that he can be the guy and um the trajectory that hearst is going on it kind of feels like he might be the guy so i don't know we'll see i i've changed my opinion on him seven times this year and i look forward to doing it three more times what do you think shrigs i think that you know the the the interesting one is they traded within the division with dallas which you never thought they would do to jump the giants who likely were going to take devonta smith with that pick and they go and they jump the giants they get devonte smith but the irony of it all is if they had just stayed put they might have gotten michael parsons and i think that would have been a really good player for philly also and he was a pennsylvania guy in the whole thing and it's like all right so you got a wide receiver davonte smith is very good and he's had huge games and he's in a total pro like this guy he eats breads

1:29:47 football he's not a big talker he's a great wide receiver for them but they took a wide receiver in the first round last year and jalen reagar also so i don't know if anything i would have said not fields because i don't know if fields or mac would have necessarily worked with a young quarterback jalen hurts already there who they wanted to see for a season but i would have taken parsons maybe instead and that's kind of revision is history too i am of the danny school i'm not trading up unless the draft is about to drop and i think in this challenge 14 14 guys in that top tier and then it then it then it goes off and the same case in basketball too the nba draft that we had shenggoon at number 16 was kind of the last guy and then it dropped so if you're moving up two spots to give it up number 83 like i have to feel like there's a drop off there wasn't a drop off here because you had smiths on the board you had fields you

1:30:39 had mac you had parsons and you had slater sleeter and all of those guys had real value so i i didn't really understand the trade up i thought dallas played that perfectly because they got the guy they're probably taking anyway they pick up a free pick since chicago says well [ __ ] this we haven't had a quarterback since jim mcmahon um we're gonna move up hey giants you're interested the giants are like all right another year of dating dimes what are you offering they end up getting number 20 number 164 and a first and third round pick in 2022.

1:31:19 it's a haul for the bears to move up nine spots the bears are gonna do that a hundred times out of a hundred it also puts a big magnifying glass on teams like carolina and denver a little bit earlier in detroit because that was the price just to move up to number 11. what would have been the price to move up to 789 and you still could end up with your guys i guess moving back to 20 in a draft that was really 14 to 16 guys i guess would be the one thing but the the giants didn't care because they were getting so much for them the bears didn't care i actually really like this trade from both sides i i don't think either one would have regret shakes what do you think any regrets either side well let's see what what the giants do with that pick and if gettleman's making it like they have to nail that because the giants traded all those picks for odell and at the time everyone was great like dexter lawrence hasn't been great

1:32:07 the other player they got in that draft has been great uh you know jibril peppers has been fine but he's injured quite a bit so it's like all that's great to trade back and get the draft capital but you need to actually pick the right players too for the bears this was like all right nagi and pace were brought on for another year it was like we're all in and they they're putting their money where their mouths are like they weren't going to sit by and idly watch this thing go by as justin fields slip so i mean you could argue that bears would have probably thrown in another third another first round pick just to get fields like i don't know why the price is any different for him versus trey lance yeah and and i think for the bears like now that we look at it week 11 like i think they're happy with that trade and if you look at the giants it's well let's wait and see because michael parsons would have been great on the

1:32:50 giants as well you know and it would have been a lot of teams could have used a devante smith right there so yes i like what they got i i do like tony but they also they easily could have been like tony there were good two good cornerbacks in the 20s danny that i think have now one of them farley got hurt already but i think people like him and then newsome on the browns i like too and those are guys the giants just could have moved back taking a cornerback and they like the upside of tony obviously but um but i like that i think that's a good trade for both sides i agree i agree um all right so now we go to 12 dallas takes parsons 13.

1:33:28 now we're in like that mac now dallas you could have argued could have maybe traded back if somebody loved mack but it gets to the point of who who's trading up everybody either has their quarterback or has the mistake they think is their quarterback the teams that were left on the board of new england at 15 for mac were miami at 18 if they wanted to move back up washington at 19. giants at 20 they could have moved back up take a mac and the real threat to the pats was new orleans at 28. so belichick's sitting there and it's not dissimilar sorry danny earmuffs cover yours for a second not this similar to 35 seconds left in the super bowl when there's chaos on the seattle sideline and everyone's waiting for belichick's call timeout full time out he sees something on the other end he sees some chaos that he feels like might be an advantage he just sits there he's like i'm gonna we're gonna get this guy this is the

1:34:27 draft's gonna shake out the right way parson's at slater at 13 which was a great pick for the chargers that was one of the better value picks they're not trading out of that but they have minnesota at 14. and watching the draft i was worried minnesota was just going to say because it sucks let's take back jones yeah it really seemed like oh this is in play and then maybe either trade kirk cousins or you just have them for a year you get rid of them trade and then we see on the on the ticker the jets are trading up oh well they're not taking a quarterback we're getting mac jones this is amazing and the jets they gave up a lot to move up for uh elijah bear tucker who um was another offensive lineman 23 66 and 86 for 14 and 143 that's a a hefty price for uh for the third best offensive lineman i wonder could the saints have topped that and tried to get mac jones could they have done 28 in a first next

1:35:29 year and something else maybe minnesota didn't want to move out of the top 25 i don't know but it does feel like new orleans could have trumped that the jets loved vera tucker so much so that like i was hearing about that from their building in march and april and it was like all right and they thought and he's been good he's been really good like they're fine with him but he's a guard you know he's a guard and when they got him there was fist pumps it was we got our guy we got wilson and vera tucker like that's a home run and maybe it will be but to now look at the draft and be like the jets traded all that capital and the rest of the nfl let that happen and they did it for an offensive guard and mack jones slips to 15 who's now going to most likely be starting in a playoff game it's incomprehensible that that could happen man in the arena 2 mack jones in 2040 sequel espn plus even exist

1:36:24 well the jets move up new orleans does nothing maybe they tried i i think there were a lot of reports that they tried but when you're at number 28 it's just tough and the pats mac jones falls to them at 15. and a lot of it makes sense but some of it doesn't make sense so if we go through the 15 teams we just listed danny who should hate themselves the most for this draft who who should have the most loathing resentment anger depression who's number one in your opinion i mean it has to be the jets doesn't it i like it the after i i think like obviously it's way too early to like actually answer this question but the opportunity cost from being at number two especially seeing like the fifth best quarterback is being is is good you know yeah um the opportunity cost from not trading back there also i never liked the process and again it's just it's the process it's not the player i don't like

1:37:23 the process of trading up in the first round if it's not for a quarterback they trade it up got a guard a really good guard but you're a rebuilding team that has a lot of missing pieces your defense sucks and you're giving up second and third round picks which could be building blocks for the future to get that player it's just bad process i think and i i said that at the time i know that a lot of jets fans do not feel that way but i think if you look at it dispassionately rationally the the draft is a crap shoot and the more darts you have to throw at the at the board the better you're gonna be in the long run just straight up and so number one taking wilson who is still obviously has a chance to develop into a really good quarterback but right now what we've seen hasn't been super promising yeah um they had the opportunity to trade back and just get like a bounty of picks there and then they still could have

1:38:13 yeah they could have that same trade yeah they could have gotten mack later or whatever you know what i mean so like i just obviously this is way too early to actually answer this question but that's my answer as of right now shrigs i have three finalists for this question i think the jets danny laid out the case i think how carolina sitting there at eight yeah where they don't get the best cornerback they take the second best cornerback they do the darnold thing they don't get a quarterback now they're in the cam newton era again and the fact that they actually have a good team in a conference that only has four maybe five playoff teams and they actually could have been maybe an impact playoff team and they just botched it that would be my second chance i want to change my answer because that's actually better it's really tough well and then you can't leave out the lions who end up with a left tackle and end up

1:39:05 with no quarterback and now they have the first pick probably in a draft with no quarterbacks and they just could have taken justin fields and you see how it feels what he means to the bears fans already it's like between this and the bulls thank god we launched the jason goff podcast what a time to watch that but um that would be my top three who do you pick shakes you know there's two other teams i'd submit and the first one is the 49ers and i was going and doing flips about how trey lance eventually will be the guy but you know they also traded two future first round picks to get up there so if you're saying right now what would you rather have mac jones and two first-round picks or trey lance it's hard to say with a straight face oh give me the trey lands um i agree you know i think seth wickersham reported and you've had a monitor in the book that like the niners and patriots almost did a

1:39:54 garoppolo trade i've heard it differently that it was kind of just bill fishing around and seeing like what do you like who do you like i think i think if the niners who were at 12 originally had stayed put and not traded two future first round picks and got mac jones at 12. i i think that would have been a really interesting scenario and then next year they have a first round pick and the year after that now they're kind of you know pot committed and we'll see what happens the other team is the dolphins yeah who you mentioned who traded up from 12 to six and gave up a first round pick to get what might end up being the third or fourth best wide receiver in the draft wow yeah that's good i mean especially hindsight now with them potentially losing out on a top five top 10 pick yeah and the big wild card which you guys have sort of mentioned and i do draft stuff for the nfl network and danny of course you do

1:40:42 it and bill you follow it there isn't that quarterback prospect coming up in the draft so like this was the year and of course someone's going to come out next year and be a great rookie and trust me as someone who works the combine in the draft i'll hype the [ __ ] out of all these guys because that's what we do right but it's not viewed as that quarterback rich draft class that we had last year where there was legitimately five starters in the first 15 picks i also wonder who is san francisco bidding against when they're trying to move up to three when nobody even had a consensus number three and everybody just they didn't want to be they didn't want to be dealt a quarterback they wanted to pick their quarterback and at the end of the day it was going to be mack or it was going to be lance and they picked lance but they didn't want to sit at 12 and be like all four of the others are off the board so

1:41:24 here you go here's justin fields and i know you don't love him but you're strapped to him i think that trade's sitting there 12 hours before the draft miami's grabbing all that stuff you're getting two extra first-round picks and you're not even moving out of an absolutely loaded top 12 like you're doing that every time all right danny kelly thanks for joining us shakes and i are going to stay and do some million dollar picks we can hear danny on the excellent fantasy football show with uh guys our guys craig and the other danny the lesser danny can we call him do we call him lesser danny at this point what do we call him i refuse i would not do that he's he's younger danny younger daddy younger more energetic yeah i just i'm giving him [ __ ] because he danny heifetz got a honestly a little aggro during the yankees red sox during that three weeks when the yankees were doing well he started like kind of trash talking a

1:42:15 little bit on text forgetting that we've owned the yankees for the entire 21st century so anyway say hi to heifetz tell him i really enjoyed the playing game um all right we'll be back with uh shriggs all right we're doing million dollar picks little wrinkle today we're taping this right now uh we just finished with danny it is almost noon pacific time we're putting this podcast up before the thursday night game partly to promote the music box documentary on hbo a little bit but partly because shreks we need a win we we're still up for the year but we're only up 114 thousand dollars not what our fans expect after the incredible playoff run we had where we won over five million dollars in five weeks basically so i wanted to actually jump on the pats as part of what we want to do this week we can tease them the pats are playing tonight they're in atlanta we have stayed away from thursdays in general i've stayed

1:43:12 away from them from a betting standpoint they're a crap shoot you have no time to prepare you never know what the injuries um i'm a full believer in this pats team i want to keep riding them because i still feel like there's some value and i think we can tease them pat six and a half with the bills minus seven against the colts now there's there's a little colts momentum right now yeah no they run the ball well i'm gonna throw some water on it i think the colts are the good bad team okay i think every year every year we have the bad team that's good against the other bad teams but when they play a good team they're suddenly not as good they've lost to seattle the rams the titans twice in baltimore here's who they beat miami houston san francisco jacksonville the jets that's how they got to five and five um yeah jonathan taylor i get it buffalo third in rushing yards allowed more importantly whence on the road what

1:44:16 are we doing what are we doing it's carson wentz he's on the road he's he's going to go into buffalo and beat the bills carson wentz carson wins can i can i serve as a counter to your argument just let's hear this let's hear it this is why this is why we d we talk it out the mighty buffalo bills are six and three their wins this season yeah it's not good it's not good miami washington houston kansas city miami new york their losses tennessee pittsburgh jacksonville all right money line let's go let's do it for the teaser but you know i'm not going to hold the who of the cults beaten up against the bills because they've beaten even less it's a very fair point i think the bills win the game which is why i want to put in the teas i would not be surprised if it was close i would not be surprised that the colts led at some points but ultimately if this is a fourth quarter game and it's close i

1:45:15 like josh allen against carson wentz and if carson wins costs us money so be it i think he does two ridiculously dumb things a game i also think you know pitman's really good too and i think he's that receiver class you know he's leapfrogged a couple guys and that thing so but you know if you load up on taylor and you try to control pittman and you just make wentz try to spread it around to everybody else i think that's doable but i also wonder like buffalo's kind of due for a good game against somebody who's at least decent right because i do think i think the pats are actually i think the pats are a more well-rounded team and i think they can go toe-to-toe and beat them potentially twice but i also think the bills haven't really shown in a game yet what they are have you seen them play a kitchen sink game yet against anybody they they they kick the crap out of the chiefs in arrowhead which was a big one

1:46:10 um i also would say they've got the number one defense in the league but again they got fat off of 40 to nothing win against the texans they got fat over two wins on the jets i'm throwing that out they're pointing at jacoby brissette game in week two yeah right week two yeah their point differential is blows everyone else out in the league um buffalo's d is really good i think josh allen's due for that monster game this is the one to do it let's go let's go with buffalo okay hey i i think they win i don't know if it's a 28 to 10 type thing i think the colts are friskier but i have a lot of a lot of issues with the colts as a as a close fourth quarter team right frank rank we've seen some really weird stuff with him especially late in games not sure about their special teams who's their field goal kicker this week blankenship's yeah blanket chip's out it's like hey back up du jour um i think it's badgerly still yeah

1:47:03 yeah the bill's it's all heading toward that first bill's pass game i don't think that bill's i can't imagine the pats beating the falcons the bill's losing this game and suddenly the pats are in first place before we even get to hey the bills take care of it so we're marking them down next one i think you feel less strongly about than i do saints eagles stay away i don't know anything about these two teams we've got we've been wrong every week with these two teams yeah that's why you know what that's why i like it saints point two over the eagles couple things saints have uh buffalo and dallas the two weeks after this okay they kind of can't lose this game you're looking at three straight losses and you're out of the playoff picture potentially with if you lose the buffalo and dallas game so in a weird way it's a must-win game the jalen hurts bandwagon has filled up to an alarming degree and i don't know

1:47:59 if i trust it i think that a lot of people are like jalen hurts he's good i think he's been all over the map this year he's really good against denver is that going to continue this week not sure um the trevor simeon thing which i'm guilty of too where it's like trevor simeon is he pretty good is he worse than jameis doesn't seem like pretty good is there any difference with him and jameis no he's he's fine he wins them games he doesn't hurt you he's fine camara i think is back new orleans is seventh the dvoa philly is 12th and uh and last but not least philly's had this run resurgence the last couple weeks yeah it's happening against detroit the chargers who can't stop anyone in denver who just couldn't tackle last week saints have the best run d in the league there will not be a run resurgence this week which means hertz is going to have to beat them and then you have the sean payton against uh siriani

1:48:52 that says there's an edge yeah it just feels like that might be an edge too and i'm getting points i'm getting plus two this also feels like a game that will be somebody's gonna miss a p-a-t and there's gonna be a two point the plus two actually might come into play and i guess my question is people believe in this eagles team and i'm not sure i it feels like a good time to zag against it that would be the case all right here's the argument for the eagles the philadelphia eagles right now are four and six they're hanging on by a thread their next few games at home against the saints remember this game's in philly at one o'clock it's gonna be cold and philly like that's an advantage against the saints who are an indoor team and yep whether people get out of bed out of shape or not the saints don't usually travel well and play in cold weather giants next week jets after that washington after that giants washington

1:49:44 and then they finish up the season and it's like all right if the eagles can get rattle off all these wins they let me look at their final few weeks here they've got a uh a season where it ends of course christmas weekend giants and then trying to figure out who they play after next but the cowboys one more time whatever it is there is a path to the playoffs for the eagles and if they can get this one they don't have to get on a plane again the rest of the season but this is my this is my point with the philly zag though the eagles fans have mapped this out they think they're going to the playoffs now because they beat denver they went into denver and they played well they did but it was also a really weird game which unfortunately i gambled on denver for where denver was inside the philly 10 yard line four times and got like one points out of it they had two touchdowns called back and then the pivotal play was that weird

1:50:34 fumble when bridgewater just stopped trying and all of a sudden yeah and all of a sudden they're going back so i that that score was a little deceiving all right please can we stay away gosh this is our there's our names on this okay vikings packers who all the bikes do is play close games yes they have five losses ot by three they lost by one lost by seven lost by four lost by three in ot okay packers eight and two against the spread they've covered eight of their last nine history says teams don't end 14 and two against the spread at some point the lions start zagging against no aaron jones this week no aaron jones in minnesota in minnesota who do you think has a higher dvoa out of green bay of minnesota i'm going to guess minnesota the way you're leading me into that minnesota 9th and dvoa green bay 12th minnesota 4 and 5.

1:51:34 they could be seven and two if you if you change three plays our guy greg missing the kick great joke our hero oh my gosh um cousin greg and two other ones rest of the way at san fran at detroit pittsburgh at chicago the rams at green bay chicago there is a path for them to go 10-7 they have to win this game they have to split the series with the packers realistically vikings plus one and a half at home home dogs against a team that has always hung around in these games there's two ways to play this one is just take them straight up the other is we sprinkle them into a tease bring it to plus seven and a half because they haven't lost the game by more than seven points all season here's the thing vikings their whole thing is they're gonna stop the run and they'll run and they'll build it to do that like that's not a great strength when aaron rodgers on the other side of the ball who's just gonna be

1:52:40 like i'm gonna throw all of you guys we haven't seen rogers be rogers in a couple weeks since the covid especially not last week where he kind of came in shaky against seattle is this the aaron rodgers fu game and he's like all right everyone's picking the vikings this week i'm going into minnesota without aaron jones and me and aj dylan and devonte adams we're going to light it up or is it the few aaron rodgers game like f-u erin rodgers who are you uh last seven weeks cousins cousins better stats than rogers this season just yeah thank god for the eye test um packers last seven weeks 27 points 25 24 24 24 7 17.

1:53:24 that arrow's pointing down triggs yeah it is and jones is a huge player so my quiet i have two questions i think the packers are a team that's going to score in the mid-20s ultimately can the vikings get into the 20s against the packers defense now i'm super frustrated when i watch the vikings because i think they run the ball really well i think jefferson is completely unstoppable and i really like thielen and i don't understand when i watch them i i don't understand why it's not a 10-play adr drive every time with the team they have and they shoot themselves in the foot i i know there's been some real skepticism about the offensive coordinator yeah it's gary kubiak's on clint kubiak niner uh they're up in arms about it how could this guy be the best option when we got all these skill position players and we're giving this guy a shot and maybe it's unfair but i think any time someone sees the son of a legendary coach be

1:54:18 giving a job when he's 33 it's like come on like that's that's nepotism that's not what it should be but their offense has played well the last few weeks and i thought last week in la and i know the chargers are snake bitten with this stuff too for them to actually shut the door and win one of those games i thought it was a big step for them so bill if you want to go with the vikings and you want to put them in a tease and maybe give us a little points just to protect ourselves to bump it up plus seven and a half yeah i'm down with that okay last one bengals raiders bengals minus one it's at vegas not sure that matters did you see what zach taylor said this week what did he say i said what do you think you know do you go to vegas zach is not a huge you know big look at me personally says when i go to vegas i go alone and i tell my wife not to come and i don't go to the pool i don't go to the

1:55:07 club i don't do anything i sit at the craps table for 72 hours straight and i just play crap so i'm like jack i like that wow that's what i that's what i that sounds like me in vegas where i just do 15 straight hours of blackjack as my friends come and go got my got my [ __ ] friends like we're going to go see tiesto at the club i'm like i'm good i thought the raiders were reprehensible oh chiefs game now granted if a couple played there there was a world in which if deshawn just doesn't fumble they're at least scores with them but i i didn't like the body language at all um the defense they have two good pass rushers they can't cover and the the more i watch them it just seems like any good defense any good offense can go on them uh on the flip side the bengals have hurt our feelings a couple times this year more recently with the jets game the browns kind of whipped on them and ran down their

1:56:01 throats i just don't know if the raiders have the type of team that would be a problematic for the bengals like i think the patriots would kill the bengals i think they would run the ball be super physical and and just they would take out chase and i think they would have trouble i don't know if the raiders are that team and then you think like the residue of of the gruden and then rugs those two things it does seem like there's some some effect now i saw a team during that chiefs game that seemed like it checked out in a way that i didn't like that fourth quarter was really rough and they have a terrible interior defensive line and joe mixon he can run the ball and the bengals can move the ball i i love cincinnati in this game and i think it's just been it's been a lot forever for las vegas and look the last two years they started off six and three and six and four and missed the playoffs it

1:56:51 looks like it's going that way again for the raiders i don't see them pulling a rabbit out of their hat and suddenly going on some torrid run i would pick the bengals here even in las vegas all right underdogs steelers are plus 225 against the chargers the chargers have jedi mind tricked everybody and i don't really understand it they've been bad for multiple weeks now their offense looks pretty broken doesn't seem like it seems like they've lost our identity mike williams has disappeared teams have taken him out um they can't they can't seem to figure out how to use herbert stephen ruiz for us did a re he did a really nice uh chart of herbert's throws last week where none of them were long it was like what it was like looking at steph curry's shot chart and and everything's from 15 feet they just haven't unleashed him everyone was ready to make brandon's day with the coach of the year it's clearly

1:57:46 now it's rainbow or belichick right at this point those would be the favorites yeah or cliff cliff's fair um but uh you throw in the terrible run defense you throw in the coaching the tomlin the steelers team that just seems like they can hang around in these games um and i don't know why the steelers are are dramatic underdogs they're plus 225 in this game shrinks yeah because last week was so so bad their defense gave up 240 yards rushing to a lions team that's done nothing and mason rudolph really did but when you're playing football and your quarterback is an abomination that has to affect the defense i know and they found that out they found that out hours before the game you know the night before that ben wasn't going to go um a couple years ago they went into la with duck hodges on a sunday night and won like i i think they can win and i and i also look at the chargers bosa star player might not play because of

1:58:46 the covet 19 protocols jerry tillery on the defensive line hasn't been as good he's a first round pick though he's probably gonna be a game time with the kovitz stuff and like i agree with you we crowned herbert but now we're gonna go and he's awesome he's got great arm and all that stuff but now we're looking at the possibility of him going two seasons of missing the playoffs and having all these gifts and it's like is this a wasted potential type deal i i know they don't want to hear it chargers fans get really sensitive of this that was a really purple room uh last week in that sofa and it was vikings fans travel and guess who really travels this is the dealership this is the last piece of the case they're six and a half point underdogs right now plus 225 and i think we should think about them for the plus six and a half too um it's going to be a home game for them there's so many steelers fans here

1:59:34 they're [ __ ] psychotic they will every pittsburgh fan within 120 miles of this stadium will be at that game chargers fans take and i think the chargers organization they do not like this storyline they're like that is not the case if you come to the game you will see this this one will be undeniable and it's going to be on national tv and there's going to be terrible towels and if they hang early if they hang around they'll they'll be felt so i i think the steelers have the edge in this one too so for underdog parlay we can put them with washington washington uh going against carolina they're three-point underdogs you put steelers in washington together in a parlay it's plus 674.

2:00:14 now washington just had their biggest win of the year last week great win they lost chase young i do like gibson and mclaren just as like tough dudes you know like especially if it's like a close game and cam newton like really and look who's coaching washington ron rivera knows cam newton he knows him inside and out you know what he remembers is all the passes cam probably bounced the last two years he was there um carolina i think's going to be really easy to figure out what they're going to do they're just going to try to pound the ball they're going to run they're going to do a lot of sweeps and stuff but cam hasn't played football in a year mccaffrey looked good last week i guess the cafe 95 yards on the ground had 10 catches is banged up which isn't great for them he might play might not but that i don't love that i think washington could win that game so that's one possibility steelers

2:01:05 vikings is another one that's plus 576 and then the big kahuna which you you you're going to make a face i stay away from kahunas yeah let's hear steelers giants plus 15.75 giants would have to beat tampa it would be an official tampa tailspin i mean this would be tampa by the way they're they're okay on the road they've put up 40 points every home game this season like they it's something like that i wouldn't go with the giants in that one washington and in pittsburgh is interesting so we could do steelers washington and we could do steelers vikings we could just throw both of those yeah we could easily do both of those steelers plus six and a half we could also tease that with the vikings keep them away from pat's bills keep pat's bills a separate teas yes steelers vikes just as their own little little minorities when do we go all in on the dolphins just kicking the crap out of the jets

2:02:17 when can we do that it's gonna happen we are going to do the million dollar picks right after the spring all right kyle turn the camera on million dollar picks week 11. peter schrager and i are only up 114 000 we took some hits the last couple weeks but i think that put us in line with the rest of uh america so shreks when we run these on social it makes it seem like we haven't talked about any of the picks and then you're there and i'm i'm telling everybody what we're doing for the picks and you're kind of nodding because we already discussed it and then on social people are mean i think it's [ __ ] keep this in the social we just spent 30 minutes talking about these pics now i'm just recapping what we selected don't don't go in the replies and and take shots at my guy peter schrager no and if you think if you think i'm kissing bill simmons his ass are you serious he just talked me out of

2:03:19 saints plus two just now i talked about the saints i think the celtics suck i think there's a lot of things i can say here you know what pearl jam decent band you know like that's what i feel like okay now now now you're starting a war uh week 11 million dollar picks t's patriots minus six and a half we're getting this under the wire in time for the thursday football game because honestly we needed the win patriots minus six and a half over the falcons in atlanta thursday night football and then sunday bills minus seven over the colts we both think this might be a close game we are trusting josh allen and mcdermott against frank reich and most importantly carson wentz number one defense in the league the buffalo bills it doesn't matter in the crowd houston in miami bill's mafia carson wentz is coming to town he's going to be covered in a1 steak sauce just eat them up got that we'll do one more teas for a

2:04:15 little smaller uh little separate ones steelers getting six and a half in what's really a home game against the chargers as we just covered then the vikings against the pack they're home as well they're also getting points against aaron rodgers the misleading aaron rodgers someone call him a liar misleading is probably more charitable we're going to tease the steelers to plus 12 and a half against the chargers we're gonna tease the vikings to plus seven and a half against the packers two home dogs it's a home dog as we're heading toward thanksgiving a home dog tease you call the steelers at the chargers a home dog i love it dude yeah home dog who's gonna have more fans the stairs and the chargers look here's the answer the steelers so we're putting 200 000 on that we are also putting 200 000 on the miami dolphins this is the first by the way this is the first bad team match-up that we've been on this i think

2:05:14 since i usually stay away stay away from bad teams we can't resist this case miami minus three against the jets it doesn't even matter where this game's being played both both fan bases are demoralized and depressed give the jets defensive stats again for the for the social media video really quick the last four games have given up 175 points that's the second most given up points in a four game span since 1970 and they have a defensive head coach that's not good not good and they're starting joe flacco just we go i don't know listen miami doesn't do a lot of things well but one thing brian flores is good at in the right situation against the right offensive line against the right immobile quarterback send the dogs 200k on this you could talk me into even going more on this 250 i bumped it up a little 250 200 all right we still got several weeks left don't try to get too much out of the

2:06:12 apple you're right 200k on my amy minus three last one bengals minus one against a raiders team that honestly quit against the chiefs a few days ago and combined with all the strife and turmoil they've had this season feels like a team that the arrow is pointing down and we have a bengals team that cost us a lot of money a couple weeks ago twice twice yep i yeah twice you're right a ton of money they owe us they owe us bengals minus one against the raiders are they going to hurt us three times in a row i don't think so no zach taylor told the media he loves craps we're gonna be betting on him we're rolling the dice let's go zach last but not least underdog parlay of the week fanduel will be boosting one of these do we tell them to boost steelers washington or steelers bikes steelers washington is plus 674 steelers vikes is plus 576.

2:07:07 i think we do stay where's washington just because we already have stuff on stewart's bikes all right let's do steelers to beat the chargers in a home game for pittsburgh in los angeles or washington and washington to beat cam newton in carolina plus 674 we're gonna boost that to eight to one eight to one odds for us thirty three thousand on that and we're gonna put a little little thirty three thousand as well in the steelers vikings plus five seventy six little sprinkles sure sprinkle a little like touch you know when though when the waiter brings over the dessert menu and it's like i was going to get this this yeah let's get the rice pudding too throw it in bring it rice pudding wow rice no on rice pudding you weren't you in yeah i like rice pudding oh no yeah on the let's go scale what was that the scale one and ten those bets that was a seven let's go oh so all right those were the billion dollar

2:08:02 picks for weeks let's go week 11. you can see peter schrager this weekend on uh fox nfl and um you can see him on good morning football my girl rachel benetto was on good morning football this year yes she was wonderful she was loving rachel cool as hell and she did an amazing mock of kyle brandt uh did the angry runs thing and i don't think kyle necessarily got that it was like when sarah palin is doing it with tina fey there kyle came out like absolutely shredded and ripped and was like no i'm actually gonna do it for real it was yeah it was good that angry runs i tweet i retweeted it that was uh that was hilarious yeah it was good to see all of you together all right shakes good to see you i'll see you next week you're the man all right this podcast was produced by kyle creighton i will see you on this feed on sunday go pets

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