Transcript

Barack Obama's Secret Gay Life

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Barack Obama's Secret Gay Life", an episode of The Tucker Carlson Show published September 6, 2023 (42 min, about 6,730 words). It mentions 29 people, works and ideas, including Donald Young, Democratic National Convention (DNC), Larry Sinclair, Ben Smith, Gurnee, Illinois.

What this episode is about

The content explores the rapid rise of Barack Obama from an obscure Illinois state senator to the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008, highlighting the role of influential donors in his ascent and the lack of media scrutiny regarding his background. It delves into controversial claims made by Larry Sinclair, who alleged an encounter with Obama involving drug use and sexual relations, raising questions about the transparency of Obama's past during a pivotal time in American politics.

Key takeaways

  • Obama's 2004 leap was fueled by hidden backers, yet detractors emphasized his mystery over merit.
  • From the podium to the presidency: Obama's rapid rise mystified while savvy supporters strategized.
  • A media mystery: 2008 painted Obama as hope incarnate—not as a man of enigmatic origins.
  • Larry Sinclair's bold bar tale adds intrigue, but history prioritizes Obama's polished public persona.
  • Rumors swirl, facts fade: Obama's backstory fascinates, yet the focus remains on his political triumphs.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Larry Sinclair, Sworn affidavit, Alice Hathaway Lee, Ben Smith
  2. – 10:00: Bloomberg News
  3. – 20:00: Donald Young, David Axelrod
  4. – 25:00: Donald Young, Curtis Wayne Wright
  5. – 30:00: Donald Young, Chicago Police Department (CPD), Curtis Wayne Wright, Laura Anne Nelson
  6. – 35:00: Donald Young, Ben Smith, Chicago Sun Times, David Axelrod
  7. – 40:00: Ben Smith, Larry Sinclair, National Press Club
  8. – 41:48: Larry Sinclair

Notable quotes from "Barack Obama's Secret Gay Life"

  • Like Obama himself came from out of nowhere to recount his experiences with Barack Obama the man his name was Larry Sinclair and he told an amazing story he said that in 1999…
    about Larry Sinclair · at
  • Me where did you meet Barack Obama it was by accident I was in the Chicago area in 99 for Lee Duke's graduation from the Naval Academy who's leading he's basically my godson okay I had hired a limousine service I'm.
    about Alice Hathaway Lee · at
  • Did so who was the driver his name was Jamir motani it was with five-star limo so you're just a guy who's in town for the night and it sounds like you're looking to party actually yeah that's that's what you're really yeah well.
    about Five-Star Limo · at
  • Friends with Barack Obama I only found out later of dealing with a reporter from Bloomberg news that apparently the limousine company had been doing business with Tony Resco oh that at the time was somehow Affiliated.
    about Bloomberg News · at
  • Immediately how did who did you reach out to do you remember I reached out to actually David axelrod's office in Chicago I'm trying to remember the letters because it was actually three letters and did you say I had sex with Barack Obama.
    about David Axelrod · at
  • Got in late 2007 came from a gentleman that I have repeatedly identified as Donald Young and it was Donald Young who had mentioned to me that the campaign was not going to acknowledge the sex and the drug.
    about Donald Young · at
  • Who was Donald Young as a choir director and a school teacher he was the choir director at Jeremiah Wright's Church in Chicago the same church that Barack Obama went to he was also a very openly gay black man.
    about Curtis Wayne Wright · at
  • Still on the internet tell us about Don Young's mother Norma Jean young actually is a former Chicago Police Department employee really she has worked for the Chicago PD.
    about Norma Jean Young · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

Companies & orgs

Products & tech

  • Hotmail — Product · 1 mention · first at
    Access to the account and the video was deleted Microsoft gave access to my Hotmail account and all of my emails were circulating the internet and vacation replies were set up on my email telling people that I was busy giving blow jobs.

Concepts & topics

  • Sworn affidavit — Concept · 2 mentions · first at
    Sinclair went on to make these claims publicly at the national Press Club in Washington to sign a sworn affidavit and to take a lie detector test but he was dismissed in fact…
  • Lie detector test (polygraph) — Concept · 2 mentions
  • Hope and change — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    One thing about Barack Obama other than he was handsome and a good communicator hope and change but they knew nothing about him his Origins what he believed and legitimate…

Places & events

  • Gurnee, Illinois — Place · 4 mentions
  • Duluth, Minnesota — Place · 1 mention · first at
    Foreign worked for the Chicago Tribune and John krutzen actually came to Duluth Minnesota and sat down with me and talked with me and John krutzen had told me Point Blank that before he had flown out that he had spoken to Axelrod and.
  • Great Lakes Naval Station — Place · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

in retrospect it's pretty amazing that Barack Obama got as far as he did in 2004 the summer of 2004 Barack Obama gave the keynote address to the Democratic Convention in Boston and when he walked to the podium probably only a small percentage of people in the room knew how to pronounce his name he was totally unheard of no one knew Barack Obama at the time he was a state senator in Illinois four years later he once again spoke to the Democratic Convention but this time as the nominee meteoric doesn't begin to describe it how did this happen well the outlines are fairly well known though rarely talked about a small group of democratic donors mostly in Chicago decided that Barack Obama was their guy he was the vessel for their Ambitions they paid for his campaign they paved the way for his rise he spent two years pointlessly in the United States Senate preparing to run for president in 2008 and of course in

the nt1 but the question was who was this man where did he come from what did he spend his life doing before he became president of the United States well the news media whose job it is to answer those questions spent the entire 08 campaign trying to keep you from knowing the answers by election day most Americans knew only one thing about Barack Obama other than he was handsome and a good communicator hope and change but they knew nothing about him his Origins what he believed and legitimate questions about those facts were turned away as they often are with the claim that's a conspiracy theory you're crazy shut up one of the most interesting moments in the 2008 campaign occurred when a man like Obama himself came from out of nowhere to recount his experiences with Barack Obama the man his name was Larry Sinclair and he told an amazing story he said that in 1999 he had encountered Barack Obama in Illinois had sex with

Barack Obama and then used cocaine with him Sinclair went on to make these claims publicly at the national Press Club in Washington to sign a sworn affidavit and to take a lie detector test but he was dismissed in fact he was attacked Obama shills like Ben Smith the Politico batted the claims out without refuting them they're absurd and the rest of the media followed suit but the claims weren't absurd we're not claiming they're true but they were certainly credible this was a first-hand account of Barack Obama's Behavior by someone who's willing to sworn sign a sworn affidavit to that effect so the question is whatever happened to Larry Sinclair what's his life been like since that's an interesting story it turns out Larry Sinclair is still alive he lives in Mexico but today he's in our studio and we're happy to have him Larry Sinclair thank you so much thank you for inviting me where did you meet Barack Obama uh it

was by accident I was in the Chicago area in 99 for Lee Duke's graduation from the Naval Academy who's leading he's basically my godson okay um I had hired a limousine service I'm starting up did you live in Chicago then no no I was actually living in Colorado I had flown in the night before okay so um I had hired a limousine service had made it the driver aware that if Lee couldn't leave the base because once they graduate some of them actually get their assignments and they're shipping out and they can't leave the base that I was still interested in going out and had asked the driver if he knew anybody that was available that might want to show me you know Chicago and he said he did so who was the driver uh his name was Jamir um motani it was with five-star limo um so you're just a guy who's in town for the night and it sounds like you're looking to party actually yeah that's that's what you're really yeah yeah well

I was in town for a few nights but yeah I was definitely looking to party and did you make that clear to the driver oh yeah yeah oh yeah there was no misunderstanding how how direct were you about it extremely extremely extremely okay yeah there was there was no doubt what I was looking for okay uh and he picked me up at my hotel in Gurney and drove into Chicago pulled up in a bar outside and there's this guy that's introduced to me as Barack Obama it was literally that casual that had you ever heard of him no did the driver no one yep the driver definitely knew him because the driver said that he was a front interesting what how would the driver be friends with Barack Obama I only found out later of dealing with a reporter from Bloomberg news that apparently the limousine company had been doing business with Tony Resco oh that at the time was somehow Affiliated yes interesting so he knew Barack Obama

and in his view Barack Obama liked the same kind of partying you were looking for okay so sex and drugs and upwards well the sex part I wasn't so sure about until of course you know you you make your move but it became obvious very quick um the coke part I thought was interesting because of the way that I had brought it up so I'm stepping on your story so you pull and I apologize so you pull up to this bar the driver is basically scouting some dude for you to hang out with correct there's this guy Barack Obama have you ever heard of Barack Obama never never um we're having drinks I mentioned the fact that I could use something to wake up I was extremely exhausted so you went into the bar yes sir what kind of bar was that I'm trying to remember I've been trying to remember the name I know that the glasses had three x's on them because I remember taking one home for a friend of mine but I mean generally

characterized it was it it was it was USB well it was upscale quiet wasn't really that uh that really didn't have a lot of energy to it it was more relaxed more like a lounge as opposed to somewhere where people would go and get loud and crazy yeah um which made it easier to talk um but like I said when I brought up the fact that I could do something to wake up um he immediately knew what I was referring to had made it clear that I was looking for Coke and I really was and had made the suggestion that he knew where we could get it and we left it go get it interesting did he say what he did for a living no I had no idea that he was a representative in the Illinois house I had no idea he was in politics I just knew that he was supposedly married and at the time was going through some some issues with the marriage he said that that was made clear um did he say what kind of issues no remember no so you said I'm looking for

something to wake up he knows you're referring to cocaine I know where to get it what happens next we get back in the limo the driver takes us wherever it is that Barack had instructed him to take us I had given Barack 250 dollars to pay for cook he gets out comes back um I start putting a line on a CD tray to snort and you're you're in the limo yep driving or parked no the driver's driving yeah I start to put a line on on a CD tray and I just happened to notice that he pulls something else out of his pocket and next thing I know he's got a little pipe and he's smoking so I don't have an issue with it I mean some people smoke some people snort smoking the cocaine yes so as I'm doing a line I just start this is the part where you you know you kind of make your move to to see where things are going so I just started rubbing my hand along this thigh to see where it was going and it went the

direction I had intended it to go um so the night became somewhat active sexually and drug-wise in the limo um so you hit on him did he seem shocked by that not at all yeah I mean if you're smoking crack with a stranger in the back of a limo like you got to imagine things that might go crazy places well not only imagine it I look at it this way I look I've done a lot of crazy things in my lifetime I'm a pretty good judge of character and I pretty much know whether or not I can move in a certain direction with an individual I didn't feel that I was going in the wrong direction I just wasn't so sure how much I could trust the individual right at first and that was probably one of my bigger concerns but the fact that I was already becoming somewhat buzzed you kind of throw caution to the wind you weren't sure you could trust the individual what does that mean when you meet someone out of the blue

and you go to a level that you're doing drugs with or you're giving money to purchase drugs or even for sexual activity you have to be sure that you can trust them and when I say trust I mean that you're not going to end up being robbed or that you're not going to end up having a knife stuck into you you know from one direction or another or that you're not going to pull up somewhere and all of a sudden the car door is going to open and you've got five people pulling you out of it totally that's what I mean when I say trust someone and and you and you've been around at this point in your life big time yeah right so probably not your first time in a situation like this not at all and and that's why I said I pretty much know where I can go and and yeah at what point um so you start rubbing his leg and he's I mean I I think I would be totally blunt with you like a man who's not into gay sex would be like

whoa sounds settle down trust me if it was something that you were not interested in uh and you're right I've had guys that I've read wrong that would literally try to break your hand for sure if if you went in that route so it's not like this was something that he wasn't into it's not something that he was shocked by uh shocked by you don't get excited and you don't unbutton your pants and you don't just sit there and let it happen yeah so it wasn't it definitely wasn't perox first time that much I'm I'm absolutely certain of uh and I would almost be willing to bet you it wasn't as lost so um so you performed oral sex on I did Obama you did um in in the drivers up front yep and he's cool with us the driver has the partition up he didn't have a problem he didn't put it down for any reason I mean he kind of set up the whole thing for this in the first place exactly and I have a funny feeling he had no uh bones

to pick with it as far as what took place yeah um so what happened after uh afterwards I actually went back to my hotel I had specifically asked that he dropped Barack off first but for some reason he and Barack chose that they would drop me off at the hotel first and then he would take Brock so Barack actually made the drive out to Gurney which is a suburb outside of Chicago um to the hotel for me to be dropped off what hotel was that it was the Comfort Inn in Gurney oh that sounds depressing well you have to remember it was 99.

and it was close to the Great Plain Great Lakes Naval facilities yeah but um I got dropped off they left the next day was somewhat interesting because he ends up showing up at my hotel room which I thought was somewhat weird but he wanted some more so when you say he showed up he just he showed up I mean I had no warning I was in the room there's a knock on the door I opened the door and he's standing there and he's standing there with more coke and he comes in and it was just like a quick you know rehash or rerun from the night before exact same program exact same program was he smoking again so Barack Obama smokes crack and then you perform real sex on him and like I said the only reason I had come out in about it is I had reached out to the campaign even in 2007. only because I saw all these kids getting excited about okay wait just uh so how did that end like same way you get off you finish smoking

you leave like thanks bye what did you think of him I thought it was interesting no I thought it was definitely a con but what do you mean by that well in my life at that point you had you you made it clear I had already been around yeah big time yeah so you know when people are doing things because they actually really enjoy it or they're sincere they're looking you know for a connection or they're doing something because they're looking for an N or they're looking for a hook or it's a game yeah uh so for me I felt that it was a game for him it was like okay what am I going to get out of it or is there something I can get out of it other than just you know the sexual part right and lucky for me I wasn't going back to Chicago anytime soon so it really didn't matter so you were left with a bad taste in your mouth that's something yeah yeah um did you talk to him again I did not in fact I

and did you have any idea even though you had sex with him twice you did cocaine with him watch him smoke crack twice you had no idea who he was I had no idea who he was until I'm sitting in my house and to koala nagada Mexico in 2004 and he walked on that stage in Boston in the DNC convention and I literally hit the floor I just hit the floor and was wait so you're watching the Democratic Convention from Mexico and the guy that smoked crack in your Comfort Inn with you I was laughing so hard and you were sure it was him I was absolutely positive how you I don't forget people I've met I don't forget people I have spent time with I just don't and just to just to restate because I think you affirmed this but um he used his real name yes he comes up Barack or Barry Barack Barack and so did the driver and that's why at first when everybody was referring to him as Barry I just didn't understand or or catch on because

like you said I didn't know that much about him other than the fact that hey you know you you hook up you know today it's grinder back then it was you know the limo driver yeah a limo driver or a bartender you know you ask and somebody knows somebody or somebody doesn't amazing amazing so you're sitting there in Mexico watching this and you think that's the guy I had sex with who smoke crack it with me yep and what do you think like I said I just started cracking I freaked out I had even pointed out to some friends of mine that were at the house that night and I told them I said you're not going to believe this I said I blew this guy twice you know and they just start cracking up but that's the thing about me I've never been in the closet I've never hid I mean I'm always very direct and blunt and you know and I'm just like this is unreal you know and I had no idea that he was going to run

you know in 2008 but I was back from Mexico but it was a strange feeling sitting there watching him walk across that stage and realizing who he was huh so what did you do you said you reached out to the campaign well I didn't do anything in 2004 but when he announced his run for 2008 I did reach out to the campaign in late 2007 because I had seen a lot of these college kids talking about how thrilled they were how there was a candidate who was completely honest about his entire life his drug use you know what he did his when he was in school you know the constant back and forth one minute is yes I did cocaine when I was younger or no I never did cocaine but I smoked weed so I just simply pointed out that all I was asking was look why don't you just simply come out and say I did Coke and I've done it as recently as 1999.

you know just tell the truth put it out there and be honest and let it stay as the truth rather than this back and forth um never did hear anything back from them immediately how did who did you reach out to do you remember I reached out to actually David axelrod's office in Chicago I'm trying to remember the letters because it was actually three letters and did you say I had sex with Barack Obama this is the interesting part my first contact with the campaign never mentioned the sex whatsoever um that was actually brought to my attention by someone who eventually reached out to me in late 2007 claiming to be with the campaign but wasn't with the campaign what do you mean that was pointed out to you so you never told anyone in the Obama campaign you did sex with Barack not in 2007 no interesting but they knew yep how who oh that's weird I'm assuming Barack himself because the phone calls that I

got in late 2007 came from a gentleman that I have repeatedly identified as Donald Young and it was Donald Young who had mentioned to me that the campaign was not going to acknowledge the sex and the drug interaction and I was somewhat taken back because like I said I had never mentioned the sex to the campaign at all at that point I had in 2008 but I had not in 2000 okay that is amazing and I want to get to who Donald Young was in just a minute but I and I I apologize for being a bad interviewer but let me just ask the obvious question was what was Obama like on crack actually and I hate to say this because some people are going to think I'm really crazy uh I knew a lot of people that smoked it because I was in Miami in the early 80s when it became quite popular um similar to a friend of mine that I knew in Miami gets extremely high calm almost euphoric um and then as it starts to come down

you know the twitching and the looking anything that looks white that's sitting on the seat or or the floor you assume is another piece that fell off that you know you can pick up and smoke but uh Wally was high pretty much to say pretty controlled pretty controlled euphoric um talkative but not really saying anything so it was like his presidency a lot like it um was it your impression and of course you would strictly speaking no but was it your impression that this was the first time you'd ever smoke crack no no you don't first of all you don't buy crack get in a limo and have a pipe in your pocket if it's the first time you smoke crack you just don't that makes sense so um I I've read about your story to the extent it's been written about not very much um but I'd never read that Donald Young this man Donald Young called you and told you that he knew you'd had sex with Barack Obama that was the contact

in late 2007 that I had that originally came under the guise that they were the they were part of the Obama campus so who was Donald Young Donald Young as a choir director and a school teacher he was the choir director at Jeremiah Wright's Church in Chicago the same church that Barack Obama went to uh he was also a very openly gay black man but very well respected did you know him I had never met him I had not even realized that the person who was communicating with me had been killed until a good two months after so uh I'm gonna get to that so Donald Young is the choir director of Jeremiah Wright's Church yes and is it publicly confirmed that he knew Barack Obama oh yes yes Daniel Young's own mother has repeatedly said that she feels that her son died to protect Barack Obama it's just interesting that Donald Young would have called you he's not working directly for the campaign that we know

of exactly but somehow he has a copy of your letter it sounds like maybe Donald Young was on cleanup Duty somehow he has my phone number exactly and that's exactly what it was because like I said the first calls were it was I was led to believe that he was with the campaign the last conversation that I had had with Donald Young he had actually come clean and said that he had been asked to call me and that his job was to get as much information from me as far as who I had spoken to who I had given any information to and to get that to them he had told me to be careful to watch myself and to understand that the Barack Obama Campaign was not in any way shape or form going to acknowledge anything or come out about anything and he had made it clear that he had known Barack for quite some time and had had an intimate relationship with morocc for quite some time he told you that yep and that's

when I knew that I could at least trust what I was being told originally I had made it clear I didn't feel comfortable with the phone call because something just didn't seem right but after a couple of calls it started to all fall into place and I had said the same thing to myself which you didn't know Donald Young existed nope it sounds like you're not very political anyway you weren't I wasn't at the time and you're just annoyed that Obama was talking about cocaine and lying about it I was extremely annoyed but the sex part had nothing to do with it no then Donald Young Who you don't know never heard of calls up and says by the way I know you had sex with Barack Obama I did too yep pretty much um I mean this is a longer conversation which we're gonna have in a minute but I mean Obama has a wife and kids and he's telling America what a great family man he is is that or maybe you've seen this

a lot what do you think of that well you know in 2008 I made it clear that Obama was having marital problems in 99 and everybody uh in the world said that I was crazy didn't know what I was talking about and yet what was it six months ago Barack Obama comes out and tells the world that exactly what I said was the truth in 1999 he and Michelle came very close to divorce really 15 years later what I say is the truth but 15 years earlier I'm a liar and a fraud it's interesting how things eventually come out but yes believe me I've seen I've known guys that were completely happily married that will screw around uh with another man on a weekly basis and think nothing of it oh was it is is it your sense that that's who Obama is just transactional or that he's bisexual or like what is this no my feeling that Barack Obama is probably he's definitely bi um I think that there is a lot of transactional uh qualities to him

because I think whatever he does it is looking for a hook or looking for a benefit yeah that's consistent with his public Persona too I would say um so Donald Young calls you you actually enough sounds like you kind of like and Trust all young I did um did he say how long he'd had a relationship with hey it just said that they had been intimate for years intimate for years um and what happened to Donald Young Donald Young was shot dead in his apartment second floor in Chicago Illinois I think it was December 23rd 2007.

according to the police report and the death certificate multiple gunshot loans uh close range no forced entry second floor apartment yet not a single resident in the building heard a single shot but yet they can hear every shot that's fired in the street outside Jeremiah Wright announces that Donald Young's dead earlier that morning even before it was announced even before he was declared dead I mean a lot of it just didn't make sense um this all public can pick this up and um still on the internet uh tell us about Don Young's mother Norma Jean young actually is a former Chicago Police Department employee really really she has worked for the Chicago PD um I had spoken with his sister Lorraine shortly after I realized that he was the gentleman that I had been speaking with uh there were people at the time that were attempting to have Lorraine and other members of Donald's family file criminal complaints against me with

Chicago because they wanted to be arrested they were trying to get the family to say that I was trying to con them or something to my knowledge they never did any such thing but at the same time I continue to respect Lorraine and the rest of the family um but Mrs Young had finally come out and told David Nelson who was a reporter that I knew out of Minnesota that she was convinced that Donald had been killed that his death was to protect his friend Obama and she confirmed that they had in fact been extremely close for years um I mean did she confirm that they'd had sex Obama and Donald Young her confirmation wasn't referencing or she did not specifically say that they were sexually involved she just simply said that they had been intimate friends for for years but she believed the Obama campaign was responsible she believed that his death was due to protecting Barack Obama and I made the same argument that

people said well how are you accusing Barack I said I'm not accusing Barack of anything but I said I'm willing to bet my life that Barack Obama and Jeremiah write both no or have knowledge of who killed donkey there is no doubt in my mind about that well this was a guy who was clearly going to be the next leader of of the world you know people kill each other over insurance claims over bar fights there's a lot at stake here I have no knowledge of this I'm not alleging a Murder By the Obama campaign or its allies but it it's not it's not a crazy thing Wonder obviously no and the only thing I after I realized what had happened with Donald Young the only thing I had ever asked was the same thing that I had done and I said you know if you want to accuse me being crazy you know release your phone records you know turn over your phone records from your phone in 99 turn over your phone records for the last year I

mean it's that easy if you've got nothing to hide it's not like they're going to be made public turn them over to authorities let them investigate let them look but no so um I now seems like a fair time to ask about your your motive so your initial motive was you were annoyed because you believed or you knew that Obama was lying about his drug use right but then after the Donald Young exchange where he brings up the sex that you had with Obama um what's what was the point at which you decided I'm just going to bring this to the country I'm going to go public well in January of 2008 after having contacted uh the campaign yet again I had decided you know what screw it I'm just gonna make a YouTube video and put it up which I did um it wasn't because I was looking for anything out of it in fact if I had even stopped long enough to anticipate the blowback and the consequences of speaking out

um me being me it probably would not have stopped me it might have slowed me a little bit but it would not have stopped me but um I figured if you're going to call him out you can't call him out on part of it and and people said well why didn't you just talk about the drug use and leave the sex out and I said because if I said he just used drugs and then you found out later it was drugs and sex you would accuse me of lying because I didn't mention the sex so my and the opinion was if you're going to tell the story then you tell the whole story and let the chips fall where they may so that's exactly what I did and she made a YouTube video by the way I look I looked for it last night I couldn't find it that's because YouTube gave access to my account to someone shortly after uh the polygraph test and I was never given access back to it before the video was actually deleted are you serious oh yeah YouTube gave

access to the account and the video was deleted Microsoft gave access to my Hotmail account and all of my emails were circulating the internet and vacation replies were set up on my email telling people that I was busy giving blow jobs and would get back with them when I was done and oh yeah man they wanted Obama to be president yep and they wanted me to be the biggest fraud and nut case that ever existed so I gotta ask you I mean you know I wasn't there I could only assess what you're saying I don't see any obvious motive for you for gain financial gain you're not going to get rich doing this and in fact you haven't you've got impoverished uh as a result of it but like if I'm a reporter well I was a reporter at the time I remember thinking well that's an interesting story but it seemed like nobody in the media wanted to follow up with you and some people like Ben Smith at Politico who's

a liar and a shill posing as a journalist I I reread the piece last night that he wrote saying oh it's ridiculous right off the first graph it's ridiculous these claims but I think I have an answer for why a lot of reporters did not want to follow up and I think it would have something to do with what David Axelrod told a Old Chicago Sun Times uh reporter or no a Chicago Tribune reporter John crutson Axelrod had been a reporter in Chicago foreign worked for the Chicago Tribune and John krutzen actually came to Duluth Minnesota and sat down with me and and talked with me and John krutzen had told me Point Blank that before he had flown out that he had spoken to Axelrod and that Axelrod had told him that they were aware of who I was and that it was their intentions to destroy me and that if any reporter had mentioned me to them they would be completely cut off and that outlet would be completely cut off from

access to the Obama campaign for the duration of the year so I think that had a lot to do with why reporters didn't bring things up to the campaign because everybody wanted access to you know the new savior nobody wanted to be blackballed and denied access to a historic campaign yeah but I mean if it's the guys running for president and credible information comes out that he's smoking crack and having sex with dudes I mean that that seems like a story well it would be a story if the media really cared about telling people the truth about anything yeah they're liars and that Ben Smith is a liar oh Ben Smith's more than a liar but you're right what do you mean more than a wife he's a complete fraud Ben Smith you know I hear people talking about grifters Vince met to me as a grifter Ben Smith wrote an article um saying that I had a 27-year criminal history career Criminal and the funny thing is is if you look my

criminal history up which I've published myself and provided from day one my criminal history goes from 1980 to 1986 and everything I've ever done I've owned it I've never wasted taxpayer money and any sentence I've ever been given I've served um but he also said that I was a fugitive that I was avoiding prosecution I was trying to prevent from going to jail none of that was true but the media ran with it even Greta even Greta linked to it and said that people ask me why I would not interview Larry Sinclair this is why and she linked to Ben Smith's article and noticed his article was published right when I Was preparing to do the press conference at the national Press Club but hey the national Press Club so-called Beacon for freedom of the press they were just as involved in trying to keep the story from ever being it's interesting I watched the other night I watched your entire National Press Club

appearance and in it you detail your intersections with law enforcement exhaustively every time you've been arrested you explain every time you've done time you've explained you've explained it so you didn't from what I could tell hide your past no why you can't I mean I've never hidden my past in regular everyday life why would I hide it in something like this so um I mean you're the only person on this set who's had sex with Barack Obama so I think you're I I I don't know expert on Obama but you know more than most people what's your assessment of them now um I think he's the same grifter that he's always been I think he's still very power hungry I think Obama is calling the shots in the current Biden Administration more than people are willing to admit um I think Obama is hell-bent I had made a statement during that press conference that I felt that Barack Obama being elected was going to push racial race

relations in this country backwards 50 years I am absolutely positive I was yes I well I think you've been you've been Vindicated on that because race relations in this country has not only gotten pushed back but everything's about race now everything everything is about victimization now um it's interesting though um yeah he's obviously a race-hater very anti-white but he had sex with a white man so you have to ask like Is that real oh for him of course I and I would be willing to bet you I'm not the only white person he's ever had sex with or male anyone yeah um but hey he's got what he wanted you know he is in DC he's living the life he still looked upon his as being the savior of the country you know and sadly people are still giving him that power and I think it's going eventually to be to the detriment okay he's asking one last question how did you that's I'm thinking about it it's very insightful

because I I knew a lot of people who weren't liberal who voted for Obama purely on the race question and they weren't all self-hating guilty whites or like nice normal people who wanted to see race relations improve and that really was the core promise of his campaign and a lot of people bought it a lot of smart people bought it and I saw why they bought it but you didn't buy it how did you know that I grew out in South Carolina in the 1960s and 70s okay I've been gay and knew I was gay since six years old never hit it okay yeah uh I grew up rural South Carolina and my first job as a kid was cropping tobacco for a family by the name of rose that were a black family living across the road from my grandparents so I grew up as a kid a gay kid and an era and a area that would get you killed being gay just as quick as you could be hanging being black so I actually knew the other side of the track

before I knew that I was supposed to act like I was above this or above that I've watched it my whole life I know when someone plays when it comes to acting like their one way and then in reality they're the biggest racists or bigots alive on both sides okay I knew because he was saying one thing in the campaign and then if people started to actually listen to what he was saying remember there was a time when he actually told supporters to show up at a fight with a knife get in people's face argue with them if they didn't agree to support him if they didn't agree to vote for him argue with them convince them come on you don't make statements like that and tell me that you're not going to make things about race he did man that is that is the one part of your story that we can say unequivocally you're telling the truth about you saw that and most people didn't Larry Sinclair I'm really grateful that you came I wish I had

interviewed you in 2008 I don't think anyone would have run the interview um anyway thank you you're welcome thank you great to meet you you too

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Who speaks in "Barack Obama's Secret Gay Life"?

Tucker Carlson (Guest), Larry Sinclair (Guest), Barack Obama (Guest), Donald Young (Guest).

What is "Barack Obama's Secret Gay Life" about?

The content explores the rapid rise of Barack Obama from an obscure Illinois state senator to the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008, highlighting the role of influential donors in his ascent and the lack of media scrutiny regarding his background. It delves into controversial claims made by Larry Sinclair, who alleged an encounter with Obama involving drug use and sexual relations, raising…

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The episode runs 42 min; the transcript is about 6,730 words in 39 timestamped sections.

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