Winners | This American Life | Episode 872

From This American Life

America loves winners—now more than ever. But how do you get to a win in 2025 America? We watch someone trying to score a win, in a game whose rules are being made up while she plays. 00:00 Prologue: Ira talks to producer Diane Wu about an informal survey she’s done with the staff of This American Life about a phrase Ira says a lot that includes the word “winners.” (8 minutes) 07:25 Act One: Two people see one of President Trump’s first executive orders and get excited, and then get to work. ...