RHOBH S15E08: Can’t Have Your Cake and Dorit It Too

What this episode is about

In this episode, the hosts discuss the latest developments from "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" Season 15, Episode 8, including key dynamics and events surrounding cast members, particularly focusing on Dorit's role in the unfolding drama. They also mention upcoming events, such as the Golden Krappies and associated voting details, while encouraging listeners to engage with their community through various platforms.

Key takeaways

• Beverly Hills Housewives are like fine wine; it takes a few bad seasons to appreciate the good ones.
• Kyle's 'quiet' philosophy fails in a reality show—it's like trying to whisper on a rollercoaster ride.
• Dar's hilarious drama proves negativity can be entertaining—just ask any reality TV producer.
• Rage Kyle is the reality star we deserve; her cross-eyed expressions should get a spinoff.
• Rachel Zo's metamorphosis from underdog to belligerent queen shows that even housewives can have plot twists.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Ben Mandelker (Host) · 54 min speaking
• Ronnie Carum (Host) · 36 min speaking
• Dorit Kemsley (Guest) · 4 min speaking
• Kyle Richards (Guest) · 4 min speaking
• Amanda (Guest) · 4 min speaking
• Rachel (Guest) · 4 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Rachel Zo, Beverly Hills, Kyle Richards, Ben Mandelker
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Beverly Hills, Kathy Hilton
3. 40:00 – 50:00: Rachel Zo
4. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Ronnie Harum, Rachel Zo
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Kathy Hilton, Rachel Zo
6. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Beverly Hills
7. 1:20:00 – 1:29:45: Rachel Zo, Patreon

Notable quotes from "RHOBH S15E08: Can’t Have Your Cake and Dorit It Too"

• Our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys.

  about Patreon · at 0:08

• Pivoting over to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which I'm going to just say it. I feel like this was like the first truly good episode of the season.

  about Rachel Zo · at 2:21

• Something? I'm biting my tongue. Oh, come on, Dariq. Grow up. So Erica's Kyle talking to Mauricio about Dar and PK is 100% keeping Kyle in the middle. Which is correct. And the…

  about Kyle Richards · at 33:29

• Great as great too. That was like great advice for that moment. And also, I do love that Rachel is quietly carving out a cool click in this group. It's like her, Dar, and Bose.…

  about Ronnie Harum · at 52:28

• Like this. They're making like a mustache thing. And I'm just saying all that to point out that I [ __ ] love this woman and she needs to always stay on the TV. I know. She's…

  about Kathy Hilton · at 1:06:19

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Kyle Richards — Person · Referenced cast member / focal antagonist of the recap · 2 mentions · first at 3:30
  Central to the episode’s conflict analysis: hosts critique Kyle’s stance that cast should stay quiet about personal issues (esp. Dorit’s divorce) and her role in spreading/validating judgments via off-camera conversations.
• Rachel Zo — Person · Referenced cast member / breakout voice in conflict (Rachel Zoe) · 8 mentions · first at 2:33
  Praised for jumping into a fight not originally hers, standing up to Kyle, and delivering a pro-divorce-venting monologue; hosts frame her as a potential new “alpha” shifting cast power dynamics.
• Ronnie Harum — Person · Co-host · 4 mentions · first at 0:35
  Co-host of Watch What Crappens; provides reactions, jokes, and analysis of cast dynamics (Kyle/Dorit/Amanda/Rachel).
• Ben Mandelker — Person · Host · 2 mentions · first at 0:28
  Co-host of Watch What Crappens; drives the recap narrative, commentary, and event promotion (Golden Crappies).
  Sorry. Sorry. but today we are pivoting over to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which I'm going to just say it. I feel like this was like the first truly good episode of the season.
• Kathy Hilton — Person · Referenced cast member / comic relief confidante · 3 mentions · first at 10:58
  Appears as a humorous, detached presence at the dinner and later as a supportive listener to Rachel; hosts highlight her eccentricity and on-screen comedic value.

Companies & orgs

• Kazwee — Company · Business Focus · 1 mention · first at 0:58
  Mentioned as a partner for live streaming the Golden Krappies event, indicating a business relationship.
  Not going to lie. But you can join us. Even if you're not there physically, you can join us virtually because we have partnered once again with Kazwee to do the live stream. So…

Places & events

• Beverly Hills — Place · Setting · 7 mentions · first at 2:00
  Mentioned as the location where the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is set, contributing to the show's context and themes.
  Pivoting over to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which I'm going to just say it. I feel like this was like the first truly good episode of the season.
• Golden Crappies — Event · Event Experience · 1 mention · first at 0:43
  Highlighted as an upcoming event related to the podcast, offering both in-person and virtual participation options.
  At the Fonda Theater. Not a lot of tickets left. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. But you can join us. Even if you're not there physically, you can join us virtually…

Sponsors

• Patreon — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 0:11
  Promoted as a platform where listeners can access bonus content and support the podcast.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:04 Welcome to Watch What Crappins. To get our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys. Hello and welcome to Watch What Crains, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. But I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today on this big old Friday, it's Ronnie Carum. Hi Ronnie. How's it going?

0:36 Well, hello. Hello. Hello. Well, guess what? We're just a mere three weeks away from the Golden Krappies. That's on February 27th at the Fonda Theater. Not a lot of tickets left. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. But um you can join us. Even if you're not there physically, you can join us virtually because we have partnered once again with Kazwee to do the live stream. So go to watchercapins.com to get your tickets to the live stream of the crappies. And the good news is that live stream is available uh for two weeks after the show as a replay. So even if you're got plans, you're going to a wedding or something or like traveling, you can you can go check it out. So uh go that's going to be again at watchins.com. It's also where you'll find a link to the ballot for round one. That that voting is underway at the moment. Um so exciting to see everyone's choices coming in and um and then on uh mid

1:35 midFebruary we will have the official nominations based off of your votes and then you will get to vote all over again. So go check out that link at watchins.com or on our social media watch on Instagram and then over at Patreon. It's a whole other party going on. We have weekly bonus episodes. We will be talking about last night's episode of the trailers right after today's episode and of which we're going to recap Beverly Hills. And uh we also have a newsletter and add free and video. So it really is the full crapens experience. So do what you want. You know what? You can do as much as little as you want, but you know what? We encourage you to to do the most. Okay.

2:17 Sorry. Sorry. Um, but today we are pivoting over to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which I'm going to just say it. I feel like this was like the first truly good episode of the season. I feel like the the I feel like the show has come to life at long last. What did you think?

2:33 It was a good episode. Yeah. Uh, Rachel came out to play, which was nice. And she did like crazy housewives stuff where she took someone else's fight and then made it all about herself and she was really upset about it,

2:43 which I loved. Amanda got kind of put in her place, which was super fun. And it was a very darheavy episode. Dar. And you know, you told me cuz you watched this before me and you're like, "Oh my god, it's a Dar episode."

2:55 And it was so funny. The Dar parts made me laugh so hard. Who knew Dar would come out, you know, all these years later and be so I mean, look, we've always found her entertaining because we just love to make fun of her. I think she's such a fun ding-dong. But this, you know, this Dar being like all pissed off and divorcing is so funny to me.

3:17 It really brings out the best in Dar. Yeah, I think she's doing a great job and um she's giving us what we need right now as opposed to Kyle who um she I mean the whole episode is basically about the fact that Kyle says you should um be quiet about the things that are going on in your life. And somehow she's like the center of this franchise. Somehow she's like one of the the queen Real Housewives across all the shows. And yet, like the thing that she espouses the most, the the philosophy she espouses is you shouldn't say that on TV cuz that could be really bad. I mean, yes, but you're on the Real Housewives. Like that mentality went out the door the moment you signed the dotted line. But like this also shows one of the one of the ways that this show has been floundering is because you do have this person at the center of it who for the past several seasons has been emphasizing actually I would say

4:09 like for probably since season two but even more blatantly the past few seasons has been emphasizing keeping the really important stuff quiet and just like talking about stupid things like hats and exercise. But this has also brought out a great side of Kyle, which is the flustered. Um, I don't agree. You know, when people disagree with Kyle, how she gets so flustered and and it takes her off her game, which I'm loving. I'm loving seeing it. And Kyle also, one thing I used to always make fun of is getting too much Botox. Now, this was, of course, back in the day when I was a youth, and I was one of those who was like, "Who needs it? I would never." And of course, now I'm like, "Get it in my veins right now, immediately." You know, I was saw my friend's baby last night and I was like, "When are you starting Botox?" Because this baby, you know, when he when she gets upset, she's going to get wrinkles. So, anyway, I'm I'm

5:00 fully on that train now. But I used to joke that Kyle got so much Botox that it like paralyzes one of her eyes sometimes cuz she gets this like crosseyed thing when she gets mad. And it was on full display today, the Kyle cross eye. And I was like, "Yes, someone finally brought this Kyle back. This is the only Kyle I want on TV." Same. Same. That's cuz that's like Rage Kyle, which we all know was there,

5:22 but she keeps it wrapped up and Dar was able to bring it out and I was like really happy about it because Rage Kyle I'm not mad at at all. I feel like Rage Kyle is real Kyle and that and that's fun. And like you and I just want to circle back to something that you said. This was also my first episode where I was like, okay, I am feeling really good about Rachel Zo. I was I mean it was hilarious that she made it about herself, but the way she is kind of like the cool girl. she is the cool girl uh she's the senior uh who is like very popular and then when she doesn't like someone she just sort of rallies the troop and talks [ __ ] about them behind their backs and I really like that for her and so I think she's been pretty passive all season and now she's like oh I'm annoyed at someone and um let's talk [ __ ]

6:05 well not only that but standing up to Kyle and not even blinking an eye which I really liked. She's like okay I'll go against Kyle now. It's like fine, sounds fun to me. Which I really liked for a newbie. And it was the first time I felt like the cast was really solidified as a cast. And I think it really does help when you just have a com enemy. I mean, that's nothing new. You know, you need a common enemy. We see it on the valley this week where a couple is actually brought back together because they both hate the same person. And it's just not, you know, that's it's what unites us all, you guys. So, it's nice to see and it's nice to see that it's Kyle. So, I really liked it. I did. This was the first episode. I know a lot of the audience has felt this for a long time.

6:46 This was the first episode I was like, "Okay, well, Sutton, your time is coming to an end because you're not really doing anything." And it's to the point now where everybody else feels very united as a cast and Sutton seems kind of off on the sidelines. And I've always really enjoyed Sutton, but I think uh it might be Sutton's final

7:08 song. I was thinking that last night. I was like, let's bring back Sutton Stra and um get rid of Sutton Brown because Sutton Brown is not doing it for me. She's just on the corner doing nothing, being very quiet. And I like what was maybe the point of the season, maybe why it has slow start was everyone just waiting for Sun to pop off and be crazy. Was was that what was going on? Um, but either way, I mean, the the Darede and Kyle clashing has become one of the more compelling aspects of this show because those are two girlfriends who have totally different fundamental views of what it means to be a girl's girl. I think we all believe that Kyle is wrong.

7:45 Kyle is like the shittiest girlfriend and [clears throat] she tries to actually make herself seem like she's the best girlfriend and she's not. But um but yeah, Sutton has she has been very retiring this season and that's not good.

7:59 It's also a nail in the coffin of the Fox Force 5 which we have been waiting for for years and it's finally happening. They're finally breaking up and I love to see it because they've been holding on for a very long time. I mean Dar and Kyle had some issues last year and so it started to kind of get shaky. you know, there have been issues in it, but it seems like it's finally going to break up and we're going to have um room for new alliances and stuff, which I love. I watched this with friends last night and they hadn't even watched the season. They they knew who everybody was cuz they've watched it, but they haven't caught up with the season and they were even engaged, you know, and sometimes it's tricky watching this stuff with friends who aren't watching because they criticize it or they're like, "How could you watch this crap?" And they were like, "Oh, wow."

8:42 You know, Bose has a point. And why is Bose like what is this powerful person saying things like but how can I keep the mad if I don't have the baby? You know it's nice hearing it from other people you know around you. So even they were engaged. So you know what it took eight episodes but well done Beverly Hills.

9:02 But the show's come the show is coming together. It's very good. So yeah, we pick up um we are at Dar and Erica's joint birthday party and um where we had left off last week was Amanda saying that Dar had verbally accosted her and then Dar responded by going so uh we sort of we sort of come back to that moment where she's like I'd like to have a conversation with you Amanda. She goes well I need to be able to go to a dinner party and not be verbally accosted. I think that's the word.

9:37 Woo. Woo. Woo. That's what I'm learning. Wow. Woo. Seven languages of wo for you.

9:44 Mhm. Yeah. Well, that's how I experienced it. Approached the Look, I'm reading the definition. Approached and addressed boldly and aggressively. That's what you did. You accosted me.

9:53 Oh my god. I can't even like I know what a costume means and this ain't it. All right. This is not a costume. And um uh Erica's like, "We can look up a chat GPT assistant too."

10:05 Well, I hope so because that's the only one you've got left. And Bose is like, "Who does Amanda think she's schooling? I don't see a single person here who has a notepad on getting ready to write down what she's saying."

10:17 So Jennifer's like, "Uh, can you guys talk a little bit louder? It's a little bit quiet on this side of the table. It's hard to hear." So um

10:25 you stuck me next to the lady with a blow dryer for a purse, and the conversation's not very good. She's come three times when the waiters come over here.

10:36 Like, please move. So, I like that Jennifer is like, I'm not sitting down here with these losers. And she gets her chair and just moves it to the other side of the table.

10:43 Yeah. Gets right into the mix. So, Dar's like, do you think that I approached you aggressively? At this point, uh, Jennifer is still complaining. She's like, I mean, they're in Beverly Hills and we're in Calabases. Kathy's just fanning herself, like not even listening to the conversation.

11:02 Well, I felt hurt and disappointed and I thought you were super super sweet and it took me by surprise when I heard you were saying behind MY BACK, AMANDA. BEHIND my beak. And she's like, "Um, I didn't say anything behind your back and you could have just asked me, but you didn't just ask me. You came out with me of pretty strong accusations and aggression." And then when I told you it was the anniversary of the death of my son, I just wanted to say that again. Are we ordering dessert yet? Bring the waiter over here. Do you have tiramisu?

11:34 It is the anniversary of the death of my son. Even when I said that, you didn't stop. You You kept going. You kept going. You kept going. Amanda, I'm sorry. I had no idea about the death of your son. Your dog? Your son. Kathy, please. Please. No, you're not helping. She's like, but I told you. But I said, listen, I'm very sorry and I just wanted to have this conversation because I had heard it. She goes, well, I all I did was agree with Kyle, which is great because push it on to Kyle. But it's also kind of true. Kyle was driving that conversation. We see a flashback and Kyle has a whole thing where she's like, "Well, I mean, her talking about how he's parenting and things like that, that worries me because there's like no way he's not going to hear about this down the road and it's going to like spark a bigger fight and he may retaliate." And Amanda goes, "Yeah, adding fuel to the fire." Like, that's

12:25 all she That's really all she said. And so Dar's like, "Coyle and I have known each other for almost a decade. Her having an opinion is one thing, but you having the same opinion is different."

12:37 I just agreed with her. God. Well, what did you agree with? She's like, "Well, if last year speaking about your ex's relationship with alcohol was hard for you guys, then this year speaking about his parenting style could also be hard for you guys."

12:52 Well, Coyle leading with, "I don't think she should be doing this." Is it a little peculiar, but that's something with Kyle and I'll deal with that separately. coil.

13:03 Kyle's just like I'm in right now. She's licking her face like with her eyes crossed like

13:12 What exactly is Kyle's point in trying to color Amanda's image of me? She's not exactly talking to somebody that has any idea who I am, no idea of the situation, has never worn Beverly Beach. Yet, she's talking to Amanda about her opinion about what I'm doing.

13:29 Yeah. Um, wow. Um, so Darit is like, "Well, the the fact that you brought up how you feel about how I'm behaving with regards to my divorce, speaking of my friends, making me want to question you. Why have a judgment about someone you don't even know?" I mean, Darede is kind of off the rails here. Listen, everybody has judgments about [ __ ] that they don't know. Like, this is Beverly Hills. Of course, they're going to sit and gossip about you. But Amanda, Rachel's right when she says it later, like what is wrong with this girl? Just say, "I'm sorry. Like, I don't know you.

14:04 I shouldn't have said anything about it and it would be done." But she's bringing out all of these tricks and like you can't talk to me this way and this is assault and you know, my son died. She's bringing out all of this stuff instead of just being like, "I don't really care about you or your marriage." Um, I was asked cuz she was literally asked the question. They show a clip where they're like, "Well, Amanda, what do you think?" And she's like, "Well, I think that she probably shouldn't be doing that." So, they ask her and then they hold it against her.

14:30 She should just say, "You all ask me and then come at me at dinner. Sorry, I literally do not care about you. I don't care about if you or your doughy husband."

14:39 Yeah, I agree. She should have said that. Um, and there's a lot of talk like judgment becomes like the boogeyman of this episode. Like, I don't want to be judged. Like, I don't want to have if I say something, I don't want judge. I don't want judgment. But meanwhile, this is like the judgiest group of people on TV and that's all they do. And that what they do professionally. That's why they're here is to judge and then they're in front of us and we are judging in turn. But um but yeah, Amanda should have just owned it and moved on.

15:04 And but also what I can't stand about what Kyle is saying and this actually comes up and actually Dar I believe clocks her about this later is this whole thing of like oh don't say something. Don't poke the bear. Don't poke the bear because if you say too much he'll get angry and come at you. And it's like well how about he doesn't poke the bear too? Why is it always on Dar? Why is it on Dar that she has to act, right? Like, oh, PK doesn't have to change how he behaves, right? Like, it's up to us to modify how we act around PK so we don't bring out this horrific behavior in PK

15:38 that he can't change. Now, I I'm not saying that it's like it's I understand the larger thing. It's like maybe not so good to talk about your divorce so publicly on a TV show because it's going to get dirty. Yes. But I just hate the idea of like Dorita is the one who has to fall in line when it's like where's the energy from Kyle to say Pen needs to fall in line. Well, I think the I think the [clears throat] truth is that it's the reason is because he's got the money tied up. She doesn't have any money. She's got he's got that lease in her name. He's got every the mortgage in her name. He's got everything financially all the financial burdens are in her name. And he is holding this money over her head. She's still I don't even know if she still has a lawyer, does she?

16:20 That's any good. Like, she's still trusting PK to give her money. She's trusting that he's going to do all of this stuff. She said it herself on the show that she doesn't know anything about her finances. It's all in PK's hands. And he said he was going to pay for certain stuff. Now, he doesn't want to pay for stuff. So, I think what Kyle is saying is, Dar, you're you want money from this guy and you deserve the money, but you don't even have like you could be in trouble. Like you could literally get in trouble for the stuff you're saying. If you piss this guy off, he can get vindictive with you and he can make your life a living hell. I think that's what she's trying to say. And if I was friends with Dar, I would say that in private be like, Dar, I get what you're pissed about, but going on TV and calling this man an alcoholic and everything else, I don't want you to get hurt with money and you be destitute

17:05 with your children. Like, get your get your financial stuff together. Here's a lawyer, you know, and all of that. But to be going around to like Amanda Francis and all these people like Kyle's not getting her way on TV and Dar's doing it anyway. So now she's going behind her back and [ __ ] talking how Dar's handling it. She's just not a good she's just not a good girlfriend. She doesn't even like Dar and we know that she hasn't liked Dar for years. So this is nothing new. But I think that's what a a friend would be trying to say. But Kyle's just not a friend and she's

17:35 she's on the wrong side of history. I I agree. And I think though I I imagine what Dar's probably thinking is he's going to get vindictive no matter what. It doesn't matter how how nicely I play along, how sweet I am. He if I'm sweet, he's going to take advantage. If I'm not sweet, he's going to be vindictive. Either way, I get screwed. So, let me be me and I'm going to say what's on like coming off my chest. And um I I imagine that's probably some of the thought process as well. And I support her honestly. I mean, I I like my instinct is to say, "Oh, don't talk about this on TV." But like, the more I think about it, the more I think like he's going to screw her no matter what.

18:13 He's going to screw her, so she should and her only tool is because he has the money. Her only tool is just to bring it to America and say it on TV. And I think Kyle is just really shitty for

18:26 like repeatedly taking up for for PK. uh whether she's doing it in like a little way like masked as like uh support for Dar or not like Kyle Kyle's in the middle of this of this [ __ ] and she's just being such a bad girls girl.

18:44 Yeah, I agree. [clears throat] Yeah, I agree. So Amanda's saying, "Well, but you didn't even question me." And that's not typically how you get down to people's true thoughts. It's like by get, you know, you don't get there by being really aggressive. And she's like, "But I wasn't trying to inquire about your thoughts. I was trying to inquire about why you were talking behind my back and judging me, especially about something as sensitive as my divorce. And it's like, well, I've never in my entire life gone to a dinner party and accused people of things and got aggressive with them. Like to me, that was very You actually did. You came to a birthday party and are accusing somebody of assaulting you.

19:21 Yeah. But also like or whatever. Are you are you going to be like a victim now? Is this is this are you going to equate this, you know, like going to a dinner party and um having someone um be quote unquote aggressive with you on a TV show where this is famously the thing of the TV show and like this is going to be as bad for you. Like guys, I know there's a lot of [ __ ] going on in this country right now. Oh, I mean ICE is going around killing people breaking up families, but I was verbally accosted at a dinner party in Beverly Hills and it's just like really hard for me right now. It's really hard.

19:57 And she's like, "Well, I'm I'm sorry that you thought it was strewn, but I'm in a place of urbaness, a place of transparency. So, when I feel a certain way, I'm going to be open and honest." And Kyle's just like her eyes her eyes almost cross to the other so like to each other's sockets. She's like, "How dare you steal my open and honest?" And then Dar takes open and honest and wields it as a weapon against Kyle in the rest of the episode. And I was cheering.

20:23 So good. Yeah. I loved it. And then Amanda, God, Amanda's so funny cuz she's so ridiculous. She goes, "But you know what? You could have just said, Amanda, I heard you have thoughts. Can you tell me more?" You could have had curiosity.

20:36 You could have had curiosity. you. So, you heard I was talking [ __ ] about your marriage and your divorce. Why weren't you? You could have just been more curious.

20:46 No, Amanda, I'm not going to say. I hear you have thoughts. Can you tell me more? I just heard that behind my back you were talking about me and you were choosing me. And Kyle's like, um, can I say something really quickly? Um, going back to Till's house, you were really upset. Like, um, you know, like I've never seen you cry, Dar. Um, you've seen Dar cry multiple times and so have we. Where have you been?

21:08 Yeah. Yeah. She like literally broke down on the bench outside your house after her trauma. So then we see a month earlier and we see Dar, you know, at at Till's house talking even JGA. Ja doesn't even know his father. All he asks for is my father. Papu. All he wants is Papu. Do you know what it's like looking at Jagger AND SAYING, "WHO ARE YOU? Who are you, Jigga?" and then realizing it's just some little girl from down the street who insists on living in your home.

21:41 Dit, you had very strong words and that night about PK, which is understandable. And I'm saying which is understandable in a way that sounds more like I'm saying you're a crazy [ __ ] but I'm okay with you. But it was understandable. Well, what strong words did I have, Coyle? Well, you know, um, when you ask like I don't I don't remember all the things. I just know that you had like strong words. Like that's it. like strong words like strong words.

22:06 Well, if you can't remember the things, if you can't remember the things, then don't say things like that. Don't say words. Don't say strong words. I have strong words about what I was going through. Kyle, fine. I'm going to make my case for America. So, America, the things that Dar is saying about PK now is going to come back to him. And this legal advice is sound cuz I'm wearing a tie. I'm basically a lawyer. So then, um, oh, and she's actually appearing on the new season of Lincoln Lawyer, by the way. There was a clip that was going around where she like shows up at like a lawyer's office late at night. She's like, "Um, hi. Um, so I'm like looking for like a lawyer. Could you help me?"

22:45 Ha. That's basically the the long and the short of it. Everyone, she can't let go of ER still. Um yeah. What are you trying to say, Ronnie? Oh, PK had a post today. It was like, "I would never [ __ ] talk the mother of my children. I would never speak badly about the mother." Oh, please. You're never even there. What are you talking about? Be quiet, PK.

23:11 Be quiet. So, um, uh, Kyle's like, I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he may not like what you're saying. Why poke the bear? So, I I don't know. Like, that that's the thing that like rubbed me the wrong way. Like, I get the logic, obviously. You know, if you have a vindictive ex with the money, he's gonna like come at you hard. But for some reason, I just I want I want her to poke the bear. The bear. It's a slowmoving bear.

23:39 Well, it's entertaining to us, you know, and it's not really even a bear. It's like poking the dough boy. Like, what are you going to do? You're going to poke the bear and this is what's going to happen. You're going to hear this. That's it.

23:51 H. It's the peak. The Peaksberry. the Pixberry Doughboy. How? [snorts] Um, so Dar's like, "Don't so don't twist things, Coyle." She's like, "I'm not twisting. I'm saying I don't recall." Exactly. Well, you are. You are. But then if you don't recall, then you really shouldn't be positioning it that way, Kyle. She like, "Well, okay, Dar. Okay, Dar." And Kyle starts doing that thing where she starts cocking her head cuz she's like angry. She's like, "I'm going to make a point."

24:21 She does like the little bobblehead thing where it's like, "Yeah." She goes, She like crosses her she crosses her eyes and like doings her head back and forth and um Dar's like, "Well, the way that you positioned it is not a nice way to position and it's not actually true." She like, "Well, now you're just spinning hairs because I that's what coil coil coil. I'm not splitting hairs for me. It's the difference between a really big deal and nothing at all." Cool. I love that. Splitting hair is for you, but not for me. And Kyle's like, "Um, do you remember I said you would uh, you know, do something? Remember I said you would. I'll let you finish that sentence cuz I don't really know where else to go with it. Do you remember I said you would do something?"

25:06 Going back and forth. And then the music's like, she goes, "Well, when you and I had dinner and I said to you, I don't think it's a good idea to like bash the father of your children. Why do you think I said that, Darene? Why?" And she's like, "Do I remember that? Is that your question? Yes. Well, you've not only made it a point to say to me at least a dozen times, but you're clearly actually sharing it with a lot of people. So, I can remember. Clearly, Coyle, clearly. Oh, yeah. Because Kyle when she I forgot when she goes, "Do you remember?" She goes, "Do you remember?"

25:38 And they added like an echo to it. It went, "Do you remember remember?" So that way when Dar said, "So, yes, I do remember." And I went, "Member remember." I was like, "Oh, get in there, audio engineers." They're like, "Add some medium room to that."

25:55 Okay. Cathedral. No, medium room only. It's not overdo it, guys. Okay. This isn't TLC. We just need medium room.

26:06 Um, so she's like, "Well, when you and I had dinner, um, yeah, I told you that, Dar." And she's like, "Okay, okay, Dar, you can calm down now. Maybe you should let somebody else talk." Okay, maybe somebody else should talk now.

26:18 That's so old. It's boring. It's like, well, I only had concerns because I don't want to be more complicated for you later because I actually care about you. So Dar tells us if she really had a problem, she would have told me in private once, not gone behind my back and talked about it over and over and over again, and furthermore, more more over and more over. So Kyle's like, "This is not me bashing you. It's just me purely having PK's side, okay? And I'm not talking bad about you behind your back. I'm just talking not good about you behind your back. And it's literally because you don't want to create more problems for yourself. I'm really like the best friend you could ever have. Um, can I just say something?

26:56 It's Rachel here. It's really [ __ ] hard in these moments not to speak how you feel. Thank you, Rachel. Rachel to the rescue. Yeah, cuz like I'm just being really [ __ ] honest right now because I understand that in a perfect world, we take the [ __ ] high road every minute of our lives and smile. And I've done that for a really long time. And I've worn feathered calf tans the entire [ __ ] time. And here's the thing. Amen, sister. SPEAK IT TO THE CHOIR. Dar [clears throat] just cheering before she even knows what she's gonna say. So Rachel has a big long monologue here about like divorced people. We have it rough. We go through every day going through pain and if we have something to say then we should have the right to say it and not be told to be quiet. I will not be silenced. And they're like damn.

27:55 AND LIKE THAT'S RIGHT SISTER. DO YOU HAVE A tambourine to give me? Like there's like [ __ ] moments when I'm just like like where you just need to vent. Like I think that like be like I just need to be just need to say my things to my people. I need to like cry into a poochie scarf, you know? And like I don't think like that you should do that or whatever. Like I don't want to be judged, okay? Cuz it's like our friends. And even if they feel that way sometimes, don't tell us that like right now because we feel so [ __ ] shitty like right now anyway. Yes. Yes. said that's all I'm saying. And Rachel's basically because there were like headlines about her and her divorce that day and she had wanted to keep it private, but it got out anyway, which by the way, once again, just goes to show you try to play nicy nicy and then guess what? The other side screws you over no matter what. So Rachel's like, "If you

28:48 can't like like be like open, if you can't vent and be like open and honest and vulnerable and like chic and truthful and authentic and like dead with your friends, then your and your people, then like I don't even know what a friendship even is." Oh, and boy the way honey, let me tell you one thing, Coyle. what you have kicked off and started is what's really going to come back and kick me in the ass. And Carl's like, "You need to calm down. What are you even mad at her? You You're mad at me. You're mad at her. You're mad at the situation. Like, what have I even done?

29:24 Like, you're not even mad at us. You're mad at your situation." And she said, "Oh." I was like, "So now you're going to do the same thing that S did. S. That's right. You're getting to cook me, son. S did this to me." Son's like, "What did I do? I'm Son Brown." Son Brown doesn't know anything. Okay, Sutton Brown just got here. Sutton Brown got a letter from the Pope telling her she had to change her name. That's all I know.

29:48 Sutton Brown's just at the end of the table just wide knuckling it while I look at everyone drink their second drink and I have to pretend like I don't drink that much anymore.

29:56 We see a flashback to you are not angry at me, you are angry at your life. And it's LIKE LIFE SUCKS right now and I've got zero tolerance for [ __ ] So, by the way, I agreed with what Sun said last year and I actually agree with what Kyle says this year. Dar is angry at her life right now and but also that's allowed. There's nothing right if you can't vent about your life in a space of like a very well moisturized person then like what are you friends? So Dar says I'm allowed to have emotions especially in these situations and Kyle's like yeah and I'm allowed to have emotions too and we're all allowed to have opinions about things. Okay. So now suddenly Kyle has backed off from um like, "Hey, I was just trying to help. I was just trying to say this." And now it's like we're allowed to have opinions. So Jar's like, "So should I be saying to you, calm down when you have emotions? What about that coil?" She's

30:50 like, "Um, you can if you feel that way." Crazy face. But I don't. Well, I mean, that doesn't mean I will. I mean, come on. And she's like, "But because you know, you know what, Coyle? It minimizes your feelings in the mines. Like, but um you seem very angry and aggressive right now. And um well, thank God when Rachel actually stepped in and took the bull pit, I'm shocked that that didn't land for you, Kyle. And you didn't say, "hm, you know what? Rachel has just become a preacher. Maybe it's me." D's right on this one, too. I love her.

31:26 She's like, "Look, the the the clothes rack over there in the corner who hasn't said anything all season long. finally speaks up and you still don't even listen to her.

31:37 Mrs. Roer finally came Mrs. Roer finally came un unmified to say something and you didn't even listen to that.

31:47 I'm so vulnerable over here. So Dar's like Coyle loves to talk about how she has no issues with Mo, not with finances or communication. So maybe that's why she's having such a difficult time understanding why I'm sharing what I'm going through. You know, PK is venting to his friends, Mo and all of his friends and family. Is he protecting me? Is he protecting me? And that's exactly right, cuz PK is definitely talking up a storm but

32:14 try to keep the children from me. Yeah. Um, so yeah, he is doing all of that. Well, it's not on TV, but it is in a way because he's going to tell Mauricio, and then Mauricio's saying it on TV to Kyle. So

32:27 yeah, you know, um, and Kyle's like, "Don't put words in my mouth." What words did I put in your mouth, Coy? Well, if you let people like if you keep saying like, um, it's it's we can't let people talk. I mean, let people [ __ ] talk. Why can't we talk then? And so Kyle's saying, you know, Mo's saying completely opposite things from what you're saying. Okay. And I didn't speak up that night at Tilly's on purpose cuz I don't want to be like, well, you know, I don't want to be standing up for PK. You know, I didn't see anything. I came to you later privately and I said I don't create more problems to yourself. And Dar just point she's like and Cathy's like I don't know what we're talking about but this is a fun dinner and Cal just goes grow up to read. Oh, is it okay? No, cuz I just want to make sure I'm giving you a chance to speak.

33:16 Is it okay? Cuz Dar's doing this whole thing where she's like I can't like she's she's acting like she's in Beetlejuice.

33:23 You can speak Coyle. You can speak. She's like, "Am I allowed to say something? I'm biting my tongue." Oh, come on, Dariq. Grow up. So Erica's like, "Kyle talking to Mauricio about Dar and PK is 100% keeping Kyle in the middle." Which is correct. And the best thing Kyle could do for she and Dar's friendship is to stay out of their divorce. I promise you, Kyle, the more you talk to Mauricio about Dar and PK, the worse it's going to be for you and Dar. And Erica knows this.

33:54 Erica has eye makeup today. It's like multiple like colors of silver overlapping on her eyes and it looks like when you start unrolling a tin of anchovies.

34:05 I don't know how else to explain it, but I was like, "Wow, I can't stop." Every time they showed it, I was like, "Why? Why do her eyes look like anchovi tins?

34:13 Why?" It was cool, though. That whatever technique that was. I hope everyone starts doing it.

34:21 How sophisticated. Can we have some wine and get some crackers? Should we call Alice and Roman?

34:25 It's like you have a robot and you can't get their eyes open, so you just start kind of jamming like trying to roll them roll back the metal. Oh, girl, trust me, girl.

34:34 Yes. Yes, D. I mean, yes, Erica with the sardine 10 eyes. Hello there. I'm Bosema and I'm here as well. I believe that Kyle has your best interest at heart. What you are saying is you are willing to assume the risk of speaking publicly about what is happening and everyone has to accept that. It's like thank you Bose. Darit's not an idiot. She knows when she says this stuff on camera. She's aware she's not dumb and she's chosen this path. Oh wait a second. Natalie Fuller has something to say.

35:03 I can't believe somebody just said Darit's not dumb. She's still an idiot but she's not dumb. I mean I mean I know we're I know we're on Dar's side today but come on.

35:14 Um it's a wacky Friday if we just it's a crazy Friday and yeah Natalie's down at the end of table. She's like wow really good birthday party. Am I right? Be quiet Natalie.

35:25 No you just got here. You just got here. Just go away. You already had your I came on the massage table scene. Okay.

35:31 Natalie Fuller more like Natalie emptier of content. So Erica is like the you can take that publish that put that as a pull bro for this podcast the funniest podcast in the podcast sphere of wine such as Natalie Fuller more like Natalie emptier of content

35:49 Eric gee that was hilarious I laughed I cried it WAS BETTER THAN CATS [screaming]

35:56 WHICH PK ate Erica says but no one here at the table wants anything bad to happen to you except for Kyle of us. And so goes, "Exactly, but I don't believe I don't believe it. I don't believe it." K's like, "Do you think that my saying that that is because I cared about you? Do you remember your house that day when I said, "Hey, wait. Can I do it again, guys? Can I do it again?" Do you remember?

36:20 Oh, no. I only get the echo once. Okay, fine. [gasps] Cole, shut up now. You shut up. You shut up. Do you remember?

36:28 You remember? So, she's like, "Shut up for two seconds." And they're talking over each other. And Erica's like, "Dor, come on. Erica, stop it. I mean it here." She like, "No, I'm not going to stop it. You guys are friends. You guys are on a way to repair things. I know you're upset, but come on." No, you listen. I don't want either of you telling me what I should or shouldn't do. I'd love for Erica to chime in and say, "Coyle, that's not cool." Or, "Cyle, that's not cool." Or, um, wait, let me try her voice. Wow, that's not cool. I was like, whoa. She did like a perfect Erica voice. She did. She did.

37:07 She did. Uh, that's not cool. When things are happening in my life, I showed up to Till's very broken. Very, very broken. Do you want me to show up pretending like everything is fine, Kyle? Do you? I have a fundamental problem with them referring to Jennifer Tilly as Tilly or every time they refer to her house as Tilly's only because all I can think about is the stupid store. Me too. You know, sells like skating shorts and everything like like stuff for twins. And I I like it she just has to be referred to as either Jennifer or Jennifer Tilly. But like every time they're like when we had that conversation at Tilly's as we were looking at surfboards and hoodies with graphic designs

37:51 I specifically remember being in parachute pants at Tilly's talking about this when I was looking at checkerboard vans at Tilly's I felt Kyle you're not supporting me

38:02 and then I remember saying whatever happened to Gaduks um hi Amanda Francis here it's clear to me based on some of the dynamics tonight that this is a communication style that I'm very not used to. I mean, even had I not been it had not been the anniversary of Zion's death, which by the way, it's the 5day anniversary of that night.

38:24 I still would have me crazy. She is so ridiculous. What is I mean I still like is this what is how do you describe this therapized sort of talk this therapy talk that she that she speaks in? This is something that like the there's got to be a better way to call it than therapy talk, right? Like it's like a formalized it's not nonsense talk, but the way she uses it, it just feels

38:53 it's like pop psychology Instagram meme talk, you know? It's like everything she says could be words over a really hot guy in underwear being like, "Yeah, I had my protein today."

39:05 Yeah. Because like the concepts are not they're not like unound in terms of sense of like it's good to it is good in life to draw boundaries. It is important to have things like selfcare. I don't know but like the way she uses them as like an escape valve or escape hatch out of a tough situation is just like hilarious to me. And like

39:25 yeah so she's like well even if it hadn't been Zion's death anniversary I still would not have appreciated being approached that way. And both was like, "Okay, well, here's the thing, Amanda. You can't be in charge of how people want to respond, and so that's an adult thing to understand." I was like, "Oh, that's an adult thing to understand." And everybody's face like pulled back like "Damn

39:48 that moment needs to be getting more attention by people because that was that was such a read in that moment. Like for her to say that's an adult thing to understand was so brilliant." Yeah. And Amanda's like, "But like you don't ever set boundaries with people around how they can and can't speak to you." And she's like, "Well, how am I going to enforce that? That sounds crazy. You can't walk around the planet thinking everyone's going to agree with you." She's like, "In my 40 years of life," which is just a reminder that I'm younger than all of you old bitties, I have never left a dinner party crying.

40:20 I'm like, "Well, have you been living?" No kidding. What kind of life do you lead? I'm not even on these shows. I've left plenty of dinner parties crying. Of course, it's usually over like a lack of some kind of a dessert or having to do all the dishes by myself or something like that, but still movie.

40:38 Oh, and so so she says, "I've never left a dinner party crying." And then Dar out of nowhere goes, "But I thought you ran away from a cult."

40:48 Did you not have dinner parties to cry at in the cult? Weren't you in some sort of crying dinner party cult?

40:58 Because I've seen the documentary on Nixium and I specifically remember people crying after dinner. I watched that one, what was it called? Wild Wild West where they all went up to the mountains and had dinner and cried afterwards. You know, caught things. [gasps]

41:13 Clearly remember ladies in Ludaro leggings crying over [ __ ] after dinner parties. H

41:20 but aren't you in aren't you a member of Scienty? Get it? If you think about it as word play.

41:29 Shut up, Emptier. I'm not listening to you, Natalie. That's the last That's the last time I used one of your jokes. She sent it to me in a little piece of paper folded up in the shape of a vagina.

41:42 So, the music gets really tense and Amanda's like, "Um, yeah, I did run away from a cult." And Erica's like, "De, we're not supposed to bring up people's cult belongings at dinner. Come on. I'm I'm Erica Jade and even I know that. Come on, D.

41:58 Dear, that's supposed to be for a different dinner party. Come on. You're turning through our content.

42:03 No, I'm just curious. Which is a funny way, by the way, that is a funny um call back to Amanda being like, "Well, I mean, why couldn't you been curious about me? Why couldn't you been curious instead of being aggressive?" So, she's like, "No, I'm being curious."

42:19 Yeah, I did leave a call. I mean, it just doesn't sound right. Dit. And Amanda's like, "What does a cult have to do with anything? This [clears throat] woman disrespected me." And on the anniversary of my son's death, I can't.

42:32 She needs to I can't. Why are you making me laugh? This is I know. This is something that is so heartless to even be laugh when someone says that there should be no laughter even near the room. So, it's not even making fun of that. It's just that she's w she's just so blatantly and grossly wielding it as a weapon at this point. Yeah. That's just so gross. Um, we're laughing at the gross personality trait of the person, not the son dying. So, she's like,

42:57 by the way, this this I'm sorry, but this sentence is also wild. This woman disrespected me and my son on the anniversary of his death, and now she wants to bring up that I'm in a cult.

43:10 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay, I might be heartless for laughing at the ridiculousness of that all. So, now what? You got me. I'm heartless. This is hilarious. What? What? What? How are these words all being put together in a in a cohesive sentence?

43:26 Totally. She's just scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything she thinks is going to make me look bad. And Jennifer Tilly's like, "Oh, a cult. What kind of a cult? Now we're talking." And Amanda's like, "Um, that's a whole different story. Okay, we can go into it if you want." And Jennifer tells us, "Oh, yeah. I knew she was in a cult. I googled Amanda just like I googled everybody in this group. I mean I know the history of Amanda. It's all out there. It's on Reddit. Even the people in the group that are saying I never Google any.

43:58 Please you Google people. It's like Megan Markle saying that she never googled Prince Harry before. Girl, please stop. Megan, just stop.

44:09 Megan Markle catching a stray out of nowhere. That was so funny. Like so Dar is like so you sort of maintain what you've live that you've lived a life where there's and summer's like um intense reactions have happened. I mean I'm not summer. I mean Amanda you're saying if you were in a cult intense Oh no summer. It is summer.

44:34 Summer it is summer. Yeah summer jumps in. I forgot that summer was there. I was like summer jumps in because Dar can't quite make her point of why she brought it up now. And so Summer helps her out. She's like, "So, yeah, like intense interactions have happened. You know, you're saying if you were in a cult, then intense interactions would be happening, so you would be used to intense interactions now, right, Dar?" She's like, "Well, I don't really know who this woman from someplace else is. I forgot your name here, but I would imagine that there's far worse you've experienced than what happened the OTHER NIGHT. FAR, FAR, [screaming] FAR WORSE."

45:10 And by the way, I do enjoy your work, Carol. Um, so Amanda's like, [clears throat]

45:15 "Can we please order Amanda some Kool-Aid to drink? She loves ghouls." So Amanda's like, "Um, I'm not saying it's the worst thing that ever happened to me. I, you know, I just I woke up.

45:27 You said it was the worst thing that happened to you in 40 years of life." Okay, let me finish without accosting me. Okay, let me finish.

45:34 Knock knock knocking on Heaven Gates door. Am I right? Um, I'm just going to ignore that. Okay, cuz the cult is very serious. I woke up about every 30 minutes all night long with my heart beating so fast. Like so fast. And my body interpreted that evening as a psych physiological threat. Girl, you just had some really salty food. It's called blood pressure. Bose goes "Girl he's so funny. My heart was beating fast, though. I woke up every 30 minutes with my heart beating fast." And Amanda's like, "Why are you shaking your head at that?" like well I mean your expectations of not having confrontation in the way that you don't like is unrealistic like that's true that is true I can't stand people who get confronted by who try to act try to control the way people confront them anyway right so should we roll the footage from about four or five years ago on this show

46:28 no kidding so you need to understand that and you need to accept that like um but there can be disagreements without conflict and they all start laughing and Eric's going Oh, no they can't. No, they can't.

46:39 No, but you disagree and like you sit and you speak about it. Like you have the intention to like really hear each other and there's not a huge conflict and the music gets really tense and both just goes, "Girl, what are you talking about?

46:53 How in this human experience, what fantasy world is Amanda living in?" Because in this reality, we've got to have real conversations that push edges, that address conflict, that make us uncomfortable. Because I don't know any world in which Amanda thinks that she's the sole power to be able to control how people feel.

47:11 Seriously, can we get this girl some salad dressing? Maybe a side of ranch devidian. Did you say ranch devidian? Guys, guys, we cannot control how people speak to us or how people react to us. Like, I'm dead. Trying to control people, that's bananas. We can only control how we react to other things and how we react to news that Raj later divorced the papers. Like, and trust me, if I could control people, how people [ __ ] speak to me, like life would be like so much [ __ ] different. Oh my god, I'm like so vulnerable right now.

47:52 Hallelujah. You really are a preacher today. Preach it, Rachel. Preach it. The sentence the sentence just like well how did how Dar spoke to her wasn't even that bad. I mean it's Dar and Rachel's like no like look I know verbal assaults. I know TMZ assaults. I know Daily Mel assaults. I know general like paparazzi assault. They're behind the tree right now. Please stop looking at me. I'm feeling things on television. So like I get it and it's really really hard. You guys listen. I'm in a really vulnerable state right now. Hold on.

48:27 I've got aviators. She puts her glasses on and starts crying. [ __ ] fire. I'm sorry for raising my voice, everyone. I know. I'm out of control right now. I'm so sorry. Oh my god. I know. I can't stop screaming. I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm out of [ __ ] control. I'm so vulnerable and dead with vulnerability. I'm a big banana and I'm out of control.

48:47 Like you guys, I'm like trying to come from a place of like being grateful. I mean, I have adorable sons, even though one really likes ebikes. And like, it's great. I'm rich. Like, I have Chanel. Like, I look at the Chanel on my closet and I'm like, at least that makes me smile. But it's like really hard, you guys, to hear people judging people when I am sitting here in feathers.

49:10 I really try to stay in gratitude and strength all the time. And sometimes it just causes a strength crack. And you know what I say that crack? I say basta basta crack get out of here basta. [clears throat]

49:25 Oh my god. Are you crying? Let me see your eyes. Let me see them. Oh no, she's crying. Look what you did, Amanda.

49:33 Look what you did to Rachel Zo. She was just about to eat her first piece of lettuce.

49:39 This woman has felt nothing in public for 20 years. Look what you did to her. It's funny because Rachel Zo basically says the same stuff that Amanda's saying when Rachel Zo is like I just try to stay in a place of gratitude and forgiveness. It's like she's just you speaking in the same way as Amanda, but like with Rachel Zo I'm like yeah sure. So it's like for all the stoicism, for all the professionalism, for all the extensions in her hair, for all the fabulosity, she is human. She's just a regular lady who can't figure out a kaleidoscope. And so the divorce is going to cut real deep for her. So now Rachel and Bose and Dar all go outside so Rachel can cry. And Rachel is saying, "I'm so sick of holding [ __ ] together all the time." Oh, okay. Well, you don't have to hold anything, honey. You don't.

50:30 You don't have to. I mean, it's like I've been listening to [ __ ] Amanda. It's like anything I said in honesty is like going to [ __ ] blow up in my face. Like [ __ ] And I'm like, you know what? like the the way that they're judging Dar like they're judging me too, you know, and it's not okay. Like I was with a guy named Roger with a D and I'm not okay with that. And I'm going to say it and that is my right. Yeah. Like I can't [ __ ] take the high road every minute of my life. Like sometimes I have to take a slightly less high road, you know? But you don't have to. Like it's like sometimes like you just [ __ ] need a break. And I break in my closet. And I break in my bathroom. And I break in my bathroom that's in my closet cuz I actually love my closet so much. I have a little bathroom on the side, but I never do anything bad in there because like who would want to go bathroom in their

51:16 closet, right? But I like look in the mirror there. It's like amazing. And it's like I call my cry bathroom. It's like I break I break to my sister. I break to my Chanel. I I just I break to the bottle of moisturizer that I know that Kais is going to use when he goes to camp. Like it's like I break all the time, guys. You guys, I make like a hundred decisions a day between my life, my kids life, my work life. Like, at some point, you're just like paralyzed. You're like paralyzed. You're paralyzed with exhaustion. You're paralyzed with feathers. You're just [ __ ] paralyzed.

51:49 And I'm sick of it. And sometimes you just got to break in your closet. Just at least surround yourself with Chanel cuz at least that makes me smile still. I'm breaking. I'm breaking. And this is when I was like, "Okay, she's perfect for this show." You know, maybe there were some reservations at the beginning, but the fact that she came in here and took this argument that had nothing to do with her at all, and now the whole scene is about Rachel outside crying in feathers and aviators. I was like, "Yes, welcome. Welcome, my dear."

52:17 It was great. It was Here's what I liked about it. I liked everything you just said. I liked also that when she said the stuff about like, "I'm so [ __ ] sick and tired of taking the high road." I thought that was actually kind of great as great too. That was like great advice for that moment. And also, I do love that Rachel is quietly carving out a cool click in this group. It's like her, Dar, and Bose. And this is going I think this is going to lead to some really interesting tension because Kyle has always been the alpha and she's been the queen. But I think Rachel Rachel is is the new is like low-key a new alpha.

52:52 Sort of the way that Yolanda was too. Like she comes from fashion. She has real celebrity and she's going to have her own draw. And I think that there's going to be um like a like a power uh balance dynamic that's going to happen.

53:09 Yeah, she just came in and took it over effortlessly, which I really liked because yeah, it's usually people kissing Kyle's butt or trying to like tiptoe around Kyle and she didn't. And she's really coming for Kyle here because she's saying Amanda, you know, Amanda's saying all this stuff, but the one who's fighting about it at the table is Kyle. So she's basically saying, you know, you tell people to shut up about their divorces and you're basically telling a woman to shut up. Like how much do we have to So she's basically like, [ __ ] off, Kyle. You know, she's not saying that right now, but the lines are drawn.

53:39 Mhm. Exactly. So like, and then you're judged and you shouldn't be breaking like, "Oh my god, it's going to come back and bite you in the Yeah, but you know what? [ __ ] you." Yeah, that's what I say. Yes. [ __ ] you. That's great.

53:56 Wait, what did I do? Wait, what did I do? No, I was just repeating what you said. Oh, okay. Cuz I was about to break and I don't do that often.

54:03 I'm vulnerable. I'm really vulnerable at this like little table out by the sidewalk. It's like a lot. Well, then why are we worried about the judgment? God forbid. You actually don't hold together everything every [ __ ] two seconds. Yes. Yes. You don't have to. You don't have to tell me. I know that. I live it. That's what I always l you know it's hard enough to go through a separation divorce grief and hold it together. And I had to put on a brave face for my daughter while I grieved for her father. That's right, Amanda. My card is coming soon. You just wait. Say talk about your child one more time. I'm going to bring out the big guns. But for me, a lot of the outlet was having my friends who would not judge me, who allowed me to cry, who allowed me to scream, and who also gave me the grace to be able to do it in a way that was comfortable for me. So Kyle's like, um, it's just like one step forward, two

54:48 steps back. It's like right now, like I just can't deal. Like, God, am I DJ Scott Cat now? Am I right, guys?

54:57 So, she's saying like, I'm trying to help my friend and she's in a negative place and I just can't do this with Tariq. Like, if she's going to act like this and I just can't do it, I need to see I need to see her change. And so now the waiters come over with the birthday cakes because let's not forget this is a double birthday party for Erica and Dar. M. So, um, Jennifer is like, "Oh, wait, wait, wait. Put it back in the kitchen. Put it back in the kitchen. The girls aren't here yet." Kyle's like, "No, I want to eat."

55:24 She's like, "Oh, okay. Well, I'll get her." This, I think, was this was so mean. See, this is Dar's birthday, and Kyle's like, "No, she's basically saying she went outside to have a moment so she doesn't get to be there for her own cake to be like for the candles come out." Like I just thought that was like

55:42 this is why Kyle's not a girl's girl, you know? Look, she she like would not make she would not let the cakes wait for the birthday girl to come back.

55:53 Yeah. And so Erica's like, "Well, I hated this night to be honest. It was annoying. I was looking cute." So outside Jennifer comes and she's like, "Well, hello. It's me, your human tortilla warmer. Listen, this is probably the wrong time, but Kyle brought out the cakes and she wants you to come blow out your cake.

56:15 And Rachel's like, "Yeah, no. I mean, I love everybody at the table, but no. I mean, cake's disgusting anyway. Who does that?" You know what I'm doing today? I'm breaking and I'm saying, "Fuck you, cake." There, I said it. Yeah. It's like I'm having I'm already having my own cake. It's a cake of vulnerability cuz I'm like so vulnerable right now and I'm like breaking in the cake. I'm a cake breaker. So,

56:37 so meanwhile inside they just sing without Darede there and then everybody leaves. Everybody starts leaving and uh Rachel's still crying outside. She's like, I wanted a hot girl summer and I'm not getting it. Well, we learned later what this really means is I decided to roll the dice and not spend the summer in the Hamptons or in Europe. I decided to stay here in LA and it's not working out very well for me. I wish I were in the Hamptons or

57:03 I know. I love when she expands on her trauma. She's like, "Oh my god, I'm not in the Hamptons right now. It's really hard

57:10 eating at like some restaurant in the valley and like crying by the valet stand. Like this is not hot girl summer for me." Like [snorts] rubbing.

57:19 Um, so now we go to Dar's house. It's another day and uh she is uh she's working on her book and she has her laptop on the sofa in front of her. This is how we know she's not really writing because who spent who writes their book by leaning over on their laptop on the sofa. She's like she's like here's the story of my life. One time I came into the kitchen and there were two fewer Pringles than what I'd remembered and I thought gee that's not going to be a problem. But later on I would realize it was a harbinger of something terrible happening in my marriage.

57:52 It was very like improv bad improv scene of somebody trying to write. She's just like sitting with her computer doing this with her hands. It's like dear dear people listening reader dear reader it's me Dit or as you might know me dit I remember as a little girl in Francisan thinking about all the dreams I had of coming to a miracle land and read just be quiet do you you ain't writing this book

58:20 it was like sucks in the city she's like I couldn't help but wonder when we go through a divorce are we divorcing the man or the man divorcing Like that's not very deep to me.

58:31 No, but think about I knew a man named Mr. Big. I tried to make him Mr. Lesbig, but he wouldn't let go of the jeeps.

58:39 Now we just call him Mr. Diabetes. He broke up with me on a on a postage a postage diabetes. It was very terrible. So then we go to Bose's house and uh her daughter is getting her driver's license or she just got it. So they're all wearing t the family is there and they family and friends. They've all got t-shirts with a driver's license on it. They're like, "Oh my god, you guess what? You get a t-shirt and you also get a Maserati." So she's gotten her first uh car for her kid. $110,000.

59:16 Holy [ __ ] Le sounds like a great kid. L is probably one of the best kids on this show right now. Let's be honest. But that we start our children off with a Honda Civic, okay? What is going on with this Maserati? Okay, this $110,000 Maserati. No,

59:35 you need the equivalent of a bumper car for your child's first car. I don't care how responsible your child is. That car needs to be able to be wrecked. Okay. $110,000. Oh my god. Good luck getting an oil change on that thing.

59:51 Yeah, the first time she makes a right turn onto Mel Rose, there is going to be a ding and a dent. I'm going to say that right now.

59:58 You're going to go [clears throat] get your oil changed. It's going to cost you an arm and a leg. Literally. Literally. Okay,

1:00:04 speaking of legs, Amanda is at home on a Pilates machine and her kids keep wandering up to her and she's like, "Hi, sweet thing. Hi. Hi, Kanan. Hi. I'm doing Mom is doing Pilates. Yeah, hi sweet." I was like, "Oh my god, get me away from this lady right now. And then

1:00:19 so then we show up at a horror movie set. I'm not really sure what this place is supposed to be, but it's a wedding venue for Kyle's kid. Yikes. It's What are you guys doing? I would not want to go there. It looks scary. It's felt very rustic. In fact, Kyle says, "Oh my god, this is super rustic." So, uh, Kyle and Jan, who's like her friend or assistant, come up this like showcase,

1:00:43 if you will, friend ploy to meet this lady, Chloe, who is like a creative director and the and there's Nicole, who's a wedding planner. And Chloe's like, "Welcome. It's a special place. We're just saying you don't even feel like you're in LA at all. I mean, who wants to be in LA, right? Just full of disgusting, fake, stupid people clinging on to their childhood successes of being on stupid shows like Little House in the Prairie. Am I right?" And K's like, "Um, uh, okay." It's what she loves about it, though. Uh, so,

1:01:11 well, the scenery is beautiful. It's like at the at the top of the hills. I mean, it's very gorgeous around there. But the actual place is like this rustic kind of cabin thing, and then they go inside and there's just like scarves thrown over things as decorate. You know, like hippie scarves thrown over them. What is this place? How could you be looking at the china you were looking at and then having this be the wedding place? This looks like a Manson, Speaking of Colts, this looks like a Manson family set. Like, don't get out.

1:01:40 Run. Yeah. So, Cal's like, um, well, she was going to get married in Aspen, but it was like too complicated for a multitude of reasons. Basically, Bravo was like, we're not going to pay to move everyone there to film the wedding. So, uh, she wanted something with this vibe. So, you know, rustic and ranch vibes. Kind of like I guess what's the word that I would use? Poor poor vibes. So, like that. You did a really good job with that.

1:02:02 Chloe's like, "We have alpacas." Oh, great. Multiple animals [ __ ] That's great. That's great for a wedding.

1:02:09 Yeah. Pooping alpacas. Don't they spit at you, too? Although, I love an alpaca. I'll say I do love an alpaca, but I love more a homegoods alpaca. You know, like the stuffed ones or the statue ones or the lamps. The lamp one. I think the real ones they spit at you or something.

1:02:26 They do. I have a picture of one spitting at my friend Jane. Uh basically um I went with uh Michelle Collins. Michelle Collins and I and Jane. We went up to my friend's place and my friend had had like a little alpaca farm. And so I took a picture with the alpaca and then Michelle took a picture of the alpaca and we're like, "Jane, take a picture of the alpaca." And Jane was like, "I don't want to take a picture of the alpaca." Like go take a picture. So Jane's like, "Okay, fine." So Jane went up to the alpaca and just [clears throat] as I snapped the picture, the alpaca spat in her face and you literally see her hair being blown back.

1:03:01 It was like I got the exact shot of Jane getting spat on by the alpaca in her face.

1:03:07 Well, may Kyle be so lucky to get that picture at this wedding. So they're kind of looking at it and the daughter comes, Alexia comes like, "Hey mom, that's a play. Really cool play." They're making fun of her for sending her invites out via paperless post and Kyle's like, "Oh my god, Kathy won't even know what that is." Like, she's not even going to see the invitation.

1:03:29 Yeah, that's crazy. So, guess who walks up? Bravo's favorite. What's the equivalent of like a photo bomber, but like with TV shows? TV bomber.

1:03:38 Teeth bomber. Hey, it's Mauricio. Hey, this is not going to be the last time you'll see me here on Bravo today. Get ready for the valley Persian style. Oh my god, this is amazing. I love it. Oh, we're gonna be partying all night in this room. It's just going to be me with a bunch of bracelets and a necklace and an earring djing and hanging out with hot girls. Right guys?

1:03:59 Hey, guess what? I've got news. Not only am I going to be on Bravo 18 times this week, but I'm a DJ now. So, line up, ladies. Line up.

1:04:09 Get ready. I love DJing. Yeah. Um, well, now dad's taking DJ lessons, so that's great. He's taking DJ lessons. I can't. I didn't even know DJ lessons were a thing. Don't you have a YouTube? God, the DJ lessons in LA must just be a bunch of 50-year-old dudes with really bright teeth. Like, yeah. Hey, match that beat, baby.

1:04:32 Yeah. Who wants to hear some Rob Thomas and Santana, guys? Here we go. I want to do some Buffett but mixed with Charlie X. Whatever. Let's do it. Here's some uh uh Trio Lipa along with a remix of uh of uh Dave Matthews, so get ready everyone. Ants marching remix Mauricio remix. Uh so it's really awkward. And he's like, well, you know, I'm I'm a guy. I've got some time on my hands. So I was like, why not take up a new hobby? You know, I was taking up new hobbies last year, but they were all so young that Kyle got mad at me for dating them. So, what are you going to do? You know,

1:05:16 I was like, um, we already have enough rumors about you going through a midlife crisis. Do you have to add fuel to the fire? I mean, his DJ name is going to be Momentum. And she laughs, but I'm like, is she making fun of him or is he really going to be called Momentum? Because

1:05:27 I know I for me. I know. I actually believe it. Yeah. Uh, so they look at the venue. Um, I really don't care about this wedding, so I'm going to skip through it. So, if there's anything you want to talk about, go for it. I'll support you.

1:05:40 Nope. just that Mauricio was there and he's that was it. Mauricio's the DJ. I think we I think we extracted the uh juice from that uh fruit. Okay, so we're at Kathy's house now. And Kathy is Good Lord. I mean, she's being waxed over. She's being emoliated. She's getting all the fluids sucked out of her

1:06:01 and reput with other fluids. Her face looks complete. I don't know if it's been scrubbed. I don't know. It's very smooth. It's pulled. Her lips are pulled so far back that she looks crazy. And the little these little frown line things are going like this. They're making like a mustache thing. And I'm just saying all that to point out that I [ __ ] love this woman and she needs to always stay on the TV. I know. She's great. So, um, Rachel comes over. She's like, "Honey, I'm home and I'm vulnerable." And Kathy's like, "Oh my god, are you going to get a drip or a shot?" No, I'll do a shot. Like I don't do drips. I don't have good veins. My veins broke. They're They're just broke. My veins are crying right now. Kathy's like a very unique person in some ways. She like reminds me of my mother. Just so sweet and supportive. Like I can't like I can't like I remember dinner a dinner party being like where's Kathy? And she was

1:06:57 like on the table. And like one of the girls was like she's at she's at the caviar. Remember like a few days ago she like ate the caviar that I put out. Like was that like not the most funniest story? Like oh my god. Wait, hold on. Let me call my son. Hey Kai, Kathy Hilton came over. I put out caviar and then she ate it. I know. Hilarious.

1:07:14 She got a little bit on her dress. I mean icon. Like would anyone but Kathy Hilton get caviar in the dress? Like seriously dead and dead than that fish egg.

1:07:24 So dead. And then like we serve dinner afterwards and she's like I can't even eat dinner because I ate so much caviar. I was like iconic. Dead. Hilarious. So Kathy's like, "I was really worried about you the other night." Yeah, it was interesting. Like basically I saw Page Six. I saw US Weekly. I was even on Netflix. Like I turned on Netflix and they were like, "Have you watched Rachel Zo getting divorced?" I mean, what the [ __ ] Kathy? Like I can't I'm like what's happening? Like in my mind I'm like I'm doing this as meditation, Kathy in intentionally intentionality quietly like so it doesn't happen and my kids don't have to hear. I mean even though my kids wake up and I'm like good morning kids. her father [ __ ] sucks.

1:08:04 Get out of bed. I just don't want Kais and Sky to find out. I'm like really upset. So then the um the uh the nurse comes in to administer shots and everything. We're like, "Sorry, sorry. I just have bad bins. Bad Vans. Just pass it along. Just let everyone know. Rachel's always got bad bins. Just

1:08:21 we're doing we're doing Niogen today. Niggen Ivy. I have to look that up. What does that do?"

1:08:28 I don't know cuz I can't get it cuz I got bad bins. But honestly, Kathy, while Ronnie looks this up, let me tell you something. I just was like not myself to begin with. And then I was like down at the end of the table like with the stupid people, you know, and like that was weird. And Dar's like getting judged for breaking up this group. And I think it's just like a breaking point for me because I need to know that I'm like not being judged cuz I can't be judged. Do you know some people have judged me for my bad veins? It's bananas.

1:08:55 I like have no veins. Like seriously, I don't even know if I have any blood. So, I don't want to be judged. And Kathy's like, I think what I'm hearing is that you want some support. It's like, yeah, I want support. So, what I'm saying is like, guys, you judging me? Are you judging me right now? Like, am I not safe to speak freely here? Nothing had to do with you, Rachel. None of this had to do with you.

1:09:18 And she's on like her second day now. She's like, I cannot. These [ __ ] are judging me, Kathy. I don't think it's that we don't want or value other people's opinions. I just think everyone in this group, whether they agree or not with how she's handling it, they just need to be like here and they just need to hold her and cheer for her. I wish I could do that, but I have bad veins, which means my arms basically don't work. They're just like two floppy ropes. But for

1:09:43 Kathy, like what I'm saying is like I really miss my family right now. Like, you want to borrow Kim?

1:09:48 No, please. Hey Rachel. Do you know sometimes I get in the car and Carly Simon comes on and I just weep because when she says you're so vain, I'm like, "No, I have bad veins."

1:10:04 Hey, why is the coat rack talking about Carly Simon? All right, Kim, go back to your box.

1:10:11 Was coming around again, Michael. See you in the next Halloween. Oh, wow. Didn't even understand that. You know, Kathy, maybe you'll understand. You know, I'm always in the Hamptons all summer and in Europe and the Hamptons and Europe at the same time. Half of me is in one place, half is in the other. It's somehow an optical illusion that I'm

1:10:27 My body is in the Hamptons, but my veins are in Europe. But like obviously working all like in LA this summer. And by working I mean shooting this TV show with stupid people. It's just like new for me. Like it's weird. Like it just feels like everyone left and I'm just stuck here in like the length of the table and I'm just like I'm broken. I'm breaking in LA.

1:10:48 Do you think it's affecting your mental health? She goes, "It is like actually like I need to like laugh. I mean that's what you do in the Hamptons. I need to like be in the Hamptons. I need to like laugh and you know like I mean I know and have a hot girl summer." Yeah. I mean look it's not the south of France but like it's as close as we're going to get right now and like meanwhile like what are we doing here? This like the street that has no names. Like people are even here in the summer. Like this is crazy. I feel like I'm in purgatory.

1:11:14 Kathy, help me. Did you know there's like a thing called the Hollywood Bowl and it happens like all night during the summer and there's like traffic? Like it's crazy this city in the summer. I've never even seen it before. I'm not

1:11:25 I mean we bowl here in the summer. I can't. Why is everyone lining up to go bowling in Hollywood? Silly. So then we go to Bose's and um we have Ben's favorite. What's happening with the IVF, guys? So Bose is doing her scene. We just saw this on Married to Medicine with Quad and um she's doing her scene where she finds out how many eggs she got, how many eggs built houses or whatever it's called and the eggs did not build houses which is really sad. This really bugs me though this story line and it's because I really like Bose a lot and I hate her saying things like she said here where she's like but what about Keely? How am I going to keep Key? I just it bugs me.

1:12:09 Yeah, that's that that's my thing. Like it really I hate that there's this sense of like oh if I can't provide a baby for Keely like where do we go from here? It's like it's like no no like that's okay. Like, you know, obviously you want to have this idea of what you want to have for your future, but like if he can't love you without a baby, then maybe

1:12:33 I think it's fair for somebody to want a baby, you know? Like, if Keely wants a baby, that's totally fair. But don't date a 50-year-old person and then pressure them into having a baby or you're out of there. [ __ ] you. You waited forever, too. It's not like

1:12:45 you, you know, it's not like you made this decision in the right time either. So, [ __ ] off. And I don't like seeing her talk like that, you know, getting so almost insecure. And I also don't like the whole I'm having a baby for a man kind of thing. Like this will fix it. It just it's giving me icky vibes.

1:13:02 Well, I don't think there's anything wrong where like if you love someone and and you know this is something that would make them happy that you want to do something cuz you love, you know, that's I think actually one of the weird things about love is that you actually want to do things for other people, you know. But what I don't like is the doubt that like if I can't do this then like you know what might happen. It's like that should not be the issue here and that that's that to me is very sad.

1:13:29 Well I think having kid you know and she I guess she wants to have kids too I guess but it just seems like she wants to have kids for the guy and I just I want that's how it's better for her. Yeah it's coming off that way. Maybe she can clarify on the reunion or something, but it's coming off like like she's doing it purely for him and that if she doesn't do it for him, then their relationship may not survive. And I think that's that's shitty. But now we go over to Jade in Beverly Hills.

1:13:56 Well, it didn't work, by the way. It didn't it the baby the uh eggs weren't I don't know what they call viable.

1:14:04 They didn't Yeah, they weren't viable. And so she's like, well, you know, um she cries and which is heartbreaking. And then she's like, you know, I mean, I'm almost 50 and we've got to think about kind of the reality of this, you know, and I don't know that I'm really ready to go. And he's like, oh no, let's talk about that later as we go through the process again, okay? We're going to be going through round two. And I was I just didn't like that. Like,

1:14:29 yeah, I don't like it. Like, we'll think about it later. I'm like, stop. Just stop.

1:14:32 Yeah, we'll think about it while you're going through the next round. That's his

1:14:36 taking a toll on her emotionally and physically. It's a lot. And she's gonna do all the she has to do all the hard work here. He has to just sit there.

1:14:45 Yeah. So, uh, now we go to this restaurant where, um, Rachel and Sutton and Dar arrive and Rachel's like, "Guys, do I look like I slept one hour?" Because I did. I slept one hour. I kept getting woken up in the middle of the night with my veins. They were They were trying to fight someone cuz they're bad. They're bad veins.

1:15:08 No, you don't. first of all, where did you go? And Sutton's like, wait, oh, she's telling Sutton like, where did you go, Sutton? And Sutton goes, where did I go? What are you talking about? And then we see a flashback of Dar saying, well, I've heard it said behind your back. You're judging me. And she says, you know, Sutton's the one who told me Amanda was talking behind my back. And she's the one that started the [ __ ] show. And then she didn't even say anything at the dinner.

1:15:31 Mhm. And Son's like, well, you know what? Like, let me tell you what she said about you. She's concerned that you're talking too much about the divorce and then it might come back to bat you. Um so Dar's like but instead of calling Amanda out for lying, she was radio silent and um you know we sudden's like but you're very strong and you fought your own battles well and honestly I was just just trying to see count to count to 135 and before I got my next beverage. Okay. So I really wasn't listen what anyone else was saying.

1:16:05 Uh, yes, but I didn't want you to fight my battles. Not at all, son. Not at all. Which I'm saying to your face when by your back I'm saying she should have fought me battles. And Rachel's like, "Right, right." Well, she had an opinion and she said her opinion and that's that. And so then we see um a flashback to the, you know, did she say he's a raging alcoholic or didn't she? And Amanda is saying, "Well, I mean, if it's true, she can say that." She goes, "But maybe you shouldn't say that about the father of your children."

1:16:36 Well, I thought that that was clear that she had an opinion. Well, was it a loud and strong opinion? Cuz she basically is playing down like, "Dar, you're taking this too far. This was nothing, though. This like a nothing thought." Yeah. Well, she had her own opinion about it cuz they're talking about Amanda, obviously. Amanda and Kyle. And Rachel's like, "Yeah, but I have to say it was pretty [ __ ] ballsy to punt it to Kyle last night." I'm like, it wasn't that ballsy. It was like a pretty pretty obvious thing to do. I think that's like what you do like when you're you're taking getting [ __ ] for stuff that style Kyle started. So, I mean, let Kyle deal with it.

1:17:15 Yeah. I mean, I think it was pretty ballsy to like kind of go against Kyle and be like, Kyle did it when that's your only friend on the show.

1:17:22 And Rachel's like, well, I mean, like when you do not own something, like all it does is enrage the other person. And what I'm going to do, this is where she says like what I would do is just say, "Sorry, I don't know you and I should have kept my thoughts to myself." And then boom, it's done.

1:17:36 Son's like, "I agree. I cannot stand when people do not own things." Like, do you know there are people that lease their houses instead of buy their houses? Disgusting. No, that's not what that means, son. Okay, it's different. If someone owns it and apologize, it's like, great, fine. Okay, cuz you took it on the chin. Where do you go from there? There's like literally nowhere you can go. It's like you're trying to go somewhere. It's like walls. walls everywhere because there's nowhere left to go because you've been like you own it now and now you're trapped trapped in walls and you're broken and you realize the walls are your closet and there's Chanel and then you're happy. It's great. Meanwhile, Kyle and Amanda are hiking at Tree People and um this looks scary. Have you ever gone hiking here?

1:18:16 No, I have not. I've not hiked. I was looking at that. I was like I was I was like where is this place? I think I've gone here on the show several times though. It looks terrifying. It's like you you're on this path, but then on both sides of you is just a very steep drop, you know? It's like there's only the road. And I got scared cuz I'm a clumsy person. So,

1:18:38 you're safe, Ronnie. You're I was scared. Of course, I would never get that high anyway. Who are we kidding? So, um you know, they're talking about the perfect weather and Carl's like, "Oh, yeah. And you did really a beautiful job on the house, by the way." That's why I sobbed in the other room and cried that you turned Porsche's desk into a bar. Great job. Yeah, the way you got rid of my iconic checkerboard floor that I stole from Chris Jenner and my sister. Like that was really great. Like I'm totally happy. I'm really happy right now. It's really wonderful. Sammanda's like, "Yeah, cuz my life is so peaceful like with my family. These friendships are the only thing that's like not really peaceful right now." I generally believe that Dar and I could easily clear the air around this, but now I don't know what the [ __ ] to think. Like, she doesn't want resolve. She doesn't want to understand. She doesn't want to see

1:19:24 where each other's coming from. She doesn't want to know about how I woke up every 30 minutes with my heart beating fast because I was having a physiological reaction to the way she was accosting me at a dinner party, which I'd never experienced before in my life.

1:19:37 And Kyle's like, "Yeah, I was annoyed with that whole You know, Amanda's not she didn't show up for the second half of the after show filming because you know how they film one chunk of it and then they film another chunk in the second half of the season. She just stopped showing up so they replaced her

1:19:51 which is a sign. You know, everyone's like, "Oh, did she quit? Did she quit midseason? Nobody knows." But Kyle's like, "Um, yeah, that was stressful. I was annoyed." And she's like, "Yeah, the energy she was directing at me, like she switched it to you and then switched it back to me. I mean, that's like nuts. Well, my frustration with Darede is like Bose could say the exact same thing that I said and she would have a completely different reaction than she does if I say it. And we do see a flashback of Kob being like, you know, saying about the Florida thing, like just go to Florida and like you'll deal with it. And then Dar's like, "You don't understand." And then Bose is like, "Well, go to Florida and then you'll deal with it." Thank you Bose.

1:20:27 No, because the difference was Kyle was like, "If he wants to go to Florida and stay in a hotel, then he can do that, you know, and then your kids can go with the parents or whatever." And uh Dar got mad and Bose said, "No, let him do whatever he wants, but make him if he doesn't want to let the kids go to Florida, then make him be the bearer of bad news." So her point was like, "You don't have to be the bad guy in this. You do whatever you want to. Don't tell the kids anything. And if someone is going to disappoint the kids, let it be PK." Well, either way, even if they did say the exact same thing, it would be totally justified for Dar to be okay with what Bose says because Bose is coming from a place of like genuine support. And so, it's in the larger context of that relationship. Whereas with Kyle, you don't really know if she's supporting and it just like you're going to be on edge because Kyle has

1:21:18 squandered whatever social capital she has with Dar and so therefore everything's going to be taken with a grain of salt with her. Nanda saying, "I mean, you told me you experienced him as a good father, so like I could see how you'd be conflicted." Yeah. Well, she's not the wife in that relationship, so what the [ __ ] does she know? You've experienced him as a good father. Did PK raise Kyle?

1:21:39 Yeah. Well, regardless of what I know or don't know and all that, like, I still stand by the fact that it's smart just to not put the stuff out there, which I think like she's so angry. She like just doesn't even care cuz Darede is completely blindsided to any help or advice that I want to offer her as a friend right now. And I don't know if there's a way to get back on track until she's in a better place. And I don't think she's open to that. And I think she's too angry right now with everything. So Kyle is casting Dar as the unreasonable, angry, hysterical person. And Dar is angry for sure. But Kyle also is just completely taking like her responsibility of of the responsibility. She's taking her own responsibility of the situation out of the situation. Not even making any sense. But the point is that like Kyle's acting like this is just all on Dar.

1:22:22 Like she's just crazy and not and not reasonable when it's more like Kyle, you're you're basically rendevuing with the other side and it's making Dar furious and you just don't even see what your role is in this entire situation. Amanda doesn't either cuz she's like, "Oh my god, we had so much fun talking about empowerment at lunch and now she doesn't like me. Like what the hell?" So then we go back to the other Lynch and Tar's like, "All I've heard about is her business. I've heard I haven't heard anything about her past, her bringing her coat.

1:22:52 I would like to know more about that this cult." Okay, that sounds fun. And Rachel's like, "Yeah, that was insane. I just want you to know I was not armed for that." Like I was armed for fashion, but not armed for cults. Which is really It's When I say I'm not armed for something, it means a lot to me because I've got bad veins in those arms. Okay.

1:23:09 Yeah. I wasn't armed for it. And I'm basically an arm with a head on top of it still. Was not armed.

1:23:18 Well, it's okay to talk about it. It's on our website, so we can gossip away. You guys,

1:23:22 you guys, like, am I an idiot? Like, isn't a cult something that you don't like actually want to say that you're a part of? Like, who brags about that on a blog?

1:23:31 Like, what? Just like, ew, gross. You're in a cult. Who brags about being a cult?

1:23:35 Talk about that, you gross culty person. you dirty post cult. Gross. I think maybe she survived the cult and so she's trying to say like, "Look, I survived the cult." So that maybe that's it. D's like, "Well, she claims to be very open and transparent." Yeah, that's why she wrote about the cult in the blog. But the term cult like, think about it. Just say it. Cult.

1:23:58 Cult. It's really just like one It's like two letters away down the alphabet from being a very offensive word.

1:24:04 Isn't that what like grows in old milk? Ew. Ew. And who talks about milk these days? Disgusting.

1:24:11 So dairy talk about milk. It's gross. Dairy cult. And son's like, "Yeah, it's not a good thing, cult. Look, I just said it. Sounded like a curse word." And D's like, "Well, something is a miss and I would like to know." And understood the munda because it's not what you see. It's what you eat.

1:24:31 At the end of the day, you get nothing. You get nothing for nothing. At the end of the day, you get arms for arms. And that's what they say for the life of the armless. That's it.

1:24:43 Ew, cults, just thought about it again. This is a process of going like this is probably going to roll out like who she really is. And I think like we have the right to ask those questions. Like let's see who the [ __ ] she is. Like here's a question. Have you ever left LA in the summer? Do you voluntarily stay here in the summer if you don't to shoot a show? Are you gross like that? Is LA your cult? Ew, gross. Get away. Well, what do you what what do you think that we can do to make her feel more open and tell us stuff like how'd you end up in a cult and how'd you escape from the cult? Cuz like to know that listen, it's boring being sober. I need something to watch.

1:25:18 Okay, I can do that. I can I can tell her. I have no issues with that. I'm like really good about like broaching cult stuff even though I think it's so gross.

1:25:26 Okay, but how do we make her feel more included without actually like including her? cuz I don't want to go to lunch with her or anything, but I want her to feel included. How do we do that?

1:25:35 E, Russ gross. No, I don't want to include her. Like, hold on one second. I'm having allergic reaction to like including her and her cult.

1:25:43 Yeah. So, she's like, well, I do want the story of your business cuz that's exciting. Like, you're self-made. Great. Awesome. But like that could be a deflection. Like maybe she identifies herself as her business and that's really bad because like people have businesses but then like sometimes like their business is their whole personality. I'm like your business is called Rachel Zo and it's

1:26:04 I'm like the Rachel Zo project like literally. Um let's go back to us talking guys the real friends. So Amanda say something. All I can do is share my truth, right? Like I thought I was vulnerable and authentic for me to say that I've never left the dinner party crying before. Like isn't that the most vulnerable thing you could say is that you've never cried at a dinner party?

1:26:27 No, it was accusatory. You [ __ ] No, it was vulnerable. You know, like some people share really vulnerable parts about their childhood. For me, it was sharing that I'd never left a party crying before. That was like deep and like honestly brave of me to share that. And I woke up throughout the night. Did you hear about this? My heart was beating every 30 seconds. I was like, turns out I was just blinking, but those blinks were like micronaps and I was heart racing all throughout them. Yeah. And like it's like she's trying to dig up dirt on me, but like there's no dirt because it's like a cult. Like I'm not hiding that. Like why would I hide anything in my life? It's on my blog.

1:27:02 And Kyle's like, "Um, yeah, you need to tell me about the cult at some point. That would be fun." Okay. Well, you want to talk about it right now? No. Okay. So, you know, like looking at Amanda, like she doesn't exactly like screen cult member, but I mean, I don't I don't get what Dar's trying to come for Amanda for. Like, what does she gain from this,

1:27:19 Kyle? What do you gain from being friends with Amanda, you dummy? Like, that's the point you've gotten yourself to on the show where you're only friends with the person that everyone hates for good reason. You don't like her either. Amanda does not speak does not scream cult member, but she does sort of scream cult leader. I don't know. So, uh, Kyle is like, "Yeah, it's crazy." So, Amanda's like, "But to her, this isn't a bad version of herself. This is open and honest." Darita feels open and honest right now. So, back to the restaurant. I need to be able to be open and honest. I need support from my friends right now.

1:27:54 I'm in a place where I don't want to hold it inside and then I have to go through this without the support. And Rachel's like, "It's so poisonous.

1:28:02 It's poison. So poison." Well, I came to this year and I really believed that me and Coyle were going to rebuild our friendship. But her actions and her words are telling me something totally different. And trust me, I know words now. I'm an uta. You might have seen a garden scene earlier today WHERE I SAID, "DEAR DIARY," and talk to my readers. Now uh until she starts showing up as an actual friend who supports me, I cannot continue to play this game of fake [ __ ] friend in I'm done. I'm done.

1:28:36 I I have protected Coyle for years. I have protected Coyle at all costs. Even when I felt the most betrayed, the most hurt, where her and I had no friendship or what whatsoever, I still protected her. I bought her a helmet. I went to Dick Sporting Good, got her a helmet. I said, "Do you have one that has the size of someone who has a very stupid looking head?" And I got it for her and I brought it to her so she's protected. That's what I did for her.

1:29:00 Well, I don't think that you think that she thinks that she's like protecting you. So, like I don't you just don't trust her. You just don't like you don't trust her. It's like me not really trusting arms. Like

1:29:13 arms have veins. Vans are bad. Vans are in cults. And that's how we end the episode.

1:29:24 So fun and funny. Thank you all for being here. Do go vote for the crappies. Come join us in person, virtually, whatever you want to do. Sign up on Patreon, do all the things. And we'll catch you um on the next episode. Bye everyone.

1:29:40 Bye.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "RHOBH S15E08: Can’t Have Your Cake and Dorit It Too"?

Ben Mandelker (Host), Ronnie Carum (Host), Dorit Kemsley (Guest), Kyle Richards (Guest), Amanda (Guest), Rachel (Guest).

What is "RHOBH S15E08: Can’t Have Your Cake and Dorit It Too" about?

In this episode, the hosts discuss the latest developments from "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" Season 15, Episode 8, including key dynamics and events surrounding cast members, particularly focusing on Dorit's role in the unfolding drama. They also mention upcoming events, such as the Golden Krappies and associated voting details, while encouraging listeners to engage with their community…

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9 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Kyle Richards, Rachel Zo, Ronnie Harum, Ben Mandelker, Beverly Hills, Kathy Hilton. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "RHOBH S15E08: Can’t Have Your Cake and Dorit It Too"?

The episode runs 1 h 30 min; the transcript is about 18,242 words in 247 timestamped sections.

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