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Murder on Red River | Full Episode

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Murder on Red River | Full Episode", an episode of 48 Hours published January 27, 2026 (43 min, about 6,609 words). It mentions 12 people, works and ideas, including Jennifer Harris, Daryl Parker, Rob Holman, Bonham, Barry Wernerick.

What this episode is about

The content explores the unsolved murder of Jennifer Harris, who was found in the Red River in 2002, highlighting the emotional impact on her family and the community's determination to seek justice. Despite the passage of 15 years, the investigation has seen little progress, underscoring the collective desire of those close to Harris and local residents to find answers surrounding her tragic death.

Key takeaways

  • In Fannin County, a 15-year-old cold case ignites community passion; justice isn't just a wish, it's a ride.
  • Jennifer Harris: her legacy lives on as local heroes like her dad and investigator refuse to let her story fade.
  • Sheriff Johnson dives into the murky depths of evidence; a wet file could drown hope but not determination.
  • In small-town Bonham, gossip fuels the fire; a beloved bright spirit's murder unsettles the tranquil facade of America.
  • Justice takes stamina: Marine fathers and investigators promise to carry the torch, proving that old-school justice still holds weight.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Jennifer Harris, Bonham, Red River, Fanning County
  2. – 10:00: Jennifer Harris, Rob Holman, James Hamilton, Daryl Parker
  3. – 15:00: Jennifer Harris, Daryl Parker, Barry Wernerick
  4. – 20:00: James Hamilton, Rob Holman, Bonham, Jerry Harris
  5. – 25:00: Jennifer Harris, Rob Holman, Daryl Parker, Bonham
  6. – 30:00: Jennifer Harris, Miles Porter, Daryl Parker, Rob Holman
  7. – 35:00: Red River, Daryl Parker, Barry Wernerick, James Hamilton
  8. – 40:00: Texas Ranger, Jennifer Harris, Rob Holman, James Hamilton
  9. – 42:43: Daryl Parker, Barry Wernerick

Notable quotes from "Murder on Red River | Full Episode"

  • The medical examiner listed the cause of death as homicidal violence.
    about Jennifer Harris · at
  • In the northeast corner of Texas where the banks of the Red river touch Oklahoma, you'll find Fanning County and the town of Bonham, one of the oldest cities in the Lonear State.
    about Fanning County · at
  • Jennifer's father, a Marine and Vietnam veteran, finally has hope.
    about Jerry Harris · at
  • Rob told investigators he had gone out that night to buy beer and visit friends. But when they weren't home, he drove around alone for 5 hours on the roads of rural Fanning County.
    about Rob Holman · at
  • Barry, an experienced filmmaker, was a consultant on this broadcast.
    about Barry Wernerick · at
  • Parker suspects Jennifer left her friend Christiey's house and met her killer here.
    about Daryl Parker · at
  • Jennifer had potential to explore greater horizons than just Fannon County, Texas.
    about Bonham · at
  • Jennifer's father, Jerry, made notes that two months after Jennifer's death, Hamilton called him asking about her life insurance policy. And in my experience money…
    about James Hamilton · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Jennifer Harris — Person · Victim / central subject of the case · 19 mentions · first at
    Her 2002 disappearance and homicide in Fannin County, Texas is the core narrative; all investigative threads and theories revolve around her last known movements and relationships.
  • Daryl Parker — Person · Lead private investigator (long-term); former sheriff’s lieutenant · 8 mentions · first at
    Key investigator working with Jerry Harris for years; advances theories (cottage/fire, blue marl mud, Rob Holman focus) and coordinates with Barry/Alyssa and other investigators.
  • Rob Holman — Person · Primary person of interest (per family/PI theory); ex-husband · 8 mentions · first at
    Jennifer’s ex-husband; repeatedly discussed as the leading suspect by Daryl Parker and Barry/Alyssa, including disputed alibi details and alleged pregnancy motive.
  • Barry Wernerick — Person · Filmmaker / family investigator; docuseries driver · 4 mentions · first at
    Alyssa’s husband and an experienced filmmaker; collaborates with Daryl Parker and helps re-examine the case, advocate theories, and pursue a docuseries/reward strategy.
  • Jerry Harris — Person · Victim’s father; family advocate for justice · 3 mentions · first at
    Jennifer’s father; collaborates with Daryl Parker and engages law enforcement; provides family history, search efforts, and notes (e.g., life insurance call).
  • James Hamilton — Person · Former boyfriend/business partner; alternative suspect discussed · 8 mentions · first at
    Jennifer’s former boyfriend and business partner; had an alibi and polygraph per the file, but later scrutiny questions the vetting and potential financial motive.
  • Christy Far — Person · Last-known contact / friend visited on day of disappearance · 1 mention · first at
    Friend Jennifer visited on Mother’s Day 2002; provides last-known timeline detail (Jennifer leaving around 8 p.m.) and uncertainty about where she went next.
    It was Mother's Day 2002. Jennifer was visiting her friend Christy Far in the early evening.
  • Miles Porter — Person · Referenced official; former district attorney affected by rumors · 3 mentions · first at
    Former DA overseeing the case at the time; became the subject of local gossip alleging involvement, which he denies and says harmed his career.
    Crazy because Miles Porter was also the district attorney at the time, overseeing the case.

Companies & orgs

  • Texas Ranger — Company · Investigator · 2 mentions · first at
    Law enforcement agency that investigated Jennifer Harris's murder.
    Advice of his attorney back then, declined to speak with the Texas Rangers. After working the case for a year, they suspended their investigation. We wanted to know why, but…

Places & events

  • Bonham — Place · Setting · 6 mentions · first at
    Town in Fanning County where Jennifer Harris lived and was murdered.
  • Fanning County — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at
    Primary location where the events of the podcast took place, including the murder of Jennifer Harris.
  • Red River — Place · Setting · 4 mentions · first at
    River where Jennifer Harris's body was found.
    There was a fisherman who was fishing on the Red River.

Full transcript with timestamps

Yep. What Riding for Justice has done is reached out to people that knew Jennifer Harris.

How often do you saddle up and ride? Once a month. We got a big crowd. Let's keep it safe.

Something has touched the people of Fannic County about this case. Absolutely. Everybody in this county wants to see this case solved.

To let something like this go on this long is uncalled for. Jennifer Harris was well loved here.

That's a Jennifer Harris case. Everything that's involved. This This is the whole investigation right here.

This is it. Sheriff, I I hope you don't mind me asking, but that doesn't seem like a whole lot for 15 years.

Well, that's all we got to work with. Doesn't get any easier. There's not one day that I don't wake up and think about my sister.

I wish I could only have a handful of the friends she had. She was amazing. She was the redhaired girl who was the goofball. adorable, lovable Lucille Ball type. She smothered me with love.

On Mother's Day, 2002, no different than any other day. You take the walk, right? I saw a Jeep, but I didn't think anything about it. But then when it was here the second day, you're like, why is that Jeep still here?

I get a phone call that her Jeep had been found. What did she do leaving her Jeep on the side of the road? There was a fisherman who was fishing on the Red River. He saw a body in the water. I remember going to the Red River to the bridge, seeing the police officers, the sheriff.

There more up here, y'all. And I remember my dad being right there with them. And I just Let me see her. Let me see her. Let me see. It's got Is it hers? It can't be her. It has to. Why? Is it her? Is it her?

Whenever we move her, just move right into a boat. Is it really her? And the body is completely naked.

Not a stitch of clothing, not a sock. The way she was disposed of like a piece of trash. [snorts] She didn't deserve that. The medical examiner listed the cause of death as homicidal violence.

What is that? Were they strangled? Were they shot? Those are the things you need to know.

Jennifer's murder impacted my wife and her family. You can't even put it in words.

Cemeterial one. This is unlike anything that I've ever done as a filmmaker. But I thought he said it first time we were with him. Finding the killer and actually being able to prove where's the physical evidence who the killer is. Let's continue with the timeline.

This is much more than a passion project because this is family. We're going to follow through and we're going to get this done.

You want to know who killed Jennifer Harris? Absolutely. I'm a Texas girl. I believe in justice. Old school justice.

48 hours murder on Red River in the northeast corner of Texas where the banks of the Red river touch Oklahoma, you'll find Fanning County and the town of Bonham, one of the oldest cities in the Lonear State. And it's where Mark Johnson, who had just wrapped up 32 years in law enforcement, decided to ditch retirement and run for sheriff in 2016. I met Jerry Harris, the father of the young lady on the campaign trail,

and he made a promise from one father to another to continue the investigation into the murder of Jerry's oldest daughter, 28-year-old Jennifer Harris, a case unsolved for more than 15 years.

When I came here January 1, you sure, I demanded that case be brought to me. That was the first thing you did.

Yes. I wanted a Jennifer Harris case. Jennifer's father, a Marine and Vietnam veteran, finally has hope.

I think he's serious about trying to solve this case. This is my office. And he's not the only one.

The week. For the last 8 years, Daryl Parker has been working with Jerry Harris to solve his daughter's murder. First as a lieutenant in the Fannon County Sheriff's Office and now as a private investigator. A Marine never meets a stranger if he meets another Marine.

He too was a Marine and Parker has never charged Jerry a dime. I still have a lot of that Captain America justice kind of thing going on. I want Jerry and his family to find justice.

In high school, Jennifer Harris was popular and athletic. Brilliant redhaired girl, bright brown eyes, played tennis, and was a cheerleader. Jennifer's younger sister, Alyssa.

She was a dreamer. She was an idealist and she knew that there was a bigger world outside of Bonum, Texas.

Bonham is probably your prototypical small town USA. Gossip is on an epic scale.

When Jennifer Harris goes missing, how does that news play in Bonum? It was a bombshell because this girl was not too far removed from high school. To understand that she had been murdered, it disturbed a lot of people.

She was only 28 years old. She was just beginning to come into her own right when she was murdered.

The day that I came in here and looked at her cases and opening those boxes, I wanted to sit down on the floor and cry.

That's because after more than 15 years, this is all they have to work with. And what do we have in in each of these boxes?

These are all this is all documentation that's in there. You know, when she first come up missing poster, they're looking for newspaper articles, business records, and this is just some case reports. You can see that now this was wet. A lot of stuff got wet. They had some pods out back. They stored a lot of evidence. They leaked and a lot of stuff got wet.

Contaminated. Yes. and some of them got destroyed. The file was very light. The duplicates of the same paperwork over and over and over again. It was a mess.

Although the original investigators have said they did their best, Jennifer's laptop computer and clothing, a shirt, bra, and jeans that might have been hers were booked into evidence, but somehow mysteriously disappeared.

It's just been mishandled. Why would it be mishandled? I I honestly don't know. The only thing I can gather out of it is lack of lack of experience, lack of training.

It was Mother's Day 2002. Jennifer was visiting her friend Christy Far in the early evening.

It gets to be close to 8:00 and Jennifer is like, I got to go. Correct. She never told Christy where she was going, but Jennifer Harris never returned home that night. The next day, Jennifer's Jeep was discovered, parked just down the road from a local music spot. While she was still missing, authorities reached out to the two men in her life.

I know I'm guilty of anything. Her former boyfriend and business partner, James Hamilton, and her ex-husband, Rob Hullman.

Rob, how you doing? Pretty good. Both agreed to speak with investigators without a lawyer present. They had not been arrested, but both men were read their Miranda rights.

So, you have the right to be silent. Anything you say can will be against you, the court of law.

And both denied seeing Jennifer the night she disappeared. I would love to know that she's okay, that she's happy. According to his police interview, Jennifer's former boyfriend, James Hamilton, was with a friend more than an hour away from Bonum at this McDonald's around the time investigators believe Jennifer disappeared. He even took and passed a lie detector test.

He had an alibi for that evening. Alibi checked out. But ex-husband Rob Homeman seemed concerned about his alibi. I'm just worried and scared because I know that I don't have anybody to say where I was at that night.

Rob told investigators he had gone out that night to buy beer and visit friends. But when they weren't home, he drove around alone for 5 hours on the roads of rural Fanning County.

Suddenly when you went riding around you saw her I didn't see somebody. I saw a chief but I didn't see I don't know who it was. But when the investigator pushes harder, it sounds like Rob is admitting he did see her Jeep that night.

Where did you see her Jeep? I was on 898 at the stop sign by the blinking light. Then I turned over. She was in front of me. She was coming from town.

By now, Jennifer had been missing for 72 hours. The search would continue for three more days.

I was getting about 3 or 4 hours sleep a night. spent the rest of my time searching, driving country roads, looking for buzzards.

That's a hell of a thing for a father to have to do. That's what I did until they found her. Things seemed to go in slow motion. It was very surreal.

When we move, finding Jennifer's body 6 days after her disappearance devastated her father, Jerry, but it did little to clear up the mystery of what had happened to her. She was so badly decomposed, the medical examiner couldn't determine the cause of death.

Jennifer was in But Jennifer's family believes they know the answer. Her sister Alyssa and her filmmaker husband Barry Wernernick are on a mission to prove who killed Jennifer and why. In the time you've been looking into this, have you gone from I want the facts to shape my opinion to now having a sense of who killed Jennifer?

Absolutely. to think about how beautiful she was and her red hair and just how [sighs] and to think about how she was found. That's what um that's what I just can't let go of until justice is done.

Was the prom dress? There's that prom dress. Filmmaker Barry Wernerick married Jennifer Harris's sister, Alyssa, eight years after Jennifer's murder.

When Alyssa first told me about her sister's murder, the first thing that came to my mind was, "Who did it? Do you know who did it?" All these things started going through my mind.

Barry and Alyssa are determined to answer those questions by making a docu series.

Didn't transcribe that. Barry, an experienced filmmaker, was a consultant on this broadcast. I felt like I could use my film making ability to do our own investigating because it doesn't didn't seem like anyone was doing it.

He is working hand in hand with Daryl Parker and another private eye, Jim Holloway, re-examining everything.

We are in a place this is central to your theory of what happened. Yes. The reason why Daryl Parker is so sure this is where Jennifer died is because of a clue that lies on the river's floor a short way down this dirt road.

She had some blue mud on the front of her. According to fishermen, there are only two spots on the river within several miles that that mud is on the bottom.

And this is one of them. This is that blue marl mud that was on the body. Not far from the riverbank, there used to be a cottage.

This is where the original, you know, caretaker cottage was, and it just so happened to burn down the night that Jennifer Harris disappeared.

That is a piece of melted glass from the original fire. Parker suspects Jennifer left her friend Christiey's house and met her killer here.

He believes the cottage was burned to hide the evidence. No godly earth reason for that shack to burn. At the same night, Jennifer comes up missing.

Parker hoped to find clues here. We came here with a crew and excavated the whole thing 15 ft that way to another 10 ft that way on either side of this foundation.

I see a well. We drained the well and then we dug down in the muck probably a foot or two and we didn't come up with anything.

But years of coming up empty hasn't deterred Daryl Parker or Barry and Alyssa Wernerick. And it hasn't shaken their conviction of who killed Jennifer.

When I think about Jennifer, I think about Jennifer and Rob. Rob and Jennifer were together for as long as anyone can remember. She was a sixth grader when she began dating Rob, a fifth grader. By high school, the teenagers were practically inseparable, says Jennifer's cousin, Susan Bowen. He was just part of our family from the time we were growing up. Jennifer was just in love with him. She just adored everything about him.

Jennifer had big dreams, bigger than could take flight in small town Bonham. Jennifer had potential to explore greater horizons than just Fannon County, Texas.

She moved 3 hours away to go to college. A few years later, Rob followed her there and the couple married in 1996.

It was gorgeous. It was meticulously planned at a very beautiful mansion out in the in the country.

It landed us. It does. One year after the wedding, Jennifer's mother died of cancer.

You could tell she had learned a lot in the few years that we lost our mother. She became an adult that was very open-minded.

In 1999, the couple bought a house in suburban Dallas, but there was friction brewing.

I think that my sister was growing and evolving and moving forward in her life and Rob was stuck and he just wasn't going to change. According to Jennifer's family, Rob, who was working in landscaping, preferred the slower pace of rural bonum, while she enjoyed living near a big city, Jennifer embraced a holistic lifestyle and enrolled in massage therapy school.

She transformed in front of my eyes. She said that she had met someone who was like-minded and who wanted to start a business that was a massage and wellness center. That someone was James Hamilton, someone she'd met in that massage therapy school.

He was different, but um in what way? Well, he was new age and touchy feely a little bit.

Their relationship was complicated. James was living with the mother of his child and had another on the way. Jennifer was still married to Rob. I told her that it was not a good idea that I

What did she say? She didn't tell me a lot after that. She knew where I stood. I went up there to see what was going on in their lives.

When Jennifer's father got there, he was shocked to see holes in the wall. While no one knows for sure how they got there, Jerry seemed certain Rob was responsible. He took his fist and knocked five holes in the living room wall about as big as a softball.

Jerry remembers the holes in the wall. Alyssa remembers something worse. My sister called me one night and um was shaking in her voice.

She says Jennifer told her Rob came home drunk and forced himself on her. Jennifer never reported the alleged attack, but Rob would later tell police after her disappearance that Jennifer was the violent one in the relationship.

She's not tempered. We're married. Generally her way or no way. Sometimes I would grab her, wrap her up, keep her hidden.

Rob moved back to Bonum and Jennifer's new love interest, James Hamilton, moved in with her. They became partners in a massage therapy business in suburban Dallas. But Jennifer's infatuation with James quickly faded.

Well, James wanted to marry her and she refused to marry him and he was very upset about that.

The private investigators say Jennifer's relationship with Hamilton was rocky. Real fiery, just uh fussing and fighting at each other all the time. By the spring of 2002,

your sister is leading one complicated life emotionally. Jennifer had divorced Rob and her relationship with James was on the skids. To add to the chaos, the massage business had failed and Jennifer was forced to file for bankruptcy.

I think that everything was catching up to her and she'd ever really grieved my mom's death and I think she was exhausted. She said, "I'm not happy. I don't care about the business anymore."

With no job or income, Jennifer confided in cousin Susan that she'd been back in touch with her former husband, Rob Holman, who now had a new girlfriend.

And she said, "I still love him." And she said, "I want him back." And she said, "I even told him that." In fact, Rob later admitted to police that even though he had a girlfriend, he and Jennifer were still having sex

four or five times his pregnancy. Yeah. So, Jennifer was living a little bit of a split life

to a certain extent, but James didn't know it. He knew nothing about it all. Then one day, Susan saw Jennifer outside her apartment with a moving truck.

I said, "What are you doing?" and she said, "I'm moving to Bonham." I thought, "You're only going to Bonham because Rob's in Bonham." Okay. And with that, I turned around and left. And that was the last time I ever saw her.

About 6 weeks later, Jennifer disappeared. On the very day she went missing, she called Rob. Rob says she asked to see him,

but he refused. I had plans for the girlfriend. She got real upset cuz it was Mother's Day and I would come over.

Rob agreed to take a polygraph to back up his story, but for some reason it was never administered. Sheriff's investigators allowed him to go home. They had a lot more digging to do, and it centered around a secret Jennifer had shared with her best friend Jill Wagner just weeks before she died.

You know, we started talking and she was kind of, "Well, you're not going to believe, you know, the mess I'm in." And she told me how, you know, that and I pretty much guessed. I was like, you're pregnant.

If Jennifer was pregnant, who was the father? Was it Rob Homeman or someone else? That question became even more important after the medical examiner's autopsy revealed a stunning piece of information.

Her uterus was gone. When they examined Jennifer Harris's body, investigators were shocked.

There was a wound that affected some of the internal organs. Her uterus was missing.

Her death was classified as a quote violent homicide. her uterus had somehow been removed.

The question was, what damaged her? What would have the motive been? That she was possibly pregnant and that the person who killed her was trying to destroy that evidence.

In Bonum, where gossip is often taken for gospel, people couldn't stop talking.

The public grab a hold of that information and they started concocting their own theories as to who did it and why. But according to the case file, there was no scientific evidence to prove Jennifer was actually pregnant at the time of her death. Still, Jennifer's best friend, Jill Wagner, told investigators she had talked to Jennifer about being pregnant. And that's not all she said.

You know, she told me that it was Robs, and I was kind of shocked. Rob Holman, Jennifer's ex-husband. He had revealed to detectives in his police interview that he'd met Jennifer a month before she disappeared near a drive-in movie theater.

She told me that she was pregnant and it's mine. I definitely think that she brought it up with Rob. And in my mind, that's what led to her death.

Daryl Parker had long been familiar with the story of Jennifer being pregnant. 8 years after her murder, Parker, then a lieutenant for the sheriff's department, dropped by Rob Holman's house. It was Sunday, Mother's Day. A calculated move by Parker.

So, it was the anniversary of the crime. I had picked out a number of photographs of her and Rob. One of those being Jennifer swimming in a muddy body of water. And when I gave him the the stack of photographs, the very first one he picked out was that one with the muddy water. He stood there for about five or six seconds staring at that photograph. But that's the one that caught his attention like that, you know. I said, "Well, if you want to talk, call me." And I gave him my card and I left.

A few hours later, to Parker's surprise, Holman called and wanted to talk. But Parker had wanted to record the interview, so he suggested they meet at the sheriff's office the next day.

That's where I screwed up. I should have gone right then and there. I think he was ready to talk and say something and I should have just done it. This really has you still. Why so emotional Darl? You're really blaming yourself here.

Well, the previous investigation had failed in so many ways, but he was responding to me. He was responding to the pressure I was putting on him and I let it slip away.

When Holman arrived for the interview with Parker, he had a lawyer. Did you have anything to do with the death of Jennifer Harris?

No. Jennifer's pregnancy. Did you believe Did you believe she was pregnant? No, I didn't think she was.

Did you think that she believed she was pregnant? No. Remember, there was no evidence Jennifer was pregnant. And in fact, forensic experts in Dallas would later conclude Jennifer's missing uterus wasn't even cut out by the killer. Instead, her uterus and other body parts were destroyed by turtles and fish in the river. But the rumors persisted, and they had plenty of company in Bonum. A year after Jennifer's murder, this man found himself in the center of the storm.

They were saying that I had been arrested for this murder. I mean, you hear this and what's your reaction?

What are you talking about? Where did this come from? That's crazy. Crazy because Miles Porter was also the district attorney at the time, overseeing the case.

For the record, did you know Jennifer Harris? No. Had you ever met Jennifer Harris?

No. Did you kill Jennifer Harris? Absolutely not. Porter says locals cooked up the story because they had a grudge against him over an unrelated case he tried.

Did this cost you your job? Yeah, no doubt. Miles Porter blames losing his reelection on the Jennifer Harris gossip. Now in private practice, Porter still lives with the fallout from the unfounded allegations. I've had on a number of occasions random people throughout the county say, "I can't be fair in this case because you're with the lawyer and I think you killed Jennifer Harris."

Crazy. 14, 15 years later. Absolutely. Still happens in the court of public opinion. He was definitely a suspect.

Meanwhile, there's no shred of evidence that he was connected at all. None. Daryl Parker thinks he knows who's responsible. Not Miles Porter, not James Hamilton, not a random stranger. In my view, the evidence points directly at Rob Homeman.

If you believe this, filmmaker Barry Wernernick agrees. We were going to let the facts take us where the facts took us. And we would and where it brought us was to one person that it had to be.

But they haven't been able to physically connect Rob Hullman to Jennifer Harris the night of her disappearance. They're both hoping this woman can.

We need that eyewitness, huh? And in your view, Rhonda Fitzwater is that eyewitness.

Yes. On this rural road in Fannon County, Texas, Ronda Fitzwater could hold the key to Daryl Parker and Barry Wernernick's theory that Rob Holman met up with Jennifer Harris that night.

So, what do you make of this idea that somehow you saw Jennifer Harris and Rob Holman?

I've not ever heard that until you tell me that. Rhonda has always insisted that all she saw that night was Jennifer's parked Jeep. Did you see anybody following the Jeep?

No, it was already parked. Did you see Jennifer Harris? No, not at all. But for years, Parker and Wernernick have believed there is more to Rhonda Fitzwater's story. Only she says they are sorely mistaken. After 15 years of investigation by people closely connected to Bonum, maybe the best thing anyone can hope for is a fresh set of eyes. I'm flying out to Dallas, Texas. My job is really to look at the the facts of the case, study [snorts] the case.

Could the questions about a murder in Bonham be answered by someone 1700 miles away in Boston?

Emergency. Meet Joe Mora, a private investigator and CBS News consultant. Jennifer has been dead 15 years by the time you're looking at the file.

Absolutely. Yeah. What' you make of that collection of papers? I thought the file was very weak, meaning that the investigation that went into it was extremely weak.

48 hours brought Mora to Texas to take a closer look at the Jennifer Harris case.

You got to speak to people, and that's what I've done. So, you got a little time for me?

I do. Come on back. His first stop, Fannon County Sheriff Mark Johnson. I can see your frustration where, you know, you're in the job for one one year. You got the public and you sure the family still wants to know what happened to their daughter.

There's no no physical evidence. That's the problem. In fact, today the sheriff won't call either Rob Holman or James Hamilton suspects even though detectives did early in the investigation in these documents.

How come you can't call them suspects? You have things that lead up to them that draw you your interest to them to make them a person of interest, but you don't have that connection to make them a suspect where you can tie some physical evidence into them.

Filmmaker Barry Wernerick took Mora to the location of the cottage private eyes Parker and Holloway had come to believe was burned to hide the evidence of Jennifer's murder.

So, this is the shed that burnt down that night. Yeah, the stuff gem with the burning shed. There's all kinds of theories about that. Now you just murdered somebody, but about 200 yds away from where you're disposing the body in the river. Let's light up this shed and fire. Attract people.

Makes no sense to you. Absolutely not. It certainly can't tie to this case, but people are trying to make it to tie in.

Wernernick also brought him to the bank of the Red River where he believes his sister-in-law's body was dumped. There's nothing on the records of this case or any eyewitnesses that'll tell you that this is where her body was disposed,

right? So, we're just here basically guessing. Mora sat down with the private eyes who had been working the case for nearly a decade.

To me, I think it boils down to who had the most to lose by killing her or not killing her. But 18 years of child support, maybe, maybe not. She told me that she was pregnant and was mine.

Well, I don't think that we need to speculate about Rob Hullman's motive because he made it clear that she was applying pressure to him.

And there could be no more intense pressure than I'm about to have a baby and you're the father.

That's right. You have to consider it. However, he disbelieves her and he admits that in the interviews. Yeah, she said it, but I don't believe it. I don't think she is pregnant.

Did you believe she was pregnant? No, I didn't think she was. For his part, Mora was surprised authorities seemed to quickly disregard James Hamilton, the ex-boyfriend who wanted to marry Jennifer before she left him when their business failed.

She covered all the finances for the business. She's the one that put her name on the loans.

Jennifer's father, Jerry, made notes that two months after Jennifer's death, Hamilton called him asking about her life insurance policy. And in my experience money insuranceances, all that stuff is a big deal. Money creates a lot of motive for a lot of people.

What's more, he believes investigators bought Hamilton's alibi, that he was with a friend at that McDonald's more than 50 m away without thoroughly vetting it.

And I'm not so thrilled about the checking they did on that alibi. The one thing is you go check who the alibis and the next thing you you look at are these alibis lying to me? So you got to go check that out. That was never done. Why?

To Joe Mora, the investigation was flawed from the outset. And had authorities approached it differently, they may have gotten more from their interviews.

Here's what bothers me about this situation. It's a missing person. They're calling people and talking to people about a missing person. And the first thing they do, they read your Miranda warnings,

right? You have the right to someone. Now, that is unheard of. You're saying that sure Rob said, "I don't have an alibi and that might be incriminating."

That was after you already signed the Miranda warning. So, he's already nervous and he's already saying, "Oh, I'm being charged. God, I don't have an alibi." Of course, he was nervous. Most people would.

But at the end of the day, the men who've been working this case for years see it very differently than the man with the fresh set of eyes. Circumstantially, there is a lot of evidence in the case. It is all circumstantial.

But Daryl, I think me and you are a little confused in reference to circumstantial. I'm saying to you, and I submit to you, that there's very little circumstantial evidence.

Okay. We'll have to agree to disagree. Well, because I'm asking you to give me the facts on what your circumstantial evidence is, and it's based on theory. Theory ain't going to cut it.

Like Daryl Parker's theory about Ronda Fitzwwater knowing more. Everybody's putting all the weight on this woman and she has nothing to offer to the case. Only that yeah, that Jeep was there. Well, we know the Jeep was there. But what Joe Mora does find interesting in the case file is one of the least examined parts of the story. One year after Jennifer's murder, this woman, Deborah Lambert, who had seen a news report about the unsolved case, told detectives she saw something when she was driving across the Red River Bridge on Mother's Day.

There was three guys out there and a girl. Two guys had the girl by her elbows, and it was like she was trying to get away from him, and they were restraining her. The girl she says she saw had reddish brown hair and

I made eye contact with her and she was scared terrified look on her face. My mom seen her too and she said that girl to get raped and killed.

But Lambert never called police back then. She said she was too afraid to get involved. What's more, her story didn't fit with the investigator's timeline. She put Jennifer near the bridge at 5:00 p.m. But detectives believe Jennifer left her friend Christiey's house around 8:00 p.m.

Deborah Lambert saying what she saw she saw at 5:00. That's not a dealbreaker for you.

Absolutely not. In the real world, people are not looking at their watches and clocks all the time. She may be wrong on her time and not wrong on what she witnessed. Could Deborah Lambert hold the answer to who killed Jennifer Harris?

A year and a half after Jennifer's murder, the Texas Rangers launched their own investigation into the case. They reintered Deborah Lambert

in the story was the same. She was very detailed, redhead, three guys. Two were wearing jeans, one was wearing shorts.

Lambert was asked to look at a photo lineup to see if she recognized any of the men the woman was with. She did. She was very clear that one of the men she saw was Rob Holman.

Maybe Mrs. Lambert is believable. Now, the situation is is I worry about how was that lineup done? How many photographs do they show? In other words, do they have a good old boy, Texan boy there with his uh baseball cap on and then they had three Mexican photos next to him? Okay. Those are the things I worry about.

The way the the lineup was conducted, we don't know anything about. No. And that's that's crucial. But Mora can't be confident because there are no details in the case file about how the lineup was done. Still, Mora considers Deborah Lambert a missed opportunity to potentially solve Jennifer's murder.

There's an open lead there that I feel was enclosed. Therefore, until that lead is closed, it's problematic to say, I'm going to disregard what this woman saw, and I'm still going to focus on Rob and James. Rob Hullman, on the advice of his attorney back then, declined to speak with the Texas Rangers. After working the case for a year, they suspended their investigation. We wanted to know why, but they wouldn't comment on an unsolved case. The conclusion to their report, no physical evidence, specific cause of death, or credible witnesses link any particular person as a suspect.

No one can actually follow up with Deborah Lambert. She and her mother have both passed away, but Alyssa and Barry Wernick now cling to Lambert's story.

In my mind, I always just believe that she got in the truck with Rob and it was just the two of them. This changes everything. Um, there are other people that know. There are other people that could possibly speak up

now knowing that there were two other people involved. Oh, yeah. There's renewed hope.

The problem here, I suppose, is that Deborah Lambert's dead. She's dead, but her her interview isn't. She's alive. You can see what she said.

Neither James Hamilton nor Rob Hullman have ever been arrested or charged with any crime related to Jennifer's murder. During our reporting of this case, we made several attempts to contact both men. James, if this is your number, I'm calling to follow up on a letter I sent you recently. We got no response.

This is Rob. I can't take your call right now. We sent you a letter a couple of weeks ago. So, on one of our trips to Texas, we went to Rob Hullman's home.

How are you, Mr. Homeman? Jim Axar with CBS News. Turn that off. Will you talk to me if I turn that camera off?

Yeah, I'll talk to you. Holman told us off camera he never saw Jennifer that night and he's been advised by his attorney not to talk to anyone. His attorney provided this statement to 48 Hours. Robert Holman has neither been arrested nor charged with any criminal conduct as it relates to this investigation. This notwithstanding, Mr. Holman has from the inception of the investigation been treated by law enforcement as a suspect. Mr. Holman has maintained his innocence from the very beginning and his position has not wavered.

With no resolution in sight, filmmaker Barry Wernernick has a new plan. Barry wants to raise $50,000 under the theory that reward money could shake someone loose.

No shot. You can't put money out there and thinking that that's going to create evidence for you.

Joe Moira said as much to the sheriff. This isn't a cold case. This is a frozen case. It's done. It's over. If you have a prosecutor whose worth is weight, he would never bring this case to trial. He has absolutely nothing on this case.

But Sheriff Mark Johnson is not giving up. I want to solve the case. I want it solved and I want it done right.

Neither is private eye Daryl Parker. When Mr. Harris came to the sheriff's office and he got me involved, I told him that I would get results and I can't I can't put it down until I'm sure that either the person is held accountable or I can't do anything more. I have to carry it.

And if it takes another 15 years, if it takes another 15 years, the sadness is we all have kids. We all have family members and I have a daughter. It's devastating to not know.

I don't know how she was killed. I wish I did. I want closure. I'm going to do everything I can to bring justice for Jennifer

for my dad. He needs to see some justice done. To have walked in my shoes for the last 15 and 1/2 years hadn't been easy. We miss her every day. We miss Jennifer not being here. I still have high hopes that justice will prevail.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Murder on Red River | Full Episode"?

Mark Johnson (Host), Jerry Harris (Guest), Daryl Parker (Guest), Alyssa Wernerick (Guest), Barry Wernerick (Guest), James Hamilton (Guest), Rob Holman (Guest), Joe Mora (Guest).

What is "Murder on Red River | Full Episode" about?

The content explores the unsolved murder of Jennifer Harris, who was found in the Red River in 2002, highlighting the emotional impact on her family and the community's determination to seek justice. Despite the passage of 15 years, the investigation has seen little progress, underscoring the collective desire of those close to Harris and local residents to find answers surrounding her tragic…

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12 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Jennifer Harris, Daryl Parker, Rob Holman, Bonham, Barry Wernerick, Jerry Harris. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Murder on Red River | Full Episode"?

The episode runs 43 min; the transcript is about 6,609 words in 184 timestamped sections.

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