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Album Ethics, Andrew Ross Sorkin, Sentimental Value | Fact Check for Andrew Ross Sorkin

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Album Ethics, Andrew Ross Sorkin, Sentimental Value | Fact Check for Andrew Ross Sorkin", an episode of Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard published November 19, 2025 (42 min, about 8,099 words). It mentions 35 people, works and ideas, including Lily Allen, creatine, Meline, Blue Jays, Georgia.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Bobby Brown, Lily Allen, Millie Bobby Brown
  2. – 15:00: Lily Allen, Meline, Adam Taylor, Charli XCX
  3. – 20:00: Amber Heard, Johnny Depp, Kristen, Sentimental Value
  4. – 25:00: creatine, Cleveland Clinic, Indian diversity, Mary Claire Haver
  5. – 30:00: Blue Jays
  6. – 35:00: Georgia, Jacob Moore, Milford High School, Wall Street 2
  7. – 40:00: John Bernthal, Real Ones, Cereal, Too Big to Fail

Notable quotes from "Album Ethics, Andrew Ross Sorkin, Sentimental Value | Fact Check for Andrew Ross Sorkin"

  • Yes. Lily Allen, his wife, David's David Harour's wife, Lily Allen, put out a album.
    about Lily Allen · at
  • Shared locations. Anyway, it seems that didn't happen. He fell in love with this person. Her name is Meline. She says that there's a song called Meline.
    about Meline · at
  • So I This goes But we had this exact conversation about Taylor Mhm. and the Charlie XCX and this type of thing where I was like I just think I mean Taylor's different but and the whole.
    about Adam Taylor · at
  • So, I'm saying that's not a good look for her. Forget the details. Just the notion like if that if Kristen and I got divorced and my first stop was us weekly to give a…
    about Kristen · at
  • Few is better than none. That's what they say. Benefits of creatine. Okay.
    about creatine · at
  • There's a Blue Jays picture that has the heterocchromia.
    about Blue Jays · at
  • He's much younger than me and I think he also has a wife and he's from Georgia.
    about Georgia · at
  • That's so weird. So, I stumbled upon John Brenthal's episode of his show, Real Ones with Shia Labou.
    about Real Ones · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Lily Allen — Person · 3 mentions · first at
  • Meline — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • John Bernthal — Person · 2 mentions · first at
    Wait, John Bernthal, who our friend of the pot.
  • Bobby Brown — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Millie Bobby Brown — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Adam Taylor — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Charli XCX — Person · 1 mention · first at
    So I This goes But we had this exact conversation about Taylor Mhm. and the Charlie XCX and this type of thing where I was like I just think I mean Taylor's different but and the whole thing is different but I do feel like of.
  • Kristen — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Amber Heard — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Yeah. Feels very Amber Heard, Johnny Depp.
  • Johnny Depp — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Yeah. Feels very Amber Heard, Johnny Depp.
  • Mary Claire Haver — Person · 1 mention · first at
    I want to take it. Mary Claire Haver who we had on the permenopause expert recommends it for women. So I would I'm going to start taking it. I think you should.
  • Jacob Moore — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Jacob Moore asked the question, What's your number? He's speaking to Brett and James. Jacob Moore is the Shia Labuff character.
  • Angel Reese — Person · 1 mention
  • Beth Stelling — Person · 1 mention
  • Bretton James — Person · 1 mention
  • Delta — Person · 1 mention
  • Max Scherzer — Person · 1 mention
  • Shia LaBeouf — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

  • Sentimental Value — Book · 1 mention · first at
    I saw Sentimental Value, the movie Sentimental Value.
  • The Worst Person in the World — Book · 1 mention · first at
    So, I love the movie The Worst Person in the World.
  • Wall Street 2 — Book · 1 mention · first at
    You couldn't be more stupid, but that's okay. We'll move on. Oh, okay. It was Wall Street 2. Who said what's your number?
  • Too Big to Fail — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Okay. The one thing I fact I got to check and I'm embarrassed. I said I watched Too Big to Fail. I was obsessed with it. I was obsessed with it, but I said I watched it in college.

Companies & orgs

  • Blue Jays — Company · 2 mentions · first at
  • Real Ones — Company · 2 mentions · first at
  • Cleveland Clinic — Company · 1 mention · first at
    This is from the Cleveland Clinic. Studies suggest that creatine supplements may help brain function in people's 60 and older.
  • Milford High School — Company · 1 mention · first at
    You kind of like white trash. Look. It's kind of surprises me sometimes cuz he looks like he went to Milford High School with me.
  • Cereal — Company · 1 mention · first at
    That's why we love cereal. It like it begat debate.
  • UGA — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

Concepts & topics

  • Indian diversity — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    Have got Yeah. better than you and I would have got in because I also have Indian diversity and southern diversity.
  • southern diversity — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    Have got Yeah. better than you and I would have got in because I also have Indian diversity and southern diversity.
  • coloboma — Concept · 1 mention
  • heterochromia — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

Full transcript with timestamps

We hope you enjoyed this episode. Unfortunately, they made some mistakes. You know, sometimes you're just grumpy.

Yeah. I haven't felt this agitated in a long time. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. It's okay. I'm going to get over it. This is a change of venue.

It's a new starting fresh. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff in my house. There's a lot of stuff in my house that I think gets used one time and then just sticks around forever.

Yeah. And like I couldn't close cabinet doors in my gym cuz there's just stuff overflowing that's never ever been used. It's never going to get used.

Yeah, sure. Threw something out. You got to cut that out. No, I want to keep it.

I kind of No. What was it? this ridiculous [ __ ] back thing that No, the tag is still on this [ __ ] You can't close the camera and I'm [ __ ] throwing this [ __ ] No one's ever going to notice.

Oh, wow. I did. I pitched it. Did you feel good? No, I felt conflicted. I was preparing for if I get caught. What is my defense of this?

Okay. Okay. And what did you mount? We're keeping this. We have to We have to because we have to teach people. She doesn't listen.

That's true. She has friends that listen. No, they don't listen. Nicole does. Hi, Nicole.

Hi, Nicole. Thanks for listening. I don't know if she listens to the fact. Nicole, please don't tell.

Please don't tell. It's a contraption. Yeah. So, I was like, what am I going to First of all, well, I wouldn't have done it if I wasn't like 99% sure it's never going to get brought up.

Yeah. And then I think, well, what if it does get brought up? Is it a scratcher? or some Yeah, it's huge and heavy and

Okay. That feels hard to do. Has a tag on it, so it can't be getting used cuz you can't really use it with the tag on.

Okay. I just had to I snapped. I know. I can feel it. Well, if you're But I'm not trying to hide it. I'm trying to own it.

Yeah. But also, if you're gonna snap, I suppose that's the best way. That's me snapping is all like I'll throw something away secretly.

Well, no. You could snap by yelling. So, it's better that you did this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't ever yell at anyone.

Okay. Unless they were yelling at me. Sometimes you get angry. Everyone gets angry and sometimes things get pushed over. Instead of yelling, you could throw stuff out. This is a good lesson.

Well, I don't know if anyone should copy this. I bet it's already being copied. Let's get honest. People,

you were the first one to do this. You know, there's a lot of like there's things get worked out in interesting ways and everyone, you know, there's a certain amount of life that's between the lines.

Oh, sure. Right. Yeah. And everyone knows wink wink. Nicole, it's part of the uh, you know, the silent lubricant that makes everything work.

Yeah, of course. I don't even know what I'm saying, but once in a while I snap and I and I pitch something.

Okay. I've never been busted, which makes me think I have a really good barometer of what like no one's ever going to notice.

Okay, so you threw it in the big trash outside and I picked a trash can that was like very No one's

the person who owns this item is never going to be in that trash can. There's several that they would use before they got to this deep one

right now. What? Okay, so if Okay, so if Yeah, if you're confronted, I would go I I snapped. I couldn't shut the door. I was already really frustrated. I tried nine times to shut the door and put it in different things and finally I just said it has a tag on and it's never been used. I've been wrestling with that forever and I'm gonna pitch it and if someone wants it I'll replace it.

Great answer. You're liking this. Yeah, that's honest. But then that person might say, as if this is so hard to figure out, that person might say, "You can't just decide which of my items you're going to throw away."

I understand that point of view, too. It's very valid. It's more valid than my point of view, which is like, be an adult. Come talk to me about it. But I knew I was not in a headsp space to have a gentle civilized talk about it.

Yeah. The right thing would probably just been walk away because I bet tomorrow wouldn't bother me nearly as much as it did in that moment.

Look, I think you saying you you didn't have the capacity in the moment to walk away.

Yeah. And you didn't have the capacity to have a conversation because that you knew wasn't going to go well.

It wouldn't have gone well. Yeah. Then and you felt this was the only option. This was the next best option. It was the least worse option.

Yeah. Yeah. I think if you say that I know this person and I think this person is going to

this unnamed person is going to is going to be like, you know what, I get that.

Yeah. And and I know him and I'm glad he chose that option instead of the other ones.

Yeah. I hope so. But what I have to do in these situations where I I've done something and I I feel very um validated in my decision or or very confident.

Yeah. You feel happy about it. What I do that helps me is I transplant this person. I I transplant Delta onto this person and then when I imagine throwing anything of Delta's away

Yeah. I feel terrible because Delta also has a lot of things and they all have a very special meaning. So then that was step two. So I'd already kind of snapped and I threw something away and then I went upstairs in my bedroom to rush

to take and then we have another basket in our room. There's so many baskets in the world.

Okay. They've all found their way to my house. Containers and baskets. Yeah. And I look in this new basket that's virtually in the center of our room. Like what is in this basket?

Sure. It's half filled with stuffies. They're not obviously mine. They're not Christian.

Not obvious, but there's also an errant sweatshirt in there. It's not mine. Okay.

And then I go, "Well, this basket's going in their room." Oh, no. No. God. Okay.

But that was me being insulent, too. It's like, I'm taking this basket and I'm putting it in their room cuz it's full of stuffies,

right? And then I had to stop cuz then I felt like I was just going to be a whirling dervish and just start clearing out. I think I want to live in a big empty box sometimes.

Sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah, of course. But then you don't. And I was telling myself as I was as I was ramping up and starting to boil, I was like, "This is the price."

Yeah. To have a house full of life and love. Exactly. And that always works until it doesn't sometimes. And then it's time to take a secret trip to the trash.

One day you're going to miss that basket of stuffies so [ __ ] much. You're going to you're going to pine for the basket of stuffies.

Bobby Brown. Bobby Brown. Not the rapper. Not the rapper. Not the Stranger Things.

There's a Bobby Brown. Millie Bobby Brown. Millie Bobby Brown. Sure. MB MVB. Yeah.

Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare. Oh, that could get us on another tangent that I don't I mean I want to talk to you about, but I'm afraid to talk about on here.

I see that there's a feud. I can't believe you don't know this. I came with a breaking um scoop.

Yeah, this is cute. This shows how not clued in you are. Yeah, Rob, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah.

I had to ask a friend a couple days ago what was going on. Wow. Was it Lily Allen, right?

Yes. Lily Allen, his wife, David's David Harour's wife, Lily Allen, put out a album.

Okay. They're not together anymore. Okay. He she put out an album and it's uh wild. It's derogatory towards

it's the whole thing is about him. Okay. And very explicitly about him. And um what kind of stuff does it

Well, there's a song called [ __ ] Palace. What's that mean? He had a [ __ ] Palace.

Meaning he had lots of girls. Yeah. He had a another apartment that she thought was a dojo, but

Whoa, whoa, whoa. A karate dojo or a Masa Sue dojo epic ken style? I'm I'm not so sure. The whole album, it reads like a diary. Like it's like one. It's like a novel and it's it's intense.

It is. It's intense. Can do you know some of the lyrics by heart? I can pull some up for you. I didn't know it was your [ __ ] palace. [ __ ] palace. [ __ ] palace. I always thought it was a dojo. Dojo. Dojo. So I'm looking at a sex addict. Sex addict. Sex addict. Sex addict. Talk about a lowb blow. Oh no. Oh no, there's also a really tough one. I found a shoe box full of handwritten letters from brokenhearted women wishing you could have been better. Sheets pulled off the bed, strewn on the floor, long black hair, probably from the night before.

Dwayne Reed bag with the handles tied. Sex toys butt plugs lube inside. Hundreds of Trojans. You're so [ __ ] broken. How'd I get caught up in your double life? So they were in an open relationship. This is part of I also have I find this very complicated. Extremely complic.

First of all, congratulations and thank you. You've popped me out of my mood. I'm going to go take that out of the trash.

All it takes is a [ __ ] pal. So, you hear from the very beginning the story of this basically how she he asked her for an open relationship.

Can I pause for half a second? They don't sell butt plugs at Dwayne Reed, do they?

Maybe that was that back scratcher you threw out. That might have been really That's a huge plug.

I mean, maybe that's just how he was carrying him all his [ __ ] around. He just grabbed a plastic bag and put all his sex [ __ ] in there,

I guess. But you like you don't have a bag. He doesn't have a backpack or a bag. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm getting bogged down in the details.

Yeah. Um and maybe they do sell Maybe there's like behind it. Oh, because like every like there's no shame in anything I've heard so far.

Toys shame if Okay, so she starts the album by talking about how she got cast in this play in London. She goes to London and then he kind of turns on her a little bit and he calls her and he asks for a

open relationship and she says yes. Okay. So, and she plays like she plays the her side of the conversation on the phone, but really it's like her recreating it.

Okay. I assume I assume she didn't record that. Okay. Okay. So, then what follows this whole album is uh they had rules as you should.

Sure. Boundaries. Boundaries. And it seems that he really crossed all these boundaries. It seems like they were supposed to only have sex with sex workers.

Wow, that's an interesting parameter. I know, but that's their not judgmental, just saying interesting.

I agree. Um, but I think it's because the separation fear of the attachment. Exactly. So, sex workers. Um, yeah. No love, no sex I think in the house or bed. Oh, sure. The marital bed. Exactly. Shared locations. Anyway, it seems that that didn't happen. He fell in love with this person. Her name is Meline. She says that there's a song called Meline.

Yeah. It's like really putting everyone on. She was maline for Halloween. Like she's really leaning in.

Lily Allen was went as Maline. Yeah. Okay. So there's just a lot of drama. Okay.

When you go at Halloween, Rob just is this her as the person she just put up. She looks like Tori Spelling.

She went She's gone as Tori Spelling. Listen to me. She This is Matteline the character. You know the like the illustration?

No. You know Mattaline the French I can kind of see it's like cartoon covermen. Lud Vig Bemman.

I do. I do. This is Lily Allen. That's Lily Allen as the character for Halloween. But that's a play off of in her album. The person that gets called out is this woman Meline. So she's just like le she's being cheeky.

Okay. She's playing she's being playful. She's being playful cheeky, but I find it a little like

Yeah. I'm a little concerned about it. Yeah. Yeah. So I This goes But we had this exact conversation about Taylor

Mhm. and the Charlie XCX and this type of thing where I was like I just think I mean Taylor's different but and the whole thing is different but I do feel like of course it's your right you're an artist so like you can do whatever you want

take your pain and make art out of it. Yeah. But I think it is so irresponsible to drag someone even if they like look I get it like you're so mad and you just want to throw them in the garbage like you threw that back scratcher in the garbage but like what about so many people are affected more than him. I mean not more than other than him. She has kids who are, you know,

when I try to imagine what she's feeling like to make the decision to go to Halloween is that it's in it feels like it could be either I'm hurting so much.

Mhm. I want to hurt and embarrass you. Yeah. Back. Halloween or the album? Well, both.

Okay. Um, but Halloween to me is where we really Well, that's like extra. The whole thing is the album and everyone is talking about and everyone's like, "Oh my god." And everyone's like, "David Harbor,

right?" So I think the desire is I'm hurting a lot. You've hurt me. Yes. I want to hurt you back.

Yeah. And that I understand. But then I would just I'd do the same thing. Time out.

Yeah. Tio. I don't think you're hurting him. I don't think that's working. I don't think he's hurt by this. I think he feels probably confirmed that it was right to not be with her. So for starters, I don't think it had the it would have the desired outcome.

Right? So I think there's either that that would be one thing I could understand.

And then another thing I could understand is I'm deeply humiliated. Now this is kind of what I would do, right? I'm humiliated by this and embarrassed. And the way I take ownership of it back is to go as this other woman to Halloween. In the same way I make fun of myself before you can. Like there's a there's a judo move to go like I'm not affected by this. Look, I'm playing with this. This is I'm [ __ ] with this. And it's like and I think in it could be an attempt to um salvage your own. Does that make sense to you?

What I'm saying? It does. But she's not embarrassed. She's This is like a huge album now. Like she's happy. I think the reason she's leaning in and going as Maline for Halloween is a promotional. Yeah. But I'm asking more about the the actual art itself. Like I is is that okay? And I guess like okay is gray like oh yes it's should be allowed.

Yes. Is it ethical? Is it ethical to do what she just did? Like I find this conf hard hard to answer.

I think it's fine. So that's my answer. It's totally fine. And the result of her actions are in my opinion he doesn't look bad. She looks nuts. and she has now limited I think her future with anyone that isn't rational. So yes, I think it's totally fine if she does it and then I think she'll pay whatever price comes with that which I think will be a real one. I'm not even evaluating what he did. I'm saying when someone does deal with their very long-term intimate relationship in a very knee-jerk public way,

forget the details. I go, "Oh, that's a that's a way to deal with it." Yeah, me too. That's my whole point.

So, I'm saying that's not a good look for her. Forget the details. Just the notion like if that if Kristen and I got divorced and my first stop was us weekly to give a playby-play breakdown of everything she did wrong, that says more about me than her.

I Yeah, that's what my point is. Yeah. Feels very Amber Heard, Johnny Depp. Yeah. It feels it feels to me that they probably were meant for each other.

It's probably a very tumultuous high high intensity relationship. Yes, I agree.

I think um some people will be thinking, well, what if he hit her? Could she not?

She should go to the police. Yes. Exactly. So, I think if anytime something you can't go to the police over, which you should

be a thousand% clear. Yeah. Yes. In any relationship, anyone gets physical, you should go to the police.

Yeah. So, anything short of the person breaking the law, sorry, that's just shitty girlfriend, shitty boyfriend, [ __ ] run-of-the-mill stuff. And that's life.

It is. And I guess that again, that's the thing. But you're allowed to write about your life in a memoir. You're allowed to write it like you're allowed. It's just like at what point does the line cross?

And I guess it's person to person. Yeah. It just it's individual. You're allowed that goes. Yeah, it's leg. It's a it's legal.

Yeah, exactly. But it's it's totally I'm not saying anyone shouldn't. I will just file that person into a category in my mind and that's the price you'll pay. So when you're deciding whether you want to do it, you just go like,

well, what will be the fallout? What will most people think? Yeah, it's But I think if you're young and you have recently been cheated on and feel heartbroken and you hear this, you're going to be a moth to a flame. You're you're going to feel very comforted by it.

I think a lot of people feel seen. Yeah. And I get that. I mean, this this is my definitive statement on it. I totally support it because it's art and there are there's art that I like that people find grotesque and overshare, whatever they think.

Yeah. Um, but that's art and um, so I support it, you know, at the end of the day and it's not for me, right?

But a lot of art's not for me, right? Yeah. Okay. I want to say an opposite thing.

Okay. Uh, I saw Sentimental Value, the movie Sentimental Value. Okay. And talk about a piece of art that I support.

Oh, okay. And And I It's so good. It's so beautiful. What got you to the theater? cuz I was not even aware of the movie. So, how how did it come across your desk?

So, I love the movie The Worst Person in the World. It's one of my favorites and it is the same director and the same actress in the movie. I heard that this was coming out like earlier this year and I've been waiting and waiting and waiting and like November, that's way too long.

And it'll almost be in 2026 by then. Exactly. But it came and I went to the theater first weekend

and I saw it and it is a masterpiece gorgeous movie. I can't wait to see it and it's really uh it speaks so beautifully to family dynamics complicated and simple

ones and um it's it's it's gorgeous. I really highly recommend it. Can't wait. And I think after what happened today with your back scratcher

Uhhuh. you'll see I'll feel foolish. You'll just feel like I can already tell I'm gonna feel foolish.

No, you don't have to feel foolish. I'm already feeling foolish and just cuz I've calmed down. I might have to remove it from the trash can.

Okay, great. Then well then I got to clean it cuz it was in the trash can and it'll never get used so I don't really need to clean it.

What if you take it out and then there's a maggot on it and then you get maggots in the house and then it's like jokes on you. gross. Um, all right, let's do facts.

Facts. In the spirit of honesty, I'm not done with this episode. Great. Okay. Yeah.

So, there might be facts left on the table. I'm so sorry. It's okay. I'm sorry.

Everyone will live. Everyone will live. I think you will make I think you will live. I think you will get through it. But I do have a few cuz I did I did get

few's better than none. Few is better than none. That's what they say. Benefits of creatine. Okay.

Okay. Creatine is a natural source of energy that helps your skeletal muscles relax, contract. It helps create a steady supply of energy in your muscles so they can keep working, especially while you're exercising. If you have diabetes, though, you probably shouldn't take it.

Oh, really? Yeah. It says studies show that it's safe for many people to take creatine supplements. However, there isn't enough evidence Oh, there isn't enough evidence to show if it's safe if you are pregnant or breastfeeding.

Oh, I got you. They just haven't tested on all these different people. Have diabetes,

diabetes, kidney disease, have liver disease. Um, and if you have bipolar disorder, it says creatine may also increase your risk of mania.

Oh, we don't want that. You know, this is from the Cleveland Clinic. Studies suggest that creatine supplements may help brain function in people's 60 and older. This includes short-term memory, reasoning, neurop protection, keeping groups of nerve cells safe from injury or damage. Researchers are studying whether creatine supplements may help people with cognitive conditions, including dementia. I mean, obviously, there's like a lot of stuff with muscles.

Sure. That is beneficial. Um, helps recovery. Do you know I had be I had a third grade education before I started taking creatin.

Wow. And then you graduated from UCLA. That's right. The America's hardest school to get into.

I want to take it. Um Mary Claire Haver who we had on the permenopause expert recommends it for women. So I would I'm going to start taking it. I think

you should. I could have also gotten into UCLA. I just didn't apply. But I think

you figured out though from your GPA that that would have been quite a challenge.

Okay. No. Yeah. No, I did great in school. Yeah. And I would have got Yeah. better than you and I would have got in because I also have

Indian diversity and southern diversity. We already discussed this. Southern. Um,

this is the new square footage of your house debate. I think um Okay. Okay, I looked up percentage of people with cola.

I might have to find my diploma and hang it behind my head. No, I don't know where it is, but I think it might be worth finding it.

And then I'll also print out that page that said it's the hardest. So when people see, oh, did you go to UCL? Like, what's that other thing? Oh, wow. It was the hardest school in the world to get into.

Okay. Not the world. Didn't you have a third grade education before you started taking creatin?

Not the world. I don't have a thing of a jar of creatin next to that. So it'll be the diploma, the bonafides, and then the reason.

Now, coloma. I love it. I looked up percentage of people with coloma and percentage of people with heterocchromia.

Yeah, I know someone with that, too. He has both. He has both. Yeah. Oh, I get so distracted by the colonoba. No, I don't think so. It just it takes over enough of his eye that it looks like he has different color eyes, but I don't think he has both.

Oh, are you sure? I'm pretty sure. Dang. Find a nice closeup of his eyes. Yeah, you're right.

He would be That'd be a double jackpot. That's why I thought it was extra cool.

Yeah. No. Coloma affects approximately 1 in 10,000 people or about 0.01%. That's rare.

That's cool. Yeah, that's very limited edition. Extremely limited edition. I bet he's insecure about it, but I genuinely love it. It makes it so much more interesting to talk to him, and I hope he feels that way. And it does make it look like he has heterocchromia.

Yeah. Which I love. Which is also affects less than 1% of the human population worldwide.

And I have a friend whose daughter has it and I used to hold her as a baby and I've been around her a ton. And it wasn't until this summer I was looking at her and I went, "Oh my god, you have heterocchromia."

You noticed it only now? Yes. Now she's just old enough to like lock in and talk to you as an adult and I was like, "Whoa,

what colors are they? Blue and brown. Really? Yeah. Wow. There's a a Blue Jays picture that has the heterocchromia.

Oh, wow. Some of those players were very cute. I wasn't rooting for them. That was so fun. We didn't even talk about that. The Dodgers won.

I know. It was the craziest series. I There cannot have ever been a more hotly contested series. Like, has there ever been one, Rob, where they went 15 innings, they went 11 innings? Like, like that? That's got to be the closest. Yeah, I think that was the most innings played in a World Series.

Wow. There you go. That's so cool. We had so much fun watching it. Watching the game seven.

Yeah. Where were you? Charlie's Charlie and he hosted uh you were out of town but

yeah I was hosting a birthday party and I was doing that thing I did at the Globes which is I was like watching it at my seat and I was afraid I was going to miss my queue to go introduce a new

I would imagine a lot of people at that party were they made an announcement about phones you couldn't have your phone out so I was really breaking the rules

oh no but I had to check in with the scores my Los Angeles Most of the people in the room weren't from Los Angeles they can be forgiven

and of course no one's from Toronto. Just kidding. Toronto, I love you. I didn't feel as great about the victory that I would normally. Did you?

Yes. I thought it was the absolute best way to win. Yeah. Just they fought so hard and they haven't won in a long time and it was a big deal that they get You're This is why you're a champ. This is why you're champ. If I were competing against him, I'd start throwing it like I'm going to throw this guy a [ __ ] heater. I'm gonna I'm gonna give him a home run. These boys deserve it. They're from They're from Canada.

Deserve. Yeah, they're from Canada. Monica, got this. OH, WOW. YEAH. Rob just put up a picture of the blue. Oh my god.

And he's showing us his Adams apple. He has a big Adam. He's a big girthy Adams apple.

Um, and he has heterocchromia. It's Max Sherzer. He's cute. Yeah, he's very cute. If he wants to move to LA and if he's single,

he's rich, athletic. He's got a wife, but get rid of her. Come to LA. They all have wives. It's so irritating.

Anyway, you didn't feel bad for them at all. I felt like they put up a good fight and that's slight game.

When we were playing the Yankees last year in the playoffs and we won, I'm like, "Yeah, [ __ ] we beat the Yankees." Like, they're they're the you know, they're the underdogs, Monica. We liked

I'm not interested. No, like it's who is the best. I know. I know. The best is the best. Don't get upset.

Listen, some victories felt feel better than others. Can we agree on that? Yeah, but I thought this victory felt so good.

I know, but we were Goliath. Like, when we beat the Yankees, they're Goliath. And that feels awesome.

Listen. Okay. As someone who has won two state championships, one being a David and one being a Goliath.

Yeah. You've been on both ends. I've been on both ends. And that first one was better. It was better to win.

Yeah. Like for me. Yeah. And probably for the audience. But I don't like that. Like I like that we if we had lost because people were booing.

Mhm. Don't make fun of me because people were booing because we were somehow Goliath.

Yeah. I'm like, "Fuck you. We're the best." There you go. Yeah. Then great. And we get to be the best because guess what? We are.

Right. Right. This is the heart and mind of a champion and I respect it. I loved it. The fact that we were like down, we weren't going to win for a lot of that game and then we came back. These are the victories that really pack a punch.

Uhhuh. And um you know, we were I was with Charlie and Erica and Ryan and Amy and Laura and Matt. Matt is a Blue Jays of course he's from Canada. He's from Toronto. Yeah. Um and I was there and Jess and Anna, it was so fun. And you know, at one point Ryan was like, "Let's" He wanted to leave. Sure. He was like, "We lost."

Oh, okay. He gave up. Yeah. He gets so emotional during games. I watched him play a football games with him once and I said, "It's too much for me, Ryan. I can't like his he his emotions."

Yeah. And his emotions are just they're they're really plugged in. Yeah. But he wasn't screaming or anything. He didn't throw anything.

He just he he was defeated and he and he told Amy like, "We should go." Yeah. I want to go.

And I was like, "No." Oh, I said there's a lot of game left. Yeah. Don't give up.

And I was right. Yes. Yes, you were. Uh, it was really fun. So, you had a fourth fact you didn't even remember you had, which is LA won the World Series.

That's right. And I really loved that part. And this is not very me, but I did love the part in the movie. No, when the picture, you know, the can

Oh my goodness. You had a little bit to drink. I think you know the guy just happened.

You know the guy. It's because I was Canada guy. I was You can see someone on a bar stool trying to say Canadian guy and just hung up on Canada. But I was also starting trying trying to say catcher or pitcher. Like I got confused. There was a lot going on in my head.

The pitcher, the Dodgers pitcher was throwing and the Canadian at bat was trying to get hit.

Oh, interesting. Okay. And then that's why the pitcher got so pissed and then he did hit him

and he said, "Fuck you, motherfucker." He did. Yeah. And you can just It's silent, but it's

It's hard for me to know whether this is in your head or this was on camera. Yeah. No, I think that happened.

He said, "Fuck you, motherfucker." You think you guys, this was game seven? We had a [ __ ] you [ __ ] Those sweet

and they all ran. Do you remember when the canad I don't even It's not Canada. You guys didn't even watch apparently. So yeah, Justin Roblesi.

No, it happened. The bench was cleared after. Well, that was at the beginning of the game. Wasn't that the third inning?

It's just in the game. Bottom of the fourth. Bottom of the fourth. Okay, great.

Right. I missed that part. You missed it? Yeah, I didn't see that part. Oh, it was a big part of the game.

And it was hot. Yeah, you're mixed messages. Like, do you hate aggression? You hate violence,

but I love winning, right? So, you have priorities. That makes sense. We all have, you know,

we make concessions for bigger priorities. And I did. I was like I was like, "Fuck, [ __ ] that guy."

Yeah. Yeah. trying to get [ __ ] Canadian kind of guys. I looked up this guy after the hot one that screamed.

He's much younger than me and I think he also has a wife and he's from Georgia.

Actually, I don't know if he has a wife, but he's too young. That's such [ __ ]

It's not. You can't say that till you've met them. He's 25. You don't know. He could be so mature.

Oh, he grew up IN MY HOMETOWN. OH, BY THAT'S ANOTHER STRIKE. Hoffman estate. Oh, that's cool because that's Georgia and by coastal.

He said he he had to apologize to his mom. Oh, you love it. I love that women. There he is.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's cute, right? You kind of like white trash. Look. It's kind of surprises me sometimes cuz he looks like he went to Milford High School with me.

He went to G. He looks like a Georgia boy. Yeah. I mean, he's got a [ __ ] short long. He's got shaved sides and a big big wolf in back. He's got a

look how No, he's cute. I like it. But I am a little surprised you do cuz this dude's like he's driving around a 79 Trans Am with a tea top off, drinking a glass bottle of Mountain Dew, cut off jean shorts, a Via high tops with no laces, yelling [ __ ] you out the window with reckless abandon.

Here's the better one. Oh yeah, dude. This guy's dirty. No. Oh, he's nasty. Monica, you should take him for a ride.

You don't have to marry him, but take him for a ride. Let me Yeah, we all agreed he was getting [ __ ] that night.

Yeah. Can you look up if he's married? Can you look up if he [ __ ] that night?

He definitely [ __ ] that night. That's a fact. I can check. Can I check? He might have gotten too drunk to [ __ ] that night.

I don't think he is married. No, he's 25. He ain't married. People are married.

If you want to [ __ ] Monica, what's his name? No, I'm not. I'm cutting that. Oh, Rabski,

you're asking right now out loud. Hey, will you come over and treat me like it's the World Series game seven? Oh,

I got nervous cuz he's rejecting me. I can feel it. He's going I just imagine the whole thing. Like someone sends him this clip and he's like, "Ew."

No, he's like, "What's our address?" No, he's like, "God, you're so stupid sometimes. You are so stupid sometimes." I don't know. I mean, it makes sense you didn't get to UCLA.

Um, you couldn't be more stupid, but that's okay. We'll move on. Oh, okay. It was Wall Street 2. Who said what's your number?

Jacob Moore asked the question, "What's your number?" He's speaking to Brett and James. Jacob Moore is the Shia Labuff character.

Okay. So, he's the one that says it. Breton James is friend of the pod. Jess was I need to go home. I don't know.

Let's get you home. Let's get you some. I think you need an IV for fluid. I am stroked.

I had muscle spasms. Yeah. Okay. Friend of the pod Josh Brolan. How does Josh fit into all this? Oh, that was the character that said it.

Yeah. No, that received it. Received it. Okay. Shilabuff asked it. Oh, interesting. Boy, this answers the craziest question.

What? That's so weird. So, I stumbled upon um John Brenthal's episode of his show, Real Ones with Shia Labou. Okay.

It's incredible. I mean, it has 12 million views. I'm not Okay. Like I didn't discover something.

Yeah. But it's an incredible interview. You You've got to watch it. It's [ __ ] wild.

What do you mean it's an interview? Well, John has a podcast. Wait, John Bernthal, who our friend of the pot.

Yeah, he has a He had Shia Buff on on his podcast called Real Ones. Oh, and it's uh remember how much he was talking about how Shia Shia like got to the Tank movie and he's like this guy's way too much. And then by the middle was like no this guy's [ __ ] walking away.

Yes. So they have this connection and Shia I don't think has come out and spoken publicly about all the gnarliness he's created.

Yeah. and he does in this interview and it's so captivating and it's a level of honesty I I don't know if I've ever seen public. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz shy hit girls. He's a domestic abuser

and he talks about it. Yes. He owns it in this crazy crazy way that I I'm just shook by the level of ownership and uh and and introspection he has on it. And uh

Oh my god. He's like, "Yeah, man. I'm going to be apologizing for the rest of my life, and I need to.

I have to and I should." Is he sober? Yeah. Good job, John Bernthal. It's a great interview. I was going to

recommend to Brolan. So weird you just said all this. Weird. Yeah, cuz I was texting with Brolan and I I was like, "Oh, I'm going to recommend this thing to him."

Why? just cuz cuz of the level of um of inventory this man has done and is willing to say in public is like I it's [ __ ] crazy.

Yeah. And um and I know Roland would like would enjoy a thing like that in the same way I I enjoy it. And then but I had this thought I don't know if he's worked with Shia. He might like if you've worked with him and I would imagine during his chaos maybe you hate his gods and there's no way you're going to be able to listen to this thing. And it just crossed my mind like, "Oh, I want to recommend it to Josh, but I kind of want to figure out first." Yeah.

Has he worked with them? And then now you're telling me three hours later. That's weird. That's

That is weird. That is weird. Well, we love Josh Brolan. We love his episodes. He's a He's a great guest. Um,

this reminds me though. It's so funny. So Beth's dead is out and a lot of people have consumed the whole thing because they've moved over to Patreon. So that we're starting to get feedback on the end

which is very interesting cuz I'm no spoilers but people have a lot of thoughts and opinions on the end and it's so funny. We're all projecting our own stuff

as we do everything at all times. But it is it's been so interesting to hear. I know. Like I posted the clip, the clip I chose to post of Reese was her talking about writing on a daughter's mind with a Sharpie and not a dry erase board.

And there were a handful of people were like, "What about boys? You don't think that goes for boys?" And it was like, "Yeah, talk about projection." Like, well, a, she's a she's a girl, so she was a daughter. She she can't speak about what the impact is on a boy cuz it's she's telling her story.

Yes. For starters. Yes. Because she said that about girls does not mean she said that's not true for boys. But you filled in.

Yes. It's not true for boys. And that's like the the power of like your narrative is already no one gives a [ __ ] about boys. And so I hear one thing about girls and like I knew, you know,

right? Yeah. It's crazy how like you can look at this clip that is like so benign and and beautiful and true to her and get really triggered by it.

I know. Well, that's why. But yeah, it's just funny to hear. Yeah. People have such specific reactions to things and it says so much about you. Your reaction says so much about you.

Yeah. And I think I'm proud of that with Bethstead that it it's caused that. Yeah.

It's like has the ability to cause people to feel a lot of things. Yeah. And disagree about them. Yeah. It's it's been interesting.

That's why we love cereal. It like it begat debate. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. The one thing I fact I got to check and I'm embarrassed. I said I watched Too Big to Fail. I was obsessed with it. I was obsessed with it, but I said I watched it in college.

It's not possible. It's [ __ ] me up a little bit because in my head I like have a memory of being in my college apartment.

Yeah. Doing this, but I wasn't. It's so confusing. We had a screener two years before. Comm major, marketing.

I was I was a PR major, but um and theater. Um I have two diplomas. Back to your diplomas thing.

Well, they're easy to get there. So, I'm not surprised you didn't get three. They're not easy at all. Um

they say it takes five diplomas from UG A to equal one UCLA diploma. Okay. So, I want the world to know I don't think this about UCLA at all. I'm just doing it because I love that it agitates. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's I mean it's I mean objectively it's the hardest school in the world to get into but I don't even care.

Oh my god. Graduates of UCLA just they twist everything. Now I I guess I think what happened is when I was home for the holidays I unfortunately I didn't even it's not even in the year I lived at home

right I lived here in Los Angeles I must have been home for Christmas and watched it and then I couldn't stop watching it

and so I was around all those people from college. Yeah. But wow did that really mess me up.

Cut yourself some slack. Think how much this brain is holding. I mean, you've [ __ ] been here for 38 years and you have a lot of it. It's kind of crazy.

But what can be trusted? None of it. Trusted all. Let God sort them out. I love you.

Love you.

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