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Part Two: Lord Haw-Haw: Hitler's Favorite Anglo Propagandist | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Part Two: Lord Haw-Haw: Hitler's Favorite Anglo Propagandist | BEHIND THE BASTARDS", an episode of Behind the Bastards published December 19, 2025 (1 h 2 min, about 10,371 words). It mentions 18 people, works and ideas, including William Joyce, National Socialist League, British Union of Fascists, Oswald Mosley, John Beckett.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: William Joyce, British Union of Fascists, John Beckett, Margaret White
  2. – 20:00: Battle of Cable Street, National Socialist League, British Union of Fascists, John Beckett
  3. – 30:00: National Socialist League, Margaret Joyce
  4. – 40:00: William Joyce, Twilight Over England
  5. – 50:00: Blue Apron
  6. – 1:00:00: William Joyce, Captain Bertie Licorice, Bassets, George Lincoln Rockwell

Notable quotes from "Part Two: Lord Haw-Haw: Hitler's Favorite Anglo Propagandist | BEHIND THE BASTARDS"

  • Make no more Prince Andrew jokes. So, no sweat. returning to this week's bastard, William Joyce, when we left at the end of part one, all of his political projects that he had…
    about William Joyce · at
  • Anti-Hitler while Mosley remained very much pro- Hitler. so much so that in 1932 Mosley founded the British Union of Fascists or BUFF.
    about British Union of Fascists · at
  • Beyond the BUFF and even political opponents came to hear him. One such was John Beckett, former Labor Party member of Parliament. Quote, I first saw him in 1933 at a crowded…
    about John Beckett · at
  • Mosley got the opportunity to dismiss Joyce in late 136 in the wake of the fascist defeat at the Battle of Cable Street. Between 1933 and 1936, Mussolini had sent Mosley a secret annual stipend of £60,000 perom. Again, remember.
    about Battle of Cable Street · at
  • Pod Adolf Hitler as his new political messiah and he left the BUFF to form his own organization called the National Socialist League with John Beckett, the secretly halfjewemer…
    about National Socialist League · at
  • William and Margaret Joyce arrived in the Third Reich without a plan. Joyce had not been in contact with the Nazis beforehand, and unlike Mosley's BUFF, the Nazis had no idea who this guy was.
    about Margaret Joyce · at
  • He also published a book on Anglo-German relations entitled Dammer Ober England or Twilight Over England which was promoted by the German Ministry of Propaganda. It compared…
    about Twilight Over England · at
  • Accompanied by his commanding officer, who had the most English name ever, Captain Bertie Licorice.
    about Captain Bertie Licorice · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • William Joyce — Person · 11 mentions · first at
  • Oswald Mosley — Person · 2 mentions · first at
    When he found another wouldbe messiah, enter stage right, Sir Oswald Mosley.
  • John Beckett — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • Margaret Joyce — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • Captain Bertie Licorice — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • Patrick Oorc — Person · 1 mention · first at
    And our host and topic expert is Patrick Oorc. Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for doing this. And yeah, I'm I'm excited to see how this guy becomes the mouthpiece of the German.
  • Margaret White — Person · 1 mention · first at
    The man with the iron heart. Yeah. Yeah, man. Anyway, amongst Mosley's adoring fascist fans was Margaret White, an organizer of the women's section of the BUFF, and within days…
  • Sylvia Morris — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Course that Joyce through to form soon started an affair with another fascist fan girl named Sylvia Morris. So these two Margaret and William Joyce are just one of the most toxic couples ever and they both constantly cheat on the other.
  • George Lincoln Rockwell — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Neo-Nazis and sell for up to $10,000 online today. In the 1960s, American Nazi party leader George Lincoln Rockwell inspired Terry Burn, an overweight Irish house painter who lived with his mom in Dublin to found the Irish Nazi party.
  • Joseph Goebbels — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

Companies & orgs

  • National Socialist League — Company · 5 mentions · first at
  • British Union of Fascists — Company · 3 mentions · first at
  • Bassets — Company · 1 mention · first at
    And there's actually a British company, Bassets, a sweet company, like a candy company who make licorice all sorts and have done for like a hundred years. And their mascot is called Bertie. Like how the [ __ ] did his.
  • Irish Nazi Party — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Overweight Irish house painter who lived with his mom in Dublin to found the Irish Nazi party.
  • RAF — Company · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

Sponsors

  • Blue Apron — Sponsor · 1 mention · first at
    Absolutely. I remember your old ad pivot and the joke you had about the child hunting island with Blue Apron, but you would always got us in trouble.

Full transcript with timestamps

Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the very worst people in all of history. And this week we are on part two of our episodes on Lord Haha. And this is Reverse Bastards. Uh I am sitting in the guest chair this week. And our host and topic expert is Patrick Oorc. Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for doing this. And yeah, I'm I'm excited to see how this guy becomes the mouthpiece of uh the German fascist movement in the UK.

Uh thanks very much, Robert. I hope um in and thanks for having me back. I hope in part one your ears aren't bleeding from all my terrible British impressions that I'm not loading them on too thick.

They're much better than mine. Uh my my poor wife is upstairs putting the kids to bed and uh they can hear me doing the accents. So now both of my sons are like doing their best attempts at posh British accents and terrifying their poor mother.

Just absolute hell for her. Absolutely. So she has it in surround sound. Anyway, so we're back for more bastardry. Uh what do you think? You're you're excited for uh Joyce's escapade so far and see where where he's going to end up. Right.

Sure. Yeah. So iHeart's lawyers reached out to me after the last recording and demanded I make no more Prince Andrew jokes. So, no sweat. Um, returning to this week's uh bastard, William Joyce, when we left at the end of part one, all of his political projects uh that he had ever gotten involved in had ended in disaster. In the early 1930s, he was an insignificant and embittered high school teacher, spouting conspiracy theories to anyone who would listen, whilst cheating on his wife with one of his students. when he found another wouldbe messiah,

enter stage right, Sir Oswald Mosley. Now, regular listeners to the podcast will know that Oswald, Tommy Mosley, 6'2, was a British aristocrat who became the youngest ever sitting member of Parliament in the 1918 British general election. Uh, Robert, did you know that in the mid 1920s, Mosley was a fishing buddy of future American president FDR? I did not know that.

Yeah, I just sent you an email there with a photo if you want to open it up. This is their beach party. How would you describe this to the listeners?

It It looks like a Christian rock album cover. It looks like a Christian rock album cover.

What would What would What would they call their band? Oh my god. Uh jeez. I don't know. Um yeah, the Apostles. I don't know what you do. It It looks like I don't know how else to describe it. Like you have I I think that's FDR there in the middle who's like sitting in the water with with his arms up in like a prayer gesture. You have uh which which one of those is that Crosby in the right? Um or is that uh uh Mosley?

I think that's I think that's Mosley. Yeah, he's like half kneeling with again his hands up in prayer. And then the third guy, Crosby, I guess, is laying on his back with his legs in the air and they're all just kind of like like flat against like right in like the tide pool level of the ocean, it looks like. Um,

can can you imagine the kind of selfies they would have taken if they had had smartphones?

No, no, no. But it would have gotten them all cancelled. Like FDR would never have been the president. They would have all gotten in horrible trouble.

Yeah. Basically Mosley's first wife, um, Lady Cynthia Kerzen was totally [ __ ] famous. She was the daughter of a really famous British lord. So that's probably how they met. But they vacationed together for a month in Florida in February of 1926.

Um, however, their budding political bromance fell apart when the two men adopted radically different positions on Hitler. FDR would end up being a fan.

Yeah. would definitely end up being anti-Hitler while Mosley remained very much pro- Hitler. Uh so much so that in 1932 Mosley founded the British Union of Fascists or BUFF.

Sure did. Yeah. And you've done I think two episodes on this guy uh Robert or three even. Um so obviously check those out listeners if you want more on on Mosley. uh Mosley attempted to merge all of the veterans of um nient of the nient fascist movement uh in the UK together in the BUFF. Now the British Union of Fascists or BUF was heavily influenced by Italian fascism. The BUFF's uniform consisted of a black fencing jacket and black trousers. The BUFF also adopted the so-called Roman salute. In the 1920s, the Italian fascists were the first political movement to adopt the salute, which was later made famous by the Nazis and recently b brought back into vogue by Richard Spencer, Steve Bannon, and Elon Musk. Mosley's black shirts adopted the salute, but added their own unique British element to the gesture by shouting PJ whilst giving it, short, not for pajamas, but perish Judah. The motto

of Mosley's new organization was loyalty to the king and empire and the building of the greater Britain. And of course, William Joyce loved all of this and he joined immediately. Throughout his life, Joyce had one phenomenal god-like talent which he used frequently uh but never used for good. He was an incredible aator, a unique talent, possibly one of the greatest speakers of his generation. He could speak without notes for several hours if necessary without faltering or losing his train of thought once. At one BUFF rally in Evum, he spoke for over 4 hours with one enraptured onlooker commenting, "People stayed for the whole length of the speech out of sheer curiosity to see how long he could keep it up."

There wasn't a lot going on back then. They didn't have Netflix or anything, you know.

There wasn't. But it was easy to keep people in a line. Yeah. Everyone, political opponents, um, rivals in the fascist movement, everyone agrees this man is an incredible speaker. Um, the journalist makes sense Ceil Roberts who witnessed him speak recalled,

quote, "I have been a connoisseur of speech making for over a quarter of a century, but never before had I met a personality so terrifying in its dynamic force, so vituprative, so vitriolic. The words poured from him in a corrosive state. We listened in a kind of frozen hypnotism to his cold, stabbing voice. There was a gleam of Marat in his eyes, and his eloquence took on a satanic ring with which he invoked the rising rat of his audience against the festering scum who, by cowardice and sloth, had reduced the British Empire to a marabound thing.

So Joyce's fame as a speaker spread well beyond the BUFF and even political opponents came to hear him. One such was John Beckett, former Labor Party member of Parliament. Quote, I first saw him in 1933 at a crowded meeting at Paddington Bats. I had left political uh life and the Labor Party in disgust two years previously. But within 10 minutes of this 27year-old taking the platform, I knew he was one of the finest orators in the country. He had the trade unionist and labor MP Philip Snowden's close reasoning and unnering instinct for words combined with the Scottish pacifist James Maxton's humor and the conservative Winston Churchill's daring.

His great audience assembled to hear a speaker quite unknown in the political world and the enthusiasm he created was an eyeopener for me. Beckett was the son of a Christian father and a Jewish mother. He had come to the meeting as a curious left-wing opponent and he departed a committed fascist and soon joined the BUFF after hearing Joyce speak.

That's a rare uh unholy talent. Um, Joyce's oretary brilliance led his fellow black shirts hailing him as quote, "The mighty Atom, the master, the professor, and most chillingly, the man without a soul."

Yeah. I mean, they like the bootlicking goes down all the way with these people, right? Like they're they're that's kind of key to the fascist thing is you have to have someone that you're like embarrassingly dick writing for. And in this case, like that's that's what it means to be a leader within these movements is to have a bunch of people making up the most cringe-worthy praise and nicknames for you they possibly could. It's the it's the old timey equivalent of [ __ ] having an AI make Donald Trump look jacked.

Yeah. The man without his soul. The only other nickname I can compare it to from the time is Hitler calling Reinard Hydrickch.

The man with the iron heart. The man with the iron heart. Yeah. Yeah, man. Anyway, amongst Mosley's adoring fascist fans was Margaret White, an organizer of the women's section of the BUFF, and within days of first meeting, the two began an affair. Joyce eventually dumped his first wife, Hazel, to take Margaret as his second wife. His pet name for her was Mother Sheep, and she in turn referred to him lovingly as the old ram. Uh Margaret later boasted that she was like a dom and Joyce was her sub and that he was pathologically devoted to her. She did not know of course that Joyce through to form soon started an affair with another fascist fan girl named Sylvia Morris. So these two Margaret and William Joyce are just one of the most toxic couples ever and they both constantly cheat on the other.

Now look, I'm not judging people if that's their thing. open marriages as as a couple or whatever, that's your thing. Fine. But according to their joint biographer, Nigel Farndale, this was done by each of them without the consent of

they were part of the point was that they were cheating on each other. That was important to both of them that they be cheating. Yeah,

presumably that gave them the trill or whatever. She was constantly cockolding him and altered between pouring affection on him, mocking him, making him sexually jealous and frustrated. He responded by screaming verbal abuse at her, conducting his own illicit affairs, and inflicting occasional bouts of domestic violence on her. The fact that both of them were increasingly dysfunctional alcoholics did not help matters in their very, very [ __ ] up relationship with just got it increasingly worse the longer they were together.

Yeah, that scans. That makes sense. Now, sure. Mosley himself was no stranger to extrammarital affairs, mistresses, and multiple spouses. and he also of course shared Joyce's talent for oretry. Uh Mosley uh appointed Joyce the BUF's director of propaganda uh which was a full-time paid position. He paid about £300 per year at a time when the average construction worker would have made about 130 per year. So he's doing quite well off. uh and this allows Joyce to quit his teaching job and devote himself full-time to politics.

Mosley, of course, never joined in the agilation for Joyce, even though he respected his abilities. Um he referred to Joyce as the little man. Now, for reference, Oswald Tommy Mosley, as we know, was 6'2, whilst Joyce was just 5'5. And as Mosley's catty nickname for Joyce implies, the two men had a fraught, hyperarasitic relationship, which was the best term I could find online to describe their dynamic.

Okay. Uh, not a psychologist, but they're just two guys who were grifting off each other in an unending competition. Whilst Joyce had been drawn to the leader or Mosley by his strongman image and the promise of a new fascist uh British Empire, he felt that Mosley was too soft on the Irish question. Uh because Mosley was not calling for the British army to reinvade southern Ireland.

On on a political level, uh Mosley admired Joyce's manic energy, his intelligence and dedication to the BUFF. But an issue arose because of Joyce's fanatical, uncompromising, and unhinged anti-semitic rhetoric. As the BUFF grew in popularity, its public image was increasingly tarnished by a wave of anti-semitic attacks by the BUFF in the East End of London and of course the rising tide of anti-Jewish violence and pograms in Nazi Germany. In response to this, Mosley turned down his own anti-semitic remarks and repeatedly had to urge Joyce to do the same. And let's face it, you have a serious problem if Oswald Mosley, the British Hitler, is telling you to dial down the anti-Jewish stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. You're going a little hard, man. Uh Mosley uh on a personal level was wary of Joyce's popularity within the movement, and he viewed him as a potential threat to his leadership. regular weaknesses these movements always have. When you have two guys who are really good at the whole being charismatic thing, they inevitably fall out, right? You can't have two furers.

Yeah, they love a good furer fight. Um, yeah, regular uh bastards bad listeners will recall that Mosley served in World War I as a member of the Royal Flying Corps and he had crashed his airplane whilst doing a loop-de-loop to show off to his mother and sister who were watching him fly an airplane in an aerobatic display. As a result of this self-inflicted war wound, Mosley developed phobiotis in his leg which flared up from time to time. On one occasion, the phobias was so painful that he was not able to walk or stand to deliver a speech at a major black shirt rather. What is phabitis?

Cuz my only reference point is a joke they made with the Nixon character on Futurama. What what what are we talking about here? It's basically if you get a Now, not a medical doctor, but my understanding cuz I looked it up for this is if you get a broken bone and it doesn't heal properly, it can affect the nerves in the area around it and the nerves and the muscle can swell. So, your leg could swell up um so much so that it's painful to move the uh the joint. Gotcha. Uh,

again, not not a medical doctor, but that's that's what I could figure out from from a quick uh a quick Google. Uh, P H L E B I T I S. Uh, don't take my word for it. Go go go go and Google it yourself or ask your physician. Um,

or say the word while doing a Nixon accent. You you'll appreciate why it's such a good bit.

Okay, imagining that now. Um on one occasion uh it was so painful he was not able to walk or stand to deliver a speech at a major black shirt rally. Joyce took his place at the last moment giving a rousing erration as good if not better than anything Mosley could have delivered. Joyce was such a good standin that Mosley increasingly saw him as a threat and was now determined to keep the little man in line or to get rid of him altogether. Mosley got the opportunity to dismiss Joyce in late 136 in the wake of the fascist defeat at the Battle of Cable Street. Between 1933 and 1936, Mussolini had sent Mosley a secret annual stipend of £60,000 perom. Again, remember

Jesus. Yeah. Uh Jesus had not That's a lot of money back then. Yeah. It's uh you're talking again £130 for a construction worker's annual wage and Mosley is getting 60 grand.

Yeah, that's a shitload back then. Yeah. So, it gets laundered to Mosley through the London bank account of William Allen who's a former Belfast loyalist member of Parliament who had joined the British Union of Fascists. Um so but after the battle of Cable Street uh Mussolini regarded Mosley as a failure and he cut off the funds in 1937. Though Mosley did later get financial support uh from the Nazis, it never matched Mussolini's generosity and this left Mosley in financial difficulty. So when he announced cutbacks, the very first thing that had to go was the BUFF's Department of Propaganda, which Joyce had been director of, with an annual salary of £300. The loss of this wage was the last straw for Joyce, who already was suspicious that Mosley was quote too soft on the Jewish question.

So in 1937, Joyce adopted friend of the pod Adolf Hitler as his new political messiah and he left the BUFF to form his own organization called the National Socialist League with John Beckett, the secretly halfjewemer socialist MP that I mentioned earlier. Now Robert, what is the one thing that the Nazis in particular have always been streets ahead of compared to other political movements? Uh, I mean, I guess uh uh I would say like turning political violence into electoral success.

Yeah, that's that's that's one thing I was thinking more along the lines of style.

Oh my god. Yeah, the outfits. Jesus Christ. They looked so I mean, [ __ ] just look at the fascists we're dealing with today.

Like like Yeah. And honestly, Mussolini's brown Mussolini not not a greatl looking movement, you know, weird looking outfits, but the Nazis, they they had tailor.

They they they had it. Hugo boss was making their their uniforms. Yeah. Um so, uh think again of of how powerful the swasta was as a symbol. And I think you you covered this before and think of how evil, cool, and genocidally stylish the SS look in their black uniforms. So,

and that was a big reason why people joined them, right? You get a lot of early assessment men were like, "Well, I thought the uniforms looked cool." Like that kind of my politics descended from me wanting to look cool. Um off many such cases, unfortunately.

That's it. So, speaking of of of um you know, brilliant symbolism and style, I have sent you um the if you look in the emails, the the logo um that uh that William Joyce designed for the National Socialist League.

Yes. So, I'm I'm looking at it and honestly it it it looks more like the logo for a Prey Away the gay camp. There's a bunch of like I would I know what it's supposed to be. It looks like like about four or five four to six rolling pins are are forming like uh like um almost like a Star of David type design with like a blue circle around them and then the word steer straight underneath it.

I I know that the the the rolling pins are actually supposed to be like a like a a ship's wheel, right? Yeah.

What with England and the Navy being such a big deal, but just the whole steer straight thing, it it looks like it's a it looks like a pray away the gay camp logo. Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. And I mean, think of it even steer straight as a motto like um the Nazis have Deutsanderv, you know, German Wake and these guys have steer straight. But Robert, do you know who else has a dog [ __ ] logo?

Uh well, I mean, look, it was a long time ago when we got the logo for this podcast. It's done all right for us.

[gasps] I was going to say not the sponsors of this of this podcast. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Good logos only unless it's the Washington State Highway Patrol again. Ads in 1938. Joyce hoped that his movement with a shitty uh ship's wheel logo would grow to replace um uh Mosley's and that he would become the future British viewer. The problem was that Mosley had 40,000 black shirts whilst Joyce's Splinter Group had just 40. One former comrade from the BUFF came to see Joyce and Beckett speaking one day and recalled, quote, "They were at a street corner with Joyce standing on a platform and speaking from it with Beckett, the only spectator, pretending to be an opposition heckler." It was their way of trying to attract some controversy and to generate an audience for their open air meeting. What a terrible comedown it was from the great BUFF meetings attended by thousands that I had seen these men speaking at. So Joyce writes the party's policy document um entitled National Socialism Now in

which he declared his devotion to Hitler but stressed that an indigenous form of Nazism was required for Britain. quote, "We are the only 100% British organization working with British people and British funds for the rebuilding of Britain in a modern British way." So basically, he just wants it to be made very clear that he is definitely not Irish. Um yeah,

from the foundation of the party until the outbreak of the Second World War, Joyce organized public meetings in London at which he disseminated Nazi propaganda, but he failed to attract many supporters. Joyce's meetings were mainly attended by hostile audiences. Joyce inflamed matters by singing God Save the King as a means of ending each meeting, which was fairly customary across most political parties in Britain at the time. But Joyce would follow the national anthem by giving the Nazi salute and shouting hickla.

The National Socialist League. Sure. Yeah. See how that goes down in 1939 England.

Yeah. Finger on the pulse, man. The National Socialist League's lack of success meant that it was soon dregistered as a political party and Joyce reregistered it as a drinking club. I didn't realize you could formally found one of them in Britain, but I suppose it's kind of like what the Proud Boys have now. Um,

so he became increasingly depressed about the looming prospect of war with Nazi Germany and was growing even more dependent on alcohol. His last public meeting of the National Socialist League in May of 1939 ended in chaos when Joyce stood on stage giving the Nazi salute and repeatedly screaming see hyle before stage diving into his audience in an attempt to punch a heckler. Joyce was brought to court twice for assault, but neither case ever proceeded to trial. Sounds like a a a screwdriver gig or something. Uh yeah,

in the autumn of 1939, as the threat of war with Nazi Germany loomed, the British government passed regulation 18B to allow for the internment without trial of potential fascist fifth columnists. On the afternoon of 24th of August 1939, Joyce received a phone call warning him that his internment had been approved and that MI5 had been ordered to arrest him within 48 hours. It is widely believed that the tip off to Joyce had come from Maxwell Knight, the head of MI5, who not only was the main source of inspiration for the character M in Ian Fleming's James Bond series, he was also a former friend and comrade of Joyce's from their time together in the early years of the British fascist.

Joyce simply picked up the receiver and listened to the caller for some minutes without reply. He and his second wife Margaret then immediately left for London. When special branch of the London Metropolitan Police raided his flat 4 days later, they found Joyce's mother, Gertrude, and his mistress, Sylvia Mars, both of whom he had chosen to abandon along with his two daughters, who he would never see again. Because just one week later, when Britain declared war on Nazi Germany, Joyce was already safely in Berlin looking for a way to serve the Nazi war effort.

William and Margaret Joyce arrived in the Third Reich without a plan. Joyce had not been in contact with the Nazis beforehand, and unlike Mosley's BUFF, the Nazis had no idea who this guy was. The Joyices were quickly running out of money and for a while it looked as if they would be in turned as enemy aliens. But luckily for Joyce, some other British Nazi sympathizers had fled to Germany earlier and had established close ties with the Nazi regime. Through this network, Joyce got a job broadcasting propaganda to Britain.

During World War II, the Nazis set up dozens of radio stations in a multitude of languages broadcasting all over Europe. For example, Nazi propaganda was broadcast in minority indigenous languages such as Irish Gaelic, Scots Gaik, and Welsh in the hope of encouraging separatists in Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales to rebel against the English dominated British government in London. Joyce was given a job broadcasting in English to the populace of Britain and Ireland. Each night he bombarded his audience with anti-Semitic propaganda and assured them of the impending victory of Nazi Germany and urged the British to seek peace terms. His broadcasts always began the same way. And I think you we have a recording there uh the first one of how how it starts if no people haven't heard it before. Germany calling. Germany calling. Germany calling.

Here are the Reich Center ambush station Braymond and station DXB on the 31 m band. You are about to hear our news in English.

Okay. Yeah. Um so, uh this was unbelievably um successful at the time. Listening to Joyce's pro-Nazi broadcast in Britain was not illegal, but it was very much discouraged. Uh, nonetheless, his broadcasts were, as I said, a phenomenal success at a time when official BBC news broadcasts had a radio listenership of 18 million listeners. Nightly, Joyce had a listenership of 9 million.

Okay. Joyce. Yeah. So, he's he's kind of giving the people what they want. It drew a large audience in part because it usually had more accurate war news than the heavily censored BBC. I mean, this guy can say anything he wants once it causes chaos in Britain.

So, he entertained them with humor at a time when BBC broadcasts were strictly scripted, stuffy, and and fairly boring. But most of all, he terrorized his fascinated uh listeners by sowing fear, doubt, and demoralizing rumors aimed at undermining the British war effort. So at a time when there were thousands of British men serving in the Royal Navy or flying against the Lufafa in the RAF, the BBC refused to report any war losses out of fear of demoralizing the nation and undermining the war effort. In an effective effort to fill this vacuum, Joyce regularly broadcast nightly lists of dead and captured British servicemen.

And of course, millions of people tuned in to learn if their husbands, sons, fathers, and brothers were mentioned.

Oh god, that's bleak. I mean, it's why also that's a bad propaganda idea, just pretending like nothing's bad happening while you're fighting a war. Like people will be aware if that things are like, you know, they'll stop hearing from their loved ones. They'll see that like the notes are going out to neighborhoods in town. Like it's you can't hide that sort of [ __ ] really.

Yeah. And this is one of the things he does like his most famous kind of catchphrase, one of the big British battleships is the Ark Royal. And of course the guys on board it can't send home, you know, mail and stuff. And there's all kind of security opsec, you know, things, you know, they they can't report much about it or what it's doing or even if it's still a float or if it's been sunk. So Joyce's catchphrase that he'd repeat every few episodes was, "Where is the ark royal? Where is the ark royal? You don't know, but we do, and we can sink it any time we choose."

Um, so he also specializes in informing like, think of what's happening in the early stages of the war. It just looks like rolling Nazi victory after Nazi victory. And he's happily broadcasting accurate information about it. And this is terrifying people in Britain. And he's saying stuff like, you know, um, uh, the invasion is coming. Hitler, the time, the hour, the place. These are Hitler's secrets. But bear in mind, he is coming. We'll be with you. I'll be broadcasting from London soon. Um, he also knew Britain very well because he had traveled all over England making speeches at different fascist rallies and he exploited like his brilliant photographic memory um to to strike fear into people. So he might broadcast um to some English town saying uh dear listener in Sophie's town Robertshshire where Miss Smith serves tea in the yellow door cafe where the malad swim in the duck pond off the village green and

the town hall pluck runs 3 minutes slow. And of course, this made it seem like he had a local secret Nazi spy or that he had just parachuted in yesterday because he's describing the place so well when in fact he hadn't been there for years. And of course, there's a very good chance that one thing that keeps coming up in these listeners is the detail about the clock being 3 minutes slow. And of course, there's a very good chance that somebody locally had a watch that's 3 minutes fast. and they look at the town hall clock and think, "Fuck, he's right." Or else the town hall clock is two minutes slow and people ignore the discrepancy when down when they're down the pub.

Or else somebody spread a conspiracy theory saying, "Ah, but the clock was 3 minutes slow yesterday, but then the home guard uh uh were sent in to uh to synchronize the time to undermine Joyce." And of course, all these rumors spread and it creates sheer panic. And there are some verified uh cases of Joyce's listeners actually being so terrified of his uh of his shows um and and the prospect of an immediate Nazi invasion that they commit suicide. Um Joyce would announce that a specific armaments factory in some city would be bombed the following night. And of course what happens is it might be bombed coincidentally. He doesn't know what the the Luaf are are planning or it might be bombed five nights later. And again, people forget the the discrepancy. It's like Alex Jones predictions. People just remember the hits and forget all the the misses it has.

Um yeah. Or munitions workers will listen to the broadcast and they just won't turn up at work the next day. They don't want to be bombed

and then the factory has to close. So the rumor goes out that oh, it's been closed and that's why the bombing raid didn't arrive. Um, so basically panic, fear, and rumor filled the vacuum of information left in the wartime censorship. And that's of course what fascism drives on, you know, on on on on fear and

Yeah. fear isolation. Yeah. Yeah. And he's so successful that the British government actually considers blocking the cross channel radio signal. But the problem is if they broadcast or block these incoming broadcasts, they're also stopping their outgoing broadcasts and communications with the Royal Navy, the Royal Air Force, uh the OSS and the French resistance and so on. So they can't do anything about it. And for the first few years of his broadcast, Joyce remained completely anonymous. His nasal tone earned him the nickname Lord Haha because of his perceived haughty, haughty, posh, Mayfair accent. Um, now Joyce, we don't know what kind of accent this guy had as a kid cuz remember he's born either in America or in Ireland.

He's father is Irish. His mother is uh is is English. And when he comes to uh when he comes to Britain and starts making political speeches, I mean he was from Gway. I'm from County Clare, which is the next county down. Um so like you couldn't stand on a a stage in Britain to give a political speech to the Conservative party with my accent. You know it jar with people. So he basically gets received pronunciation uh lessons and that is uh that's that's where the accent seems to come from. Uh there's a myth that you'll find online and it's popular in Gway that remember remember I said in episode one about how he used to make speeches against the IRA and against bulcheism and stuff and yeah he was supposed to have gotten into a lot of fights. So there's a myth about it that some other kid uh broke his nose so badly that he had a nasal tone for the rest of his life.

Uh which is a great not impossible. Not impossible. I talked to as as in-depth research for this I phoned up a friend of mine who's a consultant opthalmologist and uh he said no

he said h that is uh that is not really possible and even if you can find early accounts of William Joyce he always seemed to have a kind of nasal or or high voice even from

people always talked about him being yeah well yeah nice story you can still believe it you can still believe it

anyway eventually when a Nazi victory seemed inevitable. In 1941, Lord Hoha, as he was known, outed himself on air as William Joyce, ending years of feverish speculation as to his identity. People didn't know. And actually, the term Lord Hoha

got applied. It's kind of like the dread pirate Roberts. It gets applied to several different speakers, but Joyce is the guy who becomes Wesley. He's the guy who goes on to kind of personify it. Um so uh but the tide of war of course uh after he outs himself and uh the tide of public opinion soon changed because with rapid Soviet Russian advances on the eastern front, the D-Day landings, the alloied reconquest of Africa and the invasion of Italy, Lord Haw became less a figure of dread and more a figure of ridicule as his impassion broadcasts about the inevitable Nazi victory rang more and more hollow. Um, so Looney Tunes produced a cartoon called Tokyo Tokyo as a piece of uh propaganda and it is mocking the uh the Japanese, but also features uh Joyce as Lord Heihaw depicting him as a braaying Nazi donkey at a microphone.

I saw Yeah, I remember this cartoon. Yeah. and the the com or the the British path a who would produce news reels also made um like they start playing Joyce City's own game and and you know doing comedy which is something that you know British path a and the BBC would never have have done before but they have um uh uh nasty Nazi news featuring Lord Hawa and they depict him as a wealthy buffoon in the the comedy clips you know going around saluting Hitler's picture on the wall and all this kind of stuff. And they would show these before, you know, news reels and movies in the in the cinema. And uh I think the we have an audio clip. There's also a song by the Western Brothers um that is uh uh that is written about Lord Hawa, the Hanbog of Hamburg. And I think I've sent you a link to that, Robert, if you can play maybe the 40 first 45 seconds or as much of it as you can stand because it's atrocious. This is not a banger.

Okay. Not a banger. All right. Well, let's let's let's make that judgment for ourselves. Let's see how I feel about it. Maybe this guy's going to be my new uh my new obsession.

Oh. Um referring to this fellow Lord Hawho. This is Germany calling. So Bing to the chap who hits the high spot. The greatest comedian now of the lot. The definite radio star number one. The life of the party. The bundle of pub. Lord Hawho. The humbug of Hamburg. The bloke with the tonsils and tone. His hamburges in Hamburg. His top lip is quite overgrown. And yet in the winter it's rather pathetic. He's frozen to death cuz his pants are synthetic. Lord Hawho, the hamburg of Hamburg.

Well, do you think you could you could you could have proper someone drop some beats behind this and

Yeah. Yeah, you could remix that into something good. No, you you that also reminds me but you mentioned uh P which uh distributed a movie. It's one of my favorite like fringe little British comedies that has some like fake uh uh like comedy music bits like this in there that's made to sound like it's stuff from the 40s. There's this film called Churchill the Hollywood years with Christian Slater and Nev Campbell where Christian Slater plays Winston Churchill and it was kind of like a [gasps] there was this movie made in the '90s called U571. And I think we it made in the '90s and it was [clears throat] basically it was about the capture of the Enigma machine by the British but since it was an American movie we just replaced all the British soldiers with Americans.

So this the the the bit in this movie is that like no no no all British heroes have been Americans throughout history you know like it's it's it's a grand conspiracy to convince the British that they can have heroes but it's really just Americans the whole time.

Yeah. What what we get is um we get um the British kind of stealing Irish celebrities. they come along and they say that oh Sarah Chiron and she's Irish or they'll say you know Brendan Gleon or Colin Farrell or someone and the award-winning Irish actress uh Brenda Fricker said uh when you're uh when you win an Oscar they call you British and when you're drunk in an airport they call you Irish

you know Daniel de Lewis's mother in my left foot that's the movie she won an Oscar for

Oh okay yeah good so check her out I think I think we need to take our our revenge by just stealing British successful British actors with no Irish heritage like Benedict Cumberbatch and just refer to him as one of ours.

I I would say you guys are already ahead cuz you have Cole Meanie obviously one of the greatest actors of all time.

Chief O'Brien. Yeah, Chief O'Brien. He also beat the absolute [ __ ] out of uh James Bond in the movie Layer Cake. Just really absolutely annihilated him.

Yeah. And of course the famous uh Star Trek episode with the United Ireland which is very relevant. But anyway anyway we we've gone on a sidet track from Lord Ha to Star Trek. Uh but anyway

I can talk about Cole meaning all day but yes let's get back to Lord Haha. Yes. Uh facing ridicule for his day job as a radio DJ. Joyce began increasingly turning his hand to writing um propaganda leaflets uh in a failed attempt to recruit captured British prisoners of war as members of the British Fry Corps or the British Free Corps, a unit of the SS. He also published a book on Anglo-German relations entitled Dammer Ober England uh or Twilight Over England which was promoted by the German Ministry of Propaganda. It compared the alleged evils of supposedly Jewish dominated Britain with the purported wonders of Nazi Germany. The book was a publishing success and it was reprinted uh three times. Uh Dr. Joseph Gobles was delighted with Joyce's propaganda efforts so much that he had Hitler bestow the German warmer merit cross first class on Joyce. However, Hitler did not bestow the medal in person. And

though Gobils was often in the same radio broadcast center as Joyce and regularly left him gift baskets of cigars and brandy, uh he never met him in person. He did refer to Joyce, however, as the finest horse in our stable, but he never regarded him as an equal. He never met Joyce to shake his hand or to pose for a photo with him. Um, but he was a big fan of his writing. So much so that in 1943 he commissioned Joyce to write a detective novel. Now Robert, I regret to inform you that when I looked in all the dark corners of the internet, I was unable to find a copy of Joyce's weird Hitler fanfic, Murder Not.

That's tragic. That's tragic. But I think it's remarkable that in 1943, as the battle of, you know, Stalingrad is coming to an end, Gobles thought, hey, I know what will turn the whole war effort around. Let's commission a detective novel championing national socialist principles.

That does make sense for these guys. I mean, Hitler sent a bunch of cowboy novels to his generals on the OS front when things were slowing down. They had a lot of faith in fiction.

Well, Robert, you some very talented uh listeners. So, somebody wants to design a title and uh and uh a cover art for this, send it on. Anyway, as the uh military and political situation went to [ __ ] in Nazi Germany in late 1944 and early '95, so too did William and Margaret's marriage. Now, this had never been a Hollywood romance with a heavy dose of cheating, alism, verbal abuse.

Domestic violence engaged in by both spouses by now. Um but amazingly living in a war zone with almost nightly aerial bombardment, widespread food shortages and increasing societal collapse actually made their relationship worse. Uh the pair got divorced on the 12th of August 1941, but later reunited and remarried. Almost immediately as soon as they remarried, they just dive back into their previous toxic behaviors. Margaret started a long-term affair with a Vermacht officer and when he caught a bullet on the Eastern Front, she had a string of shorter affairs and one night stands while Joyce [ __ ] about every secretary who was willing in the radio center. And for some [ __ ] reason, they just would not call it quits or go to uh therapy or marriage counseling and they just seem to take joy in making each other increasingly [ __ ] miserable. Um, even towards the end of the war, Joyce, creepy [ __ ] that he

was, began fantasizing again about Mary Agavi, the teenage student that he had cheated on his pregnant wife with uh when she was just 15 or 16 years old. And Joyce wrote in his diary, quote, I think I was luckier in the marriages I did not contract than in those I did. The exception was Mary, with whom I am sure success would have been certain. In the last years and months of the war, Joyce is just pounding schnaps all day, every day. And he was such a dedicated Nazi that when he was offered extra food rations or extra pay because of his privileged position as a broadcaster, he doggedly refused to accept it. But he did however take all the cigarettes and schnaps that he could get. And he was able to use his influence to dine out as often as possible in the press club. uh one of Berlin's few remaining functioning restaurants. One evening he was coming uh home from the club and he had gotten so [ __ ] cabbage drunk that

he started a fist fight with one of the wardens in charge of the air raid shelter where he and Margaret were sheltering from Anora on

uh so Robert uh Das is in Deutsland uh I don't know if you know this but the Germans are said to be pretty big on rules and discipline at the best of times.

Yeah. And in the dying days of uh the Third Reich, they are not cool with anybody, including state employees like Joyce, assaulting air raid wardens, which they see as a subversive act undermining national role uh about national morale and the Nazi war effort.

Look, I I I I very rarely say the Nazis have a point on this one, but you probably shouldn't start a fist fight with an air raid warden. That's that that might be antisocial behavior basically everywhere. Also, you should probably listen to their directions and take cover. But anyway,

they're they're an air raid warden. Yeah. Joyce wakes up Joyce wakes up the following morning in prison with the mother of all hangovers. And even though he was a broadcaster on Nazi radio, he did not have enough influence to talk his way out of this situation.

He did get bail, but was due to be brought to trial for undermining the war effort. potential penalty if he was found guilty was death. But Joyce's case did not go to trial because the night before he was due to appear in court, the RAF did him a favor of killing the judge and obliterating the court records in an air raid, leaving Joyce free to return to the airwaves for the remainder of his increasingly pointless broadcasting career.

So, this is the second time that Joyce has escaped uh a death sentence. Uh but he really owes the RAF a favor here.

Yeah. [gasps] Uh, but his luck is about to run out. But Robert, do you know whose luck won't run out?

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You would always beep out Blue Apron, but for me listening in Ireland, I wasn't familiar with Blue Apron. And it's the exact same length of time and syllable starting off. I always thought you were saying Bill Clinton's child hunting island.

If you Bill Clinton, if these if these emails have taught us anything, it's that he used someone else's child hunting island. He didn't maintain his own. That's not the way it works when you're the president. [gasps]

Anyway, and we're back. Okay. So, the Joyices uh were evacuated from Berlin in March of 1945 to a broad

time to get out of Berlin. Yeah. Yeah. to a broadcasting station in Hamburg. Uh, and by April of 1945, it was clear to pretty much everyone that the Nazis had lost the war. But Joyce continued to broadcast every night. He was repeatedly assured that he would not be captured by the Allies because the Nazis would take him and Margaret by submarine to Ireland, which had remained neutral during World War II. The reality was that Hitler had a very packed schedule in April and May of 1945. He was running a government, fighting a war on two fronts, planning his 56th birthday party. He had to get his favorite dog put to sleep. He was planning his wedding and two funerals.

So, he probably did not know who Joyce was and any available submarines they had were being loaded with gold bars and looted [clears throat] Renaissance masterpieces. And if they were going anywhere, it was to South America with senior Nazis on board and not saving sailing to Ireland to save the Joyic's.

Yeah. Joyce made his final broadcast on the 30th of April, 1945, same day as Hitler's suicide. Joyce's last broadcast was a rambling monologue during which he was so rubber drunk that he slurred his words repeatedly and struggled to string sentences together. Joyce used this last opportunity to admonish Britain for declaring war on Germany and warned of the global menace that the USSR posed to the whole world. So again, thankfully a recording of this survives. Do you just want to pay like I think the last 45 seconds of it, Robert?

A tremendous world shattering conflict is being waged. Good. I was going to say the men who have died in the battle of Ber have given their lives to show that whatever else happens Germany will live. And therefore I say to you in these last words, you may not hear from me again for a few months. I say

and farewell. Well, yeah, I think that's probably about enough. Yeah. Uh, how half how half-hearted did that last Hy Hitler sound, Robert?

It it does not sound motivated. It sounds like a guy who just got evacuated from Berlin in March of 1945 and and is aware that like uh we we lost about as badly as we could have lost. So

uh after the fall of Berlin, Joyce fled to Fensburg uh where Hitler's successor Admiral Donuts had established a makeshift government and was busy teaching people how to sh uh shout h donuts whilst he plotted uh increasingly desperate strategies to try and keep the few scraps of territory uh that he had together under Nazi control as the Third Reich.

Yeah. How'd that work for him? Yeah. Uh, 4 days after Joyce made his last broadcast, Nazi Germany surrendered and the British army took control of the Hamburg Broadcasting Center. A German Jew named Horst Pincher, who had fled Nazi Germany for Britain at the age of 17, walked into Joyce's former studio and turned on the transmitter. Lieutenant Pincher had survived the D-Day landing and was present at the liberation of Belson. He picked up Joyce's old microphone and made this broadcast. Quote, "This is Germany calling for the last time from station Hamburg. Tonight you will not hear William Joyce or Lord Hawa as he is known to most of us in Britain. He has been most unfortunately interrupted in his broadcasting career. And at present he has left rather hurriedly for a vacation, an extremely short vacation if the British Army has anything to do with it." After tonight's great news of the surrender of the German forces, I wonder

what now are Lord Haw's views on the news. Incredibly, just over 3 weeks later, the two met in person. William and Margaret Joyce were hiding in the town of Finsburg near the German Danish border in the hope of escaping to neutral Sweden. On the 28th of May, Joyce left to search for some firewood which to cook and keep the couple warm. Emerging from a forest clearing carrying a bundle of sticks, he was stopped uh when he met two British officers who were out on the same errand. One was Pincher, who was accompanied by his commanding officer, who had the most English name ever, Captain Bertie Licorice.

Oh my god. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And there's actually um a British company, Bassets, a sweet company, like a candy company who make licorice all sorts and have done for like a hundred years. And their their mascot is called Bertie. Like how the [ __ ] did his parents give him this name?

Yeah, that's that's that's shockingly English. Yeah. Let's let's also um just pause here to remember that Joyce is literally carrying the symbol of fascism, a bundle of sticks, when he encounters the British army.

Yeah. also that that facial scar is no longer doing him any favors because he is pretty recognizable.

Anyway, Joyce decides to bluff it out and he uh pretends to be a displaced Belgium and speaks to the two British officers in French shouting uh which I'm told is the French for there is more firewood over here. So the trio collected some firewood together and exchanged a few pleasantries in German before Joyce broke into English. He began critiquing the two soldiers on their technique for gathering firewood and then launched into an impromptu lecture on the difference between deciduous and coniferous trees before starting on about which types of timber were the best fuel. Lieutenant Pincher later recalled he was insufferable. He would just not stop talking.

Does he get himself caught because he's a [ __ ] tryhard? Yeah. The more he spoke, the more his voice sounded familiar, and eventually our hero, Captain Bertie Licorice, grew suspicious and said to him, "You You wouldn't happen to be William Joyce, would you?" Joyce immediately reached for a fake German passport he had.

You wouldn't happen to be the British guy we're looking for, would you? you know, the one who's a huge [ __ ] and has a scar on his face. [gasps]

But um uh so he reaches for a fake German German passport, think it's going to get him out of it. But Lieutenant Pincher uh thinking he was reaching for a weapon, immediately drew his own gun and shot Joyce twice. The first bullet,

awesome. So it gets better, Robert. The first bullet went through and through both cheeks of Joyce's ass. The second lodged in his shoulder and knocked him off his feet. Neither wound uh looked fatal, but Pincher was immediately worried that he might have shot an innocent civilian. But when they searched him as well as the German passport with a fake name, they found a Vulktorm militia pass issued in the name of William Joyce. And they knew they had captured Lord Hawy.

Why did he keep that? Yeah. Come on. Throw that thing out, man. Joyce was taken to hospital uh in a Royal Army Medical Corps ambulance. It was a memorable journey for Joyce who lay in the back of the vehicle with four bullet wounds in his ass and another round lodged in his shoulder.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. It gets better. When the ambulance driver uh discovered who the wounded patient he had was, he drove as hard and as fast as he could, deliberately aiming the wheels of his vehicle at every rut. At every rot uh

yeah, at every rut, pothole, and shell crater he could find. Meanwhile, Lieutenant Pincher, who was guarding the wounded prisoner in the back of the vehicle, took great delight in revealing to him that the British Army officer who had shot him was in fact not an English Christian, but a German Jew. In due course, Joyce was extradited to Britain where he was put on trial for treason. Now, Joyce was extradited the day after the Felony Treason Act, which was a medieval law, had been updated to make his prosecution more likely. A legal issue arose because of a lack of evidence. BBC had only kept transcripts and recordings of Joyce's Lord Hawhaw radio broadcasts in the latter stage of the war and Joyce became a German citizen in 1942.

So after that point his support for Nazi Germany couldn't legally be considered uh treason. Uh they managed to find a police officer who claimed he had heard Joyce uh broadcasting in 1939 and had previously heard him at fascist meetings so he could identify the voice. But the problem is that's hearsay evidence. They couldn't play the recording in court. Matters were further complicated by the fact that Joyce was now claiming American citizenship. And of course the USA had been neutral until 1941. The British government's prosecution lawyer, however, was able to prove that Joyce had sworn allegiance to the British king when he joined the British army to escape from Ireland in 1922. And he had claimed the protection of the British crown when he traveled to Germany on a British passport just before the outbreak of war in 1939 and therefore had committed treason by making pro-Nazi broadcast between 39 and

42 when he became a German citizen. At his trial, Joyce did not deliver an impassioned, rousing speech from the dock to defend his life. He merely spoke two words when entering a plea. Not guilty. After the death sentence was passed, he merely smiled and bowed his head, but otherwise remained silent. Joyce's last recorded words were mailed to his friend John McNab, who had been a member of the National Socialist League. quote, "I do not in the most infantismal degree regret what I have done for me," underlined, "There was nothing else to do. I am proud to die for what I have done. I shall not die in vain and suspect my service in dying may be greater than my service in living. May it be so." So, a Nazi to the end. Yeah,

there is another cool story about him that uh when they hanged him uh that the facial scar actually burst open because of the pressure. Uh which is a very cool story uh uh and I was going to include but again until I talked to my friend the consultant opthalmologist and he said no scar tissue was incredibly strong. There is no way that happened.

Yeah, you'd have to get something like a scurvy or whatever to Exactly. to go to to have that happen.

Again, great story. There's loads of these about Joyce everywhere. But anyway, Joyce was executed by hanging at Wandworth prison on the 3rd of January 1946.

If he made a speech from the gallows, it was not recorded by his executioner, Albert Perpoint, who had also executed Irma Greece and other Nazi war criminals convicted at Nuremberg. Joyce's Joyce's body was initially buried in an unmarked grave within the prison walls, but in the 1970s, his eldest daughter, Heather, began a successful campaign to get his body exumed. And in 1976, it was reentered at Boermore Cemetery in Galway City. His widow, Margaret, had vowed to William Joyce in one of her last prison letters to him that she would write his biography after his martyrdom. When she died in 1972, all she left as a manuscript were a few scant biographical details about Joyce scribbled on a piece of cardboard. That didn't prevent Joyce, however, becoming an inspiration to new generations of Nazis. First editions of Joyce's book, Twilight Over England, are collector's items often prized by

neo-Nazis and sell for up to $10,000 online today. In the 1960s, American Nazi party leader George Lincoln Rockwell inspired Terry Burn, an overweight Irish house painter who lived with his mom in Dublin to found the Irish Nazi party.

Burns, yeah, Burns said that his political heroes were Adolf Hitler and William Joyce. Like his hero, commander, uh Burn was like Joyce, repeatedly stabbed on more than one occasion by anti-fascist opponents in the IRA. But incredibly, he survived until the 1980s. For almost 20 years, he echoed Joyce by continually encouraging his followers to harass Dublin's tiny Jewish community and attack Jewishowned businesses there. Joyce also remains popular on the British farright scene. members of the British neo-Nazi movement uh or sorry the neo-Nazi British movement founded by Rockwell's English pal Colin Jordan who incidentally was once convicted of shoplifting women's underwear visited Joyce's grave in Gway City earlier this year to lay a wreath to him on the anniversary of his execution. So that Robert is the Nazi bastard I have for you.

Wow. He continues Yeah. He continues to inspire hate from beyond the grave. But hey, at least he eventually got what he deserved after he was brought to justice by a Jewish refugee who shot him in the ass. So, I consider that a happy ending.

Hey, you know what? We we so rarely get a happy ending like this where it's like and then the Nazi died and then the Nazi was killed, you know, um before he could get rehabilitated or enjoy a peaceful life, he just somebody somebody took that [ __ ] out. And that's nice. That's happy. I'm I'm happy to hear that. There's there's your Christmas wish, Robert.

Yeah. Okay. Well, what a beautiful story. Thank you so much. Uh I think that's going to do it for us. Do you want to plug your pluggables uh down at the end here?

Yeah. So, my my my pluggable really is uh is my book, Burn Them Out. It is a history of fascism and the far right in Ireland. It's published by Bloomsbury, head of Zeus. So, just Google Burn Them Out Fascism Ireland, and it should come up. And yeah, if you can buy that, uh that would be great. Thank you very much. Mar.

Excellent. Excellent. All right. Well, thank you so much and uh yeah, everybody, that has been our week. We'll be back next week with another piece of [ __ ] who probably lives a long life uh and dies in bed uh or or is still alive. One of the two. Um but at least this week there was a happy ending.

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