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The State of AI with Bill Inman | Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby

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December 6, 2025 · 53 min · 9,496 words · 114 timestamped sections

This is the full, timestamped transcript of "The State of AI with Bill Inman | Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby", an episode of Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby published December 6, 2025 (53 min, about 9,496 words). It mentions 75 people, works and ideas, including ChatGPT, AI twin, Blockchain, Artificial superintelligence (ASI), Twin Protocol.

What this episode is about

Bill Inman, founder and CEO of Twin Protocol, discusses his revolutionary AI platform designed to preserve human legacy and wisdom, enabling individuals to transcend mortality by capturing their essence and memories. Through innovation and personal transformation, Inman aims to redefine how society approaches memory, mortality, and meaning in the age of AI.

Key takeaways

Digital immortality: AI avatars ensure we'll never ghost future generations—a reel deal for legacy preservation!
Talking to the past: Legacy twins offer a curious, if eerie, reunion—especially with Nixon's peace signs on board.
Emotional AI: Heartstrings strummed by a ghostly hello prove there's charm in preserving personal tales.
AI economy awaits: Trillions in digital dough are on the table—AI's stock market isn't just talk!
Grandma's wisdom, 24/7: Legacy AI means unsolicited advice isn't only for Sunday dinners anymore!

Who speaks in this episode?

Joe Shalaby (Host) · 24 min speaking
Bill Inman (Guest) · 29 min speaking
Pavon Agarwal (Guest)
James Tag (Guest)
Curtis (Guest)
Alexia Inman (Guest)

What is discussed, and when

5:00 – 10:00: Twin Protocol, Abdul Carter, AI avatars, AI economy
10:00 – 15:00: Blockchain, AI twin, Baby boomers, Electricity
15:00 – 20:00: Electricity, AI twin, DeepSeek, Gemini
20:00 – 25:00: Blockchain, AI twin, Algorithm, on chain
25:00 – 30:00: Association of Volleyball Professionals, avatar, coffeesforcloers.com, Foot Pedals
30:00 – 35:00: Influence, James Tag, AI twin, Bill Inman
35:00 – 40:00: avatar, Bill Inman, Humanoid robot, Marty McFly
40:00 – 45:00: Algorithm, compute power, Oakley, training data
45:00 – 50:00: AI twin, Angel AI, Newport, Newport Beach
50:00 – 52:57: Alexia Inman, Bill Inman, pearly gates

Notable quotes from "The State of AI with Bill Inman | Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby"

Wisdom and take technology to a different level. He is really changing the game with his new AI twin with a background spanning from media leadership and emerging technologies. Bill's journey weaves through innovation, mentorship,.
about AI twin · at 5:24
To access. So we're really passionate about bringing our technology AI, avatars, blockchain to the world to give people the opportunity to adapt to this massive change that's coming. So that's why we created a twin protocol, Joseph.
about Blockchain · at 7:14
And when I found blockchain in 2015, I the first thing I did is I started to put résumés on chain. 70% of résumés have fake information. But we put them in blockchain so it…
about on chain · at 11:44
So with electricity it gradually grew from the late 1800s till about 1930 only 30% of US homes had electricity. That was a slow build. This is something we're talking about as fundamental as.
about Electricity · at 14:35
Helping us make decisions the way we feed the al the I don't know if it's an algorithm or a I don't know what the proper reference tool is for the data we're feeding the web…
about Algorithm · at 20:10
Something on blockchain, this is true about Bitcoin, but it's also true about AI training data is what it's called.
about training data · at 22:52
Look I'm this is replies to your story. I'm telling my kids that they need to be an influencer and they need to be good at sports because those are innately human things.…
about Influence · at 32:16
Started the conversation with, is my AI twin runs five shows for me. Just go to any Bill Inman social media, X, Instagram, Facebook. It's doing the show. Now, I'm not an…
about Bill Inman · at 34:31

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

Bill Inman — Person · 3 mentions · first at 34:36
James Tag — Person · 2 mentions · first at 31:22
You are dead on with that. So I got the pleasure to go to a dinner with a gentleman named James Tag. He a lot of the patents around touchscreen technology, which we have on our…
Bill Enman — Person · 1 mention · first at 5:13
Excited about today's show. We are sitting down with the founder and CEO of Twin Protocol, Bill Enman. He created a revolutionary AI platform designed to preserve human legacy…
Abdul Carter — Person · 1 mention · first at 8:23
And he had a book, he had book about stories about flying Nixon and flying Carter and flying Ford and flying Kenny.
Joseph Shallabby — Person · 1 mention · first at 25:20
Haven't been leveraging my knowledge base for video content specifically or, a 247 Joseph Shallabby AI avatar that's on standby for a Q&A or anything like that, which is exciting to know that we can do. I'd love to, work on that probably.
Joseph Shallaby — Person · 1 mention · first at 46:00
Well, who do I talk to? They go to the Joseph Shallaby Newport Beach real estate AI. They learn all about the boats and the Christmas light show and all the fun stuff in Newport, what it's and you sell, your AI sells a.
Pavon Agarwal — Person · 1 mention · first at 47:20
Environment or not and so on. So my legacy is going to be and you and I are friends with Pavon Agarwal who is a founder of Angel AI and I partner with him. Our goal is two…
Alexia Inman — Person · 1 mention · first at 50:28
Need groups. And from a family perspective, I'm an only child. I have one daughter. Her name's Alexia Inman. Her initials are AI. We did not plan it like that. And I want to…

Books & papers

The Singularity Is Near — Book · 1 mention · first at 13:38
Been many scientists and futurists that have talked about this one his name is Ray Kerszswe he wrote the book the singularity is near and most recently the singularity is…

Companies & orgs

Twin Protocol — Company · 5 mentions · first at 5:13
Excited about today's show. We are sitting down with the founder and CEO of Twin Protocol, Bill Enman. He created a revolutionary AI platform designed to preserve human legacy…
Oakley — Company · 2 mentions · first at 41:21
Yeah. I'm sure you'd be fine. But they have the Oakley version, which is like the big sports glasses, the big huge one. And then they have the traditional meta glasses, but they're thicker, so it just looks a little bit.
Angel AI — Company · 2 mentions · first at 47:23
Legacy is going to be and you and I are friends with Pavon Agarwal who is a founder of Angel AI and I partner with him. Our goal is two billion AI twins and that's that's what…
Monsanto — Company · 1 mention · first at 15:45
There's vertical farming and there's massive agrarian operations and there's Monsanto and then there's people that just grow food in their backyard. So, society changed with…
DeepSeek — Company · 1 mention · first at 18:02
Internet. They basically borrowed the internet and they got really upset at OpenAI when DeepSeek, which was the Chinese company that basically took all their data and started a…
StreamYard — Company · 1 mention · first at 22:22
When you put your this video on StreamYard or YouTube, we've signed a user agreement and Google says, We're storing it on our servers. We're going to give you we're going to give you a service where we distribute this to.
twinprotocol.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 24:07
coffeesforcloers.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 26:05
Going and we'll let people talk to the Joseph Shelby twin on coffeesforcloers.com.
Association of Volleyball Professionals — Company · 1 mention · first at 26:32
In the tech space. I for example, I've done some sports things. I work with the Association of Volleyball Professionals. We started a youth a national youth program to help…
Foot Pedals — Company · 1 mention · first at 26:51
Bit of a derivative from that. I start I've been in the fashion industry. My cousin created a company called Foot Pedals, which was like little designer high heeled shoe…
Facebook Messenger — Company · 1 mention · first at 40:06
Walk and talk on conference calls. So, I put the glasses on and in a WhatsApp or in a Facebook Messenger, the people who I'm talking to can see what I see. So, you could be…
Ray-Ban — Company · 1 mention
TSMC — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

ChatGPT — Product · 10 mentions
Humanoid robot — Product · 2 mentions · first at 10:00
Whether it be a hologram, a humanoid robot talking to your car, a lot of things are happening that are going to be different than they've experienced before in the coming years.
Snapchat glasses — Product · 2 mentions
Gemini — Product · 1 mention · first at 19:35
Social media on a podcast is now indexed on these different AI platforms. It's on Grock, it's on Gemini, it's on, they're aggregating all this data.
Sophia the robot — Product · 1 mention · first at 38:29
Yeah, you Well, right here in my office here, I've got a humanoid robot that I've been on stage with, Sophia the robot, who's really well known. And I've been on stage with the…
Meta glasses — Product · 1 mention · first at 41:26
Is like the big sports glasses, the big huge one. And then they have the traditional meta glasses, but they're thicker, so it just looks a little bit bigger. And of course, they're odd because they're just meta.
Angel AI app — Product · 1 mention · first at 49:02
Nobody's done this yet. Get people their AI twin. Teach them how to have their own AI twin. And that at the angel AI app again, Pavon Augural, we actually pay people for introducing people to AI.
ChatGPT 3.5 — Product · 1 mention
Grok — Product · 1 mention
Siri — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

AI twin — Concept · 9 mentions · first at 5:31
Blockchain — Concept · 7 mentions · first at 7:19
Artificial superintelligence (ASI) — Concept · 6 mentions
avatar — Concept · 5 mentions · first at 7:45
Would take a lot of work, especially with like the lack of data that you could provide or feed the avatar.
Algorithm — Concept · 4 mentions · first at 20:14
training data — Concept · 4 mentions · first at 22:56
Twin — Concept · 4 mentions
on chain — Concept · 3 mentions · first at 11:49
Electricity — Concept · 3 mentions · first at 14:35
Influence — Concept · 3 mentions · first at 32:21
Singularity — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 13:40
Have talked about this one his name is Ray Kerszswe he wrote the book the singularity is near and most recently the singularity is nearer he talks about artificial general…
compute power — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 43:31
And it's oversaturated and it's beyond a buzzword. So AI is three things. It's compute power. The NVIDIA, the TSMC, the Oracles of the world, Stargate as a project in the US…
Coffees for Closers — Concept · 1 mention · first at 5:06
What's up everybody? Welcome to another episode of Coffees for Closers. Really excited about today's show. We are sitting down with the founder and CEO of Twin Protocol, Bill Enman. He created a revolutionary AI platform designed to.
AI economy — Concept · 1 mention · first at 7:08
Deceased loved ones in some cases. We could talk about that. but also for people to be able to take part in the AI economy, which is going to be trillions of new money and…
AI avatars — Concept · 1 mention · first at 7:16
Of new money and people don't know how to access. So we're really passionate about bringing our technology AI, avatars, blockchain to the world to give people the opportunity…
Baby boomers — Concept · 1 mention · first at 10:26
Offices recently and they want to pass wisdom and finances and you have this great tr transfer from baby boomers over to younger generations because a lot of baby boomers are…
IoT devices — Concept · 1 mention · first at 13:59
Best engineer it could be the best marketer it could even be the best surgeon obviously using different IoT devices and things. So the mission of open AI is artificial general…
Industrial Revolution — Concept · 1 mention · first at 15:29
Electricity did. Electricity obviously changed from an agrarian society into the industrial revolution and then beyond. Obviously, electricity is the foundation for this…
Touchscreen technology — Concept · 1 mention · first at 31:25
The pleasure to go to a dinner with a gentleman named James Tag. He a lot of the patents around touchscreen technology, which we have on our phones and on our watches is him.…
Organic computer processors — Concept · 1 mention · first at 31:46
At the space station, sends them back to sends them back to Earth, and then they use those as organic computer processors, brain cells as computer processors. This guy's name is James Tag. So after hearing, what do you do now? And.
Truman Show — Concept · 1 mention · first at 34:44
Show. Now, I'm not an introvert, but I wouldn't say I love being in front of a camera 247. It's not like the Truman Show for me. Many people though, they cannot get in front of…
Princess Leia — Concept · 1 mention · first at 38:58
Concepts, I would call them, that are small enough devices where you could project like R2-D2, Princess Leia type stuff, if you remember that in Star Wars, but we're not at we're not at scale yet.
R2-D2 — Concept · 1 mention · first at 38:58
Concepts, I would call them, that are small enough devices where you could project like R2-D2, Princess Leia type stuff, if you remember that in Star Wars, but we're not at we're not at scale yet.
Star Wars — Concept · 1 mention · first at 39:00
Small enough devices where you could project like R2-D2, Princess Leia type stuff, if you remember that in Star Wars, but we're not at we're not at scale yet.
Marty McFly — Concept · 1 mention · first at 39:53
And I've been trying to figure out what the hell am I going to use this for besides looking like Marty McFly because they're like huge black Rayband glasses.
Stargate — Concept · 1 mention · first at 43:35
Buzzword. So AI is three things. It's compute power. The NVIDIA, the TSMC, the Oracles of the world, Stargate as a project in the US, China building data centers, compute…
explainer videos — Concept · 1 mention · first at 45:08
Podcasts, put them on chain so you own it. Put then you have interfaces to that an avatar. We also do explainer videos.
millennials — Concept · 1 mention · first at 48:19
Gen Alpha you know like or Gen Z or Gen X like millennials will have a hard time even adopting.
Mandarin — Concept · 1 mention · first at 48:49
It's educating people 247 365 in 40 languages. So, you're now talking Arabic and Mandarin. And then [clears throat] you're teaching people how to get their own AI twin and do…
pearly gates — Concept · 1 mention · first at 51:08
You want to leave the place, the world a better place, but when you're in front of the pearly gates, what do you think God's going to tell you?
ASI — Concept · 1 mention
Bitcoin (crypto) — Concept · 1 mention
EBITDA — Concept · 1 mention
GPTs — Concept · 1 mention
LLM — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

Newport — Place · 2 mentions · first at 45:38
Innovate in a space, if you want to be the best AI real estate agent in Newport Beach, get every bit of data on Newport Beach that is publicly available, put that in your twin…
Newport Beach — Place · 2 mentions · first at 45:38
Innovate in a space, if you want to be the best AI real estate agent in Newport Beach, get every bit of data on Newport Beach that is publicly available, put that in your twin…
United States (US) — Place · 2 mentions
Manhattan Beach — Place · 1 mention · first at 42:56
Yeah, they were a leader there commercially. there was other companies, I live in Manhattan Beach. A friend of mine, Joe, had a company was a huge computer you wore on your belt and it had big glasses. But the commercial version where you.
Earth — Place · 1 mention
Mina — Place · 1 mention
Wynn — Place · 1 mention

Sponsors

Snapchat (sponsorship) — Sponsor · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Hey, heat. Hey, heat.

2:44 Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Everybody What's up everybody? Welcome to another episode of Coffees for Closers. Really excited about today's show. We are sitting down with the founder and CEO of Twin Protocol, Bill Enman. He created a revolutionary AI platform designed to preserve human legacy wisdom and take technology to a different level. He is really changing the game with his new AI twin with a background spanning from media leadership and emerging technologies. Bill's journey weaves through innovation, mentorship, and deep personal transformation. His mission with Twin is to give people the power to live beyond a single lifetime.

5:51 Believe it or not, by capturing not just data, but their essence from losing loved ones to building digital immorality, immortality, Bill is leading the charge in how we think about memory, mortality, and meaning in the AI era. Please welcome the one, the only Bill Inn.

6:13 Bill, thanks for jumping on the show. Yeah, what a great intro. Uh, thanks for having me here, Joseph. Nice to be here with you.

6:20 You know, uh, it's it's still not sufficient, Bill. You're you're changing the game in the AI space. I'm excited to have this discussion with you. And if you want just to give people a quick, you know, 2,000 foot overview of what is it that um you do and what does your organization do and how can people benefit from um from this today's show?

6:41 Well, Joseph, as you know, because you're a media innovator and you've really used the tools that everything that the internet provides and social media uh to to affect a lot of people's lives. In a similar way, technologies continue to move real fast, specifically around AI, and the world is changing more rapidly than other than ever. So, we created Twin Protocol not only for the legacy use case that you talked about, being able to talk to your even deceased loved ones in some cases. We could talk about that. Um, but also for people to be able to take part in the AI economy, which is going to be trillions of new money and people don't know how to access. So we're really passionate about uh bringing our technology AI, avatars, blockchain to the world to give people the opportunity to adapt to this massive change that's coming. So that's why we created a twin protocol, Joseph.

7:30 And uh you know, recently I and I've seen several other applications that have come out with being able to talk to your deceased loved ones. I feel like setting up a deceased loved one twin would take a lot of work, especially with like the lack of data that you could provide or feed the avatar.

7:50 Yeah, that that one thing that people don't have a lot of these days is they don't know what data to feed into their AI. It's a new problem. So, it's not something that people have dealt with for a long time. But, I'll give you an example uh of one. We call them legacy twins. These are twins that basically, you know, you maybe the person's not around or it's your grandmother. And um a gentleman that works with us, his name's Curtis, his dad, Jean, flew was the first presidential helicopter pilot. Now, Jean passed about seven years ago.

8:19 And he had a book, he had book about stories about flying Nixon and flying Carter and flying Ford and flying Kenny.

8:25 So, we ingested his book and we had some old video footage of him from like seven years ago. and you're now able to tell them, hey, tell me a story about Nixon flying in a helicopter. What happened in the White House the day you flew Nixon off the lawn and he was doing the peace signs, which he was he was that pilot in that picture. So, um it's pretty amazing because his son can talk to him again and relive all those stories. So, I I think it's really important as um time goes on that we start to capture all these stories from our grandmother, our grandfather, our families, and put those into an AI so that legacy can live on and for generations and generations they can experience all that wisdom.

9:03 That's so cool. I'm excited to start to play with that concept as well for those deceased loved ones that have passed on me. I don't know how emotional I'll get listening to their voices again, but you know.

9:15 Yeah, it'll be. Yeah, I was I knew the gentleman we talked about. I was pretty emotional just talking to him because he was a he was my best friend's dad and I hadn't talked with him for a long time and being able to interact with him, you know, kind of got emotional for me and he's not even immediate family.

9:28 How similar was the experience? Well, you know, it it's it's obviously AI is limited and emotionally how it can look on camera. It's getting better and better every day. It's a bit scary, but just being able to have a onetoone interaction with him with questions that I was asking, it's a trip. It's very It's very similar to talking to somebody in real life.

9:54 It's just going to keep getting better and better. And in 10 years, you're really going to feel like you're sitting with that person. Whether it be a hologram, a humanoid robot talking to your car, a lot of things are happening that are going to be different than they've experienced before in the coming years.

10:10 In some ways, that's exciting because, you know, I'll always be able to nag my kids.

10:16 Like they want that. Yeah. you'll be around to you know I you know for these f for I was talking to a lot of family offices recently and they want to pass wisdom and finances and you have this great tr transfer from baby boomers over to younger generations because a lot of baby boomers are retiring or passing away. So these family offices are really excited because they want to share the wealth that they've built, but they also want to share their foundation, their mission, their goals, their values, and generations that follow be able to talk to, you know, the the great-grandfather who created all the wealth and say, "Look, I want you to to really understand how we did this and how it benefits the family." There's so many use cases.

10:54 A and to impart that wisdom is really priceless uh especially for generations to come because the wisdom is timeless. Now, let me ask you a couple questions. Before Twin, you launched and exited multiple ventures. Was there a turning point where you really felt pulled to build, you know, this new vertical of AI Twin or, you know, what is it that really drew you to this?

11:17 Yeah, I' I've um I've always been drawn So, so quick quick background on me. I've raised about $200 million for startup companies that I've started. And I'm talking idea stage. I'm not talking about series A, series B, like later stage companies. And for the most part, they've been in uh human capital management and human performance. I've done some sports stuff and things like that, but I've always been enthralled with how can we leverage technology to make our lives better, to have a better career, to have more opportunity. And and when I found blockchain in 2015, I I the first thing I did is I started to put résumés on chain. 70% of résumés have fake information. But we put them in blockchain so it can't be modified because it lives on different servers and you can't just go in and change it.

11:59 There's what's called an immutable record. We put résumés on chain and um then people could go check to see if a resume had something different than it had yesterday. So you couldn't add five years experience or this vertical. So uh using blockchain and then naturally coming to AI which which I've been involved with since 2015 and has exploded since chat GBT uh was launched by OpenAI in the past couple years. It just naturally leads you in this direction because we're creating an intelligence greater than us and people need to understand what it is. A lot of people don't understand what's coming with AI. People need to understand what it is and they need to be able to use it in their own lives. So I'm really passionate about that. people owning their own data and then uh and then using it in their lives on a daily basis.

12:45 You said something that really like is thoughtprovoking. You say a lot of people don't understand what's happening with AI and what's coming with AI. What do you think is coming?

12:56 If you go to the mission of Open AI, which is chat GPT, I think that's a household word now, right? Everybody knows ChatGBT Open. It's the fastest fastest app to get to 800 million users uh ever. And their mission is they want to achieve artificial general intelligence. So, we're not there yet. Let me explain what it is. We're in the we're in an era right now of artificial narrow intelligence. Hey AI, count this for me. Something narrow. Draw this for me. Write this for me. Edit this for me. Make this contract. That's called narrow AI. the next phase of AI and there's been many scientists and futurists that have talked about this one his name is Ray Kerszswe he wrote the book the singularity is near and most recently the singularity is nearer he talks about artificial general intelligence this is when AI is as is as uh knowledgeable or smart as one person so you have an AI equal to one person it could then be the

13:56 best engineer it could be the best marketer it could even be the best surgeon obviously using different IoT devices and things. So the mission of open AI is artificial general intelligence. Creating an intelligence that's as smart as a human. There's one more phase beyond this called ASI, artificial super intelligence. And this is when AI is as smart as the entire world all at once and just ripping out Nobel Prize winning ideas every second that could change cure cancer and new forms of fusion and what have you, flying cars, whatever the case may be.

14:28 So people don't understand all of this is happening in the next 5 to 10 years. So with electricity it gradually grew from the late 1800s till about 1930 only 30% of US homes had electricity. That was a slow build. This is something we're talking about as fundamental as electricity in the next 5 years. People don't know how to work it into their life, their business. They don't understand how it's going to impact their jobs. So, I'm dedicated to helping them.

15:00 Kind of sounds scary with artificial super intelligence. I never really heard that word. Uh, artificial general intelligence. I mean, what will AGI and ASI do to employment in general? If you have artificial super intelligence and it's solving global problems, you know, what does that do to every different, you know, economy? What does that do? the same thing that electricity did. Electricity obviously changed from an agrarian society into the industrial revolution and then beyond. Obviously, electricity is the foundation for this conversation we're having right now. Without it, we couldn't have it. So, it gets embedded into the fabric of society. And listen, there's still farmers, of course, they there's vertical farming and there's massive agrarian operations and there's Monsanto and then there's people that just grow food in their backyard. So, society changed with electricity, but it

15:52 had time. You know, it had a hundred years to change. We're talking about 10 years now. So, it's everything's compressed. So, what it's going to do to jobs is it's going to make a lot of jobs obsolete. It's already doing that to some degree, but it's going to create more millionaires and wealth than the history of humanity has ever seen. So, anybody that's watching this, it's not a time to be scared. I get it. I get freaked out by a lot of this stuff, too. It's a time to grab it and then get ahead of it and make it like the best time you've ever had, the best economic time for your own personal wealth ever.

16:24 It's possible. I mean, yeah, we're going to see uh publicly traded companies with one or two people soon, you know, like running the whole

16:34 They have said that for, you know, definitely um we're going to have one person companies that are unicorns or billion-dollar companies. But you know we're also going to see Joseph companies run by AIs. So you could educate an AI on being the best podcaster, best media, most creative, fun, funny, and it could be running a company for you, talking to people about why they need to do it, taking them through the process, creating podcast ideas for you, and as we talked about actually before the call a little bit, making the content as an AI twin of you. So not only will humans one person companies be unicorns, AI run companies will be around as well and they will employ humans.

17:16 So so when we have ASI that will certainly happen because now you have you know the smartest being ever times every human being in the world. Kind of kind of

17:34 I I didn't even know those terms. you educated me today. I thought we were just talking about the world of chat GBT. I didn't know they were trying to achieve AGI and ASI. I thought we were

17:43 Next up was augmented reality, but it seems like there's a lot more coming. There's a lot more coming. And I urge you if you're watching this, just go look at the mission of Open AI and you'll see it right there front and center. Artificial general intelligence. So, they're they're taking data from the internet. They they basically borrowed the internet and they got really upset at OpenAI when DeepSeek, which was the Chinese company that basically took all their data and started a new model. It didn't have to train. It was a lot more easier to do, less power because OpenAI done the heavy lifting. So these companies are sucking in all the data of whether it be patents or trademarks and they've already ingested most of YouTube and they you know there's a lot of legal battles now saying who wait that was my data who owns that data and some open AAI and companies like that are winning saying well this is derivative works

18:31 this is just like when you were in third grade you learned something from your third grade teacher you don't pay Pascal or Newton every time you use physics and that's what they're saying the fight is for them that they can leverage data so our our goal is to give people back their data so they own it. Like Joseph, you've created 50, 100 shows now. That's your data. It's the data of your podcast guest. That's really valuable. There's a knowledge base there that would help people be successful in life if they could just access your twin. And you want to own that. You don't want to give it to OpenAI or Google or or Anthropic or any of these companies. You want to own it so that you can share that with the world.

19:07 Although they have it. Every time you talk to chat GPT about me, it can reference every single word. It's ref It can reference this specific podcast and everything we said in this podcast. So, they have my data

19:22 and that's part of social uh AI indexing. Now, every word you say on social media on a podcast is now indexed on these different AI platforms. It's on Grock, it's on Gemini, it's on, you know, they're aggregating all this data. Now they're able to create and formulate opinions based on these social media platforms or podcast platforms or blog platforms that are referencing my content.

19:49 It's uh you know now you're do I want that? Do I have a choice? No. I mean well listen it helps. So we are now in a place where AI is a decision maker for humans and if we are going to leverage chat GBT for helping us make decisions the way we feed the al the I don't know if it's an algorithm or a I don't know what the proper reference tool is for uh the the data we're feeding uh the web which then is aggregated on these AI platforms but it we now have to play by the rules of AI which is feed the web your data so that humans can make a proper or educated decision off of uh the indexing that the AI is pulling. So here we are.

20:39 I have no choice. I got to play by their rules. There's not like there's consent forms here to sign or o, you know, omit. You just got to just, you know, accept that AI now decides for humans and objectively uh add all of your content on the web knowing that you're g it's going to be indexed and it's going to be used to eventually help your business or that's my

21:03 Well, that's one way. That's one way. I mean, I firmly believe that there's going to be a cancel culture against all this. Just, hey, take my data, take my brain, tell me what tell me when I need to eat pizza at 7 at night. AI, you tell me how to live life. I don't think that's the way it h it should be.

21:19 Well, I mean, it's there now. It's because if especially if you're looking at AI to help you with like your BMI or your, you know, to to attain fitness goals, it's like, what should I eat? When should there's so many different devices already now telling you eat this, don't eat this, breathe this time, let me know what what, you know, send me your blood work. I'll tell you what to do.

21:40 Yeah. And a lot of that stuff is useful. I mean, you're a fit guy, so I imagine you use some of that stuff. And it's useful to know, hey, I got to 11,000 or 15,000 steps today and my heart rate's at 140 and storing that and then getting personal advice. That's helpful and people need that, but that will not last. Okay. So once we reach, we talked about it already, once we reach AGI and all of your data and everybody else's data is in an AGI system, that's going to create a new trillion dollar company that basically tells you what to work and what what to what who's employing you and what to eat. So there's a new way. This is where blockchain comes in.

22:16 So let's just talk really quickly about blockchain. I keep it real simple, okay? when you when you put your this video on StreamYard or YouTube, we've signed a user agreement and Google says, "We're storing it on our servers. We're going to give you uh we're going to give you a service where we distribute this to billions of people, hundreds of billions of people. I'm sorry, hundreds of millions of people." And um and we own it. So, it's on their server. And Google can look into every single aspect of your of your drive, of your docs, of your sheets, of your photos, and they have access to it. they just do. So on blockchain, however, when you store something on blockchain, this is true about Bitcoin, but it's also true about AI training data is what it's called.

22:58 When you store something on blockchain, it's it's fragmented and stored across multiple servers, and you have to hack or unencrypt that file from all the computer the consensus of the computers at once. So blockchain is going to allow us to own our own data, put it out on the web, monetize it in ways we want without having to just give it to Google so they can have access to it. So that's a key technology here is blockchain, not just for crypto, but for storing our thoughts. And we're going to get away, Joseph, from basically posting on all these sites and we're going to have we're going to own it. We're going to have open sites where this is done.

23:33 I don't know how that's going to happen or when that's going to happen. I would like to create my own AI twin, take all of my content that I've published, all my blogs, all my podcasts, and have that AI twin then duplicate, you know, these shows or just create content without me even thinking about it based on all of my

23:54 data that it has. Done. And that's live now. That's we have that at Twin Protocol now. We, for example, what we'll do and I think we we're happy to do this for you. And by the way, any of your any of your users here who want to go to twinprotocol.com and sign up um they could, you know, we could let you know to give them a free code or something, Joseph, after this so they know to get started. So what the simple thing we could do is we could take just your video from this particular call and we could put that and ingest that quote unquote into your twin. That's the video data. It's yours. You own it. And so it would look just like this call. It'd have your mannerisms. It'd have your hand up. It'd have you talking however you talk. Then we'd ingest one or all of your podcasts and that knowledge base is stored on chain on blockchain and people could start asking your twin photorealistic twin real time questions

24:44 voice to voice about any of that knowledge. So, Joseph, tell me about you. What do you do? I'm having this trouble in life. I'm having this trouble in business. From your knowledge base, you would be able to guide them. And we have that now.

24:57 That's really cool. Right now, from the knowledge base, we're agging from general, you know, AI chat. GPT is what the latest one is that all my team's able to deduct and reason and create all my content, etc. But we haven't got to where where it's video, you know, we haven't been leveraging my knowledge base for video content specifically or, you know, a 247 Joseph Shallabby AI avatar that's on standby for a Q&A or anything like that, which which is exciting to know that we can do. I'd love to, you know, work on that probably immediately after this podcast. And uh how fast is a launch?

25:37 Uh real quick, I mean uh it's real simple. So with what with you go to Twin Protocol, a user goes to Twin Protocol, they sign up, uh they they acquire an account, they upload just a simple picture of themsel, record three minutes of audio, put a few documents about themsel, maybe even just their LinkedIn profile. Done. You got a twin that somebody can talk to right away on the live on the internet.

25:59 That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to get that going and you know, we'll let people talk to the Joseph Shelby twin on coffeesforcloers.com.

26:07 They'd love that, I'm sure. Yeah. And it's I'm always I love to be the kind of the pilot use case for a lot of our stuff. Now, um

26:16 do you think some of your So, have all of your past ventures been in the tech space or in, you know, is this the first AI uh business that you've launched?

26:27 I mean, most of my businesses have been in the tech space. I for for example, I've done some sports things. I work with the Association of Volleyball Professionals. We started a youth uh a a a national youth program to help people get into the sport. My daughter played the sport, so I had an affinity for it. And I was a I was a two sport college athlete, so I love sports. So that's a bit of a derivative from that. I start I've been in the fashion industry. My cousin created a company called Foot Pedals, which was like little designer high heeled shoe things. A lot of your users or listeners probably know it. And so I've been in that industry, but much of what I've done has been in tech because it's so empowering and it helps so many people at scale. And of course the values of the companies, the multiples you get on companies that you build there can be extreme. There's some crazy valuations now in AI for example,

27:12 companies going from one trillion to five trillion. Nvidia. So there's a lot of power in that from a business perspective and I just love it as well.

27:21 Yeah. I mean the IBIDA tech company is the most. It's like 10x or 20x any other company.

27:28 Well, here's one. When OpenAI when Microsoft invested in OpenAI, this is at the launch of ChatgBT3.5, the multiple was 676 revenue. So, which is off the charts ridiculous, right? So, they barely had any revenue and they got, you know, decad billion dollar valuations. And so, there's a lot and some people say we're in a bubble, a financial bubble, and AI's driving that. It's quite possible actually because a lot of these companies have valuations that don't have fundamentals based upon how many customers you have and what's your gross revenue and are you profitable? Amazon did that long, you know, 20ear cycle where they weren't profitable at all.

28:06 But obviously we know they've changed the entire e-commerce game and how people buy stuff. So, but there is a lot of fluff in today's multiples and and growing a company, but they're getting ridiculous valuations.

28:20 Yeah, Amazon just pivoted. I talked to another tech entrepreneur like and they really their their revenue, believe it or not, you know where it's coming from is with ads now. It's more profitable than their products.

28:33 So yeah, that's all probably 100% margin there almost. Yeah, it's it's the Yeah, it's mostly all margin other than payrolls and such. And uh they have and they basically he was explaining to me that the and this is a big tech entrepreneur. Um and he's just went he just sold his publicly his ad company. Um but uh he said that you know the the the products are basically just content to that's all it is to get people to you know to get companies to advertise on Amazon. And I'm like, "Wow, Amazon." And I'm sure it's not nearly as hyper regulated as like Meta and all these other platforms.

29:16 Well, you know, on Amazon, and we'll probably do a lot of shopping there this the holiday season this year. You go on Amazon and the sponsored products are right up top and of course they know what you viewed before and they have all the metadata on you. So, they're able to serve up exactly what you want and then people buy. And many products, especially on Amazon, they're so commoditized now. like there's so many similar products and they're so inexpensive that it's hard to differentiate. So you really need to have a brand and this gets more and more important as AI comes around. You know this because you teach personal branding and it is so important for people really in any career to have a personal brand to stand for something because what employers always want and what companies like Amazon want is they want you to bring a following. They want you to bring users to them too and then people

30:02 that can either buy or be a part of what they're doing. So having a brand is for advertising is so important because it gets people to spend their disposable income and beyond. As you know in the US we spend way beyond and go into debt for consumerism. But that's just how it is here. Now my argument and correct me if I'm wrong is like in the age of AI indexing personal branding is imperative for any company just to survive just because of the decision making that AI is making for the consumers and those that don't have any personal branding which is pretty much 97% 98% of entrepreneurs they're they're going to be left in the dust and those that focus on branding are going to be the ones that grab all the market share and eat everybody's lunch. So, I would, you know, venture to say that as we get to, you know, this artificial general AGI or ASI, like your brand is the only thing you got, you

31:04 know, be and and as you continue to build your brand, you're going to be able to leverage AGI much more so than those that never started the process. So I you're 100% right, Joseph. I mean, you are dead on with that. So I I I got the pleasure to go to a dinner with a gentleman named James Tag. He a lot of the patents around touchscreen technology, which we have on our phones and on our watches is him. So you he some people call him the inventor of the touchscreen. Uh he's got a crazy new business, but I just mentioned it to let you know how far out he is. He actually takes stem cells and sends them to the space station, grows them for 10 days, at the space station, sends them back to sends them back to Earth, and then they use those as organic computer processors, brain cells as computer processors. This guy's name is James Tag. So after hearing, what do you do now? And

31:56 that's science fiction. But the point was that science fiction that's here, by the way. The point was I'm like, so what are you telling your kids to do? Because you're here you are you're like you have like a 10-year-old and a 13-y old and here you are foremost front end of the previous tech revolution and you're literally growing brains as computer processors which is weird but that's where his that's where he is. He's like look I'm this is this is replies to your story. I'm telling my my kids that they need to be an influencer and they need to be good at sports because those are innately human things. Humans are going to look at other humans and basically go who are you and what's your brand and what do you stand for? So even somebody of that nature who is building tech companies is telling his own kids, you got to be an influencer. You got to do peak peak human performance stuff because that's what he believes in. And

32:44 that blew me away because it shows you how important at least that gentleman says being an influencer is going to be. It's exactly what you're talking about with personal brand.

32:52 Wow. That just confirms so much of my theory about, you know, personal branding. And I've been telling some of my kids to do that. Some of my kids are already doing that. Some of my kids are kind of worried about the

33:06 unnecessary notoriety that you get in public. I was just telling my director here that, you know, like I just went to coffee today and some guy just stopped me while I'm with my kids, you know, like getting them breakfast and like, "Hey, I follow you." Like

33:20 just threw me off, you know, like Well, that's what you wish for. Huh. That's the only part.

33:30 Yeah. you don't you don't like the un you know just when you're out with your family just getting stopped that's kind of annoying um but you just have to do it it's part of the game you know it's part of the pro

33:40 and now you know with with where we're entering with AGI and now what you just confirmed in this conversation it's like

33:48 you must people must be able to acknowledge you and know who you are and know what the services you provide and the products you provide because that's the world that we're in and you know without that knowledge base, you know, you're you're you're kind of like you're competing in a very old-fashioned way,

34:07 totally old-fashioned, you know, um we're using the internet now. Cold calling is dead. That's just a few decades old. So, we're entering a new phase. And um 30% of the world are introverts, right? And you know how many people that want to get started a personal brand, they fiddle around with lighting and cameras and they want to make sure they look right and they put up a green screen and who cares? So, but the thing about AI twins, which we started the conversation with, is my AI twin runs five shows for me. Just go to any Bill Inman social media, X, Instagram, Facebook. It's doing the show. Now, I'm not an introvert, but I wouldn't say I love being in front of a camera 247. It's not like the Truman Show for me. Many people though, they cannot get in front of a camera. Well, guess what? Your twin can make content for you now with photo realistic and you don't even have to be in front of a

34:57 camera anymore. So, for those people that are just totally disenfranchised because they're scared to death of being in front of a camera, all good. Now, create a twin. Have that twin do shows for you. Educate your twin to be the best. Everybody on watching this is the best in the world at something. Pangliding real estate professional in Las Vegas. They can make all these videos now without being in front of a camera.

35:20 That's great. And I wonder the quality of the of the twin, the caliber of the content it will create in in comparison to, you know, them doing it themselves. Now, those that are introverts that want to get in front of a camera that just aren't good in front of a camera, obviously they're going to win with the digital twin because now they don't got to deal with it. But, you know, if we look at the Bill Inman show, and I know that a lot of it's audio. We're talking full visual mannerisms, everything's in play there, right?

35:52 Again, go to Bill Inman on Instagram, watch the shows, My Twin Crates. Uh, sometimes I'm blown away because it it looks and sounds like me. There's no doubt. And I don't say any of it. I don't write any of it. I don't say any of it. It just takes from my brain, my twin brain, my vault, and creates the content. I give it a subject. Now, I curate it and I edit it because I don't want my twin saying something stupid on my behalf. So, I do approve it. Give it the blue check. But it's not me. It looks just like me and it's getting better and better every week.

36:22 Wow. You know, a lot of this is refreshing, especially as we start our next new venture, our media company, and we want to offer these services to folks that don't are are terrified of building content or creating content or don't even want to deal with all this. So, you know, me as an entrepreneur, I see another billion-dollar company that I can control with a small amount of uh uh personnel. I don't need like a 500 people on this employ with this new venture. I need just probably a dozen and I could launch a billion dollar company.

36:57 Well, you know what I'm excited about for you and you're really good at is first of all, you're super creative. make fun content and a lot of the con I wouldn't say my content is my content's AGI and quantum computing so I can't really do a bunch of dad jokes about that and make it fun but but what you're really good at and what you can help people with and and your users and listeners can do this too is you're getting them into AI and you're showing them how to make all these things and create this around their personal brand and they can take that to the nth degree so you're teaching people to teach others and that's so valuable because the word isn't out what AGI is what artificial super intelligences. We didn't even talk about the singularity uh which is the book title that we talked about earlier where AI becomes self-replicating and has its own goals and mission beyond ASI. So I think what

37:44 you're able to do here is get people started on the track to understanding that AI is for you. You can do it. Here's how to do it. And I think you're going to have a really big business helping people like that.

37:54 Yeah. I'm actually meeting with my team. We're we're launching a school and sk you know a school channel where people could subscribe to and all that. Yeah.

38:03 And we're going to be doing you know we're te where we're teaching folks how to build their brand etc. One of the components we're going to add and this would be probably a main framework is going to be the AI component. And I don't know if my AI avatar will teach the class. I don't know if I'll teach the class. I don't I don't know. Uh you know huh

38:21 both. I don't know stand next to each other and teach it together. Yeah, you Well, I mean, right here in my office here, I've got a humanoid robot that I've been on stage with, Sophia the robot, who's really well known. And um I've been on stage with the robot doing it. It might not be your avatar. Might be you and a humanoid robot. Might be your avatar, might be a hologram, might be a chatbot. Your brain might be integrated into somebody else's app, which you'll get paid on,

38:47 which we don't have holograms yet with the AI integration, right? Do you have that? There's hologram proof of concepts, I would call them, that um are small enough devices where you could project like R2-D2, Princess Leia type stuff, if you remember that in Star Wars,

39:03 but we're not at we're not at scale yet. But what you will find and is impressive and still really young is the new metagasses have a screen inside of your glasses. So

39:12 yeah. Yeah, those those just came out. Yeah, I just I'm here in Vegas and I got it at the wind. They had a pop-up shop. And that overlay that's in your eye can be will be eventually where it's not a hologram, but it's an overlay, a digital overlay. It looks like somebody's standing in front of you and talking to you.

39:30 Did you get them? Because it looks like you're talking to nobody. But so you you purchased them?

39:37 I did. I bought them like the first week, the new Meta version glasses that and it has this screen overlay in your right eye and they they have a wristband that you wear and then you kind of use your these kind of gestures to go left.

39:50 And I I've been trying to figure out what the hell am I going to use this for besides looking like Marty McFly because they're like huge black Rayband glasses. And um I do find it useful. I like to walk and talk on conference calls. So, I put the glasses on and in a WhatsApp or in a Facebook Messenger, the people who I'm talking to can see what I see. So, you could be really useful like, "Hey, I want to show you what's happening with my plumbing and you can wear those glasses and you can have your hands in there." So, it's cool for active communication and um but don't wear it while you're driving. I did I was driving it the first night. I'm like, "Oh, shoot. There was like too much going on here like right in front of my face."

40:30 So, yeah. So, the use cases for those aren't really pronounced just yet, but uh I'm sure I mean Mark Zuckerberg that that was he was so excited about those.

40:42 You're not gonna you're not going to pick up your phone and have three screens and you're going to basically have glasses on and the screen's going to be in front of your eyes and your hands are going to be free. There's not going to be cell phones in the traditional sense in very very short time. We're talking about years.

40:57 Cell phones will be obsolete soon, huh? it. Why would you want it on your hand when it's right in front of your eyes?

41:04 I just don't think, you know, pretty ladies are going to want to wear big old glasses.

41:09 Contact lenses. It's going to get miniaturized. Contact lenses. You know, like we've gotten away. I mean, I don't know. Aesthetically, I don't know how I'd look in those if I'm going to be walking around with them.

41:19 Yeah. I'm sure you'd be fine. But they have they have the Oakley version, which is like the big sports glasses, the big huge one. And then they have the traditional meta glasses, but they're thicker, so it just looks a little bit bigger. And of course, they're odd because

41:32 they're just meta. They're meta. They're not AGI. No, they're not AGI yet. They're just Yeah, they're not the augment I mean I mean augment. They're not I'm sorry. A all these terms reality reality.

41:48 Yeah, they are. They It is augmented reality. So, if you've got if you've got a map in front of your face and you're you're on a you're walking path, you're riding a bike and it's showing you where to turn, that's augmented reality. Your your reality.

42:01 So, wait, wait. The the Oakley ones are are augmented reality. Uh, no, those are just tracking devices. I haven't tried those on yet, but I don't think they have the built-in screen because they have the thin like uh

42:12 Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Well, yeah, the augmented reality. And you know who was the first uh company to roll out augmented reality glasses? wasn't meta. Uh I actually did I'm uh sponsored by um uh Snapchat. Snapchat was the first company to do it.

42:29 I love those glasses. Those were awesome. The Snapchat ones. Yeah. But I mean, they were the first to put the camera inside of the thing and then you connect it to Snap. And they were way ahead of their time and they should have ran with that.

42:40 Yeah, they should have. And they're but they're very expensive. They're like, I don't know, $10,000 and they're very ugly. They're massive.

42:47 Yeah. But they were the first to introduce augmented reality. Yeah, they were they were a leader there commercially. You know, there was other companies, you know, I live in Manhattan Beach. A friend of mine, Joe, had a company was a huge computer you wore on your belt and it had big glasses. But the the commercial version where you actually could wear them in society, they were really they were they were early.

43:08 Yeah. They were they were the first to drop it. Now, what advice do you think you'd give to a founder who wants to, you know, to be disruptive in the AI space and feels like they're just an underdog because this is just the most hyper competitive space right now

43:26 and it's oversaturated and it's beyond a buzzword. So AI is three things. It's compute power. The NVIDIA, the TSMC, the Oracles of the world, Stargate as a project in the US, China building data centers, compute power, big moat, really hard to get into the compute power. You and I aren't going to be able to go start a chip manufacturing business today. We have to raise a billion dollars. So then the second part of AI is algorithms. And that is your GPTs, your narrow AIs, your embedded inside of even Siri is a is a version of an algorithm. And you can that's where the glut is right there is tons of everybody in their mom has an algorithm to sell you now we're going to help you make you productive with this and your business productive with that and then the third part of AI is training data and that's the part that I'm in that's the part I think is blue ocean because what's happened is the algorithm companies the

44:21 LLM are just sucking in training data taking everybody's stuff including all your podcasts as you as you've seen yourself owning your own training data making that personal that's a business for an entrepreneur and then being able to have very um succinct and accurate and narrow data for a business or a person. So I like the training data side algorithms saturated uh compute power too big of a mode training data wide open. That's my advice.

44:51 Now how would I as an entrepreneur take my training data and leverage it and uh monetize it? Well, we're going to do this exactly for you and maybe for any of your listeners. Take all of your podcasts, put them on chain so you own it. Put then you have interfaces to that an avatar. We also do explainer videos. So, we could say, "Joseph, explain to me the the the best way that you come up with creative scripts or you go out in the field and you come up with ideas." And then an explainer video where it's a handdrawn kind of cartoony thing immediately would say, "Here's the eight steps to have great content. Do it." So, those are interfaces. So for for an entrepreneur, take all of your training data and if you're not collecting it, start collecting it. And if you want to innovate in a space, if you want to be the best uh AI real estate agent in Newport Beach, get every bit of data on Newport Beach that is publicly

45:42 available, put that in your twin and have your twin start selling real estate in Newport Beach. What do you mean? It means that I'm a wealthy individual. I just made a hundred I just made a million dollars on Bitcoin. I live in Mina. I want to move to one of the nicest areas in the US, Newport Beach. Well, who do I talk to? They go to the Joseph Shallaby Newport Beach real estate AI. They learn all about the boats and the Christmas light show and all the fun stuff in Newport, what it's like, and you sell, your AI sells a house to somebody coming out of the Middle East. So, you educate your AI on your business or the business you want to be in, and you put it out there to the world, and it becomes an influencer.

46:20 what we just talked about. It's everything you're doing and I'm doing. Your AI becomes the influencer for you driving business. Start with that.

46:28 Wow. Huh. I mean, easier said than done, but I I guess using your AI twin, you're able to launch pretty quickly now. You know, what is what do you think the ultimate end goal is with with your legacy here with Twin? What What's the ultimate legacy play here? to make the world a better place where people own their own AI and we're not subject to whatever big tech powerful ASI or AGI. It's very powerful. We're creating a new species on the planet that's as intelligent as us we're talking about in the next 20 years. So my legacy is I want to give that power back to the people. I want people to own all that data and aggregate it and the people will create their own AGI so that they have a say in how they make money and how and if it's beneficial to the environment or not and so on. So my legacy is going to be and and and you and I are friends with Pavon Agarwal uh who is a founder of Angel AI and I

47:25 partner with him. Our goal is two billion AI twins and that's that's what we're going to do. So the legacy will be getting to two billion twins. Everybody owns their own data. They participate in the new multi-t trillion dollar market. It's a great goal and you know it's like power back to the people. You know it's kind of like this agenda that's fighting you know something that's ultimately somewhat it could be evil or if in the wrong hands is evil and if the people take control of this and understand this it's very powerful. The biggest problem I see with this is one thing and I talk to Pavon about this all the time even is even within my own company is adoption.

48:08 How do we get adoption especially at scale especially with people outside of Gen Alpha

48:16 you know like or Gen Z or Gen X like millennials will have a hard time even adopting. Well, I would I would do this as a challenge for us and then for you directly to all of your fan base. Get people their get people their own AI twin where they own the data, right? So, all you got to do is get people involved. So, start to get people their own AI twin and start to put the content out there and that goes viral. So, you want to get adoption, let's get let's get your AI twin up and running so that it's educating people 247 365 in 40 languages. So, you're now talking Arabic and and Mandarin. And then [clears throat] you're teaching people how to get their own AI twin and do the same for whatever they love. So it can go viral. This is all blue ocean.

48:59 Nobody's done this yet. Get people their AI twin. Teach them how to have their own AI twin. And that at the angel AI app again, Pavon Augural, we actually pay people for introducing people to AI. So it's all wide open. Have your AI twin go viral for you and teach it to have other people's AI twin go viral and then you'll get adoption. All uncharted waters. All very exciting stuff. Couple last questions before we wrap up. This is about your goals. What's a personal goal that you have for yourself? A family goal you have for your family and a goal that you have for your business.

49:35 Yeah. Well, my uh thanks for the questions. I appreciate that stuff. So, um my personal goal is listen, I'm just trying to get better every day and um you know, I've been blessed to be a part of really exciting businesses and um just the day-to-day tactics, man. I'm trying to be a better listener. I'm trying to put myself in other people's shoes and uh and so I'm really trying working as hard as possible and I'm not bad at this to care about other people and help them reach their goals. So that's that's what I want. I also want to stay fit because it's such an exciting time and I want to be healthy and I want to lead by example. So that's me. Uh for the business, you know, I've already stated that our goal is to get two billion twins. So that's like a there's a metric for you right there.

50:16 Like we know exactly where we're going. So now, how do we get there? We need influencers. We need communities. We need groups. And um and from a family perspective, I I I'm an only child. Uh I have one daughter. Her name's Alexia Inman. Her initials are AI. We did not plan it like that. And um I want to make sure that I can leave the world a better place for her. So she doesn't have no clue about this massive change that's coming. I'm on the front. I'm on the front end of this because I love my family. I love my friends. I'm trying to find as much as possible because I want to be ready. And so from a family perspective, I just want to make sure that my family's ready for this all and everybody else, you know, my friends, too. So,

50:58 perfect. Last question. Especially like with all this stuff happening with AI, and I know you want to leave the place, the world a better place, but when you're in front of the pearly gates, what do you think God's going to tell you? Um, well, I hope he I hope he would say or she or it I hope I hope they would say, [clears throat] "Man, you just left everything out there and did everything you can to be the best you could while you had your time uh living your life and and you did it for the benefit of others and not just for yourself." I really hope that's the my review. Um, I hope I can live up to that every day.

51:39 It's hard because life's challenges and Maslo's hierarchy of needs and fighting the day-to-day challenges of life can take you away from that. But I I would I would be honored to to to give that kind of effort to help others. God bless you. God bless your efforts. Continue to show people the light in this everchanging ex, you know, rapidly changing world of AI. Thank you, Bill, for joining the show. If people want to connect with you, how do they find you? Uh, Bill Inman, B I L L I N M an every social channel. So, uh, that again, personal branding. I'm with you on that.

52:16 You're a master at it. Uh, you're doing a fantastic job, uh, helping the world have

52:21 about to get better with your help. AI [snorts] twins, man. Let's go. This is what we do. And I know that you're going to be a key person in that in this whole movement because you're a entrepreneur who wants to work at scale and add zeros to everything you do. So, I get it

52:34 that at massive scale. And I I feel like I'm just beginning my journey. I'm going to be launching various schools, various platforms, various educational platforms, various social platforms. So, you know, I'm really really excited about this partnership with you. I'm really excited about everything that you're doing. God bless you. I hope we dominate together. And thank you so much. I look forward to having you back on the show.

52:53 Thanks for having me. It's an honor.

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Who speaks in "The State of AI with Bill Inman | Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby"?

Joe Shalaby (Host), Bill Inman (Guest), Pavon Agarwal (Guest), James Tag (Guest), Curtis (Guest), Alexia Inman (Guest).

What is "The State of AI with Bill Inman | Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby" about?

Bill Inman, founder and CEO of Twin Protocol, discusses his revolutionary AI platform designed to preserve human legacy and wisdom, enabling individuals to transcend mortality by capturing their essence and memories. Through innovation and personal transformation, Inman aims to redefine how society approaches memory, mortality, and meaning in the age of AI.

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75 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including ChatGPT, AI twin, Blockchain, Artificial superintelligence (ASI), Twin Protocol, avatar. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "The State of AI with Bill Inman | Coffeez for Closers with Joe Shalaby"?

The episode runs 53 min; the transcript is about 9,496 words in 114 timestamped sections.

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