Somatic Therapy, Trauma & Neurodivergence: Why Shaking Helps the Body Heal

What this episode is about

The main topic explores the benefits of somatic therapy in healing trauma, particularly for neurodivergent individuals, emphasizing the importance of physical expression, such as tremoring, in the healing process. The discussion highlights how unconventional and seemingly unrefined methods can effectively aid in emotional and physical wellness, underlining the deep connection between mind and body.

Key takeaways

• If your business solves a personal problem, congratulations, you’re onto something worth sharing and scaling.
• Sometimes the least glamorous solutions, like tremoring, unlock the biggest wellness breakthroughs. Not every fix comes wrapped in a bow.
• Mindset matters: you’re not just what you eat; you’re often what you think. Energy flows where attention goes.
• Transforming personal challenges into professional insights creates empathy. Who better to help than someone who's been in the trenches?
• In a world obsessed with labels, recognizing nuanced neurodivergence can turn eccentricities into superpowers—embrace the strange!

Who speaks in this episode?

• Ryan Alfred (Host) · 12 min speaking
• Chris Hansen (Host) · 6 min speaking
• Raquel Deville (Guest) · 12 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: Ben Alfred, Autism, Raquel Deville, Tremoring
2. 5:00 – 10:00: Neurodiversity
3. 10:00 – 15:00: Tremoring, Autism, Yoga
4. 15:00 – 20:00: Tremoring
5. 20:00 – 25:00: Tremoring
6. 25:00 – 29:58: Vibe Science, Chris Hansen, It's Not Your Period, Greenville (North Carolina)

Notable quotes from "Somatic Therapy, Trauma & Neurodivergence: Why Shaking Helps the Body Heal"

• This is Vibe Science, a top 100 wellness podcast presented by the Radcast Network. Breaking wellness barriers and making health truly personal. Here's your host, Ryan Alfred.

  about Vibe Science · at 0:34

• Up a notch. That's why we're great. Hey, we got a I just like this name semantic therapist. We have Raquel Deville. Well, hey, Raquel. How are you?

  about Raquel Deville · at 1:43

• Doesn't fall far from the tree right so I don't think it's a health thing or mental health thing or whatever. It's just the way we are. So, I don't know if I'm making sense or explaining or you're making total sense.

  about Neurodiversity · at 9:30

• So I'm a yoga teacher and a lot of people start with coming to practice for yoga with me and I do a so with a hammock. So it's a lot of fun. It's not very serious and it's it allows for.

  about Yoga · at 13:31

• When the stress is finally over, if we were in nature, our body would tremor to release the stress, to release the body tension, the muscular tension, and to release all the chemicals through this tremoring movement. However, this.

  about Tremoring · at 17:02

• And oh, and I have a book called It's Not Your Period.

  about It's Not Your Period · at 27:53

• Rockel's information. And you can reach me and Chris on social media. For Chris Hansen in Miami, I'm Ryan Alford coming to you from Greenville, South Carolina.

  about Greenville (North Carolina) · at 29:20

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Raquel Deville — Person · Main guest · 1 mention · first at 1:49
  Guest somatic therapist who explains tremoring/TR as a body-based method to release stress/trauma and discusses working with neurodivergent clients (ADHD/autism/giftedness).
• Ben Alfred — Person · Host · 2 mentions · first at 0:42
  Introduces the show and guest, guides the interview, and frames the episode around mind-body wellness and practical applications of tremoring.
  Raquel, set the table for our audience.
• Chris Hansen — Person · Co-host · 2 mentions · first at 1:30
  Co-host who asks clarifying questions about tremoring, relates it to breathwork/psychedelics and social suppression of fear responses, and helps steer the discussion.
  Amazing how that works. That's why I always love this about this show. And Chris and I get the benefit to have on people all walks of life. And Chris, how are you today, my friend?

Books & papers

• It's Not Your Period — Book · Referenced resource / giveaway · 1 mention · first at 27:53
  Raquel mentions having a book and offers it free to listeners for a limited time; used as a call-to-action and credibility marker.

Concepts & topics

• Tremoring — Concept · Core topic · 10 mentions · first at 0:23
  Central physiological mechanism discussed: an involuntary shaking response framed as a natural way to discharge stress, tension, and incomplete fight/flight/freeze responses.
• TR (Tremor Release) — Concept · Core topic / technique · 10 mentions
  Named technique Raquel uses to induce tremoring via exercises; presented as fast-acting relief and teachable for self-practice without ongoing therapist involvement.
• ADHD — Concept · Core topic · 1 mention · first at 2:13
  Raquel self-identifies as ADHD and describes how ADHD traits (interest-based learning, hyperfocus/hyperfixation) shaped her life and inform her client work.
  Huh. So, I have a like a big background with very different skills because yeah, so I'm ADHD. So, I'm ADHD.
• Neurodiversity — Concept · Core topic · 1 mention · first at 9:39
  Frames the episode’s stance against pathologizing; discussed as natural human variation rather than illness, especially in relation to ADHD/autism/giftedness and masking.
• Autism — Concept · Core topic (referenced condition) · 3 mentions · first at 2:24
  Discussed as part of Raquel’s own profile (“a little autism in the mix”) and as a major population she serves; linked to masking, sensory/social preferences, and stress.
  So I have very different interests in life and I pass from one to the other and because there's a little autism in the mix. So I have this the hyperfixation on a subject and…
• Yoga — Concept · Supporting modality · 1 mention · first at 13:31
  Yoga is described as an entry point for clients (including hammock-based practice) and yoga nidra is discussed as a relaxation practice that works well online.

Places & events

• Greenville (North Carolina) — Place · Host location (sign-off) · 1 mention · first at 29:28
  Ryan Alfred identifies he is broadcasting from Greenville, providing geographic context for the host.

Media & podcasts

• Vibe Science — Media · Primary show / setting · 2 mentions · first at 0:34
  The podcast platform where the discussion occurs; positioned as a wellness show focused on mind-body-energy and presented by Radcast Network.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 I read somewhere that your business or what you do should be that one thing that you actually need basically. So you really explore it and then you can actually help other people that have the same problem because you already explored discovered and so on. What I say a lot to my clients is when it's not elegant or socially acceptable probably it's good for your body. So this tremoring it's very good for you. If it's not sexy, it's working.

0:30 Exactly. If it's not sexy or elegant, it's the way to do it. This is Vibe Science, a top 100 wellness podcast presented by the Radcast Network. Breaking wellness barriers and making health truly personal. Here's your host, Ryan Alfred. Hello and welcome to Vibe Science. We're always taking you to your highest vibe. It's about mind, body, energy. We're going to talk probably more about the mind today than anything. But the mind affects everything else in the body. You know, if you think you're in pain, you are in pain. If you think you've got high energy, you have high energy. If you think bad thoughts, you have bad things happen. It does amazing how the mind controls everything else in the body. I know this personally. I know when I'm in a good mood, things happen for me. When I'm in a bad mood, it seems like everything bad happens. So, it's amazing how that works. That's why I always love this about this show. And

1:30 Chris and I get the benefit to have on people all walks of life. And Chris, how are you today, my friend?

1:37 I'm great, brother. I'm pumped to be here. Amen. On today's show. Yes, we're always taking the high vibes up a notch. That's why we're great. Hey, we got a I just like this name semantic therapist. We have Raquel Deville. Well, hey, Raquel. How are you?

1:53 Hey, Ryan. Hey, Chris. I'm I'm great. Thanks for having me. I'm thrilled to be here.

2:00 Raquel, set the table for our audience. Tell give them a little bit about your background and how you're helping people.

2:07 Huh. So, I have a like a big background with very very different skills because uh yeah, so I'm uh ADHD. So, I I'm ADHD. So I have very different uh interests in life and I pass from one to the other and because there's a little autism in the mix. So I have this the hyperfixation on a subject and then the hyperfocus and and this has been like making my life uh very um lots of variety in my skills. But nowadays um I work mainly with um neurodeiverse people or neurode divergent uh mainly ADHD autism and with giftedness um and I'm a somatic therapist. So um I address the problems of the mind through the body. So it's I think what we call a bottomup approach. I always forget the name. U but I work with the body and so the mind uh feels better. I don't know if this explains what I do.

3:19 I think it does. It's fascinating that you uh help people. I mean, it's great that you help people with similar issues of your own. I personally find that it's always interesting to me the people that help people that haven't had certain issues. You know, I always find comfort if someone has dealt with the issue themselves, you know, when they're helping me with something.

3:43 I I read somewhere more than once that your business or what you do should be that one thing that you actually need. And yeah, basically so you need something you really explore it and then you can actually uh help other people that have the same problem because you already explored, discovered and so on. And when you have good results yourself, you can go on and share it with others. What when did you just I mean how how early did you do did you know I mean I did your family know that you you know had ADHD or maybe were on the spectrum?

4:27 H I don't know that my family knew. Um I I think I'm the first one really like pinpointing that okay so we are this strange family because we have the we are like this and since I actually uh realized this and I shared it for example with my mother things became much lighter because now we know so now we know uh that we react like this because we are like this and it's not that we are crazy it's just that uh we react to certain stimuli the way we do. But I remember when I was a kid, sometimes I needed to retreat and go and hide somewhere in a corner in order to cry and really stress. I remember doing it. Um and then um I also remember that how hard it was to learn things by heart and I felt very stupid because I couldn't learn things by heart and um I felt stupid actually.

5:35 Uh but I was really good in adapting. So see something and adapt to another reality. And um and at the same time I couldn't learn by heart. If I was interested in a subject, I could learn it like nobody else could. So, uh, but I needed to be interested. If I was not interested, I couldn't learn. It was over. And I couldn't retain. Um, and then I had and I still have many many different interests, but many different ones. Um, and then I don't know other things. In school, for example, I remember some social things uh not feeling like being social all the time and uh being people with the pe uh being picky with the people or um for example uh physical proximity I don't know if this word exists in in English like when people get too close and I would

6:38 or with with physical contact or I don't know difficulty sometimes also staying focused focused or staying too focused and many things I realized as an adult and this focus thing it's something that I really realized as an adult and even more as a mother. So when I had kids then I discovered much more and that's what made me um well actually got get into the subject.

7:10 Hey, go figure. ADHD you get tired of things, you know, move on. Yeah. But with that said, it is fascinating how some people get classified as different. Like you said, maybe your family was a little different, though they hadn't been classically diagnosed that maybe there was a heritage of some of these conditions that now are more prevalent. That's a fascinating sort of because we all have those people that we consider to be a little different and are they different or is there a condition that does impact how they interact with society and and the norms with which that have been established.

7:52 Hm. So, for me, there's this I don't know if we can say this in English, so I'm going to say it. Correct me if it's a wrong word. Pathologizing. Like some kind of pathology, some kind of illness that you have, some kind of

8:07 uh trouble or disturbance or whatever, like a health problem or a mental health problem. I don't have a mental health problem.

8:17 I'm I'm I I'm not sick. I don't have a health problem. I'm I'm actually very healthy and uh and I don't have any kind of mental issues or anything. I just have my own way of functioning the same way that I have my face that it's different from yours. I also have my fingerprints that are different from everybody in the the rest of the world. What I do believe is that the same way you have we have our finger fingerprints and and the teeth also we also have our way of functioning and everybody's different. So and some people like we we look more the same um or more similar to some kind of people.

9:06 we function in a similar way to other people and then well neurode divergent people that I don't even know if it's a thing or it's just different way of functioning people these are people that attract each other and then of course they have kids and these kids well will have will be similar to their parents you know like when often the apple doesn't fall far from the tree right so I don't think it's a health thing or mental health thing or whatever. It's just the way we are. So, I don't know if I'm making sense or um

9:48 explaining or you're making total sense. It's just I think we like to classify things sometimes, but it is important though in understanding because you were saying things that I related to because I do think I fall in some spectrum or another on certain things. I know I do because I struggled with some of the same things that you said. I was either really good at certain classes or really bad but and a lot of it was interest based and I'm interested and I go down rabbit holes. I'll go deeper than a lot of people on a lot of subjects. It's also what makes made me really good in business is I'll go like further than a lot of people will go like because I'll go I just I'm curious but it does impact the way with which maybe we get classified especially growing up more so than maybe in adulthood. how do how do you uh help others you know like what are what are the conditions that you're helping

10:45 others with you know the things that you're doing so I'm helping basically people like me and I think the first thing uh is that they've suddenly discover that they are not alone so they don't have a problem and they are not alone and I think this is already a big part of the solution. Okay. So, it's the fact that uh you come okay you have ADHD and and and you are stuck in in your problems and sometimes like a little rejection from society or from school or from work or whatever. I work mainly with women. So often it's women that do a lot of masking in order to look normal and and they feel that okay so I'm actually uh normal to people like me. So they feel a lot of relief of relief just from there. Then often they come with problems like chronic pain for example, a lot of stress, anxiety, uh sleep issues, um all of them together. And uh often they come from neurodeiversity that usually it's autism, ADHD, and also

12:09 giftedness. giftedness. It's It's not even I don't even see it often as being neurode divergent and it's kind of privile privly privly oh my god someone that got very lucky because it's someone that has a very high uh IQ and then because oh my god you are so intelligent you are so lucky because you are good at school often people around they don't see how troubling it can be because these are people that are always like thinking a lot, questioning everything and there's a lot of stress that comes with it and for example if there is ADHD uh along and often these conditions are mixed between each other with different percentages of each as well. Um so these are people that that have a lot of a lot of stress. So, back to I think you helping people that have conditions that you've dealt with, where does the process start like when someone comes to you? I mean, first, like you said, you acknowledging they're

13:21 not strange, they're not abnormal, like they there's relatability there, but then maybe what are some of the exercises you do with people? So um so I I'm a yoga teacher and a lot of people start with coming to practice for yoga with me and I do a so with a hammock. So it's a lot of fun. It's not very serious and it's it allows for relaxation and not thinking too much. But often people when they come to me so there's always an intake but most of the times we start with um I I make people tremor. So it's a technique that it's called TR uh where um where we induce through exercises um a tremor response of the body that it's a natural response of the body and this uh this tremoring uh allows for people to relax, release stress and it helps a lot with chronic pain for example. And often chronic pain uh is related with stress and tension uh and TR so this tremoring it's like my starting point because it's like uh

14:39 immediate relief. So in the first session it's there it's always kind of magic and from there then I use um other techniques depending on the on the person's problem. So usually it starts with that. Sometimes we don't need to go further and people just tremor. They learn how to tremor, how to manage it and then they can practice on their own and they don't need me anymore.

15:07 If they feel like going on and more we got to know how this goes down. How? What? What? Sorry.

15:15 How do like what makes like describe what causes like I mean what is the tremoring like what causes it?

15:23 So when you have a stress okay so so before I start the explanation there's a video on YouTube of an impala tremoring and you can check it out. So you can see the impala tremoring. So it's the same reaction that we have. So when we have a stress uh our body has this response of fight or flight. So basically when we were living in caves basically our stress in life would be like an enemy that would come to like get some food from us to steal food or a kind of predator that could eat us. So basically we had either to fight or to flight. Okay. So this is the flight fightor-flight response and our body in a case of stress gets ready for this. So there's a lot of different reactions going on for the body to respond with a very uh powerful movement of fighting or running away.

16:22 And when this happens all the the the the reaction and the chemicals released in the body are released through this movement. However, our autonomic nervous system that manages all of this, so this is very fast what goes on and it's all automatic. Uh but if the autonomic nervous system estimates that we risk more our lives by fighting or fleeing, it will make us freeze. So it's the freeze response. So where we just don't move. Different things can happen with the freeze response, but basically we don't move. When the stress is finally over, if we were in nature, our body would tremor to release the stress, to release the body tension, the muscular tension, and to release all the chemicals through this tremoring movement. However, this is not very well perceived in our society. So we tend to never let the body tremor and when we have a stress so for example we we are in school and something happens so a teacher gets

17:35 angry with us we get punished for something so it's a stress situation but we could we can either fight or go away run away so we just stay there like froze and we don't release because we don't tremor. So even if the body starts somehow shaking, we stop it. And we do this for our whole lives. Our parents probably stop the tremoring. So we don't this response we have it. Most of people already felt it, but we tend to stop it. So what we do with TR is to induce this tremoring back through exercises, okay? that create tension in the body and then the body tremors and releases the accumulated tension and stress and trauma.

18:28 I feel had this with the breath work before. I think I felt my body just almost like I went into a trance and I was started shaking a little bit and I

18:41 but I know the feeling you're talking about. I mean, and I I've definitely been those situations, you don't have a choice but to like bottle it up, right? So, essentially, anytime you're in that fight or flight, you're bottling it and our body is holding it and storing it until you can come and induce a trauma, a tremor response to shake it out. Because I've heard people have showed me videos of dogs where they they wake up and they kind of shake.

19:06 The first time I saw someone say, "We should be doing the same thing when we get out of bed."

19:11 Yeah. But so when before we started and Ryan was saying that his leg was shaking

19:17 and he was looking and the leg was shaking still is that that's the thing. So, and when I told you, okay, if your leg is shaking, just go ahead and So, when the head the the leg shakes like this and the foot, even if it's annoying for the people around you, and it is, you can let it go because your body is releasing. And the body is doing that because the body needs to do that. And the interesting thing for me with uh with TR is that actually the body does what needs to be done and the head the mind does not interfere and it's an involuntary involuntary movement. So it's it's it's funny that the first time it's very interesting because the body starts shaking and oh it's not me it's just the body that it's doing that and it allows to release a lot of of tension.

20:11 So I often start with this because people can well there's a lot of release a lot of relief as well and it's very fast and it's something that can be done without a therapist and the thing is that it allows also for the person to feel comfortable with this tremoring response. So when this tremoring response appears with another technique that I use like somatic experiencing or brain spotting the other two techniques I use a lot it's just normal so the person already experienced it experienced it it with the TR so now this tremoring when it comes in a session of somatic experiencing for example it's welcome and the person feels comfortable with it and the the the the release of that tremoring that shows up in a session using another technique. It's very very powerful because it's not induced as in TR. It comes with something else. So it's like the completing of a a stress response that wasn't completed and well ended up

21:24 creating some kind of trauma. I feel like I really understand this more after having done psychedelics to be honest with you. The power of the brain trying to control the body where it's like once you can the power of the body when you get the brain out of the way and our thoughts is amazing, right?

21:44 Because like I know for example, I've been in some hairy situations before in my life before I got sober where that fight or flight's going and I could feel myself physically shaking. But you're typically in or I would be in scenarios that I can't show that. Right. You can't show that response because it's it's shown as fear, right?

22:09 Yeah. And now I think how many people are walking around just from being in traffic earlier that got fight or flight holding that with them every day little by little you're building building and then like you said chronic pain. I mean I've been in the medical business. I've been to chronic pain doctors. It's a horrible thing to people to deal with, but I can see what you're saying. It's like it's like a rubber band. You're constantly stretching every day. Tighter tighter tighter tighter and then it's manifesting in the body. Is that right?

22:40 Exactly. Exactly. And stress, anxiety. And I don't know much about psychedelics, but the image I have it that actually it makes you feel your body more, right? So you're it's like a kind of increased uh body awareness

23:04 and I've seen people having tremors you know. Mhm. Yeah. Where like what you said in society we're programmed to see that as oh that's weird or that

23:16 exactly something's wrong where it that's healing right. Right? I mean, I don't know how else to say it besides that's the body draining bad energy, purging old traumas and whatnot, right?

23:27 So, basically, what I say a lot to my clients is when it's not elegant or socially acceptable, probably it's good for your body. So, this tremoring, it's good. It's very good for you. And in the beginning,

23:44 if it's not sexy, it's working. Exactly. If it's not sexy or elegant, you're it's the way to do it. So this tremoring, it's like, "Oh my god, that's not acceptable."

23:56 Well, after you tremor a couple of times, you don't care anymore. Just, okay, so my body's tremoring. It needs to tremor all its good. And you just do it. It comes really fast. You can also stop.

24:05 I have the perfect marketing name for this. Shake it till you make it. Exactly. No, but there are other things.

24:16 Not fake it till you make it till you make it. But you know there are other things and people actually retain. So when you for example you you are tremoring and you start to relax and often your digestive system starts to express itself like by doing some noises. It's working. It's perfect. Or you start yawning and sometimes you start yawning like crazy. It's all good. Not elegant. We don't care. And then sometimes people when they have some kind of release they uh burp burp when you I don't remember how you say it. So when you burp when there's air coming from your stomach but from the mouth not elegant very healthy also a sign that your body is really thin and my clients get extra points for farting. It can also happen. Not elegant very not well perceived in society.

25:11 However so good for the body. win the contest. Yeah. So, so good for the body. Yeah.

25:17 That said, I never do it. Uh, but it's true when it's You get this in modern medicine ASAP.

25:27 So, basically, not elegant. It's good for you. Honor the body. Yeah. Always. Always.

25:39 Shake it till you make it and pass that gas. Man, I hope you have some scented candles in your office, Raquel, or something, you know.

25:49 Do you do this online, Raquel? Uh, I do. I do. I do this online. It works really well.

25:57 Yeah. And and guess what? So, it's like that way. Among the different yoga styles, there's yoga nidra. And yoga nidra you well I I resisted it for a long time because you just lay down and you stay there laying down and I tend to fall asleep and when I fall asleep I I snore so I just do and I resisted for years and years. I didn't want to do it in public and I was so happy with COVID because finally I could do it online and nobody could hear me because I can mute myself. So I started yoga nidra, the best one. It's it's great practice, too. And so all these noises online, I I hear them less.

26:40 So it's safer. That's amazing for people that might be shy about about this kind of body reactions.

26:48 Raquel, where can people that are listening learn more about you and uh potentially work with you? So basically um I'm online like u most of people uh I have a website uh that it's called uh enco.be be but this encore is u e n c o r psbe so it'sbe for for Belgium but with my name they can find me on the Facebook Instagram and LinkedIn so it's probably the easiest way and um yeah and that's it so ankor is my framework and it means embodied uh So, it's a French word, a French word made up that doesn't exist, but that means embodied because the literal translation it's not a beautiful word.

27:46 Yeah. So, it's ankor. And oh, and I have a book called It's Not Your Period. All of that in our show notes.

27:57 Yeah. Yeah. So, and it's free for people listening to the podcast in the first five the first two weeks. Yeah,

28:07 that's excellent. We'll have all of that in the show notes for this episode and we'll make sure we get those links from Raquel and her team and u we really appreciate you for coming on and uh I'm I'm fascinated by uh the trimmering thing and you know I might hold try to hold the gas but uh the trimmering I'll

28:31 it doesn't always happen you know like I I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if it does, it's a great thing.

28:39 You never know. The uh it's a good sign. Yeah. That means you're doing it right. Ryan Ryan is right.

28:47 Yes. Yeah. But it does not happen that often. It happens from time to time. But it's a great thing when it does.

28:55 Therefore, the extra points. So, because it's it's not that often. Yeah. Raquel, we really appreciate you for coming on. Thank you for having me and for inviting me.

29:07 Of course, I really had fun with you. It was We had a lot of fun. We appreciate Raquel for coming on. You know where to find us. vibescience.com. You'll find all the highlight clips, the full episode and links to all of Rockel's information. And you can reach me and Chris on social media. For Chris Hansen in Miami, I'm Ryan Alford coming to you from Greenville, South Carolina. We'll see you next time on Five Science. The content discussed on this show is provided for reference and educational purposes. The content is not an attempt to practice medicine or provide specific medical advice. Always consult your personal physician for medical advice and proper diagnosis. Thanks for listening. This is Vibescience. To learn more or watch full episodes, visit vibesciencepodcast.com.

29:51 Here's to discovering your highest vibe.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Somatic Therapy, Trauma & Neurodivergence: Why Shaking Helps the Body Heal"?

Ryan Alfred (Host), Chris Hansen (Host), Raquel Deville (Guest).

What is "Somatic Therapy, Trauma & Neurodivergence: Why Shaking Helps the Body Heal" about?

The main topic explores the benefits of somatic therapy in healing trauma, particularly for neurodivergent individuals, emphasizing the importance of physical expression, such as tremoring, in the healing process. The discussion highlights how unconventional and seemingly unrefined methods can effectively aid in emotional and physical wellness, underlining the deep connection between mind and…

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12 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Tremoring, Raquel Deville, TR (Tremor Release), Ben Alfred, Vibe Science, ADHD. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Somatic Therapy, Trauma & Neurodivergence: Why Shaking Helps the Body Heal"?

The episode runs 30 min; the transcript is about 4,570 words in 61 timestamped sections.

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