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Talking Dateline: "The Intruder" | Dateline NBC

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Talking Dateline: "The Intruder" | Dateline NBC", an episode of Dateline NBC published August 6, 2025 (19 min, about 3,680 words). It mentions 29 people, works and ideas, including Warrior Princess Academy, Warrior Princess Academy, Talking Dine, Donald C. Murphy, Andrea Canning.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 3:00: Andrea Canning, Brad Davis, Donald C. Murphy, Home invasion theory
  2. – 6:00: Larry Rudolph, Safari Story, Zambia
  3. – 9:00: Early onset dementia, Warrior Princess Academy, Warrior Princess Academy
  4. – 12:00: Self-defense, Warrior Princess Academy, Warrior Princess Academy
  5. – 15:00: Domestic Violence, Rhode Island, Waymart, Pennsylvania
  6. – 18:00: Harrison's Hunting, Safari Club International
  7. – 19:15: DLine Live, Nashville, Talking Dine

Notable quotes from "Talking Dateline: "The Intruder" | Dateline NBC"

  • Of the women at the center of the story who once ran an organization called the Warrior Princess Academy. And later, we'll share some more behindthe-scenes details about the…
    about Warrior Princess Academy · at
  • This story of a home invasion theory doesn't hold water for very long, does it?
    about Home invasion theory · at
  • She would be in a future dine, another case, and this was the episode called The Safari Story. and it was about the murder of a woman named Bianca in Zambia. So Betsy knew the…
    about Safari Story · at
  • Her memory, even before this happened, because Greg basically said she had dementia or early onset dementia, but there was no official diagnosis of that. That was partly his story, I think, to tell Betsy. I think she had.
    about Early onset dementia · at
  • Is a warrior princess academy? This business she was engaged in self-defense.
    about Self-defense · at
  • As far as I know that I think she's doing well. She lives in Rhode Island. I think she may be in like an independent living place like that's not too far from Wayne, her son, and her grandkids. So, I think.
    about Rhode Island · at
  • To federal prison records he's currently incarcerated at the United States Penitentiary Kanan located in Waymart, Pennsylvania.
    about Waymart, Pennsylvania · at
  • Interested from Betsy. The wedding was awesome. She's now Betsy Harrison of Harrison's Hunting. We've introduced more women into hunting. Our guiding business has tripled in…
    about Harrison's Hunting · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Donald C. Murphy — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Hi, I'm Dennis Murphy and I'm here with Andrea Canning and the producer of this episode, Brad Davis. This is Talking Dine. Hi guys, how are you?
  • Andrea Canning — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Hi, I'm Dennis Murphy and I'm here with Andrea Canning and the producer of this episode, Brad Davis. This is Talking Dine. Hi guys, how are you?
  • Brad Davis — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Hi, I'm Dennis Murphy and I'm here with Andrea Canning and the producer of this episode, Brad Davis. This is Talking Dine. Hi guys, how are you?
  • Larry Rudolph — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Bianca in Zambia. So Betsy knew the killer. Betsy knew Bianca's husband, Larry Rudolph. And she was in the same hunting circles as him. And in fact, Betsy told a story at one…

Books & papers

Companies & orgs

  • Warrior Princess Academy — Company · 3 mentions · first at
    Of the women at the center of the story who once ran an organization called the Warrior Princess Academy. And later, we'll share some more behindthe-scenes details about the…
  • Harrison's Hunting — Company · 1 mention · first at
  • Safari Club International — Company · 1 mention · first at
    More women into hunting. Our guiding business has tripled in size and back on the board of our Safari Club International chapter. My real estate business is better than ever.…
  • NBC News — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

  • Warrior Princess Academy — Product · 3 mentions · first at
  • Talking Dine — Product · 2 mentions · first at
    Hi, I'm Dennis Murphy and I'm here with Andrea Canning and the producer of this episode, Brad Davis. This is Talking Dine. Hi guys, how are you?
  • Peacock — Product · 1 mention · first at
    Listened to the episode yet, you can find it right below this podcast or watch it now on Peacock. When you come back, we'll share an extra clip from Andrea's interview with…
  • DLine Live — Product · 1 mention · first at
    Road. Join me and the whole DLine team in Nashville on Sunday, September 28th for Dline Live. It's a first of kind of event featuring captivating onstage panels, audience…

Concepts & topics

Places & events

  • Wisconsin — Place · 1 mention · first at
    The investigation, they got a phone call from this police chief out in Wisconsin who said, Hey, I think I heard that there was this shooting and you should know that this woman's husband is having an affair with my.
  • Zambia — Place · 1 mention · first at
    Episode called The Safari Story. and it was about the murder of a woman named Bianca in Zambia. So Betsy knew the killer. Betsy knew Bianca's husband, Larry Rudolph. And she…
  • Rhode Island — Place · 1 mention · first at
  • Waymart, Pennsylvania — Place · 1 mention · first at
  • Nashville — Place · 1 mention · first at
    And one more thing, we're hitting the road. Join me and the whole DLine team in Nashville on Sunday, September 28th for Dline Live. It's a first of kind of event featuring…
  • Maine — Place · 1 mention
  • United States Penitentiary, Canaan — Place · 1 mention

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Full transcript with timestamps

Hi, I'm Dennis Murphy and I'm here with Andrea Canning and the producer of this episode, Brad Davis. This is Talking Dine. Hi guys, how are you?

Good. Great. Hey Dennis. Hey Dennis. Hey Brad. Hey. Today's episode is called The Intruder and it's a case that begins with a violent home invasion and a woman named Rachel Owens. She's clinging to life after being shot multiple times at a friend's house in Maine. But what investigators uncovered was no random breakin. This crime was personal, calculated, and the person responsible was someone Rachel loved and trusted, her husband, Greg Owens. If you haven't listened to the episode yet, you can find it right below this podcast or watch it now on Peacock. When you come back, we'll share an extra clip from Andrea's interview with Betsy Wanke, one of the women at the center of the story who once ran an organization called the Warrior Princess Academy. And later, we'll share some more behindthe-scenes details about the episode and answer some of your questions from social media. And I've got a little bit of a

cold and I can hear my voice breaking. How are you guys? Look, I had to go to my thesaurus to find extra words to describe this guy Greg Owens. Narcissist, uh CAD

murderous, Andrea, who did this guy turn out to be for you? I mean, yeah, the fact that I mean, the the whole thing was crazy,

you I mean, he's he's got another woman in another state and he's not only planning the murder of his wife, but he's planning the murder at his wife's friend's house.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, so it looks like they the friends were the targets. I mean, the whole thing was it was wild.

This story of a home invasion theory doesn't hold water for very long, does it?

Yeah, it was it it seemed like it was is targeted from the beginning. they did. They just didn't know exactly what the circumstances were. And um

it really in in those early stages of the investigation, uh they got a phone call um from this police chief uh out in Wisconsin um who said, "Hey, I think um I I heard that there was this shooting and you should know that this um that this woman's husband is having an affair with my friend." You have two women and they don't realize at all that they are in a romantic love triangle,

right? Yes. Right. Yeah. Greg is happily married to the people in who know him, right, in his circles.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then he's got this relationship going with Betsy Wanke and she has absolutely no idea that he's married and has this other life and she's thinking she's met her prince charming. He was so perfect for her. She thought

he was really loveydovey, wasn't he, Andrea? I mean, it was kind of like cringe stuff, the stories they told

with Betsy. Yeah. Dancing on the deck and uh Yeah. I I think the pedicures that he would give Betsy pedicures in the bathtub, which was the detail that we all were sort of cringing at,

you know, or or Mr. Smoothie up in first class saying, "Hey, I happen to have your seat here for you."

Right. Right. That was Yeah, he really he really was, you know, so charming with her. And you know, poor Betsy walked right into, you know, this trap. I mean, having just no idea what was really happening,

you know, and it was a real relationship. I mean, they were together almost 10 years, so it wasn't sort of like a just a brief affair. Uh, she really thought that this was a meaningful, you know,

they were going to be together. And just to just to give you some background on Betsy, you know, Brad and I got to know Betsy. Um, you know, she she was a very lovely woman and we went out there and we interviewed her and we did the Princess Academy, you know, where she was showing some of her moves.

Um, and little did Betsy know at that time when we're shooting this dine that she would be in a future dine, another case, and this was the the episode called The Safari Story. Um, and it was about the murder of a woman named Bianca in Zambia. So Betsy knew the killer. Betsy knew Bianca's husband, Larry Rudolph. And she was in the same hunting circles as him. And in fact, Betsy told a story at one point of when Larry in the middle of the night tried to get Betsy to come to his hotel room.

Oh. And she was friends Betsy was friends with Bianca, you know. So Andrea, you can't tell me enough about Betsy. I think this is a fascinating character and it's a great interview. I got the feeling that even after everything was known, she still had a thing for this guy.

Do you do you think there was something there? I mean, I think it's just the idea of him, right? She had found this man that she finally felt felt was her forever man, you know, this man that shared all the same passions and that she connected with. So, it's hard to just turn that off. And it's would be very confusing, you know, to to know one man and then you find out there's this other side of him. I mean, I can't even imagine how like just how much that would mess with you. I'm actually texting her right now. So, if I'm looking down, it's because I'm texting Betsy. She she communicates with me like a lot.

So, I'm just asking her. I'm just telling her that we're talking about her on the podcast and just saying, you know, is there anything you want to say or what are you up to? So, we'll see what if I'm sure she'll respond. Andrea, you got two strong women at the heart of this thing. We talked a little bit about Betsy. Tell me about Rachel. When you met her, here was this woman who had this remarkable comeback from Death Store. Who did you who did she turn out to be for for you? I mean, I I see such a strong resolve.

Yeah. Survival skill. Really? I mean I mean just to go through such a nightmare scenario. First of all, you know, a home invasion is terrorizing, obviously, you know, and then to find out that it's your own husband who carried this out. I mean, it's incredible that she survived and Brad was the one who, you know, convinced Rachel to do the interview. And we weren't sure what to expect, you know, based on her injury. And, um, she was lovely. And I we both thought she did a really good job, right, Brad? like for what she'd been through.

Yeah. I mean, I I had seen her in court. I actually was at this the sentencing hearing. I saw her and I met her and spoke with her and her son who was great and um her son Wayne and but we were nervous about how she was going to be in an interview. There was question about her memory, you know, even before this happened, you know, because Greg basically said she had dementia or early onset dementia, but there was no official diagnosis of that. That was partly his story, I think, to tell Betsy. Um, you know, I think she had some memory issues, but then but then when this happened, I mean, she could not remember the incident itself. Like she could only vaguely remember a man she described in a um, you know, a Jamaican hat. That's like all she could really remember, which became an issue at trial because it was a little different from what the homeowner said.

The fact that that Rachel sat down and did the interview that she was she said yes. How many people would say no to that?

Yeah. And you know, of course, I'll pass. She she took she took the stand and faced down her husband and the person who shot her and

Yeah. Maybe that's what sealed the the the verdict. What do you think, Brad? I I think it was very powerful. I wasn't in court for her testimony, but I did see her testify the the the sentencing, and uh you know, she was very sort of down to earth, matterof fact about it, and and also has an amazing sense of humor. Um in in spite of what she told she told that wink story, right? I

she had a great sense of humor. I gave him a wink when I was on the stand. Yeah. Yeah. Um and and she at the end of our story, I think she says, you know, he's the loser,

you know, in the whole thing. It's just like Yeah. Well, he really is. He's in life. He's in prison for life. That's

Yeah. That's the definition of a loser. Did the two women at the heart of this thing ever meet? Did they meet at the courthouse?

No, they never met. I mean, they were they were there, you know, at the same time in the same building, but they they never met. And uh and that was why when we were doing this interview with Rachel, we were we were able to convey Bets's message to her,

which comes at the end of the interview. And Betsy was just like, you know, saying, "I'm I'm so sorry, and you were just, you know, I feel so horrible." And and and

and Rachel was really she was just like, "Well, wow, that's a really nice lady to be saying those things."

Yeah. When we come back, we'll hear a clip from Andrea's interview with Betsy Wonke. She shares what it was like to run the Warrior Princess Academy and how she helped others tap into a power they didn't know they had.

So, I can give you an update on Betsy. Um, which is a happy ending for her. She I'm looking at a picture of Betsy and her husband. Um they are both into, you know, cows and horses and all that and they um they got married in her dad's barn on May 24th. Um she actually invited me to the wedding.

Wow. Betsy, I'm so delighted your cowboy your cowboy boots. Um so yeah, she um she said it was going to be a western wedding and uh she found her her you know,

very cool. Maybe her real prince charming. So, what is a warrior princess academy? This business she was engaged in

self-defense. Yeah, she um she was helping women, you know, in in sort of self-defense training and and and I think in the clip we showed her sort of helping Andrea like with some tips about, you know, how to defend yourself, you know, if you're facing, you know, some sort of, you know, harassment or, you know, assault really. M

um she she really sort of prides herself as a you know as a strong you know assertive woman which is what makes this ironic and she's herself said you know I can't believe that I'm like the sort of person trying to teach other women how to face assault and then I get you caught up in this crazy drama

capital I ironic let's take a listen to some of your conversation with Betsy there is so much power in your body it's just how do we use it how do we harness it and that's what we're trying to do I I had a young woman. I was doing a training for men and women and I had this tiny little person. We were practicing kicks and punches and she was doing a kick and she wasn't giving it any effort at all. And she said, "Well, I don't want to hurt you." And I said, "You're good." She kicked so hard that she almost the glove the pads almost came off my hands. She was just this little powerhouse and and had

Doesn't matter your size. She didn't She never knew it. She was like, "Oh my god, I've never I've never been able to do that." I said, "Yeah, you could always do it. You just need to do it." So, and that's where the bags come in as well. Okay, I'm going to hold it now. I want you to punch it. I want you to punch here. And I want you to do it several times in a row as hard as you can. No, I want you to keep your momentum. Don't lean backwards. Lean forward. Okay.

Um, keep your knees bent. Um, and we're gonna go punch it. Yeah. Feel it. There's a lot of power there.

Yeah. You I think you have more power than you think. You do. You go. You go, Andrea. That was great.

There's a lot of power there. Oh, that's funny. That's funny. Do Do you like working the bag now?

Uh, I think that was like a one and done. But but definitely a good exercise for sure.

I was reminded of that great show and tell you did with a with a person in one of your stories years before where she showed you how to get out of being handcuffed.

Yeah, it was the duct tape. Yeah. Oh, duct tape. That's right. Yes. Yes. We I know we had tens of millions of views on that. But we we learned a bunch of different things about how to get out of, you know, a bad situation. But Betsy, you know, Betsy wants to help others, right? She she's she's a Betsy is was put in a bad situation, but she's a very strong woman.

Well, Andrea's brought us up to the minute on where Betsy is. What do we know about uh Rachel? How is she doing and her son?

Um, as far as I know that I think she's doing well. She lives um in Rhode Island. I think I think she may be in like an independent living uh place like that that's not too far from Wayne, her her son, and her grandkids. So, I think she gets to see them and and as far as I know, I think her her health is is okay despite, you know, the the bullet that's still lodged in her brain.

She still has a bullet lodged in the brain. Can you imagine? Yeah. Unbelievable.

Is there any deficit of her speech or movements or anything because of it? Uh, not when we interviewed her and I I I think it's just it just sort of sits there, but she I mean she's fully, you know, cognitive and everything. So, yeah.

Mhm. So, this guy wanted both women and that's where this horror all comes from.

Yeah. Where is he, Brad? Where is he being housed? Do you know? You know what? I I don't have it in the I I I don't know exactly where he is. Um I know he's he's in he's in for life. Um one thing I thought was interesting that I I pulled in from some of my notes, I had forgotten that he he was actually discharged from the military um prior to all this

um under sort of murky circumstances. He was he was accused of sexual harassment in the military in a sort of scandal there and was forced to resign and uh he you know denied all these allegations but that later came up and the at the trial as well. Um so his his uh his career was is a little tainted by more than more than just this

and left the courthouse scene with a rant. Huh. Yeah. I was there I was there for the sentencing and he was he he was very incoherent sort of a rant about you know the FBI is out to get me and you know I'm a military guy and I know all these secrets and

you know this is a conspiracy. So it was a it was you could really make heads or tails of what he was saying.

This is what it says right now. So he's serving the life sentence plus 20 years in federal prison. Um and he according to federal prison records he's currently incarcerated um at the United States Penitentiary Kanan located in Waymart, Pennsylvania.

Huh. And he had an appeal and his conviction and life sentence were upheld. Yeah. I feel sorry for the boy in this thing, the son.

I mean, you always feel so bad for the children that get, you know, caught up in these horrible domestic situations. I mean, you know, this this is at the hands of his dad and this is the ultimate domestic violence and this this son is caught in the middle of all of this and it's awful.

His dad shoots his mom. It's awful. But we see it time and time again where these the children are, you know, the other victims in this.

And he really looked up to his dad. I mean, he I think he he was I think in the military himself, but um uh Wayne and um you know, he he he really sort of admired his his dad as his role model and then turns out this happens. So,

um I also just got another text if we're interested from Betsy. The wedding was awesome. She's now Betsy Harrison of Harrison's Hunting. We've introduced more women into hunting. Our guiding business has tripled in size and back on the board of our Safari Club International chapter. My real estate business is better than ever. We are touring the West as we speak. It's beautiful. Definitely moving on. I miss you, too. But let's meet over a drink or coffee next time, okay? And let me know when the podcast will air.

There you go. In other social news from Andrea Cannon. Coming up, we'll answer a few of your questions from social media. You know, guys, as always, we hear from our viewers in these stories, and I'd like to read out some of the comments that came into our mailbag. Andrea, here's here's here's Mike H1990 saying,

"I love Rachel winking back at Greg. This is priceless." Talking about that moment in your interview,

that's where her humor comes in, right? Like, you know, the wink and the strength and like all of it, right? It's it's like, "Hey, man, who got the last laugh?" You know?

It was also sort of funny because Yeah. um in in in the uh in the hearing she um I'm sorry in the trial um Greg actually winked at Betsy and that was Greg trying to wink you know to wink to sort of like you know get her be on his side her his controlling move

and then Rachel's doing the reverse you know so it's sort of funny how they were each doing their own thing.

Yeah. And Andrea here's a character shout out for your friend Betsy. This is from Katie Human. Katie the human. Betsy is a queen. All in caps.

Yeah, Betsy is a queen. And and and I'll say Rachel's a queen, too. Both of them.

And guys, this is in the category of true weird romance at Deni writing. Greg's in prison and still begging Betsy to be together. Yikes. Is there still a thread connecting them?

Um, not that I'm aware of. I There's no communication. Yeah, Greg is behind bars. He's

That was a hard pass for Betsy on that one. Yeah, she's really over. Yeah. Yeah.

As much as he tried to manipulate her and call her and keep her in his, you know pocket.

Andrea Brad, hey, thanks for taking us down what's probably memory lane for you in dine stories, this was a very good one. I was I was compelled and tugged all the way through. And again, Andrea, I look for words to describe your perpetrator here. What a what a murderous scheme he got involved in.

Yeah. But that'll put a bow on talking dine for today. Thanks for listening and thanks to Andrea and Brad for joining us. If you have a case you want to cover or a question for the team, reach out anytime on social atine NBC or you can leave us a voice memo in a DM or call and leave a voicemail at 212413-5252. And one more thing, we're hitting the road. Join me and the whole DLine team in Nashville on Sunday, September 28th for Dline Live. It's a first of kind of event featuring captivating onstage panels, audience Q&As's, and a VIP reception. Tickets are now on sale at daynbc.com/event.

And you can also find a link in the description of this episode. We hope to see you there and see you on Fridays on Dayline on NBC.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Talking Dateline: "The Intruder" | Dateline NBC"?

Dennis Murphy (Guest), Andrea Canning (Host), Brad Davis (Host), Betsy Wanke (Guest), Rachel Owens (Guest).

What is discussed in "Talking Dateline: "The Intruder" | Dateline NBC"?

In order: 0:00 Andrea Canning, Brad Davis, Donald C. Murphy, Home invasion theory; 3:00 Larry Rudolph, Safari Story, Zambia; 6:00 Early onset dementia, Warrior Princess Academy, Warrior Princess Academy; 9:00 Self-defense, Warrior Princess Academy, Warrior Princess Academy; 12:00 Domestic Violence, Rhode Island, Waymart, Pennsylvania; 15:00 Harrison's Hunting, Safari Club International; 18:00 DLine Live, Nashville, Talking Dine.

What is mentioned in this Dateline NBC episode?

29 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Warrior Princess Academy, Warrior Princess Academy, Talking Dine, Donald C. Murphy, Andrea Canning, Brad Davis. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Talking Dateline: "The Intruder" | Dateline NBC"?

The episode runs 19 min; the transcript is about 3,680 words in 75 timestamped sections.

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