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RFK Defends His Position On Israel | Part Of The Problem 1088

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "RFK Defends His Position On Israel | Part Of The Problem 1088", an episode of Dave Smith published February 3, 2024 (1 h 26 min, about 14,266 words). It mentions 28 people, works and ideas, including Israel, BB Netanyahu, Ukraine, Jalani Hussein, Libertarian Party.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Israel, BB Netanyahu, Libertarian Party, Dave Smith
  2. – 20:00: Israel, Survival Gear BSO, BB Netanyahu, Russia
  3. – 30:00: Israel, Hezbollah, Houthis, Ukraine
  4. – 40:00: Israel, Sheath Underwear, League of Nations
  5. – 50:00: Israel, BB Netanyahu, Ukraine
  6. – 1:00:00: Israel, Camp David Accords
  7. – 1:10:00: Israel, BB Netanyahu
  8. – 1:20:00: Israel, BB Netanyahu, Thomas Jefferson, Ukraine
  9. – 1:25:33: Jalani Hussein, BB Netanyahu, Israel

Notable quotes from "RFK Defends His Position On Israel | Part Of The Problem 1088"

  • In American presidential politics of I mean and I say this as a member of the libertarian party who I wish we were always offering up a you know a true Contender but the…
    about Libertarian Party · at
  • I am however deeply disappointed and frankly kind of dumbfounded by your position on Israel's war in Gaza and I now I tweeted something to this effect and you reached out to me…
    about Israel · at
  • Encourage people to do that it's a democracy and you know I'm not a fan of BB netanyahu's I'm a long-term critic of his I think what happens in the mid East is and everywhere…
    about BB Netanyahu · at
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    about Survival Gear BSO · at
  • Anymore although what you've already seen right now from the houthis from Hezbollah from Iran from everybody in this region you're seeing Oh and of course Shiite controlled…
    about Hezbollah · at
  • Right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is sheath underwear the underwear of Legends and as one of those Legends I'd love to tell you about…
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  • Advised Jefferson they're like just Pam but Jefferson had his principles and he's Thomas Jefferson so he's like no man has a right to extort money from me so buil the Navy he…
    about Thomas Jefferson · at
  • That America is a great country and that America is a way better place to live than Saddam Hussein's Iraq that doesn't mean what we did to Iraq was okay and that doesn't mean…
    about Jalani Hussein · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • BB Netanyahu — Person · 8 mentions · first at
  • Jalani Hussein — Person · 4 mentions · first at
  • Thomas Jefferson — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • Dave Smith — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Big you're listening to part of the problem on the gas digital Network here's your host Dave Smith hey everybody welcome back to a brand new episode of part of the problem I am…
  • Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Episode of part of the problem I am so grateful today to have returning to the show Robert F Kennedy Jr of course he's been on the show before it's been a little while for…
  • John Quincy Adams — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Transition I'll tell you something because you know you and I often quote John Quincy Adams his urging that we go not abroad and search of monsters to destroy so all of the…
  • Mahmoud Abbas — Person · 1 mention
  • Ross Perot — Person · 1 mention
  • Yasser Arafat — Person · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

  • Libertarian Party — Company · 2 mentions · first at
  • Houthis — Company · 2 mentions · first at
    As a direct result of this conflict we have Biden launching bombing campaigns against the houthis we've had three Americans who were just killed in Jordan and the big topic on…
  • Hezbollah — Company · 2 mentions · first at
  • Gas Digital Network — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Government being way too big you're listening to part of the problem on the gas digital Network here's your host Dave Smith hey everybody welcome back to a brand new episode of part of the problem I am so grateful today to have returning to.
  • United Nations — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Like what happened throughout 1947 and 1948 look the UN partition the general assembly in the United Nations had no authority to create Nations they put a recommendation a…
  • League of Nations — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Consequen the Ottoman Empire cease to exist the Bal for DEC declaration and the League of Nations said okay here's what we should do with the Ottoman Empire we should give it…
  • Hamas — Company · 1 mention
  • Isis — Company · 1 mention
  • Quinnipiac University Poll — Company · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

  • Camp David Accords — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    They tried to give it back to Egypt then in 1973 Egypt they signed the Camp David Accords and Egypt and Israel again said you can have Gaza we'll give it to you and Egypt said no we'll take the Sinai we won't we don't want Gaza it's.
  • Barbary Wars — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

  • Israel — Place · 69 mentions · first at
  • Ukraine — Place · 5 mentions · first at
    Show about that and your opposition to funding the proxy war in Ukraine in this insane proxy war of choice on Russia's border and especially just your deep knowledge of the history and what actually led to this conflict was just nothing.
  • Russia — Place · 2 mentions · first at
    Opposition to funding the proxy war in Ukraine in this insane proxy war of choice on Russia's border and especially just your deep knowledge of the history and what actually…
  • Antarctic — Place · 1 mention · first at
    Neutral areas have enough Strike Force to protect neutral areas like the Antarctic and to protect the sea lanes and to have strike Force for really bad behavior in two theaters…
  • Gaza — Place · 1 mention
  • Iran — Place · 1 mention

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Full transcript with timestamps

fill her up you're listening to the gas digital Network we need to roll back the state we spy on all of our own citizens our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders if you want to know who America's Next enemy is look at who we're funding right now every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big you're listening to part of the problem on the gas digital Network here's your host Dave Smith hey everybody welcome back to a brand new episode of part of the problem I am uh so grateful today to have returning to the show Robert F Kennedy Jr of course uh he he's been on the show before it's been a little while for everybody listening I'm sure everybody knows um he is a candidate for president of the United States of America an independent candidate and the first viable uh Third Party candidate since Ross perau I was would say so probably the second one in

my lifetime who is outside of the two major parties and actually has a chance to be the next president of the United States so Mr Kennedy thank you so much for joining us again how are you how's the campaign Trail going D thank you it's going well I mean I you know crowds are getting bigger and bigger and more intense the polling is good I'm now leading uh President Biden and president Trump in Americans under 45 years age in the six Battleground States and then under 35 all across the country uh I'm leading in Independence which is the biggest uh this the first election in American history where uh where Independence is the biggest voting block and um and then I'm we're in a three-way tie with Hispanic votes I'm pulling at 24% and I think it was the Quinn ofak poll which puts me only 10 points from Victory because all I need is 34 theoretically uh to win the election because it's winner take off

yeah right well it it changes things drastically when there's three viable candidates rather than two which is something we're very not used to seeing in American presidential politics of I mean and I say this as a member of the libertarian party who I I wish we were always offering up a a you know a true Contender but the reality of the situation is is that just hasn't been the landscape in American politics as I mentioned really Ross perau in 1992 I think was the last one and in my lifetime I think the only one yeah and then why I heard that you were gonna be the candidate for the libertarian party which would have been very excited I'm glad I'm not running against you that would be very formid you'd be the most formidable opponent I have but uh what happened well well thank you sir I appreciate that yes there there were I was considering it for a period of time there were a lot of people in the libertarian party who

wanted me to run ultimately it just came down to kind of uh family decisions I have two very little kids and it just seemed like a little bit too much for me to to take on right now um we went through a lot of things my my son had some serious health problems um all better now he's doing great but it was just a little bit a little bit too much of an undertaking for me in 2024 but maybe maybe in 2028 we'll we'll go head-to-head would you consider the vice presidency oh man what are you trying to do to me you're going to offer me a vice presidency on a Kennedy ticket that's dangerous I might end up being president or something like that I've uh actually that'd probably it'd probably be good insurance for you because I'm no LBJ I don't think they want to get you out of the way exactly why I want you so that's it you want me as your life insurance program okay all right you know what well Play version of

myself that nobody's gonna want yeah okay well there there you go okay so I'll you know what I might in in that case I might consider it but you got to give me something like my my task has has to be something very simple that I don't have to leave home from or home for or something like that um so I don't know or I could be listen where here's where we agree I'll I'll be in charge of your Ukrainian policy so I'll I'll take that role good all right so all right well I wanna first off I really want to say that I really appreciate you coming on and I appreciate you coming on the first time but even more so this time um so as you know and everybody who who listens to to this show knows I was um extreme interested in in your campaign um there there was a while there where I swear people listening to the show know almost every other episode of this show it could have been called the defending

Bobby Kennedy podcast because it was almost like every week there'd be a new attack on you in in the media and you know my producer and my co-host would be emailing what are we going to talk about today and I'd be like well they're lying about Bobby again so let's let's do a show about that and your um your your opposition to to uh funding the proxy war in Ukraine uh in this insane proxy war of choice on Russia's border um and and especially just your deep knowledge of the history and what actually led to this conflict uh uh was just nothing short of heroic your criticism of the covid regime and the covid vaccine and the pharmaceutical industrial complex and the Deep State and the neoconservative war machine all all of them I I find be nothing short of heroic I I am however deeply disappointed and and frankly kind of dumbfounded by your position on Israel's war in Gaza and I now I tweeted something to this effect

and uh you reached out to me immediately afterward and said you'd like to come on the show and and discuss it so that I I have nothing but respect for I think that's a truly Noble um response and so I'm grateful that you you've come on here uh let's talk about this a little bit and and maybe I can understand where you're coming from better um maybe there's something that I'm missing let me start by asking you this we are now as a direct result of of this conflict we have Biden launching bombing campaigns against the houthis we've had three Americans who were just killed in Jordan and the big topic on discussion right now is how Biden is going to respond of course all of the Hawks which still permeate our political class are all calling for war in Iran um what do you have you changed your position at all on this does the threat of a wider War uh give you pause on kind of the blank check support for Israel's war in

Gaza or are you still steadfast in we must support them till the end no I mean you know let me let me give some context first of all you know I am uh I am I think people who that Crim of Israel is fair and I encourage people to do that it's a democracy and you know I'm not a fan of of BB netanyahu's I'm a long-term critic of his I think what happens in the mid East is and everywhere is that the zealots on both sides and militarists on both sides feed on each other and that they have a symbiotic relationship with each other and that everything they do to uh to escalate the the violence and the hatred actually empowers their uh their uh partner on the other side and I think Netanyahu uh is in this very perverse partnership with Hamas uh I'm a opponent of the leud I was uh a vocal uh protester against the so-called judicial reforms in Israel last summer 20% of the people in Israel you know came out onto

the street one of the biggest demonstrations in the history of that Nation it has the the best Judiciary the most Humane Judiciary in the world you know I'm a lawyer and a constitutional lawyer and uh I know there is no Judiciary in the world that has taken the positions that the courageous positions that Israel's Supreme Court by the way there are Palestinians on that court and as there are Palestinians at every level of the of the Israeli Judiciary um I oppose the settlements in the West Bank uh they're illegal under Israeli law and they're illegal under international law and um and I and I'm opposed to Wars I'm not you know I think there are just Wars very few of the wars that we have fought particularly in the last century been just I would say World War II is alone in that category I you know my grandfather vigorously opposed World War I and was and lost a lot of his friendships during that period and my

uncle John Kennedy felt the same way we should have never gotten involved in that war and I feel the same way that that was a war of choice um I World War II was not it was a just war in my view we were attacked at Pearl Harbor and we responded by declaring war on the Japanese and their allies in the Axis power and Hitler was a a disease and Nazism that had to be eradicated and and there would be no no peace in uh in the world until Germany was densified in fact at Casablanca Roosevelt and Churchill had a big fight about it because Roosevelt had made the announcement during kapanka without checking with Churchill demanding an unconditional surrender which meant the notification and the you know and the elimination of Hitler and Churchill got furious at him because he said that's going to cause every German to fight until the last man and Roosevelt said there will never be any peace until that until we

densify and that objective caused two million German civilians their lives so we killed two million German civilians in order to destroy Hitler and densify the government and as a result of that we did the same thing in Japan we had mass destruction of civilians including you know bombs atomic bombs on their cities which you can argue a lot of people argue we should not have done and I think that those arguments have a lot of Merit but the fact is we we did it and as a result of that of of demilitarizing Japan and densifying Germany those competent countries became the two of the richest countries in the world EUR Germany is the richest country and most powerful country Europe and Japan until the rise of China was by far the wealthiest country and Asia on both of them were very very close uh uh allies the United States they shared our values they were friends to a long they've been long-term friends

with to us but it required at the outset that we um you know that we make that profound sacrifice which included the you know the bu of millions of people who are innocent oh I see Gaza in the same way Dave I I I'm Pro Palestinian I want the best for the Palestinian people I believe in a two-state solution with which Netanyahu does not I believe that the Palestinians you know I have great friendships among the Palestinians and and by the way I'll say this a Palestinian LED guilty to the murder my father MH and there was a lot of evidence that he had killed my father he was certainly part of the Ambush that killed my father and then in 19 that was in 1968 and my family wrote a letter to judge Walker at that time pleading with the judge not to give Zan the death penalty even though everybody in my family believed that he had killed my father and I and then in 1971 my Elder brother Joe who's older by

Than Me by one year um was hijacked by Palestinian terrorists and who demanded the release of Siran and his plane was uh bought to was landed in the desert in Yan and then blown up and burned and luckily my brother was released but you know I have plenty of reason if I wanted to to hold a grudge against Palestinians but for the last 10 years I've worked hard hard and soul to get C and San out of prison for two reasons one I believe that he served more time than he was sentenced to and that he uh you know he served the the parole board let's put this way the parole board has said that he should be released and he POS no threat and the other is you know the evidence that I found that um uh had the bullets that he fired although he did fire bullets of my father those were not the ones that killed me oh you know I Believe In Justice for whoever it is and I've worked you know I've been to rala I've been to the West

Bank I have friends in Gaza I've met with the Palestinian Authority leadership I've met with Palestinians all over in fact one of my groups a Jordan rivere keeper it was the only group in Israel that had Palestinians on its board uh jordanians and Israeli Jews oh you know I understand the issues that affect the Palestinians I want them to live lives of Happiness Prosperity dignity and freedom and sovereignty um I do not believe that that can happen as long as Hamas is in charge and I believe Hamas is very much akin to the Nazi problem that until they are ertic iated that uh Palestinians will not have a chance to live in the kind of prosperity that they deserve and that over the long term people have to understand that this was the fifth attack so every every previous attack was ended with a ceasefire and every one of those ceasefires amas used to rearm to regroup to re hoist its banner and then to

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problem 20 for 20% off your entire order all right let's get back into the show okay well let let me respond to to some of this because I I I think that look the examples of Germany and Japan where quite quite frankly what we did was indiscriminately slaughter their civilian population in World War II the biggest blood bath in human history it is absolutely true that after that was done we pulled them back into the the global World Order into the liberal World Order um and that listen despite we could get off we could spend three hours talking about World War II but I will say okay that is quite an accomplishment it's also the accomplishment that almost every Hawke and every neocon looks to as an example for why this is going to work and why we can go overthrow this government why we can go start a war here that believe as we all know and you yourself know as well as anyone this was used over and

over again for the justification of the war in Iraq and of course back then Saddam was Hitler momar Gaddafi was Hitler Bashar al- Assad was Hitler I I got to say the comparison between hold on let me let me just finish all those Wars I know you did which is why I'm so dumbfounded about your position on this one to compare the Nazi problem to the Hamas problem the Nazis ruled from France to Poland they had almost all of Europe taken over and were then going after England and and Russia Hamas doesn't even rule Gaza they're the toughest gang in an Israeli prison so to to compare these two as if there there's any I I I mean I just don't there there the anywhere near the same threat to the Civilized world is just the the comparison Falls immediately and and on top of that you know if you want to say that well we want the Palestinians to live these great lives and the reason they can't do that is because of Hamas

well well that certainly doesn't seem to be the reason in the West Bank and the the the Palestinians have since 1967 lived under totalitarianism and it's just totally inexcusable there's there's just no justification for it Israel won a War in 1967 they would I'm glad you admitted that the settlements are illegal under international law it's also illegal under international law to gain territory through War Israel gained the West Bank and Gaza through War they have no absolutely no legal claim on these territories and and no moral claim on these territories for that matter either there there's just there's nothing there and they've held them since 1967 now yes it is true that the resistance movements against them have taken some ugly forms and Hamas who of course as you also know well has been supported and propped up by Israel throughout the years um they've grown into a an very ugly terrorist group and

what they did on October 7th was horrible but the obvious answer here is that we need to and certainly the an American president's perspective should be that we need to be encouraging the peace process here I mean you talk about we we have to eradicate Hamas okay so us officials as of right now they estimate that about 20% of Hamas has been eradicated right now 50% of the homes in Gaza have been destroyed so what are we going to do destroy all of them do do we honestly think I mean this is it's it's almost like you're doing Insurgent math here like General mccristal warned against so what do you think we'll just destroy all of Gaza and then we won't have to deal with this Hamas problem anymore although what you've already seen right now from the houthis from Hezbollah from Iran from from uh everybody in this region you're seeing Oh and of course Shiite controlled Iraq thank you George W bush and Shiite

controlled Syria um you know that we're you're only going to drum up more hatred I think this is the worst move for the security of the Israeli people of any of the available options okay so all of those arguments sound good so let me deconstruct them um first of all I was not comparing uh the Hamas uh the threat of Hamas as a global threat to the Nazis that's not where they're similar where they're similar is that it's an ideology driven conflict that's not Territorial and has no negotiating position it's a it's a it's a group that has committed to the genocide of all Jews not only in Israel but all over the world and that is uh committed to the annihilation of Israel and and that has in its Covenant uh the a Prohibition against a against even negotiating with Israel except as a ruse so they their Covenant says that a violation it's a sin against Islamic law to even negotiate with Israel so I

you know I mean the the big question I have that I would have for you but and I'll ask it at the end is how what is your path to peace is it you know the people are who are demanding a temporary a SE an unconditional ceasefire are leaving the hostages there they're leaving H Hamas is firing hundreds of missiles a day onto Tel Aviv people say that Gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the world that's not true Tel Aviv has twice the population density and they're firing hundreds of missiles a day how is Israel supposed to stop that they fired 30,000 missiles between two 2006 and October 7th and they fired 10,500 since October 7th what other nation in the world would put up with that with a neighbor firing missiles onto their civilian population after declaring that they intend to annihilate the nation and to kill all of its citizens now um you said that you made a statement that is absolutely

incorrect which is that you cannot CLA that under international law um it's illegal to claim territory and you want an award to acquire territory through War if you are fighting a defensive War it is absolutely legal and there are I can name you a 100 presidents to take land that was used to launch a war against you and that is strategically important to your country after Germany after Germans attacked us do you think we broke up Germany yes we did we removed the sudent land we gave it to Czechoslovakia we broke up the entire Ottoman Empire which was our when we took all the 100% of their territory away and we gave it the people we invented on you're talking about interational law after World War I we we created 22 new nations after World War II we created 122 yes but as you but as you know sir cutting up territory slicing and dicing and we did that because international law allows particularly when you're fighting a

defensive War to claim strategic land that was used against you okay let me just let me okay let me just respond to a couple things there because as you know sir if you're talking about World War I well this is before all of these International laws were put into effect which were a a response to World War II so that is a about after World War II yes yes but I'm just saying as far as the portion of World War I goes there's that but number two is your claim that the 1967 war was a defensive war and therefore it's okay because look 1967 war yes well then I would say yeah the 1967 war was a defensive War because Israel made clear and and Egypt understood this at closing the stades was an existential threat to Israel okay well monum Bean himself said that it was a war of choice and that we did not know for sure that the war was necessary we chose to launch that war now he goes on to defend it of course because manin

beum is a terrorist and he's fine with that and by the way I don't say that as a portive term the guy was literally a self-described terrorist who committed many acts of terrorism um but I'm sorry pre-creation of Israel not just the postc creation of Israel um and he's the founder of the lud party um uh but even like the the hard most hardcore zionists like Ben Shapiro or Dennis Prager all they all refer to it as a preemptive war look I don't even necessarily care preemptive it was preemptive because Egypt announced that it was going to close the Straits and and Israel knew that if they did that and they didn't attack Egypt's Air Force while it was still on the ground that Israel would be destroyed so they made a a choice against an existential Threat by let's by the way I by the way put this in context of the 48 War they refused to sign it all of these eight Nations refused to sign a peace

agreement after 48 War recognizing Israel's existence so that that war essentially was continuing and it continued again there was another preemptive War by the Arabs alone surprise war in 1973 but what's the other side of that story each one of those Wars after each one Israel offered to return all of the lands that it had taken in exchange for peace and the Arabs refused consistently until 1978 when Egypt finally and Jordan said Egypt first then Jordan four years later said okay we will trade land for peace and they did it but the Palestinians have never done that well okay offered it again and again they've been offered the pr67 borders in 2001 by aood Barack and by Omar in 2008 they were the return of all their land in exchange for peace and and mmud abas refused to utter the words that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish Nation he would not say those words and in 2001 yzer Arafat walked away from what

you know Prince bandar called heart making concessions and you listen you're shaking your head because you have a different view of history but here here's the thing is if you read the article that bemi did this week and Newsweek was the leading human rights activist in the West Bank his Chronicle of history is identical to what I just told you so and he is an Arab Palestinian lover and activist and and you know you you can say well I have a different you know history and you and I can go back on forth forth on our our different recounts of history for the next 10 hours it's not going to get anywhere so all I'd say to you is respect that my view of history is what I believe from extensive investigation that I believe is objective I read both sides but I'm sorry but I it's not no but it's you believe that your you know your Rec your recounting of of those you know peace agreements and why they fell apart I can

show you chapter and verse about that supports my position on it and you can show me you know quotes from my Mon and bean that disag this is like but this is but but sir this is almost like if somebody was saying that um you know because as as we discussed last time we were on the podcast the whole history of the runup to this this war in Ukraine and if somebody is just saying like no none of that's true NATO never encroached on Vladimir Putin they were never talking about bringing Ukraine into into NATO it was just that Vladimir Putin wants to reconstruct the Soviet Union and they can say well I have my history and you have yours but I'm sorry there's like no this there's an objective reality to this I'm well look I'll just go through a little bit and and just very quickly to some of the stuff that you just said right there right so there is obviously I and I don't know why I I see this a

lot look I'm not against giving the pro-israeli side of this also um but it just seems like we're whenever I hear you talk about this you're ignoring the whole other half of it like just talking about how in 1948 these other Arab Nations wouldn't agree to recognize Israel it's like yeah but why is that like what happened throughout 1947 and 1948 look the UN partition the general assembly in the United Nations had no authority to create Nations they put a recommendation a partition recommendation where that gave the the zionists 56% of the land and the Palestinian 44% of the land and this was by no argument Fair there is nobody who could possibly argue that either the Jewish population or the Jewish percentage of land owned Justified them getting 56% of the the land but the Jews immediately started violently evicting Palestinians out of their side of the of the partition and okay where in 1948

when the other Arab Nations finally invaded almost none of the fighting was done on the Jewish side of the partition it was almost all done on the Palestinian side of that partition because the zionists had already moved well beyond what the UN gave them and then after that they took about 78% of the land and then after 67 they essentially took the rest now your point about Camp David Camp David one that is when you're talking about Camp David in the late 1970s I understand this is what all and believe me I'm Jewish I've grown up around this I'm so well-versed in the pro-israel point of view here but it's funny that people always gol Israel was happy to give land for peace and okay that's one way to look at it another way to look at it is that they got peace they've had peace with Egypt and Jordan ever since and so now now to your your later point about the idea that the Palestinians have had all of these

offers and they always turn it down I I know it makes for a great slogan like you know they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity or we have no partner for peace or a people without land for a land without people the problem is all of these slogans are lies they're not true and I would highly recommend uh to everybody listening and to you sir personally because I know you are a reader and you actually know this stuff read Clayton Swisher's book The Truth About Camp David this guy went around and spent three years interviewing everyone everyone who was a part of those negotiations and the official story that Arafat just walked away and he had such a good offer but he wouldn't take it is not true and all of the players involved admit this all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is sheath underwear the underwear of Legends and as one of those Legends I'd

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look believe me I'm Jewish I wish the Israeli side of this was just as true as it is so I could just take that position and I wouldn't have to have all the personal heartaches that I have the same way everything you've gone through with the positions you've taken that have been very difficult personally and like within family believe me that's where I am with this position between Israel and Palestine but but the reality is that even if you were right even if you were right and they offered him everything even though that doesn't sound right that they offered him everything and they kept turning it down that offer it's not Israel's to give what what right does Israel have to decide whether the Palestinians get their own state or not it's it's not their decision to make they have no claim on this land the partition Plan gave them 56% of the land they they fought a war and they took 80% of the land and then in ' 67 they took

100% of it there is no argument legal or moral that Gaza or the West Bank belong to Israel they shouldn't have to offer them a state of their own they have no right to deny them one okay let me just ask you before I I respond to that let me ask you something would would you be okay um if uh if uh if Israel didn't exist as a Jewish State well I I mean I don't know exactly know what what you mean by that like what do you if if if if if Hamas overran Israel which it says it wants to do and returned it to Palestinian control is that an outcome that would be acceptable to you no and and specifically what would happen to the Jewish people way do you think Israel has a right to exist is a Jewish State yes okay I mean clarify that would you consider it would you consider it a very very bad outcome if Israel ceased to exist as a Jewish State well hold on but the problem the reason why it's tough to

answer that question is because let's say that they decided we're going to make um all of like a one-state solution it's not a Jewish State anymore but it would say a limited constitutional republic where everyone's rights are protected that I wouldn't have a problem with so if it just didn't call itself a Jewish State anymore that I don't really care about if you're saying if all of the people of Israel were either murdered or forced to leave yes of course I'd have a problem with that in the same way that I I can recognize what but but you I mean are you do you support the existence of Israel as a Jewish State um I think that I'm that's fine I I think that it's worth recognizing in the same way that we would probably recognize that it was was not legitimate or just or moral what we did to the Native Americans to create our country however it happened it's many generations ago people have built a

life there for themselves and we're not about to give the the land back to the Native Americans but we should make damn sure that any Native Americans that are still here have their natural rights protected so that's all I'm saying I'm not saying we're not going back aren't the aren't Jews actually the indigenous people of of uh of Palestine I think they were there 2700 years continuously yeah but no prototypical indigenous people I listen I've represented American Indians 35 years in treaty negotiations and litigation to restore their rights to um to traditional lands and I would say that is that the Jews are the prototypical indigenous group they've occupied the same same land for 2700 years the same language the same religion the same culture the same Customs don't they have a right to a Jewish State first of all that's not true the Hebrew was not Hebrew was not spoken by any of the original zionists

they retaught themselves Hebrew because they wanted to go back these were European settlers and no the idea that you can just go back to Ireland tomorrow Bobby and kick someone out of their home and say hey I'm the true Irishman who was here before of you it's ridiculous to say you have some 2000 Old Supernatural property right you believe Palestinians should be able to walk across the border and reclaim their land in I never said that I never said that I said they get their land Gaza and the West Bank is theirs I'm not saying they can go back and reclaim Tel Aviv I'm saying that Gaza and the West Bank is theirs okay I I just want to know where we disagree I think we agree on a lot of I mean I listen David I think you and I agree on principles that the the the issues here are you know are really these clashing for narratives of history and what I would say to you you know and I've looked at this as an

attorney like I look at everything I break it down in facts and so let me let me say a couple of things in response first of all the the the birth certificate for Israel is as good as any nation in the world it it you know the the pedigree it was it was voted on by the United by the league of nation first of all nobody you know the Ottoman Empire lost a war when you lose a war there are consequen the Ottoman Empire cease to exist the the Bal for DEC declaration and the League of Nations said okay here's what we should do with the Ottoman Empire we should give it to its indigenous people to rule carve it up and give each indigenous group their own land to rule so then the Empire is no longer ruling it Britain was given the Palestinian mandate to partition now there are two races in Palestine and one of them is Jewish and one of them is Arab there's actually Christians too and the Christians were given their own

country which is Lebanon so that was carved out and all you know of uh of the you know of the Ottoman M mandate palet Le Lebanon was given out given to je to Christians Jordan which was four fifths of Palestine four fifths was given to the Palestinians and the hashimites as a Islamic State as of officially Muslim State Israel was created from a tiny tiny sliver as a officially Jewish State Israel by the way there are 27 states in the region that all have official religions there's 41 countries in the world that have official religions there are are B Muslim countries there are Buddhist countries there are Hindu countries there are Christian countries officially and those countries all have rules that are that diminish the rights of minority religions Israel is one of 28 nations in the midd east 27 of those Nations have an official religion Israel is the only country that doesn't yeah Israel is a

Western Country and you're talking about third world countries sureal freed of religion now these just seem like talking points I'm not I'm not arguing any of that well no because you're saying the the the state of Israel You're questioning its existence and nobody does that no Bobby I feel like listen I feel like you're prepared to argue with somebody else and this is not what I'm saying what I'm you did no you dragged us into this David come on no I didn't say I don't say I don't have an issue with them being you made this you made this foundational assertion which is that Israel's birth was illegitimate no no that's not what I said what I said was that Israel's birth involved forcibly kicking people out of their homes by the hundreds of thousands that's not that's not it's a historical fact hey David Pakistan was born the same year I grant I grant you I'm not even making that okay four million

people moved from Pakistan four million people that moved from India oh you know and that Greece and Turkey the same thing happened czechoslovak it's the way of the world it's horrible but it's the way of the world but listen and by the way in in November of this year 176,000 Afghans were expelled from from Pakistan nobody didn't make a ripple they were legally there and they were just suddenly expelled that's horrible but I'm not defending that in September um aeran emptied the Armenian state of artach to 120,000 people no they not a ripple in the nose the only time people you know and by the way they during 1948 when 750,000 people left pal Palestinians left Israel why did they leave they left many of them because they were many of them left because they were uh they had their Villages ransacked and people were slaughtered and they were forced marched out and then many others left because

they had heard the rumors of what was going on in these other Villages and then some of them left just because a war was breaking out and they wanted to flee and return to their homes later but do you deny that there was huge numbers of them who were violently evicted I think a small number of them were small okay let me let me just let me give you my let me give you my reasoning for that okay there were there there no there are no recordings there's no good historical record of any systematic um effort by Israeli officials to expel Arabs from their land yeah but there's records of all of the Jewish militias doing it this is this is the PNY Johnson cop app there's no official like director by the way this is also what Holocaust deniers say about the Holocaust you can't find the official order allor let me finish sure there were on there were certain Villages like loads which were emptied

by Hagan which is as you point out a paramilitary group most of the best his historical records indicate that most of the Arabs left Israel because they were told to by the Arab League Nations now because the Arab League Nations which were invited by the Palestinians to come in invade and kill all the Jews wanted to get the so they could commit a genocide now look this is a quote from the uh foreign minister at that time khed Al Adam of Syria who was part of those Nations since 1948 he says we have been demanding the return of the refugees while it is we who made them leave we brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them pleading with them to leave their lands we ordered their departure we have accustomed them now to begging we have participated in lower their moral and social level then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder arson throwing bombs upon men women and

children all this in service to iCal purpose this is M mmud abas okay who is the current prime minister of the Palestinian Authority he accused the Arab armies of having abandoned the Palestinians after they quote forced them to immigrate to leave their Homeland and and to throw them into prisons and slums to which in which similar those in which the Jews used to live I can show you hundreds of Arab newspapers ordering the people of pal in to leave so that the Jews could be exterminated now many Palestinians did not the ones that did not became citizens of Israel the ones who left are not citizens of Israel there are Arab countries around Israel that provoke them to leave which are 600 times the area of Israel at the same time those eight Arab Nations expelled a million Jews million right they ethnically cleansed their populations and that's horrible right those Jews were taken in to this

tiny little Nation Israel took them all in yeah of course because they want their Jewish superity the Arab Nations who were dealing with their Refugee crisis of their creating refused to take in the Palestinians so why are we blaming Israel well I don't know it seems like and I don't exactly get this it seems like you're quite comfortable to say it's horrible when Jews were expelled from Arab Nations but somehow it's not horrible when Jews expel the Arabs and you can say it's all because other hey David listen thing bad things happen in war everything's hard yeah but why is it always an excuse why isn't it always an excuse fine bad things happen in war why do we have to support it why does America have to pay for it can I get can I get one presidential candidate who doesn't want to support a foreign war can I get one presidential candidate who will say six months without War David you already said that you don't believe

that those Palestinians or their offspring have a right to return you just said that to me so I no I didn't say I didn't say that I think I it would be nice if if some of them were allowed to but I don't think that's really what the battle's over I think what the Battle Is Over is the occupation since 1967 the blockade of Gaza since 2006 and I think what the what the battle is really over right now is what Israel is doing to Gaza abs abolutely leveling the place and all the while bragging about how they want to um um okay I don't know they want to move the population well Netanyahu is going and I know you can say you're a Critic of Netanyahu but you support Israel but at the same time it's like the guy is the longest serving prime minister and the current prime minister of the country so if you're supporting the country you kind of are supporting at least to some degree what he's doing right now and it is

unconscionable it it is the the worst humanitarian catastroph in the world right now and the idea that you who are supposed to be the anti- neocon anti-war presidential candidate are immediately on October 7th before we even had an investigation before we even knew what happened there you immediately say well basically you said everything they say about Ukraine you said it was an unprovoked attack which like come on give me a break an attack from Gaza against Israel is unprovoked and then you said we have to support them in whatever it takes well look sir we're watching it right now this is whatever it takes just women and children dying under Rubble every day you can't go on social media without seeing another video of some baby dying this is what we are after the last 20 years of disastrous Wars we got to support the next one I I mean sir this is this is like a Biblical level of evil and and

why why should we as Americans but have to fund this why should we have to give them a blank check I'm sorry it's been long a lot of different issues and can I Now respond sure yeah sure okay first of all the idea that Israel created the deprivation in Gaza is is nonsense Israel left Gaza in 2006 it doesn't occupy Gaza there is no occupation it left them and said you know and it removed all the settlers so when Israel you know wants to make peace it has shown its willingness to remove all the settlers and even remove the graves of Jews who were there so there's no Jews left in Gaza and removed all the IDF from Gaza and it said and it gave Gaza and not only that it gave put them on the border let me just finish sure Israel um uh offered to to rebuild for free the port of Gaza to make it the Singapore of the West so Gaza should be one of the richest nations in the in the Mediterranean has miles of white sand

beaches it it's not a desert it's an oasis that's why the Philistines who were from Greece colonized it because it was it had Rich agricultural lands the Israelis had had built a very very extensive irrigation system to irrigate that land they had put out of business all the illegal Wells that were threatening the um the the the water table with saltwater infiltration and they built 4,000 hot houses state-of-the-art hot houses and then donated them to the people of Gaza when they left as a gift to make Gaza completely food self-sufficient they then the international Aid Community then poured in an unprecedented tsunami of cash to the people of Gaza oh after World War II we rebuilt German we rebuilt all of the 17 nations of Europe with the Marshall Plan we gave the people of Europe $48 per capita a piece that's about $623 in 2023 we've given to Gaza the international Aid community 8,600 so 13

times what we what we spent to rebuild Europe and what's happened I as you say is an open air prison it was 47% unemployment why is that is that the fault of Israel no it's the of Hamas which has taken that money stolen it for its its leaders is haa who is the head of Hamas is according to Forbes has a net worth of5 billion dollar yazer Arafat died a billionaire his wife gets a $22 million uh uh annual subsidy from the Palestinian Authority mmud Abbas the current head of the Palestinian Authority is is a billionaire his sons have two $750 million the the top three guys at at Hamas have a collective netw worth of 11 billion do so this this a kleptocracy they're stealing from their people and then the rest of that money instead of building an economy and agricultural system making it a a a center for Commerce for peace for prosperity for their people instead they've used that money to build an

undergr the city 300 miles of tunnels to bring in the to bring in uh uh weapons Rockets Etc they they have torn up the irrigation system that made it agriculturally completely self-sufficient they tore up hundreds of miles of pipes and used those pipes to make rockets with they ended the regulation of the wells so that now anybody can build a well and the it has poisoned all the agricultural lands of Goda with saltwater so this is what Hamas has done to itat her people to the people I say they need to be eliminated and then they raise each generation the the question isn't nobody the biggest aspiration that they can have to kill a Jew the strap on they make kidy suicide vesses they they indoctrinate them from kindergarten this is a you know and and Israel did not put up the barrier until they started there was an open border there for many many years throughout the 70s Israel only put up the wall when

Commandos started coming over and butchering Israelis what other you're talking about back when back when the IDF was occupying Gaza you're saying they didn't have the wall up yet okay the asymmetry here but hold on you're talking oh because you're blaming that Israel for creating an open air prison and that's baloney it is total baloney listen there's there's an asymmetry here because you're talking to me about how bad Hamas is and like yes I agree Hamas is a very bad organization but I'm also not standing here arguing that Hamas is doing a great job and that we America better fund Hamas the subject you made an assertion no no no I'll I'll go back to this it's not but let's just agree not is not true no what assertion have I made that's not true listen Israel turn God into an open air prison no I'm not saying they turn yes it is and look the the reason why international human why why don't you blame Egypt Egypt has it

bordered with it if it was I do I blame Egypt too never heard you I've never heard you blame all right well you just heard me you just heard me right here okay well you just heard me that that's fine that you've never heard me I've been highly critical of uh Egypt and I think we should cut off foreign aid to them as well but the fact is that I am not sitting here arguing that we ought to sort support Hamas financially in their aggressive War towards the people of Israel but you are arguing that we ought to financially support Israel in their war against the people of Gaza so the yes the reason why international human rights uh uh groups like uh Human Rights Watch like Amnesty International said that the occupation never ended in 2005 is because as um uh um as Sheldon Richmond put it essentially they had all of the prison guards lead the prison and surround the prison and then they went look we freed all the people in the

prison David they can't surround the prison they don't own only land around the okay so nine10 so nine10 of the pr sorry my mistake they control nine10 of the borders around it they control the sea space they control the air space they control the water they control the electricity they they control all of the Telecommunications I mean like but I just don't understand why you here here let's go through each one of those why does it why does Israel control the water it control the water because there's plenty of water in Gaza and they have desel plants all over Gaza so they got plenty of water why does Israel uh control the water it doesn't control the water it has 9% of the water which it gives as a gift right so Bobby Bobby very quickly because I don't want to go too long here if they don't control the water how was it on October 8th they turned the water off they turned their part of the water off

Hamas turned most 90% of the water off yeah they can't turn the water off David the water is locally manufactured in desel Plants Israel has no control over there Hamas turned them off because Hamas didn't Hamas wanted to use the fuel they the million liters of fuel that they have in their tunnels to send Rockets onto Israel rather than power their diesel PL and give water to their people they did the same thing they hoarded the food they stopped their people from getting International Aid Israel was making that Aid available to them and they refused to give it to them Israel just said we're not going to send it to the parts where we're fighting and no nation in the world would do that David has have you ever heard of a country and while they are fighting and there's Rockets being fired over their head at their own people that they would go in and feed the Warriors who are fighting against

them who would do that I don't know but you know I've never I haven't heard of a Western Country in modern times who's occupied territory since 1967 either I mean I don't know what is the example that that Rockets fired back at you from that area hey David DAV okay let's look at this history in 1948 Israel won Gaza they occupied it and what did they do at the end of the war they gave it back to Egypt gave it to Egypt yeah then they then they and and Egypt used Gaza to to attack Israel with so they were sending you know madin over from Gaza to make attack Commando attacks on Israel so Israel took Gaza again they had a right under international law because it was used strategically against them to Annex it did they no they said we don't want it they tried to give it back to Egypt then in 1973 Egypt they they signed the Camp David Accords and Egypt and Israel again said you can have Gaza we'll give it to

you and Egypt said no we'll take the Sinai we won't we don't want Gaza it's your problem again and again Israel has tried to return Goda and then 2005 it said we don't we're gonna get walk out we're GNA give them the keys we don't want it then what did they do Gaza start Hamas fires 30,000 missiles 2,000 missiles a a year onto civilian Targets in E there's a million Israeli families who with whose children were raised in bomb shelters with nobody you know nobody nobody in the International Community saying oh you know these poor kids who have pts a nobody talked about that oh Israel did something no country in the world has ever done if any other country if if Egypt declar or Mexico declared war on us if a Mexican government took control of Mexico reclaimed Texas and then fired Rockets onto San Antonio and Houston how long how many would they have to fire before we went in there and remove them maybe

two they they absorbed 2,000 a year and what did the Israelis do because they didn't want to go into Gaza they spent hundreds of billions of dollars and this is where our money goes building the Iron Dome every god of rocket that comes across cost Hamas $800 to manufacturing fire Israel pays $40,000 to shoot them down and Israel B worth at enormous cost because it did not want to go into Gaza oh you know to say that Israel's been you know hatching these ulterior plans to go into Gaza is just completely contrad why is it why is it sir when you're retelling this history which I don't even have a problem with a lot of the stuff that you're saying it is true that they they fire these Rockets into Israel but why is it that you never mention that during this time also Israel has been regularly mowing the the grass Israel has been regularly launching bombing campaigns against Gaza because you paint this picture as hold

let me let me just talk a little bit here too because I'm listening to you but you paint this picture as if there's Israel sitting here and they're being bombarded by these Palestinians when in reality Palestinian have been dying 10 10 to one at least compared to the Israelis it's the Israelis have also been going on massive bombing campaigns I mean look you had protest I'm on of Palestinians I'm against Hamas and Hamas firing the rockets and Israel has gone in when too many Rockets are coming over and they become intolerable Israel goes in and and removes them and that's what's called mowing the grass what other Nation D no that's just tell one nation in the world one nation that would not do that one nation that would absorb 2,000 Rockets a year from an enemy yes okay again sir but again so tell me what nation or what group of people would stand being occupied since 1967 not occupied David

okay is the West Bank is the West Bank occupied yeah the West Bank and you know why the West Bank is occupied it's also Justified right it's no no the West Bank is not occupied to protect Israel Israel the West Bank is occupied to protect the Palestinian Authority because if the Israelis left the West Bank mmud abas would be overthrown overnight and who would be in charge of with the West Bank Hamas is that is that you an acceptable outcome no but I don't think the status quo is an acceptable outcome either okay but then that's why okay I think we both agree now neither of them are acceptable outcomes so how do we get to an acceptable outcome that's what I think you and I can agree on how well it's sure not it's sure not it's sure not this war that you're supporting sir this sure ain't the way this is the road to disaster let's talk about that David what are your ideas for how you get the hostages

back okay well I think first off if your goal if your goal is getting the hostages the hostages back my God Israel has destroyed 50% or something 60% of the residential buildings there it's quite possible that the hostages have been killed already by this war so if you wanted to get the hostages back what you should have done is start negotiating that would have been the plan and in fact they did get some of the hostages back by negotiating they've gotten none of them back by dropping these bombs and they've likely killed a whole bunch of them that's the truth what do you think the go what what is Hamas want Hamas has said What It Wants is you know the end of Israel well that I mean at different times they've said that at certain points they've also said that they would accept 1967 borders so it would have been great if Israel had taken them up on that when they said it um let me did take them 2008 and 2001

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the influence out of politics that's what I would like and have publicly funded elections oh I don't think anybody but do I think the Israelis have more influence than others I I David I believe that in the you know in supporting Israel that it's important for the United States and you and I can disagree on that I believe and I believe our Aid to Israel at4 billion dollar a year is designed to keep the peace over there sir you you've been such a Critic and such an effective critic you've been you've been such an effective critic of the neoconservatives I I am a Critic of the neoconservative yes I know that's what I just said but you know that that these two issues are so like intertwined and I know you know that because I know you know this stuff but look the report David again I was for I you know I I would vote for World War II right I would not vote for any other War the Neons vote for every war I

you're voting for this war the opposition to the Afghan war to the Iraq War to Panama okay fine but I was this is Vietnam so I you know all wars but I'm just saying I don't want to live in a world where it I think it would be bad for our country it would be bad for the world to eliminate the only democracy in the mid East the only I they're not really a democracy if you include the West Bank and there are they I mean you can say they're not occupying Israel wants to give the West Bank back all they're asking for is a recognition which no Palestinian official has ever made fine let recognition that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish State that's all they wanted okay well you add in a Jewish State yasur Arafat recognized the right to exist under 1967 not as a Jewish State oh oh now it has to be said as a Jewish State too okay fine okay fine okay um so I mean say the danger of Israel not

existing I think actually the current course which you've pledged to support as president is probably the biggest risk to Israel not existing but the point I was making before the point I was making before let me just finish let me just finish my point and then I'll give you the last word okay the point I was making before is that look uh um you talk about being a sharp critic of these neoconservatives and if you go read the the letter a clean break which was written by uh Richard Pearl and uh David wormser okay and this is what outlined in 1996 the desire to fight the war in Iraq and you know who that was written to right it wasn't written to Bill Clinton it was a Pac document well no I'm but specifically a clean break was written to Benjamin Netanyahu this is they're very much all involved and look sir why are you trying to connect me to Benjamin nah I'm not trying to connect you I don't

like because he's the prime minister of the country who you're pledging to fund their War so of course I have to bring up who he is I'm saying Benjamin Netanyahu the man who you are saying who you said as president you will support his War until the end give him everything they need he has been since the 1990s lying to the American people saying Iran is five years away from developing a nuclear weapon do you not have any misgivings about supporting someone in a foreign government who is lying the American people into a war which he wants us to fight not them it's it's not Israel who's going to be fighting a war with Iran it's the young men in our country okay let me let me just before we um before we end let me clarify a coup things one is I don't like Benjamin Netanyahu I don't like the neans I don't want to be lumped in with them and I I I there's 80% of the Israeli public is now against Netanyahu but 90% of them

support the action in uh in Gaza as necessary to eliminate Hamas now do I think that the action in Gaza could end up in the destruction of Israel lead to a chain of events that ended up in the destruction of Israel do I worry about that yes do I worry that it could end up in a chain of events that could walk the world into World War II yes I absolutely believe that do I believe that it is a good choice no do I believe that it is the best option available yes because I don't I think that kicking this down the road again because the the the the now the the demonstration of of strength that Hamas showed on October 7th where you know 3,000 airca land with rockets backpack missile systems and the equipment that they're now receiving from Iran and North Korea makes them a existential threat to Israel and when they come back the next time that you know they're perfectly willing to ceasefire of

course and they'll use that to rearm they're going to increase their Prestige around the world because you know the world admires them for that October 7th attack what and if you ask me what I would have done as president it's not what would have happened now what I would have done is I would have first of all i' end the the Ukraine war so that we can talk directly to Putin I bring X in I bring Putin in I bring CCE in from Egypt I bring ergan in from turkey and I'd say this war is not in any of our interests the Chinese and the Russians don't want to you know they don't want fundamentalist Islam Conquering the m east and controlling the oil fields they don't want that ultimately we have a community of interest if the security Council the day after October 7th on October 8th had condemned Hamas and had demanded the prosecution of their leadership for war crimes and if if we then had pressured cutter to arrest is haa and

Eran to arrest the leaders that are hiding in Ana and brought them up to the world Court then I think we'd be in a different world what we did instead is we isolated Israel and we left them alone to solve the problem and the only option they have day for solving this problem is very limited uh military option and it would be my job as president to make sure this never happened make sure that they had other options rather than military but we don't have anybody in the white house today who who you know who understands even how to begin that process they're still living in a bipolar world where you know the America superpower everybody's got to do what we say and they will not go and reach out to other leaders and say let's convene and solve this problem together in ways where we can find common ground with each other and I think that that is necessary now and that you know it it is tragic

where we are but I don't and the reason I posted that post on October 7th because I knew what was going to happen I knew the world was going to turn against Israel immediately and that you know and that even the Biden Administration would and that Israel needed some somebody so that it in the world so it does not feel isolated so it feels there's other options other than military options I believe our military aid to Israel actually advances the cause of Peace it allows them to maintain the Iron Dome which which gives them the option of not going to war we were able to use our military uh donations to them which by the way are not donations as you know they come back here 100% of it comes back here the US weapons manufacturers but oh great I'm not saying that's a good thing wonderful don't I'm just saying that that that that's what it is and the um but we were able to leverage that Aid to Israel to stop them from

going into Lebanon after Hezbollah to to stop Netanyahu from doing that and I think that's a good use of that power agreed I think that they you know us now look I want to withdraw there's 800 Bas abroad I want to withdraw from from 90% of them but the last ones that I would leave are the you know what I've always said that my job as president is going to be arm America to the teeth around its borders so make ourselves too expensive to ever inade um and then uh to but to protect neutral areas have enough Strike Force to protect neutral areas like the Antarctic and to protect the sea lanes and to have strike Force for really bad behavior in two theaters at the same time and that's what and that'll bring us down to military expenditures about less than 500 Bill billion a year we can do that but I would not immediately withdraw from America's traditional role of protecting the Open Sea Lanes I don't think that that's a

good idea for our country and particularly to do it suddenly I think we can feel our way through that but it has to be done with the cooperation within order transition I'll tell you something because you know you and I often quote John Quincy Adams uh his his urging that we go not abroad and search of monsters to destroy so all of the framers believed in that that America would be destroyed by getting in military entanglements abroad and but you know when the barbery Pirates started attacking American shipping Jefferson who was the most adamant of all the framers against the US Navy um you know send an emissary over there to say why are you doing this we are a anti Colonial Nation we were in the same position as you are and and the uh and the uh the prince told him we don't care we're just going to take all your shipping for because we want the money Jefferson then authorized the creation

of a Navy and we went over there the Marines went over there and bombarded tripola and there was never a capture of an American ship again and that set the president of American foreign policy that you know a a a the key US foreign policy the full gr the US foreign policy would be keeping open the sea lanes and I you know I would not walk away casually or without considering every aspect of what would happen if we walked away from that obligation no okay the shipping is is a key that International objective of keeping open the sea LS particularly the Suz canal and I'm not listen I'm not going to argue with you about keeping open the shipping lands I'm just going to argue about what Israel is doing to the people of the Gaza can I just say a couple quick notes about the barber Wars that are very interesting you know uh traditionally the French and the British they just paid him off that was their

like way of dealing with the barber Pirates just pay him the money and they advised uh Jefferson they're like just Pam but Jefferson had his principles and he's Thomas Jefferson so he's like no man has a right to extort money from me so buil the Navy he went over and he fought war against and the C so much greater it have been to them off and number two if you want to talk about precedents that were set during the barbery wars Thomas Jefferson launched the first military action without a declaration of war from the Congress and it was Thomas Jefferson it was Tom the author of the Declaration of Independence who did it and so I could also argue there were some pretty bad historical precedent set by that listen the argument about the shipping lands aside point taken I don't think I don't think this is going to age well I just think that there's a reason why the entire world is turning on Israel right

now and and for the record I don't I love Israel I'm not against Israel I I'm Jewish I have a lot of family uh uh connections to Israel I think Israel is a is a cool country and they've pulled off something amazing they've done something really incredible they created a country that's a great place to live and the truth is that if you are an Arab in the Middle East the best place to live is in Israel as long as you're a citizen yeah the best place to live is not in Palestine but in the same way that America is a great country and that America is a way better place to live than Saddam Hussein's Iraq that doesn't mean what we did to Iraq was okay and that doesn't mean that we weren't the bad guys in this fight and I think you you're not putting me in that bucket I hope because I no I know you don't support the war in Iraq I'm just saying you're so great on Iraq and you're so great on Ukraine and you're so great on

the vacc why can't you just be great on this too Bobby that's what I'm saying to you because I don't it doesn't make sense to me could but I just think it's wrong but but you know just as a footnote I know you agree with me on this I think that that Gaza happened because as a direct result of us overthrowing Saddam Hussein and it allowed you know the the um it I mean we overthrew him and not realizing that he was keeping in check the Shia majority in in um in Iraq and the result was that and and I want to say one other thing because of what happened in Turkey because I think you and I I mean what happened in Jordan this week I think you and I will agree on this um when when you know we had funded Saddam Hussein and supported him in his war against Iran which killed a million people but he was keeping he was the primary Bullard against Iranian expansion in the region right he was a key Ally of ours

and Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush gave him permission to go into Kuwait again because they were sucking his oil out from under his fields and and he said I'm he he went over there and said I I'm gonna go in there and they said okay and then he went in there and they said oh we're horrified we got to go to war against them we destroyed him and we created Isis Isis was the The sunnis Who were with Saddam who were fighting the shiit and now are thrown out of their own country so we now have this I think it is a catastrophic tactical decision we've put these bases in Syria and Iraq Iraq wants us out they voted the parliament voted us to get out and they and we threaten that if if they make us leave that we will not give them their the the dollars that were paid by by their oil money that are being held by the fed and then um we had to replace Saddam Hussein as the buw workk with US military so we put these soldiers in uh

in arms way in the middle of the desert along the Syrian border Syria is another vassel state of Iran where there you know vulnerable to these drones attacks and it's just a matter of time of course before they get killed we should not be in there we should those bases we should eliminate them from the area we should withdraw to the bases the traditional historic bases we we're welcome with the nations want is in there and we can protect the sea Lanes from there we should not and by the way Isis is now the biggest enemy in the region to Iran Isis killed 100 Iranians two weeks ago and we claim that the reason we have that base there is to fight Isis yeah so you know it it is is insane what we're doing there that is somewhere where we can certainly find an area of agreement get all of our troops out of those regions where they never should have been before I would just take it one step further and do what uh

Coen Powell wanted to do after 911 what um uh Michael shorer the the CIA head of the Benin Laden unit said which is that also we got to get out of supporting Israel what they do to the Palestinians but we'll agree to disagree on that listen sir I will say I very much respect you coming on to to go back and forth with me and I I I do uh appreciate that very much um so please let people know where they can support you um uh on the campaign Trail and and anything else that you want to uh mention in my listeners yeah I mean people can come I gotta get a million signatures Kennedy 24.com and David I you know I really I enjoy talking with you I respect you I know that you believe in what you say um your very well researched you're one of the best informed people that I know of you're you make the best offense of this that any of anybody that I've ever heard of your position I think you're wrong on it um I respect you

though I respect you for holding that position and I know that it's heartfelt and for me it is not an easy decision I I believe I'm on the right side of it um but I also see the Jeopardy of it I see the Peril and I don't like being in the same camp on this particular issue with people like Netanyahu and the neans I don't like that at all but I think ultimately I'm you know my position is the correct one but uh you know it it's not an easy one because you know we could be walking into world wars right yeah uh anyway thank you for having me on and thank you for having this kind of congenial discussion which is what we all ought to be doing everywhere across our country being able to have well-informed talks about you know difficult issues and still be able to love each other as Americans yeah I I completely agree with that so yeah Amen to that and anytime you want to I appreciate the kind words and like I

said I appreciate you coming on so anytime doors always open to you sir thank you David all right thanks everybody for listening catch you next time the offer for vice president is still open oh no oh man I might be in trouble all right catch you guys next time n

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Dave Smith (Host), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Guest).

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In order: 0:00 Israel, BB Netanyahu, Libertarian Party, Dave Smith; 10:00 Israel, Survival Gear BSO, BB Netanyahu, Russia; 20:00 Israel, Hezbollah, Houthis, Ukraine; 30:00 Israel, Sheath Underwear, League of Nations; 40:00 Israel, BB Netanyahu, Ukraine; 50:00 Israel, Camp David Accords; 1:00:00 Israel, BB Netanyahu; 1:10:00 Israel, BB Netanyahu, Thomas Jefferson, Ukraine; 1:20:00 Jalani Hussein, BB Netanyahu, Israel.

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