Vivek Ramaswamy | Dave Smith | Part Of The Problem 1009

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: Black Rock, ESG movement, Gas Digital Network, Government Solutions
2. 5:00 – 10:00: Climate religion, Covetism, Drug usage, Founding Fathers
3. 10:00 – 15:00: Ukraine, Ron Paul, Budapest Memorandum, James Baker
4. 15:00 – 20:00: Nom Nom, Budapest Memorandum, Neoconservatives, Robert Gates
5. 20:00 – 25:00: Declaration of Independence, Economic dependence, Javelin, Nuclear triad
6. 25:00 – 30:00: Collective bargaining agreements, 1977 Presidential Reorganization Statute, Deep State, International order
7. 30:00 – 35:00: Appropriations, Betsy DeVos, Deep State, Department of Energy
8. 35:00 – 40:00: Economic dependence, magbreakthrough.com, Magnesium Breakthrough, Ukraine
9. 40:00 – 45:00: Taiwan, Economic dependence, EMP capabilities, global free market capitalism
10. 45:00 – 50:00: mercantilism, Black Rock, Damocles, data theft
11. 50:00 – 55:00: Taiwan, supply chain, Uyghurs, black square
12. 55:00 – 58:04: Democrat Party, George Washington's Farewell Address, Libertarian Party, Overton window

Notable quotes from "Vivek Ramaswamy | Dave Smith | Part Of The Problem 1009"

• What's up everybody Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem I am very excited for today's show I am joined by our second presidential candidate to appear on the show of course RFK came on and today we have.

  about Part of the Problem · at 0:29

• Was going to be running for president a year ago right I had just founded strive that was competing against BlackRock I'm a passionate opponent of the ESG movement I'm a big…

  about Black Rock · at 4:42

• And certainly I'm not saying that alone somebody's age like should discount them like I think if Ron Paul was in the white house right now we'd be in a much better country…

  about Ron Paul · at 9:55

• Policies I mean you see this kind of attitude with say like the war in Ukraine where it's like well America said you can't do it and that's that you're not allowed to do it as…

  about Ukraine · at 10:51

• About Land Air and sea but maybe cyber would be on your list if you're a thinking person or economic dependence but the point I'm making is a slightly different one there's…

  about Economic dependence · at 20:59

• Interests this is how we deter Xi Jinping from going after Taiwan without going to war over Taiwan probably the most important tangible foreign policy accomplishment of the next president I'm confident I have the.

  about Taiwan · at 41:06

• Wasn't actually engaging in the game of global flea market capitalism they were playing the game of mercantilism which they were using companies as pawns literally as pawns and…

  about mercantilism · at 44:49

• Brazil you know Mexico will go around the board Shore up our supply chains through trade relationships such that the damage we would inflict by the United States even from…

  about supply chain · at 47:49

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Ron Paul — Person · 3 mentions · first at 10:00
• Vladimir Putin — Person · 2 mentions · first at 16:28
  Kind of put the blinders on and went nope we were right about everything and history began When Vladimir Putin invaded and we can't look at any of that other stuff all right…
• Adrian Zenz — Person · 2 mentions
• George Kennan — Person · 2 mentions
• Vivek Ramaswamy — Person · 1 mention · first at 0:45
  Candidate to appear on the show of course RFK came on and today we have Vivek ramaswamy who is running for the Republican nomination for president of the United States how are…
• Founding Fathers — Person · 1 mention · first at 7:57
  Be an American today a vision that I don't have to reinvent it was a vision that our founding fathers invented in 1776 in a certain sense they didn't even invent it they were…
• Nancy Pelosi — Person · 1 mention · first at 10:27
  Remember when I was like a teenager we had these political figures like Joe Biden in the Senate and Nancy Pelosi in the house and Chuck Schumer in the Senate and so many of…
• Mitch McConnell — Person · 1 mention · first at 11:38
  Democrats and that's that's totally accurate I mean you could say you could add Mitch McConnell to that list really I mean there's there's a rank there's a range of Republicans all of whom by the way end up on the same side of the Ukraine.
• James Baker — Person · 1 mention · first at 13:03
  In a more Lucid phase of their life back then should actually remember maybe the fact that say James Baker told Gorbachev that we were not going to expand NATO at all relative…
• Robert Gates — Person · 1 mention · first at 15:00
  Point and it's and just to add more names to the list I mean like in terms of opposing NATO expansion Robert Gates the former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara William Perry who is Bill Clinton.
• Robert McNamara — Person · 1 mention · first at 15:04
  Terms of opposing NATO expansion Robert Gates the former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara William Perry who is Bill Clinton Secretary of Defense all took the same approach I think what really happened is.
• Betsy DeVos — Person · 1 mention · first at 32:31
  Trump wants to make a change to a subset of the Department of Education puts Betsy DeVos on top and says okay we're gonna drive the change you know the middle management comes…
• Angela Merkel — Person · 1 mention · first at 39:34
  Won't support Ukraine any further we will go further and give you what you asked for in late 2021 after Angela merkel's disastrous comments that the Minsk agreement was just…
• Jamie Dimon — Person · 1 mention · first at 45:51
  To do with Commerce this is a problem this is a great threat I think that turns Larry Fink to Jamie dimon to Elon Musk for that matter in some ways into circus monkeys that…
• Larry Fink — Person · 1 mention · first at 45:51
  To do with Commerce this is a problem this is a great threat I think that turns Larry Fink to Jamie dimon to Elon Musk for that matter in some ways into circus monkeys that…
• Chiang Kai-shek — Person · 1 mention · first at 53:19
  Think this is more of a nationalistic impulse dating back to 1980 1949 when Chiang Kai-shek you know was fundamentally hostile to now what the recognized ruling regime in China…
• Leonid Brezhnev — Person · 1 mention
• Mao Zedong — Person · 1 mention
• Mike Pompeo — Person · 1 mention
• Robert F. Kennedy (RFK) — Person · 1 mention
• William Perry — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

• Woke Inc — Book · 2 mentions · first at 6:57
  But look at the Republican landscape and I see a group of people who are saying the things I've written in woke Inc my first book and railing against the problem as I'm guilty of doing for much of the last several years too.

Companies & orgs

• Office of Management and Budget (OMB) — Company · 4 mentions
• Part of the Problem — Company · 2 mentions · first at 0:35
• Black Rock — Company · 2 mentions · first at 4:46
• magbreakthrough.com — Company · 2 mentions · first at 36:12
  Up refreshed the Deep Sleep benefits are really noticeable go check them out at magbreakthrough.com potp to order right now in addition to the discount you get when you use the…
• CCP — Company · 2 mentions
• NRA — Company · 2 mentions
• trynom.com — Company · 2 mentions
• Gas Digital Network — Company · 1 mention · first at 0:00
  Fill her up you're listening to the gas digital Network we need to roll back the state we spy on all of our own citizens our prisons are flooded with non-violent drug offenders.
• Strive — Company · 1 mention · first at 4:44
  Look I think that I did not imagine I was going to be running for president a year ago right I had just founded strive that was competing against BlackRock I'm a passionate…
• Office of Personnel Management (OPM) — Company · 1 mention · first at 27:36
  Something very simple the U.S president has sole Authority to set the regulations governing the office of personnel management the OPM that's the HR department the human…
• UK Department of Education — Company · 1 mention · first at 29:41
  The existence of multiple government agencies that don't exist that is what I will use to shut down the U.S Department of Education which should not exist spends 80 plus…
• Nuclear Regulatory Commission — Company · 1 mention · first at 29:57
  There as well the U.S Marshals and so on carrying out most of the same functions to go down the list the ATF the nuclear Regulatory Commission possibly the entire department of…
• Department of Energy — Company · 1 mention · first at 30:01
  To go down the list the ATF the nuclear Regulatory Commission possibly the entire department of energy as we know it the CDC will go down the list I'm actually statutorily…
• Trilateral Commission — Company · 1 mention · first at 50:04
  Absolutely did you happen to catch there was a real interesting moment last year when the trilateral commission met in Japan and there was like this crazy Rowdy group of…
• Samsung — Company · 1 mention · first at 52:59
  To be fundamentally different if we're semiconductor supply chain independent period I mean we got you got Samsung you got South Korean companies you've got building and…
• vivek2024.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 55:57
  Want to support you if they want to find out more of your stuff where can they go vivek2024.com viveek2024.com I actually want to point out I mean I'm ahead of where Donald…
• Democrat Party — Company · 1 mention · first at 56:49
  We're going to have to dissolve these standard party distinctions between the Democrat Party and the Republican party but even between the libertarian party and the Republican…
• Libertarian Party — Company · 1 mention · first at 56:50
  Standard party distinctions between the Democrat Party and the Republican party but even between the libertarian party and the Republican party to see this through and with…
• ATF — Company · 1 mention
• CDC — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

• Magnesium Breakthrough — Product · 2 mentions · first at 35:57
  Seven forms of this essential sleep mineral that's why I recommend magnesium breakthrough contains all seven forms of magnesium designed to help calm your mind and help you…
• Javelin — Product · 1 mention · first at 20:25
  About B16 bombers and b2s and f-16s and the difference between a javelin and an at4 and it's like these are terms and that's fine I mean I've gotten like you know quizzed on the nuclear Triad many times like the first time I you know I.
• mutual funds — Product · 1 mention · first at 45:34
  Shortly before being granted a government-granted license to be allowed to sell mutual funds in China That's not capitalism that is mercantilism we just go straight down the…
• AT4 — Product · 1 mention
• B-16 bombers — Product · 1 mention
• B-2 — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

• Economic dependence — Concept · 5 mentions · first at 21:03
• 1776 — Concept · 4 mentions
• mercantilism — Concept · 3 mentions · first at 44:53
• supply chain — Concept · 3 mentions · first at 47:53
• unipolar moment — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 11:01
  Said you can't do it and that's that you're not allowed to do it as if we're still living in this 1994 unipolar moment where whatever we say goes and then you see Biden have…
• Budapest Memorandum — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 12:39
  Oh on one hand we're going to fetishize and I do think that's what we're doing fetishizing this Budapest memorandum from 1994 which by the way if you look at the Hard facts and…
• International order — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 26:14
  Accomplishment of this Century if we're able to achieve it I think I can trilateral International order instead of the bilateral one the favorite Child that's what we were just…
• trilateral international order — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 26:14
  Accomplishment of this Century if we're able to achieve it I think I can trilateral International order instead of the bilateral one the favorite Child that's what we were just…
• Deep State — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 27:52
  The Great under appreciated forces behind the rise of the deep State itself it's like the HR bureaucracy of the federal government that's where the collective bargaining agreements come into place the implementation of civil service.
• Collective bargaining agreements — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 27:55
  Of the deep State itself it's like the HR bureaucracy of the federal government that's where the collective bargaining agreements come into place the implementation of civil…
• Appropriations — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 31:31
  Operandi let's start with the minimally disruptive approach is the draft budgets the Appropriations language that we'll send to Congress will not make the mistake that many…
• Uyghurs — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 50:50
  Source Adrian's ends which was all like doctored bad numbers I'm not saying they're treating the uyghurs great but the data that they provided that Pompeo put out was like just not accurate even I believe Zen's has admitted that himself.
• 5 U.S.C. 3302 — Concept · 2 mentions
• TPP — Concept · 2 mentions
• Truth — Concept · 2 mentions
• ESG movement — Concept · 1 mention · first at 4:49
  Year ago right I had just founded strive that was competing against BlackRock I'm a passionate opponent of the ESG movement I'm a big believer in Government Solutions last I…
• Government Solutions — Concept · 1 mention · first at 4:53
  I'm a passionate opponent of the ESG movement I'm a big believer in Government Solutions last I believe in Market Solutions first and so I did what I know how to do I started…
• Market Solutions — Concept · 1 mention · first at 4:56
  Movement I'm a big believer in Government Solutions last I believe in Market Solutions first and so I did what I know how to do I started businesses that's how I've built my…
• Climate religion — Concept · 1 mention · first at 6:22
  Irrelevance and we can debate different people call different things the poison wokism gender ideology climate religion covetism globalism depression anxiety drug usage suicide…
• Gender ideology — Concept · 1 mention · first at 6:22
  Irrelevance and we can debate different people call different things the poison wokism gender ideology climate religion covetism globalism depression anxiety drug usage suicide…
• Wokism — Concept · 1 mention · first at 6:22
  Irrelevance and we can debate different people call different things the poison wokism gender ideology climate religion covetism globalism depression anxiety drug usage suicide…
• Covetism — Concept · 1 mention · first at 6:26
  People call different things the poison wokism gender ideology climate religion covetism globalism depression anxiety drug usage suicide whatever it is different people pick different poisons but I think that each of these are just symptoms.
• Globalism — Concept · 1 mention · first at 6:26
  People call different things the poison wokism gender ideology climate religion covetism globalism depression anxiety drug usage suicide whatever it is different people pick different poisons but I think that each of these are just symptoms.
• Drug usage — Concept · 1 mention · first at 6:30
  Wokism gender ideology climate religion covetism globalism depression anxiety drug usage suicide whatever it is different people pick different poisons but I think that each of these are just symptoms of a deeper vacuum of purpose and.
• Neoconservatives — Concept · 1 mention · first at 15:42
  Less money and so this is just I mean it's really what happened is that the neoconservatives had this Vision that was at which they laid out in the project for a New American…
• Nuclear triad — Concept · 1 mention · first at 20:32
  And it's like these are terms and that's fine I mean I've gotten like you know quizzed on the nuclear Triad many times like the first time I you know I mean like literally as…
• Declaration of Independence — Concept · 1 mention · first at 23:15
  That I'm Reinventing the ideals and Shrine in our Constitution and our Declaration of Independence why don't we revive that as not reverting to the past all I'm doing is…
• Shadow government — Concept · 1 mention · first at 25:06
  Talked a lot about this that in order to implement a lot of these plans a lot of the Shadow government really has to be reined in the FBI the CIA the Federal Reserve our…
• 1977 Presidential Reorganization Statute — Concept · 1 mention · first at 29:14
  Actually not expired there's only certain provisions of it that are expired call the 1977 presidential reorganization statute the provisions that expired were the provisions…
• Economic independence from China — Concept · 1 mention · first at 37:36
  Help in that department but I don't so what you know I've heard you talk about declaring economic independence from China what exactly does that mean and like how exactly do…
• Korean War — Concept · 1 mention · first at 39:28
  That says listen up we'll freeze the current lines of control Korean War style arm assist we won't support Ukraine any further we will go further and give you what you asked…
• Minsk agreement — Concept · 1 mention · first at 39:38
  Asked for in late 2021 after Angela merkel's disastrous comments that the Minsk agreement was just about biding time when Putin said well then I need to know that NATO is not going to admit Ukraine we stayed silent he invaded Ukraine.
• No Limits partnership — Concept · 1 mention · first at 40:04
  And cooperation that the new country signed ratcheted it up in the so-called No Limits partnership that Xi Jinping and Putin entered in 2022 I think it was in February of 2022…
• hypersonic missile capabilities — Concept · 1 mention · first at 41:42
  U.S will be on its back foot if the two Allied nuclear superpowers with hypersonic missile capabilities and super EMP capabilities and the largest nuclear stockpile in the…
• EMP capabilities — Concept · 1 mention · first at 41:44
  Allied nuclear superpowers with hypersonic missile capabilities and super EMP capabilities and the largest nuclear stockpile in the world and I'm talking about Russia here is…
• nuclear stockpile — Concept · 1 mention · first at 41:46
  Hypersonic missile capabilities and super EMP capabilities and the largest nuclear stockpile in the world and I'm talking about Russia here is combined with the economic engine…
• global free market capitalism — Concept · 1 mention · first at 44:45
  We deluded ourselves into thinking that we were participating in a game of global free market capitalism when in fact the party on the other side wasn't actually engaging in…
• data theft — Concept · 1 mention · first at 46:47
  That govern our system of having capitalistic relationship no IP theft Data Theft no use of companies as lobbying pawns as a cons as a requirement for being able to engage in…
• Damocles — Concept · 1 mention · first at 49:20
  It for a military moment then I think we have that you know sort of Damocles hanging over our neck too but I think that by actually exercising greater economic leverage what we…
• Uyghur genocide — Concept · 1 mention · first at 50:41
  State department one of Trump's final moves from the state department labeling them as committing a uyghur genocide which was by the way listed one single Source Adrian's ends…

Places & events

• Ukraine — Place · 9 mentions · first at 10:56
• Taiwan — Place · 9 mentions · first at 41:11
• USSR — Place · 4 mentions
• Saudi Arabia — Place · 1 mention · first at 11:10
  Then you see Biden have this policy you see China line up behind Ukraine you see Iran and Saudi Arabia backing China you see like all of these different moves and you're like…
• Kaliningrad — Place · 1 mention · first at 40:13
  Well that's the requirement and then I a few more things on the list pull the nukes out of kaliningrad bordering Poland get the Russian military out of Cuba Venezuela Nicaragua…
• Nicaragua — Place · 1 mention · first at 40:16
  Nukes out of kaliningrad bordering Poland get the Russian military out of Cuba Venezuela Nicaragua Russian military presence does exist in the Western Hemisphere pull that out we'll restore normal economic relations let go of the sanctions.
• Western Hemisphere — Place · 1 mention · first at 40:20
  Cuba Venezuela Nicaragua Russian military presence does exist in the Western Hemisphere pull that out we'll restore normal economic relations let go of the sanctions this is a deal that Putin would absolutely do he I believe at least he.
• Pacific Rim — Place · 1 mention · first at 47:46
  With Japan South Korea India Southeast Asian countries Vietnam included Australia go around the Pacific Rim even Brazil you know Mexico will go around the board Shore up our supply chains through trade relationships such that the damage we.
• Southeast Asia — Place · 1 mention

Sponsors

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• BioOptimizers — Sponsor · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 fill her up you're listening to the gas digital Network we need to roll back the state we spy on all of our own citizens our prisons are flooded with non-violent drug offenders if you want to know who America's Next enemy is look at who we're funding right now every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big

0:33 what's up everybody Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem I am very excited uh for today's show I am joined by our second presidential candidate to appear on the show of course RFK came on and today we have Vivek ramaswamy who is running for the Republican nomination for president of the United States how are you sir good to talk to you man I've been looking forward to this yes me too very much you've said a lot of a lot of good things that have caught my eye while you've been campaigning uh how's it been going for you this has got to be different than anything you've done before doing a ton of media uh have you been enjoying the process I'm like 75 enjoying it yes I would say is the honest answer we were going through there's like administrivia to this process that either would would probably be worse than a sharp poke in the eye but but 75 of it in the part of the main

1:23 part of it is is actually a joy I mean we travel this country with our family four days a week at least the family comes with me we go on you know when you go on vacation one of the things you struggle to do is to meet locals of a place right the local people to get to know the character of a place that's actually this whole thing is about and we go to different the small towns communities across this country really meet the people of that place understand each other and I do think I know it may sound cheesy but it's just true it's been our experience that yes there are so many different people in different parts of this nation from Iowa to New Hampshire to Michigan to South Carolina to Ohio where I am now and yet I truly believe it we still are one people across all of those different attributes and so you know we take this campaign bus right along with my three-year-old son as much as we can and

2:21 it's been like a road trip across the country that'll be it's already been memorable so we're enjoying it the question is accomplishing the mission sure sure well that's cool that's real cool you get to take the little ones around with you I'm sure that's a lot of fun and the idea is like at that age where he actually might remember some of this later in life like I got some memories from three so that's that's pretty cool yeah I've got memories from three two and but it seems like unbelievable to me that he wouldn't you know like I know that I know that that's probably gonna be the case they won't remember all of it but like when you see them soaking it up right like in terms of like even when you know I'm giving a speech at some Barn in New Hampshire when was it Sunday and I'm going back to New Hampshire this evening and there's like a bounce house and like the back of the bar where him

3:05 and a bunch of other kids are playing but then like you know when me and a couple of the other people are speaking and talking about the country like these are kids who are three years old they can they tell the difference to like okay like people are listening to something going on here come back in and kids who rarely will pay attention you're trying to get them to like read a nighttime storybook are dialed in and you know how much are they processing about our discussion about free speech I don't know probably not probably not most of it but they're taking something away from it it's interesting so we'll see when he grows up how much of this he actually remembers but I would have trouble believing that some of this isn't going to stick with him yeah well you know so I got I got little kids like around the same age I have a four-year-old and a one and a half year old and um it's I I think if nothing else what he's probably

3:54 processing is that his dad cares about something that's important and wants to you know like talk about it with people and even just like kind of that understanding that in itself I think is is valuable um okay so you talked about uh accomplishing the mission now you have a lot going against you you're not 85. yeah it seems like that's a requirement to be president these days I'm pretty sure that's what the Constitution says um now of course of course you're running against you got a sitting president on on the Democratic side and you have the former president on the Republican side so anybody running is going to have a quite an uphill battle uh to doing this so what is it what what made you decide you want to take this this uphill battle and you think there needs to be a different alternative to Biden versus Trump part two yeah I mean look I think that I did not imagine I was going to be running for president a

4:44 year ago right I had just founded strive that was competing against BlackRock I I'm a passionate opponent of the ESG movement I'm a big believer in Government Solutions last I believe in Market Solutions first and so I did what I know how to do I started businesses that's how I've built my whole career writing books I wrote my third book earlier actually wrote it last year just came out earlier this year raising two young kids at home that was my life I was called into this race because of a vacuum that I saw the vacuum I saw was this you look at people my age how old are you Dave I'm 40. you're 40. so we're similar we're similar generation I mean we're both millennials I'm 37. I was born in 1985. U.S people our age what does it mean to be an American today you get a blank stare in response there's a vacuum of purpose and meaning and identity at the heart of our national soul and I think a big even the

5:45 battles that I was waging through the market offering Market alternatives to the ESG industrial complex let's be really honest about it it only works if there's a demand side of this a culture that's hungering to buy up what they're selling I think that sometimes that's overstated a lot of this is driven top down but there's an element of Truth to that and I wasn't going to fix that by starting another business I did see a vacuum for someone to be able to address that by offering a vision of American national identity that dilutes a lot of this cultural poison to irrelevance and we can debate different people call different things the poison wokism gender ideology climate religion covetism globalism depression anxiety drug usage suicide whatever it is different people pick different poisons but I think that each of these are just symptoms of a deeper vacuum of purpose and meaning and identity in our country and

6:44 then I look at the Republican landscape and I think it's I mean put the Democrat landscape to one side that's it's a whole different Beast but look at the Republican landscape and I see a group of people who are saying the things I've written in woke Inc my first book and and railing against the problem as I'm guilty of doing for much of the last several years too but missing the real opportunity which is to fill that void with our own Vision a vision of affirmative American national identity grounded in our common values that dilutes the poison to irrelevance and so I've built my business career and everything I've done in my life even the books I've written really fit this description is if the pack is running in One Direction I pick the other direction if I'm sure that I'm right about it or at least I have a conviction that I'm right about it and I see a pack in the GOP running in One Direction where they're running from

7:43 something and I believe this was our opportunity that this is our opportunity to start running to something to an actual affirmative vision of what it means to be an American today a vision that I don't have to reinvent it was a vision that our founding fathers invented in 1776 in a certain sense they didn't even invent it they were inheriting a tradition that came before them but in my eyes a vision that our founding fathers set into Motion in 1776. I think we live in a 1776 moment not a moment to play whack-a-mole for symptomatic therapy on cultural poisons that cereal arise but rather to offer an affirmative vision of Our Own and all I had to do was be the vehicle to advance it I don't have to invent this stuff it came in 1776 but what I do need to do is to channel that to meet our current moment and nobody else was doing it and so that last December at least it started called me into this

8:38 race and I do think it takes a member of a different generation it's not that oh I'm young and you know healthy and therefore and and lucid and therefore that's different than the reigning incumbents we can debate that but I think it might just take a member of a different generation at least figuratively maybe it could be an older person but at least mentally part of a different generation to share a conviction that yes you know what we don't have to be this decrepit nation and decline that we might just be a nation in our ascent and maybe folks like you and I let's hope that our best days in our own lives are still ahead of us maybe to see a country whose best days are still ahead of itself as well that's what I believe and I think I'm in this race to deliver that but whether I succeed or not that's in the hands of the voters of this country my job is to make sure people know who I am and what I stand

9:33 for and what I will fall for if necessary what I will sacrifice for my job is in the next year to year and a half let the country know that and then if that's the country if that's the person that the people want to lead them to the next phase of our national life then so be it I'm up for the job yeah well there's a lot there that's very interesting and and I do think and and certainly I'm not saying that alone somebody's age like should discount them like I think if Ron Paul was in the white house right now we'd be in a much better country totally we are and he's almost 90 I think you know but there is something kind of interesting about the kind of decrepit nature of our our Empire and the fact that so many of the political leaders are from this generation I mean you know you talked about us being the same generation I comment on this a lot but like I remember when I was like a teenager we

10:24 had these political figures like Joe Biden in the Senate and Nancy Pelosi in the house and Chuck Schumer in the Senate and so many of these people just like it's like they grabbed the ring of power and just never gave it up they're so I think removed from what's actually going going on in this country and how rough in so many ways the last 20 years has been on this country like this is not and and you see this a lot with the policies I mean you see this kind of attitude with say like the the war in Ukraine where it's like well America said you can't do it and that's that you're not allowed to do it as if we're still living in this 1994 unipolar moment where whatever we say goes and then you see Biden have this policy you see China line up behind Ukraine you see Iran and Saudi Arabia backing China you see like all of these different moves and you're like oh yeah no we're not living in that world anymore we're not

11:18 living in the 90s boom we're a country that's 30 trillion dollars in debt other countries see our cultural weakness they see what we've been through over the last few years and and it does seem like a lot of these leaders have not adjusted to the moment that we're in yeah I think you're right about that Dave and it's not just you name some Democrats and and that's that's totally accurate I mean you could say you could add Mitch McConnell to that list really I mean there's there's a rank there's a range of Republicans all of whom by the way end up on the same side of the Ukraine question by by no coincidence actually and the part that you know again I'm not like I'm against identity politics of all kinds and so I don't want to be a hypocrite and use age-based identity politics to sort of check a box either because there's plenty of people our age that think in that way and there's there's people like

12:03 Ron Paul who think more like us right but I think the point goes beyond just the biographical age but the perspective of being Tethered to reciting memorized slogans from 30 years ago and interesting thing is I would have hoped for a silver lining in some of this and I hope you don't you know I mean we don't have to go down the Ukraine rabbit hole if you don't want to but just since you brought it up as an example there are people who were around back then I mean you and I were kids but it wasn't that long ago to say that oh on one hand we're going to fetishize and I do think that's what we're doing fetishizing this Budapest memorandum from 1994 which by the way if you look at the Hard facts and actually read the darn thing we've more than fulfilled our commitments that were Ironclad and paper but some of the same people who were actually alive in politicians back then if anything one of the advantages of

12:56 having somebody who was actually maybe in a more Lucid phase of their life back then should actually remember maybe the fact that say James Baker told Gorbachev that we were not going to expand NATO at all relative to where we were in the 1990s and yet NATO which was formed to deter the USSR has expanded exponentially in the period after the fall of the USSR more than it ever did before or that George Cannon a guy who was mostly around before you and I were alive in his waning years when he died I think he must have been in the late 90s said that NATO expansionism was the biggest foreign policy disaster we've made in the post-cold War era you would think that okay well there may be some pros and cons to having people who were around back then and the bidens and the McConnells and the Pelosi's and the schumers of the world could stand up and remind us of the agreement that Baker made with Gorbachev could remind

14:00 us of what George Cannon the Chief Architect of Cold War deterrence had to say about NATO expansionism but somehow it's not just that they're old it's that their memory is so selective as to justify what they want to do in the present which is just repeating only the mistakes that they've made in the past in Iraq or you know some of them dating back to Vietnam for that matter and so I would have less of a problem with it if there were pros and cons to this but there's something fascinating and I and I haven't gotten to the bottom of this day but it's just the observation is true that it's unidirectional in repeating a certain class of mistakes while staying blind to the learnings that somebody could have brought with them and yet somehow selectively it's the learnings that get filtered out and that's what makes me cynical yeah to think this is an old age it's an incentive failure because

14:52 there's an incentive structure that creates these decisions over and over again no you you make you make a great point and it's and and just to add more names to the list I mean like uh in terms of opposing NATO expansion Robert Gates the former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara um uh uh William um Perry uh who is Bill Clinton Secretary of Defense all took the same approach I think what really happened is that the the neoconservative and neoconservative leaning members they won they won out and they defeated the ones who were warning against this and I do think part of it is that the incentives of government just kind of line up so that if you're advocating expanding the power everybody around you is making a lot more money yes and if you're if you're advocating reducing or limiting the power everyone around you is making less money and so this is just I mean it's really what happened is that that

15:42 the the neoconservatives had this Vision that was at which they laid out in the project for a New American Century they said we're going to remake the Middle East and we're going to expand NATO all the way to Russia's borders in this way you know the Middle East will be uh loyal to us we can do business with them and Russia won't be a European power and this made a lot of private state-connected actors filthy freaking rich and so there was just a lot more support for them but you're right at this point it's almost like even when some of those guys are still around I mean uh Bill Burns who's the head of the CIA he wrote The Net means yet memo that which was warning that if we pursue NATO uh Ukrainian entry into NATO this is going to lead to what we have today but even he doesn't seem to have anything to say about it now it's like they all just kind of put the blinders on and went nope we were right about everything and

16:28 history began When Vladimir Putin invaded and we can't look at any of that other stuff all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is nom nom nom nom delivers fresh dog food with every portion personalized to your dog's needs so you can bring out their best Nom Noms made with real whole food you can see and recognize without any additives or fillers that contribute to bloating and low energy that's because Nom Nom uses the latest science and insights to make real good food for dogs they're nutrient-packed recipes are crafted by board certified veterinarian nutritionists and they're made fresh and shipped free to your door Nom Noms already delivered over 40 million meals to good dogs like yours inspiring millions of clean bowls and tail wags go check them out if you got a dog you know you don't want to be feeding them garbage a lot of that stuff you pick up

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18:23 filtered unidirectional memory is something that justifies I think an appropriate cynicism to get to truth but but as I've sort of gone deep into this I have to admit that I think the money account is accurate but incomplete because I do think that there are plenty of actors who themselves have not really benefited financially in any measure that I could tell based on the facts and yet still fall on the same side of this unidirectional pull and so I'm I'm about getting to the truth and so it's just curious like still what else is going on there right it's not money's part of the story for sure but it's not the whole story and I'm just interested in getting to the bottom of what's going on and I think that part of it is that there is this psychological masturbation of just these raw exercise of hard power itself that is its own draw apart entirely independent of the money itself and I think that gets closer to the

19:33 flame actually where it's not that you will just selectively remember the past right remember the Budapest memorandum well forgetting the 1991 agreement with Russia right that you will selectively remember Cold War deterrence against the USSR which I have to repeat their mind people doesn't exist today while forgetting George Cannon's you know warnings or for that matter other even establishment figures like those you cited you got to give credit I don't just label someone as being in the establishment and evil if they're saying the right things I'll listen to them but part of what's going on is I see this even when I get my um you know briefings right in terms of my preparation to be president there's a certain class of people who almost get off a little bit and talking about B16 bombers and b2s and f-16s and the difference between a javelin and an at4 and it's like these are terms and that's

20:30 fine I mean I've gotten like you know quizzed on the on the nuclear Triad many times like the first time I you know I mean like literally as soon as I started writing this guy what's the new contract I don't know and that was like the source of great derision and uh and like now I know what the nuclear Triad is but I still get questions quizzing me on the nuclear Triad when actually it's just a military Theory right it's it's not like some actual physically existent thing and if you're really thinking about deterrence today you probably wouldn't just be talking about Land Air and sea but maybe cyber would be on your list if you're a thinking person or economic dependence but the point I'm making is a slightly different one there's there's a certain human guttural response when it comes to just like the raw exercise of hard power especially for those who don't feel strong within to substitute their

21:19 absence of the strength within for projecting strength without it's like the classic bully syndrome but written on a national scale and I think that if you want to get close to the flame of what's going on I think that's even a more powerful human guttural instinctual hard-wired evolutionarily you know and DNA and woven Instinct then even the money though I think the money plays a role in it but but either way come back to what you and I were talking about I do think it's going to take somebody who's from the outside member of a different generation to be able to not only call that out not seeking to be a commentator here but to be able to lead us to something to an affirmative alternative Vision because simply complaining about this you know the the existing establishment pro-war establishment Bears some analogies to the frustrations I was just expressing to you about many of my fellow contenders in the GOP who read a

22:13 line from woke Inc put it in their teleprompter call it a speech and then a railing about woken us that's going to only get us so far and there is something about human nature too that responds to a certain form of railing more than it instinctually in the short term responds to an actual affirmative Vision because that requires us to do work and listeners as human beings don't like it's not anyone's fault it's just how we're wired we want to preserve our caloric usage in our brain for something else and so we'd rather respond to the thing that requires us to mentally spend less energy but in the long run that's what makes us different from animals is that we do override our evolutionary instincts with what Lincoln called the better angels of our nature and I believe that to be true but I think that's what we're going to have to appeal to to say okay we're not just railing against wokeness or the pro-war

23:02 establishment or whatever like there's a time and place for that but here's an affirmative vision of our own that's what we're running to and I think I'm not even Reinventing that I'm Reinventing the ideals and Shrine in our Constitution and our Declaration of Independence why don't we revive that as not reverting to the past all I'm doing is framing that as the future and call me a progressive if you want that I'm progressing towards that 1776 Vision putting into our future rather than relegated to our past yeah well I I mean I think that's all very appealing I think that the um along with kind of the positive Vision which I think is important it's important for any community of people to have and it's important to you know for for to put any of this into motion under the democratic system we live in you have to Rally a lot of people to to be you know inspired and want to get on board the other thing

23:54 is like um the plan of action because I think in a lot of ways Donald Trump um while it was fairly vague this like make America great again thing but he kind of like tried to do this like we're going to bring jobs back everyone's going to be winning it's going to be great I think the problem is that from my perspective with Trump was that when it actually came down to implementing a plan I think that he didn't really have much of a strategy to stop all of the things that he was railing against and you know we he can brag about his white hot economy for the first three years truthfully speaking I think it was much more of a bubble than it was really a white hot economy if if you have like uh insanely low interest rates and insanely High government spending you can look at a lot of charts and numbers and say hey everything's going really good um but that aside the wokeness did not slow down it dramatically increased

24:45 under Donald Trump the covid regime at least the first year and and much of the worst event all happened while he was in the White House not saying he's responsible for all of it he is responsible for some but it certainly didn't stop it I think what what I and I know you've talked a lot about this that in order to implement a lot of these plans a lot of the Shadow government really has to be reined in the FBI the CIA the Federal Reserve our government is kind of permeated by these incredibly powerful institutions that are unaccountable to voters operate in secrecy and as we've seen a lot very recently um even conspired to work against the sitting president of the United States if they don't like his mission so the question then is like how do you actually put this into action like how do you is a lot of this about your appointments because that was certainly one of Trump's weakest areas is that he

25:39 would appoint I think whoever was kissing his ass basically he would put them into positions of power even when it was so clear from their career that their goals were diametrically opposed to his yeah so there's a there's a couple hard commitments that I'll make I'm not prone to boasting or making false promises or anything else but the few things I'll deliver I'm also not going to feign false humility either okay here's what I know I can do we'll end the war in Ukraine we'll pull Russia apart from China that I think is the single greatest foreign policy accomplishment of this Century if we're able to achieve it I think I can trilateral International order instead of the bilateral one the favorite Child that's what we were just talking about now domestically here's the second thing by the time I'm done when I'm leaving office in January of 2033.

26:25 there will be once again in this country three branches of government not four full stop and I'm the probably the single candidate who has run for president in either party in the last 30 to 40 years who has a deep first personal understanding of how to actually get it done and I think it is going to take not just personnel which is what you brought up that's part of it it is going to take a president who has a first personal bone deep conviction to see it through because some of what I'm about to tell you is controversial you will have the advisor managerial class tell you all the reasons why you can't see it through you're going to need the personal conviction and fortitude to see it through so I'll give you some examples of what I mean in terms of the statutory and constitutional understanding that will Empower me to see it through I'm not just an academic I've built multi-billion dollar businesses but I'm

27:23 not just a business guy I understand the Constitution start with a simple simple law underutilized five USC 3302 okay says something very simple the U.S president has sole Authority to set the regulations governing the office of personnel management the OPM that's the HR department the human resources department of the executive branch of the federal government the OPM is one of the Great under appreciated forces behind the rise of the deep State itself it's like the HR bureaucracy of the federal government that's where the collective bargaining agreements come into place the implementation of civil service protections comes into place so from a staffing perspective surely the people that I put more important in the cabinet level appointments are the OPM and the OMB those kinds of positions that relate to the plumbing of both Personnel policies and money in the federal government I'm not going to make

28:16 some of the mistakes that Trump did which is putting in place people who are effectively like mediators between the president and the administrative State almost become ambassadors for the voices of the administrative State back to the president no it goes the other way around I'm bringing a vision to restore three branches of government at least a 75 total federal employee head count reduction under my watch in the first term you're there to be a bulldog and see it through and if actually there's one places where I'm going to put Libertarians either either hard Libertarians or soft Libertarians in those roles that's actually where it matters right is is in roles like OMB and OPM but it's not even their personal ideology that matters as much as their commitment to see that Vision through but anyway five USC 3302 gives the US president sole authority to set the regulations governing OPM that's

29:04 underutilized that's one way around the Civil Service protections and the com the collective bargaining agreements there's an expired statute but it's actually not expired there's only certain provisions of it that are expired call the 1977 presidential reorganization statute the provisions that expired were the provisions that required Congressional consent because Congress was skeptical of Jimmy Carter back then but actually the rest of the statue that still lives on includes Provisions that say the president can reorganize agencies including shutting down agencies if they either promote the economy or reflect redundancies amongst the existence of multiple government agencies that don't exist that is what I will use to shut down the U.S Department of Education which should not exist spends 80 plus billion dollars a year that I will use to shut down the FBI spends 11 billion dollars a year when

29:51 there's plenty of arguments for redundancy in the federal government there as well the U.S Marshals and so on carrying out most of the same functions to go down the list the ATF the nuclear Regulatory Commission possibly the entire department of energy as we know it the CDC will go down the list I'm actually statutorily empowered to do it one of the things that stops you is if it's not the Civil Service protections oh by the way they'll say that oh there's Civil Service protections that can't you can't use to fire people well hold the phone it actually is pretty clear that what it was doing was preventing the political retribution of a U.S president towards a civil servant but on its own terms those statutes do not apply to mass firings Mass layoffs which require only 60-day notice so it requires a president that has a level of understanding of the detail to have the conviction to see that through

30:44 in an advisor otherwise says oh your hands are tied and you can't do it I don't buy that and I've built multi-billion dollar businesses not listening to people from the managerial ranks telling me what I can and cannot do before getting to truth get to the truth of the matter be guided by that rather than what somebody whispered in your ear because then you're just a puppet now one of the other obstacles they'll bring up is the so-called impoundment prevention concerns that if Congress budgets the money you have to spend it there's nothing you can do about it there's a lot I could say here uh but the least inflammatory approach and I my general rule of thumb is be as minimally disruptive as you need to be to get the job done but is maximally disruptive as you need to be to actually get the job done those are my modus operandi let's start with the minimally disruptive approach is the draft budgets the Appropriations

31:33 language that we'll send to Congress will not make the mistake that many Republican presidents and of course democratic presidents have made in the last number of decades where they got lazy and they delegated the draft Appropriations language to the administrative state to the Deep state to turn up the draft language the language used to say Appropriations language may spend makes sense uh the president is asking for permission on behalf of the executive branch to spend money authorized by Congress when presidents got lazy somehow the draft Appropriations language that came from the deep State the administrative State the agencies that ran through OMB to the to the Congress which itself has fellas fallen asleep at the switch as well they changed the May to shall a simple one-word change but that has deep-seated implications so then that becomes the draft language and then comes back says you shall spend say

32:20 the appropriation specifically for the US Department of Education says shall spend well now let's say U.S president like Trump wants to make a change to a subset of the Department of Education puts Betsy DeVos on top and says okay we're gonna drive the change you know the middle management comes back and says well you know Mr President says you shall spend so sorry you're violating the demand of Congress and that itself is arguably an unconstitutional interpretation of that appropriation the 1974 impoundment prevention Act passed under Nixon unfortunately codifies that understanding I'd repeal that statute but it's not repealed but the easiest thing I can do is make sure that our draft appropriation language that runs through my OMB which maybe we'll have someone cut from your cloth sitting in that seat will actually say you know what we may spend it we're asking for permission but that doesn't mean that we

33:10 have to spend it if it's wasteful or fraudulent or an abusive form of spending or certainly something that doesn't Advance the US interest let alone with something that even represented what was a constitutionally ordained function of the federal government in the first place so as I could go on for a full day and we have less than an hour here but the thing I come back to is is there's not a lot that I'm going to promise but I think I am the single presidential candidate in the last generation who has an understanding and a conviction and a passion for actually knowing how to shut down the administrative State an academic level understanding of it but not as an academic as somebody who's actually built something seen it through and I think that I'm the single best positioned person not only in this race but in at least last few races even to actually see it through such that when I'm leaving office in January 2033

34:03 there's not a lot that I can tell you that I will have gotten done but that much that we have three branches of government not four by the time I'm done that much I know I can see through and there's a few things I mean I think execution is all about Focus right there's a few if you try to do everything you'll end up doing nothing yeah but a small handful of things and in the war in Ukraine doing that deal between Russia and China pull them apart restore the administrative State and restore the restore the three branch system of government over the administrative state and in the process have an economy that's actually growing again organically rather than through money rating from on high from a Federal Reserve that falsely prints it and then a Young Generation that resultantly is actually proud to be an American today that much I believe I can deliver that's why I'm in this race to do all right

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36:36 let's get back into the show and I gotta say I I really appreciate your um your your position that you want to actually have a technical like strategy for doing this and not be uh unnecessarily inflammatory not that obviously if you're doing things like this you're going to be attacking very powerful interests there's going to be people upset about it I do think that Donald Trump was inflammatory at every turn that he could be without having really a technical plan for actually you know draining the swamp and I think that's a bad combination you're much better off to actually focus on how this thing can be drained and then not needlessly piss everybody off and get this this crazy backlash so I want to ask you a little bit about um what you were saying about um kind of pulling Russia and China apart um certainly the policies under Joe Biden has been pushing them together so just ending those policies will will

37:30 help in that uh in that department but I don't so what you know I've heard you talk about declaring economic independence from China what exactly does that mean and like how exactly do you pull China and Russia apart yeah so those are two different tracks okay and I appreciate what you said Dave because it's actually a really important point is and I see this in the Republican party I'm more of a Critic of the Republican party than Democrats only because I think I think change starts at home and so if I'm running the Republican ticket let's it's easy to point the finger at somebody else let's look in the mirror first and I think a lot of the you know what you see is inflammatory behavior for the sake of being inflammatory I don't mind I mean I'll be inflammatory when I need to be if that's what's required to get the job done but it's not for its own sake right and I think it's often a substitute

38:22 actually for the lack of a substantive understanding of what actually needs to be done so so that's really what's going on is it's a deflection or or a an insecurity that's a projection of the absence of actually having the ability to deliver on the goods itself so as I said for the administrative State let me now turn to the foreign policy dimension of this two two different tracks there so the economic independence piece I'll come back to let me just talk about how we'll pull Russia apart from China I'm a big believer in you know as the expression goes right if they give you lemons make lemonade find the silver lining whatever trite expression you want to use I it's trite because it's true I believe in it the Ukraine war is that lemon out of which we'll make lemonade okay I think it's a disaster that the US has been involved as much as we have that we're marching even in the Direction with the

39:10 bipartisan consensus to turn this into the next Iraq I think that's the track we're on but I don't like to just sit around and complain about it here's how I'll use that at least as an opportunity to do something even more important use that as a catalyst to do a deal with Putin that says listen up we'll freeze the current lines of control Korean War style arm assist we won't support Ukraine any further we will go further and give you what you asked for in late 2021 after Angela merkel's disastrous comments that the Minsk agreement was just about biding time when Putin said well then I need to know that NATO is not going to admit Ukraine we stayed silent he invaded Ukraine I'll say no we'll go back we'll give you that too Ukraine will not admit NATO but we require in return that you exit your military partnership with China there's the 2001 Treaty of good neighborliness and cooperation that the new country

40:02 signed ratcheted it up in the so-called No Limits partnership that Xi Jinping and Putin entered in 2022 I think it was in February of 2022 well that's the requirement and then I a few more things on the list pull the nukes out of kaliningrad bordering Poland get the Russian military out of Cuba Venezuela Nicaragua Russian military presence does exist in the Western Hemisphere pull that out we'll restore normal economic relations let go of the sanctions this is a deal that Putin would absolutely do he I believe at least he absolutely would do a deal of this form because because it he's the little brother in that relationship with Xi Jinping kind of like Mao zanong was with respect to bresnov with the USSR Putin's like the new mouse I'm not saying that I love Putin any more than we loved Mal back then I don't trust Putin at all but I do trust him narrowly to follow his self-interest and I think that this is

40:51 in his self-interest and so this pulls Putin out of that relationship creates a trilateral international order instead of the bilateral one that favors China that's more stable less likely to result in nuclear war less likely to result in war period and actually advances American interests this is how we deter Xi Jinping from going after Taiwan without going to war over Taiwan probably the most important tangible foreign policy accomplishment of the next president I'm confident I have the clearest division of how to deliver it is deter China from going after Taiwan without going to war over it that's critical we cannot go to war with China this is not going to be a good outcome for anybody certainly not for the United States but this is how we do it because Putin's calculus right now is that the U.S will be on its back foot if the two Allied nuclear superpowers with hypersonic missile capabilities and

41:44 super EMP capabilities and the largest nuclear stockpile in the world and I'm talking about Russia here is combined with the economic engine of China that the US is dependent on that the U.S will have to be meek if China goes after Taiwan but Xi Jinping will have to think twice if Russia is no longer in his camp oh can I can I just jump in there because I actually find that very interesting and I think that could I think that had uh potential to work I mean I think if you were to offer Putin a deal like that he would first off he'd get a lot of what he wants and he could he could save face he could spend that as like look at everything I get which look is what we're gonna need here everyone's gonna have to be able to like feel like they can save face to their own people and so that would be good I'm just uh throwing this out there not saying you got to agree with it right now but if you needed one more uh really

42:30 powerful bargaining chip it um which would guarantee Putin would I know what you're gonna say but but let's let's let's well what is it what was I gonna say exit NATO exit NATO yeah that's the answer so so I'm not so listen nothing you have to commit I'm a negotiator I would save our tax it would save taxpayer money we have no need to be in there supporting that we joined it is not lost on me just leave it that it is not lost on me but but if I'm leaving the United States my job is to represent our interests I've built my career in part and I hate I feel like I said like Trump here but like I don't mean I'm really good at doing deals uh you know get look at my track record on this yes no I understand you can't throw that out as a starting point so just I got you I understand I understand the point and it's not lost on me we're just scratching the surface here I promise you yeah so so that's so that's that's

43:16 on the Russia China partnership side then you know I mean I think other things to deter war with China there's small stuff around the edges I've brought up I personally think that Taiwan should adopt the US version of the Second Amendment right the second amendment's the protection that secures all of the others but it also secures foreign threats as well put a gun in every Taiwanese household train them how to use it why not that Xi Jinping is darn scared of a second amendment that's why they don't have one in China well are you suggesting the U.S government should be arming uh Taiwan no the NRA could open its own Branch Taiwan could just do it on its own I mean the NRA is a private organization right so so I just think I I I'm throwing an idea Into The Ether it's like a football pass I threw up the pass it's up to Taiwan to catch it and that's American exceptionalism is part of that is

43:59 exporting our ideas of Freedom right agreed and so and so that's their choice whether or not they want to catch that that ball but I think that there's there are things I come back to my North Star how do we deter China from going after Taiwan without going to war over Taiwan and why do I care about China deterring China for Taiwan after all taiwan's different than Ukraine because Taiwan is The Fountainhead of global semiconductors that provide literally our modern way of life we wouldn't be having this conversation right now virtually I wouldn't be able to use this phone if it were not for advanced Leading Edge semiconductors coming off the island nation of Taiwan it's just a fact right and so now I come to the economic dependence piece of this I'm not blaming anybody over the last 30 years I'm just learning from the mistakes we've made we deluded ourselves into thinking that we were participating in a game of

44:45 global free market capitalism when in fact the party on the other side wasn't actually engaging in the game of global flea market capitalism they were playing the game of mercantilism which they were using companies as pawns literally as pawns and I could tell you how they do it to advance geopolitical agendas that have nothing to do with Commerce so Airbnb having to hand over U.S user data as a condition for doing business in China I'm not making this up and there's hard facts I talk about in my book it's Wall Street Journal reporting on this that's not capitalism that's mercantilism BlackRock being required to Lobby the US government for lowered listing standards specifically for Chinese companies shortly before I mean it's almost you know you could almost connect the dots shortly before being granted a government-granted license to be allowed to sell mutual funds in China That's not capitalism that is mercantilism we just

45:39 go straight down the list China has turned companies into vectors for advancing agendas that have nothing to do with Commerce this is a problem this is a great threat I think that turns Larry Fink to Jamie dimon to Elon Musk for that matter in some ways into circus monkeys that jump as high as the CCP needs them to jump because they're dependent on the biggest Economic Opportunity or growth opportunity that they see which is expanding into the Chinese market notably that's not a criticism of those Business Leaders I have other criticisms or certain of those Business Leaders but this isn't one of them businesses are doing what you'd expect businesses to do it's a criticism of U.S policy that is reciting a mantra without recognizing that that Mantra is not grounded in truth it's grounded in a narrative that doesn't track the actual truth the essence of what's actually going on so what I would do is U.S presidents I'd

46:32 sit across table from Xi Jinping and say listen up we're cutting the cord we're declaring total economic independence unless you commit to playing by the same rules that govern our system of having capitalistic relationship no IP theft Data Theft no use of companies as lobbying pawns as a cons as a requirement for being able to engage in Commerce in your country just as we don't do it in reverse or else we're cutting the cord but there's a crucial precondition for me to be able to do that credibly I think we have to re-enter the trade relationships that Trump exited with many of the specific Nations so Trump exited the TPP it's now the cptpp that they call it again I'm a big believer in finding Silver Linings right so the Silver Lining is that gives me greater leverage as U.S president to go back and say hey well Trump pulled out you know we're willing to do it but here's the conditions for coming back in and get

47:25 some more concessions out of it what are those concessions I mean Japan and South Korea they like state-owned Enterprises and you know corporate welfare at a level that we don't appreciate and so you know we'll get some more concessions for them to back down on some of that but that's a detail basically re-enter those relationships with Japan South Korea India Southeast Asian countries Vietnam included Australia go around the Pacific Rim even Brazil you know Mexico will go around the board Shore up our supply chains through trade relationships such that the damage we would inflict by the United States even from cutting the court from China would be tiny compared to what it was if we were just depending on magically waving a magic wand and expecting that we'd onshore all that to United States that's not going to happen that's a false promise it's not grounded in truth then I'm able to sit across the table

48:13 with Xi Jinping with a spine and mean it and he will know that I mean it when I say that unless you meet our demands of playing by the same rules then we're cutting the cord I have a high degree of confidence that again people generally tend to act in their self-interest Xi Jinping will have to fold on that right because China's in a weaker spot than we are there's zero coveted policies last year were disastrous he shot himself in the foot you know what I think he'll have to meet those demands but if he doesn't then yes I'm prepared to see that through and this is again how we reduce our Reliance on China in a way that actually here deters War I know that turns the conventional thinking on its head which is you're less likely to go to war if you're economically dependent China sees it the other way actually the fact that so many countries so many companies are economically dependent on China

49:06 is is just one more lever and a plug that they'll pull right we're we're uh diluting ourselves if we're the only ones who think we can cut the cord right they're if they're saving it for a military moment then then I think we have that you know sort of Damocles hanging over our neck too but I think that by actually exercising greater economic leverage what we do is we force China to play by the same set of rules which will actually stabilize the economic relationship versus the unstable equilibrium that we're in now when they're not really playing by the rules of capitalism we see that with plain eyes and yet still have to recite the slogan because we feel like we're stuck part of the problem is we need to re-enter those portrayed relationships and part of it's just Shoring up our own fortitude here at home you know I think stop paying people to stay at home that's a big part of what drives the

49:53 worker shortage in our country and stop over regulating our own economy of course it's impossible to to produce here um which goes to the administrative State points we're talking about earlier absolutely did you did you happen to catch there was a real interesting moment last year when the trilateral commission met in uh Japan and there was like this crazy Rowdy group of uh different representatives from Asian countries I'm talking allies South Koreans Japanese um who were Furious about the um how provocative the US is being toward China and I would just suggest that if we're talking about negotiating these things away much like you were talking about negotiating with Vladimir Putin there's also many things that where we could we could stop um at performing war games right off of their Coast we could stop having our our state department one of Trump's final moves from the state department labeling

50:41 them as committing a uyghur genocide which was by the way listed one single Source Adrian's ends which was all like doctored bad numbers I'm not saying they're treating the uyghurs great but the the data that they provided that uh um Pompeo put out was like just not accurate even uh I believe Zen's has admitted that himself um but I also think there's probably you know the stuff like Joe Biden saying we will militarily defend Taiwan which is just look none of us want to see China invade Taiwan but the idea that America is going to go over there and militarily defend Taiwan if they're invaded is Goofy it just makes no sense it's like saying China would stop us from invading Mexico City it's not going to happen you can't do it we're two countries with a whole lot of h-bombs and we're not going to move even in our own war games we lose that war um so I just think there's probably room to negotiate with China by also saying

51:33 like you can take this kind of harder path uh economically but also saying that like to back off of some of the provocations that I think both Obama Trump and the Biden Administration have been guilty of yeah so I want to separate a couple things there I agree with a lot of a lot of the intuition there but maybe just parse a couple things sure I I do think that so I'm one of these people where I don't I'm not going to be some apologist for China's behaviors with respect to the uyghurs to the contrary I've actually been very critical of for example companies that'll be self-logging here in the United States for putting a neat little black Square on their Instagram account talking about the death of black Americans at the hands of police while you know watching real enslavement in the present day in China but we can't conflate that with saying that somehow it's the US's responsibility to be the world's human

52:26 rights police right that's the mistake that we make and so I think sometimes we fall in the Trap of oh well we want to defend the existence of we want to defend some other regime abroad my point is no we will not but it's not our job to police that either so I just think we have to keep Clear Eyes about that that's the first distinction I draw second distinction I would draw and this is gonna you know this will get me in a lot of trouble in the Republican party but it's it's just my true belief I think our commitment to Taiwan let's be really honest is fundamentally an ought to be fundamentally different if we're semiconductor supply chain independent period I mean we got you got Samsung you got South Korean companies you've got building and construction going on here in the United States we're a matter of years from getting there I personally think that China depends on XI jinping's motivation if it's to screw

53:12 over the United States economically then he has an incentive to go sooner but I think this is more of a nationalistic impulse dating back to 1980 1949 when Chiang Kai-shek you know was fundamentally hostile to now what the recognized ruling regime in China is which is the Communist Party if that's really what it is he's gonna possibly wait until we actually have semiconductor Independence in this country because he will predict hopefully correctly and if I'm president it will be correctly that we don't have a reason to engage in a way that we would if our own Economic Security depended on it from the semiconductor supply chain so I think that that's an interesting Insight that no one's no one's talking about here and I'll come back to saying that here's how I want to do it I think that here's and it's achievable right so this is not La La Land stuff pull Russia apart from China if Taiwan wants to we certainly can

54:04 export our ideas and help turn itself into a porcupine with its own version of the Second Amendment re-enter the trade relationships with Japan South Korea Etc part of what they were frustrated about as well there that they're renting about was our absence of trading with them in Japan and then put ourselves in a position to say that Hey listen if you're not going to play by the same results said rules we're not going to play your game economically I think this gets us there and I think I'm the only person in this race and part of the reason I'm in it who has a Clear Vision and a clear set of steps to deter avoid or with over Taiwan and end the war in Ukraine all the while actually advancing American interests it amazes me right people who have been around as you said for 30 40 years aren't within miles of this Vision but instead are selectively remembering one set of agreements but not another

54:58 from the 1990s that make a justification on a path to war whatever is going to be the path that leads to war that's going to be the justification that they cling on to and so I think that that's maybe take somebody of a different generation maybe just take somebody who knows the facts maybe just take somebody who's grounded by a vision of how we actually Advance George Washington's farewell address right I'm a George Washington America First conservative read his farewell speech it's a good statement of what our foreign policy today should be and I stand by it absolutely well look I think and and I know you gotta I gotta roll I'll let you go um but I think just pretending we live in a unipolar moment is living in a fantasy and I think your idea about a tripolar moment is is living in reality so I just think that's fundamentally uh as an advantage um and favors the United States by the way that tripolar favors the United

55:42 States too no the unipolar moment didn't do so great for America we just spent ourselves into bankruptcy I think it's I think we're better off this way listen thank you so much I really enjoyed the conversation let people know if they want to support you if they want to find out more of your stuff where can they go vivek2024.com viveek2024.com I actually want to point out I mean I'm ahead of where Donald Trump was in June of 2015. latest poll just came out this morning I'm at six percent twice you know most other U.S senators and governors who are even doing well in this race long way to go I'm not in this to prove a point because I think too often many of us get are satisfied with saying we move the frame of discussion and want to make a point folks who are in your listenership based maybe you yourself Dave you won't agree with 100 of what I say but you're going to agree with like 90 of what I say

56:32 maybe more 95 90 95 of what I say I think look if you if you really agree with 80 90 of what I say I need your help especially in places like New Hampshire but I need your help because we're going to have to dissolve these standard party distinctions between the Democrat Party and the Republican party but even between the libertarian party and the Republican party to see this through and with that lift yeah I spoke to Ron Paul a matter of days ago I think a combination of yes putting American interest first but with the vision that Dr Paul brought to this race that's a big part of what I'm bringing to this race but not to shift the Overton window we're already doing that to actually see this through and the good news is I've lived the American dream I've put already 10 plus million dollars in my own money we're gonna cut a multi-million dollar check imminently as well we're going to keep

57:20 adding to this we're we're committed to see this through we're not making that sacrifice lightly but I need you guys is what I'm saying and so let me earn your support and and and Dave you can maybe help me better understand how to do it so I appreciate that well listen I would love I would love to have you back on anytime I really enjoyed the conversation and uh I'm I'm enjoying you kicking up dust out there we live in unconventional uh times and I think I appreciate it I think you have a lot of potential all right thank you very much appreciate it hope to talk again soon later man thank you thanks for listening everybody later thank you

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What is discussed in "Vivek Ramaswamy | Dave Smith | Part Of The Problem 1009"?

In order: 0:00 Black Rock, ESG movement, Gas Digital Network, Government Solutions; 5:00 Climate religion, Covetism, Drug usage, Founding Fathers; 10:00 Ukraine, Ron Paul, Budapest Memorandum, James Baker; 15:00 Nom Nom, Budapest Memorandum, Neoconservatives, Robert Gates; 20:00 Declaration of Independence, Economic dependence, Javelin, Nuclear triad; 25:00 Collective bargaining agreements, 1977 Presidential Reorganization Statute, Deep State, International order; 30:00 Appropriations, Betsy DeVos, Deep State, Department of Energy; 35:00 Economic dependence, magbreakthrough.com, Magnesium Breakthrough, Ukraine; 40:00 Taiwan, Economic dependence, EMP capabilities, global free market capitalism; 45:00 mercantilism, Black Rock, Damocles, data theft; 50:00 Taiwan, supply chain, Uyghurs, black square; 55:00 Democrat Party, George Washington's Farewell Address, Libertarian Party, Overton window.

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