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#478: Do What Sets Your Soul ABLAZE with Kacia Ghetmiri, Podcaster, Speaker, & Entrepreneur

From Heather Monahan · Episode page · Watch on YouTube

· 50 min · 11,152 words · 63 timestamped sections

This is the full, timestamped transcript of "#478: Do What Sets Your Soul ABLAZE with Kacia Ghetmiri, Podcaster, Speaker, & Entrepreneur", an episode of Heather Monahan published November 12, 2024 (50 min, about 11,152 words). It mentions 18 people, works and ideas, including Kaa, John Cena, Multi-level marketing (MLM), Empower Her, NetSuite.

What this episode is about

This discussion centers on Kacia Ghetmiri, a dynamic podcaster and entrepreneur known for her top-rated personal growth podcast, "Empower Her," which has garnered over 11 million downloads. The conversation highlights her journey in life, motherhood, and business, including her success in real estate investments and her dedication to empowering women to launch and monetize their own podcasts and businesses.

Key takeaways

  • Success isn't just ladder-climbing; sometimes it's an ugly cry, a bathroom floor, and a gut feeling.
  • Organic attraction beats gamified trickery; a great product is a magnet for high-energy followers.
  • Real estate portfolio of $7M in two years shows that properties, not just podcasts, build wealth.
  • If something's misrepresented, become the representation; filling gaps can skyrocket your influence.
  • Startups find footing in pivots; sometimes abandoning 'surefire success' opens doors to your true path.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Empower Her, Get Investing Podcast
  2. – 10:00: Ovarian cancer, Persian
  3. – 20:00: NetSuite, Oracle NetSuite
  4. – 25:00: KPI checklist, NetSuite
  5. – 35:00: Insanity
  6. – 45:00: Shopify
  7. – 50:00: Empower Her, Empower Her Podcast, postpartum

Notable quotes from "#478: Do What Sets Your Soul ABLAZE with Kacia Ghetmiri, Podcaster, Speaker, & Entrepreneur"

  • Wife and a new mama and I can't wait to get into all the transitions all the changes her podcast Empower her is one of the top rated personal growth podcast with over 11…
    about Empower Her · at
  • Don't know the count so I just don't want to waste time I've had two friends die at age 30 one from ovarian cancer and one that fell out of a window freak accident my husband…
    about Ovarian cancer · at
  • Him to make a huge life transition which ended up being such a blessing and a gift yeah so my husband is Persian so his parents are both first generation immigrants to the US…
    about Persian · at
  • 25 1 37,000 that's the number of businesses which have upgraded to netsuite by Oracle netsuite is the number one cloud finan Cal system streamlining accounting financial management inventory HR and more All For You 25 net Suite turns 25.
    about NetSuite · at
  • Providing you today is going to make this possible right now download Net's popular kpi checklist designed to give you consistently excellent performance absolutely free at…
    about KPI checklist · at
  • One I've ever worked with was called Beachbody people are probably familiar with like 21 day fixed Insanity P90X these are some of the workout programs that they created well…
    about Insanity · at
  • Future where like you have more options because you did this now you know that's the sound of another sale on Shopify and the moment another business stream becomes a reality…
    about Shopify · at
  • Taking the risk and betting on yourself you had so many options after having Brody what is it about the Empower her podcast that made you want to lean back there yeah so I…
    about Empower Her Podcast · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

Products & tech

Concepts & topics

  • Multi-level marketing (MLM) — Concept · 3 mentions
  • PSAT — Concept · 2 mentions
  • Ovarian cancer — Concept · 1 mention · first at
  • Persian — Concept · 1 mention · first at
  • postpartum — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    Excited to kind of like feel like myself again after this like weird journey of postpartum and now back into it oh you're so back and better than ever I am so proud of you and…

Sponsors

  • Shopify — Sponsor · 6 mentions · first at
  • Oracle NetSuite — Sponsor · 1 mention · first at
    37,000 that's the number of businesses which have upgraded to netsuite by Oracle netsuite is the number one cloud finan Cal system streamlining accounting financial management…

Full transcript with timestamps

hi and welcome back I'm so excited listen strap in get ready for the next 45 minutes because I'm going to tell you you're going to be so hyped every time I'm around this woman I'm hyped I'm going crazy I'm so excited and you are going to feel the exact same way so if your day has been a little flat oh that's about to change I'm so excited and she's multiple times very rarely do I have a guest on multiple time multiple Time guest on the show so Kaa not only she a personal friend of mine she's someone I freaking adore and love but she's a high energy life Enthusiast a wife and a new mama and I can't wait to get into all the transitions all the changes her podcast Empower her is one of the top rated personal growth podcast with over 11 million downloads and they happened organically which guys listen you can gamify and do a lot of different things and advertise and you can force people to listen this woman just had

such an incredible product that helped people and she's so good and so high energy people came to her she's also the co-host of the get investing podcast with her husband Cena which is all about helping people get started in real estate investing can't wait to get into that as well she's personally helped hundreds of women launch and grow monetize their podcast and strategically grow align businesses through programs and Live Events with her husband Cena she's also built a $7 million Real Estate Investment Portfolio in the last two years she's all about pulling back the curtain to transparently share her journey in life and business to show what is possible for you too so thank you for being here guys welcome to the show Kaa I'm so happy you're here Heather I just adore you so much I'm so excited to have this conversation and just is going to be so juicy I can't even wait to dive into all the things oh

my gosh it's so I we were off air guys a minute ago and just talking and catching up at how much life has changed since we've last seen each other in real life since we've last had each other on the podcast and I I can't wait to get into it but I love your story for so many different reasons but let's go back to the beginning because one of the things that's so interesting about you is the level of success you've achieved at a very young age things that took me my gosh 20 years longer than it took you so I want to kind of get to like how did you get the confidence to do these things like how did you know to do these things and like why has it all worked out certainly seems like it's all worked out from afar watching you at such a young age how did you build it I really feel like it's one of those things where you can connect the dots when you're looking backwards you know like this famous Steve Jobs quote we're like

sitting here with you today and just thinking out but about like both of our careers and businesses it's like would have never guessed that one was going to work out and it's like here you are um but truly like it all started when I did the thing that I thought that I was supposed to do for me that was like college climb the corporate ladder had the job that on paper made sense I looked around and I was like crap this is not it like I knew that it wasn't aligned but the problem was and I feel like a lot of people can resonate with this where on paper everything made sense where I was working at Google was my last corporate job I was making six figures at 23 years old I had a lot of upward trajectory in my career and I didn't have a bad boss I didn't have an experience like you did Heather you know in the corporate world I like everything made sense I liked my co-workers and stuff but like there was this like gut

feeling that was like something is off like there's a different path for you and this is not it that's why you're ugly crying on your bathroom floor feeling like something's wrong with you it's because you're just on the wrong path so I started a business on the side way back then 2014 it was in network marketing that took off really quickly because I did it in a way it was different than how everybody else was doing it and I think this core belief that I've had for my entire business and honestly even in my life is if something's not being represented the way you think it should and it's kind of bugging you it's probably because you're supposed to be the representation so that network marketing business was a lot of like stay-at-home moms building this business and I was like well that's not me maybe I can attract a bunch of people that are working corporate jobs and like they just want to have like a

little side hustle because they want to dip their toe into entrepreneurship that turned into 4,000 people and speaking on massive stages and earning several million dollars and then that gut feeling came back up again my husband who was at Miu dental school at the time we moved to San Diego and I was like I don't want to do this anymore but on paper again it made so much sense when you're at the top of your game and you're getting a lot of like external validation but you're also making a lot of money and you're making a lot of impact and you feel pretty good it seems confusing to know that you want something else um but I decided to start a podcast my show and power her which you were one of like the first 10 guests on that show you've been on it so many times but like you were one of the I think the first 10 to 15 guests on that show which is so wild um way back at the end of 2018 and again I think people

resonated with it and why it took off pretty quickly is because it was very transparent and open I didn't try to pretend like I knew what I was doing I was kind of lost figuring out what was next for me career-wise and business-wise because I knew I wanted to make a pivot from that network marketing company so I was like let me just pull back the curtain and share what's going on and figure out how to build confidence and have like authors on my show that wrote books about that and just like be really honest about my journey and people just were like this girl get it feels like she's my girlfriend turned into creating courses helping podcasters big events Retreats and then eventually real estate investing too so a lot of pivots um but it's all been very intuitively just like doing it my way and just kind of drowning out the noise from people that are saying this is the way you should do

it you know yeah but so break down for us because I've been where you're saying like it looks good on paper but I didn't leave I stayed because I was like it looks good on paper it is good like stop complaining Heather no there like I can remember not really being happy going to work in corporate and saying like something's off I know something's wrong I know something's more and then be like no no no stop like Focus you have a great job be grateful for what you have so how do you like take I meant well with what I was saying but I didn't have that knowledge or or that intu you had or I didn't listen like what's what's the difference yeah so I always ask myself like when I've been doing something for a long time whether it's a pivot that I'm making in my current business from like offers products programs Services whatever I'm always asking myself number one like have I done this long enough to know if I'm

pivoting because I'm just bored of it or because something's more aligned for me or if I'm just like sucking at it because I'm new at it for example if you're starting something brand new and you're like I know that I want to do something else like maybe I'll just get rid of this thing and start something new it's often because like you suck at the beginning of anything so I've always like trying to take into consideration like have I done something long enough to know that it's not aligned for me and I've gotten past the stage of like I'm not very good at it now I've put more reps in so I got better at it and I can say this is not align for me um and then in the actual like corporate world I honestly like have such a core belief that our days are numbered here and we don't know the count so I just don't want to waste time I've had two friends die at age 30 one from ovarian cancer and one that fell out of a window freak

accident um my husband lost his dad in 2021 so like the fragility of life is like so so real and we talk about this but to me I'm like if I don't love it if it's not making the impact that I want to make if it doesn't feel aligned and if it's sucking my soul then I like I'm moving on and I just believe in my ability to figure things out because I keep confidence and like building confidence as like the foundation of everything I'm doing doing next you know oh my gosh it's so so good and um we all need to think more like you because you're so right and I don't think that's wild to have lost two friends at 30 ISM you know I'm 50 this year and I'll tell you I've started seeing people in my Sphere not people that super super close but like people I went to high school with passing away and you're right it really makes you pause and say like were they living the life that they were meant to live like you am curious about

that stuff and because it relates back to you to really question yourself like are you living to your fullest are are you living the purpose that you were supposed to be here for so thank you for sharing that um okay so I want to get into what's interesting to me is clearly I have not made the right Life Choices thus far on Partner clearly you have and I'm so interested in the way that you supported your husband you guys have an incredible relationship you've been together for so long how you Ed him and getting him to transition or encouraging him to make a huge life transition which ended up being such a blessing and a gift yeah so my husband is Persian so his parents are both first generation immigrants to the US so from his perspective he always said that like he felt this pressure to be like a doctor a dentist a lawyer an engineer he chose dentist and he went through dental school and as soon as he became a

dentist like I could tell right away that he was not excited about it and we kind of rote it off to you know when you're not excited about something it's often because you're not that good at it yet right where it's like it's it's so much more fun to do things that you're great at so we kind of let him take the time to put in more reps and see if he you know as he got better and just got to like practice his skill set if that was when it would feel more exciting but ultimately he knew that it wasn't aligned but he wasn't ready to admit it yet so we moved from San Diego to Austin for him to try out a different clinic and I had an online business so I could kind of go anywhere we moved to Austin he had like the perfect Clinic that he was working at he had great hours great pay great career trajectory and one day I got back from speaking at an event and I walked in he was like k um I'm pouring

us a glass of wine and like we need to talk about something I was like oh okay and he he tells me I want to quit dentistry and I was like hell yes like please please please quit and honestly the real reason was kind of like a couple parts one was I just knew that he didn't like it and we have been together since we were 19 years old we've been together for 16 years he's my favorite person on the planet I just don't want him to you know not be excited about what he's doing in his life number two I don't want to be married to someone who doesn't love what they're doing in their life because that massively impacts me and then I didn't want him to be an example to our future kids which we didn't have then um of someone who wasn't excited and just would come home every single day like WP wamp wamp about his life I'm like that's not what I signed up for um also because I know how smart and capable he is that anything he

puts his mind to that he would be ridiculous successful at he just needed the permission slip that like he needed to give it to himself but because he had never stepped outside of this very linear path like he almost needed an overly enthusiastic person saying like let's go to just remind him that like he could do this he wanted to be a quote unquote real estate investor and quit Dentistry so he quit two weeks later he his dad gets cancer and we fly up to Seattle where we're from and he spends the next 12 weeks by his side um he moved from like the hospital to hospice you know only child his parents were divorced like he was like the primary caretaker it was like jolting he had already left Dentistry two weeks before that and made that decision but I think it really stamped into like both of us the need that like you don't want to get to the end of your TBD amount of days here with Coulda would have should has

wondering what would have happened his dad had big plans of like retiring and then like traveling the world and doing all these things that he just didn't get to do because he died and like that sounds again so heavy but it was like so important for us to realize like he had made that decision on his own and then once he had once this happened to his dad it was like okay like whatever I want to build like whatever my dream is and for him it was real estate investing so he stumbled so much and I want to um acknowledge this because one of the most difficult Parts about being in a relationship with someone who is stepping into entrepreneurship when you've been the entrepreneur longer is I wanted to help him bypass some of the roadblocks but the roadblocks and figuring out how to to get through them are what helps you build up the confidence and also like feel proud of yourself and I was I was like robbing

him of a lot of that because like no you should be just be doing it this way do it this way do it this way good intention but like really freaking annoying and he would say to me he was like Kisha you know I feel like I'm a really good swimmer but I just got dropped into an ocean and I have no idea what direction to swim and I would have to stop myself instead of giving him like some action plan like I would to someone I was coaching I was like good like you're in the game Bab like you got this I'll like stand on the side and like cheer for you um and eventually that led us into the real estate path where you know now we have a bunch of rental properties we have long-term rentals midterm rentals luxury airbeam bees um and he's basically like the COO of this business and he loves it and it's freaking awesome so you see a significant change in your husband the man who would go to work and be like not

loving his job to let now he's completely into it well and also like I mean we have a one-year-old at the time that we're recording this and it's like the lifestyle that we would have had if he had to be rushing to do root canal when we're still not sleeping through the night like our son still wakes up in the middle of the night so it's like can you imagine like a sleep deprived dentist like like doing root canals and leaving at 8 A.M leaving me with a baby like I can imagine that it would have resulted to a certain degree in some resentment of feeling like I had to give up my business for him to go be a dentist and him not even loving it so it's like again like you can't connect the dots until you're looking backwards but I see like he had to get uncomfortable he had to also try out different environments to make sure that it was like actually not the right career path for him I think there are

probably some people listening in that it's like maybe you're a director of marketing at a company and you need to make sure that before you just walk away from that you go try being a director of marketing at a company that solves a different problem or that's a different environment to see if it's an environment problem versus just a career problem and I think because he had the experience of trying out different types of clinics he felt confident enough to even say he didn't love it cuz like truth of the matter dental school 77 Grand a year tuition for four years um you know eight years of his life in like the education space and when he left so many people were like what are you going to do to like pay off your student loans and I was like you could pay off student loans for dental school with other businesses that aren't Dentistry like any type of money can pay off loans like we'll just go build the money somewhere

else you know so I think like the truth of all of this is like sitting here now I have so much gratitude for him being willing to say what he that he didn't want what you know so many people were clapping for like look you did this thing you're this dentist and look you're super be so proud of yourself but like he didn't love it and he had the courage to say it but to be really honest in particular for any of the entrepreneurs that are listening into this we often talk about the doors that we're opening for a future version of ourselves elves or the impact that we can make or the impact that we can make on our kids but I did not know when I became an entrepreneur and started to build this business that I would be opening up a door for a future version of my husband that I didn't even know that he would one day want to have the option to like walk through the fact that he even knew that financially he

could leave because I had a business that was making way more than his General career was and I was like super excited to have him leave you know it's so incredible it's a good point you just don't know who you're going to impact and it might not be the person or in the ways that you think but the example is always what actually does the impact not what we say or how we encourage people with our words yeah yeah and just the knowing too where it's like you like he knew that we financially would be fine if he left and like I think that gave him the ability to even let his brain which is so much more analytical than my brain I'm so much more like jump and then that will appear like super comfortable with risk like I'll just build play on the way down like that type of thing but he is like I mean he's a logical analytical guy like he became a dentist cuz he like likes biochemistry and like and you know so it was a big

thing for him to leave um but it's been so incredible in our life now it's so interesting because I have to imagine especially with his background his Heritage that there's these level of expectations and not everybody had I I can't imagine not everyone was happy when he made the decision to to leave Dentistry how did he handled that did he kind of just like put blinders on say I'm just gonna this is my made my decision I'm not letting people um get me to second guess yeah I think he was really impacted by the fact that people that he thought would really be supportive weren't supportive in particular family uh and I was like remember like you're not living like you wouldn't want to trade places with them like you don't want the life that they're living and they can only give advice from their perspective and I think often we like to say like oh people don't support me like screw the naysayers blah blah blah but I'm like

what if we just frame this as they want to support you but they've never done what you want to do they don't feel like they can give you advice so you're just going to have to go do it on your own without their support and one day they'll come back around and that's exactly what happened is like they like especially some of his family was openly very unsupportive of this decision and I was like well good thing it's just the two of us living together because like I'm super supportive I've got you and I knew that my role was like to Super hype him up as he was also grieving the loss of his dad and trying to figure out how to navigate all of this um so I think it's like drowning out the noise a little bit and knowing that like most often the people that are giving you negative feedback is just because they haven't done what you want to do like you and I were talking before we started it's like the podcasting space and some

of the things that we're doing business-wise where both of us are like who can we connect you with and like how can I support you what's going on because people that have done things that you want to do or in the arena doing it with you they want to support you because they know how hard it is when you're first starting so he had to to get really intentional about drowning out that noise I took a big hype role and then we really quickly connected him to other people that were in the space like emphasizing like going to Real Estate meetups and just like finding people that were doing what he wanted to do so he understood like how to get more comfortable with risk and have like people that he could bounce ideas off of and um then we moved to Denver and there's a huge real estate Community here in Denver and we plugged right into that and made a a bunch of like close friends so that was super super helpful

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yourself to how excited you start becoming and the possibilities I said this to my business partner yesterday I happened to be in person with her I leave every in person meeting with her so hyped because she's ahead of where I am am and so she's always like of course this is possible what are you talking about like don't question that of course we'll do that and just having that Assurance of another person who's been the places you want to go suddenly makes it so Crystal Clear so thank you for sharing that all right tell me a little bit about this whole idea of being a beginner and sucking at first because it's interesting that you've gone through it so many times yourself because you've done so many things new and like you almost get excited about it but also watching your husband do it I I would imagine that's even harder cuz someone you love and you care for that you want to help so I think what's

interesting is we talk often about not comparing ourselves to other people but what I've struggled with more is comparing myself to a prior version of myself when the circumstances were different right so like for example when we had our son and I decided I was going to start going back into work and like starting to host like Retreats and events or whatever I was going to start doing and I thought that I could approach it the same way that I did before having a baby so I was trying to compare myself in this current new mom version who's like hormones are all over the place like super sleep deprived of like this is how I'm going to approach business because you know four months ago before I had this baby like I was able to do this so I should be able to do it now St rules apply with doing anything new where it's like you know my first business in network marketing I'm making like three or 400 Grand a year

speaking on these huge stages like know what I'm doing and then I decide to start a membership for my podcast community and I was like riding on an easel with a sharpie and I was like like I don't know what I'm doing I feel so stupid doing this it was a $17 a month membership so like the Delta of the amount of money that I was making like I was just like I don't know what I'm doing like it's so much easier to go back to the familiar because when you do something at the very beginning you just nobody gets to skip the stage where you just suck it's like part for the course you know where like of course as you keep putting your reps in like you're going to get better and you're going to feel more confident but I think like I always have to keep in mind like I've never done this thing in this season of life before ever right like as a mom with a one-year-old like everything is drastically different like I don't sleep

eight hours every night anymore that's a huge part of like my productivity and my energy so it's like anyone that's listening into this is like making sure that like your success criteria for the season of life and also your tenure with the thing that you're doing whether it's a new career or it's a new business or it's a new offer or product program service in your business your first time public speaking you're so sweaty and awkward you have no idea if you're going to like puke or like whatever what's going to happen but after you put a couple reps in like okay I've got the experience from my past that I can look back on and say see last time I did this thing it worked out and I think sometimes we just don't give ourselves Grace and we beat ourselves up because it's like we forget to take into consideration the season and I know like this is huge for me right now because I'm like a one-year-old is so different

where like I can jump on a plane and go kyot at an event and come home and he's not saying to me Mom I wish you stayed home you know two years from now that could be a different conversation when I have a three-year-old like am I going to make choices in my business well I'm not going to worry about a future version of me's problems right now I'm just going to focus on what I need to do right now to keep moving forward and adjusting as I go but I think we all need to do this as humans you know oh wow that it it's so powerful and what's weird and I'm interested to hear your perspective on this when you work in Corporate America so much of your time spent forecasting forward right it's like okay well we're in Q4 right now but we're planning for we're planning for 2025 well how are we going to hit that Mark for two Q3 Q4 and then what does that plan look like I was always spending time in the future so

much so I do believe to your point it allows for more worry because you're like well how am I gonna how I have no idea and I shouldn't be expected to know how to figure it out because technolog is going to change AI is gonna be different by then I'll have so many more tools and opportunities and bigger Network by then and what I've learned only in the past couple years having worked for myself is to trust that that's all GNA unfold but just be where I am in this moment right now and that is a discipline and a practice and I just remind myself all the time wait a minute you're worrying about something that could happen in 20 days hang on why don't you just get present in this moment and make this the best day possible something great could happen today or tomorrow that changes that whole forecast how do you set yourself up to stay in that moment yeah so I have a really interesting way that I do this

in my head on a regular basis where like when I put my feet down on the ground like I'm actually in my head like this is where you are like be present where your feet are but I have a relationship with one year ago version of me and one year Ahead version of me and I kind of toggle back and forth sometimes where like I have this perspective of like so much gratitude for the life that I'm currently living because I recognized one year ago I mean actually full like right now one year ago I was like waiting for this baby to come out who was like six days past his due dat and like remember just like wishing for this life that I currently have now and the opportunities that I have now the network that I have and the income and the impact that I've made like I know how much work I had to do to get to this current stage that I'm at so I can feel gratitude for that prior version of me and then I also recognized that one year

ahead from me is going to be able to look back on this exact version of me now and like what gifts am I gifting to her right like what confidence does she have like what connections does she have like what type of impact is she making what opportunities does she have like how is she showing up the world what type of marriage does she have what's her health like because of the actions that I'm taking so instead of getting too worried about like you know especially people that listen into this podcast it's like like you and I Heather it's like we have such big visions of like things that we want to do and like the world is at our fingertips like let's go let's take it to the Moon that can also be really overwhelming if we get caught up in the distance between where we are now and where we want to go but instead I just write it off right now where I'm like of course I have no idea how the hell I'm going to do that

but that's why I need the space the distance between where I am now and where I want to go that's like my qualification period where I Stumble and I learn the grit and resourcefulness and then I meet that person that I need and then I connect with this person and I do XYZ like that's what the whole path is for but it's difficult because we live in this like instant gratification Amazon Prime culture where we're socialized to believe that if we get something more quickly it means it's more desirable or we should be more proud of oursel everybody celebrating how fast someone did something but in reality If we're honest with oursel and I know Heather like you're So Into Fitness I feel like this is a good example for everyone is like a lot of people would be like I want to lose 15 pounds tomorrow it's like okay if you lost 15 pounds tomorrow would you actually be able to maintain that would

you have the habits and the Stress Management tools and the workout routine and the accountability and would you be eating well no what would happen is you would lose 15 pounds and you would gain it all back and probably some more because you didn't build up the ecosystem to support it with like your habits right so it's like we almost need to just start to get more obsessed with the like the process C of getting there rather than just what the process could produce or the end goal so that we don't get anxious overwhelmed all the time doubt ourselves and so that like we just enjoy our days because we don't know how many we have you know it's so interesting and I have to express to you like what you just said who it reminds me of Gary B um as you know he was my first guest here on the show and him explaining to me like you have to enjoy the journey and you know what's funny is I wrote this um post right after he

explained that to me and I was like yeah easy for him to say because he's already at the highest like he's like got the biggest podcast in the world like he's got more views than anyone he's got more you know whatever written more books blah blah blah so he's done all the things that I want to do and I I remember thinking like the journey is hard like it is hard but twoyear Point like the the longer I'm on this planet the more I'm starting to realize giving yourself Grace being in that present moment and part of that is seeing like what good thing is happening today that I can focus on be grateful for because this journey is actually where it's all at like so little of it and I remember I relate it to the come up in Corporate America the come up for me was like oh my gosh you know probably my early 20s until my early 30 like a decade like really like where I'm climbing ladder before I hit the top in

Corporate America and made it to the Sea suite and I'll tell you like that grind was hard but I now I look back I learned so much I met so many incredible people I did have so many unbelievable experiences I don't know that I was really enjoying it because I was so focused on I got to break this class ceing I got to get in there and so I've sort of learn from that that okay I'm gonna get to where I want to go I know that I have total belief and faith I can see it I know it's happening I don't know how it's happening I don't know when it's happening but I'm Coming For You future me future accomplishments I got to start celebrating these wins along the way and it's like a new discipline like it's I don't know it's still it's elusive to me it's not easy every day yeah yeah it it's one of those things where like all of us have the double-edged sword of like our strengths where for me like I'm probably one of

the most like optimistic happy go-lucky excitable people that I literally know but on the flip side of that is if I'm bored I have to get so good at like standing like staying in the mundane unsexy like doing the Reps because I get shiny object syndrome we like oh that looks like that could be more fun that could be more fun that would be more energizing so it's like all of us have our own thing like you are super super goal oriented we like I will do the [ __ ] whatever I need to do to get me where I want to go like I'm in it blinders on you're like my husband in that way where it's like this is the goal see the goal hit the goal Go versus me I'm like but it's going to be so fun along the way which I think that Joy part is so required but it's also everything has its double-edged sword where you can miss some of the joy along the way if you're not intentional I can miss getting to the goal if I let myself

squirrel with all these like squirrels raving in my brain like Kaa do this do this do this it's like no Focus so every personality type right has its things that we have to work on oh that's it's so so true but I I'm appreciating you explain that because I didn't realize so much of it was personality till you just broke it down but you're right and there literally kid you're one1 so you're like the only one on the planet like that and it needs to be celebrated okay so T talk to me a little bit about we were talking offline about the beginning of your entrepreneurial career involved being in an MLM and when you brokee down for me what's happened happened over the last couple years I was shocked I had no idea and I want you to share with everybody so people can understand why it's important to set themselves up for not just having one job one Revenue stream because you put yourself at risk in such

a big way yeah oh my gosh this is like one of my favorite topics to jam about in so many different ways so for context for people that don't know network marketing like MLM structures basically how it works is instead of a company having brick and mortar locations they have representatives and different uh companies they're called different things I my first network marketing company that I worked with and the only one I've ever worked with was called Beachbody people are probably familiar with like 21 day fixed Insanity P90X these are some of the workout programs that they created well back in the day they had a network marketing model where you made income based off of selling like subscriptions to their workouts or their supplements or their shakes but you also made money off of the volume of people that were in your organization so as you help people learn how to build their business that's where the

multi-level marketing like comes so what they just did um a couple weeks ago is Beachbody announced as many other network marketing companies have announced like there's been like five or six major ones that have announced this in the last like year or two that they switched from that network marketing model where you're paid out based off of your team volume and like recruiting people in to a direct affiliate model meaning like you've got a code that people use or a link that people use and you just get paid a percentage off of someone buying the product so for people that built up massive teams or spent like and there's some people in Beachbody that spent decades building up thousands and thousands and thousands of people teams their income is gone come January 1st um except for if they want to sign up for this affiliate model which like the for sake of example that would be like 5% of their total income

compared to what they used to make so why that's important obviously there's some people listening into this that maybe you are interested in network marketing I actually do think it's a really awesome business model in that like I started in that and it was like my gateway drug into entrepreneurship and I was able to leverage my experience there to take those skills and then go build my own thing it's a lot easier to build a network marketing business but you don't own it so it's just keeping in mind that at any point in time the company can change the structure just like my personal beliefs are that a W2 job is not any safer than being an entrepreneur because at any point in time a company can restructure layoffs can happen so I think this experience of like you know thinking about my husband was a dentist during Co when Co happened in California they closed down all offices you could only do emergency

procedures so his income was basically gone we would have been totally screwed if we were completely relying on that and then thinking of like this network marketing model like closing their doors and people that had all their eggs in that basket what that looks like um I think of friends of mine that are like you know executive level at corporations that like layoffs happen and restructures happen and it's like I think why I don't say that to scare people but in a way I do think it's really valuable for all all of us to understand that no one stream of income is safe not being just a business owner with one product program or service not being a W2 owner not network marketing not insert anything and it's like how can we diversify and start to give oursel more streams of income so that we're safe should like the economy change or should our circumstances or honestly even our desires change like

how can we set ourselves up more for success and I've been thinking about this since I left network marketing in 2019 um I've been thinking like there's no way that that will continue and I was wrong that it took so much longer for it actually totally to like be gone um but this has always been in the back of my mind well one of the things you were talking about was with your son Brody and how obviously your life has changed so much I mean from becoming a mother is just like I I believe it's probably the biggest shift that any woman will go through right like in your life from being an individual just has to take care of yourself to all of a sudden having a second person is wild and incredible um as you know and are so excited about it it's amazing but now that you know when you were explain to me setting yourself up so that you could take a break from business which is incredible and I'm so happy you were

able to do that one of the ways you were able to do that is because years ago you started saying I want to diversify and set myself so how how did you set yourself up or that and then how do you move forward now that you have a child how does that all change yeah so um what you're referring to is like when I was working on as an entrepreneur I had a bunch of different products programs and services and everything that I did required me so you know podcasting for my own show and you know hosting big events and Retreats and speaking and courses that I was on for um I really liked what I was doing business-wise though so I wasn't really interested in like creating a bunch of like Evergreen courses and stuff like that because I loved getting to intimately work with people and I love in-person events so I love hosting them but like there was no way for me to take myself out of my business and I saw that as a problem for

giving me future options but I also like didn't want to change it because I loved what I was doing so instead I was like what if we used this business to fuel another business that didn't require my face my voice my time me physically being there so instead what we started to do is take all of the revenue that was coming in from like courses memberships you know events sponsorships on podcast all that we took all that revenue and I basically just passed it to my husband Cena who had left industry and was in real estate investing and we would just buy properties so in the last yeah two and a half years now we've bought seven different investment properties the first Airbnb that we bought here in Denver made more than he made as a dentist and we were like oh baby we're on to something and it was so fun and it was so creative um because we looked at the market here in Denver when we first got into real estate investing

and we're like there's a need for like bachelorette party Retreat themed houses why is there not that many of these in Denver so we created one it crushed we're like okay let's figure out how we can do the next one we did the next one we're like okay now let's go to the mountains let's do like an aame let's do the next one and like we've just been kind of scaling taking one property getting it up and running then moving it doing the next property and now we're sitting here with this awesome Investment Portfolio that spits off enough enough cash flow that it gives us a lot more optionality of what we want to do next so I share that because I think that like there are some people that are listening into this that are really relying on something being safe and like the economy changes and markets change and like things change all the time in business and definitely in the corporate structure too that it's like

what could you do on the side or how could you like set yourself up if you're a dual income household how could you take one income and start using that to start like diversifying on the side or building a personal brand or starting a podcast or creating something outside of what you're doing so that if one of these like really blows up you have another stream that you could pour into so you're not having to like come from this desperation place but you're doing it because you can kind of funnel from one to the other you know it's so smart and not taught in schools and no one's and you're not watching people when you are in corporate it's not really talked about what if people were doing it I didn't know anybody was people just talked about your 9 to5 and you're 401k and like just kind of more the standard or or more Antiquated way of looking at it and the ways that you're talking about it's literally the options are

Limitless and because of the learning industry and people like you and your husband teaching people through podcast how to do this there the information's out there people are teaching it people are often doing it many times through podcast for free like you are you know what are some of the experiences you've had teaching people how to do the same things that you're doing yeah so from a real estate perspective I think it feels really nerve-wracking for people because it's such a big investment like buying a property but like what I always remind people is like everything that's ever broken on a house has broken before right and with like changes in technology and stuff it's like I will bet forever that physical people need physical houses to live in so it doesn't matter what happens with AI or different Industries like you know I was talking with one of my friends that's in the recruiting space which is what I was in

way back at Google in 2014 the recruiting industry is going to change so drastically in a couple years because of AI so it's like looking at your own job and looking at your own business and being like what could change based off of the way that like the world is going and asking yourself like am I willing to get like uncomfortable with something like real estate investing and like learning how to diversify like my income can I get a little bit uncomfortable doing that or am I going to be really damn uncomfortable later if like my job is gone and I just I care about this because like I just be like I just truly believe that we're here on this planet all of us to live lives that we're obsessed with and I want people to have options and the freedom that comes from like really diversifying yourself like from an income perspective means you get to spend the time doing the things that you want to be doing and if you have a

shitty boss or you hate where you're at like you have the option that you could leave and you could like at least float yourself for a few months while you found something else you don't have to stay in environments that are sucking your soul um so from a tactical perspective I think it's like figuring out what type of asset class that you're interested in like we talk a lot about short-term rental because we are big in the short-term rental space we've also done midterm rentals which are like 30day plus days we have a long-term rental property and like starting to just think like what am I curious about and then asking the people that you're connected to if anyone else is curious about that because so often we tell ourselves a story like oh I don't have the capital to invest in real estate where it's like I bet you you might have someone that you went to college with that you worked out in a previous job

that you're connected with now that might have the capital but they don't want to operate the deal or maybe you're really good at finding the deal but somebody else can you know fund the deal or maybe you can fund the deal and somebody else can find the deal like there's so many different components of this and so I just want to encourage people that it's like the thing that's stopping you there's solution to that thing and sometimes you just have to raise the necessity to actually want to go do it because you have to picture a future where like you have more options because you did this now you know that's the sound of another sale on Shopify and the moment another business stream becomes a reality your reality Shopify is a Commerce platform revolutionizing millions of businesses worldwide including mine whether you're selling your Mastermind your courses whether you're selling your books Shopify

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weird that I thought that way back then and I don't want him to think that way right because that's not true that was a lie I was telling myself um there's it's Limitless the options that you have I couldn't work in the media industry so what right that's like one tiny industry anyhow it's all how you perceive things he gets his PSAT scores back the other day and they weren't bad they weren't horrible they weren't great right they were they're okay clearly I was not worried it's the first time we ever took the test and I said let me know what you think and he's like I think it's you know it's fine I said right I said so do you think we should get a tutor or put you in one of these classes that you know so that you can get some reps in so you don't have to be a beginner at it so you won't suck next time and he said um I don't know I don't know that I need it you know because what 17-year-old boy

wants to take a PSAT class right I I get that I'm I'm cut from the same oldold I'd rather be out having fun so I said okay let me just explain one thing to you a year from now do you want to have a ton of options Available to You by way of different universities that you got into or do you want to kind of be like oh shoot I only got into one I guess that's one I have to go to and he's like well obviously I want all of the options I'm like great so if we take it on the chin right now and do something hard taking a class for eight weeks or whatever it is and it's gonna suck a little bit it's not like something you're excited about that's gonna unlock all these opportunities is that pain right now worth that reward for a year from now and he's like oh yeah it is and it was it was just like this great teaching moment for him to say yeah you're right I don't want to do it but now suddenly I'm raising my hand I do

want to do it I want the options yeah it I mean that's such a good lesson for all of us regardless of like age or stage of life where it's like going back to like what are you gifting to a future version of You Are you going to feel more stuck are because like the thing is too there are some people listening into this I know that are in stages that you and I have both been in where it's like I have this thing that I want to do like uh but insert like this habit of hesitation like next year next month or I'll get to it or down the road or eventually and it's like I just don't want someone listening into this to have this thing that they want to do this change that they want to make and then know that one year from now they're going to be in the same place because that's one year of action that you could have taken that's going to get you closer to the vision that you have but also like one year

that you sat there waiting on the sidelines watching other people do the thing that you wanted to do when they're not any more capable than you are they just decided to go and suck and put their reps in and now you're comparing yourself to them because they're good because they sucked at the beginning while you were just waiting you know oh my gosh it's so obvious you got to show up and suck at first all right talk to us a little bit about you had so many options because you set yourself up this way by doing the putting the Reps and taking the risk and betting on yourself you had so many options after having Brody what is it about the Empower her podcast that made you want to lean back there yeah so I started the podcast you know like we mentioned at the end of 2018 and the whole idea behind it was it was going to be this very come with me let's figure out life together type of show rather than like a look at me I've

got this all figured out because I was craving it like I remember so many podcasters at that time it felt like they were giving advice in hindsight like back when I was in that season of life or in my marriage or in my career in my business here's what I did and because I'm five years removed from it let me tell you about it now which is so helpful I've learned so much from people that are a couple steps down the road I mean I've learned so much from you being a couple steps down the road in different areas and stuff but it's like it it's interesting because I was craving someone that was like ugly crying on their bathroom floor with me that was like what do I do now I don't know what's next like crap like I just I really wanted it to be like almost like we were girlfriends chatting I used to always talk about it on the show where I was like it's like we're girlfriends chatting over spicy Margaritas like that

was the vibe that I wanted it to be because I think we're just supposed to create what we wish existed so I was like why do people not have podcast like this I was like well shoot I guess you know it's not being represented the way I want I guess I'm supposed to be the representation so what's been interesting about about this journey now you know you and I both having shows for such a long time is like especially becoming a mom I've evolved so much and I truly gave myself full permission to play out every option of what I could do next where I was like do I want to be a stay-at home mom I played that out for like five minutes and I realized that is not aign for me I played out like should I just burn everything to the ground and start something completely brand new should I jump into this real estate business that we have and just go full send in that with my husband that doesn't really feel aligned like I

played out to the end like pros and cons of like every single thing of what was next and I was like what's always true to me is like I love bringing people along on the ride and peeling back the curtain and talking about the things that most people aren't willing to talk about and like I I was so open and transparent about my journey of like what am I doing with my business do I burn it down and move to a deserted island and work at a tiki hot like what do I do um and I think a lot of people resonate with that and that's where I feel like the most at home is when I'm just being myself rather than having to feel feel like I'm posturing like I'm an expert and I'm an expert in certain things but like the podcast It Feels So conversational and fun for me so like I'm excited to kind of like lean back that direction and start really like asking what is it that that Community wants again I've always created from a

place of like what problems does my community have that I'm most excited to solve like oo I'll create courses events insert whatever for them so like I'm excited to kind of like feel like myself again after this like weird journey of postpartum and now back into it oh you're so back and better than ever I am so proud of you and I'm so grateful that you're leaning into the show that people worship that show and I'm so grateful to be a guest on it guys you got to check out the episode I'm on case's show and I can't wait for you to listen to it on power herb podcast I'm gonna link the show in the show notes below and I just want to tell you I'm proud of you I love you and thank you for doing all the great things that you're doing this world needs you so big thank you I love you girl thank you so much all right guys check out and her podcast check out my episode let me know what you think and until next week keep creating your

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This discussion centers on Kacia Ghetmiri, a dynamic podcaster and entrepreneur known for her top-rated personal growth podcast, "Empower Her," which has garnered over 11 million downloads. The conversation highlights her journey in life, motherhood, and business, including her success in real estate investments and her dedication to empowering women to launch and monetize their own podcasts and…

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