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Diana: The Musical LIVE! (HDTGM Matinee)

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Diana: The Musical LIVE! (HDTGM Matinee)", an episode of How Did This Get Made? published November 18, 2025 (1 h 8 min, about 12,350 words). It mentions 15 people, works and ideas, including Camila, Diana the Musical, June, James Huitt, James Hwitt.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Diana the Musical, Jason Manzuk, June Diane Rafio
  2. – 20:00: Camila, Camila Parker, Diana the Musical, James Huitt
  3. – 30:00: Camila
  4. – 40:00: Diana the Musical, David Bryan, James Huitt
  5. – 50:00: James Hwitt, Buckingham Palace, James Huitt, Eve Fineberg
  6. – 1:00:00: Camila, Paul Burrell, Serpentine Gallery
  7. – 1:08:28: Camila, Camila Parker, Diana the Musical

Notable quotes from "Diana: The Musical LIVE! (HDTGM Matinee)"

  • You know what that means. WE SAW DIANA THE MUSICAL.
    about Diana the Musical · at
  • And there are two great people to talk about it with. Please welcome to the stage my co-host Jason Manzuk.
    about Jason Manzuk · at
  • She's my other co-host. Please welcome June Diane Rafio.
    about June Diane Rafio · at
  • I will tell you who I liked. I will tell you who I liked. Camila Parker BS.
    about Camila · at
  • Well, that's what I'm saying. I want this introduction to the hunk known as James Huitt.
    about James Huitt · at
  • His name is David Bryan. And yeah, so these guys I think had they also wrote this cuz I was going to say it had like real like rock and roll music vibes, you.
    about David Bryan · at
  • And James Hwitt wrote a book about Diana, too. And he was kind of really out. I did a little deep dive on James Huitt because I was who is this hunky dude? And he seems to.
    about James Hwitt · at
  • I GOT TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF. THAT'S BUCKINGHAM PALACE. I SEE A [ __ ] GATE.
    about Buckingham Palace · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Camila — Person · 13 mentions · first at
  • June — Person · 5 mentions
  • James Huitt — Person · 4 mentions · first at
  • James Hwitt — Person · 3 mentions · first at
  • Camila Parker — Person · 2 mentions · first at
    I will tell you who I liked. I will tell you who I liked. Camila Parker BS.
  • Jason Manzuk — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • June Diane Rafio — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • David Bryan — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Eve Fineberg — Person · 1 mention · first at
    I do feel I know a couple of stage designers. I do feel Eve Fineberg, someone I went to high school with.
  • Paul Burrell — Person · 1 mention · first at
    So, this is okay, Paul Burrell, that's her close friend and confidant. In an interview after the princess died, Burell spoke about how Diana felt humiliated after Charles.
  • Joe DiPietro — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

Places & events

  • Buckingham Palace — Place · 2 mentions · first at
  • Serpentine Gallery — Place · 1 mention · first at
    The evening that Charles's interviewed aired, Diana was scheduled to appear at the annual Serpentine Gallery summer party and nearly did not go. According to Burell, he talked…

Full transcript with timestamps

Just because you are singing words doesn't mean it's a song. You know what that means. WE SAW DIANA THE MUSICAL. So you know what that means. native baby just see that show in the back you move all the way to the road street just to punch the life how we stay alive they call me a bad ass and he's on the line breaking 18 minutes cuz they cool as Cuz looking kind of nice is getting lane showing movies. There's a real question. Hello people of Earth. Hello people of Los Angeles. We are live at Largo, our LA home. A HOME where musical theater reigns supreme.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about a musical that makes you think that Cats is genius. Truly watching this, I had so many thoughts and we're going to get into those thoughts. But if you did not see Diana the musical on Broadway or Netflix, they're the same. Um, with a exception of a couple weird camera angles that are so jarring to make the audience very unnerved. Um, what do you need to know? Well, imagine a very creative sixth or seventh grader who decided to do a report on Princess Diana and said, "I'm going to make my book report different. I'll make it one where I sing." That's all you need to know. So, it is about that level. It covers the entire life of Diana or at least from 19 till the end. And wow, they they merged some [ __ ] together in ways that are shocking. I think she has two babies in in the same song.

But again, there's so much to get into and there are two great people to talk about it with. Please welcome to the stage my co-host Jason Manzuk. What's up, JERKS? [screaming]

WOW. WOW. SHOW OF HANDS OR CLAPPING. WHO IS HERE for Stone Cold? Why are we being punished? We saw greatness and then you give us this. This movie is a war crime. Jason,

TAKE THIS MOVIE TO THE H. This musical adaptation of a Broadway stage show is a war crime.

You know how I feel about musicals. I KNOW YOU LOVE THEM. NEVER, MAN. NEVER MIND FAILED ONES. This This is I looked it up. I looked it up. A Wikipedia entry set to song. That's all it is. That's now I'm here doing this. UH-OH. SPAGHETTIOS. WHAT? WHAT IS THIS MOVIE?

REFERENCES. This was pulled from this novel. Um, every footnotes. Footnote. Ibid.

This is clearly the British Hamilton. I will not take no for an answer about it. By the way, I would believe that. I would believe if you told me that the UK had embraced this and it was it was the biggest musical there, I would be like, "Those [ __ ] idiots." The UK even said, "Fuck this musical." But anyway, there's one person who has seen this musical, not once, but twice. She's my other co-host. Please welcome June Diane Rafio.

How are you, June? I'm okay. How are you, Paul? I'm well, thank you for asking. June, twice.

So, I saw it once. I saw the whole thing. And ain't in the theater. No, I saw the the motion picture.

It's a movie. Is it? I actually want to get into that in a second. Ideally, it shouldn't be defined as a movie.

It's more of like a presentation. Yes. I'm telling you, it is a book report set to music. Like, if a sixth grade kid did this, you'd be like, "Whoa, you are you if you went to school, you might have something."

I don't know the name of any of the actors in it. They're all doing their absolute best. But if you told me this was filmed by their parents,

I would believe you. If you told me this was filmed by the actor's parents being like, "Great job, hun," I would believe you because this felt like absolute nonsense and like a high school production.

I'm going to report from my second viewing right now. Okay, so now I have now I'm wearing the hat of someone who's seen it twice.

And I got to tell you guys, cuz I bet everybody just saw it once. Well, I have heard internet rumors that if you see it twice, it leads to madness.

I didn't see the whole thing twice, but I I watched it once and then I was the best parts.

I was getting ready and I thought I'm going to put it back on and I put it back on and I genuinely started to enjoy it. So, I don't know. By the way, June, tell people the the like how long it took from viewing one to viewing two.

Oh. Uh, probably about 4 hours. Yeah. Oh, whoa. Whoa. Oh, I thought you meant like you saw it weeks ago. No, no, no. No. Today.

I This is today. This is wild. This is I suspect I suspect that we could have you legally institutionalized.

We could 51 seconds right now. This is an important piece of information. I The first viewing

that's the cry for help. Okay. If there's a medical professional, a mental health professional in the house,

the first viewing I saw it in my sauna bed. So that's always going to that's always going to affect things because I'm sweating profusely. and a little out of it. This would be what you would see in like a waking dream like Yeah. It has that kind of garage and then in the light of day showered, I've eaten something.

I I I worked out and I was like, let's put it on again. And I think we should I think we should start doing live shows on stage in sauna beds in standing sauna beds just to see how the heat affects the viewing. We should be watching movies in sauna beds and then doing the podcast in sauna beds.

Or we could also have the audience in sauna. We could if we could get a sauna bed to like

or we just pump the heat up right now. Yeah. Let's hot yoga this place. This is good. I wanted to announce we are doing a a special show in Sedona. It's going to be 140° in the room.

Uh you all have to be in downward dog the entire time. the the musical starts off weird because the first song the term underestimated is said a lot and I was like that is a hard term to make like your lead thesis statement like you're open. is like, "Duh, I'm underestimating."

And I didn't know where we were finding her in that first number. Like, and I, you know, I thought the actress did just a fine job. But before we even get into the movie, I I where I'm stuck is just on the why

on the I love that. I love that. I don't want to get the starting point, but I also would I'm going to ask you right now. You just watched it twice today.

I watched it today. How many people here watched it today? Okay, that's a good bit.

Let's all we got to decide if we're going to if we're going to let's all decide we're going to clap, not raise hands

because you're [ __ ] up the system. Some of you are clapping. Some of you are raising your hands. Get it together. Choose as an audience before you come in.

Okay. Now, could anybody right now sing one of the songs? Someone can. Yeah. Oh, really? All right, hold on.

If you have some sort of relationship to it. No. Okay, great. Stand up. Stand up right now. Everyone, be as quiet as you can.

Shut your [ __ ] mouth. Don't come. Don't. You don't have to come. No notes. No notes. You stay there. I'll I'll hold the mic towards you.

Pretty pretty girl. Pretty pretty girl in a pretty pretty dress. The songs are well done.

That was that was great. Um, well, I'm going to be honest. That person made me look like a great A [ __ ]

Y, so [ __ ] you. Have Michael take him out. UH, BUT MY POINT WAS GOING TO BE HOW unmemorable every song was. The only song I truly remember is the [ __ ] you dress. The [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] because it's so crazy.

But that's not you. All you remember is that little bit of word play. You don't remember the song, right?

No, but that's what I'm saying. is songs are complicated. They are like underestimated. It's like I'm not like I can't like just gravitate to that. I tried to listen to it on Spotify on the way here.

Why? Again, I Why were you trying to drive into oncoming traffic? Well, I here is my

like there there should be a trigger warning in front of this because it might cause such desolation and despair. This is what I wanted to ask because I think it goes hand inhand with what you are asking which is pretend we know nothing about the princess at all. We don't know anything about Diana. Does this musical work to let you know who she was? And I think no. Or it gives you a very warped idea of who she is cuz she seems at points to be incredibly vindictive, then at points to be like a child, then at points to be a savior. is this movie's protagonist like what is the point of view of this movie

romance novelist Barbara oh I love Barbara is Barbara Corkran Shark Tank when she when Barbara Corkran comes back on HGTV when Barbara Corkran comes back when she comes back an hour in to the play and like oh and now this is WHAT'S GOING ON WAIT WHERE WERE YOU YOU'RE THE NARRATOR NOW

WHERE were you and that's actually like this is again I still haven't gotten an answer on just why why but

it could have been a cool device to actually tell the story as a romance novel or when Barbara's introduced to have the whole stage turn into like this crazy romance novel that she's describing but there's none of that happens again

or have her be the narrator or have her tell the story from start to finish an overarching structure that is this story is being told to someone with a point of view.

We do it with like our town, but Jason Stathithm is like, "Hey, LISTEN UP, GOVERNOR. BACK WHEN I WAS A KID, THERE WAS THIS CRAZY GAME AND HERE'S A STORY I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW." You know, something like that.

I would like you to film those pieces and somebody edit them in back. NOW, SHE DON'T TALK LIKE THAT, DOES SHE? BUT I'LL TELL YOU,

BACK TO my original question though, Paul. So, there's Diana the musical, which was on Broadway.

Well, yes, it was on broad. I can tell you that. So, that was on Broadway. Yes. It's a bold choice to record it without an audience.

For how long? Well, I mean, we can get into it. Uh, hold on. It's got to be like if it ran more than a month.

No, I'll give you $10,000. I know. I know. Uh, Nate Kylie did our research and I know that there is a couple of things here. They were just about to open and then co shut it down. So they were like, "Oh, let's tape it."

Another pandemic loss. Yeah. And then we lost so many grapes. And then when CO subsided a little bit and Broadway came back, it reopened and no one came

and then it shut down. Well, yeah, as it should. The the show is not successful. And then Netflix says, "Let's put cameras on it."

No, the show is about to open. And I think they thought they were going to get in on the ground floor. Like I think they were like this will be our Hamilton the same way that they released Hamilton uh you know the live stage version of it. Disney moved it up. So I think they were like well this cast is ready to go if we do it co safe with no

audience. But this is what I don't understand cuz there are there are musicals that they do film. So and you sometimes when you're outside of the theater you there's a little TV and they play clips from the musical and those clips actually have some energy behind them. I mean, still not the show, but it's like you can feel something.

There's an audience for most. There is an audience for I I I don't know cuz the cameras are close, but it just feels like they're performing for an audience, and it feels like there's an energy to the performance. And this

was so odd. This felt like this felt like an industrial. Yes. It felt like an industrial musical. It did not. It felt like like I said a Wikipedia entry set to music. It was it was without um emotionality for an emot such an emotional story. It was everything everybody's delivery was flat and it was just we're here to sing the plot.

But that's it joylessly. But I also feel like they did Diana dirty because dirty Diana.

Dirty Diana. Like, by the way, I did not see that coming when I said that. I I was shocked by that.

I will tell you who I liked. I will tell you who I liked. Uh, Camila Parker BS.

Okay. Yes, she is good. And uh I love that they introduce her and Charles is basically like, "You're ugly."

And I didn't mean it like that. And I was like, "WHAT THE [ __ ] IS THIS?" And he listen, I thought she was good. It's always going to be hard for me to get on board with Camila. I

Why? Why is it hard, June? Why? Well, I My understanding of it is pretty base. I don't I haven't watched The Crown. I didn't see uh you know the the uh I didn't see

Have you heard the tapes? No. Oh, what tapes? The Diana tapes. That Did you guys watch this movie?

I watched this movie. But here's what I'll say. I know astonishingly little about this story for a couple being so much in like the

And that's hard cuz now after seeing this I feel like you know less. Yes. Well, that's what I'm saying. I want this introduction to the hunk known as James Huitt.

Love James Huitt. I'm sure there are others here who know more about like the truth and and can dramatur this story better than I can, but

take your best. I well I did not know or it was new information to me that Camila kind of arranged the marriage that I thought was so I' never heard that before but maybe true maybe that is true that is true okay

yeah no here's there's a little bit there was about a 50 25 there 50% yes listen you know what I heard for the first time as though it was brand new information I had never taken in the fact that Diana was 19 and he was 32.

That was she was a virgin which I also didn't know. Yeah. Like a teenager. She was a teen.

True teenager. And she had pictures of him on her wall and that felt not true to me. But I guess because like are she longing after this man?

He's royalty and he's the prince and he's I mean he was definitely he was always an oddlooking guy but he was the prince.

Okay. Yeah. I do think she loved him. I I did not know and maybe this would have maybe this is part of if I'd watched the the Crown or something like that. I did not know that her sister had dated him prior. That's how she met and it seemed to me to be like the sister seemed to be fully dialed in on the [ __ ] of the situation.

Yeah. And I was a little bit like hey like protect Diana older sister. Yeah. Well, listen, I think I I I think that and we've seen it with Megan Markle, the family members are also so excited that the royals are coming to dinner, you know, that that they overlook a lot of the stuff.

Well, the idea was just suck it up because you are going to be and that's what the message of the I mean, it gets it gets going quick. I mean, this movie is an hour and 57 minutes. They got a cover of life and like I said they are compacting a lot of stuff in there because at you're meeting Camila they're on their first date. She's in the dress and by the way the costume changes A+. But the one thing I knew the

by the way I do want to direct everyone to an incredible performance um by the woman who directed Promising Young Woman who's Camila in the Crown.

Yes. And that scene that you you should watch that because there's a scene between Camila and Diana in The Crown that's one of the best scenes on TV. So there are other

like are you telling me it's better than this musical number between the face of the final face off when the Let's take a look. this goddamn fun.

Can you stop for a second? What? What? This is a This is a ripping off another song. What song?

Paradise by the Dashboard Lights, right? Start from the beginning again. And it's like I'M GOING TO STOP right now.

Yeah. That's I mean, but it's not it's not the same yet. Snow. You had your goddamn fun. We take our leave. Your little son is done.

Ladies and gentlemen, now can you pause for a second? I'm going TO SAY THE SHOW CHOREOGRAPHY. ONE AFTERNOON THEY SHOWED UP AND WERE LIKE, "Today we're going to do neck stuff." Whoever choreographed this musical was into doing aggressive shoulder work. The bellhops had aggressive shoulders. The buys, everyone's popping that should they're popping that shoulder like they popped those flash bulbs on top of those old timey cameras, which I mean I I also feel like that shows like how weirdly dated it was too. these these uh paparazzi in the trench coats running around like a like a Batman Commissioner Gordon like hey snap crackle pop you know whatever the [ __ ] they were saying

I would like it if it was snap crackle pop honestly but there were these moments and the thing that falls so flat and I just go back to what you were saying Jeene about the emptiness of it they are performing the hell out of it I think they're doing the best of the material that they have

oh they're giving it their all they don't change a [ __ ] word and there are like Broadway laugh lines and I mean that in the sense If you ever see a Broadway show, they're like dumb [ __ ] dumb jokes, but they know this will work. And it's like duran duran and they hold

duran duran duran duran duran duran and they hold like for laugh but it's just you're right. They do hold for laughs

deadly silent and they do it three times like no one said like you know what just speed through those jokes because there's no laughter coming and there and that was unnerving to me. But why wouldn't the cat

So you weren't laughing during those little breaks? I WAS LIKE AND I WAS around and I found no one.

June, that might have just been the delirium of the sauna bed. Probably. I wrote down so many lyrics that now I'm like, why? Where the prince could hear some prince and we'd all be funkadelic. The obsession with Princess Dye and pop music. Now, that the one thing I knew, the one thing I was very familiar with, and tell me if I'm right or wrong, you may may or may not know this, was didn't Princess Diana perform Uptown Girl at Okay, so but in the musical, she does a ballet number. The whole thing was about her loving pop music, and at that one point, it's like, well, we can't get the rights to Billy Joel, so we're going to make her [ __ ] dance ballet.

Well, I don't I think both things happen. Both things happen. both at the same time.

So, she danced a ballet to Uptown. There's a big deal about her like she offered that to him as a birthday gift that that was going to be her Marilyn Monroe kind of

Yes. And it fell really flat. He's such a dick. I [ __ ] hate him. I'll say this so much. I'll say this and and this

I found him to be charming in the musical though. This gets to like the whole point of the musical.

It's enough. This for me the whole musical really just to me feels like I don't understand why we even want to watch the royals. This is these are this is a play about villains,

right? This is a play about the monarchy who are unquestionably villains, right? And we are asked over and over again to root for them.

Yes. or believe that they are all trying to do their best when this play should be about villains acting villainous, right? But instead, EVERYBODY'S LIKE, I'M just doing the best I can trying to raise these boys.

Well, that's why I think it was it was not it was troubling to have Camila, I know you loved her so much, Paul, but to have her

be so sympathetic because um Oh, but they can have their Sundays back. It doesn't work for the story.

Here's the thing, Royals. I don't give a [ __ ] if you don't get to have your Sundays back,

you [ __ ] But here to my to my point is from the moment the play starts, musical play, movie, whatever you want to call it, it's all um they tell you royals are bad. This is bad. It's going to end bad. And I think from a story perspective, that's not the best way. Like I would I would have liked to at least like I feel like everyone's warning her. So I feel like Princess Diana comes off really dumb or vindictive. I come off I like Princess Diana and I come off from here going like well she's kind of like well she's [ __ ] that guy first, right? Or she's [ __ ] him and then she's going in there and she's like do you want to dance with me? And then I'm like where's she at?

I'll tell you where she's at. I I have issues with the movie too. But but Charles was having an affair with Camila before they were married and that continued throughout.

But but then she starts Yes, she does. Yes. Absolutely. But he never stops. Never stopped. Not a once. And it was a loveless marriage and he was so punishing toward her and humiliated her over and over.

Well, he did that fun dance, you know, when when they got I mean, look at this. You know, like you say all this bad stuff about him, but then all of a sudden,

but we're asked in the musical over and over again to root for he and Camila to be together.

Well, I root for this guy who when the cello comes out and it gets funky, they can dance.

They had to rehearse this. This is insane. forgot about this for weeks. They rehearsed this. They went home to their loved ones at night and said, "It's bad."

Yeah, it's bad. I'm [ __ ] And I know so much choreography. What What is so crazy about this?

They worked so hard. THE CHOREOGRAPHY IN TIME. The choreography is great, but what I was guessing is like they're not even parodying dance moves that we know. Like at least like when you see that scene in Pulp Fiction, you're like, "Oh, I recognize these dance moves."

I'm sorry, Paul. I'm going to interrupt you. These are famous British dance moves. These [ __ ] can't.

You do the lift. You do the lift, then you do the tames, and then you come over here. You do the

You do the tames. All right. Then you do the tames. You do the tames. um the they and I want to stress this because if in case listeners perhaps didn't watch the movie the the the uh the actors and the performers, the dancers, the entire company is really doing the equivalent of a it is it's a Broadway show and it is executed flawlessly. It is terrible. But when you really think about it, they have they put months of work into months of work every day rehearsing, learning choreography. The choreographers designing choreography all for this.

I know it will live forever on Netflix. It will never live forever on Broadway.

What you know, these all of these people were in the shower like before they had to go in like

I'm going to say Yeah. eight I'll say this. Eight. They were eight shows a week.

Eight shows a week. I don't think they even got THAT FAR. NO, BUT WHAT IF YOU HAD TO DO THAT FOR eight shows? You I I don't know. I don't know. That is why I I I interrupted you. I So I was saying I was falling in love with this princess. Prince Charles.

Prince Charles is in a fantasy sequence. This isn't Charles. So, she never played the cello like a piano and she didn't want everyone to be cool and be like a rock star because what I'm getting from this is like I'm getting Princess Diana is Hannah Montana and she's like just I married a real stick in the mud.

Well, the aspirational song is the song is the song where she gets access to couture. You know the difference is I'm throwing away the old clothes and I'm choosing my own clothes, right? Yeah. And that is the song that is like now I am

well I read that differently. I think that song is more I now understand how the that I'm a commodity here so I understand that I'm the most photographed woman in the world and so I'm going to she starts playing into it more. But then when she goes to the AIDS ward, which happens in the musical, uh it seems like she's doing that as like a move of revenge. But I guess she

You have so much to learn about her. Okay. Honestly, I am learning it from the musical.

I think that was meant to be humanitar. But the way that I I'm not very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying what I just want to draw the line here because I want to make sure that I'm clear. I understand how it was done in real life. I think the musical does her a disservice because it's positioned like that in the musical. Like, huh, what can I do to really piss them off? I'll go to the AIDS ward and shake their hands. Like, that's what it it feels real petilent to me.

I I guess I'm not saying that that's who she is. I mean, this musical doesn't do a good job.

Different. And the and the reason why you have your reading and I have my reading is that I I know her.

So, I'm not looking for Well, then it's a failure as a piece of art if you need to know. That's what I'm saying.

I don't I don't disagree, but I mean the question you have to ask yourself is why don't you know her better?

I watched the royal wedding. I saw it live and then you know what I said when you were three years old.

It was a very big thing in my house. The royal wedding. I remember it. I remember it as a very I remember sitting in front of the TV watching. Yeah.

I It was a very big thing. My mom was a very big Princess Die fan. It was a very big thing in my house. Yeah. And so that was like But I don't get involved in their business.

I let them do their So we don't have you to blame for her death. But I do No, but I do want to read that book that they Well, now that was the other thing because in the Okay. Again, a thing where I'm confused. In the musical, she goes, "I'm calling up this gossip reporter we've never heard of before, and I guess we're all supposed to know." And she's like, "I'm going to tell you everything, but it has to be anonymous." And then the book comes out, and it's like, "Princess die in her own words." I'm like, "Well, wait, when did that what happened? Where was the switch? Why didn't we Why are we supposed to know this other story that like why he did he sell her out? Is she mad?"

I don't know all those details, but I think I do think the music all those questions though. Am I right?

I don't know all those details. I do think the music on the storytelling assumes now this was this isn't my Diana, you know, and so I

Your Diana isn't the one who says I'm no intellect. Maybe there's a cool disco tech where Prince and then we'd all get funkadelic. Then don't create a scene. You're auditioning to be his queen.

No. Pet shop boys, come on. Come on. Make some noise. Give it up for Adam Ant. Where are you, Diana? Huh? I feel as though a and even though I just have said how much work went into this and all of that, it felt to me on a level of a group of very good improvisational singers arrived at the theater and said, "Can we get a suggestion?" Someone said, "Princess Diana." And this is what they did. And by the way, if I saw this in those circumstances, I'd be like, they're geniuses.

And I think everyone go see them. They are amazing. Blow your mind. If you see improvised Shakespeare, they're like them, but they do it to musicals. Maybe wants to ask.

Uh I see I took it as someone told them, "You have exactly 1 hour and 57 minutes to tell every detail about this woman's life. Go." And then give nothing. Wait.

Yeah. They they they cuz they really do. You got to just get to the next thing.

SHE HAS TWO I SAID IT BEFORE. SHE HAS TWO BABIES in one song. And the the trouble with the with creating a musical around this is also we know the ending. Well, I don't Do you all know what happened to her?

I was surprised. I was surprised. I I did know I did know the ending. I did know the ending.

I only looked it up afterwards that that's not Diana. I was like, when we already know where she's headed, it's hard to ever feel that, you know, this is a hero's journey and that she's going to get redemption because we ultimately know that they they killed her.

Well, not only that, but here is to me the true offense of all of this, which is yes, it is a it is the the story of Diana theoretically, right? But it it is so respectful of the royal family who again are villains. So much so that the final word of the musical is given to Charles.

Yes. I was like, "Shame on you." Well, that that shame on you. Do that. Now, this is where I'll get you back on my side. I found the end to be terrible because I felt like all of a sudden these people who were treated her like [ __ ] are the ones like going like, "Ah, so sad. So sad." LIKE YOUR PHONE. THEY HAVE NO THEY HAVE NO they don't

end with them in prison or all of the land that THEY HOLD GIVEN BACK TO THE PEOPLE.

What are we doing? I mean listen I do think the royals I mean they essentially function as a tourist attraction NOW

BUT THEY OWN ALL THE LAND. THEY DO. But but there is a sense I mean I've I don't know is anyone British here and would you care to speak on the royals? It does feel like there there's just an a tourism economy that the royals

are POP BRITISH. WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW? That I'm shocked you don't get more jobs with that accent.

THAT CRAZY BAG GO PUNCHING MIRRORS ALL THE TIME. OH, PAUL, I just got a text. Guy Richie needs to talk to you. All right.

Uh, snatch prequel here I come. mini snatching. I got to go back though to to when someone made the call to put cameras on this.

Like I still need to understand a little bit more. So it's barely up for a week and they anticipate like this is

my guess is because Hamilton sold for so much money in success. By the way, this is such a take. They were like,

I think they were like, "Let's get in before. Let's let's license this before it becomes obviously a mega hit. We'll get it cheap rather than bidding on it later when it's all because Hamilton, what was it? It sold for $65 million. Just that just the something crazy."

Yeah, it was a huge. So, my guess is they saw that and were like, "Oh, we can get in on the before this even blows up."

Netflix knows exactly what they're doing. And they're like, "We got the crown and now we're going to give you like you need another season. We got to edit that [ __ ] So watch this, you dummies." And and I'm sure so many people w because

Oh, you know your mom watched this? Oh, absolutely. And I'm going to tell you, people watched it and they [ __ ] loved it. Like I don't think this is like cuz again, it's Netflix. You didn't go to the theater. There's no expectation. You're like, "That was cute."

Out of curiosity. Out of curiosity for those of you who watched it in the audience like Mom, let me know.

How many of you were shocked to find out that this was a filmed live performance? I thought I was going to be watching like cats.

Yeah, I was I was shocked that what? Now we've just decided on small clips. I just raised my hand.

This audience is not giving it up there. There I don't know about you guys. Honestly, I think I hate

I just assumed Yeah, I assumed it was Diana the musical. that it was Yeah, it was a it was a movie.

Yes. I I also was uh shocked that it was a film state adaptation. I thought it was a going to be a musical film. I will tell you that if you think about it like The Crown is out uh you have that movie Spencer which is you know uh which is out and getting award to claim and then this like

and also Diana the tapes and Diana Oh wait what's the tape? If you head on to Netflix, there's another docu series called Diana the Tapes.

So Netflix is just kind of cornering the market of Diana stuff. Yeah. So if you want to sell a show right now, it sounds like putting Diana in as a show at Netflix.

Fascinating. I mean, I will say that you know what what I was surprised at was the person who who uh who wrote it for the stage. Uh he did write Toxic Avenger the musical uh which is the trauma film Toxic Avengers. So he did come from that. Uh but also he was the keyboard player for BonJovi. He was the composer.

Um his name is David Bryan. And uh yeah, so these guys I think had they also wrote this uh

cuz I was going to say it had like real like rock and roll music vibes, you know, which surprised me also that I was like, "Oh, this is way more like electric guitar forward than I would have thought for a Broadway continued throughout the whole thing." But but these guys these guys who work together, uh the other one is Joe Deietro. Uh they wrote this other thing. If if you're in New York City, I know that you probably both know I'm going to talk about is a I love you, you're perfect, now change course. That was what they wrote before this. So, I think they come from a more comedy background. So, it's like Toxic Avenger, I love you now, you're perfect now change, and Diana the musical. One of those things doesn't really fit. Like I could see like the funny version of Well, I guess I don't know what the funny version is, but I guess like there's a part of me that's like

Let's pitch it out though. What What is the funny, YOU KNOW? WELL, I THINK PLAYING THE CELLO I think I think the funny version. I do like this is the funny version right here.

Officer Huitt, I hear you offer lessons. There's only one type of lesson I offer. Writing lessons.

Boom. James. [singing] Though I assumed your husband gives you riding lessons. He's tried. He's not very good.

Or perhaps he just doesn't have the proper horse. And do you have the proper horse?

Your royal highness. I think you'd adore my horse. Oh, all right. All right. I just made up those bits of dialogue. But aren't they delicious? They are.

No response. Zero response. But that should be our window character. But by the way,

by the way, I think I do a better British accent than she does. But I will say this,

why stop the musical to say I made that up? So you telling me the rest is all transcripts? You telling me the rest is so letter perfect to what actually happened? That [ __ ] me up. It was like, all right, we went too far here.

The rest the rest of the [ __ ] we're playing. Yeah, just there. But everything else

everything else perfect like truly docu like Ken Burns before this. I got in and I got a little silly. But that was like

when this happened when James Huitt arrived and I was like, "Okay, okay, got it. Got it." I I did that thing where I'm like, "Okay, this has got to be like the we're getting to the end here." One hour left. I had a panic attack.

Yeah. cuz I was already feeling unwell. Yeah. From what I'd watched so far to have one to to click on that status bar and see that you have one hour left in this abject nightmare escape.

All right. Was was quite longing. Now, is James Huitt the one that they there are rumors is is Harry's father? Yeah,

cuz he looks like Harry. He looks just like him, doesn't he? And then I mean here they're like he looks like Hugh Grant, though. Here they give him Hugh Grant floppy hair.

And and James Hwitt wrote a book about Diana, too. And he was kind of really out. I did a little deep dive on James Huitt because I was like, who is this hunky dude? And uh and he he seems to have had a rough go of it afterwards cuz he wrote a a tell- all novel. He feels very badly about it. It looks like it took a toll.

A tell all novel. All right. Well, he took he took some liberties. Fictionalized it.

Tell all book. Sorry. I'm telling everything, but it's fiction. It's like primary colors. Uh the book. Uh but yeah, there was something really interesting about I mean, oh boy, I have so many questions about Diana and Hua because I also felt like they had a good thing, but did she not really like him? I I think she I don't know obviously, but I think that she It's so hard so hard to get access to what really happened when this is your only when this is I'm trying to remember that person. I'm

I'm trying to remember from the tapes. I think that I I do think she loved Charles and that um No, she didn't necessarily want a life with James Hugh, but she wanted out of that marriage.

Right. So, but she but in the play she often says like I have been through divorce and I know that I'm not having that happen again. And she talks about divorce as if I've murdered someone and I will never murder anyone ever again. Like I'm like, "Wow, this divor you're really upset about divorce." Uh but she like she really has like that like I just think that all of her like she's getting out of bed, she's really happy with James Huitt and then she's going to talk to Charles and she's like, "Hey, what's up?" And he's like, "Hey, leave me alone." And I'm like, "I don't know where you're at. I don't know where you're at. I thought you were happy.

Oh, you really were didn't have access to the interiority of this character. I And I had a problem. But here's what I will tell you. I turned it on. I saw an hour and 57 minutes. I was like, you know what I'll do? I'll watch 30 minutes tonight. I'll watch 30 minutes tomorrow and then I'll finish the before the show. I couldn't turn it off. Couldn't turn it off. And then when I saw it was like 20 minutes left, I was like, "Well, I can finish it tomorrow. It's 1:00 in the morning." I'm like, "No, I can't. I got to finish it now."

Understand? And then when the credits started rolling, I was like, "Maybe there's a postredit scene." And there was. And there was.

There was. Yeah. It shows them rehearsing with the [ __ ] mask on and stuff. Play it. I never saw it.

Oh, I didn't see that. Well, yeah. It's like I didn't see that. I see. I watched it the exact opposite way. I was like I was in a full flop sweat 20 minutes in. Not in a sauna bed.

I not in a sauna bed. I wish. I was like, I can't handle this. I'm not well. This makes me feel not safe. This makes I don't I don't like I don't like any of what's happening. I don't like I don't like musicals. Never mind one that is this catastrophically bad. Oh, I feel like you're showing the audience too much.

I I I went too quick. Okay. Something really scary happened on our Netflix account and I think we deleted it, but all of a sudden another profile was there.

Whoa. probably because of things like this. I By the way, I think we just found out how that happened.

Well, you know, it was really spooky and and someone had been watching things. Anything good?

I don't remember. Maybe they were trying to recommend good stuff. I mean, it felt like a teenager and I was like, "Oh, is there a babysitter?" Someone who

if it's if it's a hardened interruption. This tile is not available to watch right now. Why not? Oh, there it is. All right. Let's just Oh,

maybe it's playing. Maybe it's playing at our house at the same time. Oh, it is. cuz it's in in it's on in the bedroom.

Oh, wait. It's on. You just keep it. You keep it going. I paused it. I paused it.

I mean, I think some of this play can be summed up. I do have one. Open it in an inco. Oh, no. You It won't work. It won't work for you.

I was going to say I have one note here for myself that I just wrote down, which is musicals are hard. But I will say these actors make it look good. I I I don't I want to again say they're doing great a great job with truly catastrophically bad material. The set design, the costume changes, and even though there was a lot of aggressive shoulder movement, the choreography was pretty much on point. Like they were really I don't think the choreography was great, but they were in sync.

I beg to differ. I can be impressed with that. Well, I'm going to say something else, Paul, which is I thought the costumes were terrible. I thought the set was terrible and I thought the the was terrible.

Really? Yeah, it was. It's it but they're doing their best. Like the again the performers are

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We're talking about quick changes. This is not a movie. That's why I'm saying like if you're doing this on stage eight nights a week like like and you're covering

eight nights a week. Eight shows a week. Eight shows a week. Eight shows a week. But you don't go to a musical to be taken away by the quickness of the costume changes. I mean, you get lost in this story.

Are you telling me, June? Are you telling me that when you go see Oklahoma, you're like, "Oh, it doesn't look like a [ __ ] REAL FARM. I KNOW IT'S NOT A REAL FARM.

I GOT TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF. THAT'S BUCKINGHAM PALACE. I SEE A [ __ ] GATE. THERE'S A BED. I DON'T NEED TO see the FOUR WALLS. I'M WATCHING FLASHES. WE GOT TO GIVE IT UP FOR suspension of disbelief." I thought the stage design and I I I'm not going to say I'm an expert in this area, but I do feel

that's what you majored in college. I do feel I know a couple of stage designers. I do feel

Eve Fineberg, someone I went to high school with. Get them on the phone. And so I do I really do appreciate stage design in plays and I thought this was terrible.

Yeah. You didn't like the long table when they all took that long table. It went from a bar to a back bar. It like it was a straight bar

to a boxing ring. Yeah. I'm just saying there was nothing interesting about that stage. I know you loved it so much. You love that stage.

I want to be on that stage. I want to be on that floor pulling that for you is really the room where it happened.

Amen. Amen. Um I saw Patty Lone do Sweeney Todd with no set and it I was there. Oh, by the way, by the way, I saw the same production. There's a beautiful stage design. It's simple, but it was amazing.

You're right. This is This makes no sense. Again, this feels like a high school production in in Oh, yeah. When the cello

I was, but you were not impressed with the dress. You weren't impressed with the quick changes. No, Paul. Paul, I'm comfortable saying that is that is base level what should be done.

Am I comfortable with the fact that they knew their lines? Like you weren't surprised that they could sing on key. No, THAT'S THE JOB.

GUESS I GUESS I just like live performers doing their craft. I think that's the closest it got to being a magic trick. And you liked that. You're like I did.

THAT WAS THE POINT IN THE MOVIE WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, "HOW' THEY DO THAT?" your attention. I I I I was all in. I was all in. Um I did feel uncomfortable for James Hwitt to have his shirt off for so much of it. I I just

on a mechanical bull. Yeah. Or a mechanical horse, I guess. Yeah. I didn't like I just felt uncomfortable.

But James Hwitt's song too was [ __ ] bonkers. I mean, they're all Wait, that one that we just saw?

No, no, this one. The one where our romance novelist uh No, it's me again, Bob.

Great set. Look at that set. Where are we? Buckingham Palace. Oh, yes. Hold on. Look at this sage design.

God, red lights. Ooh, the red light district will get you thinking to match her dress.

That's what I like. Possibly a little magical color. I don't think I don't think it's trying to suggest the red light district. This again is a this is entirely set in the world of like extreme wealth.

I don't know. This is getting me a little, you know. Well, good news. Good news, Paul. Bad news, June. It's playing in your bedroom. Why not roll alone? Why not score a man of war? Here comes here comes.

If you can't afford a horse, get a saddle on a seat that comes out from the stage. How many times you seen that in a Broadway show? A man riding. The visual is getting a part on.

Great stage design. This is a boner visual. Great stage design. And the red lights change to what? Blue balls.

Everybody is soaking wet for this guy. I would rather I love him. I'd rather watch them [ __ ]

I would. They had a lot of chemistry. Like genuinely genuinely rather watch them [ __ ]

So here's James Hwitt. Uh and I'll pull up a picture of him during his like riding days.

Yeah. All right. So his riding days. There's a picture of him with diary. Okay.

Okay. I mean, not No, that's not okay. Yeah. Wait, look at this. He looks like a dork.

Uh on Okay. You can't just agree. What are you doing? You now have a subscription to the to the times

or every day. I WANT TO FIND out how WELL THE BIRDS ARE DOING AND MY AND YOU'RE GETTING ADVERTISING. YOU JUST GOT YOU YOUR IDENTITY is gone. Between the Netflix login and this you're done.

I do it for you. Godamn it. You're going to get home tonight. There's going to be 40 more profile.

I know everyone here is cool. All right. Well, there you SHOULDN'T BE. YOU'RE SHOWING TOO MUCH. THERE needs to be a How did this get made laptop? This is dangerous.

Well, there you go. That's what he looks like. You need a burner laptop. These [ __ ] You can't trust these maniacs. They're out there like, "Fuck." Did you see that? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? It was Gmail. And there was two, right? Yeah. Two. There's two profiles. You did. You get one. You get the top. I'll get the bottom. I thought I was moving pretty quickly. Thank god it's not being taped for Netflix so you could rewind it and screen grab it and shoot it out. But look, we have a lot of questions about here. There may be uh some of my my British friends out here. There may be people out here that have different questions. Uh let's go to you to the audience. Uh let's have the house lights up a little bit and um I'll just tell you all we are trying to record it.

Well, of course, because it's podcast. Uh and so uh because I'm not going to out there with the mic, I may have to repeat the question. So here we go. What we got? Yeah, right down here. Why do you think it was so important for them to talk about how dumb Diana was?

All right, great. So, this is important. All right, so the question here and what's your name?

Montana. Montana. And whose side are you on ultimately in this? June's side. Okay, you're on June side. Why do you think side to be on?

I mean, where's my team Camila? Wait, do you think do you think we represent different sides of the

I think that Camila made THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? OH my god.

Wait, so you are saying WOULDN'T LET HER MARRY HIM. YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE TEAM CAMILA.

Isn't that the case? Isn't that the story that they wouldn't let her marry him? She was married because she knew it was a dead end.

She She's like, "Look." She's like, "Look, what do you want me to [ __ ] do?" I got [screaming]

you. No, she was already married when she met me. She like, "Oh, when she met her?"

Well, I think they had known each other for a while, but when they were having an affair, she was already married.

Oh, okay. I didn't know that. I thought it was I thought they were like longtime like like high school sweethearts. Like they went on a field trip to like, you know, the Tower of London. You're acting as if these are people who have had normal lives.

These are monsters. All right. So, the question from Montana was, uh, why do they have to keep on pointing out that she's so dumb? And this actually goes into what I was saying that they do her a disservice. They make her dumb. They make her like a like a like a dumb kid. Yeah. And I don't know like and that's why I do think that the play isn't on her side.

Well, I don't think the play is on anyone's side. I think the play is constantly um [clears throat] having it both ways with everybody. They both want you to think Charles is an idiot and a villain, but then also believe in the love story of Charles and Camila and the fact that they miss their Sundays. They want you to believe that the queen is different than the romance novelist.

She is what? Are you telling me the queen's not They're the same person in the musical. I I was a I thought that was what the show was trying to prove to me. The queen

That's quite a quick change. That was a good quick change. Um All right. So, any other questions? Any other questions? Yeah. Uh right there. Whose side are you on and what's your name?

I'm Molly. Uh June and Jason. Okay. June and Jason, which is also mine. I was on my point. That's mine.

She gets it. I'm just saying if you didn't know, I'M CURIOUS JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE to waste time. Is anybody here on Paul's side?

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm I look I'm not saying in real life. I'm just saying the musical version of this. That's where I'm at. Okay. Yes. Go ahead.

Uh the the [ __ ] you dress? Yes. The [ __ ] you dress? No. No. [ __ ] you. It's [ __ ] you until the last line is [ __ ] you.

Yes. The [ __ ] you dress. That's actually a famous dress. June might know if you guys didn't know that black dress. Did you do you think that was a fckue dress? You thought that was was it effective?

Okay. Was the feck you dress effective? Let's pull it up here. Okay. So, you're So, the question is, do you think it was successful in its attempt to like be like a declarative statement of of something? Yeah. Certainly. Yes. Absolutely. This is a famous dress, right?

That's a classic. Even I know this. Yeah. Pause. Oh, will you rewind it just like a couple just like a few seconds?

Right. Okay. So, right here. You love that stage design. What I like about I love the light.

What I like about What I like about this stage design is a couple things. It doesn't take away attention away from the feck you dress. It actually lets the feck you dress shine. And to your question, um I believe it's a f you dress because they're telling me it. So like if

so I I didn't have to I didn't have to even imagine it. told me as everything emotion is told to me except the things that should be told to me like the suicide that's hidden in a punch through the mirror but th but this is very clean everyone is very clean and clear with what how they feel. So yeah like she could be serving pizza and saying it's soup and if you say it's soup enough times like I guess that's soup. I see I liked this. I liked this cons. This is where the the the the musical fails because this is a really good idea at a juxtaposition between Prince Charles giving this televised interview where he's going to take some sort of ownership and she's stealing focus with this [ __ ] you dress, right?

And to be able to think that that could have that juxtaposition could have created tension and been something great and instead it's just like not it's neither neither side of it is particularly effective at dramatizing the events of what I think is is this a true story that these two things happen on the same night.

Time was like things got a bit conflated I think cuz I this is true. She was going to go to this very big event. I actually do have this research from me. Um, all right. So, this is um, okay, uh, Paul Burrell, that's her uh, close friend and confidant. In an interview after the princess died, Burell spoke about how Diana felt humiliated after Charles admitted his infidelity to the press. The evening that Charles's interviewed aired, Diana was scheduled to appear at the annual Serpentine Gallery summer party and nearly did not go. According to Burell, he talked her into going and chose a very sexy black dress for her to wear with a diamond choker as a way to tell the world she was not going to be humiliated. Their duet, the dress, is a direct reference to this conversation.

So [clears throat] that's I like that. Applause. I just Do you Now you're just giving the audience applause.

I know this cheer for me. Jason Jason Camila Camila team CPB over here. I'm so upset about that. I need you to take it back. Honestly,

this is the new teams. Team Sandy is CPB. I'm judging this as a person who just walked into the local Netflix uh cinema and and shows Diana. I don't know what this is about. Is this true?

But if this had been bouncing back and forth between him giving the interview and her doing this and blah blah blah, that could have been fun and cool and have given more again more emotionality to the moment and to what they were going through. But instead, it's it's everything is reduced to just everything's reduced to one thing and this is just the dress.

Do you remember that one song? And now I can't remember it, but it was when it's with the romance novelist and she goes, "It's him, it's her. It's a combo of him and her. What is that? What are you I don't even know what you're saying. Like what what like like that was odd. It was like what is like what's the combo of him and her? Like I didn't understand what even that was going for. But it does feel like I said to June when she was watching again and I walked and was watching it over her shoulder.

It's interesting because you both watched it twice. I definitely watched a few more scenes.

You stopped by and watched more of it than I think you're willing to. Oh yeah. No, I'll admit it. I'll admit it. And I guess like I every time I WATCH

I WANT TO have the severance procedure done for this movie so that I can live in a world in which I don't remember having seen it.

I have to be honest with you, Jason. I might watch it again. I'm going to tell you it goes down smoother the second time. Obviously my opinion about this movie. There are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

They go to Amazon to get their reviews on. These people's minds are gone. They're second opinionated. They're lowering their bars. These movies are subpar. They give them all five stars. Second opinionated.

AMAZING. WHAT AN AMAZING JOB. THANK YOU, CHRIS. Chris said he wrote that 10 seconds before the show. You could not tell. It was better than most of the songs in Diana the Musical. Um, I would believe it if Chris had written Diana the musical.

Diana the musical. Second opinions. Um, so these are the reviews. Uh, sadly just from the soundtrack on

Oh, when did this come? Is this This came out in 2021. Uh, yeah. So this was awarded all the Rzzies this year, just a mere few weeks ago. Um, so uh, but people do mention the uh stage version and Netflix one a lot. So uh, here are some reviews here. I'll start off with this one uh from man. Every performance is breathtakingly spoton. I would not change anything about this musical. A masterpiece. Five stars. Absolutely wonderful. There we go. Jennifer W. Hail writes, "After seeing the Netflix show, I had to get the soundtrack.

I know this is a controversial piece, but I love it. Five stars. This is a fun musical. I would say fun is not the word I would use. And then um Okay, two more quick ones. Uh from an Amazon customer, I absolutely loved it. The music was so good. The cast is amazing. do yourself a favor and go see the Broadway show in person and then watch the Netflix iteration as well because it's just brilliant. Enough said. Five stars.

Now, here is the thing that was weird that Nate found. Nate Kylie, our amazing researcher, found out that uh a lot of the five star reviews happened to be for Shrek the musical and they somehow are on the Diana page. So, the ones I just read might have been for Shrek if they don't specifically say Diana because in the in the Diana musical ones, we also found this one from Jandy. Jandy writes, "This is a gift from my husband Tony, who loves musicals, especially this one. He enjoys playing his cast album of Shrek while working on his computer." Five stars.

Thank you, Jandy. Um, June and I SAW SHREK THE MUSICAL. WHAT? WHEN? Remember we went to go see at the Pantas?

That was somebody else. We were there with Koulop and Scott and everybody about

You were definitely there. It's cool and Scott and everyone was there. I have no recollection of that.

Uh, we got yelled at. How about this? This is the first I'm hearing that there is such a thing as a Shrek musical.

It's on Netflix. like this. Yeah. Oh, it's also on YouTube for free. Please do not make us watch it.

Shrek the musical. Now, now I will say Camila Parker Balls in that is actually you you will see a different side of her. Um would you re

she plays donkey? Oh. Oh, Shrek. Wait, that's the thing that makes I CAN'T BELIEVE HIM. I can't believe him talking. Wow. Despicable.

It's the only other character I know from Shrek. FIONA. WAIT, SHOULD I HAVE LADY SHREK?

LORD FARQUAD. I don't know from Shrek. Um, I KNOW THERE'S A DOGGY. WOULD YOU RECOMMEND

THAT OUT? ACTUALLY, PUT IT IN TWICE. BUT INSTEAD WHEN I MAKE the joke INSTEAD OF THEM BOOING PUT IN BEFORE WHEN THEY CHANTED my name I will kill regardless of what happens in this room.

What um would you recommend it? NO JUNE. You know, it is something to see and I do feel like musicals in general, it's so hard to translate a stage production to a a screen in general. It's all it's not going to be as good. And so I do feel we've been judging this a bit unfairly. Um we might have had a different experience.

Would you enjoy Would you have enjoyed it more if you'd gone to the theater to see it? Would you have been more forgiving perhaps?

I think so. I think so. But and in some ways I think seeing everybody up close, seeing costumes up close, seeing all of that.

Well, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, too close doesn't It's like that show. Is it a cake? They have to watch. They look at the cake from like 15 ft away.

Well, I was going to say you would like to look at this further away. Yeah. What?

Yeah. One of my Well, one of my notes was one of my notes that I didn't say was, "Would I have enjoyed this more if it had been filmed?" You're you're right. Not up close, but like from the middle of the room and the audience been full of people enjoying the show.

It's kind of like that Bo Burnham special for Chris Rock where Spike Lee is taking up so much attention because he's like in the front row, but you still feel like you're in the audience. And I do I do like that idea that like I think that the audience not being here is a problem because this is like a a Tony and Dena's wedding, a Charles and Diana wedding. I feel like it has like this element, but it's the wrong take for a story that is this dark.

Listen, I don't think this succeeds necessarily on stage either. But I do I don't but I think I would have enjoyed it. I might have enjoyed it more and been more forgiving if

So, you're saying your recommendation is go back in time and see it in the theater.

Yeah. I mean, again, it seems it's it's playing on every TV in our home right now.

We're making our children only watch Every one of those pro that's why there's so many profiles on your Netflix is so every TV can be playing this simultaneously.

Everyone in our house watches something so different and it screws up everyone's algorithm. So I just made everyone their own profile.

Yeah, you did. You really did. Is that for every app? Pretty much. It's for Disney Plus, too. It's for He wants his own his content on his own.

Yeah. He doesn't content on my own. I just like I was having a trouble with that Netflix algorithm because you are watching anything where people are getting murdered all the time and I'm like how can I find the Atom project? It's like the your version of Netflix the Adam Project does not even exist.

The answer is don't find the Adam project. Why are you LOOKING FOR THE ADAM PROJECT?

HOW DO I FIND FREE GUY? Ryan Reynolds sent me a case of Jenny's a nice gentleman. I do think this is something to behold though. It's something to see and none of the songs are memorable. But

I would say they're impossible to even sing. Sure, except for that gentleman there. They are there's nothing hookie about to hold on to.

There's there's it really just is sung uh exposition, you know, for the most part. Uh

well, good news. We're going to bring you to New York and we're going to put this on for you, Jason. You are going to get to go and SEE THIS LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY. LET'S GO EVERYBODY. We're all GETTING ON A PLANE OUTSIDE. WE'RE GOING TO BROADWAY.

UM, all right. Uh, well, that is it. A big thank you to April Hley who has been sitting on this one for a long time. She's like, "This needed to be a live show because you need to talk about the wonderful staging, the beautiful costumes, and you need to see it to believe it." Uh up in the booth tonight, uh our amazing uh sound engineer Devin Bryant, Alec Dixon up there working all the sound and lights and everything like that. Our producer Cody Fischer, our producer Molly Reynolds, and of course Nick Kylie does all of our research.

Thank you to Largo. Uh this is amazing to be here. We will see you soon. We'll be back.

Questions about this episode

What is discussed in "Diana: The Musical LIVE! (HDTGM Matinee)"?

In order: 0:00 Diana the Musical, Jason Manzuk, June Diane Rafio; 10:00 Camila, Camila Parker, Diana the Musical, James Huitt; 20:00 Camila; 30:00 Diana the Musical, David Bryan, James Huitt; 40:00 James Hwitt, Buckingham Palace, James Huitt, Eve Fineberg; 50:00 Camila, Paul Burrell, Serpentine Gallery; 1:00:00 Camila, Camila Parker, Diana the Musical.

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15 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Camila, Diana the Musical, June, James Huitt, James Hwitt, Diana. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Diana: The Musical LIVE! (HDTGM Matinee)"?

The episode runs 1 h 8 min; the transcript is about 12,350 words in 306 timestamped sections.

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