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Grizzly II: Revenge w/ Jake Johnson

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Grizzly II: Revenge w/ Jake Johnson", an episode of How Did This Get Made? published October 3, 2025 (1 h 12 min, about 15,080 words). It mentions 20 people, works and ideas, including Grizzly 2: The Revenge, Jason Manzukas, How Did This Get Made, Jake Johnson, Charlie Sheen.

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on "Grizzly II: The Revenge," a film widely viewed as a culmination of cinematic misfires, featuring a giant grizzly bear wreaking havoc at a rock concert after the death of its cubs. The hosts delve into the film's chaotic production history, celebrate its failures, and reflect on the nature of bad movies.

Key takeaways

  • Grizzly 2 is a 37-year epic, proving even movie failures can take their time to shine.
  • Who needs coherent narratives when you have a giant bear crashing a rock concert?
  • A wild concert in Hungary draws 50,000, turning disaster into an unexpected cultural event.
  • Remember: legally, a movie must be 88 minutes—Grizzly 2 creatively skirted that with concert footage.
  • Actors Charlie Sheen and George Clooney appeared in this train wreck; even they can’t save a bear.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Charlie Sheen, Grizzly 2: The Revenge, Laura Dern, George Clooney
  2. – 20:00: Budapest, Hungary, John Rhys-Davies, Jason Manzukas
  3. – 40:00: Charlie Sheen, George Clooney
  4. – 50:00: Charlie Sheen
  5. – 1:10:00: Hungary
  6. – 1:12:30: Jason Manzukas, How Did This Get Made, Danielle Schneider, Edy Patterson

Notable quotes from "Grizzly II: Revenge w/ Jake Johnson"

  • Yeah, it is. We saw Grizzly 2: The Revenge. So, you know what that means.
    about Grizzly 2: The Revenge · at
  • Have found someone to replace her. A suitable replacement. A suitable replacement. That's right. He is the co-host of the very popular podcast. We are here to help. Please welcome Jake Johnson. Jake, thank you guys. Thank you guys.
    about Jake Johnson · at
  • The There's the original and then there's the additive stuff that the distributor did in 2019 to make money off of Chucky Sheen.
    about Charlie Sheen · at
  • Thing that they filmed and then they paid for it from the money raised by this con man producer, Joseph Ford Proctor. But the very first day they began shooting the non-con…
    about Joseph Ford Proctor · at
  • So, are when Clooney, Durn, and Sheen shot their one and one half scenes.
    about Laura Dern · at
  • Remaining producer, Suzanne Ngi, re-edited the movie and then moved the Clooney, Durn, and Sheen scene to the beginning once they all became huge stars. Oh, now the screenwriter did say that the only reason that they were hired was.
    about George Clooney · at
  • I wouldn't call it nepotism. Jason, did you see the other acting in this movie?
    about Jason Manzukas · at
  • Got that? And now this movie was made in Budapest and the Hungarian government seized all the film equipment because they didn't pay their bills and as a result they never got a chance to do.
    about Budapest · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Jason Manzukas — Person · Co-host (introduced as co-host) · 3 mentions · first at
    Introduced as the episode’s co-host and participates throughout the discussion of the film’s production oddities and performances.
  • Jake Johnson — Person · Main guest · 2 mentions · first at
    Guest brought in to replace the absent co-host; he drives many questions about the film’s patchwork production and joins extended tangents (e.g., “Geek Squad”).
  • Charlie Sheen — Person · Referenced actor (cast example in film) · 10 mentions · first at
    Central to the discussion of the film’s marketing/editing strategy and the anecdote about him choosing this project over another opportunity.
  • Laura Dern — Person · Referenced actor (cast example in film) · 4 mentions · first at
    Discussed alongside Clooney and Sheen as a recognizable name used to “game the box office,” with her scene repositioned to the cold open in later edits.
  • George Clooney — Person · Referenced actor (cast example in film) · 4 mentions · first at
    Discussed as one of the “future superstars” whose brief appearance was moved to the opening to market the 2020 release of an older production.
  • Joseph Ford Proctor — Person · Referenced producer (alleged con man) · 2 mentions · first at
    Identified as the producer who raised money, funded the concert, then disappeared with funds—key to explaining why the film became an unfinished patchwork.
  • John Rhys-Davies — Person · Referenced actor (performance highlight) · 2 mentions · first at
    Discussed for his memorable/odd performance and character backstory in the film; used as a comedic focal point (quotes played).
    John Reese Davies, who I love, obviously from Raiders of the Lost Arc, Sliders, I've been in a bunch of great stuff. He is doing something at certain point I'm should I be offended by.
  • Brian Rafferty — Person · Referenced journalist (source article) · 1 mention · first at
    Credited as the author of a Ringer article used as a factual backbone for the film’s production history in the episode.
    And this is Scott, correct me if I'm wrong, but Scott, our producer, found this great article in the Ringer about the making of the movie written by Brian Rafferty. He did an amazing job.
  • Edy Patterson — Person · Tour special guest (announced) · 2 mentions · first at
    Named as a special guest for upcoming live shows, used to promote the tour dates and ticket sales.
    Joining dinosaur Edie Patterson from the Righteous Gemstones, Danielle Schneider from Garbage World, Mary Holland, Rob Wgles. So many great people are jumping in on this dinosaur shows and they've.
  • Danielle Schneider — Person · Tour special guest (announced) · 2 mentions · first at
    Listed among special guests for the live tour; part of the promotional segment for tickets.
    We have amazing special guests like Edy Patterson from The Righteous Gemstones and Danielle Schneider from Garbage World, as well as Rob Brigle and Mary Holland. It's going to be a blast. Get your tickets at hdtg.com.
  • Mary Holland — Person · Tour special guest (announced) · 2 mentions · first at
    Named as a special guest for the tour; part of the ticket-promotion roll call.
    Patterson from The Righteous Gemstones and Danielle Schneider from Garbage World, as well as Rob Brigle and Mary Holland. It's going to be a blast. Get your tickets at hdtg.com.
  • Rob Brigle — Person · Tour special guest (announced) · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as a guest on the live tour; also referenced near the end in show plugs (though not deeply discussed).
    Patterson from The Righteous Gemstones and Danielle Schneider from Garbage World, as well as Rob Brigle and Mary Holland. It's going to be a blast. Get your tickets at hdtg.com.

Companies & orgs

  • Gravitas Pictures — Company · Distributor · 1 mention · first at
    Company that re-edited and released 'Grizzly 2: The Revenge'
    With those three stars at the beginning, we could sell it to Netflix for at least $250,000. Well, that's the Graitas pictures. Gravitas who are big in the indie game. They're…

Places & events

  • Budapest — Place · Setting · 4 mentions · first at
    Location where parts of 'Grizzly 2: The Revenge' were filmed
  • Hungary — Place · Country of production · 7 mentions · first at
    Country where 'Grizzly 2: The Revenge' was filmed
    Shooting in Hungary months after Ronald Reagan declared the Russia as an evil empire. And they were shing it on a military base. And they were apparently surrounded by secret…

Media & podcasts

  • Grizzly 2: The Revenge — Media · Main topic · 4 mentions · first at
    Primary movie discussed in the podcast, analyzed for its production and bizarre elements
  • How Did This Get Made — Media · Host podcast · 2 mentions · first at
    The podcast hosting the discussion, mentioned in the context of its live shows
    Mediocrity of some art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello people of earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made. Today we are talking…
  • The Righteous Gemstones — Media · Referenced show · 2 mentions · first at
    TV show mentioned in the context of a guest appearing on the tour
    We have amazing special guests like Edy Patterson from The Righteous Gemstones and Danielle Schneider from Garbage World, as well as Rob Brigle and Mary Holland. It's going to be a blast. Get.
  • Garbage World — Media · Referenced show · 2 mentions · first at
    TV show mentioned in the context of a guest appearing on the tour
    We have amazing special guests like Edy Patterson from The Righteous Gemstones and Danielle Schneider from Garbage World, as well as Rob Brigle and Mary Holland. It's going to be a blast. Get your tickets at hdtg.com.
  • Invincible — Media · Referenced show · 1 mention · first at
    TV show mentioned in the context of a host's current project
    Taking your money. June is in Weapons and Freaker Friday, which are both now streaming, and you can catch Jason in Amazon's Invincible. It's a great show.

Full transcript with timestamps

Is this movie a game, a laugh, a joke? Yeah, it is. We saw Grizzly 2: The Revenge. So, you know what that means.

Now, it's time for this. We're going to have a good time celebrating failure, not just cuz you know you wonder how this wall in the mediocrity of some art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello people of earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made. Today we are talking about Grizzly 2: The Revenge. But before we get into that, I want to let you all know that How Did This Get Made in Dinosaur are going on the road. That's right. Jason and I will be in Boston, Philly, New York, and DC.

We have amazing special guests like Edy Patterson from The Righteous Gemstones and Danielle Schneider from Garbage World, as well as Rob Brigle and Mary Holland. It's going to be a blast. Get your tickets at hdtg.com. Now, boy oh boy, we got a movie for you. A movie 37 years in the making. That's right. This movie was just released in 2020.

Uh yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, that makes a lot of my confusion make sense.

Well, just if in case you haven't seen it, and I do recommend uh that you do see it because this every now and then we come across one that is pure perfection, and this is definitely one of those movies. Uh, all hell breaks loose when a giant grizzly uh reacts to the slaughter of his babies or her babies and uh attacks a massive big band rock concert in a national park. That That's the premise. We'll break it all down, but first let me introduce my co-host, Jason Manzukus. Jason, how are you?

Wow. Wow. We did it. We we we've done we really I I I don't know if we've reached the end of all of our bad movies, but this certainly feels like a movie that was cobbled together from the found scraps of other movies.

Oh, and it kind of is. And I that's Yeah, that's what I'm Yeah, that's what I'm guessing at. But but yes, let's get let's jump right in. Uh this week we do not have our other co-host Jun Dian Rafield with us, but we have found uh someone to replace her. A suitable replacement. A suitable replacement. That's right. He is the co-host of the very popular podcast. We are here to help. Please welcome Jake Johnson. Jake,

thank you guys. Thank you guys. Well, what what a movie you guys. Holy [ __ ] You're welcome. You know, whenever we have a guest for the first time on the show, I'm like, "Oh, they may be upset when they have to sit down and watch it, but I was like, we gave Jake a gift. It's not even It's only an hour and 14 minutes. It's not even an hour."

Paul 6 minutes of credits and and I'm going to honestly say I'm pretty sure I watched at least 35 minutes of the concert.

Like, a lot of concert footage. concert footage and B and B-roll of just animals in the wilderness.

How about the new fake band that the modern band? It was first of all the concert when there was those ladies from the the8s vibe.

Yes. I was like I love this concert. This is a home run. Yep. Like an 80s new wave like I believe like Russian.

I believe they're they're singing in Russian. It like the sexy weird hip dances that is so like not sexy but you're like I don't know. There was a time when like Jane Fonda did it. Love it.

It's working. I loved all of it. Me, too. But but you're right. The modern band

then all of a sudden in the middle it's like a wedding band from 2010 who are shot super close with no microphones and they're performing to a 100,000 people with

the guy has a little bit of a ponytail and like who' you cast. Now I will say this. This was a real This was real. This was a real concert in Hungary. Uh, so these are what are the first the the big concert was a real You mean the big one?

The There's the original and then there's the the additive stuff that the distributor did in 2019 to make money off of Chucky Sheen.

They Yes. All right. So, this is what happened back in ' 83. Uh, 1983, the filmmakers created this massive uh musical festival in Hungary called the Beast Festival. Uh, so that's what we're seeing. And man, this was

Okay. So, yeah. So, I'm sorry. Just to just to like pull that string a little bit, Paul, you're saying that people were hired to shoot the like a concert video like Woodstock. Then they made the Charlie Sheen, Clooney, Laura Durn thing

around the concert. Are those separate elements that were then wedded together? And then the extra the modern footage, the drone footage

was because the movie was 80 minutes and they can't sell an 83. That's not legally a movie. I believe

I think you got to be 88 minutes to get paid as a feature contractually. Guy who has made little indies and then like 83 minutes you're like it counts. Yeah.

Oh, I remember. I'm pretty sure they added 2 minutes of bloopers to the dictator to legally make it a movie. All right. This is this is what I know. And this is uh Scott, correct me if I'm wrong, but uh Scott, our producer, found this great article in the Ringer uh about the making of the movie written by Brian Rafferty. He did an amazing job. So, the first thing that they filmed was this huge concert created just for this movie. Almost 50,000 people attended, which made it one of the largest concerts ever held in Eastern Europe.

The concert, right, was completely real. Nazareth was the headliner. Oh, okay. Nazareth, which is like a real you know, 70s 80s.

They just they just did a concert. Oh, yeah. No, the concert was the first thing that they filmed and then they paid for it from the money raised by this con man producer, Joseph Ford Proctor. But the very first day they began shooting the non-con scenes, Proctor ghosted them and took off with the rest of the money that he raised.

So, he's just he's a weird Robin Hood. He just some of it away and then disappears. This is okay. I saw

he vanished for many years and was living in Thailand. Uh he was convicted for fraud.

You didn't have to say that. We knew that. That's where everyone goes. Um but yeah, like that that opening of this idea that this this is a this is a movie that was kind of bamboozled. And yes, I think across the board, look, this is a movie called Grizzly 2 based on the very successful Grizzly. I not really, but it was based on Grizzly one. I started to feel like, is there a Grizzly one? Are any of these people from that movie?

Yes, there. Well, not from that movie. No, no, there's no carryover. There's no carryover.

I Sorry, Paul. I'm so sorry to I'm I have I'm going to be honest. Nothing but questions. This is all of my notes are just questions. So,

yes. So, are when when Clooney, Durn, and Sheen shot their one and one half scenes.

Yes. Um, by the way, this movie opens with and we'll and then we'll break it all down like because this movie opens with like well I don't know if we'll get the answers but we'll at least ask questions. Uh the movie opens with like starring you know and it's George Clooney

it also ends the first uh it's George Clooney's photo at the end. Yeah. And so like you think like okay well it's George Clooney, Laura Durn, Charlie Sheen and I'm thinking okay I worked at uh Blockbuster when I was a kid and in you know and I remember there was like an Adam Sandler movie like called like going overboard. He has like one scene but they put him on the cover box but this movie it seems like they didn't even want to trust you to wait until like 10 minutes in. They open up a scene on these three people. I I got a quick I got a quick question that really threw me off. Did you guys also see the Charlie Machine documentary?

Okay, so there's a scene in there, Jason, that pissed me off while watching it and then pissed me off more while watching Grizzly 2. Charlie Shane was offered this part in Grizzly Man 2. Total dog [ __ ] He said yes. They needed him for seven days. Can't figure out why seven days.

Maybe just to fly to Budapest. He then got offered the part of Karate Kid. Oh no.

He was going to be Karate Kid. His dad, an old school purist, said, "All you've got is your word." So he passed on being the [ __ ] karate kid

to being this. I mean, and the story was almost like I was mad at my dad for a long time, but that integrity and I'm like, "No, that's just bad."

For Grizzly 2 for Grizzly 2 and now talk about No, it's not a movie pass. So, uh, you know, later on was the Charlie Sheen, Clooney, Laura Durn, was there supposed to be more or was this the sum total like all three of these future superstars are cast just to die in the old o in the cold open?

Yeah. So, so, so originally that scene was going to be later in the film. That's why about 20 minutes into the movie or so, we see the National Park staff discover the bodies of the three dead teenagers because in the original cut of the movie, they had just been killed in the scene before. All right, so this kind of weird, right? So, it wasn't until years later that the film's remaining producer, Suzanne Ngi, re-edited the movie and then moved the Clooney, Durn, and Sheen scene to the beginning uh once they all became huge stars. Oh,

now the screenwriter did say that the only reason that they were hired was because of nepotism and they thought that if they used these names that would help the box.

Who's he connected to? Rosemary. Rosemary. Oh, right. And I guess on a level of a movie like this, it was enough to give it like something, right? So, they were they were gaming the system.

That's fascinating. They said, "Yeah, their auditions were fine. Um, but the reason why they were hired was to help like game the box office.

That's so fascinating to me because it seemed so odd to me that before they were anywhere near stars, the three people who would become the maybe this is just truly an indictment of nepotism inside of this business. But the people who would become unequivocally the biggest stars out of this movie are the three who are like just cast aside in the cold open.

I wouldn't call it nepotism. Jason, did you see the other acting in this movie?

This was some of the worst stuff I've ever seen. The main guy and the blonde lady when they were doing their scenes.

I honestly felt like this can't be on planet Earth. No, I mean they're not real humans here.

John Reese Davies, who I love, you know, obviously from Raiders of the Lost Arc, Sliders, I've been in a bunch of great stuff. He is doing something at certain point I'm like, should I be offended by what he's doing?

Rashard, right? He's a special character here. Take a listen to uh John Reese Davies.

They say that Grizzly was created by the great Manitu. But Grizzly grew to be so strong that even Manitu himself had to flee to escape him. In the beginning, bear walked on two legs like a man. In those days, he kill his prey with clubs and not with teeth and claws.

You really believe that garbage, don't you? Grizzly is a beast from hell. If you do not know that now, you will someday.

He's an Alzheimer. When they established later on that, well, he actually was just a normal guy who went nuts and now thinks he's a Native American after a bear killed his his wife and daughters. Um, pretty awesome. I will say pretty awesome story line.

I know Jake, you texted me and said, "You're going to go as Buchard for Halloween."

Bard, just because I have every year since 2000. I mean, Buchard really is a great character.

And I did think I was like, did they like retcon his backstory? Because, you know, John Reese Davies probably got this, I'm doing this. And then they were all like, okay. Like there's a moment where the lead actor literally takes a knee cuz he's like, "Well, I can't compete with whatever John Reese Davies is doing."

How about when he moves the tree? He moves the tree with his bare hands. Incredible.

He's the strongest man on planet Earth. I want to answer some of these questions and I can also break down some things in the movie just so you guys I have a clearer answer on some of this stuff, okay, about this producer. He So, basically, uh, he took the money from the film. He didn't even tell the other producer. Instead, he let that producer's husband tell her that he just ran off with the money. Uh he was jailed later for other uh shady business.

You don't have to say that part. We all assumed it. Got that? And now this movie was made in Budapest and the Hungarian government seized all the film equipment because they didn't pay their bills and as a result they never got a chance to do postp production on it. They even took the Bears. Um, and so yes,

I love ind you know what we were saying earlier we all got in the bloat business when we all got in this game. The other business I wanted to get into is this business.

Oh, I wanted to be in a movie in Budapest and had they somebody come to my hotel room and go there is no movie and I go why and they go

they confiscated the bears everything and the bears are gone. Thank you so much for the opportunity gentlemen. This was a really fun 10 days.

I mean and by the way everything all the film is missing. as well. It should be. This was the worst project I've ever been a part of.

45 days. This movie, they started shooting in Hungary months after Ronald Reagan declared the uh Russia as an evil empire. And they were shing it on a a military base. And they were apparently surrounded by secret police the entire time of the shooting, which is now I'm like, is this an like an Argo situation where they like was this like a a chance to get in? Um, and yes, so this movie then toiled for many years. Uh, in ' 87, our friends at Canon Film Group, who've made all the movies that we've talked about on this show, they were like, "We're going to re we're going to finish this up." But then they had to ditch it when they went bankrupt. So everything has kind of gone bad uh on this uh

who is the group that just reso there's a group that came in recently and said with those three stars at the beginning, we could sell it to Netflix for at least $250,000. Well, that's the Graitas pictures. Gravitas who are are big in the indie game. They're the ones who real. They bought it and they and I think that they were like, "This is weird enough that it could be like a bird." I think this is me now adding my own thing to it. Like, it could be a bird demic. Like, we they they were able to re-edit it all together, put some bare footage back in. You know, they stitched it together just to kind of make sense. Even though I mean stitching is dog [ __ ]

Oh, the the difference between Yeah. the 80s footage and the they they shoot a bunch of like modern stuff like modern drone shots, modern they shoot a bunch of a modern musical music festival where people are wearing like tie-dye and all sorts of like modern logo shirts and stuff.

Also the nature footage at the beginning. I was like it's so funny. It's so funny. There's

it's so crisp. Yeah, but there's like why not just make a weird 72minute movie like the during the concert there was those two old guys in white jackets

playing something I was hard laughing but then when it cuts to like the karaoke footage of the modern band something about it pissed me off.

Oh well I'll tell you this modern band by the way they're a band called the days uh and they're performing their song the planet. Now here's the thing. All right. This was uh from a

told me they're here today. Bring them on. Welcome to the stage. The days. Now, the days that that track is from 2016, a far way off from 1983. Um and on a comment on the YouTube video of their song, it says the footage was requested by a company, but they didn't know what it was going to be used for. So they unwillingly gave like they didn't know they didn't know that that's

for this band. They signed a contract they didn't read. They're like 17 pages and somebody goes how much? And they go 500 bucks and they go click sign.

Done. Just take it. Do it every Grizzly 2. It's a concert from 1983. We made it in 2016.

Oh my gosh. So it'll be time travel. It is so confus I will say like if I had stumbled on this

it it was so you know it was so confusing to watch this patchwork quilt of footage from different eras of uh of film making. So it is also visually like the visual storytelling is all over the place. They're making cuts time jumps. They're making cut. The bear bullet time the bear doesn't move.

The bear cannot move. The bears all by the way also burned up in a warehouse fire in Hungary after the film was made.

I'll I'll tell you another thing that really threw me off uh and had stuck with me is the the young daughter storyline where she falls in love with the musician but there was no setup.

When did that happen? All of a sudden she's doing a scene and he's like everything's just a laugh

and she's like what am I? And I'm like did I miss a 40inute arc? Our relationship came out of the blue, but that scene is perfection. Just want to listen to it for a second.

What's wrong? Nothing. Nothing at all. I just I just wanted to say uh we've had such fun together and

I like you a lot, but I'm nothing. I'm just a a gypsy, a clown, a juggler. I go from town to town. I do my show and then I'm gone. It's all a game, a laugh, a joke.

Am I a game, a laugh, and a joke? Yes. When did they fall in love such that he's now

Who is he? It seems to all take place in a day. And what I really love about that scene is that he take touches his fedora like Hamlet looking at the skull, you know, and it's like he look funny. It's like a funny like actor's choice to look at that fedora and the fedora represents

I bet I bet his lines were written on the fedora. Also the this politician who's involved here, she's like she

mean nurse Ratchet. Nurse Ratchet who said she she's like I took this job because I'm 50 and no one offered me any work when I was 50.

You also all notice an uncredited Tim Spall. No, British actor Tim Spall. Mike Lee favorite Tim Spall. Um uh uh Peter Pedigrew from the Harry Potter movies. When Nurse Ratchet comes up and says, "We need to go over there." And he says, "You can't come in here. Can't" and he's got his arm in a cast. It's like a very young Tim Spaul.

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Look, nobody allowed in here. I think you've made a mistake. This is Senator and Mrs. Thornton.

No matter who they are. What's your name? Rob. Thank you. Wow, that's cool. I mean, there's so much in here that's that also based on what we were just talking about though, can we assume that the movie wants us to believe there was a love story between the daughter of the Ranger and that pop star that we were just talking about who's on stage?

Is it possible they shot scenes? Are there more scenes for this movie that have not been included? If there more scenes and they chose not to put it in this new footage,

they're the biggest idiots in the game. I I mean, this is a movie that is I I feel like it's inept in every way. They did not like anything that they had, they used had they probably did shoot it and when their film got stolen by the Hungarian government, it got lost.

I bet they or they cut it out. But also the scene then when that girl is with her dad who I did not realize was her dad the main guy with the beard

and all of a sudden it's like it's shot kind of sexy by the jeep and I was like

ah is she going to go after like the cool lead guy cuz I thought he was going to go after the blonde lady and then all of a sudden she goes like I'm Hey daddy I'll make you proud I'm a good little girl. I was like, "What the fuck?" I see the same age. They seem like this is terrible,

right? You imagine being on that set with that director and being like, "Good. One more time. Say, I'm a very good girl." I was like, "Ew."

This This is This is why I also feel like it's also the actors feeling like they could say whatever they want. Like, we're going to improvise here. Like, we we'll have a little flirty thing cuz probably in real life they were a little bit close in age, right? Cuz then she say like, you know, there's something about it where I feel like they don't know or like there was enough people there that no one was like check. There was no script supervisor that day.

That's a really funny idea. Two actors who are improvising and they don't realize their father and daughter is but the old guy's like, "Look at you, sweetheart. You look wonderful." Like every video villages like

it's a very sexual vibe. He says that thing. He goes, "Do you go for daddy?" You're a gopher.

What? You go for this, you go for that. You go for your old man. Mhm. In a big way.

Oh yeah. We have a kiss. Like, do you go for dad or like what? Like that's a weird thing cuz she's going to be a gopher. Did you go for this? You go for that. You go for daddy. I was like, "Oh, I felt weird. Never should you talk to your daughter like that?"

That he was like the actor is like, "Look, I'm the lead of this movie. Would you like to get dinner? Who cares about this?" I'd love to talk to you about the business when we go back to Hollywood. Put it in there. We both know that. Now, I understand that obviously we need to have our bears out there killing people, but this is a movie that takes place in a state park and it feels like they've never had a bear problem ever, right? Like they have no infrastructure to deal with this grizzly, but yet also this grizzly is not just a grizzly that's out for killing. It's a giant grizzly that has never been se. It's like it's a Godzilla of grizzlies, which is also

It's a psycho grizzly. It It's 20 ft tall. Yes. I mean, they keep saying they're finding claw marks 18 ft up in tree. Like, it is. And when they try and give you perspective when the bear finally gets Yeah. When the bear finally gets to the festival, some people Yes. appear as though they're looking at a kaiju. And some people are like, "Oh, there's a bear over there." Well, my favorite part is when the bear kills. Like, there's like a little There's a couple things that we're following. We're following We're following the bear people trying to solve the bear problem. We're following the concert people. We're And then we're also following this poachers.

Well, this is what I was talking about. This drug dealer. Well, the drug dealer from Jamaica who's got great weed from Hawaii.

I thought that he was Oh, how about the guy who was running it with the cool glasses who I love that guy.

That guy had a great You know who that kind of reminded me of you know I just I was playing cards last night and I heard and I can't believe I heard this for the first time. I'm sure you guys know this,

but do you know about Joanie Mitchell's uh blackface era? Oh, yeah. No, I do. Jason, can you tell Paul about it? Cuz I just heard about it yesterday.

I mean, not blown. Wow. Wow. Jason is wearing a Joanie Mitchell shirt as a Incredible timing. They have re they have in modern times changed the um the jacket the cover art for Don Juan's Reckless Daughter because it featured uh a picture one. So Joanie for a period of time would do a blackface character

and she would go to parties at it. I'm looking at it right now. Exactly. Oh lord. Oh yeah.

Oh lord. Yes. Paul, this is a real thing. Whatever you are imagining, you will be more shocked when you see it. It looks like she's out of a black exploitation film. Like I mean this is like a character that might have been in Dolomite the way that the way that I'm looking at it right here. Wow.

Joanie Mitchell that she was doing this at parties in Laurel Canyon and everybody was like

wow. I mean and and by the way and I want to call out cuz you said it like yeah she's in blackface but she's also in drag. Like she's she's a black man. It's a she is a it's a man. Yes, you're right.

Oh my lord. All right. Now, I will say just to kind of lift up my theory that the the lead actor was trying to get some flirting in. This is a quote that uh that the uh the nurse Ratchet uh said, Luis Fcher, she said that when she met with the director, Andre Sauts, he said, "Did you read the script?" And she said, "Yes, of course, I read the script." And he goes, "Movie, we make nothing to do with script."

So, so that hear from a director and then say, "Yes." I love that the director was like, "No, no, no." And then we won't use that. So, so that that we get the idea that this movie is kind of loose and letting everybody go, you know, wherever they want to go here. But I will say that it causes a lot of weird problems because at one point when they're having a meeting about the concert, there's a line where a character says, "We're going to have 80 to 100,000 people here." And then I was like, "Okay." Oh, I sorry. I was like, "Now I'm saying it out loud. Now it makes sense." I was thinking Katie like 800 to 100,000. Now I see it. I was about to I was like, you know what? I think we all saw that happen to you in real time.

Yeah. I was like, what's so bad about that? And I was like, oh, I I just saw that.

That makes sense. Heads up. Yeah. In my mind, I was like, how could you have less than 100 or more than 100,000? You really don't know how well your tickets are selling if that's where you're at.

Well, and by the way, projecting anywhere between 80 people and 100,000. the staff. Like, how many security people do we hire? Like, I honestly don't know.

How many drinks do we have at concessions? I mean, that's why that's why I thought that they were so confused like, "Yeah, we don't have enough security guards for this event. We only have about 55 people here.

We either have so much security or so little. We hired 1500 people." I also like that Bears like have this, this is a very Jaws 4 kind of territory. Jaws 4. He's hunting down the family that killed

Wait a second. Well, wasn't that also called the revenge? It was Jason Jaws for the revenge. Yes. With Michael Kaine. Uh, and yes. So, this this is a bear that is just m and it seems like the bear is so specific about enacting revenge, but not on the people that created the situation. Like the first kill are just three innocent kids who were not the poachers and then he seems to kill only innocent people. Like there's no like I mean the poachers I guess finally get it.

I love speaking of the poachers. Yeah, they were fun. I like those poachers. I wish I wish we'd been with them more. The the part where the guy is talking about how they're going to split the money when they sell the bear's gallbladder and he's just inexplicably holding a rabbit around the neck in shot like this. He's like, "It's split 100,000. I'm not good with numbers, but 4 * 4 is 25 and but times 2 is 50 and then there's no and then suddenly the poachers are are shooting each other." Well, by the way, that that scene about the the gallbladder money. What I loved about that was like they come in like, "Hey Luke, your brother's dead." Anyway, I think we go kill that bear. And then we go get his gallbladder and he's like they they just run over that your brother was killed by a bear.

He's like, "My brother's dead." Oh no. And they're like, "Yeah, man. Get over out. We got this." That's how we should all start treating it, though.

Let's just start living like we're in Grizzly too. Oh, we got to become poachers.

Everybody does. I wasn't there a scene I'm I was at that point of the movie I was getting mad at it. But were they all like start wrestling or dancing or they wake up? What was that moment where I was like they were just such like clown performers where they were just letting everyone where they're drinking? Oh yes.

They're just letting everybody know that they're trained actors. Yeah. And they're like they're grabbing each other's butts and dancing around. I was

clearly four men and you see this a lot with actors where four men in their 50s where all of a sudden they were like, "Man, this takes me back. Now we get to act." And you're like, "What is this movement? You're a poacher."

No. Now they're like they're feeling they were actors. I do feel like America is currently in its poacher era. Like the country definitely feels like we're consumed by poacher. The poacher mentality.

It's all of a sudden really cool to like murder a lion and stand by it. There was an era where we all admitted like that sucks and now we're like that's pretty cool, man. It's a pretty big ass lion you murdered for no reason.

Now in this world a lot of people getting infected with the poacher mind virus.

They But here's the thing. These poachers don't even care that they would be killing a big bear. They're like, "We just got to get this gallbladder back to San Francisco." Like that's it. like they they're they're not even like it would be a great kill. Yeah.

And I love it too. I always love that the poachers are always after the thing that is reported to be an aphrodesiac.

Like that's it. All they want is money and sex. Yes. Yeah. All they want is the money and the boners. That's it. That's what we a thumbs up appeared on Paul's screen. You said money and boners.

That might have But you didn't. I wish it was not. I maybe it was me just giving the thumbs up.

No, it was I literally think you were thinking such a positive thing that your computer heard your thoughts and popped a thumbs up.

You have the you have the neural link set right? You are the first neural link.

It came with my Tesla. It was not a big deal. Uh I was in and out in the same day. It was great. Uh

speaking speaking of boners. Yes. How about the George Clooney Laura Durn opening? Like all of a sudden I was like he's really slopping kisses on and then she does that weird European dance when she takes her clothes off. I was like

this is a wild and then Chuck Sheen looking hot is like hiding up in the woods. I was like here

it's like these three people are going to go camping and with the like implicit knowledge like and then when we [ __ ] you got to go away from us like just go like around the corner. So, I also want to just highlight for everybody cuz I don't know if you all noticed, but they say that they hiked they hiked 20 miles and Laura Durn is wearing a strappy wedge heeled sandal. She's wearing a 2in wedge heeled sandal. They look great. They look great.

Movies used to do a thing that I thought was going to be adulthood and it's not. And that is if you go out with a couple,

they're going to [ __ ] so soon and you're just expected to like run up a hill. That's never happened.

Here's the thing. They're going to start while you're there. Yes. Start while you're there and it's up it's incumbent on you to know, hey, I got to make myself

If I don't get out of here, I'm just watching my friends have intercourse. Like

And then I'm And then I'm the bad guy. Yeah. Like hold on. I'm not a pervert. I'm the

I'm in my sleeping bag watching you guys. Where else am I going to look? Look me up.

And by the way, touching myself. You're having sex right near me. I'm not watching you and masturbating. I was masturbating and I see you.

It was in the middle of their conversation, too. It wasn't like, "Hey, we're turning out for the night." It was like, "Hey, yeah, I saw that movie. That was kind of good. All right, we're now we're [ __ ] wait." It was like they they start going at it.

There was also the intimation. It also felt like there was intimate they were intimating that Charlie Sheen was in love with Laura Durn but that she was with Clooney, right?

Like I felt like they were setting that up in the or Charlie was just adding a layer for a scene.

Maybe you're right. But I was trying to be like, "Okay, oh, so this isn't going to be a movie about this these three andah." And then I was like, "Oh, wait. All three die immediately in the same scene? This is crazy."

You know, that's a bit Yeah, that's a bit though that people have been trying to do. They probably have at this point, but there was a period for like every big action comedy movie.

It was try to get the biggest star you can and have him die in the first scene.

Oh yeah, they actually do it in this. And I will tell you it's a Yes, that's exactly right. The other guys did it. But you're like, it's a funny idea. What's disappointing in it is that you're like, I would love to see those three in this movie as opposed to having to watch these other guys. You've pulled the car. You've pulled the rug out from under us now because now we have to not be with these people.

They were actually Charlie Sheen and George and Laura Durn deal with a grizzly more than I want to see that weird pervert with the beard hitting on his daughter.

I I also here's the other thing. You know, you were upset that Charlie Sheen didn't go do Karate Kid. I kind of think he would have been too cool to be Karate Kid. Like Charlie Sheen, great actor, especially in that time, but I don't I don't know if he's got the uh like I don't feel like, you know, uh William Zabco could be beating up Charlie Sheen. I feel like Charlie Sheen would just like lay him out. One, two, three.

How about a young Charlie Sheen? Yeah. You know, Charlie Sheen post Major League and post Great uh Platoon.

Yeah, right. But we just grew up on that guy. But the other guy was uh Amelio's little goofball brother.

Okay. Amelio was the hunk. Charlie was Carlos Estim, which is a statement you never think you're going to say. Amelio was the hun.

But by the way, Amelio at that era. Oh my god, he's the guy. And then his little brother Carlos, get out of here, dude. You're not even that good of an actor.

I I love You just want to do what Amelio does. You're talented. I love when like when Andrew McCarthy comes to Amelio's house in that documentary he did about the Brat Pack. Like I I like Amelio a lot. Like he's just over it. Like not into this guy. And you can see Amelio getting like low-key pissed off at him like, "All right, man. Get the [ __ ] out of my house now." Like like, "Oh, this documentary is great." It's basically Andrew McCarthy um not getting over that there was one article that called him the brat pack and everyone else is over it. Like to the point where like like except for him and he's like trying to get people to be like, "Aren't you upset about this?" No. No. And like it goes so far to

years ago, man. Like Rob Low literally is like, "Are you kidding me? It's the best [ __ ] time of my life. Amazing. It was great." Yeah. Like everyone's like, "No, it was fine. It was fine." He's like, "No, it labeled us. It was bad.

You were wronged." And just can't get anyone on the world cares. But just holding on to a a a grudge or a a grievment in a way that is just not even remotely acceptable at this age.

What I will say, even though I agree he's insane, imagine being in that group where you guys think you're the next thing.

Oh yeah. And you're like, "We finally done it. You're everybody's young and cool. You're doing good stuff. And you're like, they got the Rap Pack. Then you got the Jack Nicholson crew. You got the Pacinos of the Nero. Who are we? And you the Brat Pack?

No, we're doing good movies. Didn't they Wasn't there a an attempt to label the Vince Vaughn, Jack Black generation as the Frat Pack? I'm remembering that after old school vibe.

That's it. That's I think what it was maybe. Yeah. And it seems like I mean everything I've read from that time the brat pack it's like this this writer had a little bit of an edge. He was like [ __ ] these people like cuz they're out partying and they're being cool like and there's a little bit of a you know

mean. It was mean but it was uh but if you're right they were doing good movies or at least movies were awesome.

Yeah. They were great movies. The great actors also also what a way to elevate a dumb article.

Yes. Which is to become obsessed with it. To become obsessed with one piece of writing. Imagine like Tim Shalamé, Austin Butler, whoever else are these like, you know, Jeremy Allen White, all this like great group and you're like guys, this whole group together, put them in a cover and call them like the new geek squad.

You're like, "No, these guys aren't the Geek Squad." You're like, "The geeks are finally running Hollywood." And then Austin Butler on a motorcycle being like, "The geeky James Dean." You're like, "Uh,

just straight from bike riders." It would just we could kill him every and then everybody called him the geek squad.

It would be it would we should get that going now. We should just that we should be like

we should encourage people. We should tell everybody that all of those young Hollywood hot actors are the Geeks.

Yeah, the new Superman movie has got a couple of Geek Squad guys in it. Like the lead that lead guy's in the Geek Squad and then the woman from uh Masels was she's a Geek Squad.

She's kind of geek squad. You do it like you do. You feel like Nico is British Geek Squad.

You know what we could actually do? How yacht music is? Yeah, it's very clear who's yacht music and who's not. We could actually create real rules in the Geek Squad cuz I will say the woman from uh Masel is not Geek Squad, but I do think the lead Superman is Geek Squad.

Yeah. Well, Geek Squ definitely Nicholas Holt is Geek Squad according to us. Nichol is is pretty close to Geek Squad.

Austin Butler is Geek Squad. Prime Geek Squad. And I think that this is like what all we have to do is say it with confidence and then people will start to adopt it. Like it's now here's the question. How how soon are we going to get a cease and desist from Best Buy?

We're spelling squad differently. Okay, good. Um, who is the Mount Rushmore of Geek Squad?

All right, so Tim got Austin Butler. I think Jeremy Ellen White Jeremy Ellen White.

Like I'm trying to think of who else is there. Is there a lady in the geek squad or is it a very much a

I mean Margot Robbie is not in there. Is Tom Holland Geek Squad? He was before them. No, they think so. Yeah,

they started a little bit younger. They got their own thing. Oh, Jacob Allerty should be in the Geek Squad.

Yes, Geek Squad. Is Geek Squad? Yeah, he's total Geek Squad and he's great. Oh, I'm assuming somebody is going to photoshop all of these actors wearing uh Geek Squad polos.

Oh my god. But those guys as the pillars of Geek Squad is awesome. And guess what?

Anybody who's been rocking a tiny mustache lately, Geek Squad. Geek Squad. I love Geek Squad. Geek Squad. And all we need to do is just get a couple like send a little article into Deadline. send a like a a blind submission into Doom Mua and be like saw some geek squaders out there on street squad sq w a d squad

sq that is oh geek squad funny here's what I'll say and I know we're having is geek squad or is she too early for geek squad I mean

actually might be oh you know who else is is Glenn Powell Glenn Powell but he's a little bit older

he's been he's been to me he's he predates Geek Squad But he and her in that romantic movie they did might have been the

birth that's a geek that's a Geek Squad romcom. But that is like the beginning of like there's a movement here. These guys made $100 million doing this movie. I think this was the birth of Geek Squad.

Here's what I want to be very clear to say. I want to be in Geek Squad. We all want to be in Geek Squad, but you I don't know if you can be in Geek Squad Squad right now. You want to be in Geek Squad so bad. I'll shave a mustache.

So old. Can't be in Geek Squad. We are kids. I'm I'm Geek Squad dad. Here's what you could do in Geek Squad. You could play a guy who works at a store when the Geek Squad comes in as a cool scene and you can go like, "Excuse me, you forgot to pay."

Now, here's the thing. The reason why they're Geek Squad is because they bought a a hangout place. They bought an old Best Buy and that's where they can actually party and just be away from

like the Blues Brothers guy. Yes. Yeah. This is This is And guess what? Because now New York and LA sucks,

you know. So they actually got it in like near Omaha. Yeah. Yeah. It's out of New on the outskirts of New Mexico.

Like a midsize city in America. It's the best. All right. So here's I'm just going to give you a couple people. Just tell me yes or no. Are they Geek Squad? Uh Margaret Quali. Geek Squad.

Geek Squad. Yeah, she feels Geek Squad. Geek Squad. Pretty Geek Squad. Yeah, she's very Geek Squad, I would say. Uh, and then I mean and then I would go on the fence with like Haley Steinfeld. I mean, she's been around for a while. She's Okay. All right. And then Florence Pew.

No. No. Okay. And I I agree with, by the way, I agree with I This is the one that I'm the most

Who are we? Who are we to judge? You know who we are, Jason? We're fans of the Geek Squad.

Yes. Yes. Just like I'm a fan of the Brat Pack. Big time. Jenna Ortega. Geek Squad.

Geek Squad. Uh, big time is right now. I'm looking I'm looking through some names here. I We had Anna Taylor Joy, but I I don't know if she's Geek Squad. I don't know.

I don't think she's Geek Squad. I don't feel like she's Geek Squad. We got to make something very clear about Geek Squad. And this is I think what you were saying, Jason, with the we want to be in the movie.

This isn't an insult. No movement of people. So to say the frat pack, guess those guys were frat pack.

Yeah. Vince Vaughn, Jack Black, Owen Wilson. They seemed like the funniest guys in a frat. Will Ferrell. Yes. That you were like, "Yeah, they probably didn't like that." They're like, "We don't. No, we're serious actors who are comedic actors." But I was like, "I don't know. When you guys all get together, it just feels like you're laughing at those funny older guys that you go, I'm not in your frat, but you guys are so funny." Yeah. Geek Squad fixes all the technology. Yeah. This is a good thing. Now, there were other ones. The Brit Pack. The RIP pack was Gary Oldman, Tim Roth, Colin FTH, uh Daniel D Lewis. Then there was uh the Rap Pack Revival. Well, I guess that's just them older. I'm I'm looking at some websites here that

this feels like AI created those two. This the ITG girl boom. I don't know if that's a thing.

Deadline tried to create that. I guess really Brit Pack Brit Pack and Fat and Fatpack is in here. It's uh

You were going to say fat pack. I was like that's that's mean-spirited. They're like, "Oh man, my movie in Alaska got put in the fat pack."

I do like Geek Squad. Geek Squad feels Geek Squad's great. Yeah. But and but I'll tell you what's positive about Geek Squad.

Cuz for older people, when you buy technology and you get your first big flat screen, you're putting on a wall and you go,

I don't know how to hang it and get all these different things in there. When the gig squad shows up, you think this is the wrong name for what you do

because it's a hell of a service. You're very good at it. It's very efficient and you fixed my house.

They are the squad. This is what I see. They're the bridge from the old to new. Because look, you know what? My mom may not be interested in going to the movies every week, but she knows Timothy Shalomé. He bridges. He bridges.

You know what I like about Timmy uh Timmy C? When he wins that award, he gets up there and goes, "I want to be one of the greats."

Yeah. Great. I want to be in the original rap pack. That's why I got my Geek Squad.

That guy Jacob is hot as hell. He's doing cool movies. Sydney Sweeny's doing the new heights.

Yeah. You're like, you guys are killing it. This is a group. The Geek Squad is coming.

This is the next generation. And by the way, all they lack all they lack is a moniker.

We're speaking about this as if they all listen to the podcast and are like, "We're so mad right now." They're so like

here's But here's what I will say, man. And here's what the new era which we all know has changed and it's way more about technology. So now who like you know this movie I just did the dink we were talking about. Well what's the release of it? Apple bought it. Okay cool. So what does that mean? Who knows? You know what the Geek Squad does? Fixes your technology.

Yeah. They make technology cool where I go when I hear this stuff as an oldtimer I go like well what's the theatrical release? How many? And they go like hey gezer call the Geek Squad. They're like, "Hey Jake, your movie is coming out on TikTok in 90 second intervals. It's going to have a 22 week.

I'll never I'll never do it." You got one guy in the geek squad. All of a sudden, I'm going, "I would love to be in I'd love to be the waiter in the restaurant of your 90 second mic."

Can I tell you Leonardo DiCaprio is in Tik Toks now with the young girl from uh one battle after the other like he's trying to get a little bit of that taste cuz she's trying to get I mean she's trying to get in that geek spot. I'm sure. I think this is I think one of the demarcating lines for the Geek Squad is they are a generation of digital native actors. They are they get it.

They get they get it and they grew up with it. But you know what you got to also say about the Geek Squad and this is you can't get a job at Best Buy in the Geek Squad unless you're one of the best at it.

Yeah. Well, let's not let's not loft the Geek Squad up that high. I feel like it wasn't that.

I'm going to Paul. Paul, I'm going to tell you the greatest actors of our generation.

Oh, no. They are the greatest actors. I'm just saying we're putting a lot of we're putting a lot of weight on the the job interview process for the Gig Squad.

How about this? Imagine if you have a new stereo. You're trying to get it set. Yeah, sure.

You pay the 85 bucks. Some guy shows up. He's from the gig squad and he goes, "Don't know,

right? They know everything." You better know, dude. And guess what? I've had them here a lot. They always know.

I like the geek squad. Now, they might have to come back two or three times. Sure. They don't have all the stuff in their truck.

And guess what? They don't charge each time. No, cuz they they they will come. They will do the Yeah, they get it.

It's a compliment to be in the Geek Squad. I like the Geek Squad. Um, now I will say if you're ever in if you're ever in the outskirts of New Mexico, stop by. Yeah, just hang out. You maybe see him walk in and out of that Best Buy. Uh, you see Sha bringing he has they bring their own like chairs in there and stuff. They're cool. Uh, this movie, Grizzly 2. Uh, you know,

who gives a [ __ ] We're talking about Geek Squad. Geek Squad. I just need to figure out who else is Geek Squad.

Here's my question. Did you guys feel like that the bear in this movie would have better would have been better if they had cast instead maybe one of the uh bears from Country Bears Jamberee

like one of the big maybe Liver lips McGrael or Teddy Barra you know Big Al the bears from Country Bear Jamboree more emotive. I

I love that you ended on Big Al. The most notable Big uh bear from uh Country Bear Jamberee. Um

I'm just going in order. Okay, I will say this. There's a I mean many famous stories about why Jaws worked, right? The the shark didn't work. There's a play The Shark Still Not Working. There's books about how the shark didn't work. And what did Spielberg do? He took that and used it to create something that was full of drama and tension. It feels like in movies like this, they're like, "Yeah, the bear doesn't look real. I'll shoot it anyway." Like, no one ever has learned from the lesson. It's like, "Oh, yeah. Well, what he did was not shoot the shark." Yeah.

And made a movie without it until the very end. And then Yeah. The crazy thing is the bear clearly could not move. So, it was just a matter of putting the bear in the foreground or the background of shots and having the what whatever. So, it'd be like the concert and the bear would be super close to lens and you could see the concert fuzzy in the background and you're like, "Oh, oh, the I guess the bear has gotten to the concert." Again, a 100,000 people at a concert. One big

480 480 80 people. A big grizzly bear is a threat at a 100,000 people. By the way, they are protected. They are protected because they're in a grouping of It's not like they're all across.

Well, the concert doesn't stop, though. The concert isn't interrupted by the bear.

A man from the future playing. There's a band from 2016 doing 2016 banger. The show's going to go on.

I mean, first of all, this is so big that John Reese Davies, who is a bigger man, was able to jump on it like a telephone pole. Uh, and like

the strongest man ever. a strong very strong man. Um Bushard Bushard getting that human sense

he's got the um what is it the the lasso made of of bear he and Steven Seagal and I don't know who invented this look

but there was a style in the 80s that some bigger thicker white guys invented where it was just taking a few cultures throwing on an accent where I don't know where it was from maybe doing a high pony maybe having a thin beard And it was just culturally.

So you're just describing cigaul. Yeah. And maybe the beard is heavily dyed. And maybe

maybe he also plays blues guitar. Maybe he does a casian accent. Maybe he became a sheriff. Oh my god.

Maybe he released an energy drink as well. And maybe he became friends with Putin.

Maybe he has Russian citizenship. Now, one quick question and then I will drop this cuz I I can tell from the tone of you two it's time to move on and I'm sure your audience is ready to go. Are we going back to the Geek Squad?

I just need to finish with Geek Squad. And look, I do it on my own podcast all the time. It's over. Everybody's bored of it. But

if we were to recast this movie with Geek Squad, okay, this is a question. Love it. Who's playing who?

Who is now? Now, let's not start with Charlie Sheen. Those guys. We have to have the three of them play themselves in this movie as old guys.

Who's Buchard? Who is Buch? You wanted to start with Buchard's the big character.

Or only because he's big. He's a big is like 6'2 or 63. I was only starting with Buchard because it's the only character I know by name.

Okay. How about the main guy with the beard? Who's your true protagonist? That's Jeremy Ellen White.

You got to be totally right. Yeah, that that feels. Who is the blonde woman who cares about conservation?

Bear scientist. A bear scientist. Or I could see that also being played with a Jenna Ortega kind of a sure. Sure.

In your dream world, who would you cast? Well, no. I think what you do is you cast Jenna Ortega as Jeremy Ellen White's daughter.

That's the That's the play. And that's and that's the weirdness of the same setup as you go for daddy. Yeah. Do you go for daddy? The same age. Okay, great. I like this. Um,

then then you've got Jacob as Brashard. Yeah, I think so. I mean, there aren't any like there aren't any big uh Geek Squads.

Well, because you got to get behind the TV at times. I know. We need We need like a a big Who's the big

You need a guy to bring in this stuff. Yeah, the delivery guy in Geek Squad. I I'm also thinking like who is who's our deliverance crew? Like these are our actor actors. I may I may pull a lordy into the deliverance crew like Haltordy like it's it's these uh you know these guys are going a little bit maybe I'm trying to think of another one in that world that could be going real deep in the DC can get deep in the poacher he

yeah oh yeah he would be great there you go that's a good poacher crew all right I feel pretty good about that happy with it

I like it and you know and maybe what I do I could also see Sydney Sweeney as a lady poacher

same I about to say and I didn't want to say it. I think there would be a female poacher now and there would be no comments about the fact that there was a female poacher.

Well, Jake, I was going to say this. I want to move off my original casting and pitch you both. You know, I don't know if you are familiar, but Sydney Sweeney is now in this boxing bulked up in this boxing movie. I'm like, maybe she's Buchard.

Whoa. I actually love it. I don't like it. I don't like it. Now, I hear why it's a good pitch,

right? Okay. But I feel like it's going to be a big thing that Hollywood's going to like. We're going to be excited about and no one in the world's going to like it.

They don't want to see. They don't want to see her like jumping on a bear. No, they're going to go. You got Sydney Swy, one of the greatest looking actresses in the game. You got her in a black weird wig and a beard and she's heavy.

Wait, you're She's going to Joanie Mitchell it. She's going to play a man. Hey, Brousard doesn't change. You got to wear the same clothes.

Oh, wow. I was reimagining Buchard. Okay. Oh, that's different. Okay. All right. All right. Now, now we're on the same page.

I want to see J's clothes. Yeah. All right. Then back back to the original cast.

Fullen valor. Full cultural appropriation. And he's the only character. I want it word perfect. Everybody else can rethink his stuff.

Accent perfect too. It's got to hit that. Um, I will say this, if I was also casting, I don't know if she's fully in Geek Squad, but I don't know if you remember, but there is a Frenchmade waitress that is serving people in the uh during the concert. There's like Oh, there's a a moment where they cut away to like a server like just delivering drinks on the table where like the uh the summit captain is like and she's just dressed like from like a murder mystery like like that kind of maid's outfit. Totally.

And I was like that could be Sabrina Carpenter. I think she could do a fun part in there. You know, Sabrina squad. I think Sabrina Carpenter is Geek Squad.

Well, she's a musician. I don't know if we put musicians in. I wouldn't look I wouldn't put her ord I'm speaking generationally. They like they are Geek Squad adjacent.

They might be adjacent, but I'm not putting those. I'm fine with it. I'm not going to I'm not

I hear exactly what you're saying. No, I mean it's it's right, but it's also wrong. But here's the thing to be clear. Taylor Swift not not

but hangs with Geek Squad, but is above Geek Squad. respect. Look, is Jennifer Lawrence like the godmother of Geek Squad?

That's what I was thinking. Well, that's what I like. I feel like that's Geek Squad, but without if you don't There's no Geek Squad without Jennifer Lawrence.

I I agree. I agree. Like you want that like you and you want those people like you know Tom Cruz famously not in the Brat Pack.

But with if there's no Tommy Cruz, there's no Brat Pack. Exactly. No Jennifer Lawrence, you would never have Geek Squad. But when she broke on the scene, you're like, she's a great actress. She's great looking. She also could she kind of could be in Geek Squad though, too. I think

she's the original Geek Squad before there was enough Geek Squad to fill it in. Like that's why she's like, "Oh, she's Geek Squad." I think I think she paved the way for Geek Squad to exist.

Yeah, she walked so Geek Squad could run. But you're right that she is a little bit different because she's also connected to the older generation. So, she's a little bit old school.

I would put her more in the Haley Steinfeld. Totally. They're in another They're in another way.

But also Haley's Haley walked so they could run. And well, where is Zenaia? Zena that way. Shay Woodley and Tom Holland are in whatever that group is. They just don't have a title.

Okay, got it. They have their own thing going on. But Geek Squad definitely I got to say we might be wrong on Jeremy White.

I you know I actually think that too. I was going to He's not Geek Squad. He's not too old. If you remember Squad, right? And also look at him from Shameless

cuz of Shameless. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, if there was no, but he certainly seems to be culturally geek squad.

You know who he is? If he was a beatnick, he's William Burroughs. Uh, okay. He's not in them.

He's older, but you're like, they all love him. They don't rever him. I don't think they look up to him the way that the Beats looked up to Burroughs.

I think they do deep down. Really? I think they all want to be in the Bear. I I think I think you want to have you want you want somebody want to be Bruce Springsteen.

You Yeah. I Paul Mscal. Geek Squad. Geek Squad. Geek Squad. Yeah. Right. British the British Geek Squad.

I think he takes uh Jeremy Allen. Yes. I think I don't think that's right. I think he's

I think he's just a little bit different. I don't I I agree. He also rich cigarettes publicly.

Yeah. He's I think he's just a little I think the geek squad has to have a little bit of youth on them, too. It's a very fine line.

What's interesting as well is almost everybody we've talked about are feature film actors and Jeremy Allen White is primarily a TV actor.

Yeah. Does that change it? Well, we'll see at this award season, by the way. Yeah. But but no, Jeremy Allen White's going to do whatever he wants now.

Oh, the world. I mean, he's incredibly talented. Don't get You are right. Uh, but I do think the reason that Jeremy is a different animal is he's a veteran and I know I don't count when you're a kid actor and you

I like Adam Driver. Yeah. Yes. But but Adam but Adam Driver is for sure not Geek Squad. No way. But he's just one of those vet you're like at a certain point you are without a group and these guys eventually will one of them will make a documentary where they'll go like can you believe those guys on that podcast called us the geeks go and the other ones will go I never heard it. They wrecked They wrecked our careers. They wrecked our burgeoning careers. Once a podcast,

you mean those geysers in their closets? Uh, we are definitely making a Geek Squad shirt for this episode. I feel like we should list them all like your favorite players from a basketball team or something. By the way, Geek Squad does still exist. I am looking here. It does. I was going to ask. Uh, you can chat with a Geek Squad agent at any time if you give them a call. But again, we're not spelled the same way. We're not The Arg Squad is not spelled the same way. Wow. We really went I mean we did it.

I don't even think I don't even know we have anything more to say about the movie.

That's what I I kind of feel like we've we've done it all. We've said it all. And I will tell you this. Uh Jake, I love your show. You are fantastic on this podcast. You're fantastic and everything, but I just want to talk about this podcast because uh we're here to help. It's like Monday, Wednesdays, occasionally some Fridays. You got great rotating people coming in. Uh, but you and Gareth are great. You are funny. There. Jason, have you ever done it?

No. Never done it. I I've never been invited. You are publicly invited. I would furious.

June and I have both done it. I'm going to court you from here on out. Yes. But not for Geek Squad. Uh Jun and I have done it. And it's what I think it's so fun is it. By the way, if you like this episode where we are devolving into Geek Squad, I think you're going to love uh we're here to help because it it is it is a show that is prone to uh fun tangents. You get to go off.

I got to tell you, our base audience gets very upset with me. I'm the one that liking the least these days.

Oh my god. Just because you chase down the tangent. What's funny about a base audience, which I love our group, and it's what I didn't realize this about podcasts, they're like you just form your group and every once in a while you get some new people, but there's the main group. The main group has so many opinions.

Oh, yeah. And so mad. Our audience is going to be very upset about this. Just wait. Yes. This episode is going to be infuriating to them

that we had this great that this movie that we have now spent and by the way, I wouldn't change a beat. I can't believe I watched that whole movie and they didn't talk about it for more than 10 minutes.

They get They get so The audience gets They're obviously just jealous of younger actors. Geek Squad [ __ ] I wish Nick Miller would stop talking so much

and that guy who kind of looks like him. Oh, they're so mean. I will tell you this much fun.

There is um there this is some facts that are I think are interesting about it. You talk about the the bears being uh bad. They went to David Prrowse, who played Darth Vader, to be the bear and he interviewed and uh then they said, "You know what? We don't need that guy. We'll just hire a very tall mime."

Um and they hired a mime. Is that true? Yep. Uh they went with a Hungarian mime. And uh

I did feel like when they did were able to trap the bear in the invisible box, that did that that was satisfying.

By the way, that's the best ending moment of any movie. a bear running through a conscious stage, getting caught in it, and I guess electrocuted.

Electrocuted. Electrocuted. And then what was that final line from Nurse Ratchet where she said like,

"You stand part of the show." Yes. Yes, it is. That's a weird ending. Oh, very weird. No, we don't we don't catch up with any of the main characters again.

No resolution. We end on tertiary characters. not real joke lives. And why does she even want to get back? Like, so she's now running a public park and she wants to get back to DC, but it would seem like she was disgraced in some way. She's like the Congress. The way she's trying to impress them is to invite them to her rock concert in the park.

Doesn't make any sense. And and then I also love the way they speak about the rock concert like this is how you've set it up. It's like yeah, it's a one night only event. We will be building until the show starts and then we will be taking it down. It's not like you you built the house and we're having an it's like yeah that's that we're building a stage for one night. Yeah. This is it. We don't you didn't build Woodstock a year before Woodstock happened. Like no. It's like the stages are still up. You never take them down.

And and this there's so many ideas here that were just not executed in any way as far as like simple plot. Yeah. They didn't finish.

I couldn't tell you what the story was for most of these characters. They just seem to be scenes stitched together in it could be like in any order almost.

To talk to your audience for a second who's upset about this episode and the tangent we went on. Is this not the perfect type of episode for Grizzly 2? A stitched together movie that has no throughine that all of a sudden you're in a movie from 83. Then you're in a karaoke video and a guy and I go, "What am I literally watching?"

Yeah. And then it just goes to the left. Then there's a scene between a dad and a daughter that's sexual

and I go, "What?" And she's like, "I'm going to make you proud." Then you're I'm like, "What galaxy?" So, of course, we went to Geek Squad because Grizzly 2 made us go there.

You can't control where we go. Grizzly 2 inspired Geek Squad. That's this is part of the legacy, the longl lasting legacy. Well, uh, that's the time that we have to spend with Grizzly 2. And, and you know, if there was any doubt in your mind, we're not going to do second opinions today only because who really has an earnest fivestar review? But, you know, and I don't think there are many, but I will tell you that there is one that we found. Actually, Molly found it. Um, our investigation has led us to believe that this is from the uh the special effects designer. So, I'll read it to you. Uh, the movie is given five out of five stars and uh and the title is called Crew Perspective. I read the comments that there were problems with the animatronic 14t bear. That might be what the texts were told in the US, but there was no such item. The 14- foot version was a puppet that was intended to be used on the fullsize stage and all

those shots were completed before leaving Hungary. The half-size animatronic version was complete and working prior to leaving Hungary 2 and we shot tests of it at that time. I had an agreement with Joe Proctor to direct halfsize effects and elements. Other than that, there was a man in a suit version that was complete. We were finished and ready to shoot in coordination with the storyboard that I also supervised with Tony Beasley. The money dried up and the crews personal equipment was seized by the government who told us that they were held against non-payment of production bills. We never got our stuff out of there. And that's why guys, we're going to make the movie that the Geek Squad will star in where they go in and get the camera equipment. They go back to Hungary. feel like how many other reels of unseen film are there on the shelves in random countries.

Miami Connection is a found in a storage locker, right? There are these movies that people find and uh look, that's that's what we did. We did this. We did it. Jake, thank thank you for being with us. Uh I love the Geek Squad. Uh and

I'm going to think about the Geek Squad a lot. Yeah, we're gonna I'm assuming we're going to start a text thread about the need because look, I know it's it shouldn't catch on, but it's really good.

I really I really like the Geek Squad and if we can just subtly get it out there like I this is what I've seen kind of pop up. I know it's a little inside baseball, but I've heard a lot of executives use the term meta and they've called and and they go, "Well, Barbie's meta." And then I've heard like naked guns meta. And I and I think that they don't want to call it a comedy, so they call it meta. So I think that these things can take on like Barbie's not meta. It's it's, you know, it's but I think that like all we need to do is say it to a couple people and make them feel uncomfortable about like we don't explain it.

The three of us have the kind of reach in meetings where all we need to say maybe here's the goal.

Yeah. We never say that this is where it started. We've just heard it where you go like, "Oh, Withering Heights looks great." And then you go like, "Well, I mean, you got one of the kings of the Greek squad in it, so you know it's going to, you know, not only is it going to work financially, but you know it's going to be good quality." And they go, "One of the members." And you go, "Oh, the squad." No, you just call them the squad. The squad.

That's the And it needs to come back to us. That's when we know that we sq a dad.

Yes. when we hear it from someone else. I also think we should say it as if we obviously we we didn't come up with this, but like oh, what are what do they call them? Uh the Geek Squad.

Yeah. You know, we could here's what we could do, guys. We got to call them the G Squad.

Oh, I like that. Hide it a little bit more. And then we Where did that even come from?

You just said Jason sounded insane. Well, yeah, I know. Well, you know that's what you've been saying for about 1 hour. Because we also look alike hearing you say and looking like me. I realize we're crazy.

That's what it's going to sound. That's what that's what the experience is. Yes. It's not good. We can't be a bunch of 50-year-olds being like calling the young hunks and and hotties the Geek Squad.

This is a bad idea. Abort. Abort. I just got a text from Jake that says edit all the Geek Squad stuff out.

I thought it was a compliment. Abort. It sounds terrible coming from us. I'm going to say it like this. I'm big, oh man, you see one battle after another. I loved it. I mean, Alana Hay, though, trying to get in that G Squad. I mean,

by the way, what do you mean? Oh, just the younger generation are taking over. You know, I thought I honestly I love everything Paul Thomas Anderson does. It was nice seeing Leo. You throw a guy from the G- Squad in that movie, though. I think it's going to be way that's box. I mean, look, and I think but the problem is I think Paul Thomas Anderson got so caught up in trying to make somebody from the G- Squad with like Chase Infinity, who's great, but she's not full. Guess what? G Squad sounds like Gangster Squad, and that's cool.

Or or it sounds like God Squad. Yeah. You know, I'm just saying. Holy cow. Oh man. Oh man. Tremble really wants that G-spot action. What a wild trip this episode was from the movie to the conversation.

Just an absolute surprise. One surprise after another. Oh my gosh. All right. Uh we'll have If you have your suggestions for the G Squad, hit us up next week on Last Looks, Jason and I will evaluate and get through it all.

The G Squad's cool the way you just put that. Yeah, this is good. I like the G Squad. And by the way, just use it. Alana Ham is the perfect person to make. She's great. But as you know,

but she's not she is not G Squad. But because guess what? Paul Thomas Anderson is not a director for the G- Squad.

No, not at all. No. So, if you're in with him, you're cool, but you ain't G Squad.

This is good. I'm I'm I'm feeling good about I'm feeling good about where we're headed with this G- Squad.

Yeah. And if you're a musician, you're a pop star, you're not G Squad. And if you are somebody who like writes for Vulture or the Ringer, like feel free to like say like, "Oh yeah, everyone's been like, let's we need to everyone needs to figure out on your substacks, whatever you do." Vulture would be the perfect place for it.

If Vulture just dropped or somebody on TikTok. But here's what I want. I just I want them to do it and I would like I would like to encourage them to do it without referencing our No. Yeah.

As if it's their ownerence, it's going to seem like a joke. But if it's just the G Squad,

it's got to be said. It's got to be said very casually. Again, it's it's it's said to make people feel like they didn't know. It's like it's not about we're introducing the

G-spot rock. Yeah. Whenever you're doing press Jake for the next movie, you've got to be like, you know, we went out the

Got in Chased a couple of those G Squad couldn't get them. No, there's no G- Squad in Dink. It's uh Ed Harris is a little bit older. I'm thinking really f No, there's no G- Squad. Then I did a movie with Dakota Fanning. She's not G Squad.

No. Um a couple years earlier she might couple years later she might have been. But there's

I don't even think L Fanning is G Squad. I don't either. I actually don't think I've ever worked with G- Squad.

I've worked with G Squad or uh Well, I did a movie with Joey King and she was dating Jacob Allerty at the time. So, I guess I was hanging out with G Squad,

but Joey King is not Geek Squad. Oh, she's Geek Squad adjacent. But yes, so I was But I Yeah, so I didn't I guess I've never done it. Yeah, I guess I've not. H Yeah, you're right.

All right. Okay. Wow. Got to take that in. I mean, yeah. Anthony Ramas, hey, slow down, babe. We're getting older.

This happens. Got comes and then when they come, you got to kick some old [ __ ] off the boat. We're the old [ __ ] on the boat. We got to be old barrels. Just

we're guess what? Guess who? We are the Wilfried Brimleys of that for them. Agreed.

Oh, wow. To them. Yeah. Yeah. Those guys are younger than us. Younger. Younger. We did a We did was 42 in Lethal Weapon to be too old for this [ __ ]

42. So guys, Ger was 47. How about this? When he played Archie Bunker. 47. Imagine a G Squatter watching this little zoom of the three of us. You know who he's seen? Danny Glover. Archie Bunker.

Yes. I mean, Wilfr Wilford Brley 49 in Cocoon. 49 in Cocoon. Remember? Yeah. Have headphones

when they do zooms. They do it differently somehow. It's going We have this techn You can see our wires, you geeks. Look at us all,

man. They're all automated. They're all like [ __ ] They're like, "What are you doing?" You can see the mic and we're like, "It's better sound quality." And they're like, "You need G Squad."

Oh my god. Gad, this is so funny. This is the best. Holy [ __ ] Wow. Wow, we did it. I don't know what we did, but we did it. And if you're a first-time listener, uh this is a little uh different than what we normally do. So, uh I encourage you to check out another episode if you'd like. Uh and make sure that if you are listening to episodes, you are, you know, following us on, you know, Spotify and Apple podcast. Uh we will be back next week on Last Looks to talk more about Grizzly 2. We can even actually talk about the movie or we could just keep on talking about G- Squad. Your choice. Uh, I really am interested what June would think about the G- Squad. But you know what? Maybe you can ask us about the G- Squad on the road. That's right. How did this get made? And Dinosaur are going out on the road on the East Coast. We're going to be in DC. We're going to be in Boston. We're going to be in New York

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The discussion centers on "Grizzly II: The Revenge," a film widely viewed as a culmination of cinematic misfires, featuring a giant grizzly bear wreaking havoc at a rock concert after the death of its cubs. The hosts delve into the film's chaotic production history, celebrate its failures, and reflect on the nature of bad movies.

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