Last Looks: My Boyfriend's Back

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: My Boyfriend's Back, Bears and Love, The Man on the Inside, Jessica Sinclair
2. 5:00 – 10:00: My Boyfriend's Back, Dean Lorie, George Romero, Andrew Lowry
3. 10:00 – 15:00: My Boyfriend's Back, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Gloria Alred, Teen Wolf
4. 15:00 – 20:00: My Boyfriend's Back

Notable quotes from "Last Looks: My Boyfriend's Back"

• Good movie of the year. All right, pretty good. Thank you, Dr. Guts, for that alt movie tagline. And a big shout out to Bears and Love for that opening theme song. the Last…

  about Bears and Love · at 1:09

• This holiday season, you can see Jason, June, myself, and Jessica Sinclair all in the same room as we do our annual How Did This Get Made holiday special.

  about Jessica Sinclair · at 2:20

• Right now, we are going to get into what's on your mind. We're going to dig into the corrections and omissions of my boyfriend's back. And we'll even share an exclusive deleted scene from our episode. And later in the episode, Jason.

  about My Boyfriend's Back · at 3:05

• You can catch June in Weapons right now streaming on HBO Max. Jason is on the second season of The Man on the Inside.

  about The Man on the Inside · at 4:03

• Song that ruled. I love that. let's go to the Discord. Dell Preston writes, Paul said that Andrew Lowry was 23 when this came out, as does the IMDb's movie page, but the birth…

  about Andrew Lowry · at 5:13

• Why? Well, in an interview with a writer Dean Lorie, he explained that Disney asked to change the title and the film's original premise. Lorie said, Look, the title was much better and my original.

  about Dean Lorie · at 7:06

• Seemingly confounded that zombies would be eating flesh and not brains. But actually George Romero's Night of the Living Dead from the '60s, which kind of establishes the…

  about George Romero · at 8:27

• Yep. He is also talking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the Christy Swanson version. which, as true Buffy fans are known to, look, do we accept it? Yeah, we do. But that's.

  about Buffy the Vampire Slayer · at 11:08

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Jessica Sinclair — Person · Referenced collaborator (live special participant) · 1 mention · first at 2:22
  Mentioned as being in the same room with Paul, Jason, and June for the annual HDTGM holiday special livestream; also referenced as a guest on an upcoming re-release episode.
• Dean Lorie — Person · Referenced expert (screenwriter quoted) · 1 mention · first at 7:06
  Quoted explaining studio (Disney) notes that changed the original title/premise of the film, providing behind-the-scenes context for why the movie differs from its initial concept.
• George Romero — Person · Referenced expert (genre authority) · 1 mention · first at 8:33
  Cited as establishing the modern American zombie depiction via Night of the Living Dead; used to correct a discussion about zombies eating flesh vs. brains.
• Andrew Lowry — Person · Referenced actor (fact-check subject) · 1 mention · first at 5:17
  Brought up in corrections/omissions regarding his age at the time of the film; listeners cite discrepancies across IMDb pages.
• Gloria Alred — Person · Referenced professional (attorney in anecdote) · 1 mention · first at 12:13
  Named as the lawyer at a 1997 press conference related to Kelly Fisher's lawsuit against Dodi Fayed; appears in a listener's detailed correction/omission context.
  His father's encouragement for Princess Diana as portrayed in The Crown. In fact, Kelly Fischer held a press conference in the middle of 97 with her lawyer, Gloria Alred, where…

Companies & orgs

• HBO Max — Company · Platform · 1 mention · first at 4:03
  Mentioned as the streaming service for a show featuring one of the hosts.
  You can catch June in Weapons right now streaming on HBO Max. Jason is on the second season of The Man on the Inside.

Media & podcasts

• My Boyfriend's Back — Media · Case study · 8 mentions · first at 0:57
  Main movie discussed in the episode, with detailed analysis and corrections from the community.
• The Man on the Inside — Media · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 4:05
  Mentioned as a current project of one of the hosts, highlighting its new season release.
• Buffy the Vampire Slayer — Media · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 11:08
  Mentioned in passing as part of a discussion about actor appearances in different movies.
• Teen Wolf — Media · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 13:08
  Referenced in a discussion about a secret pause for nudity moment, adding to the episode's trivia.
  The secret pause for nudity moment in Teen Wolf might exist after all. Wait a second. Dell, what are you talking about? Okay, right at the end after they won the basketball game against the.
• Dead Heat — Media · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 7:33
  Briefly mentioned in comparison to the premise of 'My Boyfriend's Back'.
  Cemetery, you begin to decay like a regular zombie. I think, by the way, this is Paul talking. That's also part of the premise of Dead Heat. Anyway, we'll get into it. So, I go…

Sponsors

• Bears and Love — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 1:16
  Credited for the opening theme song of the episode, indicating a promotional relationship.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 My childhood trauma gets even more traumatic. The truth about zombies and Jason and I talk about the Cohen brothers for three and a half hours. Yes, you'll hear all about this and more on today's How Did This Get Made? Last looks hit the scene. When you correct it, they miss when the blood is last.

0:29 Last love is last. Last looks [singing] last. Hello all my fellow paw ticklers. It's me, your host, Paul Shear, and welcome to How Did This Get Made: Last Looks, where you, the listener, get to voice your issue on movies like My Boyfriend's Back, a film that Discord user Dr. Guts thinks should have had the tagline, My Boyfriend's Back. It's the Necrofilia good movie of the year. All right, pretty good. Thank you, Dr. Guts, for that alt movie tagline. And a big shout out to Bears and Love for that opening theme song. You know, the Last Looks episode depends on you, your calls, your comments, your songs, your alt movie taglines. Well, how do you submit? Well, it's easy. Just go on the Discord at discord.gg/HDTGM and you can submit your own altvie tagline. But if you are more of a song person, well, just go to httgmm.com, click the submit a song button, and you can live the same kind of glory that

1:49 Bears and Love got today when I thanked them for that opening theme song. Now, I got to tell you, we released our first ever video clip of how did this get made. This is not going to be a normal thing. We just wanted to play with it for uh one time. We might do it again. But I have to say the reaction to it was amazing. Uh we got over a million views in just two days on Instagram. And I want to say this, if you like seeing us live and in person, well, guess what? This holiday season, you can see Jason, June, myself, and Jessica Sinclair all in the same room as we do our annual How Did This Get Made holiday special.

2:32 That's right. December 10th, 6:00 p.m. Pacific time, we're all going to be in the dark web studio broadcasting together. It is going to be live on VEPS, but your ticket will allow you to watch it anytime. So, we are live worldwide with a holiday movie yet to be announced. People, get on it. Get on it and watch it. We will love to bring you into the live chat and more because we're stepping up our game. But don't worry about that. That's in the future. Right now, we are going to get into what's on your mind. We're going to dig into the corrections and omissions of my boyfriend's back. And we'll even share an exclusive deleted scene from our episode. And later in the episode, Jason stops by because we have an emergency to talk about. That's right. Vanity Fair has released three covers labeling the boys of Hollywood, which seem very similar to the Geek Squad. We have opinions and we're going to bring on our

3:35 21-year-old intern to help break it all down. So, that's in just a little bit. And boy, we got a lot to say about this. Anyway, uh last, as always, I will reveal the movie for next week's episode. And uh let me tell you, we got so much good stuff coming up here. We're bringing you into December with a lot of Christmas. though. Enjoy your Thanksgiving and then go full on Christmas with How Did This Get Made? You can catch June in Weapons right now streaming on HBO Max. Uh Jason is on the second season of The Man on the Inside.

4:11 And guess what? Dark web every Monday completely free on YouTube. We are lost in the woods and we are introducing our very first special guest. You don't want to miss that. So check all of that out. Uh, our last episode was just for YouTube kids. We're doing weird stuff. It started off one way and we're growing. We're changing. We also got merch. Anyway, don't worry about that because right now I want to worry about you. Let's get into it. Let's talk about my boyfriend's back. We had questions. We might have even missed a few things.

4:42 Here is your chance to set us straight. Fact check us if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions.

4:51 It is time for corrections and omissions. It is time for corrections and omissions. It is time for corrections and omissions. It is time for corrections and omissions.

5:11 Thank you, Mike Thomas, for that theme song that ruled. I love that. Uh, let's go to the Discord. Dell Preston writes, "Paul said that Andrew Lowry was 23 when this came out, as does the IMDb's movie page, but the birth date listed on Andrew's own IMDb page would have made him 29. This makes so much more sense. I was so annoyed with this piece of misinformation that I submitted an edit to IMDb to correct it and it was accepted." All right, there we go. There we go. Now, I don't understand how the movies IMDb page is different than his own IMDb page, but Dell, you took matters into your own hand. You didn't just complain, you brought it to the manager and the manager fixed it. This is a good example of our community working together to make things better. All right. Uh, Corgi Herder writes, "When the sheriff comes in to check on his daughter Missy, he's holding a musical lesson book for accordion, guitar, piano, and organ, and

6:18 it's in Spanish. We never see him play music and they never speak Spanish." Now, I checked this out. Yes, that is true. Uh, I mean, we know he didn't speak Spanish, but yes, there is a book for accordion, guitar, piano, and organ. And let me tell you, I think this movie could have used the sheriff, speaking in Spanish and playing an accordion. I think it would have been really truly the thing that brought this movie just over the edge. Now, Dr. Guts isn't just about alt movie taglines. He's also coming to us with information. And um Dr. Guts writes this. Part of the reason why the title probably doesn't make much sense is that it was originally called Johnny Zombie and the studio changed it.

7:04 Okay, now we're getting to something. Why? Well, in an interview with a writer Dean Lorie, he explained that Disney asked to change the title and the film's original premise. Lorie said, "Look, the title was much better and my original script was much better. I thought, you know, it's funny because without going into the plot, there was a whole world of zombies that lived in the cemetery. This kid Johnny is the only one that left the cemetery to go to the prom, but the rule was as soon as you left the cemetery, you begin to decay like a regular zombie." I think, by the way, this is Paul talking. That's also part of the premise of Dead Heat. Anyway, we'll get into it. So, I go to Disney for my very first meeting to get notes on the script. They say, "Hey, we love the script. It's so funny. The first thing we want to do is get rid of the zombies." I said, "Well, it's called Johnny Zombie. It's about these

7:51 zombies." And they go, "Yeah, we just want the one zombie." So, right then, literally half the movie gets thrown out. Oh my gosh, I feel bad for Dean Lori. It's hard. It is hard to be a screenwriter in this town. I mean, now especially because a lot of people not working at all. Uh, but back then hard, too. All right, let's go to the phones. Mike from New Jersey, what do you got?

8:18 Hey, everyone. Uh, big fan of the show. Just wanted to reach out. And while my boyfriend's back was such a fantastic episode, um I did want to say Jason was seemingly confounded that zombies would be eating flesh and not brains. But um actually George Romero's Night of the Living Dead from the '60s, which kind of establishes the Americanized version of zombies, um they were flesheaters. They were not after brains, I don't think until Return of the Living Dead kind of established that trope. So, thank you for all the entertainment. Keep going.

8:52 We love you. Bye. Okay, that's what I like to hear. Mike, bringing in some hard zombie facts. Huh. I like flesh more. I think flesh is better than brains. Who wants to disagree with me? I don't know. Brains seems like I don't know. It seems trit. Seems silly. Flesh. Let the meat flesh. That's what Maria and Twinette said, right? Let the meat flesh. I'm not sure. Anyway, let's go to the phones now to hear from Mary Kate.

9:27 Hi, Paul. I had to pause the most current episode, My Boyfriend's Back, because just like it unlocked um a childhood memory for you, it unlocked one for me. This movie came out when I was in first grade, and it's problematic that I watched it um through a seven-year-old uh lens. However, I discovered um that this is where my irrational fear of zombies and my reoccurring nightmares of zombies um originated from. So, I really appreciate this episode and uncovering um this this traumatic nightmare experience for myself as a seven-year-old. Um thank you. Bye,

10:08 Mary Kate. Of course, that is what this show is supposed to do. unlock childhood trauma. I wrote a whole book about it. By the way, uh great gift for the holidays now with the uh paperback edition. It's a stocking stuffer. I'll even sign it, but you could just get that uh bunch of extra pages and then the website has uh a bunch of fun stuff if you've read the book. I mean, you can go look at it. Just won't make as much sense because I did it myself. Anyway, uh thank you, Mary Kate. And I want to apologize just for a second um about that joke I made about Maria Antuinette.

10:41 Um all right, Mike from Orlando. But what do you got? Hey guys, just watched My Boyfriend's Back. And it's a fun fact that Jason mentioned it felt like Buffy because the lead actor uh was in Buffy one year prior playing the douchy friend of Buffy's uh boyfriend, which is a mouthful. Anyway, thought that was fun. Um, please come to Orlando and you brace yourself. Bye-bye.

11:04 Well, Mike, let's check it out. Yep. He is also talking about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the Christy Swanson version. Uh, which, you know, as true Buffy fans are known to, I mean, look, do we accept it? Yeah, we do. But that's not the one I'm talking about. Most of the time, I'm not talking about that one. It's actually better than you think. Um, Paul Rubin is very good in that movie. Chrissy Swanson, too, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I I I haven't watched it enough to have an opinion on it, but that's not the Buffy. But I do appreciate this information. Thank you, Mike from Orlando. Let's go back to the Discord. Mnoland. Mnand. Okay. Mnoland writes, "Tracy Lind accused Dodie Fed of abuse in 1997, but dated her much earlier in the late 80s, early 90s, possibly even when My Boyfriend's Back was filming. In 1997, Fied was engaged to model and aspiring actress Kelly Fischer and basically jilted her with

12:05 his father's encouragement for Princess Diana as portrayed in The Crown. In fact, Kelly Fischer held a press conference in the middle of 97 with her lawyer, Gloria Alred, where she announced that she was suing Fied, but dropped the suit 2 weeks later after Dodie and Diana died. If Tracy Lynn's accusations about Dod's abuse during their relationship happened two weeks before he died, it would make sense that they possibly were related to Fischer's lawsuit, but Lynn had not been dating him for a few years uh at that time. You are 100% right, M. Noland. I just kind of took some of those facts out because it just got to be a lot of names and things we didn't know. So, yes and no.

12:44 You are right. I knew it. You're correcting me. You're right, too. I knew it. I just kind of held it back. But there we go. The wild and weird world of Dodie Fed. Wow. Um, I also like that his dad encouraged him. You know, dump dump that zero and get with that hero. Uh, Dell Preston writes, "Oh, back with another revelation." Dell, here we go. The secret pause for nudity moment in Teen Wolf might exist after all. Wait a second. Dell, what are you talking about? Okay, right at the end after they won the basketball game against the Bullies team. Oh, I know about this and that is a spoiler. The camera pans out to show the whole stadium and people cheering from the bleachers, but there's one woman in the crowd wearing a red sweater and blue jeans and her fly is undone all the way. She tries to zip it up and then cover it with a jacket, but she is also still trying to cheer with her arms in the air. So, you do see

13:39 blurry underwear. Okay. Um, I thought somebody's penis was out in that movie. Maybe I'm wrong, but you know what? Our friends, our good friends over at the confused breakfast, they actually pulled this moment and you can watch it. And apparently the extra said that her pants are so tight that she unzipped them. So there you go. She's reacting as if she didn't know she was going to have to get up even though it's a scripted film. It's like the team was going to win. Anyway, I'm not going to get too caught up in that extra story. Uh but you know what? Anytime to see underwear as a child is a good time.

14:11 Uh, Radic writes, "Not a correction or omission, but I have a big theory on Brian Orlando's nudity remote." He totally walked in on his dad watching a porn, right? And as the dad tried to think fast of being caught, he's like, "Oh, uh, yeah, that's actually normal TV, but the special remote I had in my hand makes these women naked, and I must have activated it by mistake." Whoa, Radic. Radic, what did you do? You just broke my whole brain open. That's a crazy That's a crazy Wow. Wow, I love that idea. I love that idea. And you know what? By the way, uh Orlando's Electronics, uh that shirt, that sticker, everything about it is available now on our How Did This Get Made store. Just go to httgm.com and get yourself an Orlando Electronics shirt.

14:57 But wow, you know what? Honestly, Radic, I haven't had my breath taken away like this in a very, very long time. And I think uh without any further ado, I must say, Radic, you are this week's correction and omission winner. Embrace yourself. Yeah, you brace yourself for this amazing song from our friends, the Action Jackson 5.

15:36 All right, if you want to chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit up our Discord or call us at 619 P AU LSK. Coming up after the break, Jason will stop by for Just Chat. And if you want even more of me and Jason this week, well, guess what? We're on blank check, baby. That's right. Jason and I are on blank check for 3 hours and 45 minutes talking about the ballot of Buster Scrugs. And if you're still not full of me and Jason, well, guess what? I'm on Conan needs a friend this week. I return. Had a great time with Conan. He is the absolute best. All right, so you got a lot of Paul and Jason and Conan listening uh coming up.

16:16 But get ready because after the break, we're going to add even more to the pile. But first, take a listen to this bonus deleted scene from My Boyfriend's Back as we talk about '90s movies and laser discs. It

16:27 It's also like n This movie had none of what I consider to be the '9s hallmarks. You know, it feels like it's an 80s movie because it's playing in that sandbox come out

16:38 94. I thought Year later I had it on laser disc. So, I'm trying to think of like

16:44 what? Oh, yeah. I had realized. Are you still pausing on laser disc and did it make it easier?

16:50 Well, I was too busy flipping it. Flipping it. Remember Remember when the the player the laser disc player that flipped it itself came out?

17:00 I got you. Gen X. Let's go. Listen, I know I've said this before, but the first time I went to Paul's apartment in New York City, I saw, you know, a cabinet full of laser discs and I thought, "All right,

17:12 I'm still upset. I'm still upset you you don't have those anymore." I know. Me, too.

17:16 How did this get made? Welcome back. By now, I'm sure you've noticed that every week on How Did This Get Made, we re-release old episodes back into our feed. But maybe if you're a new listener, you didn't know they were old. Well, they are. These mata episodes come out every Tuesday. This week's matinea was Diana the musical. Oh, I mean, you see the connection. And next week's will be uh Valyrian in a city of a thousand planets with Jessica Stlair and Doug Benson. So, keep on checking out all of our replays of classic episodes every Tuesday. And now without any further ado, it is time to welcome Jason to Last Looks for a little Just

17:49 Chat. Just Jason, big news in the world of the Geek Squad. You know what? Here we are. Emergency episode. emergency episode. We must address that Vanity Fair has attempted to put together their version of the Geek Squad.

18:21 They're trying to codify the Geek Squad. And you know what? Nice try print journalism.

18:27 You didn't do it. We were there before you and I think we have some major issues. Now, if you are not familiar with what's going on in the Vanity Fair world, uh, well, let me tell you, this week they released their Hollywood edition of Vanity Fair,

18:43 which I will say I always love. I'm I'm It's been my favorite issue since I had a Vanity Fair subscription when I was a teenager.

18:51 Uh, 100% I love it. Oftentimes, it's like your favorite actors all in these great tableau. Yeah. Uh, and it's Yeah, it's great. Great interviews are in there. I love it. We love Vanity Fair. But they did select their own Geek Squad. This year they did it a little bit differently. Three covers with three different sets of men on them.

19:14 I'm so sorry, Paul. Paul, I'm so sorry, Paul. Paul, shut your mouth. Wait. They are not men as these covers tell us. These are the boys.

19:25 Oh, you're right. The boys. And that is quintessential for Geek Squad. These are boys. These are the boys. These are not our men. These are our boys. These are our boys. And let me tell you, they have the ages of men because I will quickly give you the cover selection right now. Cover one. Jeremy Allen White 34.

19:49 The Bear. ASOP. Rocky 37. Oh, I didn't realize Rocky was that old. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Glenn Powell 37.

19:58 Oh my god. Leth Stanfield 34. Callum Turner 35. Cover two. Riz on Med 42. Wow. Wow. Wow.

20:07 Jonathan Bailey, People magazine's hottest man of 2025. Paul, I'm so sorry. I have to stop you. I think you mean sexiest man.

20:17 You're right. You're right. Again, this is why I need and and if the if these magazines collaborated, it would be sexiest boy and we'd all be on the Epstein list.

20:28 Jonathan Bailey, 37, Harris Dickinson 29. Now, we're get back to him in a second. Andrew Garfield 42, and then we go to cover three, which is uh Paul MScall uh 29. Great.

20:41 Michael B. Jordan, 38, and Austin Butler, 34. Okay. Um so, some of our guys are in here. Some of our guys are in here now. There's been a lot of debate. I mean, a lot of debate because I think that we've we knocked off a couple of these guys. We knocked off

20:55 interesting to Well, some of these guys are just too old, you know, like I think and and or just have had two like like Michael B. Jordan's been acting since he was a kid. Friday, the wire like get him out of there. No way. Absolutely not. Ag Garfield out of there. I don't want any old Spider-Man in my geek squad.

21:14 You can't have I mean, Riz Amed, great actor. Don't view him as first of all, don't view him as a boy. No.

21:20 Uh and don't view him as part of the the Geek Squad. No, he he that get him out of there. Geek Squad is for Geek I will say Geek Squad is for the boys.

21:29 I mean 100%. I mean the Bear Geek Squad, Mezcow Geek Squad, Harris Dickinson Geek Squad. Um I mean these are geek squads. And now here's the other thing. I will say that, you know, look, a lot of people have taken a lot of um, you know, uh, issue with the fact that there's only boys, no boys and girls, cuz we

21:50 This is This is embarrassing. This is embarrassing for the for Vanity Fair. This is just in a What is this? Is this an attempt to to to to speak to the male loneliness epidemic to be like, "Hey, look at the boys. They boys can hang out together." with these boys. I mean, they couldn't even get all the boys in one location to get

22:10 they couldn't even get all the boys on one under one umbrella, Paul. Yes. There there some of these guys, if it rains, some of these guys are getting wet.

22:18 I mean, this is the thing. These boys are hard to pin down. Now, I will just remind our audience that our boys, our boys that we wanted to hear it for, Timmy Shalamé, why is he not on the list?

22:31 I'm surprised Timmy's not on this. But by the way, if he turned it down, solid move.

22:36 I believe he did. By the way, did you see this thing that him and Adam Sandler did? It's my favorite. All right. So, you know, when the awards seasons come, every studio kind of figures out different ways to promote their film. So, a majority of these things are screenings, right? But there's also a lot of press that goes on. Like you'll see that Adam Sandler is doing a sitdown with David Letterman. Now, part of that is because yes, Letterman wants to interview him, but also part of that is it is press for Jay Kelly, the movie that is going to be nominated for Oscars. Now,

23:06 what I saw this past weekend, it blew my mind. Timothy Shalamé and Adam Sandler played two basketball in a gymnasium with fans as part of their Academy Award promotion. They did like a 30-minute interview with each other. They interviewed each other and then they played

23:24 that was first. They had two chairs facing each other. They had two chairs facing each other on a basketball court. They pulled those chairs away and then they just pulled people up from the audience and played two on two basketball. By the way, I love it. I think that's awesome. I only wish I only wish that the interview had taken place during the game.

23:41 So they while they're playing, they're complimenting each other. You know what I mean? Like that would have been very funny. Oh, I'll watch that. That's cool. Oh, it's really made me laugh cuz I'm like I sent it to a friend and they were like, "This is clearly an example of like two actors going, "We got this. Let let us go." And it's great. It's actually more organic and more interesting than anything else I've seen. Uh, so Timmy Shalomé, Austin Butler on our list. Uh, Nicholas Hol, Jeremy Ellen White.

24:06 I don't think Nick Hol is Geek Squad. I don't We kicked him off, I believe. Oh, we did. Okay.

24:12 I'm just saying. But these were like these is like what we were talking about. These are the people we just discussed.

24:16 Yes. These are people we discussed again because I don't think we ever really fully honed in. We we had moments, right? Jeremy Ellen White, we kicked him off, but then we brought him back, but then we kicked him off again.

24:26 I don't know. I mean, Jeremy Ellen White, I I would kind I think I would put in Geek Squad.

24:31 You would, you know? Um I I I think he's at the very least pledging Geek Squad. I I I don't know.

24:38 All right. All right. So, this is interesting. This is an All right. This is interesting. Now, we had Jacob Allerty not on the Vanity Fair covers in a big giant movie. Yeah. Why is he not on the thing?

24:47 It's interesting he's not in there. Um I would think maybe he's too tall for everybody.

24:52 Maybe he would cuz all these guys I think are like under 5'6. Okay. So, and he's like 67 or something. He's like James Comey height. Um he's like Greg Davies height.

25:04 Do you think that people have like turned it down because maybe they didn't want to be one of the boys?

25:09 Well, I do believe one of the things they you know like Yes. I think sometime I think absolutely I think some people turn it down because I want to be the only person on the cover of a magazine or I think publicists probably suggest that type of stuff in that same way that people are told to turn down sexiest man alive that serious actors like you know um you know not that I'm forgive me not that um Jonathan Bailey is not

25:39 I worked with Jonathan as you know I worked with him as a director ctor and yeah, I'm going to tell him. I'm going to tell him.

25:44 I don't I don't mean that in any kind of slight, but just that it is No, I hear what you're saying. Yes.

25:48 But, you know, that it is something that people are told by publicists, oh, don't don't solicit that kind of attention. You're in these kind of movies type.

25:57 Exactly. Like like Timmy Shalamé would probably say no to sexiest man. Well, that's the what did Leonardo DiCaprio say to him? Leonardo DiCaprio's advice to it's famous to Timothy Shia. There's no hard drugs, no superhero movies, no sequels or there's a third one. It's not no sequels, but I can't remember. There's a third uh pillar to that which I think was very smart. So, I'm looking at these Vanity Fair covers and I'm like, "All right, this is something where, you know, I I feel like they missed the I feel like they missed the mark. I feel like our mark was a little bit better because we did

26:29 Barry Kogan, you know." Yeah. Why not? Why is he not here? Or maybe he's to maybe he's like the the Geek Squad character actor, you know? Uh I like him quite a bit. I do too. Now, I will say this. You weren't on this episode, but our intern Quinn, who is the youngest person on our entire staff, was able to put together her Geek Squad list. She had a little she had some hot takes, and we're going to bring her in a second.

26:55 Great, great, great, great. So, she said, uh, she said, "Put Jeremy Allen White back in the Geeks Squad." We took

27:03 I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. Uh, she also put Zenaia back in. We kicked Zenaia out.

27:09 Okay. So, I have a well when when we talk I I do have a question about um about my my question is

27:18 should Geek Squad like what is the overlap for for Geek Squad and like being on a Disney show or one of those kid shows, you know? And I guess that's for Jeremy Ellen White too cuz he was like a kid on Shameless. So,

27:34 I just saw him too being a very kid on an episode of Law and Order from a million years ago, and he looks like he's about 15 years old. It's wild. Well, let's I just want to give the rest of Quinn's takes because um she said uh she'd kick out Austin Butler. She'd kick out Jacob Allerty. She'd kick out Margaret Quley. She kick kick out Sydney Sweeney and her new pitches.

27:57 Okay. Rachel Senate. Okay. IO on the list. Uh Rachel Zgler on the list. Okay. Barry Kyogan, your There it is.

28:07 I don't know. Lady and I I thought this said Lady Gaga. That's so funny. From this distance, it says Lucas Gage, and I read it as Lady Gaga, and I was about to be like, Quinn, what are you talking about?

28:21 Well, she's gonna have to defend all this and the Vanity Fair covers. Now, here's She did say Lucas Gage, and she replaced Nicholas Holt, which we both agreed should not be in Geek Squad, with Harris Dickinson, who is on the Vanity Fair cover. And I have to say that looking at Quinn's hot takes, they match Vanity Fairs more than they match us. So Quinn, you're now on Quinn, you're now on. First of all, do you mind telling us how old you are?

28:49 Uh, first of all, thank you for letting me speak on this issue. This feels very important. I I am 21. I just turned 21 a month ago.

28:57 Impossible. This is why we need you here. We need to give you like a I thought for some reason that you were 25. So this actually even this

29:05 position is is uncomfortable though. only only because for us as truly old people to be this is this puts into stark contrast how old we are you know to talk to a genuinely young person okay about about the actors of your generation

29:23 quickly so now I guess my question to you is how do you feel about these Vanity Fair covers your first take because you've heard us talk about Geek Squad and now you see you see the covers what what are you what are you feeling about these actors anybody that you would kick off anyone that You know, they got a lot right according to you.

29:40 Well, right away I don't like that they're called boys. I agree. Hate that. I agree. But this is to me like what we do. We just want boys right now. You know what?

29:50 But it says underneath our new class of leading men. So it's let's hear it for the boys. Our new class of leading men. It's a weird. Yeah. The boy and boy but boys is big.

30:02 Boys is too big. And I feel like it I don't know. I don't like boys either. I don't like it at all. I think some of these actors are a little too sophisticated

30:11 for Geek Squad or what they're trying to do here. Yes. Okay. I would say Michael B. Jordan. Like he to me is like above in a in another class than some of these actors.

30:26 I still am not sold on Austin Butler. I really he looks kind of out of place in these photos. I don't know if it's just cuz he's wearing jeans, but I think he needs like one more meaty role for me to really

30:39 and some pleated pants. Yes. For me to really give in that he is one of the boys.

30:45 Now Quinn, I do want to ask you like how would you define what the Geek Squad is? Because you've heard us try to tackle with a description for it, but like what would you because I like where you're going. I think your thinking is spot on, but like how would you describe what the Geek Squad should represent? I think it's upandcoming actors. I think it's actors who would be seen at parties together. Um, not promoting something. People who would genuinely genuinely hang out as boys.

31:14 Yeah, I think the part of it that's I think Quinn, you're absolutely right. Part of it is and part of it building off of how this started the with the brat pack of it was that it also to me is is who is around each other,

31:26 right? So, you know, like the groupings that are in movies together or, you know, like like St. Elmo's Fire or like those movies that had groups of the Brat Pack or whatever, there's a bunch of these people that do fall into movies together and are seen together. And that to me is geek squad. You know, Michael B. Jordan feels like completely extricated from all of that noise and nonsense. He is, you know, like this saying our new class of leading men, Michael B. Jordan has been a leading man already for years.

31:59 I mean the this is the next generation. I would argue that Michael B. Jordan is already ascended. He is in the Achi is going forward. I think Ryzmed has gone forward. Like if we're talking about Jeremy Allen White, I think he's on the cusp. I think that's why we were wrestling with him. Like cuz the bear is so big, but yet this Bruce Springsteen movie really flopped. So now it's like I think it actually pushes him back a step in a in a it puts him back in the the pot a little bit more. Uh now Jacob Allerty not being on this. What do you think? Good move, bad move.

32:32 I think I was very surprised that him and Timothy Shalomé were both not on it. I feel like you can't talk about leading men without talking about Timothy Shalamé. I think

32:44 I'm I'm fine with Jacob Oli not being there. Okay. And I think I'm more fine with Timothy Shalomé not being there because of the disharmony kind of happening. I also think it's interesting. I think Harris Dickinson and Jeremy Allen White are maybe the only two that have actually been in a movie together.

33:04 Okay, I like this. And so to not to not put them on the same cover also feels a little awkward.

33:10 Yeah. Like now Harris Dickinson is a person I was not really familiar with at all. You

33:15 girl. Yeah. So this is it. You know, I got the triangle of Oh, that guy. I am familiar. Okay. Yes. Okay. Sorry, the name didn't ring out, but I like him. I like him a lot. Um,

33:24 see, and I think that's Geek Squad, too, is you're seeing them, you like them, but they're not quite

33:29 They're not household names. Okay. I like this. All right. So, that's why I like Can you put Quinn's list up? I like the the the grouping of Yeah, I think you're right. Rachel Senate IO that that that crew hangs out together that they appear in stuff like I think Rachel Sennet's new show has a bunch of her peer group inside of that that's kind of Geek Squad adjacent but they are I don't know cool in a way that Geek Squad kind of isn't maybe I I don't know maybe I'm just being uh I I just I would love to hang out with the group uh that that is Rachel Senate and IO and that crew because they are and Barry Kyogan all that list you have there, Quinn, because that seems like a great hang, you know?

34:13 Right. But now I guess the question is, Quinn, as a 21-year-old, do you are there people like are you going out and partying? Are is is partying a part of this? Cuz maybe some of these people to me feel like they're not partying that much, that they feel like they are actually working on being professionals, right? Like that's something I also get from all these people that they take it

34:32 very seriously. The Brat Pack didn't take it that seriously. The Frap Pack were like having fun. These people feel like, you know, it feels like Timothy Shalomé is learning how to play ping pong for 5 years and, you know, and Austin Butler's changed his vocal range for the rest of his life. You know, these people seem too intense. I don't know. I mean, is that do you think that they are do they seem fun to you?

34:54 They feel like they wouldn't all hang out together. Everyone on these covers I think maybe that's why they had to do three different versions cuz they genuinely could not like everyone would not vibe in a room together. I I would the only person I would add to this array I thought of Joe Alwin

35:13 because him and Paul Mescll were like I think they were in a movie together. They did a lot of interviews together um and they kind of were like were like the sad boys of Hollywood and they tried to kind of coin that. So I think one cover could have been they should have divided it by like these are the people who really know how to party. These are the really hard workers. These are the sad boys.

35:38 Yeah. You know, because I do think there should have been some classes here because I would put like Riz Amed, Michael B. Jordan, Glenn Powell, like maybe together.

35:49 Andrew Garfield. Yes. Like that. Like we're doing it. They're probably up against each other for different parts. Like they're in one pocket. And then Yeah. That I think that there needed to be a better breakup. But here the way that

36:00 So what is And sorry, Paul. Yeah. What is Rocky? ASOP Rock is the only musician in here in a way that I

36:07 Well, he was in Highest to Lowest, right? Oh, that must be it. Okay. And he was also in Dope. Absolutely. But that dope is a long time ago. Uh,

36:16 no, no, no. It's Highest to Lowest. It's Highest. If I had legs, I'd kick you as well.

36:21 Look at this. Quinn knows what the She's got it. She's so excited for that movie. Boy, am I excited for that movie.

36:26 All right. So overall, we look to you now to be our our helper here to, you know, this has been a highly debated thing. People come to us, they pitch us these things. Our hope was to get it out in the open. And I think that Vanity Fair kicked the debate into full gear. I mean,

36:43 I know that a lot of people are much are very comfortable with men in their 50s discussing the youth of the the young actors and actresses. So, it is very good to have a representative of that generation. Thank you, Quinn.

36:57 I want to say one thing to you, too. Like, I I not to put you on the spot, but I feel like this is so weird that it's just men. like like I like I I think it's weird because it I for so many reasons, but it like and I get like they're trying to say this is our the new leading men, but I would also argue for the most part you look at most of these people um and again I'm going to take out Michael B. Jordan to this mix and maybe Garfield. And I'm going to say that this these are not leading men that you're look like this. I don't think most of America is going like that's our leading men. Like I think a Hollywood's new class of actors is a better thing.

37:36 But I guess my thing is like there's so many great people out there just to focus on men. I I I felt like it was uh I I I feel like it would be a much more interesting list to mix it up. The Boys and Girls Club of America and the Club is Hollywood. That's what I that would be my title.

37:50 [snorts] I think when I think of Geek Squad also, I think of it being predominantly female because I think I can just think of more cool women than boys.

38:00 Well, that's what I think. They part they party more, they seem more fun. These guys, this you've articulated what I meant, which is these guys seem like nerds. They're going to work on their stuff. And then and and a lot of the other people seem like they are they are more life of the party. They're more like like they're living their age. And I feel like that's a good and that's inspiring. I don't know. I don't know what it what we get to, but I feel like this is going to be the battle. This is gonna be the conversation of our ages.

38:29 Yeah, this is the talk. This is what we're talking about probably for the rest of our This is probably what the podcast will transition into.

38:35 I think it has to. I think it has to. We haven't even gotten June to weigh in. And I feel like that's something that really needs to be uh done in the year of 2026. Yeah.

38:46 So, uh Quinn, thank you for joining us. Thank you for adding uh all this great perspective.

38:51 Of course, your list was essential. Thank [clears throat] you. Thank you for correcting us.

38:56 I was glad that my Harris Dickinson pick actually made it to the to the Vanity Fair cover. That's the one I'm okay with.

39:02 What about like a Callum Turner Quinn? What where does Callum Turner fall? Mr. Duipa.

39:10 I when I first saw the cover, I thought he was Josh O' Connor. So I think that's

39:16 okay. also wears Josh O Connor. He's I mean if we're talking about Geek Squad I think he's a little old but yeah for this cover I would agree but Callum Turner he has a movie coming out in a couple weeks but I'm like I don't think he is really a leading man as Paul said.

39:35 Okay that this is this is what we have to get into it. And I guess I mean it's also not for nothing. These covers are all people who have movies have just come out or are coming out for awards season. So, this is also pressed.

39:47 I feel like it it came out like a week too early cuz Callum Turner's movie hasn't actually come out yet.

39:52 I mean, there you go. And now I I guess the question I'm going to say is this is the the big one. Are we upset that there's not a single bit of Stranger Things representation or are we done with that culturally? Uh, but I mean Finn Wolf, could we get him on the cover? I mean, I don't know if he's the leading man. I don't know, you know, but there's no point no uh Stranger Things on here. And that seems to be the talk of

40:15 young I mean I I say young Hollywood, but that's only because my kid goes to school in Los Angeles and they talk about Stranger Things a lot.

40:22 They haven't really translated, you know, with the exception, I feel like, of Millie Bobby Brown, whose movies are massive hits on Netflix. They have not really translated like Electric State didn't do anything. Like none of that cast. I mean, I guess Finn Wolfhart is in the Ghostbusters movies, but I don't know if they would pick him as a next generation leading man.

40:41 I would argue that the women have popped more like Sadie Sink and uh Yeah. Yeah. Like she's also somebody who I think is going to be

40:48 Oh, and I guess there was Who is the Who's the guy who is in Fantastic 4? I'm sorry. He's um

40:53 Joseph Quinn. Thank you. Yes. Okay. This is a lot. This is There's so much here.

40:58 Well, we you're you are an essential. We'll get back to it. Thank you Quinn. Of course. Thank you guys. Bye.

41:05 Now Jason, we could debate Geek Squad all day, but there's a show that you're currently on that is definitely not Geek Squad.

41:13 It is not Geek Squad, and I'm plugging season two of A Man on the Inside, the Mike Shure, Ted Dansen uh show on Netflix. That is fantastic. The first season was absolutely hilarious and heartbreaking and beautiful. What a great show.

41:30 I love that show. Mike Sher, of course, who created um Parks and Wreck and The Good Place. This is his new show. Um and boy, it is dynamite. I get to play a if you can believe it, Paul, a real oddball weirdo named Apollo Lamrachis.

41:45 Oh, I love this. Very funny. All episodes are dropping on the 20th. Um so you can check those out now. All I'll say is that uh I liked Man on the Inside the first season, but when I saw the trailer to season 2, I was like, "Oh boy, this looks really even. I'm excited. It looked like they kind of switched it up."

42:04 I mean, the the guest list is nuts. Gary Cole, it's Max Greenfeld. It's It's got incredible people going on. Um it's a blast. It's so so fun.

42:14 I cannot wait. All right, Jason will uh we will be back and you can check us out live. Remember to get your tickets for our live stream. The holiday live stream coming up. We're gonna announce the movie next week, but you can watch it live around the world, people. Around the world.

42:30 Around the world. Thank you, Jason, for chatting with me. But now, it's time to finally announce our next movie. Next week, we're going to go from the undead to Santa sled. That's right. Next week, we are watching the 1991 made for TV animated holiday special, The Christmas Tree. Now, hold on, people. This movie is only 45 minutes, so this is going to be a fun one. IMDb describes the plot as this. The heartless Mrs. Malva runs an orphanage where kids live in miserable conditions because she keeps all the donation money for herself. She hires a new assistant who along with Santa helps the kids finally have a merry Christmas.

43:08 Now, this movie is not on Rotten Tomatoes, so instead we turn to our letter box user Lauren who writes, "This was awful, but I was laughing my ass off the entire time. It's like The Room but Christmas. Whoa. I cannot wait. Now, there isn't a trailer for this movie, so instead, take a listen to this short teaser clip.

43:26 And Mrs. Milda continued receiving donations from the mayor. Little did he know that the money was destined to pursuits other than bettering the lives of the children.

43:36 Frank Belilda, do you feel lucky tonight? Good, darling, because we're going to have a game tonight. Come over at 8:00. And don't forget the champagne. I'll see you later then. Here goes the children's money again.

43:54 Okay, I haven't watched this one, but I'm told it's a real doozy and it's got to be seen to be believed. And you can stream The Christmas Tree for free on Tuby or rent it on Amazon Prime Video. Heads up, there are tons of movies called The Christmas Tree. So, make sure you're watching the animated one from 1991 with a runtime of 43 minutes. Um, now I would normally say go to Hooplan Canopy and Libby, but I don't know if they will have this. Um, that is it for Last Looks people. If you listen to us on Apple Podcast, Spotify, please rate and review us and make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on. Have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show and we appreciate it. Visit us on social media at HDTGM. And a big thank you to our producer Scott Sonni, Molly Reynolds, and our engineer Casey Holford, as well as our social media manager Zoe Applebomb, and our intern

44:44 Quinn Jennings. And as always, we give it up to our dear Averil Halley. Uh we will see you next week for the Christmas tree. Bye for now.

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