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Shoot 'Em Up

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Shoot 'Em Up", an episode of How Did This Get Made? published February 27, 2026 (1 h 9 min, about 13,238 words). It mentions 26 people, works and ideas, including Shoot 'Em Up, Discord, Jason Manukus, June Diane Raphael, lactation.

What this episode is about

A chaotic action film centers on a lone man who delivers a baby during a violent shootout and is then tasked with protecting the newborn from an onslaught of gunmen, fueling a wild, over-the-top rescue mission. The discussion analyzes how the film blends absurdity, high-octane violence, and genre tropes to create an underappreciated cult classic.

Key takeaways

  • Discord-driven chaos pays off: audiences can unexpectedly resurrect a cult classic and spark chaotic humor.
  • Rigged-or-not, the meta-narrative about manipulation mirrors the film’s own over-the-top absurdity.
  • Discourse as entertainment: politics, gerrymandering, and backroom deals become punchlines more than plot.
  • Shift from podcast to TV: the medium wars reveal audience fatigue with formats, not content.
  • Metacommentary on visibility: the 'video podcast' debate exposes the tension between listening and looking.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Discord, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Shoot 'Em Up, Violence
  2. – 20:00: The Core, Discord, Clive Owen, Miles Davis
  3. – 30:00: Clive Owen, Breastfeeding, Monica Bellucci, Paul Giamatti
  4. – 40:00: baby farm, Clive Owen, gun control, Comedy
  5. – 50:00: Clive Owen, Discord, action movies, Taken
  6. – 1:00:00: Fast and Furious, Violence, action movies, bulletproof stroller
  7. – 1:08:49: Discord, Clive Owen, Jason Manukus, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

Notable quotes from "Shoot 'Em Up"

  • What's up, Glock? We saw shoot him up. So, you know what that means?
    about Shoot 'Em Up · at
  • Movie is insane and I love it. And we're going to break it all down here today with my two co-hosts. Please welcome Jason Manukus and June Diane Rafael. How are you both?
    about Jason Manukus · at
  • It's on my mind cuz there's so much lactation.
    about June Diane Raphael · at
  • Fails? I love this movie. I'm a fan of this movie. I was excited to watch this movie. I think that the what the trouble is Clive Owen. He is great. He plays it perfect. But I…
    about Clive Owen · at
  • Very safely and effectively well they are from a generation that is probably prioritizing breastfeeding in a way that you know picking up on all of the elements that…
    about Breastfeeding · at
  • This lady's baby needs to be fed. Find me every wet nurse lactating hooker and mamry on tap in the city.
    about lactation · at
  • Now, by the way, do you guys think there's anybody right now that has a baby farm?
    about baby farm · at
  • That's 619 Paul ask. Write a comment on the Discord at discord.gg/httgm.
    about Discord · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Jason Manukus — Person · Co-host · 3 mentions · first at
    Co-host who reacts to the Discord vote, evaluates the movie's quality, and participates in extended comedic analysis of scenes and themes.
  • June Diane Raphael — Person · Co-host · 2 mentions · first at
    Co-host who focuses heavily on breastfeeding/lactation realism, gendered reactions to violence vs nudity, and parenting logistics in the film.
  • Clive Owen — Person · Referenced actor / lead performance · 13 mentions · first at
    Discussed as the key casting choice whose straight-faced performance affects how audiences interpret the film's self-aware comedy.
  • Miles Davis — Person · Referenced filmmaker (writer/director) · 2 mentions · first at
    Credited for the film's visual planning and origin (sizzle reel/storyboards), used to explain why the action is so coherent.
    Yeah. Oh, and wait, Paul, who made this movie? This is this guy Michael Davies or Michael Davis. So, Michael Davis actually wrote the screenplay for Double Dragon with Peter Gould from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. they were writing.
  • Monica Bellucci — Person · Referenced actor / key subplot · 2 mentions · first at
    Discussed for her character's lactation-based sex-work setup and the film's notable sex/action sequence and chemistry with Clive Owen.
    Saying, is it a Pornhub category? I'm sure it is. here's the thing. I think what's and when we find Monica Beluchcci, she is lactating and her entire she's set up in a brothel where each of the rooms has a theme and her theme is baby.
  • Paul Giamatti — Person · Referenced actor / antagonist performance · 1 mention · first at
    Praised for a 'fearless' and disgusting villain performance, used to illustrate the film's tonal blend of comedy and creep factor.
    Needed to know about his character from like I'm like from it's the one two punch for G. I want to just say Giamotti is incredible in this. And he and Clive Owen as opposite sides are fantastic.
  • Eric Holder — Person · Political reference in voting/rigging joke · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in an analogy about redistricting/manipulation while joking about Discord vote 'rigging.'
    Rigged, there are some situations. is sort of like I remember, when Eric Holder came out with ahead with Barack Obama to like talk about redistricting and I will say this.
  • Barack Obama — Person · Political reference in voting/rigging joke · 1 mention · first at
    Referenced alongside Eric Holder as part of a redistricting analogy for Discord vote manipulation.
    Came out with ahead with Barack Obama to like talk about redistricting and I will say this about the Democrats, like we've done our own redistricting here and there.

Companies & orgs

  • Discord — Organization · Listener community / voting mechanism · 16 mentions · first at
    The hosts repeatedly discuss the Discord community's listener vote that selected the movie and joke about 'rigging' and 'gerrymandering' it.
  • Amazon — Company · Source of second-opinion reviews · 2 mentions · first at
    Used as the platform where the host reads audience reviews/ratings to contrast with box office performance and critical reception.
    They are awesome. all right. I will tell you some second opinions because there's a handful. 3,72.

Products & tech

  • bulletproof stroller — Product · Marketing artifact referenced · 1 mention · first at
    Discussed as a controversial YouTube marketing stunt for the film that some viewers mistook as real, amplifying backlash about gun violence.
    Yeah. So they where they basically have someone with a submachine gun shooting at a stroller while a baby was inside to prove that the stroller was bulletproof.

Concepts & topics

  • lactation — Concept · Core motif / discussion driver · 2 mentions · first at
    Repeatedly discussed due to the film's wet-nurse/brothel subplot and questions about realism, fetishization, and bodily autonomy.
  • Violence — Concept · Core theme · 3 mentions · first at
    The hosts contrast cartoonish, consequence-free violence with cultural discomfort around nudity/breastfeeding, and cite kill counts and squibs.
    The violence. Violence. This is the problem with this country is like we have no problem. We're so disgusted by women's bodies. By the way, I took a wellbutrin about a half an hour ago and I've had two cups of coffee.
  • Breastfeeding — Concept · Core topic (realism + cultural attitudes) · 3 mentions · first at
    June Diane Raphael and others debate feeding a newborn (formula vs breastfeeding), milk 'coming in,' and the film's breastfeeding imagery.
  • baby farm — Concept · Plot device / ethical horror element · 4 mentions · first at
    Central plot explanation: a senator creates many babies for future bone marrow harvesting; villains target the farm to stop gun-control agenda.
  • Comedy — Concept · Interpretive lens (self-aware tone) · 3 mentions · first at
    A major question is whether the movie is a parody/sendup or straight action; hosts argue it's intentionally funny with precise timing.
    He like kills people with a carrot as if it's like Bugs Bunny and we're well, no, that is intentional. This movie is in on the joke. It is not We are not pointing it out. The…
  • action movies — Concept · Genre frame for evaluation · 3 mentions · first at
    Used to situate Shoot 'Em Up among John Woo-style, Face/Off-era, and later Taken/Fast & Furious templates.
    But that's a great comparison John Woo in this era of somebody who's making visually sumptuous action movies that just don't have any of this.
  • gun control — Concept · Theme identified within the film · 2 mentions · first at
    The hosts call it 'a gun control movie' ironically embedded in wall-to-wall gunplay, tied to the senator plotline.
    Got a baby farm so the setup is there's a senator who wants to become president who's in charge of gun. Oh, this is a gun control movie. Also, the theme of this, one of the…
  • squibs — Concept · Production detail illustrating violence scale · 1 mention · first at
    Cited as a statistic (6,000 squibs) to quantify the film's practical effects and intensity of gunfire.
    Just have some of the stats. 151 people are killed in less than an hour and 30 minutes. And they used 6,000 squibs and 15 gallons squibs.
  • baby box — Concept · Real-world alternative proposed · 1 mention · first at
    Raised as a safer, realistic option for surrendering a baby (no questions asked), contrasting with the film's risky baby handling.
    Oh, there's there's some wonderful baby boxes.

Media & podcasts

  • Shoot 'Em Up — Media · Primary film discussed · 2 mentions · first at
    The episode centers on dissecting and celebrating the 2007 action film's tone, violence, and lactation/breastfeeding motifs.
  • League of Extraordinary Gentlemen — Media · Prior Discord-picked film (negative comparison) · 6 mentions · first at
    Used as the example of the Discord 'failing' previously, motivating jokes about rigging and distrust of the voting system.
    Discord, I guess. I still would I would disconnect it nonetheless, but yes, redeemed after the disaster of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I will also say, June, we did not watch this movie together. You watched it at a different.
  • The Core — Media · Alternative vote option / near-tie · 6 mentions · first at
    Discussed as the tied alternative to Shoot 'Em Up; rejected due to length and perceived mediocrity.
    Okay. and a team must drill to the center of the Earth to jump start the core by detonating an atom bomb.
  • Children of Men — Media · Comparison point for Clive Owen / plot echo · 3 mentions · first at
    Referenced to highlight Clive Owen's serious persona and a thematic parallel of protecting a pregnancy/baby amid chaos.
    Bunny character, but there is no Bugs Bunny wink. There is no Bugs Bunny kind of ryness. He is just straight. It's as if he's stepped out of Children of Men and stepped into…
  • Fast and Furious — Media · Comparison franchise for over-the-top action · 2 mentions · first at
    Referenced as a modern audience touchstone for embracing bonkers action; used to argue Shoot 'Em Up deserves similar appreciation.
    Different which is why they are Oh, no. We get it when it's taken or we get it when it's Fast and Furious, but this why is he doing what's up, Doc? what that's crazy, you know?
  • Taken — Media · Comparison film for post-2007 action template · 1 mention · first at
    Used to describe the later dominant action style: stoic hero, straightforward mission, minimal commentary.
    Then dominates and sets the template is Taken, which I think is 2009. I think somewhere around there. Taken I feel like really is like no, our hero is stoic. His mission is unequivocally good and without and there's no commentary.

Full transcript with timestamps

What's up, Glock? We saw shoot him up. So, you know what that means? Now it's time for this. We're going to have a good time celebrating failure. Not just cuz you know you wonder how did this wall in the mediocrity of some art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello people of earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Uh where we deconstruct bad movies normally picked by us, but today picked by you. That's right. The listeners voted and they decided that we would talk about a movie that I think is criminally underrated from 2007, a film called Shoot The Him Up about a man named Mr.

Smith who delivers a woman's baby during a shootout and then is called upon to protect the newborn from an army of gunmen. I mean, that is the plot. This movie is insane and I love it. And we're going to break it all down here today with my two co-hosts. Please welcome Jason Manukus and June Diane Rafael. How are you both?

Wow. I mean, incredible. Yeah, actually knowing that this was picked from the Discord um the elusive Discord. I don't even know where the Discord is to be quite honest. But knowing who knows where the Discord lives, but knowing it's picked from the Discord, I'm like this is a this is a gift for us.

Yes. From the community. By the way, this is the first time I'll say that the Discord has done something right. You know, I feel like every other time I've heard about the Discord, it is it is to say disconnect the Discord, which I still believe. I say shut it down. But but in this instance and maybe forever in this single instance of you know a a clock is right a broken clock is right twice a day. Uh that's this is this is one of them. So wait what did they make us watch the last time? They made us watch uh a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen uh which which we were which we were really the worst.

Now here's what I'm going to say. There was some manipulation here. Now, I have I have some issues, but I'm going to talk about the manipulation first.

It was rigged. Well, I believe it was rigged because if you watch So, classic discord.

Yes. Because the steel stop the steel or maybe don't stop the steel. If this was rigged, there are some situations. is sort of like I I remember, you know, when Eric Holder

came out with ahead with Barack Obama to like talk about redistricting and I I will say this about the Democrats, like we've done our own redistricting here and there.

Sure. Okay. Sure. Okay. So, it's like there are certain times where a little bit of manipulation, a little bit of not playing by the rules is what you have to do to get the job done.

Okay. All right. Okay. And I think that might be what's happening. Listen, if there's a little bit of rigging, if there's a little bit of I'm talking old school Chicago style,

that's what I'm talking about as backroom politicking. Uh I I'm cool with it. you know, if it gives us this, but I don't know if the last one was rigged and that's how we got uh League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

That's why it's so I don't trust the system. I don't I mean, we are going to be redistricting the discord. So, we are moving people who can vote when they can vote. It's there's it's some complicated thing uh that's happening right now. Yeah, we are moving people around. Uh you know, Scott and Molly are going to switch. We I don't know what that means, but we are we're just working a lot of things behind the scenes.

We're gerrymandering the discord. It looks like we are living in a failed state and this might be an opportunity, you know, if we're governing the discord to sort of create a template that actually works.

Well, I want to lay it down. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say I was going to say we and and I hate to bring this up. We were not elected. We appointed ourselves. So I I don't even know what kind of system of government we're running here.

But it's like there's a lot of there's a lot of arranged marriages that end up working out.

We are going we are going we are open. I love that you're tackling politics arranged marriages. June 5 minutes in hot. Sometimes the the people around you know what you need more than you do. You can get you can get sort of wrapped up in passion and like what's there right now and like not be able to see the forest through the trees, not be able to see what it takes to sustain

a long relationship. Have you ever been set up with a good person? I mean, that's the question that I want to ask you both.

No. And actually, no one has ever set me up. And I do take issue with that. I don't know what that's about. I'm not going to look at myself, though.

Okay. Well, wow. Okay. No one ever set me up. No, that's I mean to be fair, June, you are looking at yourself in a hand mirror right now. You are you are holding up a mirror.

By the way, I look great. She look looks really good. She keeps on saying, "Please make this podcast video so we can have it out there."

We're begging you, Paul. June and I are begging you to make this a video podcast. We don't understand why you won't let us.

Netflix now doing podcasts on Zoom. What are there are Zoom podcasts that are airing on Netflix? And if you want to know just how bad podcasters look, just go to Netflix. What are you doing?

That was that was part of the joy of podcasting. It's no longer a podcast. Actually, I want to call it something different. It's like this was I also want to it's a TV show. And I also want to say this to women. I wish we could lock arms and say no and say this was a medium that worked for us cuz people couldn't see us,

right? They had to listen to us. Here's the thing. Why would you want to look at the people who are just talking? This is a radio show. This is not this is not a visual medium. I don't understand.

Now look, occasionally we will do it uh like we did for our Christmas one. We'll be we'll make it special. We'll make it special. That's a live experience. That's a live show. That's a live experience.

By the way, you're going to pay for it. Wow, [ __ ] You're going to pay for it.

Wow. No way. I'm giving that away for free. What's that phrase? Can't give away the milk. You got to buy the cow first. And that's how I set up June. I'd love to just drill down on this with June. What do you think?

By the way, there's got to buy the milk. It's on my mind cuz there's so much lactation. So much lactation in this movie.

I almost sat down with my son and watched. What were you thinking, Paul? You said last night, "We're going to watch you up kids. Do you want to watch with us?"

Yeah, because I remember cuz I remember it being like a Bugs Bunnyesque paper and and I I did not remember how much breast stuff is and breast milk is in the violence. Violence. This is the problem with this country is like we have no problem. We're so disgusted by women's bodies. By the way, I took a wellbutrin about a half an hour ago and I've had two cups of coffee.

You're doing great work. You're doing great. Somehow we barely talked about the movie, but you're already talking about what's wrong with the country.

But this is my problem is like we are so like, oh, that's that's crazy to look at a woman's breast, a woman's nipple that smells like

crazy at all. I loved it. Now, this is why we need a video. so like fine with the violence and that's you Paul. You were so fine with the violence

showing our kids that level of violence. Well, okay, hold on. Now, I will say that I I feel like the violence is so cartoony. Yes.

As to feel like it's not like seven. It doesn't have any consequence to it. It feels It feels

All I know is you showed them Jackass and then Gus had two kids at school. two kids at school grabbing him by the limbs and throwing him as far as

and he did introduce it like a jackass video. Now that's cute. He's like, "What's up, guys? It's like

now I will say that Johnny Johnny will uh will be on a new episode of this uh show eventually. Uh we were just talking about that the other day, which I'm excited about. Um but when I told my boys that uh potentially Johnny was going to be doing a a show, they lost they lost their mind. Oh my god.

Um, but I want to talk about The Discord. Redistrict The Discord. So, The Discord, uh, was given a selection of films. The movie The Core, Cutthroat Island, Ice Pirates, The Pest, Shoot Them Theim Them Up, and Suburban Commando. All worthy choices. Now, I believe that the Discord's job is to pick, and this is a very tricky thing, a movie that is bad but watchable. I believe

I don't trust them with that. I believe they failed with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

They failed there. And I also believe they failed here because yes, this was enjoyable, but it falls into thank god it got made. I think maybe I'm wrong.

This I I feel like I agree. This feels more to me in the vein of Face Off or those kind of big budget very I I mean I feel like people are like it's so crazy. He like kills people with a carrot as if it's like Bugs Bunny and we're like, well, no, that is intentional. This movie is in on the joke. It is not We are not pointing it out. The movie is is and that's I want to

I'm happy to talk about it. I loved it. Yeah, we'll get into all that, but I want to talk about where we started a little while ago about how the Discord

Are you scared of the Discord, Paul? No, I just want to let you I am up in the business of the Discord. I want to let you in on it. Right. So,

wait, you're [ __ ] the Discord a little bit. And it's okay. Jun and I have an open Discord relationship. Anything on the Discord I can do. Now,

are you guys in a are you guys in a polycule with the Discord? It's It's We're kind of like uh the stereophonic uh spree. Like, we're It's There's so many of us. You can't keep track of what's going on. Here's what I will say. the the Discord had these votes and I'm watching it and I'm seeing certain things go up and down, but as it gets down to the final moments where the voting right before the voting is closed, there was an energy here of we can't piss off Jason. We can't make him mad at us again.

So, because of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I see. So, at this point, there starts to be a little bit of tampering with votes and we can start to see that they are not only trying to make you happy with a movie like shoot them up because I think that they're driving that to you and and unto all of us, but I think that they know that the wrath is going to come at them from you and this movie, The Core. So, what happens is

which I don't I can't I know this movie, but what is the core? The core is like one remember when they made all those movies where people were just going to the moon like there was a lot of a lot of moon movies. Uh the core is one of those moon movies and it is like with Aaron Ehart, Hillary Swank, DJ Kall, Stanley Tucci. Uh

the touat just a producer clarification the plot of the core is actually that the earth's core has stopped spinning.

Okay. and a team must drill to the center of the Earth to to jump start the core by detonating an atom bomb.

Oh, okay. Got it. Okay. I'm so sorry. The reason why the core not spinning is a problem is that it's been causing geostorm type natural disasters around the world.

Got it. All right. So, anyway, the core which is clocking in at an aggressive length at 2 hours and 15 minutes. Too long.

Yeah. So what happens is people start jockeying to create a tie. They're holding their votes back to manufacture a tie. Now Scott, am I missing anything major from that?

No, you're doing a great job. Okay. Can I ask a question, Paul, of you and and perhaps of Scott?

How many people are we talking about? Well, we're talking about like I mean I want to without I mean you can see the votes the the amount of votes for the core and the amount of votes for shoot them up. They're a tie and they're at 473 votes each.

Each. Oh my god. So, and then this is the most votes we've ever gotten because actually so many people joined the Discord. I think that they got in knowing like, okay, you know what? I didn't like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I want my voice to be heard. And then I think people are like, "What's the Discord? How do I get

And did we nominate the movies they could choose from or did the Discord come up with these movies?"

We did. We did. We I I called the Discord suggestions over the years and chose a group that I thought people would be excited about and that also covered, you know, a variety of genres.

Yes. And they're they're all over the board. These are fine choices. Uh but I will say when I saw the time, my immediate reaction was, well, the core is a movie that I know that Averil said don't do it. It's not really worth it. Uh but I want to be honest to the Discord and let them go pick what they want. And then shoot them up is a movie I'm like, this is really fun. I enjoyed it. So, we aired on the side of let's take the fun one, even though there's a tie. I think they were hoping to get two out of us. I see.

Uh, you know, if there was a tie, we'd have to do two. Uh, we're not going to we're not going to watch a 2 hour and 15 uh minute uh film, that is just fine. Like, yeah, it's not worth it. Not worth

I think if Averil said no, I I I trust I trust her implicitly. So, so that that is a thing. That's how we're here. The Discord hopes to make Jason happy by creating this tie.

Does the Discord care about me at all? I mean, I look, I believe that Jason comes at them way harder than you, June. I mean, obviously Eric Holder comes after you.

If I honestly, if I had the if I had the ability to unplug the Discord, I would I would just straight away do it.

Um, here's what I'm going to tell you about this movie, just from my point of view. I saw this movie in a theater and it was rockus. It was a party. People were going bananas for it. Now, my friend, good friend of mine, great director, Ben David Griinsky, was the director's assistant on this film. And I was talking to him about this movie. Uh because he was there and and pitched many jokes. If you listen to the DVD commentary, he's like, "Ben David came up with that. Ben David came up with that." What he told me was this movie hit in two ways. One, everyone got it and people were psyched. No one got it and people left angry. So there was a very he was like he said he saw it a million times and it just either worked 100% or completely fell flat. And I do think that to your point about the carrot and stuff, it was about a couple years too soon for people to get this level of like, oh, it's intentionally

trying to do. It's kind of almost a sendup of one of these kind of movies while also executing one of these kind of movies very well. It's not

very very well. Yeah. Oh, and and wait, Paul, who made this movie? This is this guy Michael Davies or Michael Davis. So, Michael Davis actually wrote the screenplay for Double Dragon with

Peter Gould from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Uh they were writing partners. Uh but but Michael Davis is a storyboard artist, one of the best of all time. Okay, so basically it's visually so good.

He basically created every shot in the movie Tremors. Uh and during like a period of time where he couldn't get anything made, he made like this animated sizzle reel of 17,000 drawings. That was the premise of this movie. He called it John Woo's wet dream and that's what he wanted to make this like this is like so it was like a 17minute long sizzle reel to sell this movie and that's how this movie was kind of birthed into the world.

But that's a great comparison uh John Woo in this era of somebody who's making visually sumptuous action movies that just don't have any of this. If people were coming in expecting a John Woo style broken arrow shoot him up kind of craziness, like these jokes or these absurd aides or these corny oneliners would bump you if you wanted it to be like a real like uh shoot them up, you know. Can I tell you where I think this movie fails and and and not fails? I I love this movie. I'm a fan of this movie. I was excited to watch this movie. I think that the what the trouble is is Clive Owen. He is great. He plays it perfect. But I think people coming in are like, "Wait a second. If he's in it,

is it funny? Is it serious?" Like, if you put in I liked that though. I did too. Yes, I agree with you though. It could confuse a viewer cuz he's so good at it. He's great

because you know he would be but if you had someone I'm trying to think of at the time like if you had Bruce Willis in this

Ryan Reynolds like you know like then you get then it's two wink wink I feel like you know

but it's kind of Bugs Bunny. I mean I love the I love Clive Owen. He's great. June what did you think of Clive Owen?

I thought he was perfect. I loved it. I mean, my only question for his character, honestly, this is like the only thing that bumped me in the movie was, and it's not even just his character, it's men in general in this film, don't seem to know that you can feed a newborn baby with formula.

I wrote that down, too. It seems like it's not a fact that is like penetrate. Now,

yeah, I will tell you that we are probably well, I'm I'm actually younger than both of you, but

I am from a generation of babies who were strictly formulafed because for a while there, our moms were told formula was better than breast milk. Mhm.

And so I wonder I actually had this thought like it because there was that campaign for a period of like formula is better and then of course there was they realized breast milk is and by the way quote unquote better like feed your baby with whatever the [ __ ] you have. But like I wondered if these men had been so indoctrinated with the idea of breast is best that they didn't know you could very safely and effectively

well they are from a generation that is probably prioritizing breastfeeding in a way that that you know picking up on all of the elements that that breastfeeding would have given the baby. I think, you know, not for nothing, boy, would this movie have been worse for wear if he had just gone out and bought a bunch of formula and never gone to Monica Belaluchcci. Uh, thank God for for Beluch.

The Beluch is Luch. We didn't have the Touch, but we did have the Beluch. And I mean, and by the way, when when there is a line it says uh and I won't do it as justice because Paul Gotti is the bad guy in this and he is fantastic. Like he is it's seen chewy.

He really turned my stomach effectively. Yes, he really turned my stomach. This lady's baby needs to be fed. Find me every wet nurse lactating hooker and mamry on tap in the city.

Now, here's a question. And again, I've always said this, the less I know about men, the better. Put it on a t-shirt, sell it. But the less I know about men, the better. But is lactating, is lactating, like fetishizing lactating that's a thing?

For sure. For sure. I guess. I mean, for sure. You know, like um I mean, I'm just saying, is it a Pornhub category? I'm sure it is. Um here's the thing. I think what's and and when we find Monica Beluchcci, she is lactating and her entire her entire um she's set up in a brothel where each of the rooms has a theme and her theme is baby.

I mean theme is her theme is baby. It's all baby bottles and her the John that she's with is is in a diaper and is breastfeeding. Can I ask like a a a sexually

innocent question? I've never seen besides going to a haunted house a wall of rubber that one person is behind. There seems to be figure that out.

I was like, "Wow, is that a thing?" His face was coming out, but his face was a part of the rubber, too. That

I think he was on the other side. No, he was on the other side, but like what happened? What transactionally is happening? You know, like what is this? What is this meant to elicit? I want a haunted house where that is happening. And they cuz they give you the illusion of reaching out and grabbing it cuz the wall

Freddy Freddy in that movie, right? But they can't touch it cuz you are separated.

Here's the thing though, the the cost of upkeep and and also just like making that. Yeah.

How many John's are arriving like that? That must be you know for any of the the rooms to make sense like you have to have a number of customers I would assume.

Oh yeah. I mean, no, it's like a movie theater not wanting three-hour movies because they can only do fewer showings per day. Like, how many John's fit that room's particular kink?

Well, because you got to hold it so taut. So taught. So taut. And how do you clean or or is it new? Is it a roll and you like each after each one it's rolled across, cut off, and that bit is thrown away?

It looked expensive though. It did. Now I here's a question. I mean maybe the John is bringing it with him. Now the other question I have is this is the theme

nunnery and then within the nunnery different rooms because it's I mean I know we're answered the door is answered by a nun in a thong uh that well first as a nun then revealed thong and it felt like nunnery like uh house of illreute but then it but then it felt like everything was themed and she was maybe the only one on break or is the nun just answering the door

figure out if the nun who answered the door she was just Well, I'm not busy right now. I do religious uh kink over in this room. I just don't have an appointment, so I'll answer the door.

Right. Like sort of like if you're not if you're not in the middle of [ __ ] can you please get the door.

And now I mean I will I will say this is very John Wick coded as well. I mean this is like it's got all the secret organizations the world. So there's so much great stuff. You know instead of a dog you got a baby. The baby is great. I mean it this is

it it no I mean stress it's not just a baby it is a newborn baby delivers the baby he delivers the baby and then the rest of the movie happens I believe within 48 hours I mean when I knew that this movie in the theater was great was like you open up on Clive Owen he takes a bite of this carrot like interesting and then uh and then the the movie starts and it's frenetic action some really cool shots but then the moment that really I was like this movie knows Exactly what it's doing is when he delivers the baby, omits a gunfight, then uses his gun to blow the umbilical cord like to separate the baby. I was like,

incredible incredible moment. I am in. Why not? I am. There is nothing else. And and

the only issue I had with him I I didn't like when he ripped her her her outfit open and said

feed Junior or whatever the [ __ ] he said. I I didn't like that one bit. I didn't like that either. And I didn't I

So your milk doesn't come in right away. It it also felt like how did he how was he so aware of like that, you know, like he I mean he's

well he just was he just needed the baby to be quiet as soon as possible so that they wouldn't be discovered, you know? He was just saying keep the baby quiet. Put a tit in its mouth.

Put his tit in it mouth and that's fine, but like the baby actually doesn't need to be fed right away.

Yeah. It just was making too much noise. Can we just talk about like being a lactating hooker because I I

just was thinking about it like she I don't know. I guess she was on some sort of hormone supplement to help her.

She It's explain she had a stillborn baby. Yeah. She We Now we didn't see that. She tells the story later to Clive and she says, "Why haven't you asked what happened to my baby?"

So her milk came in from the stillborn. Yes. her her her pimp punched her, she says, and her baby was born stillborn. And so my assumption is she continued to lactate and then used that in her

as her kink. Got to get a gimmick. Well, that's it. I think that that's more what it was. She's like, "Well, I I should use this." And then because of the amount that she is using it, she's never stopping. It's like those people who like will make, "No, I still breastfed my child." And they're standing up. Like I've seen that like on a my episode, right? You know, he's like a is somebody who's very old.

Sure. Sure, Paul. Sure, Paul. You've seen it in a my episode. Great cover. I'm always watching my I'm always watching a

I I've seen it on on a video on my I think I just want to shout I just want to shout out her character because of all the kinks that are available in each and every one of those rooms. The one I would like to do the least is lactating because that's a lot of work

to have your boobs filled with milk and then it it it hurts if you're not lactating. So then it's like, well, is she self-expressing? Is she pumping? I mean, there's so many questions.

It's also so much, it's so intimate. It's so intimate that to have a grown man,

I can't even talk about it, Jason. I can't even talk about it. That was a That was a moment talked about it, but I can't anymore. Talking about But it has to be over.

I do want to say that that moment really makes me recoil because it's like, oh, it's horrible. this movie.

I couldn't understand what it was at first cuz my mind, my imagination stopped. Yeah, it stopped. It had to protect itself.

Well, even at the time when you catch her giving the bad guy a [ __ ] behind the dumpster, I was like, wait, how did that happen so quickly? And we're in like there are some moments that really will take your breath away. And I will say those are quick ones, but the one that sticks in my mind, the one that really got to me, and I know it was there for Creep Factor is Paul Giamati looking at this dead woman that he is carrying around in the car. This is the mother of the baby who does get shot in right after delivering the baby. And she is still uncovered from when Clive Owen has ripped open her shirt to help her feed her baby. and he just grabs her breast. And I when I say there's a fearless performance going on here for Paul Giamati, like what he is doing is that scene it's

very very horrible. Very very horrible. But you I feel like I knew everything I needed to know about his character from like I'm like from it's the one two punch for G. I want to just say Giamotti is incredible in this. And he and Clive Owen as opposite sides are fantastic. And what's so good about Giamati is he's doing all of this disgusting stuff. The scene you're talking about, he's saying so many disgusting things, but then he's also continuously fielding calls from his wife where you can tell he is put upon and feels like he is not in charge.

Sweetie, this deal is almost done. Look, I've already booked my flight home. Okay. Okay. I love you, too. Yeah. Bye-bye. You know why a gun is better than a wife? H don't know. I mean, you can put a silencer on a gun. And that is like so funny to me that his performance is like basically built off of a a like the impotent rage of a husband who's being constantly uh had at by his wife which I think is very funny.

That is what's so great about this movie and I think really separates it from just being like a sendup of these types of movies because you know Clive also has these like very specific pet peeves. There are there are specific choices that are made. And I love when a character like this is just like like he doesn't like when people are raged. He doesn't like cats. Like there's things about there's specific things that he doesn't like. And to me, it's what elevates this movie.

Yes. And his performance in doing so, his performance, his stoicism, his everything. He's not leaning into any of the jokes that he is. He is the Bugs Bunny character, but there is no Bugs Bunny wink. There is no Bugs Bunny kind of ryness. He is just straight. It's as if he's stepped out of Children of Men and stepped into

Oh, by the way, there there is a moment that reminded me of Children of Men. It looks he's like in the same costume. There's one moment where he's on the bus and I'm like, are is this the Children of Men that we were promised? Because in a weird way, it's the same story as children of men. like he is protect I mean in that one he's protecting a pregnant woman to give birth but in this he got the baby to where the baby needs to go and the baby is what being used to genetically keep the governor young

alive the senator alive young to save his life yeah he had he needs the bone marrow of a a relative that has his whatever he's got a baby farm so the setup is there's a senator who wants to become president who's in charge of gun. Oh, this is a gun control movie. Also, the theme of this, one of the central themes is gun control in a movie that is wallto-wall guns, which is very

I loved I loved loved it. And by the way, this is a movie where I just have some of the stats. 151 people are killed in in less than an hour and 30 minutes. And they used uh 6,000 squibs and 15 gallons

squibs. Uh June squibs. They took a while to get the set, so it was a little It was tricky, but we But they got him. They did it six 6,000 times.

She'll always get there. She works. I mean, that was the thing. She's booked. She's getting She's She's ready to go.

It's been busy. But yes, it's saying something, but also it it's I think this movie is incredibly clever and smart and cool. But I agree, it's it's a blast. So anyway, just to finish my thought, he needs a bone marrow transplant. So he creates a baby farm with women so that he can have a bunch of babies that he can pull bone marrow from. Now, while that is happening, the uh gun company bad guy Hammersmith, he decides, I don't want this guy to live because he wants gun control. So I'm going to kill all those babies. I'm going to kill his baby farm.

And that's why he sends Giamati and the goons to go kill the baby farm. And that is where we are. And then at the end of the movie, of course, it's revealed.

Why not just kill him? Great question because well well because then it would be a line a line would kind of be drawn to him. Whereas if you kill a baby farm, you can't say, "Hey, someone came in and killed my baby farm." Cuz then more questions are asked. Well, why do you have a baby farm? Then there's a then there's a lot. Now, by the way, do you guys think there's anybody right now that has a baby farm?

Like, got to be, right? There's got to be at least one baby farm right now on this globe. Some billionaire.

When do you when are you able to extract that bone marrow, though? Great question. I

You can't have a bone marrow transplant until you're like, I believe, well, I don't know. Maybe maybe with pediatric. I don't know.

I don't know either. And that's so interesting. But wouldn't it be incredibly painful for the babies to have their bone marrow removed?

Oh, it's horrible. You you'd have to be at least 18. Uh because the the most successful donations come from people from 18 to 35. Uh so uh yeah. So that like they will not I mean

accept you. Yeah. Yeah. Minors are allowed to donate under strict ethical guidelines, but I don't think that they're going that.

I don't think this falls under that. Yeah. I don't think I Well, it definitely doesn't. Yeah. I Yeah. I just feel like you got to get some You got to get some more marrow in them bones

before you can give it up. You got more of that delicious marrow. By the way though, like this this poor baby when this baby I mean I had to do a lot of work watching this movie with the beginning sequence where the baby is under it's sort of in a football hold with Clive Owen and he's jumping over buildings and he's doing this and that and he's shooting and there's just several shots where I'm so worried about that baby's neck, you know, and

not never being supported. Never. And I have to say like I did wonder why all that Clive Owen can do the amount of multitasking that he's able to do could he not have created some sort of a bejorn because I didn't know if our writer director didn't like the idea and it I think this is a real his character really portrayal of masculinity right because he at some point is on his back but they never have him on his front in more of a papoose which is more of a feminine look. And I wondered about that.

I I'm June. I I understand that concern, but I think I have a different reason why that didn't happen is because I would say in almost every single setpiece, Clive Owen slides on his stomach across the floor, across conveyor belts, AC. He slides across

hundreds of yards. He covers a seal over a mile and a half of it's like run slip and sliding the sliding and shooting the the palm of his hand is going to be the better brace in this situation cuz he's able to like really pocket him like a football and the baby was not

a bigger boy. He's not a slip of a thing, you know. Wait, Clive Owen or the baby?

Clive Owen. Oh, no. Clive Owen's a big guy. I the one thing I'm going to say about Clyde Owen I have no

slipping and sliding no problem with the way that he dealt with the baby like yeah sure maybe a papoose but to me when he dropped the baby on the merrygoround in the blazing hot sun it did feel like now I understand uh why it has to go there but I was like well that's going to be a little hot that that's going to cook the baby I arguably the worst thing that he did was leave the baby in the baking hot sun

but he does know that someone will immed immediately find it, which they do. You know what I mean? Like it's

But I would have preferred that that B and I understand why you couldn't go to the police station, but there are many places where you can safely surrender a baby, no questions asked. So like find your local hospital.

They got that little safe, which I just saw. What's that? Oh, there's there's some wonderful baby boxes.

Yeah, baby. You literally open up, they have them, I think, at at a lot of different public facilities, firehouses where you open the baby box. Oh, it's like a library book return.

Yes. You put the baby in there that you have to surrender and you close it up and get no questions asked.

If I see one of those, if I open it, will there be a baby in there? Well, that's the thing. The EO that,

you know, it's not it's not just like a pickup. It's not like a vending machine. It's not a baby. It's I can't Okay. I can't I can't like put a I can't put a $5 bill in and open it up and get a baby.

It's not a baby automat. Now look, I will. Do you think Do you think the kids will know what an automat is? The I mean, yeah, our audience is going to definitely be driving on the

barely know what it is. I was going to say, June, do you know what an automat is?

I don't really. The the thing that uh I love about that sequence too, and this is why this movie to me is so [ __ ] funny, is he goes, you know, someone will find you. And then a woman goes,

"Oh my god, look at this. Someone left a baby." Boom. Just killed immediately. The movie has great timing. And it's like anybody who's missing these jokes that like when in the middle of a fight he spells [ __ ] you and then Giamati turns and then he shoots out the rest of letters and spell [ __ ] you too. Come on guys. So funny guys. It's very funny

that happens though in this movie and I just want to address it cuz it's something that always bugs me and I don't know if anybody else has this issue. Picture a giant shoot him up sequence. Okay. The one in the staircase where he's flying by that, you know, he's he's going down the staircase on that rope or whatever that is. He's tethered, shooting everybody. He kills in that sequence. It seems like at least 75 grown men minimum. Okay.

One of my pet peeves is that once he gets to the bottom, Paul Giamotti and Paul Giamati and everybody's been shooting at him. Paul Gotti's been shooting at him. Once he gets to the bottom, he's still in range, it seems, to be killed.

And yet Paul Giam, there's sort of this like gentleman's agreement like, I'll now watch you walk out. I'll now watch you exit, which is a solid like 10 seconds.

Yep. Where your back is to me. I know you're not going to shoot at me, but I will very respectfully not take this shot. It's it's and there's also there's something about them now being close enough to have words that now instead of shooting now we quip back and forth because there's some safety and feeling like well now I can shoot you whenever I want so let me give you a little bit of the the old business

the business and then that's the hubris that allows for Clivean to get away every time. But I agree that is that is a trope in this kind of a movie.

Yes. And I find it fascinating. And it's like we we we let our people exit, you know respectfully.

Well, it's the same thing, too, that happens, and it didn't happen in this movie, but I feel like happens in the the versions of these movies that aren't uh self-aware, which is they decide instead, now that it's the two of us left, why don't we put our guns down and settle this like men handtohand combat style, you know,

which always seems like it's not the right thing. It's not going to work out for time.

I will say favorite scene of the film is the sex scene. The sex scene is absolutely incredible.

Unbeliev Like look, you got him delivering a baby, having a gunfight, and then you think in this moment like, oh, we're just going to have like a little bit of a sex scene. And for the amount of nudity in this movie, I do actually think it doesn't seem gratuitous the the amount of uh like I don't know. I don't think she's ever nude. I mean, she's nude, but you don't see anything.

Yes. Oh, it's such a great sequence and and you know, I have to like really tip my hat

to Monica because she's having an orgasm and won't stop until she climaxes and she's being shot at left and right. And I wondered, I don't know about anyone else, but I wondered like, oh, if you're a sex worker and you have men who are sucking milk from your boobs, like is this just like she has not been able to have an orgasm or or on her and like this

to have a connection? I feel like they seem to have chemistry was electric. They know they know each other from the past. He brings the B when he shows up. We didn't say this, which I very much laughed at. when he shows up at the brothel to find her, um I'm assuming knowing she's lactating because he knows her already. He's carrying the baby in a brown paper bag with packing peanuts in it. And I was like, "This movie gets it." Anyway,

I loved it. So, the sex scene to me, it this is what's great about the movie is that they're in the middle of having sex. Gunmen burst in from every door, window, every place. Not only do they not stop, they escalate the sex. The sex now starts gets better.

The stakes are high. And Monica Baluchcci isn't like, "Stop, let me hide." She's like, "Keep going." And it's that's the movie.

She's like, "Little death, big death, it doesn't matter." Yes. I think the movie is leaning in, right? Leaning in.

I mean, I I I I think that's what Cheryl Sandberg Samberg said. There there is something about that relationship though that you you feel good about you feel like they you know what they got it together. This movie is a great example to me of giving us some information but not too much and relying on the actors to build a history with just chemistry and connection because you did feel it and you felt that they've been through something together that there was there was a lot of love and respect there and yet also like they're very wary of each other. I thought they did a great job. My favorite part, the the the thing that really it genuinely like not touched me, but I was like when she says to him when they're going to separate and she says to him,

"What if you don't come back? That's not going to happen. There is no way to be sure."

Yes, there is. And he puts the gun on her ring finger like it's an engagement ring. He put the trigger cover or whatever around her finger like a ring. I loved that. I was like, "This is romance. This works for me."

And and by the way, it also just goes to show you like I think that we live in a time where like, "Oh, what's the backstory? What's this? We need more exposition." This movie has none of that. We don't And we're And we're just we're just running. We're just running. Trust us. Don't trust the Discord, but trust us to fill in the blanks.

Now, did the audience did the audience trust it? No. But that's okay. I mean, the movie did not It was not a hit. As my shocking to me to be honest. I blame the times.

I blame the times. It's like because I think that 2007 2007 I think after this you get movies like shooting aces, right? Which was like kind of like, oh, we're doing a bigger thing. You're seeing like action that is just

bigger and more bombastic. I think that that style, that John Woo style comes in and is Americanized after. Well, and that's and I feel like the movie that then dominates and sets the template is Taken, which I think is 2009. Uh I think somewhere around there. Taken I feel like really is like no, our hero is stoic. His mission is unequivocally good and without and there's no commentary. It is just a forwardmoving shark of a person who just kills everybody in their way so that they can rescue the helpless woman, you know. And

I I totally agree. I I think that the one piece that I missed and it's possible I just was looking down at my notes at this time when we're in the car sequence and the baby falls out of the car after the crash and Paula runs over and you think the baby's been destroyed and it's sort of a a robot baby. It's a very realistic robot.

Where did that Where did that baby come from? Who knows? Don't pull at that string.

Yeah, that you just have to believe that. Don't pull at that string. And the other string not to pull at is when he goes to the gun factory. What's the gun manufacturer's name? I can't remember. He goes to basically

He goes to the Hammersmith factory where all the bad guys are and they're manufacturing all the guns. And he sets up like 100 booby traps full of guns. I'm like, are we to believe that the gun factory is has loaded guns? Like, there wouldn't be any ammo in these guns.

Yeah, I didn't even I was so okay with that. And he's he meanwhile sets up like a Home Alone level series of booby traps where he's pulling marionette strings and shoot is it's so satisfying and it's so fun, but the minute you start pulling at it, you're like, how on earth this would have taken hours to do,

right? Uh apparently, and this is a fun little side fact, you know, apology has gone through a lot of different uh phases in his facial hair and and and and his head head hair. Uh but when he did have to accept the best actor for Sideways, he was still fully in this character's hair and goatee. So when you do look at the pictures of him, you're like, "Oh, interesting choice." He didn't really clean up for the Oscars. And it was because he was dealing with this

this which was a an and definitely an when you look at him like it's interesting look for him.

That reminds me of when Hubble had to have have frosted tips for like two months for uh I Love You Man. Oh my god, that was amazing. The other thing that uh Oh my god, there there's so much.

I love the scene. I love the scene. I love the car chase scene. And I love that he causes a head-on collision so that he can fly out of his car into their car

again. Sliding Jason. He slides into their van, lands perfectly. He would be he would be demolished, you know, if if if real physics were applied to this movie. Everybody dies in the first scene, but by this time I'm like, I love it. He He launches into their car, shoots everyone in the car, and then he's like, "That's why you should wear your seat belt." He's got zingers for every line that he doesn't overstep. Not even when he's doing his zingers. That's why Clive Owen to me is perfect in this. He's not leaning into the jokes.

He is perfect because he's not even putting the James Bond sw like that kind of swarmmy. No, it's it's it's just clean and it's nice and uh I mean he this man is skydiving. He does it on like that's the other thing about this movie.

The shootout in the sky is incredible. And that's not even the end. Like every time you're like, "Oh, this is a sequence where you can't top this." And you can and is it the final sequence where he does put bullets in each of the like the divots or the the holes in his hand? the holes in his hand and lets them get heated up like popcorn to then assassinate the final guy. And I'm like,

this this movie and that's the what's great about the movie is and I suspect maybe why people wanted us to do it is that we would say that's ridiculous. You can't hold up a bullet to a fire and and aim it. That you wouldn't be able to do. No, the point of the movie literally was something they did on Mythbusters to disprove it. Like that's not we're doing we're doing Looney Tunes. The man's eating a [ __ ] carrot. He basically he like he is eating a carrot multiple times like

never ending carrots. He always is running out of ammunition and guns and everything else. He never runs out of carrots which I love.

He does have a carrot vest under there. Maybe that's why he slides so easily. It's just like it's sort of flush to his skin and it's just a a vest of carrots.

And they they if they go this way maybe they just roll. They're allowed to, you know, like it's giving him the ability to roll.

By the way, you can turn orange if you eat too many carrots. Okay. That's true.

It is true. It is true. I wonder too if we're meant to believe that part of the reason he's such a crack shot is because carrots help your eyesight.

That is literally what I believe is part of it. And I think what they realized was in the beginning it was like he has great eyesight and then they're like, "Oh, this is a Looney Tunes." like let's lean into both. And then carrot gags are like then he has to kill people silently and then he's just taking that carrot and shoving it through people's heads.

I got to say though, carrots do not taste good unskinned and it seems like he's eating carrots just in the raw.

He is out. You know that I only recently found out that baby carrots are just big carrots that have been carved down into small form factor.

Yeah, I'm finding it out right now. What are you talking about? Baby carrots are just big carrots that have been cut

carved into that, right? There's no baby. That's not a thing that it's not a Yeah. What's baby corn? Great. I mean, I think that's just a corn varietal that is small.

Wow. Wow. Well, I'm now different now that I know that. Here's my only criticism of Clive Owen and Monica Belaluchcci on the run parenting. I think they can come up with better than newspaper diapers.

I love Well, did you did you see the artistry that she was doing with those newspaper diapers

like origami level stuff? I mean, can't don't can't they just find cloth or paper t like take off your hat. Take off that

he takes off his sock. I love when he took off his sock and put it on the baby's head on the bus. When he sees the other when he sees the mother putting a hat on the baby, he's like, "Oh, I should be doing that." There's moments like that that are really tender and work again because he is a great actor.

Now, I did I do think that's the only excuse for going barefoot on public transport and I've seen people do it on airplanes and it's been very upsetting to me.

Barefoot, not socks. Barefoot. Barefoot. Barefoot. I sat next to a woman barefoot like wearing like wearing uh flipflops on a plane. Went into a bathroom that I knew because I had been in it. I knew was covered in piss.

Yours? Oh, the floors are disgusting in them. Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting.

No, I I've seen so many people get on a plane in sandals and then this one flight I was just recently on, he had sandals on, very like worn down leather sandals, sat right next to me, and then he took off his sandals and placed his bare [ __ ] feet on top of them. And I was like, I am so I truly had to knock my

worse when they put their feet up on like the chair in front of them or, you know, like up so that they're like on display. I don't need to see your stinky ass logs while you're on the plane. Put it away.

Put it away. Put it away, people. I'm I'm like I'm the anti- Tarantino. No feet, please. Chop them off.

Except if you're Clone and you're on public transport and your baby needs a hat. True. He escapes out of the head so quickly.

By the way, I did have a a heartto-he heart with my stepmom uh this past week where I was describing foot fetishes and I will say that I embrace

Why was that during a heartto-he heart? Because I was I we were talking about I heard it. I was on a phone call and I sort of heard it happening in the other room and I was like it was actually a heartto-he heart chase

because I was trying to help her explain a lot. I was like, you know, if you can believe it. It was a heartto-he heart. It was a heartto-he heart to kind of explain how people have different uh sexual wants and desires, right? And yet some we put on a stoop and we say, "Well, that that's made up or I don't know if I believe that they are that." And I'm like, "Well, let's look at this one. We know no one's questioning the validity of this one." Which

was it was she asking about the fetishes that were on display in the Monica Baluchcci?

Well, yeah. Did she watch the movie? She she I think this movie would have broken her. Uh you know uh I I know for a fact that uh she you know I I feel like uh she didn't want to even see Train Dreams because she thought it was going to be a little too too uh you know it was going to be too edgy. Yeah. A little risque. I don't know where I went with that. But yeah,

I have a question. Why is there And I want to be clear. I'm not bothered by this at all. I don't understand why there's a tank in the city.

I had I I thought I thought it was some display. It's a museum. That's why cuz the other mother's young at the kid and I love that moment, too, where you know uh where he kind of comes after that mom for being abusive in the thing. Yeah, it's just in a museum. He just knows about the the museum. The museum.

I missed I missed museum and I was just like I did too, but I accepted it again. There's lots of things I didn't Yeah, I didn't question. You can't. I loved at the end of the movie when he finds them in the the roadside ice cream shop/diner that looks like a tit. The the the the design of it is a is a boob.

Like Monica Baluchcci is so associate. It is a boob with cream in it with milk in it with ice cream. Oh god. Yes. That's like the end of the movie is also, don't worry, there's still lactating titties out here in the middle of the desert.

And for a movie that I think is like they definitely address like the the gun as a dick, this is a movie that also really just supports the boob, you know, cuz I mean that is that is the

that's something I can very much get behind. Oh god. Like like Underwire, I am also here to support the boob. I mean that that that line June looks June looks so upset.

Oh god. And again, this is why we need to go on video. Um, let's talk a little bit about this movie just just to give you a little bit of an update because I did tell you it did not make a lot of a lot of money at all. The the budget of this movie, $39 million. Conservative budget, right?

Pretty good for what they do. Opening weekend, 5.4 million, made 12 million, and worldwide gross only 27. It was not a hit in any way. It has a It stands kind of right in the center on the tomato meter and the audience score, both at like 65 and 67% respectively.

That is shocking to me. And I'm also shocked. I'm shocked that it's that it did so poorly and I'm also shocked that it does not currently have a like and it is now a gigantic hit on Netflix or something like a new appreciation for it. That's what we need to do.

I think that we need to lead this charge because uh this is a movie that I think also had some weird moments associated with it. So apparently they marketed this movie with a YouTube video which was uh a bulletproof stroller. Um and they had the video was it was an ad.

That's got to be year one of YouTube 2007. Yeah. So they where they basically have someone with a submachine gun shooting at a stroller while a baby was inside to prove that the stroller was bulletproof. People did not get that that was funny. They thought it was real. Like this movie kind of had that thing where people are like it's too much gun violence. It was banned in the UK. Like a a billboard of them was banned. You know, it just was a movie that I think hit a lot of different weird moments where it was just not accepted.

So surprising. Yeah. And I think that people haven't seen it cuz I I literally uh I put it on my um my letter box last night. People reached out to me. I put stuff on my letter box all time. reach out to me to say, "Oh my god, I love that movie. I'm glad no one talks about that movie.

It is so fun and deserves to be celebrated in the same way that I feel like everybody now rallies around like we do the Fast and Furious movies, the the completely over-the-top bonkers level action movies. This is that only better in many instanc." And this guy doesn't go on to make any other movies. That's that's what I wanted to know as well was what else did he cuz this is very well done from a like this could have been a disaster, you know, cuz it's not it's $39 million for this level of stuff is not a lot of money and it looks great. It's it's edited great like this successful movie and you know and I was talking to again my friend and maybe I'm talking a little bit out of well I'm not this is not talking out of school. told me some some things, but he was saying that like the the thing that was a bummer was everyone's so proud of it.

It's it's a movie that they feel really good at. It kind of bombs at the at the box office, but he was like, I would go into meetings and no one would give a [ __ ] It would be like, oh, I was I was the director's assistant. I pitched all this stuff. I did all this and be no it didn't People did not like this movie. When you type in shoot them up, the first question is it a parody? People are confused. Uh, and that's and this is the this is the unfortunate thing. I think that we take things at face value a little little too much.

Well, I also think the audience for these types of movies might just not get the joke,

right? Or or it's marketed to one person, but it should be marketed to a different

which is why they are like, "Oh, no. We get it when it's taken or we get it when it's Fast and Furious, but this why is he doing what's up, Doc?" Like, what what that's crazy, you know?

This is this is it, you know. So obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

Paul and Jason talk a lot about what makes a movie good or not, but everyone knows they're actually full of [ __ ] We need a second opinion. Someone that knows what they're talking about. We need a second opinion. We need a second. Oh, give me a second. Oh, we need a second opinion. Thank you so much, Wolves of Glendale. They are awesome. Uh, all right. I will tell you some second opinions because uh there there's a handful. 3,72. 72% are fivestar reviews. So, Amazon gets it. Amazon's on board. Uh, Victor Colado writes, and this is one I'm gonna have to have you guys break it down for me. Um, the title is nice, super excellent. It was written uh in 2025.

A lot of codes in this movie. I hope many people follow the world become better. Five stars.

Oh, a lot of codes in this movie. I hope people follow the world become better. Oh, like like Clive Owens codes about like Don't hate your kid or not or liking dogs or all his all his kind of code of honor that he has.

Oh, I like that. He is he seems to me and we never find out. He seems to me to be some sort of like a samurai kind of a man without a without a house without a

man with no name. A kind of Sergio Leone kind. This one is from Randy 2015. Randy writes, "Come on, if you're a guy, you got to love this movie." And is there a hotter woman in the movies than Monica Belaluchcci?

No. I sure haven't seen one. And and it goes uh perfect guy movie, five stars. I mean, I just would say perfect movie. I don't I don't I don't think we need to gender it. No. And then uh and then finally this Amazon customer, no name given in 2022 simply titles his review guns and writes, "Glad I finally watched this movie in its entirety, "This was my favorite bad guy ever. I'm sick of cowardly bad guys. Five stars."

His takeaway was Giamati was not a coward. Uh, and I would argue, but I I mean I don't necessarily think of other bad guys in other movies as cowardly. I just don't know who he's like. Hans Gruber is not cowardly. Like

I guess like, oh, please don't kill me. Like if there's a scene like I mean, look, you know, like that kind of a this guy was like, I'm going to go down. I don't care. I'm going to go down. I I only have one question, which is I understand at one point when uh Clive Owen used the handryer to burn the man's hand to drop the gun. Great sequence in the dark fight, but then he heated up his own gun to fire Rick. I didn't quite understand what was going on there.

I couldn't also How hot the hand warmers get? Well, I think those are old hand warmers. That this is before it looks like cuz they have an insert shot of what's inside and it looks like an old cigarette lighter from a car. Yeah. You know, it looks like there's a heated up metal coil in there that that you could like like truly burn yourself on. I was like, that can't be right.

I I imagine that he wasn't holding his hand that close either, that would mean that we'd all have a burning sensation when using a hand.

And and if that and that guy's in the Secret Service. If you're telling me this guy's enough of a [ __ ] that he drops his gun because his hand got a little hot, come on.

Uh so, Discord, did they do it? Did they do it right? is the question. Reluctantly, I will say well done, Discord, I guess. I mean, I still I still would I I I would disconnect it nonetheless, but but yes, redeemed after the disaster of uh League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I will also say, June, we did not watch this movie together. You watched it at a different point, and that was one of my great sadnesses that I would not be able to to see you react to it. I'm happy to hear that you liked it. That's so sweet. Um I I loved it. I did have to wake up, set an alarm to watch it.

You watched it at what, like 9:00 a.m.? No, I watched it at 7:00. I started watching. That's why you were tired. That's so funny.

Yeah. 7:00 a.m. I watched the movie. Well, first I got the kids. I woke up at 6:00. Kids ready. Out the door by

I'm driving, so I don't see any of this stuff. Sorry. I'm just saying. And I just wanted to make it seem like I was doing something too.

Out the door. They were out the door by 7:00. So that hour is like crazy. And then at 7, I turned it on. I watched it. And then I said, I'm I got to go back to sleep. And then I I did sleep another half hour.

Oh wow. That's what a what a I would love to know what your dreams were like in that half hour.

Really crazy. I really It was a It was a very messed up obviously. I mean, I don't nap and I I always everybody wants to tell me to take a nap. Like, I never feel better afterward. I don't believe it.

Why is everybody always telling you to take Always telling me to take Everyone I meet um

always trying to Yeah. Always. You're always telling me to take a nap, too. And I have never felt better after a nap. And

I think that is I think that is dismissive. Take a nap. You know what I mean? Like I don't like that.

I don't like that. Uh well uh Jason, you know, you liked it. I liked it. We all like it. Uh yeah,

I loved it. Loved it. I think this is this again this goes right up to the top for me in terms of movies we've done with Face Off with Conair. This is to me is a god this got made.

Iconic. Yes. Yes. And also just makes me go like man Clive Owen good career interesting. I mean like he's coming off like he's doing like this is well if Clive Owen was meant to he's one of those great like almost was careers because he was maybe going to be Bond and then he has this run of movies this being one of them um the Tony Gilroy movie with Julia Roberts Duplicity he's got a bunch of movies in a row that just do not perform and it just including children of men that do not get him to that next level and it's heartbreaking. I would love to see him as Parker in a Westlake adaptation. He to me is the perfect Parker. We need that, please. I'm talking to you, Shane

G. Well, we'd have to have him recast Mark Wahlberg at that point then. Oh, okay.

Okay. So, um I I mean I agree with you one million%. Like I feel like I think he could still get like, you know, he could still I mean he was on the Nick and that people love the Nick, but that's that's 10 years old now.

Guys, get involved with the Nick. Oh yeah, it's really he's like he's good. He's so good. Um

he's incredible. All right, so any final thoughts here? Uh I think we we've said everything that needs to be said, but uh we do look to you the Discord to get into it. Like let us know about what's happening with lactating women. Uh, you use your expertise. So, we don't

God, unplug. Unplug it. Jason's right. Disconnect it. Please disconnect the Discord. What are we doing?

Oh my lord. Uh, what a blast it was to watch. Does the Discord ex is the Discord part of like the dark web?

I think it is. I mean, people, it's very hard to get on. Uh, and is it Do you have to get on like the silver road? How does it work?

I can't say it legally. I can't. Once I admit how to get there, then I then I am complicit. Um, but yes, uh, thank you Discord. We will visit you again in a year when we give you another chance to

Oh, that's a nice healthy That's a healthy That's a healthy time away. And as always, if you find a moment in this show that you would like to save for a Howdy, uh, let us know cuz we are collecting those in Discord as well. So, it would be way easier for us to do the howdies instead of just deciding to do the howdies and then uh going, "Oh, what what what moments do we like?" And then that then that makes us not do an episode of the Howdies for 9 years. Um, okay. So, uh, that is all for now. Discord, you done it again. That's right. Thank you for voting. Thank you for making a choice, even if it was a wrong one, because honestly, at the end of the day, we really did enjoy the movie. Um, as always, if you have a correction or omission for this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619 P AU LSK.

That's 619 Paul ask. Write a comment on the Discord at discord.gg/httgm. And on next week's Last Looks, we will respond to your messages, and I will also chat with Jason about all the movies and TV shows that we are currently loving. Hey, if you subscribe to New York Times, you can read an article about me and my Taylor Swift documentary. That was a a great uh little piece uh written about dads and daughters. I think you'll like it. It's called Dad, You're So Not Embarrassing Me. Uh for shirts, mugs, stickers, and more, just go to hdtg.com and click on the merch link. You can also click on the hat link to see our hat collection, which are on sale for 30% off. That's uh that's pretty great. And by the way, there's only one What's Up Jerks hat left. So get it before anybody else. You can check out me and Jason live at Largo every month. That's right. We're going to be there this Saturday, February

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Shoot 'Em Up"?

Paul Scheer (Host), Jason Manbikes Manucus (Guest), June Diane Raphael (Host).

What is "Shoot 'Em Up" about?

A chaotic action film centers on a lone man who delivers a baby during a violent shootout and is then tasked with protecting the newborn from an onslaught of gunmen, fueling a wild, over-the-top rescue mission. The discussion analyzes how the film blends absurdity, high-octane violence, and genre tropes to create an underappreciated cult classic.

What is mentioned in this How Did This Get Made? episode?

26 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Shoot 'Em Up, Discord, Jason Manukus, June Diane Raphael, lactation, Clive Owen. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Shoot 'Em Up"?

The episode runs 1 h 9 min; the transcript is about 13,238 words in 270 timestamped sections.

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