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Ultraviolet LIVE! w/ Nick Wiger & Mike Mitchell (HDTGM Matinee)

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Ultraviolet LIVE! w/ Nick Wiger & Mike Mitchell (HDTGM Matinee)", an episode of How Did This Get Made? published January 6, 2026 (1 h 29 min, about 16,258 words). It mentions 19 people, works and ideas, including Ultraviolet, Mila Jovich, Pixels, Daxis, Nick Wiger.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Mila Jovich, Ultraviolet, Jason Manukus, Mike Mitchell
  2. – 20:00: Ultraviolet, Mila Jovich
  3. – 30:00: Equilibrium, Screen Gems
  4. – 50:00: Christopher Xavier, Escape from LA, Ultraviolet, Violet Songjet Sheriff
  5. – 1:00:00: Pixels
  6. – 1:10:00: Ultraviolet
  7. – 1:20:00: Ultraviolet
  8. – 1:28:43: Ultraviolet, Bubba Gump, John Gabris, Opening Night

Notable quotes from "Ultraviolet LIVE! w/ Nick Wiger & Mike Mitchell (HDTGM Matinee)"

  • We saw ultraviolet. So you know what that means?
    about Ultraviolet · at
  • Mila. but to help me dissect this and get to the bottom of it, my co-host Jason Manukus.
    about Jason Manukus · at
  • Have you seen a lot of Mila Jovich movies?
    about Mila Jovich · at
  • He Well, he directed another film called Equilibrium. Okay.
    about Equilibrium · at
  • Yeah. There's no reason. Well, she changes like her form the same way like in the X-Men, you know? It's like why am I forgetting that character's name? Mystique.
    about X-Men · at
  • Briefcase to a place, but if it didn't get there, this reminded me a little bit of Escape from LA, like the when they give him the flu or whatever. And it's well, it seems like an arbitrary clock on this. Wait,.
    about Escape from LA · at
  • Also open to a shared an interpretation that is a shared universe with the Adam Sandler movie Pixels.
    about Pixels · at
  • And I feel like you guys are poisoning yourselves and then it's I texted John Gabris when you guys did the thing where he ate 100 chicken wings or something.
    about John Gabris · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Mila Jovich — Person · 3 mentions · first at
  • Daxis — Person · 2 mentions
  • Nick Wiger — Person · 2 mentions
  • Jason Manukus — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Mike Mitchell — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Know these guys as connoisseurs of fine fast food. They are together the dough boys, BUT INDIVIDUALLY NICK WAGER, MIKE MITCHELL. WELCOME THEM RIGHT NOW.
  • Violet Songjet Sheriff — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Christopher Xavier — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Mystique. Yeah. and that's interesting because she could be Professor Xavier. She could be Wolverine, but she doesn't like Mystique doesn't just go like from blue to like purple or to pink. That would be the hair.
  • Wolverine — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Interesting because she could be Professor Xavier. She could be Wolverine, but she doesn't like Mystique doesn't just go like from blue to like purple or to pink. That would be the hair.
  • John Gabris — Person · 1 mention · first at

Books & papers

  • Ultraviolet — Book · 10 mentions · first at
  • Pixels — Book · 2 mentions · first at
  • Equilibrium — Book · 1 mention · first at
  • Escape from LA — Book · 1 mention · first at
  • Wet Hot American Summer — Book · 1 mention · first at
    And I will just plug Wet Hot American Summer 10 years later on Netflix. I have a small part in that. And then this movie opening night that I did.
  • Opening Night — Book · 1 mention · first at
    I have a small part in that. And then this movie opening night that I did also that's I think is actually pretty funny also on Netflix. and there's two. Watch the one that looks like I would be in it.

Companies & orgs

  • Screen Gems — Company · 1 mention · first at
  • Bubba Gump — Company · 1 mention · first at
    I did a high-end restaurant with you guys. I'm sure we did a tie in with Had we did the Bubba Gump restaurant and I thought that was going to be fine and I wasn't.

Concepts & topics

Places & events

  • Largo — Place · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

for the first time. And how did this get made history? I can honestly say I'm not sure if this is actually a movie.

We saw ultraviolet. So you know what that means? Screaming hot swagger grow baby in his belly rock like a rhinestone vest while ripping just in the Kelly or maybe see a burles show with crow and take a ble hitting cruise control J man big Paul in the beautiful June going to take you from the groove all the way to the room the games a street fighter hope to blow off steam just a sucker punch the odd life of Timothy green sharp n the bird demic how we staying alive they call it in the bad ass and he's on the line cranking in 88 minutes cuz they cool as ice cuz a bad Jim Barney looking kind of nice.

Paul and June getting literal. Jason is getting laid. June is making sure all the monkey shots getting paid. They judge a bunch of movies while they making the grade. Here's a real question for you. How did THIS GET MADE? HELLO PEOPLE OF EARTH people of Largo. WE ARE LIVE AT THE LARGO AT the Coronet Theater in Los Angeles, our LA home. And we are so happy to be here at this amazing theater. If you're ever in LA, please come by, check it out. We may not be here, but there are great shows here all the time. Um, we have a very interesting show. Uh, I'm just going to come out and admit it. I think this is the first Ma Jovovich movie I've ever seen. So maybe you're with me in that camp besides dazed and confused. This is I mean I'm talking about like post 2000 Mila. Um but to help me dissect this and get to the bottom of it, my co-host Jason Manukus.

What's up JS? Jason, Jason, how are you? You know, Paul, doing great. Doing great. Watched this movie. Did not care for it.

Um, I felt watching this movie as if I was playing a video game poorly. Like the the points to actually play the game never happened.

I was missing a couple of buttons. I felt like I was watching like one of those Sega CD games where I was like, "Hey, Corey Hayes in it. It's a video game, but not really." Like like as if if one of the buttons I keep pushing just changes her outfit. And that's apparently one of the buttons that works the best.

Oh, I think I hit that button again. Um, I will just I will ask this question because I I realized watching and I just said it.

Please, Paul, ask the questions that you want to ask. Have you seen a lot of Mila Jovich movies?

No, I can't say that I have. I've never seen like Resident Fifth Element. Right.

Right. Fifth Element. Okay. Okay. Creeps. There's a LOT OF LIKE YEAH. YEAH. HE SAID THE ONE THAT I LIKE CUZ SHE'S ALMOST NAKED IN IT. Remember this is a podcast recording, right creeps? So, tonight is a How Did This Get Made All Stars, which means we bring a guest from the past. We also bring a new guest, but tonight what we're doing is something a little bit different. Uh, I will introduce them together only because it is a official podcast crossover episode here right now. You know these guys as connoisseurs of fine fast food. They are together the dough boys, BUT INDIVIDUALLY NICK WAGER, MIKE MITCHELL. WELCOME THEM RIGHT NOW.

WELCOME. WELCOME, GENTLEMEN. WELCOME. NICE. YEAH. But I also know that you guys are uh you know you like nerdy [ __ ] and like like I do and uh and this movie

is trying for so many things in that world and and it's it it's not there like to me first of all the first thing I did is the minute this movie opens and you see these like um almost like a like a comic book opening I'm like oh is this based on a comic

right it's not No, not an adaptation. It's so And also too on the the comic book covers, I wrote down the very first one. This movie came out in 2006. The top the first comic book cover says, "Enjoy the amazing Japan animation starring Ma Jovovich. Were people saying Japanimation in 2006? Doesn't that feel like a quaint like 20th century term?"

I still use it. Is it bad? is and this is not Japan animation. No, it's not. And nor is it, I believe, based on anything. That's

No, it's based on nothing. The reason why the comic book thing was there cuz I I was partially like, did Rob Lifeel trick us into this somehow? Um, he there's a great he goes, "The opening credits are a comic book montage because the director always wanted to make a comic book movie." And that, by the way, is why this movie is on this show because that mentality is throughout like cuz you think like, oh, they're aping some sort of style like cuz it's very blown out and it's very like almost like it's shitty CGI.

Oh yeah. The shittiest CGI I've ever se when you guys were saying like Sega CD, we were talking backstage. It's like it looks like a cutscene and I don't know. I don't know if it's intentional in a cut scene.

They got they got the team behind the general TV commercials, but by the way, I'm on I would be more on board if the general and Shaq were in this movie.

Oh man, a General Shack buddy comedy would be like an A+ next to this. And the movie, you know, this movie is I'm I guess is what I feel like too. I'm always like, I want, you know, I don't why do I need backstory? I just want to jump in. Like, give me this the thing. And then this movie does exactly that. I'm like, whoa, whoa, give me backtory. I need like back it up. Slow it down, right?

Deal it out a lot slower. Yeah. Maybe those those scenes where Shield is just like having a conversation in a conference room aren't that bad cuz it kind of gives you some context for the world you're seeing.

Yeah. Like I just need to understand why a motorcycle can drive on the side of a building and what

why everything is radioactive, right? Why is everything radioactive or in the insignia of radioactivity?

That I couldn't figure out. I don't even know who these characters are. There's some that are vampires, some that are not vampires. THE VAMPIRES, ARE THEY really vampires,

Jason? No, they're not vampires. They're hemopages. Thank you. Some have teeth like vampire teeth. Doesn't have vampire teeth.

But she does. But she does. Okay. At 4620 into the movie. All right. Now, Mitch, just to be clear, you keep a Mr. Skin style website that is strictly where vampire teeth

where vampire teeth appear in movies, right? I'm a vamp nut. And I at 4620 I was like it's a [ __ ] vampire movie. I did not know for 46 minutes.

I I that's what I wrote down. They wrote vampire and Gar has the Gar You see G's teeth and he says vampire,

right? Yeah. Yes. And it was it blew my mind. I had no idea it was a I thought it was like a like a this is a tale about HIV and how we shouldn't be afraid of people who have AIDS. I truly thought it WAS

YOU THOUGHT IT WAS AN AIDS allegory. That was an AIDS allegory. They're throwing the blood at each other.

You were mentally putting this in the same category as like Philadelphia. This is like a morality tale.

Angels in America, ultraviolet. And the movie does something like right off the bat, which is such a [ __ ] you. It's like, "Hey, I live in a world that you won't understand."

Right. It's like, "That's the biggest cheat I've ever seen." Yes. It's It's delivered in VO. Yes. I was born into a world you may find hard to understand. And my reaction was, "Yeah,

very confused." She barely explains it, like the world is almost never explained what it is. Well, she so there there's the flashback, right, where she was pregnant with a kid and then she got the virus that g turns you into a vampire. She had a she miscarried, I guess. Her husband died and then and now this world like But that was like our reality. Was that what it was?

Become like an as it here's here's what I'm saying, Nick. Nick, someone out there.

Someone really took you to task. Who is mad at you? Ma'am. Ma'am, are you okay? Do you have a problem with with

I don't know if I said something problematic. Let me take Let me just take it back.

Single voice. What? With such such, by the way, she understood it more than anyone else, but everyone else like he's right. She's like, "No."

Ladies and gentlemen, Mila Jovich. She found out about the show. I came here. But no, what I what I meant by that is it felt like it was saying it was basically the flashback felt like it was kind of in our reality. Like it was kind of like like what we consider present day. Yeah. And then we flash forward to the future and I couldn't tell. So it's like so much happened in like 10 years then.

It's like a I mean it's like a blood holocaust, right? I mean, it's like so they take all the people with bad blood and they kind of put them in these like camps and then then they get killed or something like that. Like or they're trying to capture them and eliminate this race of badblooded people.

Sure. But then there are these good-led people that have like the nose purifiers and the weird masks,

but we we find out spoiler at the end. What we find out is that he is himself a hemopage.

Right. So, like, so why is he even wearing the nose plug? And by the way, let's let's just even let's even just show

uncomfortable. I feel like by the way, he I guarantee he was like, "You want me to?" Wait, what am I wearing?

Wait, but only in like one scene when I'm outside or all the scenes like this. Are you sure?

This is like the type. Is that from the comic book? It's not based on a comic. Wait, what? What? What is this? What? What? I thought I was doing aon amlux. Right.

Right. Um here this is like just the kind of shitty bad future dialogue that is throughout. Well, I shouldn't say throughout because I think if you put all the dialogue together, it's like what 8 n minutes maybe,

right? Uh here we go. Hemophages. No surprise. Flat space technology. Dimension compressing. Very rare. It's odd. What was their exit strategy? How'd they expect to transport the blood out of here?

Unless there was no exit strategy. Then what's the point? Well, what if they didn't come to take the blood out? What if they came to infect it?

My god. Ross. Poor bastard. That's the opening scene of the movie. They they are able to hypothesize plot points that would be almost impossible.

You never see Luen Davis ever again. He's he's gone. He just that is the only thing he's

Oscar Isaac is he in this and then he's goes away for the entire movie. You don't see it after that point where he says the poor bastard he's gone.

It literally I don't even under like watching it again it's like oh yeah that wasn't the beginning of the movie and it's not that the movie is long. It's not. It's like an hour and 22 minutes, but it that scene seems so inconsequential to

it seems to important people, I would think. Yeah. You know, nope. I don't Here's the thing. I don't know what or who Mila Jovich works for. Period.

Right. I don't know what she Does she work for those dreadlock dudes? No. Well, yes, she did. She raised them,

I think. So, does she work for William Fickner? No. William Fickner is like her Q in James Bond. Like, he has her weapons, but she produces the weapons out of thin air. I don't understand why he has

flats. That's interdimensional technology. It's very rare apparently. So, I mean, this had this movie had some big ideas. Fitbits that generate guns was a big idea.

Yeah. Why not generate a gun that is loaded, right? Why does the Fitbit also have to load it single bullet at a time?

Right. You see you see her like moving putting her wrist like filling the gun with bullets from her wrist so many times.

So many times. It's just it's not Yeah. It's I I today it's impractical. It was It's very impractical. And I I was getting a I got a recumbent bicycle. I don't mean to brag.

No. Yeah. An exercise or an outdoor exercise recumbent bicycle. Just for so people know, that's a sit down bike.

It's a It's a It's It's a sit down bike. It's just It's the laziest exercise bike that there is.

Sure. Sure. I think you gain weight when you work out on it. It's also the kind of bike that when you're riding it out in the world, people are like, "What an asshole."

Oh, yeah. You might as well be the guy that's walking around like a snake on your shoulders.

Is this sitting in your house? Is this like So, this is like exercise in the house.

So, yeah, it's an exercise bike in the house. So, I got this and a guy was setting it up today.

Yeah. And Ultra You've got a exercise bike guy? Yeah. I got I got He sets up all your exercise bike.

It's It's an option where you can get a guy to come over. Yeah. And he and he'll and he'll he'll fix up the bike for you if you're a pathetic man who can't put it together.

Mitch, are you lonely? I am. That's besides the point. But this guy came over and Ultraviolet was on pause and he said, "What are you watching?" I LIED

CUZ YOU DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T WANT to be judged by the exercise bike center uper [gasps]

that I was going to get on my exercise bike and watch ultraviolet. I was just like, "Oh, it's just something I turned around." I don't know.

I lied. Even though it was Apple TV, it was very clear. That's ultraviolet. This movie is going to change your life, man.

He's like, "Man, you're at the beginning, too. Fire it up. fine. All the routines are like you do uh one rotation of ultraviolet, then you get you watch just until the pinball guys get in and then that's a workout right there.

Those pinball guys were amazing. Yeah. Were they made out of glass? Yeah. Glass chest plates,

but that seemed to break them. Mhm. Yeah. I was confused cuz I was like, are they vampire? Why are they exploding? Cuz they're not like humans. And then the ball technology. They have ball They have ball technology where they fly around in a ball.

They're literally shot out of They're shot out of a spaceship that has like a a pinball machine kind of like uh like steel bar and they're shot

kind of like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12. And that I will say that that opening sequence was kind of I was like, "Oh, this is interesting." Like

you were wrong. Uh, but like I like the pinball guys, but then again, you don't know. There's no stakes cuz they don't even understand what the world is.

Well, I didn't understand. It didn't not until the police said it that they might have been there to contaminate the blood or that they want the blood because and and again, vampires don't come in by name until much later, blah blah blah. And nobody ever seemed to want to, none of like Mila Jovovich or the rest of them wanted to drink blood or is that not part of this version of vampires mythology? They just need the I I I

I couldn't tell because they also talk about at one point she like she doesn't have the mutation to see in the dark like that becomes a plot point

and she can go out in the light and she can go out in the light. Yeah. But what was the but she has that one thing where it goes inside her ear or what was that like that one moment when everyone's on the roof gonna shoot at her? Oh yeah.

And it was like did it was it like the sunglasses scene? Well yeah that's not Yeah. Yeah. Like what? Like she had some power there, but it was as an audience member. I don't know what it was.

I felt like it was super listening. Oh, I felt like she was listening to like where everybody was in the

geography. So, she had some good powers and not so good. Yeah. Is that a vampire specific?

I That's the thing. A bat a bat can hear. Oh, a bat can. Okay, that's what it is.

Is that it? Were her powers? We're guessing. We're guessing. Is her powers is what makes her a badass her power set vampire related or training related or what's the deal?

I think what makes her a badass is that all of her enemies like to stand around her in a circle

always. And then just set up their firing lines where they can just take each other out.

By the way, that's all they do is shoot each other in every fight. I will also say that the interesting thing about this movie and uh is that there's never a challenge to anyone that she's fighting. Whether it's 700 people or like or a dozen of them on the roof, she seems to equally dispatch them all with it's not like, "Oh [ __ ] how am I going to get out of this one?" It's like, "All right, let's do it." It just seems

Well, that's why it felt to me like I was playing a video game, you know, like it's all lateral fights. There's no there it boss battle at the end, but even that is also why did

there were the whole time there were swords in the gun hilt? The whole time she only used it in that one fight, I'd be using I'd be activating sword hilt immediately. Why is everybody using swords, too?

I'm sorry. No, Nick, did I cut you off about the vamp? So, so she misses that one mutation, but do we know anything else about

I don't Yeah, I don't know what her li Like I know she apparently she's dying, but I don't know what her liabilities are in terms of like what she loses for

dying though because everyone has a 12-year like life sentence when you get this, right? That was one thing I remember I think I remember hearing

that like once you get this bad blood you got 12 years and then you're done. So it is kind of an AIDS thing. Mitch was right.

Yeah. I knew it. I knew it was an AIDS thing. Oh boy. And it's kind of good if you think about it that way.

I'm just thinking about this other thing like when they tell her not to look in the the package cuz she's got she sneaks into this place and gets a package uh under false pretenses. We can get into that too. But by the way, I thought the real Courier looked like a way bigger badass.

Yeah. Than me of it. I would have liked to seen her do some fight scenes. Um, she opened up the case and there's like a a torso of a digital boy in there and then looks like a very small book bag.

Yes. Well, by the way, not a book bag, a briefcase. Yes. And like cuz it's small and uh and then the boy is out of it. But it seemed at a point it seemed like he was like digital, right? It didn't seem like that was a real boy, right? Or

But he really was in there. I think I he right. I mean I don't He definitely came out of there. Wait, I don't mean I don't mean to

like in the future can you put real people in flat like in in the size of like a computer laptop? It would be like putting me in there like like that that is like they don't describe like anything about that. You could put people like Jetsons. Like

I feel like what this this movie does a thing which is it establishes a bunch of like future tech and future stuff but explains none of it which is what movie it's like it's like the opposite of world building. It's like they don't build a world that you understand the rules of. They're just like this is there and also this. Don't stress it. But I would argue that without even having seen it, if you were to walk into that new Avengers movie that's going to come out, Infinity Wars, which is the culmination of 20 Marvel movies, you would go like, I get what's going on here. I understand on some level, right?

That's a hero. That person can fly. That person can shoot lasers. That's a green dude. Like, uh, like you would on a base level, you'd understand it. Is that your understanding of the Avengers? I'm saying if you've never seen it, I'm saying if if you're if you're a person who's ever seen any of them, you would under like this felt like I'm up for it. Like I I don't need that much rope. Just give me a little like let me come with you a little bit. And they don't do anything. Like

it it was like you were watching like the seventh and final part of a series and you hadn't seen the previous six movies so you didn't have any context for what was happening.

And also it's a bad series of movies. Right. Right. And a lot of the series in between it's just TED talks about the technology that's in the next series.

Not not only did it not describe new tech, but then it also confused like vampire like the vampire world because the thing about vampires is they're immortal. And I was like why are we afraid like they're afraid of bullets? I don't understand why they're afraid of bullets.

Yeah. It seems like a vampires can be killed as easily as a man. Yeah. That so what? Yeah. Why even be a vampire? That's

And also, what's the problem with the vampires exactly? They don't seem to be attacking people or feasting on human blood or any of that. It seems like they just maybe want to tamper with the blood supply.

Also, what's the blood supply? Why is there a building wherein all of our blood is kept?

The clean blood of federal blood reserves. Why would you need B? If you had clean blood, why would you need clean blood?

Why do we need that? Cuz it doesn't seem like you could uninfect yourself, right?

Do you have to receive continual transfusions to not catch the virus? Is it that kind of thing?

Well, then then that I was going to say then that guy should get it, but that guy is like, "No, I need to become a vampire to become a super great scientist." I don't know. I did write down just just to write down uh this thing that scene that uh we played earlier where they talked there. I would say that's the the most dialogue you're going to get for 25 solid minutes.

I wrote it down like when dialogue continued again, it was 25 minutes into a movie. And if a movie has an hour and 22 minutes, that's bold,

right? To almost go a half hour without any dialogue. I wonder if they shot dialogue scenes and we're like, "This isn't working."

I I do. You know what's working? The very slow plotting fight scenes. I do have um some in some information about it.

Oh, thank God. So, um the studio did not like the first version of the film. I would argue I did not like the final version.

The studio The studio said the I am in agreement with the studio. The original version was too emotional and they wanted more action. So they took a 120 minute movie and cut it down to 88 minutes. And uh and yeah, and that's that's what we do know. There was a 120 minute cut and then they reached a compromise which was an extended version of the film which added five minutes. What studio was this?

Um, Screen Gems. Screen Gems. Screen Gems. This I mean there's a lot of I think a lot of interesting things here. Uh, the director of this movie uh created something called Gkata, which is not a real thing. It's a unique blend of fighting with guns and martial arts. And that's what he developed. And that's and uh and apparently like he didn't think that Mila was bringing it. And so he wanted this, he's like, "You got to show me your intensity." So she just punched him in the face and uh and he directed with a black guy for quite some time.

So that's a little background of what was going on here. Is he So wait, is he saying because when I think of gunata, like that to me sounds like that that's probably something that originated like in Hong Kong in the '90s and then then it was brought stateside in like the Matrix, right? Like is he claiming credit for that? He says he has created Gangkata.

Oh, so he's saying in this movie this is something new. He Well, he directed another film called Equilibrium. Okay.

The one with Christian Braille with Kung Fu and Guns. So he's like gangada. I've created this even though the Matrix has been out at this point.

You're telling me after this movie, this person made more movies? You're telling me that Christian Bale watched this movie and was like, "Yeah, I'll do the next one. I'm in." Um, well, this guy has written a lot of movies. Uh, and I'll give you the rundown of them. Uh, Sphere, Thomas Crown Affair, The Recruit, Law-abiding Citizen, Salt, Total Recall, Point Break, the new one, and a movie called Double Trouble, which I remember as a kid starring the Barbarian Brothers.

Do you remember the Barbarian Brothers? Did he do to the the new to Oh, yes. Fair Hovind did the the old one. Yeah. So, these are all the ones he basically reboots. He does all the reboots of these movies.

Oh, they're all bad. That makes sense. Yeah, they are. They all Yeah. I mean, boy. Uh

I was just I was thinking of that little kid. Um and I was six. Yeah. And I was just like, remember how like hard it was for like Jake Lloyd with like episode one or something? I just can't imagine what world this boy lives in now being six from this movie. Like, do you think that would like [ __ ] with you or do you just not care at all that you were in this movie? There were times where I felt as though she was about to kiss him. Anybody else with me on that? Didn't you feel like this is like she's about to make out with this kid

and I felt like the kid knew it, right? Do you think that would really mess with you?

Do you think that she confused like when they like you love him like a mother she's like like love him like go kiss him like she just couldn't get that like that subtle distinction.

All right, there's a romantic thing. Got it. Is that what they meant like too emotional in the 2-hour cut cuz there were sex scenes? Oh my god. Jesus Christ.

Did I Did I lose YOU GUYS? I honestly It would be interesting if they did hook up kind of. There was nothing going like they sell they give a boy in a suitcase in the beginning and then he almost kill he commit he almost commits suicide, right?

He's standing on a round railing. Yes. He's just like standing upright on a round railing. I was like, "Does the kid have superpowers?" Well, the kid

is revealed to have nothing at the end. How did they hear this? Okay, remember when she's walks away from the kid in like the mall or whatever, and then they she hears a single gunshot, she comes back and they're scanning a dead kid body that looks like him. They're like, "It's not him."

So, did he kill a kid? Kid looks exactly like him. No, I think I think someone else I think another kid was given the coat that he had cuz the coat was taken off, right? And then that kid was mistaken as the kid by security and security killed him. But I

So they got an innocent child, like an innocent child was killed. Yeah. I I cared more for the kid who was killed for

I wanted the weirdo kid to die before the innocent boy. They I don't think it it was tough to tell what Mila's position was on whether the kid lived or died because she she saved him from the suicide attempt, but then she abandons him in the store and then at one point or in the mall and then at one point she turns to him and says to the bull boy she's protecting, if we're cornered, I will kill you.

Yeah. He's like, wait, you're going to we're protect you're escorting this guy to keep him from being captured. You're going to kill him instead of handing him over.

And and again, I want to just parse out the plot as I understand it. Please correct me where I'm wrong. She infiltrates the the company that is trying to eliminate people like her, right? The home heopages.

I I I am going to disagree for a moment. I don't know that it's a company. I think it's the government. Yeah.

But I think it is religious. Okay. In cuz it is like almost like papal in it's like it's like the Vatican in it is in its modeling. There's a very subtle thing you may have missed uh where the architecture of the building is constructed in the shape of a crucifix which yeah I think gives some some credence to your theory there. Yeah. Right.

I can't quite put my finger on it. There's something it feels coincidental. I feel like that I think you guys are reading into it.

And there's also a moment near the end where she gets stigmata in front of a glowing cross.

I was like, "What the [ __ ] is this movie doing?" All right, so she is Well, basically, we can all agree cuz let's let's try to walk it through and see. We can all agree that she is um she is going there to stop the government from releasing this boy.

No, a weapon is all she knows. A weapon that will kill all the people like her infected with. Yeah. So, that's the first part of it. She gets it, she opens it up, realizes it's a boy.

They tell her under no circumstances is she to open the package, right? Which she does immediately.

She sees the boy. And then she's like, "Oh, this reminds me of the son that I never had because when I was pregnant, I got this and I lost my baby." So then she's like, "You're going to be my son now."

That's a That's These are not lines of dialogue. Yeah. I mean, this is an easier to understand version of the film.

So, she's like, "That's that's her that's her runner." So, then she goes back to her bosses and she's like, "I'm not giving you this kid." Because what were her bosses going to do?

Her bosses were the vampire the dreadlock vampires. Right. The handsome the handsome man who drops down from the vent at one point and gets the kid like perfectly.

Right. So, they knew the kid would be like wandering by that one spot where you can be like Sometimes I want to just see like that movie where it's like, "All right, so I'll go up in the vent and I'll wait just try to get the kid like roughly in this area like and I'll and I'll drop and then he's up there waiting. I think I hear him. I think but um but all right. So she's like I'm not going to give him to my bosses because they're going to kill him."

Okay. So then the government is chasing after her to get him back because they want to kill everybody. And then but then the head bad guy is like, "Don't kill him. He's my clone." Yeah. And it's the opposite of what you thought,

right? It's not going to kill all the vampires. It's going to kill all the humans unless they get they line up to buy the antidote that we have made. Right.

Yeah. From the baby boy. Also, it is an AIDS parable. It is in a lot of ways. But she's often is sheep. Martin is the government Martin Skrey.

But who's jacking up the price of an anti-ads drug? The movie is uh really ahead of its time. Uh just think that did you guys see that testimony this week when like so he's like on trial and they were interviewing jurors and they're like oh what do you know about that guy and they're like oh I know he jacked up the price of this the Wuang album and they're like uh could you judge this guy fairly he's like I don't know he looks like a dick like one of the jur looks like

that is a fair assessment there there is there is some like weird like like Trumpian like she's like I could never give you this world and they're looking like at like a 1950s picture. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Right. It's like a 1950s like old for I'm like why why do they care about I don't know how far in the future is but why do they want to go back to a time when like it was like like there were Model T's and and like sock hops. It seems like that world is so far removed from what they want.

Yeah. They're in a CGI world. They're in a CGI world. Like 1950s is where they want to go back. It doesn't It didn't make any sense. Why do they go to the playground?

And then they go to a playground. God, they they ride a merrygoround. I thought for sure that was a fantasy.

I thought it was a fantasy flashback. Oh, they're really in a [ __ ] playground like on a on a tilt or whatever it is,

which is very romantic. He falls off and she like falls on top of him. Yeah. Tussles his hair. I thought it was a flashback. I thought it was a flashback to a scene that they had decided to cut from the movie. Like they were just like trying to like flash back by implication. This happened earlier, but it's like no wait, this is chronologically.

This is in sequence. So then how did they get to this playground? There's I couldn't figure it out.

It didn't seem like that was a world where playgrounds even happened. I didn't see any green grass areas.

They were I think on top of a building. It it like it zooms out and they're on top of a building.

Wait, on the playground? Yeah. Isn't Isn't the playground on top of a building?

Is that right? It might very well. I think it was on top of I think it was like a building.

I don't understand what this was. Wait, guys. I just I just I just looked at one of my notes. We didn't even talked about the blood chinwa or

Oh, yeah. Uh, so there people applaud for the blood chinwa. So there is they control the top 10 floors of this building

from what? What do you mean? That building is basically a gangster's building. Hemophasages on the first few floors and the blood shininoa above and blood shininois are different than hemopasages and not all hemophases are vampires,

right? I feel like there is some cuz they were like you're not like us. So, I don't know.

She seems she seems to kind of like them like she's like don't do like she's kind of like don't do this.

Yeah. She doesn't want to kill the blood chinwash. Yeah. And then she does and she kills all of them, right? They're just all dead and that's it.

Well, I mean, again, you pointed it out. Their formation was [ __ ] They literally got in a circle and all start firing.

Dances in the middle of a party circle. Yeah. While they all try and shoot her and shoot each other.

So, it's like a dance at a bar mitzvah only she's like jumping around in the middle and they're all like bang. Oh, no. I feel like this movie is like um people trying to read like oh what is that that everyone like reads that book that he wrote

infinite chest infinite chest. Yes. I feel like and everyone's like I get it but no one no one wants to admit like I don't I don't know what I just read and everyone's like I'll do it. Yeah. Yeah. So put chinwa right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm mad at them. No I'm I'm into them. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. No one wanted to look stupid on set. So like, "Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, sure. Sure."

The blood chinwa comes up again, too. Like like they come back. The blood chinwa is the most famous [ __ ] thing.

They're mentioned on the subway at one point, the blood chinwa, but I think that's the only other mentioned on the subway.

I think so. A passer by or does like who mentions them? It's just a blood chinwa game last night.

That was my favorite. the head of the blood Shinwa stands there and she moves out of the way and he screams and gets shot in the face.

By the way, that was my favorite thing about this movie. Um, when people got killed, it was so like they were all upset ABOUT IT. THEY'RE LIKE, [screaming] "OH, it was so like they really took in their death in a like they're like, "Fuck." Like it was you really you really felt like it was they were upset. It was not their time. abrupt in the body count in this movie.

She cuz a number of times they tell us how many soldiers are on site and she appears to kill everyone.

I'm going to guess her she is responsible for 1,500 deaths in this movie. Well, doesn't she go like this? Like she goes, "If you're going to come here, you got to fight 700 guards." And she's like, "All right." She's like, she's like, "I'm on my way."

Yeah. She gets there and there, she's like, "It's too many guards." And then a minute later, she's like, "No, I'll do it."

Yeah. There's zero tension about any of cuz she's just invincible. She just got god mode turned on.

And I don't know why. That's the thing is I never could figure out why she was invincible. What was making her better at fighting than any of the other people?

Yeah. She didn't seem to have she wasn't like the one. Yeah, she wasn't like Neo or something. She didn't have access to a a greater consciousness or a greater understanding or better fight programming. I don't know what.

Can I can I go can I go to bat for one thing in the movie? Yeah, please. The paper phones were kind of cool.

I love that. The paper phones were nice and I feel like they could be something someday or the paper phone was really cool. And what I really liked in the paper phone was like uh when she could talk to people, if you're talking to them, you could pull your own zoom. So, like she's talking to a guy, he's like normal size and then like the guy clearly hit a button on his end and his face was like and a giant face. Like he could be a little bit more intimidating and I was like, "Oh, I like that that

was that was head villain Daxis that uh his head got very big, but he could tell he was like, "Oh yeah, I'll hit this for emphasis. That's a good moment." It was like Yeah,

it was a Force Awakens like we Nick and I have argued uh in Force Awakens there's a bad guy named Snoke. Yes, I was going to say it's Snoke like

it's Snokeike and and we don't know if Snoke is big or small, which I think will be revealed in the newest one. Big or small.

I just I I I realized after I sent it to you, I should have like maybe told you it could have been a spoiler, but uh there was a uh a new toy released where they put Snoke next to a few different people and he just seems to be like

8t tall. Yeah. Like Yeah. Just 8t tall. That's the worst. That's the worst answer of all. It's kind of the le it's kind of the least interesting choice you want. It would be fun if he was tiny in tall.

I wanted him to be tiny, too. I wanted him to be a little It would be amazing if he's like super super uncomfortable about how tiny he is. That's why in Force Awakens he's gigantic. Um uh Oh, there was um one thing I wanted to play here.

Well, was it the ponytail dreadlocks fight? Yes. Oh, yeah. Here's the thing. If you're going to be some sort of martial arts like like hemophage fighter, like keep your hair in check.

Yeah, dreads are not good in a fight. So, this is a We're as fast as you. We're as strong as you.

Yeah. But are you one attempt as pissed off as I am? That was a sound of a pony. That was a sound of dreadlocks being ripped out of someone's head after she took someone else's like rat tail and choked them with it. Uh,

you know, the screenwriter was like, "I [ __ ] nailed it to you." Yeah, right, babe. Babe, you got to re read these pages I wrote today. This is [ __ ] great [ __ ]

It's It's also It seemed like the the the dreadlock man was trying to whip his dreadlocks at her.

As if as if it was a weapon of some kind. By the way, I just realized her superpowers. She's pissed off, right? Like, we're as fast as you. And she's like, "Yeah, but you're not as pissed." So, like that's that's her. She's a pissed-off vampire.

Why does everybody know who she is? She's like the She's like Everybody calls her Violet or V. Everybody knows her by name. Some people call her her full name, which is like four different names.

Violet Songjet Sheriff. Great. That's her full name. Songjet. Songj Sheriff. Everybody seems to know her. But why? What? What? What? What role or place does she hold in this society?

She doesn't see me like she should have been like the one like she should have been like working. We should have just established she worked for the government. She killed like hemopages and now she's like against them or something. Sure.

Herself is a hemophage. She's she's kind of established as like this chameleon. Like she can change her hair color and clothes color at will and then she go she influ I don't know. I don't know what I don't make sense. I DON'T KNOW.

WHY CAN SHE do that? I She can. I don't know. Yeah. There's no reason. Well, she changes like her form the same way like in the X-Men, you know? It's like like uh why am I forgetting that character's name? Mystique.

Mystique. Yeah. Like, and that's interesting because she could be Professor Xavier. She could be Wolverine, but she doesn't like Mystique doesn't just go like from blue to like purple or to pink. That would be the hair.

It's all hair and clothes. Yeah. It's not her skin. She can't look like anybody else. She always has her bangs and she always has the same format of hair and clothing. It just changes color. I really did not care for this. Let's let's go to the audience here and see uh if you guys have any questions. Um all right, let's see. Um All right, sir. Your uh your name and your question. Go ahead.

Uh my name is Andrew. Okay, checks out. Yeah. So my big question is just like okay so the guy like he cuts his hand on the thing how is this disease like transmitted because none of the protective equipment makes any sense in this movie the dude has like the nose thing

that would be like an air thing right yeah but HE'S BREATHING THROUGH HIS mouth

right if it's airborne he's getting it yeah I think you're forgetting saying the nose thing is cool.

Oh. Oh, and it's from the comic book. But even then, okay. No. Uh, even then, there's that one guy with the sizzler [ __ ] sneeze guard thing.

Yeah, right. No news thing. He's just breathing whatever's there. Yeah. It it lives in a world where oxygen can be blocked by like plastic that's not necessarily like Yeah.

Well, I feel like the the what you don't want is to get the blood on you. But okay. Yeah. Here's the thing.

Don't point at me. Sorry. I apologize. I don't know what podcast you think you're at.

Do not point at me, Andrew. Sorry. Um, if they're afraid of like the blood thing, why do they make her sign in blood to pick up the package and then like, you know, stab a garden hose. That was a really wide thing they shoved into both of her wrists.

Yeah. After having things shoved into her eyeballs, they're basically like sticking her like like they're sucking blood out.

They're basically like clockwork or aranging her. But if it's like it's all blood transmitted, why would you sign in blood for things? Like why not just

I think that's the point. They want access to your blood so they can tell you're not a hemophage. But when that other guy has like a little bit of blood, they shoot him in the head.

Yeah. Why would you ever be like I mean it's like you you better sign a contract or get shot. Like that's it. Like that's too there's no contracts around. You're going to get killed.

I I think Andrew's point Yeah. If you had, you would think that a company or organization that has a building in the shape of a biohazard symbol would know what a biohazard suit was.

They might have had the gu they might have had the nose guards in the mouth like in their throats because we never see inside their mouths to be fair. We never see inside their mouths. So

I could say I could honestly say that we that's true for most movies. I love I love that you are giving them the benefit of the doubt.

This movie specifically, you don't see inside anyone's mouth. And there could be a throat uh there could be a throat filter of some sort.

Like the nose filter. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh Yeah. [ __ ] you, Andrew. All right. Your name, your question. Um, my name is Anna and I was kind of confused as to why the briefcase was so important, but they were going to blow it up in 9 hours,

right? So, I guess they needed to bring the briefcase to a place, but if it didn't get there,

this reminded me a little bit of Escape from LA, like the when they give him the flu or whatever. And it's like, well, it seems like an arbitrary clock on this. Wait, is the kid gonna die?

The kid is gonna die. They do. They do say Victor says that. And he's he says it in a way cuz this is a a ch he's she's he's revealing the news that this child is going to die in 8 hours. So like just like the the like gravest emotional card you can play in a work of fiction. And the way he says it, the line he says to deliver this news uh to uh to Ultraviolet is kids toast to V.

Yeah, this 9-year-old boy is going to die in 8 hours. Kids toast V. Can I Can I quickly go back to the hair fight for a second?

Yeah, of course. I just thought it was so the it's the first J it's a J heavily Jama accent Jamaican man

and there was Oh no no this is a good point his mic get rid of him we had never met a Jamaican man before right in the movie and then it's a heavily accent Jamaican man just so they can have the dreadlocks fight I feel like never before like you never meet a Jamaican man

and then he's like V and And of course, it's a dreadlock. I just thought it was kind of

racially insensitive, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. I agree. I agree. I agree. All right, sir. Your name, your question.

Uh, my name is Jonathan. I was kind of alluding to what they were saying. Is this movie supposed to take place in the span of like nine hours or something like that? Like, generally,

she built a bond with this kid and like all this stuff happened. It's flashbacks, all this weird [ __ ] happening. And it's like 9 hours. You built this bond. All this happened in 9 hours.

She kills 1500 people. There was no night time. Yeah. No nighttime passed. Like they never like

the kids slept for like 2 hours, right? That cuts down on the time. That's like what are they doing?

Like I feel like she's like a psycho mom. Like she's like, "You're my child now." like and and and it and I guess like if I was to just give it one small note, I would say she should have had a child that looked like this kid and then at least you could understand like, oh, she's like putting that on it, but she was just pregnant. She never knew.

I thought it was going to be revealed to be her kid. Anybody else think that? Oh, man. So badly. They thought that was going to be the reveal was that somehow she had given birth to this very important child and they had told her that it had died and they had given her this disease and blah blah blah. That's structurally worked for me, but that's not what this was.

No. And you could argue that she should have let him jump off of the railing. The kid's life would have been easier.

But yet they're just going to keep on going and that's how the movie ends. He's like, "We're going to continue to fight."

No, the kid dies. I thought the kid Does he die? I thought he lived. He dies and then she goes back. Remember the the that the Draxus is about to saw into the kid's head.

Yeah. But because her tear dripped on him, she turned him into a hemophage. Yeah.

Which apparently does make you immortal in some way. It somehow allows him to be quote unquote reborn. And on the third day, he rose. Um,

it's it's typical Christ story. Um, yes. Who had the question here? Oh, yeah. Uh, Matt,

your question. I feel like every scene was from a different movie. Every scene followed different rules. And my main point is when they were fighting the blood chinwis, she could avoid every bullet. And then a few scenes later, she's in a mall and bumping into people left and right.

Good. Whichever way she walked in the mall, all foot traffic was going the opposite way. A B. She is the only person in this society not wearing a face mask. C. She is the only person wearing sunglasses. She's visible constantly. No matter what she changes about her hair or her clothing color.

Oh, no. She's just a girl with orange hair. We were going after girl with pink.

Look for the Look for the Look for the woman in sunglasses. There she is. Yeah. Your name, your question.

Uh, my name is Lauren. My question is, is half of this movie like out of focus? Everyone is like in melting wax figure the whole time. Like she doesn't have a nose for half the movie.

It is a good point. I wrote down like it felt like someone saw Sin City and was like, I want to do that, but I'll worse.

Yeah. Like, but it feels like it was a choice, but it was like they didn't have the technology right or something. It's airbrushed. That's what it feels like, right? Like

they made they made a really strong choice when she catches the rope and then rope burn like fire comes out of her hand.

Yeah. Yeah. Her hand like like that doesn't happen, does it? Yeah, it would. The smoke the smoke comes out of your hand like that.

No. No. I just think blood and flesh would shoot out. Also an also an indoor well.

Yeah. Yes. Well, that's the future for you. Yeah. There's there's a stained glass room with a with a well inside.

A well that is incredibly deep. All right. So, your name, your question. My name is Tom. Jason's kind of right about six.

[ __ ] yeah, I am. According to Kurt Whmer, I'd like to share a little trivia. He has stated that the film was directed in such a way as to allow for an alternative theory about the story. In this theory, the character of Six is actually Violet from the future who comes back after a cure for hemophia has been developed. This explains how Six has the cure and nobody else does. It also explains why Violet is so adamant about protecting a human despite her goal in life being to kill them all from the trailer. Um, the theory also explains why Six often disobys Violet and leads where they go, seeing Violet from the future.

Yes, Six remembers how things happen in the original timeline and can prevent them from occurring this time around.

Six is very much a boy, right? Director. Wow, that's a real But wait, does that was that presuppose that Daxis is lying when he says it's his clone or that Daxis is mistaken? I think that Daxis is always lying. I think this boy just show If if that's true, this boy showed up from the future.

What? [ __ ] Now listen, you believe me. You had me at Jason was right. But but where you lost me was everything you said afterwards. But by the way, he's just reading. I like that it said like the director says open to interpretation. this [ __ ] giant theory that's so complex. It's like it's not like uh like oh yeah in Breaking Bad like maybe Walter White uh died when the keys came down from the thing at the end. No, it's like that that's like a small moment. This is like oh yeah, if you just revamped the whole thing and fanfictioned it, it could be something.

Well, that's like the director being like, oh no, there are people who have theories that make sense of this nonsense. And I left the movie purposefully open to that by making it make no sense.

Uh, your name and your question. Hi, I'm Carly. Um, so you were wondering why when he was taken out of the suitcase why it was all like pixely or whatever, she had put like a projector thing on him like for then when she ran out and grabbed him. I was like, "What?" And she goes, "I'm taking you with me. Don't think about it." And then and I felt like she was saying that to the audience just like but

that's okay. See I felt like that. I felt like that in the exact in the scene a couple of scenes earlier where she says you might as well turn this off.

Stop watching this movie. Um don't bother. No, but I I hear what you're saying. But she did open it before she brought it to the bad guys and he was pixelated there.

Right. So, do you remember earlier when they were taking the sword out of that guy? It was all kind of pixy as it was coming out. So, maybe when things are like in the dimensional compression or whatever, they're pixely.

Got it. I I had a I I know the movie is also open to a shared an interpretation that is a shared universe with the Adam Sandler movie Pixels.

Sure. And uh so there is a little thing like a big giant Pac-Man running around.

Yeah. That explains the postredit scene where Josh Gad [ __ ] Cubert. It happens in pixels. See pixels for that.

Josh [ __ ] Cubert in in pixels. And then he has like he has Cubert baby. They have Cubert babies.

So wait, they are genetically compatible. Cubert Cubert takes on the form of a woman. Go ahead.

Cubert takes on the form of a of a sexy video game babe. And then Wait, what? Cuz cuz Wait a minute. Cubert is also already sexy as [ __ ]

So he's becomes even sexier or she he becomes like a blonde babe like warrior lady.

Cubert does. Cubert does like as a gift for Josh Gad for helping like defeat the aliens. Why would the aliens help him? Whatever. Uh and then Cubert changes into this woman and they get I guess get married and they have Cubert babies together. Like the weird thing is is that when they [ __ ] the babies that come out of the woman,

wait, they come out immediately. Do you watch them [ __ ] You don't watch them [ __ ]

It's implied. It's implied. And I'm sorry. And not to not to beat a dead horse here, but Cubert is still in the shape of Cubert.

So the babies look like Cubert. The babies are half Cubert, half Gad. Wait, what? It's like a hot.

Yeah, Cubert. Okay, so No, wait. That's not real, is it? Cubert. Cubert has the genetic Cubert is the in the physical form of a hot lady, but still has the genetic material of Cubert.

Cubert sizewise. Cubert is little. He's like Cubert size versus human proportions, but can like grow to giant size.

[ __ ] Cubert. He's [ __ ] somebody of equal stature. He's [ __ ] a lady that's the same size as him.

Is it a cameo or is it just a attractive lady? It's just it's just an attractive lady. Yeah,

but it's still anime. Hubert is the cameo. No, it's a it's a human actor. And so so he has sex with a normal uh lady and then she immediately like gives birth to Cubert baby.

There's a there's a time jump. You're saying the gestation period for a Gad Cubert baby is moments.

Well, there's a time jump. There's a time jump. I want to discuss Cubert and Gad until everyone just leaves the theater.

Oh my god, we got to watch Pixels. Yeah, he she that was in the script and people were like, "We're going to make this.

We You guys have to come back when we do that movie." I They all And the Cuberts are wearing diapers right?

Yeah. They're like baby Cuberts. They're baby Cuberts. So, she kept this DNA of Cubert, which is weird if you think about it because then like he is [ __ ] Cub. Like, it is Cubert.

It's just Cubert in uh Why not just Wait, does does Gat fall in love with Cubert?

No. No. He's attracted to the video game le. He falls in love with the video game Lee. She gets killed

and then then they win. Like they win they they beat the pixel aliens and then as a gift they transformed Hubert who was kind of like the funny sidekick this entire time into that attra the form of that attractive woman

so that Gad can get his dick wet. So and then and then Gad I guess marries her, has sex with her and has gives birth to Cubert baby. This is troubling on many of us. Does Cubert want any of this?

What? The picture you didn't even think about. Aliens come down and are like, "You're a lady now. He loves the lady. You got to do this, Cubert."

Like, is this Does Cubert want any part of this? You actually I don't know. That's a great question.

I don't know what Cubert's agency is exactly. Yeah. He might be stuck in like a hell where Josh Gat is [ __ ] him. Do you think they went like how many different video game companies do you think they went to to make that ask? Like did they start with like Donkey Kong and they're like like uh yeah we're open to it. Okay. He turns into a lady and then Gad [ __ ] Donkey Kong's like no

wait what? Okay Sonic the Hedgehog starts with Sonic the Hedgehog. The makers of Jouster are even like you know what we want to keep Joust pure.

We're we're going to we're pretty proud of the burger time chef. He's off the table for this. Was that is it Namco? What was that?

He came this close to getting dig dug, but we lost him at the last minute. Let us guess. Gad's going to [ __ ]

He figured I could get his dick past that that very airtight costume that he's wearing in dig.

Wasn't Cubert also like a homeless degenerate in Wreckit Ralph? Oh, right. Yeah, that's right.

But Cubert Cubert in all senses of like like representation, Cubert is Cubert lives a harrowing existence. Like I was going to say Cubert is like the vanilla ice of the video game where like Yeah, I'll do it. A home improvement. Joe, you got it. What do you got? Yeah.

I'm pretty sure there is a scene where Vanilla Ice and Cubert are probably in frame together in the movie.

Really? I I think Vanilla Ice is in it, right? Ice is more and more Sandler movies.

It's happening. Sir, your name your name and your question. Okay. Uh Luke. Um, so in the movie it explains that Daxis is the vice cardinal.

Where's the cardinal? Interesting. Like are they are they setting up for a sequel?

Yeah. Oh, they clearly are setting up for a sequel. I mean, and that I mean the one thing about this like movie poster is it looks like all of her movies too. like there like she's been in a lot of movies I feel like where she's just got swords or guns.

She's final death. No, not Final which Resident Evil. Resident Evil. Thank you.

I I love all of those Resident Evil movies. All of them. What's happening right now?

I don't know. I'm just Are we just hanging out now? I'm always Are we just having a cool Are we broing out?

What's happening? Nothing. So maybe That's a good call. That is a good Oh, that is a good call. There might be a uh

What else are you up to, bro? I I kind I kind of like the Resident Evil movies, too. I'm with you.

I've never seen one. I I I mean, they're not great. You know, they're bad, but they're they're so much better than Ultraviolet. They I mean, they're fun. They're fun. It's it's it's easier to wrap your mind around because there's at least an existing property you can kind of like Okay, this even though this is doesn't have much to do with the video games umbrella corporation, Resident Evil, this is like something. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I would even I would even like hearken a guess that there's like a uh a plot

like, you know, like like um these things are out and she's got to kill them and then it'll be okay, right? Like like like here I don't even know what I don't even really understand what's going on. We we tried to like go from A to I don't know I don't know what's happening here.

I on on the way to the theater tonight uh I ran a stop sign and I almost got into a terrible car accident. Uh and I didn't tell you this before the show cuz I wanted to surprise you that I nearly died.

Cool. Thanks. And literally the last thing I would have done has was to see ultraviolet

on the recumbent bike on a recumbent bike. That didn't work. The guy put the seat on upside down.

What? He put He put the He put the back of the seat on upside down. Yeah, he put it on upside down. Also, I paused this movie so many times. It's 120. It's an hour and 20 minutes and I paused it so many times. I finished right before I left and I would have the last thing I You would have to lie to my mom or something and tell her I was doing something different.

Yeah, he was uh he died jacking off. That's less embarrassing. Uh I um I fell asleep five times in the in in the final 10 minutes. Like I was like, "What is going on with me?" Like I was like once the lights went out and they got into like the flaming swords I was like

and I was like like I I couldn't keep my eyes open and it was early like uh like June was having some sort of meeting in the living room and I'm watching it and I'm like and I'm like it was like I feel like it was like 8:30.

I I watched it in the morning. I watched it Friday morning and when I got up and I was I was kind of like when you told me what the movie was I was like oh this you know what it's I like dumb action movies this will be I like me Jo this will be fun and 8 minutes in I said aloud to nobody this movie sucks well let's see what the actors had to say about it. Um this is uh this is I think will give us a little bit of insight uh on this. Here we go.

Who's this guy? Uh, I think this is I think this is the inventor of Gangata, the writer.

Can't think of a better person to direct the movie because it clearly is so in his head from the beginning to end. He managed to combine the underlying story which has multiple things and he did it in in a way which breaks the convention of the genre. It's all in his vision. This everything, every set, piece, costume, everything. I mean, you wrote it. It's very specific uh of what it is, what his intention is, the story that he wants to tell.

I heard that Kurt actually wrote the script for me, which was really flattering and uh exciting. So, uh was like, you know, shook hands and said, "All right, see you in Changhai." So, it's been over a year now that I've been preparing. The way the way William Fner was describing that of like it's all his vision was so clearly placing the blame on him. He's like, "Yeah." And and the even the producers like, you know, he he's got it in his head. Everything is in his head and we weren't privy to it. Please, please. Like I I um I feel like everyone makes a gamble on people like this cuz they're like, "It could be the next Matrix. I don't know. I don't [ __ ] know." Like, you know, it's like everyone thinks that they have the next Matrix when they can't understand it.

But what you forget to realize is the Matrix made total sense. Like it it was cool ideas.

It's a very simple storytelling, you know, with like cool ideas around it. It was never like, wait, so the baby and what and the like it's like it's you can describe the Matrix so

simply. Matrix one. Yes. Oh, Matrix Matrix 2 and three. Once we get to the rave, I genuinely don't know up from down what happens at the test screening of a movie like this. Like, do they test it? And then

that's true. That's that's when they went from 120 minutes to 88. So So all the notes of the comment cards they were getting back were like too easy to follow. Makes too much sense.

Whatever they do, don't re-shoot a frame of this to make sense. Yeah. No, I show her reloading more. And also shooting a gun like she's throwing stuff. This is um you're not throwing the bullets out of the gun. Uh this is another little thing here um that I thought was interesting. The film creates a fictional Asian race that speaks a fictional language called Theandi, which is just Vietnamese.

So it it's a fictional language that is only the actual language Vietnamese. Yep.

Which which people speak that one? I think that may be the uh Okay. Um but that to me is the shittiest thing of all time. Like yeah, it's a fictional language.

I would like a prequel movie. I want a prequel movie that is just the blood shininoa.

Oh wait, there's one thing I just remembered. Yeah. Is there does does she have inner dialogue just once in the entire movie when she drops

at the end as well? Oh, okay. Halfway through the movie at the end too right? Yeah.

Cuz when she drops off the kid in the mall, she's like, "Wait, what am I doing?" And you're like, "What?" I was I had to be like, "Did her mouth move or

am I having a stroke on this recumbent bike? Obviously, we had an opinion about

Are you Were you upset that you would die on the die in your car wreck and instead of of at the hands of Nick Wager?

I'd much rather have Wigger kill me at some point, which you will. Yeah, I went easy on you tonight. I was going to talk about how you would have loved those briefcase that had children in them and stuff.

Jesus Christ. You would? as an easy way to transport a little kid. Speak a little boy around.

I went easy on you specifically to not say that. Yeah, I would. I was going to say this, but I just

I was supposed to say thank you. Thanks, Mitch. Um I was I was going to try to be like I was going to try to be like the movie's actually good, but the movie's so bad and I'm mad. You could like it was like I try I like would try to go

try to find the I try to find the good. There's no there's literally no good in it. It is such garbage. It's the worst. It's It is like maybe the worst movie I've ever seen in my life.

You're welcome. Obviously, we have opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions as sung by our friend Ted. Hey, I have an opinion and you have one, too. Let's go to Amazon for a second opinion review. YEAH, GIVE IT UP FOR TED.

Great work, Ted. Great work. Um, well, I will say these are some of the best second opinions I've ever read. I had a very, very hard time cutting them down. So, I'm going to read a couple of them. I will say that it is amazing to read these because they all share one thing which is people are hot and horny from Mila Jojo. Uh like and and it comes through in these reviews. Um and then uh all right so this one is like uh this one just all right. Oh man, where should I start? Uh this one is easy from Dave T. I haven't watched it yet, but anything Ma Jovovich is in has to be good.

She's generally a tough girl, but she's not the villain. Not sure though about Resident Evil. Haven't seen that one either. Five stars. This one from John N. Title. Yep. Body. Okay. She's just hot. Five stars.

What? She's one of those people, even we saw it or heard it earlier tonight, that just brings out the creep in guys.

Yeah, this one from Mike. People seem to be pretty divided about how they like this movie, but I liked it. Mila is so so pretty and it was so nice to see her all the time. She really helps this movie a lot. But I guess it helps if a person is a guy and single that that means they're really going to enjoy this movie. There was good photography, good sets, and good music. I like it when a movie has good music. And I like the way it didn't become night whenever there was a battle scene. There's plenty of light so people could see what was going on. Five stars.

Wow. As a single guy. Uh um this one is from uh Forward OB Forward Observer. Uh and the title is runway modeling in our 21st century. Um and I'm just picking up in the middle here cuz that's I had to do with a couple of these. They're long. Um we are sometimes lulled and more often enlivened by the sensuous and sultry sound of her voice. Ew.

Mesmerized and transfixed by the resolute regard of her eyes, her mouth, and her face.

I don't like it. and alerted and attracted to her youthful grace, her confident P

and all else the amazing martial arts, the exceptional motorcycle stunts, the thoroughly surprising architectural elements of Shanghai, China, and the ever more alluring sequence of lush costumes and lavish sets,

though beautifully choreographed, vibrantly hued, and fascinatingly textured. Wo. It's really reassuring to know such a creature as Mila inhabits our planet. Five stars. Creature. Oh god.

There's also something about reading these with that frozen image behind. Right.

Um, as if she doesn't like it either. She's like, "This is uh this is from uh Lori. I love this movie so much. So much that I had to rent it twice. Then I bought it and now it's going on my iPod." If you watch it from the beginning, don't be high. Pay attention. What? But if you're watching it from the end, be high as you want.

Um, it's got a cool futuristic lifestyle going on, and I like that. I mean, who knows where our future will bring us. I wonder about stuff like that a lot.

Oh, I mean, is it possible for some of these things to happen one day? I don't know. Watch it and be prepared for pure entertainment. Five stars. And then I will go to uh the last two. Uh this one short one from Stephanie E who we've read before where Jason said that you thought this woman was pretty horny. Uh she said

the same person. Yes. How are we? That's Nate. That this is Nate Kylie's uh research. He has a good memory.

Okay, what do we got? I wish I could change my hair color that easy. Five stars.

Still sounds horny. All right, so this one's a little long. Just bear with me because I think it's interesting. Um, okay. Uh, it's Michael and the title is what you may not know about Mila JJ. Uh, okay. I'm reviewing another movie featuring the phenomenal Miss Judge because beside the fact that I thought this was another killer movie by MJ, but also because of the trivia I read going along with this one, I always knew MJ was bad to the bone. But I had no idea what she accomplished at this point and far earlier in her career.

This lady was modeling, acting, dancing, and an established fashion designer. She's immensely wealthy. Before she was even in her teens, throughout her early life, where most child prodigies crash and burn, she created an empire and drove forward the market herself onto an astonishing successful and extremely wealthy individual. Her workout regimen and is uncompromising and would kill a lesser person. By the time she became by the time she began acting more or less full-time, she could speak a dozen languages. Her IQ is off the charts. She amassed a huge fortune while most young adults are still struggling to quote unquote find themselves.

She's 415 years old. She invented fireworks. She can act as well as perform her own superhuman stunts. Yes, folks, she does her own stunts. Though Ultraviolet didn't do as well at the box office, some of her more popular films like Fifth Element. It's an amazing accomplishment nonetheless. And the list keeps growing. Wow. Five stars.

I feel like that review could grant her a restraining order. I don't know who he's fighting like who like I mean that is like a b that's like a biography that you would read in like a fifth grade class. Before she was in her teens, she was one of the most wellrespected fashion designers in the world.

Um she speaks high Valyan. There are literally uh pages and pages and I I I I'm I'm not going to bore you with it. their fascinating just backstory on IMDb trivia about all the technology in the movie that it feels like the director got on there and was like let me let me lay it out for you in very long wordy passages. I mean it's a sort of like you know uh the technology mainly takes form of an easily overlooked wristband although one-inch scabbards holding 42inch swords are also seen. Handguns with 18-inch bayonets are also stored in the six in sixinch grips.

And ammunition is also hidden in this manner. The bolts flying from the wristbands into the magazines on command. Uh and it's like it's like the technology is also used to create habitable pocket dimensions such as a briefcase backpack. Oh, that's what it is. Okay. Yeah. So, there it is. Um

Oh, now it makes sense. Yeah. Uh and like G's whole research lab is just in a different dimension. Uh yeah, we didn't know any of that.

Wait, Gar is in another dimension the entire movie? Really? Well, that's why his truck can be like a big giant lab, I guess.

Oh, cuz it's like it's kind of like Hermione's purse. Oh, okay. And then or it's like the tents in Harry Potter. Like it might look like a little pup tent uh but when you get in it's like a whole big thing. So that so the final shot which is the red Mac truck coming at the camera is that's his lab.

Yeah. Okay. So when they're inside his world, they're inside his truck. It's just enormous because it's in a pocket dimension.

Yeah. So where's the little boy when he's in the the backpack suitcase? What what dimension is he in?

I who knows, man. He's in some dimension. He's with the bullets. He's like, "Ah, all these [ __ ] bullets

just clanging around in here." Bayonets are stabbing. I'm like, "Fuck [ __ ] Get out of here." Um, well, before before asking you guys if you'd recommend this movie, cuz I think it's a real question. Uh, here's what the end VO is.

Yes. I was born into a world you might not understand, but a world has a dream. That's a romantic shot.

Still lives. And my body. Would God be able to fix it the way another had cured my soul? Maybe, maybe not. But this I do know. All those still out there who spread oppression, injustice, and hatred. They better hope not.

The end. It's even comic book font, which is annoying. There should have been a question mark at the end there, too.

I thought for sure there was going to be a postredit sequence. Yeah. Nothing really puts a like an exclamation point on a film like bold comic sands. Oh man. Well, Jason, would you recommend people see that movie?

No. This movie is legitimately bad. And it's not fun enough to to to to get to worth it for me, I don't think.

No, it's not. No. I'm glad that we watch it and this conversation is better than the movie.

But you shouldn't subject yourself to that, Nick. Uh, no. [ __ ] no. I mean, it's it's joyless. That's the thing. There's there's some, you know, like a bad movie some is like, "Oh, this is fun." You guys know some there it's a blast. There's nothing fun about this. It's just a slog. And and the fact that it makes no sense makes it feel it's 88 minutes and it feels interminable. Yeah. It it it really And it I feel like there was it's almost like an overloading of ideas in a way because it's like it's like, "Oh, these are all any of these things would be interesting if it wasn't all just jammed in there. It was like just closing that closet door and like enjoy it. Like it was almost like if there's enough stuff, you'll like it, but it just Yeah, it just falls apart.

Mike, I know you like this. Yeah. No, I liked it. Um, no, I mean, I think it is maybe one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. I'm not even kidding around. I I I thought I I was going to try to be contrarian in some way, but Force Awakens is much better than it. Every any movie is much better than I think Nick's right. It's just is it's it's like it doesn't do bad fun. Like there there's no like you can't have fun with the badness of it. Like what was the truck at the end? It wasn't I don't even know what the truck was and it the truck is coming at it doesn't make any sense.

I mean basically the last 40 seconds of this movie is all CGI like shitty shitty CGI.

And she doesn't even seem to care. She's like will I get fixed? Maybe, maybe not. And you're like happy with the fact that she turned that kid into a vampire.

Yeah. Which means 12 years. He'll be dead when he's like 16 or Well, well, he's not four, but he'll be

Well, I mean, he won't be dead because he won't be dead because he's her. Oh, but he's a he is a he is a he's a little boy right?

[ __ ] happens, man. But yeah, no, I I Yeah. No, it's it's bad. It's Yeah, it was depressingly bad.

Well, I I feel the exact same way. I echo everything that everybody says. It was uh interesting that a movie that seemingly like that seems like it cost a lot of money would be like no one stopped it. Uh it it um

How much did I'm curious how much it cost? Budget was Oh, not that bad. See, that's why I feel like she's the biggest.

It's all CGI, so I feel like and it's not well done. So, I'm going to say like 22 million.

Okay. Anybody else want to take any guesses on the budget of the movie? 40 million.

Okay. I'm gonna say god 15 million. I'll go low. All right. It's $30 million budget. Opening weekend was $9 million. In the United States, it made $18 million and in the world it made $31 million.

So, it made back its money. And uh yeah, well, I mean, we don't know what they spent on the rest but

yeah. Yeah, I guess you're right. The PNA on this was probably uh 50 cents. Wasn't there some sort of Wasn't Ultraviolet the name of some sort of other DVD thing they were doing?

Oh, it was like it was a Blu-ray HD DVD, but Oh, yeah. System or something right?

Somebody explain it very quick. You're the digital code. Oh, right. It was a digital code like like you would get the DVD and then you could put the thing in.

But was it named after this movie iTunes? Right. Free download when you bought the DVD.

Free download when you Yeah. Was it based on this movie? No. No. I mean like was it related to this movie somehow? Well, um I will tell you the one interesting spin-off of this movie was it made a uh he finally did get to make a uh a comic or a cartoon because it was spun off into an animated series two years later uh called uh it was called Sorry, I'm find

Family Guy. Uh yes, it is it was turned into the show Bob's Burgers. F is for Family. Uh it uh it's called ultraviolet code code 44. So uh if you guys want to find ultraviolet code 44, you get deeper into the world, you can get your answers about the uh the grandmaster, whoever that person was, uh the the the arch duke or whatever his name was. Um so, uh that's that. And let me just say, uh just so I can plug it so you guys don't have to, the Doughboys is one of my favorite podcasts. Uh

I will second that. God bless you. Thank you. Every week you guys go to a different chain restaurant, whether it be something as simple as like a Starbucks to a Red Lobster to In-N-Out,

and you're you're connoisseurs of this food. Can we counter you? Yeah. It's bad. It's really terrible.

Here's what I like about it. And cuz Yes, it is. It's it is it is you guys and a guest reviewing and talking about a meal you've had at a fast food restaurant. You're ranking the restaurants, etc. For me, it is a story of two men who are growing to loathe each other.

It is a journey from friendship to murder suicide. And that's what I find compelling.

Well, and I will I will I will then jump on that and I go, I think I understand though why it's happening because I have done one of these episodes. You feel physically ill after doing the episode because the food you're eating is bad and I feel like you guys are poisoning yourselves and then it's

I texted John Gabris when you guys did the thing where he ate 100 chicken wings or something.

He ate 100 chicken he ate he ate 100 chicken nuggets. 60 chicken nuggets. Yeah.

Oh died. I was like I'm concerned for his safety. Yeah. Yeah. I know. That's why I got this recumbent bicycle.

Good. Cuz cuz I The show is killing us. It's killing us. I did I did a high-end restaurant with you guys. I'm sure we did a tie in with Had we did the Bubba Gump uh restaurant and I thought that was going to be fine and I wasn't.

Even that was really bad. Yeah. No, we're going to die at some point soon, but we kind of both

We welcome death. Yeah. And uh and Mike, when is uh Love coming back up? Love [snorts] comes back in fe I think around Valentine's Day season 3 comes up. Yeah. Yeah. Tune in.

Very good. Nick, anything else you want to plug? No, I'm good. Jason, I'm okay. Thanks. There's a [ __ ] bug.

Plugging that bug. Um and I will just plug Wet Hot American Summer uh 10 years later on Netflix. Um uh I have a small part in that. And then uh this movie opening night that I did also that's I think is actually pretty funny also on Netflix. Uh and there's two. Watch the one that looks like I would be in it. Uh all right. Big thanks to Averil Halley who cut all these clips. Nate Kylie did all of our research. Kelly Alto who puts this whole thing together. Julia Diaz up in the booth. Alec up in the booth. Everybody here at Largo.

Thank you guys so much for coming out.

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What is discussed in "Ultraviolet LIVE! w/ Nick Wiger & Mike Mitchell (HDTGM Matinee)"?

In order: 0:00 Mila Jovich, Ultraviolet, Jason Manukus, Mike Mitchell; 10:00 Ultraviolet, Mila Jovich; 20:00 Equilibrium, Screen Gems; 40:00 Christopher Xavier, Escape from LA, Ultraviolet, Violet Songjet Sheriff; 50:00 Pixels; 1:00:00 Ultraviolet; 1:10:00 Ultraviolet; 1:20:00 Ultraviolet, Bubba Gump, John Gabris, Opening Night.

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19 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Ultraviolet, Mila Jovich, Pixels, Daxis, Nick Wiger, Jason Manukus. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Ultraviolet LIVE! w/ Nick Wiger & Mike Mitchell (HDTGM Matinee)"?

The episode runs 1 h 29 min; the transcript is about 16,258 words in 406 timestamped sections.

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