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Fifty Shades of Fascism

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· 1 h 35 min · 15,441 words · 150 timestamped sections

This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Fifty Shades of Fascism", an episode of I've Had It published February 12, 2026 (1 h 35 min, about 15,441 words). It mentions 32 people, works and ideas, including Donald Trump, Alex Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein, Christianity, MAGA.

What this episode is about

The conversation centers on frustrations with societal norms surrounding public inconveniences, particularly in the context of road construction signs that ask for patience. The participants express contrasting views on whether such acknowledgments are helpful or merely serve to mask deeper personal frustrations amidst the chaos of contemporary life.

Key takeaways

  • Acknowledging inconvenience is refreshing, but pretending it’s not inconvenient? That’s peak gaslighting!
  • If construction signs can ask for patience, why can’t we demand understanding for our emotional messes?
  • The phrase 'it was a God thing' is like a spiritual bypass; just call it what it is: science!
  • 'God is good all the time'—great until you face genuine suffering. Let’s get real about faith and pain.
  • Mega church culture isn't just loud; it’s a silence about the difficult truths hiding beneath their politically polished mess.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Mike Johnson, Donald Trump, God, MAGA
  2. – 20:00: Life Church, Donald Trump, Alex Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein
  3. – 30:00: Christianity, Fox News, Donald Trump, Israel
  4. – 50:00: Alex Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein, Israel, Elon Musk
  5. – 1:00:00: Israel, Donald Trump, Alex Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein
  6. – 1:10:00: Israel, Christianity, Zionism
  7. – 1:20:00: Tulsi Gabbard, Alex Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein, Israel
  8. – 1:30:00: Biden Administration, Fox News, George Herbert Walker Bush

Notable quotes from "Fifty Shades of Fascism"

  • Where I am in Trump's America that I'm irritated that somebody's trying to upgrade something and I'm thinking, Why are you saying pardon my mess? I'm stuck with your mess no…
    about Donald Trump · at
  • Right. So I think that's why it makes me even cringier because I know you're the reformed smoker of evangelical Christianity.
    about Christianity · at
  • I've decided like over the weekend when I was listening to Mike Johnson be Nope, no questions about the Epstein files. Nope, it's fine. My new thing is every time he speaks and…
    about Alex Epstein · at
  • Yeah, it's it's really bad. I want to start referring to Lady Graham, little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson, Josh Holly, JD Vance, and others with whom I believe are DL demon queens as alleged.
    about Mike Johnson · at
  • Permission structure for you to reject compassion, for you to reject empathy because their preachers, Craig Rochelle of Life Church, y'all look this guy up.
    about Life Church · at
  • They mask it as obedience, which is what Trump demands, obedience. And that's the through line between this authoritarian religion that's a cult, evangelical Christianity, and…
    about Christian nationalism · at
  • Great. I'm so happy to have you. I was just telling our listener that I your viral video where you're just bashing Christians that like that's my love language, bashing religion.
    about Anna Kasparian · at
  • To one of the biggest issues that's hurting Americans right now, and that's US foreign policy that doesn't actually benefit Americans. It's about benefiting weapons contractors, private military contractors, and foreign countries.
    about Israel · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Donald Trump — Person · Primary referenced political figure · 6 mentions · first at
    Central antagonist in the episode’s critique of MAGA politics, evangelical support, alleged corruption, and the Epstein-files discourse.
  • Alex Epstein — Person · Referenced subject of scandal/blackmail narrative · 15 mentions · first at
    Used as shorthand for Jeffrey Epstein in discussion of alleged elite impunity, blackmail operations, and the political/media fallout around “Epstein files.”
  • Jeffrey Epstein — Person · Referenced subject of scandal/blackmail narrative · 15 mentions · first at
    Discussed explicitly as the alleged hub of a trafficking/blackmail operation and as a key node in claims about foreign influence and elite protection.
    I've decided like over the weekend when I was listening to Mike Johnson be Nope, no questions about the Epstein files. Nope, it's fine. My new thing is every time he speaks and…
  • Anna Kasparian — Person · Main guest · 2 mentions
    Guest interviewee discussing political labeling (fascism), policing policy outcomes, coalition-building, foreign policy, and the Epstein-files discourse.
  • Mike Johnson — Person · Referenced political figure (criticized) · 4 mentions · first at
    Cited as a religious-right leader allegedly dismissing scrutiny of Epstein files; used to argue hypocrisy and institutional cover-ups.
  • Tulsi Gabbard — Person · Referenced political figure (election integrity concern) · 4 mentions · first at
    Discussed as 'sus' and potentially involved in election-related interference; framed as a shapeshifting opportunist with cult ties.
    Little bit. What is your level of confidence slash alarm in the upcoming midterms when we have Tulsi Gabbard in Georgia seizing ballots? What are your concerns? What are you…
  • Elon Musk — Person · Referenced elite/power broker · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as part of a cluster of powerful figures tied (in the speakers’ framing) to political manipulation and the Epstein-files narrative.
    Get about the lies told to us by our commerce secretary Lutnik, right? And also Elon Musk where they claim oh my god. Lutnik's interview about like me and my wife in 2005. We…
  • Craig Groeschel — Person · Referenced religious leader (criticized) · 1 mention · first at
    Named as an example of megachurch leadership accused of political silence and prosperity-gospel style messaging.
    Go look at his Instagram. Not one post about what's happening in this country.
  • Larry Summers — Person · Referenced political/economic figure (criticized) · 2 mentions · first at
    Raised as an example of elite Democratic ties and alleged influence; mentioned in context of Israel/IDF donation claims and TikTok ownership claims in the conversation.
    Just one example of what's been happening. Tik Tok being purchased by Larry Summers, who is the single largest donor to the IDF. the first thing that happened after that deal…
  • Riley Gaines — Person · Referenced political/culture figure (criticized) · 1 mention · first at
    Listed among 'religious women' providing an 'assist' to religious-right politics; invoked as part of a broader critique of hypocrisy and ambition.
    Right the problem that I have with all of this is these religious men with an assist from these religious just women like Riley Gaines, Caroline Levit, Pam Bondi, Paula White who tongue talks outside in the parking lot of the White House.
  • Paula White — Person · Referenced religious figure (criticized) · 1 mention · first at
    Cited as an example of prosperity-gospel/Christian media influence and grifting tied to MAGA religious signaling.
    Right the problem that I have with all of this is these religious men with an assist from these religious just women like Riley Gaines, Caroline Levit, Pam Bondi, Paula White who tongue talks outside in the parking lot of the White House.
  • Ken Klepenstein — Person · Referenced journalist (source of document claim) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as uncovering a national security memo about listing people with 'anti-Christian bias,' supporting the episode’s argument about state power and religion.
    Regime is very aware of this because now they're trying to in that national security memo that journalist Ken Klepenstein uncovered and tweets about all the time. They are…
  • Mitch McConnell — Person · Referenced political leader (criticized) · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned regarding impeachment and Supreme Court maneuvering; used to illustrate GOP hardball politics and Democratic 'integrity politics' failures.
    Of us here, was who is going to be attorney general. and he picked Merritt Garland because Mitch McConnell [ __ ] over Merritt Garland under Biden with the Supreme Court pick and he played integrity politics and Merrick Garland.
  • Attorney General Pam Bondi — Person · Referenced political/legal figure (criticized) · 1 mention · first at
    Included in list of religious-right aligned women allegedly enabling MAGA politics; used as an example of hypocrisy/ambition.
    Right the problem that I have with all of this is these religious men with an assist from these religious just women like Riley Gaines, Caroline Levit, Pam Bondi, Paula White who tongue talks outside in the parking lot of the White House.
  • Caroline Levit — Person · Referenced political figure (criticized; likely misspelling) · 1 mention · first at
    Named among religious-right aligned women; likely refers to Karoline Leavitt, but transcript spells 'Caroline Levit.'
    Right the problem that I have with all of this is these religious men with an assist from these religious just women like Riley Gaines, Caroline Levit, Pam Bondi, Paula White who tongue talks outside in the parking lot of the White House.
  • Marie Le Pen — Person · Referenced expert · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of political funding and affiliations.
    That Peter Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein are celebrating Brexit and that it's revealed that Marie Le Pen is also funded by Russia. On top of the outrage of the child rape, which is…
  • Nancy Pelosi — Person · Referenced political leader (comparative praise) · 1 mention · first at
    Cited as an example of effective Democratic leadership and vote-whipping; contrasted with Schumer/Jeffries.
    That he's not doing a good enough job because the right doesn't hate him. They hated Nancy Pelosi. And I didn't agree with Nancy Pelosi on everything, but she put up a resistance. She whipped votes and they hated her for it. She had power.
  • Brett Ratner — Person · Referenced expert · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the Epstein files and media production.
    That's not who she is. And Ratner deserves the scorn that he's dealing with now, especially with all those photos coming out in the Epstein files.
  • George Herbert Walker Bush — Person · Referenced former president (historical comparison) · 1 mention · first at
    Invoked as a predecessor who 'incubated' Trump-era politics; also referenced in context of evangelical political messaging.
    Into it so much that when I was growing up, I would pass these mega churches and it would say, Vote for George W. Bush today. Jesus wants you to vote for Bush.
  • Olivia Mun — Person · Referenced expert · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of allegations against Brett Ratner.
    Is, and he was implicated in 2017 was it no 2018 in the Me Too allegations. Olivia Mun, by the way, was one of the actresses who had made some allegations against him. And he…
  • Kylie Jenner — Person · Referenced individual in cultural context · 1 mention
    Clarifies the specific individual being discussed, as 'Kylie' can refer to multiple people.
    So, we supposed to start the podcast.

Companies & orgs

  • Life Church — Company · Business focus · 4 mentions · first at
    Discussed as an example of mega churches and their influence on politics and society.
  • Fox News — Company · Business focus · 4 mentions · first at
    Discussed as a media outlet with significant influence on public opinion and politics.
    Seems to be growing more and more of a problem as it becomes, you see it like Fox News. They're changing their, their bent to be more Christian. Well, why are they doing that?…
  • Biden Administration — Company · Business focus · 2 mentions · first at
    Discussed in the context of its policies and actions, particularly regarding immigration and foreign policy.
    Reality of the situation. And that makes people uncomfortable, but it's the fact of the matter. what just happened with Ellison, taking control of CBS and installing Barry Weiss, whose number one priority is what's best for Israel. that's.
  • Young Turks — Company · Business focus · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as a media outlet and in the context of a guest's affiliation.
    [ __ ] but I'll fight for your right to believe it. it and I think everybody's probably seen it. She is one half of the Young Turks. Let's welcome to I've had it, Anna Kasparen.

Concepts & topics

  • Christianity — Concept · Core topic · 5 mentions · first at
    Discussed in the context of its influence on politics, society, and personal beliefs.
  • MAGA — Concept · Key argument · 3 mentions · first at
    Central theme in discussions about political movements and their impact on democracy and religion.
    Colliding pumps. No, I completely agree and it just I cannot wrap my head around it. I have not spoken directly about this to the MAGA person in my life, my family member, but…
  • God — Concept · Key argument · 2 mentions · first at
    Central to discussions about religion, personal beliefs, and political manipulation.
    All the time. you probably didn't even know that. People say that all the time at church. God is good all the time. that kind of that one really pisses me off because that's so…
  • Christian nationalism — Concept · Key argument · 1 mention · first at
    Discussed as a political and religious movement influencing US politics.
  • Zionism — Concept · Key argument · 2 mentions · first at
    Discussed in the context of its influence on US foreign policy and politics.
    That's not the reason why there's no accountability. There's no accountability because all of our institutions have been occupied and controlled by Zionists. Like that's the…

Places & events

  • Israel — Place · Setting · 18 mentions · first at
    Discussed in the context of its political influence and relationship with the US.
  • Oklahoma City — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as the location of Life Church and in discussions about local politics.
    Why they bash evangelical megaurch goers all the time. Let's let's look at the evidence. Let's take Life Church for example in Oklahoma City, a very insidious cult wherein the…

Full transcript with timestamps

So, we supposed to start the podcast. Ready? One, two, three. Patriots gatriots theyriots black triots, brown triots, and every single one of these hypocritical mega Christians can do what? Pumps? [ __ ] off. Pumps, what have you had it with? Okay. What I've had it with is when you're seeing construction on the side of the road or construction in a in like a shopping center or somewhere that you are, it's there's this always a sign that says, "Pardon our mess." And I'm like, "Do we have a choice? You've taken up the whole highway. I don't have a choice but to pardon your mess." Same with like at the grocery store. Pardon our mess. When is somebody going to pardon my mess? When do I get to say I'm going to be [ __ ] crazy. I'm going to go nuts. I'm going to bang and and scream and yell and then I'm just going to say, "Pardon my mess and everything's going to be hunky dory." And I don't know, maybe that's petty. But that's

where I am in Trump's America that I'm irritated that somebody's trying to upgrade something and I'm thinking, "Why are you saying pardon my mess? I'm stuck with your mess no matter what because I have to drive down this street." So stop acting like we have manners.

So you would rather them not acknowledge the inconvenience. Yes. Because then it's

complete silence, right? Because by saying pardon our mess and I keep going up and down the road. It's like I'm all in on pardoning their mess, but I don't want to pardon their mess. I have to drive that way, but I'm not I'm not pardoning it.

H interesting. I uh I like the acknowledgement that it's an inconvenience instead of just the gaslighting that nothing's going on here, that they're not jacking everything up. So, the acknowledgment for me is fine. where I agree with you is um the desire to go crazy, but I don't equate construction improvements with personal unhinged stuff.

Well, I think it's because you're not as personally unhinged as I am. That would be my guess because the first thing I saw when I

I give you I give you a really good run for your money, though. I mean, I appreciate you're providing me a little bit of cover there, but I I I think that uh we're splitting hairs here as to which one of us is more unhinged. Um, based on how viral I go on the internet, I might even give myself

point position. You're not unhinged going viral on the internet. You're [ __ ] right. And you're the only person that says it in such a clear manner. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not unhinged.

So, will I piss you off if I at the end of my viral rants go, "Pardon my mess."

Yes. Because you're you're saying it's a mess. And it's not a mess. You're [ __ ] right. You're one of the few people that communicate in a way that's very plain spoken, yet what you're saying is very complicated.

So, when we see what Let me Let's do some role playing. When you're driving by and you see the pardon your mess, you just want to roll down your windows and say, "Fuck your mess."

Yes. I want to say [ __ ] YOUR MESS. WHEN DO I GET TO BE a mess? When do I get to plow my car into this construction and say, "Oh, pardon my mess." Cop out.

It drives you crazy. It drives me crazy. What about have a What about signs that say have a nice day?

As long as it doesn't say have a blessed day, I'm okay with it. Have a nice day, I'm fine with. But as you know, when somebody tells me to have a blessed day, I just want to reach through the phone and scream and yell and say, "Pardon my mess after I'm a net."

Okay, let me see how advanced you are in your deconstruction of faith because you are with the have a blessed day where I was early on and it still irritates me for sure. What about when people say it was a God thing? Oh, it it drives me [ __ ] bananas. It drives me bananas. Like somebody I know has a family member that's really sick and is going through a lot and so they've, you know, did this surgery and it's better. It's just a God thing. I'm like, no, it's really not. It's called science.

Science. It's called hospitals. It's called doctor. So I think I'm just so like because I used to say it.

You did. You said it to me a lot. Right. So I think that's why it makes me even cringier because I know

you're the reformed smoker of evangelical Christianity. Right. And I'm a great reformed smoker. I don't mind smelling smoke. But I think it's because I know how much denial and cognitive dissonance because that's what I was doing when I was saying it's a God thing. So now it just I'm 10 times more insane about it.

Okay, what about this one? God is good all the time. Um, you probably didn't even know that. People say that all the time at church. God is good all the time. Um, that kind of that one really pisses me off because that's so dismissive of human suffering to say God is good all the time and you're in the throws of like massive human suffering like maybe your government um separated your children from you without due process. Is God good during that time? you know, like

yeah, it it's just such a a dismissive thing to say and and it's so manipulative and gaslighting, but it's all that megaurch culture, which brings me to my oh grievance. I've had it with mega Christians and megaurch attending Christians, especially megaurch attending Christians. I really dislike them that are silent about the fact that the Trump regime is cankles deep in a pedophile ring wherein it is being revealed that the uh president of the United States, an obese man that wears a full face of makeup every single day, who clearly looks like he's dying each day. um appears to be compromised by Russia and by Israel and they just like whatever the plot is for the day, they just go along with it and I guess it's just God is good. Pardon our mess. You know, all of our grievances are colliding pumps. No, I I completely agree and it just I cannot wrap my head around it. I have not spoken directly

about this to the MAGA person in my life, my family member, but I do know that she was willing to make excuses about him banging out a porn star even though the chastity belt purity culture queen bee of that and [ __ ] or having a girlfriend like when his baby is little. So, I have no doubt that excuses will be made about that. But I think I've decided like over the weekend when I was listening to Mike Johnson be like, "Nope, no questions about the Epstein files. Nope, it's fine." My new thing is every time he speaks and says something biblical or um you know, God wanted us to do this or anytime he references religion, just say you cover up for pedophiles and you get out here and lie.

You don't get to talk about your religion. You don't get to talk about family values. Like your credibility is gone. So, let's just skip over it and watch that sniveling little titty baby flail around that somebody would dare to question his morals and ethics. And I'm like, dude, that's your jam. That you're good at that. You've done it your entire adult life. So, I'm just I completely agree with it. It's so impossible for me to believe yet it's not because people in churches have been covering up andor ignoring sexual abuse of children as long as I can remember. Well, no, that's not right. At least for the last 25 years, just one right after the other.

Yeah, it's it's really bad. I want to start referring to Lady Graham, little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson, Josh Holly, JD Vance, and others with whom I believe are DL demon queens as alleged heterosexuals because these are the people who say that homosexuality is a choice and the self own in that pumps is saying that they chose to be heterosexual.

Right? So that's the own in that because for me I didn't choose my sexuality. I just am heterosexual. For anybody in religious circles to say that homosexuality is a choice, they are telling on themselves that they are choosing something that wouldn't be their default setting. That they had to make a conscious decision to go, "Oh, the Bible says XYZ, so I choose that." Completely erasing who they are naturally. So, these little DL demon queens um in the MAGA movement, little Moses, Mike Grinder Johnson, who has, you know, a very tight relationship with God. So much so that God wakes him up in the middle of the night constantly to talk to him. Hey, little buddy, wake up.

You're Moses. All this stuff. It's It's unbelievable to think that this is a guy who monitors his son's porn use and then tells his son, "Hey buddy, in return, you can monitor mine." And he is all about these pray the gay away psychological torture, psychological abuse camps that every therapist and anybody in the field of psychology says is nothing short of torture.

He's all about these things. And then he expects us to believe that he's not this gender obsessed, sex obsessed, pornob obsessed god wakes me up in the middle of the night because we're titus ticks. He expects us to believe that he doesn't know anything about the Epstein files. And this is where evangelical Christians always get an assist from the people around them. The default setting in society is, oh, if somebody's religious and goes to church, religion equates to goodness.

Yes. To the contrary, I have found that the more overtly religious people are, the more they're hiding something rather nefarious and scandalous and depraved. And so for me seeing these red flags of Moses Mike Grinder Johnson and the people who in politics who just don't go after the hypocrisy in his religion, that's the most silent insidious part of this where people assume that the insane Christian who behaves like a pedophilic Satanist, which by the way I believe in Satan but they behave more like they it per their worldview are more aligned with Satan yet nobody will call them out because there's always difference given to religious people even this MAGA cult there is this cooked in societal acceptance that oh he's a religious man we won't say anything

right the problem that I have with all of this is these religious men with an assist from these religious just women like Riley Gaines, Caroline Levit, Pam Bondi, Paula White who tongue talks outside in the uh parking lot of the White House and then griffs everybody all the time. My problem with giving people like that difference is they are diabolical and ambitious. So we are we are deferring to people's worst impulses by saying oh people's religion is we can't talk about that. And here's how I know that these people know they're wrong because any opinion that you have is open to criticism. Any belief system you have is open to criticism. Evangelical Christians get so hurt and so offended and because there's uh inquiry or critical thinking into their world view and they are just I cannot believe that those ladies from I've had it have said you know Christians are like this or that. Well

maybe you should stop and think about it. Maybe you should say, "hm, I wonder why they bash evangelical megaurch goers all the time." Let's let's look at the evidence. Let's take Life Church for example in Oklahoma City, a very insidious cult wherein the pastor has 5 to700 million in the bank. His number one goal right now is not to provide comfort for marginalized people, but to preach a gospel of Christian narcissism where you focus on your relationship with Jesus and being right with God and I was born bad and I have to make it right and lures all these people in with the rock band and the dunk take and the coffee shop. Meanwhile, he's running a Ponzi scheme. He's got his number one goal is to make more churches, not we need to be on the front lines with ICE protesters.

We need to go to these ICE detention centers with our 5 to700 million in cash in our private jets. We need to go and stand outside where all of these children, some with cancer, are suffering in these detention centers. And we need to demand as religious leaders that we want to help these people. But they don't because big church is every bit as a big of a problem as big pharma, the military-industrial complex and the private prison complex, big oil, etc. Big church has been largely ignored by both political parties. And that has to stop right now. These people are the worst among us. They offer permission structures now. They're offering a permission structure for you to reject compassion, for you to reject empathy because their preachers, Craig Rochelle of Life Church, y'all look this guy up.

Go look at his Instagram. Not one post about what's happening in this country. Instead, it's all of this Christian narcissism where people just are constantly thinking, "Oh, I'm not right with God. I'm disappointing God." So, it keeps your eye off the ball of what the real message. And I'm not a Christian, but it's my understanding that the real message of Jesus Christ, who was a brownskinned Palestinian, was to meet people where they were suffering. This man spoke out extensively and exclusively against the accumulation of wealth. So, let's call out Craig Gchell and Life Church and say, "How do you look in the camera every single day with a straight face and say you are um preaching God's word when all your church is doing is accumulating wealth and trying to expand so that you can accumulate even more wealth, which is something that Jesus Christ, your alleged Lord and Personal Savior, frowned upon. And this needs to

be called out all day, every day because these people act with impunity. Their whole doctrine is forgiveness without accountability. Forgiveness without growth. And look at what they incubated. Look at this president. Forgiveness without accountability. Forgiveness without growth. knee deep in a pedophile ring, selling America down the river while these churches wrap up in the cross, wrap up in the flag, and grift and help give the biggest assist to the dismantling of democracy and freedom. And furthermore, I want to say this. Why do these evangelical Christians give a [ __ ] about gay people? It's none of your business. Mind your own business. If people are gay, it's not your business.

If people are trans, it's not your business. But yet, they are genital obsessed, gay sex obsessed. Uh preventing women from receiving healthc care obsess obsessed because these are the nosiest, most diabolical, toxic Satanists. And I don't believe in Satan, but per their teachings, that's what this stuff is. And these mega churches are incubators for the dismantling of democracy and the march into fascism. And I've had it from top to bottom. Boycott. Megaurches. You can buy that merch on our website. Megaurches need to be boycotted. They do the worst work, as you all would call it in the Christian world, the devil's work. They incubate people to turn away from their good instincts by constantly reminding them that they're bad and they were born bad. And that is so diabolical. And now these churches support and provide comfort to a mass sex pedophile ring against children. And they are just constantly exposed for the

hypocrites that they are. And we need to push back against this megaurch culture, this uh prosperity gospel culture, and call these people out for the diabolical human beings that they are. The worst Americans among us are the megaurch attendees. Well, I can tell you I agree with everything you said. I'm I'm a li I'm living proof that through my indoctrination and faith that I was brought up in and had into adulthood that I did not have empathy for people other than me. I was unable to have empathy and put myself in anybody else's shoes because I was special. It was about me. And so I ignored so many injustices because they didn't affect me. So if it doesn't affect me, why do I care? And I just I heard it over and over and over again. And one thing I would say, these people cannot defend it. You cannot defend you.

They cannot defend that they support Donald Trump. And I've heard even as recently as the last 30 days, you know, Donald Trump, he's just he loves Jesus. It's been just like what? He loves their version of Jesus. He loves the megaurch version of Jesus who is a white man who has taken over a religion of people of color. The Bible was written in the Middle East. All of these people were brownskinned and they colonized the religion, whitewashed Jesus and turned him into supply side Jesus. So yes, Donald Trump loves the Jesus that Life Church preaches about. He absolutely loves that Jesus. He loves the fact that these rich, diabolical, manipulative snake oil salesmen like the people at Life Church are um providing comfort in a permission structure for his fascist unrolling. And this religion is always co-opted by the worst forces in the world because the leaders of these churches are the worst people in the

world. And we need to say it. We need to stop this instinct that oh, we cannot criticize religion. The the the uh Trump regime is very aware of this because now they're trying to in that national security memo that journalist Ken Klepenstein uh uncovered and tweets about all the time. They are trying to make a list of people who have an anti-Christian bias. Well, why would they do that? It's a free country. First amendment. You want to you want to bash Islam? Swing for the fences. You want to bash Judaism, swing for the fences. You want to bash Mormons and all the, you know, extra wives [ __ ] that they did early on and that Mormon say Jesus was born in Missouri, we should criticize it. That's [ __ ] crazy. That's crazy [ __ ] We should equally criticize these megaurches that are constantly co-opted by the worst forces in the world, the KKK. Where do they have their meetings? at church when they hung

people outside under a tree and then took pictures smiling while there's a black man that has been lynched. What's in the background? A church. The history of this church, this racist sect of Christianity, this white nationalist version of Jesus, it needs to be exposed. These people need to be liberated like you have been from the uh horrors of being so scared of yourself, scared of your thoughts, scared of sex, thinking other people suffering is not something you can care about. I mean, that's really abusive. These pastors are abusing these well-meaning people and then they just keep capitulating and capitulating and capitulating until they're broken. And it's a real [ __ ] problem.

It's a huge problem. I I mean it is it's a huge problem because it's and maybe it's just because I live in Oklahoma City and everybody around me, but it seems to be growing more and more of a problem as it becomes, you know, you see it like Fox News. They're changing their, you know, their their bent to be more Christian. Well, why are they doing that? because they want to keep the people engaged despite the fact that Trump is [ __ ] all over the country that he's in bed with Putin, he's in bed with Israel. So, I I do think it is dangerous and it is becoming more dangerous all the time. And I'll just say from a personal note, just taking it out, it's just a very personal matter, like for me being raised in Christianity and having those kind of views that it's all about me. You know, I don't have to have empathy because my problems are better. Those problems aren't going to happen to me. I was

completely and wholly left without any skills to cope with what life handed me. Period.

Let me ask you this. Having been an evangelical, drink the Kool-Aid Christian for 45 years of your life, then you started deconstructing around 10 years ago. Are you happier now? Way, way happier now. So much happier. I don't have the hamster wheel of uh judgment for myself and other people. But don't get me wrong, Christians are the most judgy people on the planet.

But for me, I was super judgy on myself. Like, you're a bad person. That kind of stuff. So, I have been relieved of so much of that. So, yes, I'm so much happier now. And I feel like I have more control over my life. Like, I've made this decision. Good or bad, it's mine. I'm not going to, you know, go for a Hail Mary to Jesus to fix it. Like, I made the mess. I'm gonna have to clean it up kind of thing. Personal responsibility I think is something that you're just not taught growing up in that because I don't know why for me I just personal responsibility wasn't a big one.

Although they preached it, it was more of God's going to save you. So if obedience, right?

They mask it as obedience, which is what Trump demands, obedience. And that's the through line between this authoritarian religion that's a cult, evangelical Christianity, and then this authoritarian government that is a cult, Trump's fascist regime. And the through line is they demand blind obedience. And I just want to say pumps to you and to our listener, knowing you 25 years, the last three or four years is the happiest I've ever seen you. and you've actually been able to become who you want to be and not who these evangelical voices in your life scripted that you had to be.

And so I think your story is so important. Um and I think there's a lot of people that have been abused in these evangelical spaces and um it makes me sad for them. But that's why we have to keep telling your story because so that they know that there's hope that you can get deprogrammed and actually have agency and autonomy and compassion and empathy. All of the things that these preachers and these Fox News women use their gender and uh they Christians signal and woman signal that you can't do these things. It's the devil. [ __ ] them. Okay. All right. We didn't ever get to Kylie today. Welcome to I've had it. America's top DEI podcast. I am very excited about our next guest because um the very first time I fell in love with her, she just read um evangelicals for filth. I mean, she read them for filth. It was this viral video where she's like, "If you want to believe all that [ __ ] in the Bible, swing for the

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Hi. Oh my god, you. Hi. How are you? I can't believe I'm here. I'm super excited. I'm doing really well. How are you ladies doing?

Great. Great. I'm so happy to have you. I was just telling our listener that I your viral video where you're just bashing Christians that like that's my love language, bashing religion. It was like I was

I loved it. Well, I mean, I didn't mean to bash Christians because I like I really do believe in people's right to, you know, practice their faith. And I was actually raised Christian, went to Sunday school every single Sunday growing up. But I do have a problem with people not really valuing the freedom to not be religious, right? So if your religion and your religious doctrine indicates that you have to behave a certain way, you have to avoid birth control, for instance, that's great. I respect your right to practice your religion, but you can't allow your religious doctrine to dictate the lives of everyone else. You know, that was the point that I was trying to make.

I agree. Yeah, I was raised like that, too. And it was I just you when you always assume you're right about everything,

then you don't understand why people criticize it. And that's where I was. It was like, well, why would you, you know, why would you disagree with me? That's God's will. And it's like, oh, there are people that don't believe that or believe differently, which like you said, I'm fine with just stay out of my uterus when you do it.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And I think like just just one more point about that. I mean, I I think everything is simplified in the political discourse in this country. So something like reproductive rights, I think uh half the country or at least the portion of the country that doesn't believe in reproductive rights, they've kind of simplified everything in terms of oh these are just women who are, you know, skanky and they're sleeping around and they just want abortion on demand and that's just not the case. So I just want Americans to kind of understand each other a little better rather than stereotype each other the way that we've been doing for many years now.

Um, but also I want to say that the religious right very much stereotypes freeth thinkers and critical thinkers in such a way and because they're doing it from the position of religion, they get more deference. They get more differential treatment than somebody like me who's an atheist is pretty much dismissed. But, okay, before we get into your grievances, I just want to head this off at the top of the podcast. So, we're new to this. You've been doing this independent news thing a long time. We're just a little over three years and we had Jenk on recently and then the comment section people were like, "Well, Jenk betrayed us, blah, blah, blah." I don't follow personality news. I follow the news news. But because our listeners follow you, uh, Jen, probably Hassan, you know, Don Limon, lots of just various crossovers.

Um, I was researching you and apparently the the the gist online is that you were progressive and you receded from some progressive positions during the campaign and now you recently issued an apology for that and I just want you to tell us and our listeners what that is just from your mouth directly.

Well, the apology was on something very specific. Um, I have moved away uh from the I guess you could refer to it as the progressive position on some social issues and I'll be specific about that in just a minute. But first, let me just address the apology. So Jenk and I had a debate prior to the election and uh I just felt that like using words like Nazi, which Jenk never did, but like Nazi, fascist, Nazi, fascist, like these words, much like the word anti-semitism means something. And when you overuse it, it loses its power. And I got my graduate degree in political science where you learn political theory, you learn about fascism, like the actual definition of fascism, what it means.

And at that point, the point I was trying to make to Jenk is Trump is not a person who's driven by ideology. Like he's not an ideologue, right? A fascist is an ideologue. He is an authoritarian. He has authoritarian tendencies. There's no question about that. But fascism is something very specific. Like identify what he actually is so you can address it appropriately. But then he gets elected and uh what he's carrying out right now through the use of ICE is fascism. So that was what I was apologizing for specifically in engaging in that debate. My point wasn't that I like Trump and I'm going to vote for Trump and Trump is not a threat at all.

I didn't vote for Trump. I've always been critical of him. And I do think that there's a faction on the far left that for whatever reason has like this weird interest in misrepresenting the point that I'm making. you know, those videos where they attack get a lot of views and um there's there's a financial component to it. But in terms of where I've actually changed a little bit um in my policy views, you know, I live in California and so I got to understand and see firsthand what some of these like far-left policies, social policies in particular, not economic policies, like how they've kind of hurt the very communities and neighborhoods that the left wants to help. So, for instance, when uh the Los Angeles Council voted to cut $150 million from the LAPD's budget, well, obviously they had to lay off uh sworn officers and, you know, police.

And what we ended up doing is spending a lot more money on policing because of the fact that you have the remaining police officers having to work overtime where they get paid a lot more uh in order to pick up the slack left by the officers who were laid off, right? And the call times uh are much longer if you're calling 911 looking for help or in some cases they won't even send police. They don't consider it enough of an emergency. Let's say you've been burglarized. it'll take hours for anyone to show up and gather evidence. So these things, you know, it's like through lived experience that you realize, okay, this policy didn't work out the way that we wanted. So why don't we just recalibrate? It doesn't mean that you go back to like, you know, draconian policies. It just means we've applied this policy. There are some flaws. Can we just tinker with it? Can we recalibrate? And leading up to the

election, as I'm sharing these ideas, you know, people are obviously experiencing a lot of tension, a lot of fear, and they don't want to hear anything negative about Democrats or left-wing policies. And so that kind of turned into, oh, you're betraying us. I'm not betraying you. I just see these policies firsthand and I want to improve them. Um, and everyone should want to do that. But alas, there's a lot of ego that plays into politics. So there's politics and policy. I think I'm more focused on policy as opposed to like the horse race and I've always run into issues because of that. So I think that's what's really going on here.

So you critically think through these things instead of just adopting what is the foregone conclusion that a person identifies as leftist. But for the record, you believe Trump and his regime to be fascist, authoritarian, autocratic,

tyrannical. No, I do. Yes. Etc. I mean, I I always I always identified Trump as authoritarian. I never I mean, the guy like tried to overturn the 2020 election. I'm not stupid. But again, the word fascism is something very specific. And what's being carried out right now through the use of ICE, uh the terrorizing of not just people who are here in, you know, undocumented status, the terrorism that's being carried out against American citizens. I mean, it's just abundantly clear. The retaliation against blue states and blue cities. Um, ICE, it's his version of the brown shirts in my perspective.

Do you think ICE needs to be abolished? Yes, I do. Um, you know, you might have convinced me earlier that reforms are good enough, but at this point, Trump has hired so many questionable agents, and I don't know how you fix that in the next administration. I think that you need to dismantle ICE and just build from the ground up because look, I I do believe that we have to enforce our laws. I just don't believe in dehumanizing people and I don't believe in violating human rights. This is where I think I always stayed cleareyed that and I respect your positioning on that, but I always stayed cleareyed about that Trump was a fascist because I listen to the people that work with him in Trump 1.0. These are neocons. These are conservative people that came out of that saying he said he wanted generals like Hitler's generals.

Mark Esper said he asked, "Can you shoot the protesters below the knee?" And then in leading up, they had that Madison Square Garden

Nazi rally. And I called it as such during the time um because I saw the overt nationalism and the um scapegoating of immigrants and during the RNC the mass deportations now which I'm so mystified that there were even Latinos for Trump that they thought somehow they were going to get a carveout. Um, and I remember them wanting to hang, wanting them to hang Mike Pence. And I always was pretty cleareyed on it. And I would even say to Pumps when we were podcasting as baby podcasters during the uh campaign that I suspect that they will have concentration camps. They are. And I think it's my experience living in Oklahoma versus you're living in California. I've lived around these Christian nationalists. I've lived around these fascism. I know how serious they are about this. Oklahoma has had MAGA Republicans before Trump ever came down the escalator. I know how diabolical and ambitious these people

are with it. I know that they will scapegoat any anybody. And I know that they will even betray the white Republican Christian men like Mike Pence that don't go along with it. So, I always think about right now people say, "Nobody's safe except for white men." And I'm like, Mike Mike Pence sure as [ __ ] wasn't safe. So, it even goes beyond that. But I want to get into something that I think is super important. Not covered by mainstream media. I'm going to ask you what you've had it with. I'm teeing this up perfectly. What have you had it with?

I have had it with so many things, but honestly um this week because it does change week by week. I have had it with uh the fact that our country has been governed and controlled by uh pedophiles or individuals who want to provide cover for pedophiles. Uh that's the reality that we're currently functioning under. And I've had it with the fact that despite all of the terrifying things that we've been learning through the latest Epstein file dump, um there's going to be like no prosecution for things like torture, right, for for rape of little girls. I mean, and also all the various people in this country, both in the media and in the Trump administration, who lied to all of us with a straight face about how there are no documents, there is no list, there are no Epstein files, there are no co-conspirators,

right? And we haven't even had access to all of the documents yet. The documents that we do have are heavily redacted, and there's another 3 million documents that the Trump administration's DOJ has no intention of releasing. So yeah, I've had it because how do you believe in our system, believe in our government, pay your taxes knowing that your money, your hard-earned money is going to a government that has been covering up for pedophiles or consists of pedophiles. Like that's what I've had it with.

Let's dive into the uh No [ __ ] And let's dive into the component of this, the Epstein files that is showing that Epstein and Gilain Maxwell were MSAD agents, that Epstein is providing blackmail information to Vladimir Putin. Um, that Peter Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein are celebrating Brexit and that it's revealed that Marie Le Pen is also funded by Russia. On top of the outrage of the child rape, which is horrible and should be screamed about at the top of our lungs, we have these [ __ ] dorks like Peter Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein and Elon Musk that want to be politicians, but they will never get elected. So, they're cheating.

The whole thing behind the child rape thing is these people want to cheat to take away the power from the people so that they can govern, but they don't have the balls to put their name on a ballot and go run for office. So, they cheat. And then they accuse the immigrants of cheating. And they accuse liberal women of cheating. And they accuse black people of cheating when they get jobs. And that [ __ ] pisses me off so much I can't even take it. I feel you. I mean, I totally agree with you. And in fact, you know, how are you going to talk about criminality among undocumented people when, again, the government is covering up for pedophiles and refuses to prosecute individuals who are implicated in some of the documents that we just had access to. It's insane.

It's absolutely insane. And um look, the more I think about it, the more angry I get about the lies told to us by our commerce secretary uh Lutnik, right? And also Elon Musk where they claim like, oh my god. I mean, Lutnik's interview about like me and my wife in 2005. We visited Epstein and you know, we saw the massage table in the middle of the room and we're like, we are never going to talk to you again. You are gross. Like the acting like you really laid it on thick. And then you find out he's emailing Epstein in 2012.

No, please spare me. Here's the thing. When I see it, what one of the things, and there are a lot of things, it's the lack of accountability. Like you see the New York Giants co-owner. Nothing's going to happen to him because there's only 32 people and 30, you know, 31 of them are white generational money men or, you know, thereabouts. Okay. Then you have like the commentator from uh the new Barry Wise contributor, you know, he's all in, you know, and she's running cover for him. Like none of these people are being held accountable. And that enrages me because these survivors has been held accountable since the day it happened. They have been held hostage by trauma and victimization. And it enrages me that all these rich, powerful men and the people that are covering for them will never face accountability. It makes me crazy.

I know. It makes me crazy, too. But let's not like lose the thread here because it's not just about generational wealth or the fact that these individuals implicated in the Epstein files are part of the elite. That's not the reason why there's no accountability. There's no accountability because all of our institutions have been occupied and controlled by Zionists. Like that's the reality of the situation. And that makes people uncomfortable, but it's the fact of the matter. I mean, what just happened with Ellison, you know, taking control of CBS and installing Barry Weiss, whose number one priority is what's best for Israel. Like, that's just one example of what's been happening. Tik Tok being purchased by Larry Summers, who is the single largest donor to the IDF. Uh the first thing that happened after that deal closed was uh they banned a Palestinian journalist who had a massive account on Tik Tok

informing people about what was going on on the ground in Gaza. So, it's not just about power and money. It's about what Jeffrey Epstein's objective was in trafficking underage girls, inviting all of these rich, powerful, connected people to his, you know, island or to his New York apartment, whatever it is. Why were there cameras everywhere? It was obviously a blackmail operation. We already have a problem in our political system where corruption is baked in, where you can literally buy our politicians like prostitutes. But every country, every lobby has the power to do that. What makes Israel different is that we seem to carry out what's in Israel's best interest to the detriment of the United States over and over and over and over again. Money and politics can't be the only thing that explains it. So, what does explain it? And to me, it's just so clear, especially with the evidence that we've seen in the latest

Epstein dump, that uh Epstein was working for MSAD, either as an asset or even as an agent. I don't know. But it's obvious he was working for MSAD in some capacity and this was a blackmail operation meant to help Israel control the US foreign policy to our detriment. Um I was just so disgusted over the weekend. So I'm always mad at Chuckles, Chuck Schumer. I call him Chuckles because it's just like not the man of the moment. It's just limp dick energy. you know, you know,

that he's not doing a good enough job because the right doesn't hate him. They hated Nancy Pelosi. And I didn't agree with Nancy Pelosi on everything, but she put up a resistance. She whipped votes and they hated her for it. She had power and she wielded it. Hakee and Chuckles are not doing that. They're not even The right isn't even remotely scared of them. And then there's this video of Chuck Chuckles sitting there talking about his number one goal is to make sure that Israel gets all the money they need. And so then I start digging into the data. 4% of the Democratic party support this 4%.

And so there I've been I've come through this big awakening. I've always been a diehard political junkie. But when you live in Oklahoma, you don't know what's going on in the Middle East. There's not a big Muslim population. There's not a big Jewish population. And that I'm speaking for tons of people in middle America. They don't know. You just buy the propaganda. Israel is the best democracy in the Middle East and they're our ally. And we go, "Okay, so good enough. I'm trying to get make sure abortion stays legal in Oklahoma and my gay friends don't get their marriage and all." That was the fight that I was doing. So then after Kamla lost, I'm like, "How the [ __ ] do we keep losing to this guy?" So then I'm like waiting on the resistance right at the end of the year, beginning of this year.

Where are they? And then you start digging into it and they're like paid control controlled opposition and the betrayal that I felt. I'm embarrassed to admit it that I was 50 years old when I figured it out, but I'm just going to make myself vulnerable and admit it because I'm a curious person. And um it's really devastating to find out like Cy Booker, uh Hakee Jeff, Chuckle Schumer, and others that are supposed to fight for us that talk about universal human rights, but it doesn't

in United States, but it doesn't apply to Palestinians. And that's just a really big big red flag for me when people carve out a group. And it seems like in the United States they carve out Palestinians. Everybody has rights except for them. And I just think that's such [ __ ]

Well, let me just comment on what you said about realizing things later in life and how embarrassed you are. Please don't feel embarrassed. In fact,

I'm not that embarrassed. Okay, good. Good. Because you shouldn't be. And in fact, to me, it's a sign of intellectual strength and intelligence because because you're open-minded enough and and self-reflected, self-reflective enough to understand like, okay, I don't get everything right, so let me learn more and let me recalibrate based on new information. Not a lot of people do that. And I actually think the country would be in a better place if we were a little more open-minded. you know, put ego aside, but more importantly, this is the most important thing. Just make room for people to admit, I was wrong. I'm sorry, right? Like, like take the apology and don't demonize them. Don't give people um a disincentive to change or to evolve. Anyway, but to your point about the Democrats, I was blackpilled on the Democratic party earlier than you were. And honestly during I remember when Biden

won, Biden wasn't my preferred candidate for the Democrats, but whatever. I was just very relieved to see Trump gone. And that happiness was short-lived because immediately the debates over the uh infrastructure bill began, build back better. And when I saw the behavior of the majority of Democrats in Congress and how they would run on issues like paid family leave, they would pretend as though they understand, care about, and want to solve the economic frustrations of Americans. Then they turn around and they do everything they can to defeat the most popular provisions in Biden's bill. And you know what Biden did? He not only allowed it to happen, he aided and emedded it. So, when you have uh a conservative Democrat like, and by the way, one of the most corrupt Democrats uh Joe Mansion from West Virginia, who luckily is not in the Senate anymore, or Kirstston Cinema from Arizona, who luckily isn't in the Senate anymore.

When you have them fighting against uh increasing the federal minimum wage, uh defeating paid family leave, when you see them working on behalf of corporate donors as opposed to the American people who they purported to want to represent, Yeah. It infuriated me. So that was the beginning of my Democrat black pill moment. Seeing what happened in Gaza under Biden's watch just it did it for me. You know, I'm Armenian. Armenians uh went through a genocide of their own in 1915. 1.5 million Armenians slaughtered at the hands of the Turks. And no one came to help Armenians. The idea that I'm gonna like sit back and just celebrate the Democrats, celebrate the Biden administration after what I saw get carried out with the help of Biden.

There's no way. There's no way. I was excited about him stepping down from the race. I know Kla Harris had a huge hill to climb, but once I saw that she was like vicious toward pro peace protesters, I was like, "This woman's going to lose and she deserves it if she doesn't change course." And she didn't change course and she lost. And in the meantime, you have Trump pretending like he's the peace candidate,

right? So, think about that juxaposition and what it communicates to voters. And think about this juxtaposition. Before you even get to the rotating villain strategy that you're talking about with Cinema, before you even get to that, Democrats play a totally different game. After January 6, the most important presidential appointment of our lifetimes, the three of us here, was who is going to be attorney general. and he picked Merritt Garland because uh um Mitch McConnell [ __ ] over Merritt Garland under Biden with the Supreme Court pick and he played integrity politics and Merrick Garland sat on this [ __ ] When I think about that number one, he only charged the poor people, the lowincome cultists that somebody financed to get to DC. He only charged those people with felonies and Trump of course pardoned him. He didn't go after the big money. We have a Supreme Court justice's wife that was

involved in the planning of this. It has since been revealed that Donald Trump himself paid $3 million. So the Democrats have no leverage with me saying that we go after the elite the elites. Uh the the law applies to everybody equally. The Democrats curry favor with wealthy people every bit as much. You can look at the prosecution and investigations into January 6th that should have been wrapped up. We should not all be sitting here talking about this right now and it's because of Joe Biden and Meritt Garland. Furthermore, uh they had the Epstein files for four years and they didn't take it seriously.

I took it very seriously after January 6. I took it very seriously when Mitch McConnell refused to impeach him and then a month later Kevin McCarthy went and kissed the ring and Fox News started going well as a desktop. They were tourists. I took it very seriously and I believed that Donald Trump and at least maybe not him personally but the movement at large were it was a fascist movement and I was very cleareyed about that. And if I'm if I'm a part of a political party that doesn't say, you know what, we're gonna have to get our hands dirty a little bit and we're gonna release all this [ __ ] and I don't care if they accuse us of being partisan because these people are diabolical and I care more about this country and the safety and well-being of its citizens than the appearances. and Joe Biden and Merritt Garland cared exclusively about appearances andor their special interests with God only knows what

corporations and packs but that to me the Democrats inability to fight before you even get to the rotating villain strategy and probably they go hand in hand really irritates me.

Right. I mean, whenever someone on the right would make the argument or counterargument about how like, oh, well, you're getting on Trump's ass about how he's uh not releasing all the files, but what about Biden? What about Biden? What about the Democrats? You know, I would condemn the Democrats, too. They should have released the files. But I would also make the point that like this is not a partisan thing. There are people on the left implicated. I mean, Larry Summers obviously was uh uh working for the Clinton administration. He's a longtime Democrat. He's implicated in the files.

Like there are people who have been lifelong Democrats implicated. So it's not a partisan thing. I thought that Biden didn't release the files because maybe his name was in it. Maybe he's implicated. But no, it turns out he's not imp like at least from what we've seen so far. So who was he protecting? Why didn't he release the files? Especially knowing all the various political opponents who are implicated in it. That's what I think the through line is from the lack of prosecutions in January 6 to the Epstein. There is a ruling class that have bank accounts that can choke a bull that are able to do things with impunity regardless of who controls the executive branch in the DOJ. And we see that under Democratic politicians and we see it under Republican politicians, which I want to talk to you next. My next curiosity about you is I see you collab with Tucker Carlson a lot and so I want you

to tell me about that because Tucker to me is a very dangerous person um because he speaks to a lot of people in middle America that um have extreme homophobia, extreme transphobia. And I have so many gay friends in Oklahoma that are bullied by their churches, their families, their governments. And he recently was saying like f a g multiple times. And he is cleareyed on Israel, but I feel like that his position on Israel is also wrapped in my this is my opinion, in some anti-semitism the same way his homophobia is. And I wanted to get your take on that.

I don't think he's anti-semitic. I I don't at all actually. In fact, um he he has even in the past like supported Zionism. Um but I think once he realizes how detrimental the US alliance with Israel really is, he's kind of moved off of supporting Israel in the same way that he has in the past. I really don't think he's anti-Semitic. Uh I think you raise a valid point about his views on um you know, gay people. I I definitely do agree with you on that and I disagree with him. I have a completely different view when it comes to gay people, gay rights, gay marriage and all of that.

Um, but in regard to the anti-Semitic question, I don't think he's anti-Semitic at all. In fact, he's pretty well read on the issues that hurt us due to our relationship with an alliance with Israel. Um, and he articulates that regularly. Um, and by the way, I mean, he had asked me to go on his show, his podcast, a year and a half in advance of me finally agreeing to do it. And part of the reason why I wouldn't do it initially is because I just thought there's like nothing there's no redeeming quality about this guy. There's no use in having a conversation with him. But his producers were so persistent that I finally decided, okay, fine. I'll just I'll listen to his podcast. I'll make an informed decision and see if there's maybe a possibility that I'll I'll do this interview. And I do think he gets taken out of context a lot. He's definitely deeply conservative. I'm not.

So obviously we're going to have disagreements. But look ladies, like to me the most important thing right now is to um free the United States from Israel. And if there are people on the right who agree with me on that, I am willing to work with them on that issue. uh to build a coalition for that specific issue and apply pressure to u get our politicians to act in the way that we demand. Otherwise, if you do everything through the prism of partisan politics, uh we will be exactly where we are today. Uh which is nowhere, no progress, no nothing. I've been doing this for 20 years and that's been my experience.

I am cautious about the Marjorie Taylor Greens and the Tucker Carlson's because they say that they care about Palestinian lives and these Palestinians getting killed. Marjorie Taylor Green um speaks about Palestinian Christians. That's her carve out. But when you don't have that same empathy towards the queer kid that lives in rural America or the uh trans population, which is less than 1% that really doesn't even want to be spoken about at all. They don't want to be in political discourse and the immigrant population in the United States. And you make a carveout. I I always think it's a real red flag. And I think there's a danger in both of their voices because I know when they speak and they say uh negative things about Israel at the exact same podcast, they're bashing gay people. They're bashing immigrants because I lived in red state America. It falls in the ears of people that are wholly bigoted. That

their ethos is white supremacy and bigotry. And that's why I see them as kind of being dangerous messengers.

I agree. I don't think it's a big deal that you sat down with Tucker Carlson and y'all aired [ __ ] out. I don't think that's that big of a deal at all. I'm worried about the incubation. If you think about George W. Bush incubated Trump and when I think about what is Trump incubating and I see Tucker Carlson in these clips

talk being critical of Trump and then I see this whole Venezuela oil thing and he's standing there clapping like a seal,

right? taken pictures with Trump and I see the duplicity and the hypocrisy. So, I don't I don't trust his the intentions of his messaging on Israel as much as I would somebody else who who preaches universal human rights, who doesn't prioritize one group over the other, who would who will say, "I don't understand trans people. I don't get it. It's not my thing, but it's not my business, and I'll fight for their right." Just like you said about Christianity in that viral clip. Yeah, I mean look, I would agree with you had Marjgerie Taylor Green and Tucker Carlson for that matter not revisited their previous statements about let's say Muslim people and uh made very clear that they were wrong. Uh in the case of Marjgery Taylor Green and Candace Owens, by the way, um they have talked about this at length where they're like, "We realize that we were totally misled and uh we bought into the fear-mongering about Muslim people."

Right? So, like in the case of Tucker Carlson, something that I was kind of shocked to see if honestly after Renee Good was shot and killed by ICE, he put out a newsletter kind of condemning the right for making light of it or even in some cases celebrating it. And he basically said like this is a human life and what happened is not okay. And and so to me, it's those moments where he's willing to kind of buck his own side, for lack of a better word, and he really gets nothing out of it. I mean, he doesn't get any influence uh in terms of the Trump administration by condemning Trump's foreign policy. And in regard to him being in the room, I mean, look, I I agree it's not a good look, especially when you're clapping after you did a lengthy segment condemning what the White House did in Venezuela. But at the same time, I know that he probably wants to influence Trump in the right direction on foreign policy, and you're

not going to be able to influence him unless you're in the room. So, um, you know, I'm speculating about his intentions there, but I hear what you're saying about wanting to be cautious. I also want to make space for people who change their minds, right? And so, if they come out and say, "I was wrong. I'm sorry. I've changed my mind on this." Whether it be on Muslim people or any other issue, I want to allow space for them. um to be forgiven and to prove that they're not just talking the talk, they're walking the walk.

I think that it's the inverse of that. I think he lies to his audience and then colludes with the powers that be at large. I think he, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Green are looking, how do we keep this cult together? This America first thing. And it's opportunistic for them to say, "Look, this has not been America first. It's 40 billion to Argentina. It's a blank check to Israel." And that keeps they're playing on the bases most racist impulses. And I just I think that he proves himself to not be a credible messenger a lot.

I mean, I'm against giving Argentina a bailout. That I don't think that's racist. Yeah. You think you think he's motivated by racism for being against the bailout for Argentina?

Not for that issue. Not for that single issue. I think we should all I think that's a perfectly reasonable thing. That was a gift Scott Bessant gave to somebody. You know, that was a total shakeddown that these people do. I think Tucker Carlson, my opinion is he is abundantly aware that the base, the connective tissue in the base is racism. Do you hate trans people? Do you hate gay people? Do you hate immigrants and Jews? And in evangelical America in flyover states, they are deeply anti-Semitic. Their apocalyptic dream in order for the rapture to come is for the Jews to be in Israel so that Jesus can then come and send them all to hell forever to be tortured. And the anti-semitism that I've heard all of my life came from white evangelical Republican Christians, Jew down and you know these Sidi Jews. And I think Tucker Carlson being a lifelong Republican understands the base and understands the

cult. And I'm very skeptical when people speak out for one group of people and then the very next episode he doesn't have the the critical thinking skills or the balls to stand up for people in his own country. It's supposed to be a free country. He doesn't have the balls to stand up to the most marginalized group among us which are trans people. And it's just I think it's just such chicken [ __ ] how both parties just pick them up, use them, throw them under the bus instead of saying we believe in equality. We believe in affordability.

We believe in the First Amendment for everybody. Even people you don't understand and you think they're light in the loafers and weird. Get over it. It's not your business. It's a free country. In the 80s when I grew up, that was said all the time. But now after gay marriage, the religious right has to keep, you know, hitting the the volume in the crackpipe more and more and more. And I think Tucker is acutely aware of that. Yeah. Look, I think that um so you're talking about dispensationalism when you're referring to the evangelicals who, you know, have this relationship with Israel, not because they care about Jewish people, but because uh you know, it's going to be the second coming of of God and, you know, all of that stuff, whatever. He's actually pretty vocal against that. And I don't think he's helping to keep a coalition together. In fact, I think he's being blamed probably accurately for

breaking MAGA up to some extent because he's been so critical of Trump and the foreign policy. So, I look, we're going to, I guess, disagree in terms of like what Tucker actually believes. I agree with you that Tucker was certainly like that when he was at Fox, but since then, he's changed his mind on a lot of policies. He brings it up all the time. He shares his remorse for believing certain things that he believed. But with that said, he still has beliefs that I uh disagree with vehemently, including um his he's he's against reproductive rights. Uh he is against gay marriage. These are things that I support. So, uh, we have those disagreements, but I I think it is important to work together when it comes to one of the biggest issues that's hurting Americans right now, and that's US foreign policy that doesn't actually benefit Americans. It's about benefiting weapons contractors, private military

contractors, and foreign countries. Okay, I want to ask you pivoting just a little bit. What is your level of confidence slash alarm in the upcoming midterms when we have Tulsi Gabbard in Georgia seizing ballots? What are your concerns? What are what are you thinking? What is your uh level of concern on that? And then what do you think is going to be happening in that regard?

I I have no idea what's going to happen, so I'm not going to predict, but I'm very concerned. I mean, uh, raiding the election facility in Georgia, in Fulton County, Georgia. Very concerning. Uh, the fact that Tulsi Gabbard has succeeded in, I guess, uh, halting or hindering some sort of, uh, whistleblower report that even Congress can't get access to. That really worries me. Like, Tulsi Gabbard has been very sus from the very beginning. And in fact, my first round of the left coming for me and coming for me real hard was when I had looked into Gabbard's record very deeply. This is when she uh was running in the Democratic primary in 2020 and I had found some things that were, you know, cause for concern. So I I raised those issues and the left was so convinced that she was this hardcore fighter, this real progressive that they attacked me instead as someone who's trying to destroy progressives, destroy

this wonderful candidate who's actually anti-war and all this, you know, sorry to curse, but all this [ __ ] that we heard about Tulsi Gabbard in the earlier years. But anyway, um she's part of a cult, number one, and uh that has been written about by The Intercept. People should look into it. Uh and she is she isn't who she has claimed to be. And as you can tell, she shapeshifts depending on what's beneficial for her. So, do I think that she would violate our election laws or the rights of Americans for her own benefit? Yeah, I do think she would do that. So, I am very concerned uh of about of about what the administration is doing in regard to elections and also very concerned about Tulsi Galbbert's role in all of this.

Do you think as we move towards the midterm and we're talking about let's say we have a blue tsunami, do you think that this administration will honor that or do you think it's going to be like I'm worried it's going to be January 6 all over again like stop the steel, they're lying, look at what they do, all of that. Do you have do you think that they'll accept a defeat in the midterms or do you think we're just going to start over again with the other stuff?

There might be some congressional races that they try to do that with, but I think it's look what Trump did in 2020 was I wouldn't say it was easier to do, but it is kind of easier to do because it's about one election, right? It's about the general election for president that he's trying to overturn for his own purposes. To be honest with you ladies, I don't think Trump really gives a damn about anyone but himself. So, do I think that he's going to participate in this effort to overturn congressional races on behalf of Republican candidates?

Maybe. Maybe. But is it going to have the same zeal as he had for himself in 2020? I think that's unlikely. Um, I'm less concerned about the midterms, more concerned about the next presidential election because he's already talking about, you know, nationalizing elections, meaning having the federal government determine what state and local election laws are, which is something Republicans pretended to be against not too long ago. Now you have Trump advocating for it even though it's against our Constitution. In linking Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard, I find both of their um submissive apologetic nature towards Vladimir Putin, a war criminal, kidnaps Ukrainian children, um you know, an egregious human rights violator, killed Alex Nali, political opponents. I found find both the link between those two. I find that incredibly alarming as well.

Yeah. I mean, Putin's terrible. I I I don't I don't want to go to war with Russia, don't get me wrong, but I also uh see Putin for who and what he is for sure. I mean, he's a guy who, by the way, had made security guarantees to Armenia and uh proceeded to reneg on those security guarantees as Azerban invaded Armenia and continues to occupy a portion of it. Um he's not someone that I trust. He's not someone who uh obviously is uh driven by morals considering the fact that he invaded a sovereign country and uh continues to do so. So yeah, I mean I I I agree with you that you know Vladimir Putin shouldn't be in any way, you know, his reputation should not be laundered.

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Had it. had it. I hit it every day. Sometimes twice a day. All right. Had it or hit it. Melania the documentary.

I mean, I haven't had it or hid it. I just think it's hilarious. I I laugh at it.

What about the director being like photographed all through the Epstein files? I mean, the the sexual abuse culture of MAGA is so pervasive that even the director of the documentary is in the Epstein files.

Yeah. Brett Ratner, I believe his name is, and he was uh implicated in 2017 uh was it no 2018 in the Me Too allegations. Olivia Mun, by the way, was one of the actresses who had made some allegations against him. And um he really wanted to make it big again. He wanted to direct movies again. So what I what I just kind of love about this whole story is the fact that he thought the Melania movie was going to be his in, you know, and like look, I knew it was going to be a super boring movie. They advertised it as some sort of like oo behindthescenes. Look, it's a real tell all, but Melania is notoriously private and also notoriously dull. I mean, how interesting can this woman be?

Like, okay, she was a model, then she married this like grotesque man for money. The whole film, from what I hear, and I've I've watched a bunch of reviews, is just her talking about fashion and getting in and out of cars to go to events.

Here's the thing. I would have gone to see it if she was talking about in the new Epstein dump that Trump in um that Epstein introduced her to Trump. Now, that would be interesting to me, but we didn't talk about that.

Well, she doesn't talk about much. That's the thing. Like, she's never going to reveal anything juicy, you know? That's just not going to happen. That's not who she is. And uh Ratner deserves the scorn that he's dealing with now, especially with all those photos coming out in the Epstein files. All right. Had it or hit it, Zoron Mandani?

Hit it hard. Real hard. Okay, let me just say Zoron Mdani, I mean, look, he's charismatic. He's obviously a leader, someone who's willing to think outside the box. We'll see how his uh policies impact, you know, the city. But aside from that, what I love about him, and we covered this on the show on the Young Turks just last week, um, he was asked during a press conference, uh, do you agree with continuing to divest, uh, you know, the pensions from the state of Israel? And he's like, yeah, yeah, I agree. We're going to continue doing that. No apologies, you know, no further elaboration. It's unnecessary. No, this is what we're doing and we're going to move on now.

And I just really adore that level of strength. I really do among a Democrat. I recently moved to New York after my lifelong um struggle in the Bible belt as a progressive atheist raised by atheist parents. It's a really bizarre upbringing. So, my youngest child graduated from high school, he's in school in LA and um I moved up here and then I you know, of course, I followed the mayor and like we had this huge snowstorm and he's such a brilliant politician because he does what Biden didn't do. He's governing and advertising about it. And that's just where we've moved with smartphones.

Trump understands this. Trump wrecks and then advertises about his wreckage, lies, propagandizes. But Zoron it when the snowstorm was coming, he was like, "Hello, New Yorkers. I've got all my trucks here and we're going to push the snow." And it was this sleekly produced like 60-second reel. And it's like it's a reminder. It's the proper propaganda, if you will, that government and your taxpayers work for you. He's very simply reminding New Yorkers that you pay taxes here and this is what we're doing. And the Democratic Party has lost that reminding

the voters the government is not your enemy. We are providing public safety. The um and consumer protections. The Republicans call those regulations and then you get cancer clusters. They forget to remind people that what they're doing is helpful and earnest. Yes. Yes. But more importantly, okay, just bear with me as I explain this. And I just want people to understand, I am not coming from a bad place. I'm just trying to explain why in the last general election, if you look at various blue districts, higher and higher percentages of people who are lifelong Democrats ended up flipping sides and voting Republican. This is why on a local level, what people experience really does matter, right? Because it gives them a sense of what leadership looks like on a national level. So, I think a lot of people turned away from the Democratic party in the last election because if you look at some of

these metropolitan areas, these uh, you know, cities, they have not been, you know, governed well by local Democrats. And I'm not making that up. I'll give you a specific example. In the case of Los Angeles, we have the largest homeless population of any other part of this country, right? These people need to get off the streets. They need to be placed either like in in the appropriate facilities. By the way, some people housing is the answer. Other people they need more help. They might have severe mental health issues. They might have severe drug addiction issues. You have to cater to what is causing homelessness for these specific people. Right? That's the point I want to make. Well, under the leadership of Karen Bass, who's by the way now under a federal audit, and it started under the Biden administration. This is not a politically motivated thing. The audit exists because so much of the money that

the well like the kind-hearted people in our city voted in favor of raising their own taxes to provide more resources, more revenue to uh state and local government so they can actually provide help for the homeless people, right? Um I've been doing investigative reporting about where that money actually went. Perfect example, lots of these, you know, nonprofits that are scams. One of these nonprofits, their whole purpose was to just provide a parking lot, space in a parking lot for people to place their tents, but each space needed to have like a little platform. Uh the city finally got pressured to go visit and see what's going on in this parking lot.

And uh they were supposed to provide 88 spaces for a whopping $2.3 million a year, which sounds like a lot of money for just providing a little space for someone to pitch a tent. um they weren't even operating at capacity. Uh most of the spaces weren't even usable. They didn't have the platform built, nothing. Uh and they weren't carrying out what they were contractually supposed to carry out. Besides which, why are we paying nonprofits to let people pitch a tent outside? Aren't we trying to help people get off the streets? Aren't we supposed to get people inside? Like so when people see local government malfunctioning like this, they get ideas in their head about what Democrats are like nationally. And I think that's what kind of led to some of, you know, the election results in the uh last election. When you see someone like Zoron Mandani reminding people that public service isn't just about what's

flashy, it's about it's about the mundane in a lot of cases. It's about fixing the potholes. It's about responding appropriately to fire conditions or a snowstorm. Like these local issues matter and the way Democrats govern locally matters even on a national level because if you see shitty leadership on a local level, you're going to think the same of Democrats on a federal level. I wish as a woman that lived in a red state for 50 years, I wish that this applied to the Republican base because in our state of Oklahoma, they see how shitty red state politics are and they triple quadruple down because the Republican party has infused religion into it so much that when I was growing up, I would pass these mega churches and it would say, "Vote for George W. Bush today. Jesus wants you to vote for Bush.

Very in mesh. Our state in 2010, 2011 had a Democratic governor. And we were ranked um no way I think it was earlier than that, maybe 2007. Brad Henry was his name. We were ranked 17th in education. Since that time, uh Fox News keeps, you know, building up. We've had a Republican super majority. Republicans in the House, Senate, governorship, and the state supreme court. We're 50th in education. Republican policies. And I agree that in Los Angeles that if if they are not vetting these places that are supposed to that pay taxpayer money, that's a huge problem that deserves to be audited. I concede that. Our governor in the state of Oklahoma, Kevin Stit, whom I refer to as Kevin Limpick. Kevin Limpick dedicated every square inch of the state to Jesus Christ when he won his second term. He banned abortion. He has banned all trans care. And a lot of people like to pile on on that issue, but I have friends that have a trans

child. And it is a very painful, difficult thing for parents to go through. Nobody in their right [ __ ] mind wakes up and says, "I want to [ __ ] with conservative Christians today and I want to be trans." That doesn't [ __ ] happen because conservative Christians are mean and judgmental and it is torture and pain. And Kevin has piled on to that bullying and that abuse to where now these families, if they can afford it, are having to go to sanctuary states where they can make sure their child has therapy. And again, this is such a small small portion of people. Um, but more importantly, Kevin Stit spoke recently about the homeless population in the most dehumanizing, cruel, demoralizing way imaginable that the state was not going to do jack [ __ ] about it. Mind you, this is a big Jesus guy, right? Big Jesus guy. Will not shut the [ __ ] up about his religion. And I had like the Ten Commandments put on the

Capitol ground, Ten Commandments in schools, Bibles in schools, just really weird [ __ ] And how effortlessly he speaks about dehumanizing homeless people and the cruelty of it. I welcome the problems of a blue state, even with the audit, that at least somebody gives a [ __ ] at least somebody tried. And maybe hopefully the city of Los Angeles will start to figure out and apply pressure to our national politicians. The number one cause of homelessness is poverty. We are the richest state in the world that hasn't raised the minimum wage in I don't know how long, couple of decades and we don't even provide health care for people. So it's easy from your lens to look at blue state and and every party has problems when they govern and then from my on the opposite end these red state this red state just the dehumanization of people the micromanaging of genitals sex lives bedrooms etc. And so I I it's

interesting to have this conversation with you because you you've been footed in LA and I've been footed until recently in

Oklahoma. So it's interesting to hear you know my default setting complaints with red states and then I hear you about mismanagement with taxpayer funds and that's that's it's really unacceptable.

Yeah. I mean look I just think that there's a lot of rot in both parties right now. I think one party is more dangerous than the other when it comes to civil liberties and our constitutional rights. There's no question about that. Um, so it's part of the reason why, you know, in election after election, it's pick the lesser of two evils. But I want to break out of that. I really want to break out of that. I want to break out of this like oh god. You know you have the establishment Democrats, you have the DNC essentially manipulating the most important part of the election process which is the primaries. The primaries is where you get to decide who best represents you and what you want to see happen in this country. And you know, it became very clear to me, and I think most Democratic voters who were paying attention, that the DNC has no interest in allowing a real democratic process to play out because in now several

primaries, we've had them manipulate the process to the detriment of Democratic voters who, you know, want to say over who their preferred candidate is. So, I I think that Bernie could have won in 2016. I think the polling indicated that that was the case. A lot of people who wanted Bernie for uh the Democratic nominee switched over and unfortunately voted for Trump. That is true. Uh but rather than maybe learn a lesson from that, the DNC decided to use that and weaponize that to, you know, demonize, you know, the progressive left. So, I don't really have a lot of hope with the Democratic establishment. They're never going to change. They're never going to learn. They're gonna keep trying to install meymouth losers like Hakeem Jeff or, you know, Chuck Schumer. We need real leadership.

And we need people like Mom Donnie who have a clear vision and are willing to fight for that vision, who aren't meymouthed and um, you know, just have that energy and that charisma that we need in the party.

Okay, the last one. Had it or hit it, the United States of America. Hit it. I still love this country. I believe in it. I more than anything, I believe in the people of this country, even people who vote differently from me. I just I I think that we have to work hard to have conversations that are uncomfortable. And I'm specifically talking about voters, but when it comes to people in positions of power, I've had it. And uh it's time to hit at them real hard and be unapologetic about it.

I think you're cool. You believe in [ __ ] You talk about it. To all the listeners that want to dive in about critiquing and grading the progressive nature of people, this space, this podcasting space is a space for us to share ideas and disagreements and most importantly our shared visions which there are a lot more of than they're not. And so, thank you for coming on and I really enjoyed you so much.

Yes, I love your show. Thank you so much for having me, ladies. I really appreciate it.

All right. She's cool. She's cool and she's smart. And you know what I kept thinking about her the whole time is she has conviction which you have to bang that drum all the time because you're right because if you don't feel it you you know ship shape shifter mey mouth. When she said meie mouth I was like it's been a while since I've heard that. But when you mey mouth around you got to have conviction. And whether you agree with her or disagree with her she has conviction. And that's what we all should have, I think.

Yeah. Um I just I think it's interesting. I disagree with her about Tucker Carlson a million%.

Right. But we were able to have a very civil conversation about that. Um, I think Tucker Carlson is hoodwinking people and um, I think he has ambitions to run for president and I think his driving force behind a lot of stuff is um, he understands the racism of the base and I do think he's really sympathetic to Vladimir Putin and I think that's just a real red flag. All right, we'll see you guys next Tuesday and Thursday. I'll tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that.

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