Japan's fat shaming vs America's victim culture

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Ono Dakimi
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Dartmouth College
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Dr. Ken Barry
4. 12:00 – 15:00: Element

Notable quotes from "Japan's fat shaming vs America's victim culture"

• The law. She was doing underage drinking. And by the way, economic security minister Ono Dakimi is half Japanese. This famous newscaster is half Japanese. These male…

  about Ono Dakimi · at 2:40

• In 2022, I talked with Dr. Ken Barry about how American people are so sensitive to accidentally fat shaming others that even some doctors were afraid to tell their patients that their.

  about Dr. Ken Barry · at 7:46

• Single morning like most people here in Japan do. What I do is have a glass of element. I found that element helps curb my appetite and helps me avoid snacks I don't need…

  about Element · at 14:20

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Ono Dakimi — Person · 1 mention · first at 2:43
• Dr. Ken Barry — Person · 1 mention · first at 7:46

Companies & orgs

• Dartmouth College — Company · 1 mention · first at 3:06
  Alleged hatred of fat people, let's look at a study on prejudice. They did this experiment at Dartmouth College where they give participants a huge realistic scar using special…

Products & tech

• Element — Product · 2 mentions · first at 14:24

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Did you know it's actually illegal to be fat in Japan? Millions, of, dollars, in, penalties, will, be assessed unless companies can get employees to slim down.

0:09 And, if, he, doesn't, lose, weight,, his company faces massive fines. Where, being, too, fat, is, against, the, law. Illegal to be fat.

0:17 That's, what, American, news, and, the internet says. He, will, get, fired, in, Japan, for, being fat.

0:21 The, government, introduced, a, fat, tax., A law that if your employees waist are too big, your company gets fined.

0:27 Is, your, job?, This, one's, got, almost, a million views. Being, fat, is, illegal, in, Japan., You can actually get taxed for being fat.

0:34 So,, is, that, actually, true?, And, is, the real reason people stay thin here because they're fat shamed all the time?

0:39 And, is, it, why, one, out, of, five, Japanese women are actually underweight? There were tons of comments on fat shaming on my videos about why Japan isn't fat. One of the top comments for a while with 5,000 likes said that social pressure is the biggest reason people are thin here. The standards of what's fat are very different between Japan and the US. This is a plus-size model in America. This is one from Japan. We need to dive into this and whether America's victim culture is affecting Japan.

1:10 Long, story, short,, no., It's, not, illegal to be fat in Japan. There is no governmentmandated waistline and companies do not get fined for having too many fat employees. This misconception mainly came from too many American news outlets. misinterpreting the 2008 metabolo law.

1:25 Yes,, per, article, 66, of, the, industrial safety and health act, Japanese companies are required to provide an annual health checkup to their employees. This is meant to be a service to the employees to encourage health not to police fat people. So no, if the annual health checkup finds that too many employees are fat, nothing happens. The company doesn't get fined. The only way the company can get fined is if they don't provide the annual health checkup. It's all about participation rates. What some people might find odd is that the health checkup is technically mandatory.

1:54 If the employees refuse themselves to do the health checkup, the company can get fined. So, the company is usually going to beounding their employees to make sure they get it done. So, if you're staying up too late and drinking too often and eating a ton of crunky chocolate, the worst thing that's going to happen if your annual health checkup finds you're really fat and unhealthy is that the doctor is going to tell you you've gotten fat and you need to lose weight because it's unhealthy. Even if you are fat, as long as you do the health checkup, you won't have any problems. So, how did a rumor like this get so big despite being so wrong? Well it's because, of course, outrage sells.

2:27 Some small Twitter or ex user got 600,000 views on a post claiming a Japanese actress was fired from a TV show for being mixed race and that Japan hates mixed race people. Except the real reason she was fired was for breaking the law. She was doing underage drinking. And by the way, economic security minister Ono Dakimi is half Japanese. This famous newscaster is half Japanese. These male celebrities are all half Japanese. And these female celebrities are all half Japanese.

2:55 Japan,, hates, fat, people., Japan hates fat people. Japan, hates, fat, people.

2:58 Japan, hates, fat, people. Now,, to, get, some, perspective, on, Japan's alleged hatred of fat people, let's look at a study on prejudice. They did this experiment at Dartmouth College where they give participants a huge realistic scar using special effects makeup. They told the participants in the experiment that they're going to have a discussion with a number of people after they had this scar applied to their face. They asked them to pay attention to whether the people they were talking to were judging them because of their scar. So they had the discussion and filled out a questionnaire about prejudice during the interaction. They reported that they thought they were indeed being discriminated against. They said that because of their scar, the people they were talking to were much more tense preferred to be more distanced from them, were less attracted to them, liked them a little less, and they thought

3:44 they patronized them much more. But here's the catch. Before they went out to have that discussion, the experimenters told them that the special effects scar makeup needed to be moisturized because it would dry out. Without the participant realizing it they had actually completely removed the prosthetic makeup instead of moisturizing it. So the participants thought they had a scar, but in reality it was totally gone. Moral of the story they felt like they were being discriminated against simply because they mistakenly assumed that people had a reason to discriminate against them.

4:16 They found discrimination because they were looking for signs of discrimination. So if you come to Japan after seeing all these online rumors and these videos saying Japan hates fat people and you happen to be fatter than Japanese people, you're likely going to be self-conscious. even if in reality no one is actually doing something like pointing at you or making comments about you. Having lived in Japan for 15 years what I've noticed is that people from English-speaking countries are much more dramatic with their word choice. I'm not saying there's zero fat shaming in Japan, but it's really rare that you can actually call something shaming. What there is a lot of is weight commenting.

4:50 Hey,, did, you, gain, some, weight? Yeah,, a, little, bit., Oh,, you, gain, weight or you got to lose weight. That's so normal.

4:56 And, then, no, one's, going, to, take offended. But it's really normal in Japan to say, "Oh, you got fat." Or like, "You got skinny."

5:02 Is, it, like, a, passive, aggressive, comment? I'd, say, it's, neutral. I, happen, to, agree, with, this, commenter. Japanese people are much slower to offend or take offense. This is true having lived in both America and Japan for over a decade. American people are a lot more likely to find things to take offense at. I can't recall ever seeing a poster like this before 2025, but they seem to be trying to bring this American concept of microaggressions to Japan. The poster says that even without bad intentions you may comments known as microaggression.

5:35 Microaggressions that hurt people's feelings. For example, that's a pretty good idea for someone who just joined the company. Or you're half Japanese I'm jealous. Or your Japanese is really good for an expat. In Japanese, this kind of policing people's words is called or word hunting. In the new segment on the poster, they introduced several brand new words like micro assault, micro insult, micro invalidation, which are all apparently different types of microaggression. They featured a non-binary person who they introduced as a victim of microaggressions.

6:25 They also talked about a woman who said that in her workplace when she announced that she became pregnant, no one even said congratulations to her for fear of that somehow being interpreted badly. Another man pointed out how some managers are afraid to make even generally positive comments towards women as they might be taken the wrong way. [snorts] But there was something I don't think anyone really picked up on. It was specifically highlighted that the non-binary person Yudi suffered from her co-workers talking to her as if she's a woman. However, later in the segment the HR compliance expert who was there to explain to everyone what a microaggression is and how to avoid them referred to non-binary Yudi as a woman.

7:27 I point that out because not even the well-meaning microaggression expert can stay vigilant enough to keep up with all the things you can and can't say. I read the top 50 comments on this video and not a single one was in favor of the microaggression poster. Personally, I don't think Japan really needs the American practice of vigilantly searching for things to take offense at. In 2022, I talked with Dr. Ken Barry about how American people are so sensitive to accidentally fat shaming others that even some doctors were afraid to tell their patients that their main problem is that they're just too fat and they need to lose weight for the sake of their health. I can't believe a a a doctor is going to tell me if I'm healthy. You're like, "That's the job stupid." I thought one of the reasons people aren't so offended by being told something like, "Did you gain some weight?" is because, well, staying thin

8:12 in Japan is much, much easier. But in America, you have to avoid 80% of the food supply and go out of your way to eat healthy. So, it's a lot harder to lose weight. And so, it's probably a lot more frustrating to hear comments about your weight. Body positivity was all a big lie because it's better to not be overweight.

8:31 On, that, note,, once, losing, weight, became really easy with Ozic, the whole body positivity and fat positivity movement got pretty quiet.

8:40 There's, been, a, more, than, 930% increase in patients getting prescription simaglutide in the past four years. You represented body positivity and now some women are saying it's kind of a copout. Yeah, body positive. Body positivity. Body positivity. Normalize growing comfortable with your body. Body positive community.

9:02 So, Lizo, been, on, her, weight, loss, journey. You, already, know, I'm, in, that, mother giddy ho. I'm in that giddy fish.

9:10 But, wait,, one, of, the, phrases, on, that don't do microaggressions poster was you'd be a lot more popular with the guys or you'd be a lot more popular with the ladies if you lost some weight. In a Japanese news spot from this year they asked a 100 Japanese women whether they thought their body was fine as it is or if they wanted to lose weight. 82% said that they wanted to lose weight. Personally, I do think that number in reality is probably a bit lower since women don't like to be the odd one out saying that they think they look great as they are, but their friends are all saying that they have work to do. Now about 40% of the women who gave a reason why they wanted to lose weight said that they wanted to be skinny like their favorite idols.

9:56 K-pop, culture, is, very, big, here., They are very thin and pretty. Another, program, reported, that, as, of 2023, one in five Japanese women are technically underweight with a BMI of under 18.5. They even reported that in a survey of a thousand women, among those that were technically underweight, 18.8% of them still thought that they were fat and 53% of the women who had a normal BMI thought that they were fat. The main thing that they blamed on this was the influence of social media and traditional media.

10:38 But they didn't mention fat shaming. Now, I have heard stories from friends here about being brutally mocked for being chubby in grade school. Kids can be pretty brutal in general. Japanese kids are, from what I've seen, better behaved than American kids. That doesn't mean Japanese kids are all perfect angels to each other. Bullying certainly does happen here. And any Japanese kid of course, knows the word debu, fatty

11:01 though., Can, we, really, say, that, the, fat shaming in Japan is definitely worse than that of say America? Well, a study in the Journal of Social Development on 175th and 11th graders in the United States and 257 in Japan examined their reactions to obese kids and kids who look different. They found that the Japanese fifth graders were more inclusive and more positive about the so-called deviant obese kids. Further, a 2016 study on body related teasing in adolescence in Osaka, Japan, they found that 16.4% of the boys and 32.5% of the girls experienced body related teasing.

11:39 Compare that to another 2018 study on weight teasing in Minnesota that found that the body teasing was worse than Japan. 45.1% of adolescent girls and 37.1% of adolescent boys had experienced weight-based teasing. So yeah, the data on this very specific topic is limited. But what we do have access to suggests that if anything, there is slightly less teasing in Japan. If fat shaming is the main reason Japanese people are able to stay thin, why are American kids fatter despite more teasing? Now, social pressure still is a thing here. As I explained in my recent video about Japan's health, people are indeed influenced by their social group. People want to fit in

12:17 like, just, looking, at, everyone, else, and then, oh, I might be a little fat, so I need to lose weight. something like that. Studies have found that if you have a lot of obese friends, your chances of becoming obese yourself increase. If you have a lot of thin friends, you're less likely to gain weight. The thinner everyone around you is, and the more time you spend on Instagram watching idol dance videos, the more you'll naturally generate internal pressure towards yourself to stay thin. There are even a couple comments saying that you have the reverse situation of America where obesity is normalized and you're almost pushed into gaining weight. That is, the social culture is centered around food and eating, and you're pressured to go out and eat all the time and eat a bunch of junk food in America.

13:07 I also get the impression that more so than Americans, Japanese people are very concerned with how they think the people around them view them. So, they probably do feel some unspoken pressure to fit in if they're the odd one out due to their weight. Where this gets tricky is that the data would suggest that if you're overweight, the subtle pressure of being surrounded by people who are of a healthy weight would technically be good for your health. However, if you're already thin, then being surrounded by underweight people is not a good influence. Now, for most English-speaking countries, being underweight isn't the big issue. And unhealthy and overweight countries like America can learn a lot from Japan's food culture, considering that their obesity rate is onetenth that of Americans. The tricky thing is, as I hinted earlier, health can be confusing.

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In order: 0:00 Ono Dakimi; 3:00 Dartmouth College; 6:00 Dr. Ken Barry; 12:00 Element.

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