Mother Killed & Baby ABDUCTED: What Happened To Christine & Vanessa Holloway?

Who speaks in this episode?

• Kendall Ray (Host)

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: Midi Health, Christine Marie Holloway, Vanessa, Kendall Ray
2. 5:00 – 10:00: Vanessa, Ansonia, Jose Morales, Bridgeport, Connecticut
3. 10:00 – 15:00: Vanessa, Christine Marie Holloway
4. 15:00 – 20:00: Vanessa
5. 20:00 – 25:00: Vanessa
6. 30:00 – 35:00: Vanessa, St. Michael's Church, Christine Marie Holloway, Kiducation
7. 35:00 – 40:00: Vanessa, PCP
8. 40:00 – 45:00: Vanessa
9. 50:00 – 55:00: Vanessa, Christine Marie Holloway
10. 55:00 – 57:59: Vanessa

Notable quotes from "Mother Killed & Baby ABDUCTED: What Happened To Christine & Vanessa Holloway?"

• Hello everyone and welcome back to True Crime with Kendall Ray. Thank you so much for joining me and if you're new to the show then welcome. I'm so happy to have you here and man I just realized.

  about Kendall Ray · at 0:09

• Absolutely devastating and it's been 6 years since it occurred and the fact that baby Vanessa is still out there, she's would no longer be a baby at this point is really eerie…

  about Vanessa · at 1:07

• Trust Midi for their midlife care. Big thanks again to Midi Health. And now, let's go ahead and jump in. And I want to start, of course, by telling you more about Christine…

  about Christine Marie Holloway · at 3:45

• Christine that make it so fitting that Christine's job was at a child care center. She worked at Bright Morning Star Child Care in Bridgeport, Connecticut, where she was known…

  about Bright Morning Star Child Care · at 5:05

• Connecticut. And then on the weekends, he would stay with Christine and Vanessa at her apartment in Ansonia, which is about a 30inut drive. The two of them met on a dating app…

  about Ansonia · at 6:02

• There's one specific video that I want to highlight. Just after 6:00 a.m. on Sunday, December 1st, Jose's car can be seen on Derby Avenue headed in the direction of St.…

  about St. Michael's Church · at 32:42

• So on February 7th of 2020, Jose was charged with firstdegree murder and tampering with evidence, and he received a $5 million bond. He wasn't charged with anything related to Vanessa's.

  about Jose Morales · at 36:55

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Vanessa — Person · Missing child (abduction victim) · 29 mentions · first at 1:14
  Christine’s 14-month-old daughter who disappeared during/after the homicide; the episode emphasizes she may still be alive and seeks public tips.
• Jose Morales — Person · Primary suspect/defendant (boyfriend of victim; convicted murderer) · 1 mention · first at 5:37
  He is presented as the key perpetrator: linked by surveillance, forensics, inconsistent statements, and later convicted of first-degree murder and evidence tampering.
• Kendall Ray — Person · Host · 1 mention · first at 0:11
  Narrates the case, frames the investigation timeline, and calls for awareness/tips; she also mentions outreach via her foundation.
• Christine Marie Holloway — Person · Victim (full legal name; same individual as Christine Holloway) · 6 mentions · first at 0:49
  Used when providing biographical background (birth, family, faith, education, work) about Christine Holloway.

Companies & orgs

• Higher Hope — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:44
  And I are going to be reaching out to their family and see if there's any way that we can help through my foundation, Higher Hope. And speaking of Higher Hope, I need to thank…
• Bright Morning Star Child Care — Company · 1 mention · first at 5:10
• Kiducation — Company · 1 mention · first at 33:18
  December 5th, investigators got this bizarre phone call from an employee of a nonprofit. It's called Kiducation and they happen to have a donation bin set up at St. Michael's…
• NCMEC — Company · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

• PCP — Concept · 1 mention · first at 37:38
  On the night that she was killed. But according to Jose, and God, I couldn't even make this [ __ ] up if I tried. He claims that he was high on PCP. Yeah, PCP. And when he was high on the PCP, two intruders broke into the apartment.
• Halloween — Concept · 1 mention · first at 3:53
  Let's go ahead and jump in. And I want to start, of course, by telling you more about Christine Marie Holloway, who was born on Halloween in 1976 to her parents, Deborah and…
• Colombettes — Concept · 1 mention · first at 4:35
  It seems like there was really two main pillars in her life. That was family and faith. Christine was Catholic and she was part of this group called the Colombettes, which is a…

Places & events

• Ansonia — Place · 2 mentions · first at 6:06
• Bridgeport, Connecticut — Place · 1 mention · first at 5:12
  Christine that make it so fitting that Christine's job was at a child care center. She worked at Bright Morning Star Child Care in Bridgeport, Connecticut, where she was known…
• St. Michael's Church — Place · 2 mentions · first at 32:52

Sponsors

• Midi Health — Product · Sponsor of the episode · 3 mentions · first at 1:50
  Provides virtual care for women's health issues, supporting the host's foundation.
  Their family and see if there's any way that we can help through my foundation, Higher Hope. And speaking of Higher Hope, I need to thank today's sponsor, Midi Health, which…

Full transcript with timestamps

0:09 Hello everyone and welcome back to True Crime with Kendall Ray. Thank you so much for joining me and if you're new to the show then welcome. I'm so happy to have you here and man I just realized that I am looking a lot like this polar bear. Do you see this people? My son is huge. Not only that, I also have a Diet Coke. Anyway, you guys, the case that I'm going to be talking to you about today, I am beyond surprised that one, more people aren't talking about it, and two, that I had never heard of it. This case absolutely needs more coverage because we're going to be talking about the murder of Christine Holloway and the abduction of her 14-month-old daughter who is still missing to this day. And there is a chance that she is out there somewhere. This case is just heartbreaking in every way. um absolutely devastating and it's been 6 years since it occurred and the fact that baby Vanessa is still out there,

1:17 she's would no longer be a baby at this point is really eerie to think about, but a very real possibility and I just feel so so badly for Christine's family who still doesn't have answers about where Vanessa is. I really hope through this episode today we can offer their family some support. In fact, my team and I are going to be reaching out to their family and see if there's any way that we can help through my foundation, Higher Hope. And speaking of Higher Hope, I need to thank today's sponsor, Midi Health, which you know, it's sponsors like Midi Health that make it possible for us to offer families hope grants. So, for many years, I was a shell of myself. I was feeling horrible every single day and I would go to a variety of doctors over the years and pretty much all of them just told me I was stressed and I felt so gaslit and felt like I had no one to turn to. That is until I found the right doctor who

2:17 gave me the right tests and it turns out that I had a chronic illness that explained all of my symptoms and it turns out I wasn't just stressed or crazy and there was actually a solution for me. I was able to get help and it completely changed my life and that's all thanks to that one doctor who finally really listened and got me the help I needed during this pregnancy. Making sure I have the right team, the right doctors alongside me as I go through this time in my life has been the top of my priority list. And if any of this resonated with you, I wanted to tell you about Midi Health, today's sponsor, a virtual care clinic built to truly see, hear, and understand women.

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3:49 let's go ahead and jump in. And I want to start, of course, by telling you more about Christine Marie Holloway, who was born on Halloween in 1976 to her parents, Deborah and Terry. She was the eldest of five siblings, and from a young age, she really developed a knack and passion for nurturing her brothers and her sister. Taking care of others just came easily to Christine, which actually led her to study psychology in college, and she was even the first person in her family to graduate with a college degree. Her loved ones say that she was definitely the golden child and that she had the most contagious big belly laugh that you'd ever heard. And from what I was able to learn about her, it seems like there was really two main pillars in her life. That was family and faith. Christine was Catholic and she was part of this group called the Colombettes, which is a woman's Catholic organization. And everyone said that she

4:40 was as patient as a saint. They also all say that she would really do anything for anyone, especially anyone in her family. She was very close with all of them, especially her niece and nephew. Whenever she was off work, especially after work, she would go and spend time with them and they would puzzle together. Christine was really into puzzling, so that was something they really enjoyed to do all together. And you know, it's these qualities about Christine that make it so fitting that Christine's job was at a child care center. She worked at Bright Morning Star Child Care in Bridgeport, Connecticut, where she was known for being an attentive and reliable caregiver for the children that went there. And part of the reason that she worked there was also so that she could spend time with her own daughter when she was there. And her name, like I mentioned earlier, is Vanessa. Now, being a mom was something that Christine

5:32 had always wished for. And in 2018, that wish came true when she and her boyfriend Jose Morales got pregnant with a baby girl. And from the moment that Vanessa was born, it was just obvious to everyone that Christine was destined to be a mom. And that was very evident in the way that she cared for her. Now, as for Vanessa's relationship with her dad, it's safe to say that they were a lot less close. Jose had two kids from a prior relationship, and they lived with him during the week at his mom and stepdad's house in New Haven, Connecticut. And then on the weekends, he would stay with Christine and Vanessa at her apartment in Ansonia, which is about a 30inut drive. The two of them met on a dating app a few years prior to 2019. And as a couple, things were pretty turbulent from what I've read.

6:19 And I'll dive more into that later. But right now, the most important thing to understand is that Christine and Vanessa were totally attached at the hip. And it's also important to know that Christine was really known for her reliability. So much so that when she didn't show up for work on December 2nd, 2019, her boss called the police and asked for a welfare check. The call to the Ansonia Police Department came in at about 100 p.m. and an officer was dispatched shortly thereafter. And for my audio only listeners, Christine rented out a second floor apartment of a thirdcar garage. And right away, the officer noticed that something was a bit strange because it had just snowed the night before and temperatures were still incredibly low. Yet, he could see that two of her windows were open, a skylight window as well as a bay window. Yet, when he knocked on the door, nobody answered. And there were no sounds

7:17 coming from inside the house either. And in these winter conditions, the open windows definitely made him wonder and worry. However, because there was no reasonable suspicion, the officer left. And meanwhile, Christine's family also got word that something may have been wrong. Her boss, Rosie, had contacted one of her brothers and her brother's girlfriend, Jodie, about the fact that she didn't show up to work. And because they live nearby, Jod went over there herself to see if Christine was home. And at first, she did see fresh footprints in the snow, which made her wonder if someone had been there. But nobody came to the door. and she didn't hear the sound of, you know, anyone behind the door or Vanessa crying or anything like that. So, her next thought was maybe they were just still over at Jose's mom's house because they were there for Thanksgiving. So, she goes over there. But when she gets there,

8:13 Jose acted like he didn't know anything about Christine not showing up for work. All he told her was that he saw them that morning around 7:00 a.m. as she and Vanessa left the house. So Jod's reaction was to call the local hospitals thinking maybe they had been in an accident. And when that didn't pan out, she ended up just calling the police department to explain their concerns. And of course, we know that a welfare check had already taken place. But thankfully, when they pushed for more to be done, they listened. In fact, after learning from Jod that Christine often spent her weekends with Jose at his mom's house where they lived, they decided to give him a call on a recorded line.

8:54 um a a girl here that's saying that she's the sister of Christina Holloway. All right.

9:01 Is that Christina your girlfriend? Yeah. Okay. She's saying that she couldn't contact her all day today. She said that she talked to you today and that you said you saw her leave this morning.

9:12 I leave early in the morning to go to work. That's about it. Who is she? Who is she with when you left?

9:18 243. Is that your baby as well? Yes. But Jose quickly changed his story. He goes on to say that he had only ever spoken to her on the phone and that the last time he had actually laid eyes on her was Friday afternoon.

9:35 Okay. Oh, then that you guys both left her house together this morning. I talked to her.

9:41 Okay. So, you talked to her this morning? Yeah. And at 7:00 when she was leaving for leaving for work? Yes.

9:49 When's the last time you saw her? Friday. Friday to find her because like everybody's concerned because they haven't talked to her. We're more concerned about you know your daughter. Your your your daughter. How old is your daughter?

10:05 She's one years old. What did What does she drive? Uh 2002. 2002 Mazda Pro. What color is it?

10:17 Gold. Gold. Yeah. Mahuri has the Ford Fusion, do you know? Or the Ford Focus? No.

10:25 Does she have another car? A black car? No. Do you know of So clearly the change in story was suspicious to them right off the bat. And Jod even confirmed that he definitely told her that the two had physically saw each other that morning. But that wasn't the only bizarre part about this phone call, cuz the comment that he made about the kind of car that she drove was weird, too. So, it turns out that a week before this, Christine had got a new car. She got a black Ford Focus and Jose apparently helped her pick it out. Yet, for some reason, he told them that she still drove her old car and that he knew nothing about this other one. Mind you, that Ford Focus was still parked outside of her apartment.

11:13 So, with all of this, around 8:45 p.m., two officers returned to the apartment to conduct their second welfare check. They both approached her unit and walked around the immediate vicinity, and one of them even went around the neighborhood to ask if anyone remembered seeing anything. And someone did report seeing Jose hanging around outside earlier that day. And this time there was enough concern for Christine and Vanessa's safety that the officers decided to just go ahead and kick down the door.

11:43 Earlier to today, we had a uh person technically just try to make contact with number 6 and 1/2 My lab. They came out. They said nobody's home. She's a mother of one-year-old. She's always shows up at work. She always contacts us. We haven't heard from her. This is really, really bad. We have a bad feeling. Talked to her boyfriend. Boyfriend says I haven't I haven't seen her. There's a couple windows open on the second floor, which is really odd cuz obviously it's freezing out. I can't get into the house. I'm going to kick in the door in a minute.

12:11 Police. And as they entered her house, there was a brief moment where things seemed okay. But then within seconds, one of the officers shouted for the other because there in the bathroom was 43-year-old Christine Holloway's naked body. so badly beaten that they knew they couldn't save her.

12:35 Oh, dude. Holy. Captain E here. As you can tell in that footage, this discovery was just beyond traumatic. And as soon as her loved ones learned what had happened, they could hardly wrap their minds around it. They could hardly believe that it was true. And I just remember my husband freaking out. Danielle got a call that they're taping her house off. I collapsed in the the lobby screaming, "No, no, no, no, no." And I remember my husband saying, "She's gone." I said, "Stop saying that. We don't know what's going on." And I'm like arguing with him. And he turned to me, grabbed my hands, looked me in my dead in my eyes, and said, "She's gone."

13:16 A medical examiner would later determine that Christine had suffered at least eight blows to the head with a weapon that they believed to be a hammer. However, no weapon was ever found. So, that's just a best guess. With or without it, though, they knew that this was not an accident. And so, a homicide investigation kicked off right away. But it wasn't just a homicide investigation. There was also a missing person. Baby Vanessa was nowhere to be found. And like I mentioned at the beginning of this episode, we still do not know where she is to this day. And while the search for her isn't over yet, I do still have some hope that they will find her. So immediately after the discovery of Christine's remains, investigators began to process the scene, and they quickly realized that it actually didn't look like the attack happened in the bathroom, even though that's where her remains were found. Substantial blood

14:11 evidence was found in the hallway area not far from her daughter's crib. However, someone clearly tried to clean it up. And when state police forensically examined the place, they found signs of blood on the walls, the rocking chair, the rug, a container of toys, and also on some stuffed animals, which is just beyond disturbing. There was also a wet red stained rag that was found in a bucket under the sink. And that same sink was later determined to have bone fragments in the pipes. Plus, there was a single pink infant's croc that didn't have a matching pair, which also had blood stains on it. So, obviously, this was a really eerie and disturbing crime scene. And something interesting that they noticed though was that the rest of the house was relatively clean. Besides two overflowing recycling bins that were filled with water bottles and beer cans both inside and outside, the house was

15:14 relatively wellkept. It wasn't like anything had been stolen. There was even a candle lit. Plus, let's not forget that the front door was locked when those two welfare checks occurred, suggesting that whoever left her in there in that condition had to have had a key. And I'm sure you can see where this is going, but Jose, of course, quickly became someone that they wanted to speak to immediately. And so early the following morning on Tuesday, December 3rd, he was picked up at his parents' house and he voluntarily came into the police station for an interview. And the strategy here was to not let Jose know that they knew Christine had been killed. They basically said they wanted his help to find her and Vanessa because both of them were missing. And honestly, he sounds pretty incoherent during the interview, but I thought it was important to play some of it so you guys can hear how it went down. Even though

16:10 the door is kind of closed. I mean, you're free to leave. We brought you here to talk to you. I understand you're

16:15 I'm free to leave. What am I going to walk all the way home? No, we'll give you a ride.

16:20 I'm just saying you're not held captive here. I'm not like You're not So why what I came here for? To talk to you

16:26 about what? We're trying to find Christina and your kid. All right. We That's That's exactly what I've been trying to I've been trying to call her, too.

16:35 So that we're in the same page. Okay, good. It's I'd rather have it that way. When's the last time you talked to her?

16:42 I talked to her I think was Monday morning when she was going to work. So that was yesterday morning. Monday. About what time?

16:49 Early in the morning. Okay. So that was talking on the phone or in person basically.

16:53 On the phone. Did she say anything? Was there a problem? Was there any kind of issue?

16:58 No. No argu. Did you hear anything in the background? I didn't hear nothing. She didn't sound like she was having any problems. Did she sound different?

17:05 Well, it was super fast. It's like she couldn't be on the phone but just giving you short answers and trying to

17:11 like quick like I probably spoke to her for less than a minute probably quick and that's not normal.

17:17 That's not normal. Well, it is and it isn't because sometime for a while sometime it was early in the morning. So

17:25 the fact that this man even remotely tried to say that he wanted to help find them is such a massive load of [ __ ] I learned that during the 38 minute drive to the police station, this guy, not once, not a single time, did he ask about his daughter. Instead, he was talking about how nice the squad car was and how he lived a sober lifestyle. Mhm. Just listen to this.

17:54 We want to find a one-year-old and we need your help. I want to find high. We need your help. It's the only reason we brought you here. I mean, cuz if I if someone came to my house and said Vanessa's missing and it's my one-year-old daughter,

18:08 I'm worried. That's why I keep trying to call my my kids. The hole right here. You talked about everything but her. The hole right here. You didn't talk about a one-year-old daughter that's missing. I don't get that.

18:23 That's my daughter. Yeah. I That's We want to find her. And you're the only reason you're here

18:30 is to find her. Is to help us find her. All right. So, let's find her. So, where is she?

18:34 I don't know. His concern was so opposite of genuine. It's very obvious to anyone I think that sees this footage and you could tell that the investigators felt the exact same way. So, they decided to question him about the timeline of the weekend. But, he stuck to his story about seeing her that previous Friday afternoon. Did you stay over there this weekend?

18:59 No. You didn't stay over there this weekend? No. Do you normally stay over there during the weekend?

19:04 Sometimes I do. Yeah. Not normally, but sometimes I stay over. All right. So, when's the last time you saw her in person?

19:12 Friday. And where was that? At my house. Where you picked me? Yeah. She was there?

19:18 Yeah. Okay. With Vanessa? Yeah. Okay. And when did she leave on a Friday? Somewhere in the afternoon around 6, I think.

19:26 So, at night in the evening, like around dinner time. Yeah. All right. Did she leave by herself?

19:31 Yeah. With Vanessa? With Vanessa? Yeah. So, make sure I got this right. She left your house or your parents house

19:39 on Friday. Yeah. With Vanessa? Yeah. And you didn't go with her? No. So, where did you stay over the weekend?

19:47 I stayed with my friend Hector. Hector? you lose any s. Now, this whole Hector piece is very important and it's also verifiable. Not to get ahead of myself here, but investigators spoke with him later on and it was confirmed that they weren't together that entire weekend. Hector actually lied at first and said they were, but then later admitted that Jose asked him for an alibi, asked him to lie. They were only together for part of the weekend, and there were several stretches of time where Jose was unaccounted for. During this interview, though, they didn't know any of that.

20:26 They had, however, spoken to Jose's stepdad, and he gave them some very important information. He told investigators that Jose told him that he and Christine were going to her apartment together on Friday. He didn't say that he was going to Hector's. Yet, when he was confronted with this, Jose tried to say that his stepdad was probably just confused.

20:51 Jose, when did you go to Hector's house? Friday. When? Friday. Friday night. When did you come home?

21:01 During the day, not sure. End of day. During the day, not sure. During the day. Yeah.

21:08 Jose, did you tell your parents where you went on Friday? Yeah. Listen. Yeah. Listen. What?

21:15 Your dad said you went to Christine's Friday with her. Why would he tell me that?

21:22 He said that I went to Christine. Yes. Probably that's why he thought I was. You said you told him where you went. And if you told him you went to Hector's

21:29 She got her own car, right? But why would he tell me that you went to Christine's if you told him where you went?

21:36 Why would he tell? He probably assumed. No, you said you told him where you went.

21:41 I told my father. Yeah, you just told me. You said you told him where you went.

21:46 I told my father where I went. Yeah, that's what you told me. And that's what I said. Why did Then why did he tell me you went to Christine's if you didn't?

21:54 I told my father that I went to Christine. That's what you just told me about 30 seconds ago.

22:00 Um, I'm not sure. You missing my words. Now, as the interview continued, Jose had the audacity to tell investigators that he and Christine weren't actually that close, which by the way completely went against everything that Christine's family had to say about their relationship.

22:18 We have boyfriend, girlfriend. You guys are? Yeah, but we're not that close either because she got her own place. She do her own life. She live, she got her own apartment. We're not that close,

22:29 right? It's like we have a baby. Yeah. Well, it's not like she my girlfriend. Girlfriend. We say that. We use that word very lightly. Yeah.

22:38 But we have a baby together that happened. It happened. So I guess I'm assume a little bit of responsibility by helping her out a little bit.

22:47 Yeah. So yeah. No. So we in love with the baby. So we let her come over and stay over our house and holiday and things like that to see the baby.

22:56 So you do all that for Vanessa. You don't It's not forine. It's not for Christine. It's for Vanessa. Yes. Exactly.

23:03 So your family likes but Vanessa. We love Vanessa. Yeah. We really we really we really don't like Christine. She said she okay, you know, but

23:13 All right. That's it. The way that this slob did his interviews really made everything so very obvious. That slip up at the end there is really everything, right? To go from we don't like Christine to she's okay. And investigators used that slip up to see if he would slip up again when talking about their last contact and they totally caught his ass in another lie. Remember how he said he spoke to her on the phone on Monday morning? Well, when they asked him to bring up his call log, that specific call wasn't there. They found other calls from that day, but not one from the morning of the second with Christine. Can you uh would you would you um show me the phone call that you made to Vanessa on Monday morning on your phone, please?

24:05 That's me trying to call her. You got a whole bunch of phone calls from today. That's

24:10 me trying to call her. Yeah, cuz I'm always worried. So, I keep trying to call, keep trying to call, keep trying to call. He goes straight to voicemail.

24:19 Did you erase stuff? I I always delete all my I pretty much delete I delete all my cars all the time.

24:27 You didn't delete these seven though. He also yet again lied about what kind of car she drove and continued to deny knowing where the two of them were. And eventually he did ask to leave which legally they had to agree to. But before he left they did two things. For one, they confronted him with the fact that a witness saw him leaving Christine's place on Monday morning, which went against what he said about last seeing her on Friday. They also took possession of his clothes, which he certainly did not like that. And during that time, they found bruising, swelling, and abrasions on him, which unsurprisingly he didn't have an explanation for.

25:12 You realize that somebody saw you leaving Christine's house today? How was that?

25:20 It's not important who today. Well, not Tuesday. Monday. You were at the house Monday leaving.

25:30 Where's your daughter? Yes. No. No. We didn't go. We didn't go. Are you going to bring us?

25:38 I told him that the reason he's here is cuz somebody saw him leaving the house Monday.

25:42 Yeah. Hold on a second. Hold on. No, you guys taking me home. Yeah, we're taking you home. Well, we're taking your clothes first.

25:48 After this, they drove him back to mommy and daddy's house where the conversation actually ended up continuing there, and there's footage of it. And during this conversation, the officers decided to share the truth about Christine.

26:02 You know where Christine is? Do you know where Christine is? Yes. Oh, you guys found her?

26:07 Yes. Well, you want to hold the baby? Uh, Christine's dead. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Who was there? What happened to her?

26:20 Who happened to her? We're looking for your son to to to shine the light on our situation that we're working with right now.

26:30 We're investigating. So, I'll let you know this. It's a homicide. They also confronted Jose about Christine's new car, which he was now saying he knew about all along. We can't find the car that he says she's always driving.

26:44 But we find we know where the car is that you say that she's driving. They know one.

26:48 Yeah. Yeah. When I asked you about her buying a new car, you said you knew nothing about it.

26:53 No, I know about it. Well, why did you say you didn't know anything about it? I know about the first time.

26:57 Jose, we also just took your car. The car is gone. Yep. And he literally just continues to crash out to dig himself deeper and deeper into a deeper hole. I don't know. I don't know. But you want me to come up with an idea? Make something up?

27:15 What you want me to do? WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY? To just invent a situation? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You probably had to break the door in there to get in her house all day.

27:30 I don't know. What you mean you don't know? I was at I was at Hunter. When? How was he? How does he not know where he was today yesterday? It's not even 24 hours later. How does he not know that?

27:43 I say I was at my boy's head. Oh, you're worried cuz you were leaving the house

27:50 at 1:49. We have him on video leaving the house and we also had a witness saying he was there

27:56 today on Monday. Monday. Monday. There is nothing that I can tell you. I don't know.

28:02 Were they in a serious relationship? Yeah. Well, he said it was Oh, it wasn't a serious relationship.

28:08 They were dating. So, he's going to say you were I was at his I was on Monday. I was with him

28:13 on Monday. The weekend. The weekend. No, Monday. But you just said you were with Hector on Monday. You said I don't remember what I was doing on Monday.

28:21 I was on the weekend. The weekend. What about Monday? They asking about Monday.

28:28 Listen, you don't have to answer. And you are putting up a lot of walls. It's not that a lot of words. Maybe my brain is messed up. Maybe I don't I'm not clear. Am I the person? No. I FaceTime you from Hector House make you believe that I was with her.

28:46 Did you see her? Did you see anything in the background? You saw my face on FaceTime. I was making you believe that I was at Christine, but because I didn't want you to think that I'm out with my friend party.

28:55 So, what were you facetiming with? What phone were you facetiming with? With actors.

29:00 Do you Do you have your phone? Yeah. All right. So, then you should have Hector's uh contact.

29:05 You should have Hector's contact for No, no, no, no. I was FaceTiming with the Oops.

29:10 But that's not Hector's number. No, no, no. Not Hector. I was FaceTiming my mom.

29:16 With Hector's phone, you said. No, no, not with his phone. With my iPad. Well, I have iPad.

29:22 So, obviously that iPad was taken in to be examined as well as both of his cell phones. And shocker, that iPad connected to a Wi-Fi source at Christine's apartment over the weekend. His two cell phones also pinged on cell towers near her street. Plus, like I said, a witness reported seeing him outside of Christine's place on Monday morning. And this neighbor said he saw Jose carry something to his car shortly after 1:00 p.m., which was after the first welfare check, and that the two of them actually stopped briefly to talk about the weather. He said he remembered Jose returning to the house and then 20 minutes later he left again, which was confirmed by surveillance video. Jose's car could be seen leaving her neighborhood less than an hour after that first welfare check, which means he was actually likely inside when the officer knocked on the door. And that neighbor wasn't the only witness from

30:18 that weekend. A different neighbor said that he was almost positive that he saw Jose getting into his car on Sunday, December 1st with Vanessa. And think about it, this would have been one day before Christine was found and after investigators believe she was killed because based on their calculations, they think she died early on Sunday morning. And I do feel like the piece about him putting Vanessa in the car seems to get brushed over a lot. What if what the neighbor said he saw is true? That means Jose had an entire day with his daughter that's unaccounted for. And I'll speak more to this later, but like I said in the beginning, I do think it's possible that she is still alive. And this is a big part of that. Also, when Christine's apartment was forensically examined, they never found evidence to suggest that Vanessa got hurt. None of the blood found in the apartment was hers and also a few of her belongings

31:15 were missing as well and investigators have yet to find those items. In a press conference early on, a lieutenant had stated that they were looking for the public's help in finding her. And they're also looking for people to keep an eye out for Vanessa's polka dot blanket, Graco car seat, and gray Eddie Bower First Adventure backpack diaper bag. These are all belongings that investigators believe may have stayed with her, assuming that she was given to someone alive. And at that same press conference, a $10,000 reward for information leading to her return was announced. And of course, at this point, we all know who investigators are looking at as their primary suspect.

31:54 It's pretty damn obvious. But of course, there wasn't any concrete proof yet, so they couldn't just arrest him. But they did arrest him for something else. Jose was arrested on December 3rd after they found two stun guns in his house during the execution of a search warrant. Turns out he was previously convicted of a felony. So he wasn't legally allowed to have those. And that worked out nice in their favor because this was enough to keep him behind bars until an additional arrest could be made. And in the meantime, they just kept digging for evidence, which wasn't too hard to find.

32:31 It turns out there were multiple surveillance cameras that captured Jose coming and going from Christine's neighborhood that weekend. And while of course all of it is incriminating, there's one specific video that I want to highlight. Just after 6:00 a.m. on Sunday, December 1st, Jose's car can be seen on Derby Avenue headed in the direction of St. Michael's Church. He's not seen at the church because there weren't any cameras there, but he is seen going that way. And then about 15 minutes later, he drives back towards Christine's apartment and is seen stopping at a gas station where he attempts to buy cigarettes, but his car declined. Here's why that matters. On December 5th, investigators got this bizarre phone call from an employee of a nonprofit. It's called Kiducation and they happen to have a donation bin set up at St. Michael's Church. And the caller tells investigators that while

33:28 one of her employees was going through the bins, she found several items with bloodlike stains on them. And she also found some mail which was addressed to Christine Holloway. And when she Googled the name, she saw that she had been recently murdered and she realized she needed to call the police. Isn't that insane? And I just have to say how amazing it is that she actually called because I feel like we're living in a time where a lot of people would be like, "Not my business, not my problem." Or wouldn't have even taken the extra time to Google her name or really look much more at it. Maybe just have tossed it aside. I just thought it was really cool that she actually made that call and crucial to this case. And within 5 minutes of making that call, a team of officers showed up and man, they found a lot. They found bloodstained children's clothes, toys, pillows, a towel, books, male clothing in Jose's 3XL size, and

34:26 female adult clothing, as well as a single pink children's croc. And I'm sure a lot of you have already figured it out. That was the matching pair to the single croc that was found at Christine's apartment, the one that had blood on it. And when these items were tested, it was confirmed that the substance was blood and that it was a match to Christine. They also matched her DNA to bloody towels found in Jose's shower. And after processing his car, they confirmed that her DNA was on a large black contractor's trash bag located in his trunk as well as in other areas inside the vehicle. Even his shoes had a quote tissueike material on them that they linked back to her. Plus, and this is really upsetting to think about, but when they found Christine's body, she actually had some hair in her hand, almost like she had tried to fight off her attacker. And when they tested that hair, who did it belong to? Jose. So,

35:26 the truth was just impossible to ignore by this point. And the discoveries didn't end there. It turns out that back on December 1st, a man had placed a 911 call to the Ensonia Police Department. The call came in around 2:00 a.m. And spoiler, it came in from Jose's phone, which pinged at a tower not far from Christine's apartment. And on that call, he can be heard slurring his words, of course, saying Myrtle Avenue, which is the street that her apartment was on. He didn't give a specific address, though, and he really can't be heard saying much else. But when investigators listened to the audio closely, they did hear a woman's voice in the background saying, "Stop. Hang up. Who are you calling?

36:18 Whatever. Where are you on? Where are you on Myrtle Avenue? What number? And an officer actually was dispatched to Myrtle Avenue shortly after this, but nothing looks suspicious, so they left. All that to say, this call was just even more proof that Jose was with Christine when she died, and investigators finally felt like they had enough at this point. So on February 7th of 2020, Jose was charged with firstdegree murder and tampering with evidence, and he received a $5 million bond. He wasn't charged with anything related to Vanessa's disappearance, although he currently remains the only suspect there as well.

37:11 And no surprise here, but on February 18th of 2020, he pleaded not guilty. And no surprise here either, but at this point, he had completely changed his story about what happened to Christine. About 2 weeks after his initial arrest, he ended up telling investigators that he was in fact at Christine's apartment on the night that she was killed. But according to Jose, and God, I couldn't even make this [ __ ] up if I tried. He claims that he was high on PCP. Yeah, PCP. And when he was high on the PCP, two intruders broke into the apartment.

37:52 So, yeah, you you're seeing where this is going already, right? And he goes on to explain that these two intruders were the ones who actually killed Christine and abducted Vanessa. That's right, you guys. He told them this crazy story about being high on quote angel dust and how after they broke into the house, one of the men knocked him out, so he wasn't able to protect the girls. And there is more to his tale, which I will get to in a minute. Um, but yeah, isn't that crazy? And he has stuck with this story over all of these years. And he's even used the drugs as an excuse for why he lied initially. He actually told investigators that the drugs made it so he couldn't remember what happened. But as the effects wore off, he started to piece it together. I'm sure all of you agree that this is a load of [ __ ] It doesn't even make sense. Not even how drugs like this work. And I know Christine's family definitely doesn't

38:52 believe him. And sadly, they had to wait years for justice. Despite his arrest in 2020, Jose didn't go to trial until April of 2025. And during that time, the Holloway family just had to hope that he would confess the actual truth. There was even talk about a plea agreement in exchange for information on Vanessa's whereabouts, but nothing was ever agreed upon. And this naturally led to a lot of frustration in their family. And the police were frustrated too with the lack of movement in the case. But his trial did eventually come and man, we definitely learned a lot. So, when it came to the defense's argument, we obviously know the story that they had to spin because Jose really already spun it for them. They had to argue that Jose was high on PCP when these two strange men came into the apartment and they were responsible for the abduction and the murder of Christine. The prosecution, on

39:55 the other hand, they didn't believe that he was on drugs at all. They argued that there was no evidence to suggest that he took any and that the only evidence of intoxication at all came from the alcohol that they found in those recycling bins. And FYI, cuz I'm sure some of you are wondering, the toxicology report showed that Christine had no alcohol in her system at the time of her death, suggesting that Jose was likely the person who had consumed it all. Drunk or not, though, the prosecution argued that he was an abusive boyfriend and ultimately that a domestic dispute resulted in her murder.

40:29 They pointed to text messages between the two where he was clearly controlling and manipulative with the hope that the jury would see Jose for the monster that he is. And as each witness took the stand, the truth got clearer and clearer. In the first few days, there was just a lot of basic testimony, setting the scene and going over the evidence, things like that. And the jury also heard from Christine's boss, the officers who conducted the welfare checks, as well as from the medical examiner. They also heard testimony from Christine's landlord, who happened to be working in the garage below her apartment on Sunday, December 1st. And he spoke about the loud noises he remembered hearing coming from her unit.

41:12 Apparently, it sounded like someone was moving furniture, which the prosecution believed was when Jose was moving her body to the bathroom and cleaning up the scene. There was also testimony from Christine's neighbor who claimed that he saw Jose outside of her apartment that day as well. But truth be told, at the end of the day, the state didn't necessarily need witnesses or even cell phone data to convince the jury that he was there. I mean, we already know that he admitted to being inside. And to my surprise, this [ __ ] decided to take the stand in his own defense. And he also ended up admitting to the tampering with evidence charge.

41:48 So after I rolled a bag, I went outside to the front of the apartment to the deck

41:57 to smoke. Okay. And what did you do on the front of the deck? I started I smoked the the bag of dust. When I went outside to smoke, it was around 1:00 in the morning. I got super high. I got disoriented. Everything got blurry. I couldn't see clear. I was stumbling. I stumbled my way inside of the apartment. I left the um the screen door closes itself. I left the door open because I the front door was I left it a jar, whatever. And I walked right inside into the bathroom.

42:32 And what' you do in the bathroom? In the bathroom, I sat on the toilet. Okay. So at that point you were in the bathroom. You looked out out the window. What did you see? And what did you do from across the street? I saw movement first and then I saw two individuals walking on the sidewalk across the street. One of the individuals started walking across the street towards the apartment and he did a bit of a jog towards the apartment. When I saw that, warning signs and bells and alarms went started running through my head. I tried to work my way out the bathroom to close the front door, but because I was so intoxicated, I couldn't really move. So, I stumbled my way out the bathroom and made it to to right where the the bureau is at because I was so intoxicated that I couldn't do what I really wanted to do. I went in my pocket. I grabbed my phone and I dialed 911.

43:36 The 911 call ended up being played for the jury and Jose confirmed that it was Christine's voice in the background. However, he said that she wasn't aware of the two men approaching the house. And after that was when the fatal attack happened.

43:50 I got hit on my the right side of my face. I lost my balance. I already had no balance to begin with. So, I fell. I got on my floor and I got hit right around my chest area. I stood there laid out on the floor high. I'm listening, but I'm on the floor and I can hear that there's a struggle going on in the bed area. There's a fight. I hear screams. At the same time, I hear that somebody leaves the apartment. I see that somehow Christine got away from whoever it is that she was fighting with and tried to run out the apartment to go after the guy that left the apartment with Vanessa. The the guy that she was struggling with was chasing her, but she doesn't get that far.

44:41 Okay. She gets to in between the the carpet and the tiles. She either trip or collapse. Half of her bodies on the towel, the other half of the body is on the carpet. The guy that's running behind her stops and hits her with a crowbar. He gets up, he start pacing. [ __ ] you scratch me. That's why he says he hits her two more times.

45:09 And as for why he didn't do anything or maybe call for help, well, Jose said that he tried, but one of the intruders threatened to hurt his daughter. I tried I tried to to do something but I can't cuz I'm I'm I'm stuck. I'm PCP and I'm stuck. I couldn't move. I was in the verge of passing out of of blacking out on on on the PCP. So the only thing that I can do is scream. I try to scream stop. He looks at me. He's pointing at Christine with the crowbar. He's looking at me. He said to me that if I call police the same thing will happen to your daughter. Did those words have an effect on you in regard to your conduct the next two or three days?

45:54 Yes. I was afraid to call the police. Tell the ladies and gentlemen, the jury what happened next.

45:59 Well, I got up. I stumbled my way into the doorway and I looked to see where he was going and I saw him go towards the corner at the same time I saw headlights coming in.

46:10 I think the number one question that we all have though is why not call the cops anyway? If this was really true, if and obviously it's not, but if it were, there is no reason why anyone wouldn't have called the police. And to make things even more maddening, Jose said that after these so-called intruders left, he dozed off on the bed for an hour or two, just took a nice little nappy nap, and then when he woke up, he said that he just freaked out and started cleaning up the evidence. But the fact of the matter is, and this is really the prosecution's whole point here, why would you clean up a crime scene if you are not the person responsible? Riddle me that. That just no one would do that. But according to Jose, he just did it because he was in a haze from the PCP that there wasn't really a good reason for it. He just wasn't thinking and he was scared. So, he started cleaning it up. And as for

47:10 why he lied in the first place, we already know. We've already been over this. He said that it was because of the drugs. He couldn't remember afterwards. He had to wait till they wore off. And what's interesting about the way Jose's memory works is that he can't seem to remember what happened, but he was able to easily recall everything that didn't implicate him. Uh, and his defense attorney really really tried to sell it. I mean, they they gave it a good honest try. And in the end, they argued that there just wasn't any evidence linking Jose to the murder itself. Sure, he cleaned up the crime scene, but that was it. According to them, they said there was a lack of intent, no murder weapon, and questionable evidence pointing to his responsibility. In fact, foreign DNA was found under her fingernails, and it wasn't a match to Jose. Plus, I guess surveillance footage captured a car leaving her neighborhood in the early

48:08 morning hours after her murder. and that car wasn't Jose's. And they claimed that that was the car of the intruders. And lastly, the defense really emphasized that 911 call he made. In their eyes, why would someone call 911 before committing a homicide? And yes, I will say that part is strange, but Jose is strange. And I'm sure there is a reason that makes sense for that 911 call being placed. And I think it's really important that at the end of the day here, we remember that often times the most obvious answer is the correct one.

48:44 Jose was there when she was killed. We know this. He admitted to disposing evidence and there was a documented history of his control and manipulation over Christine. He literally admitted to dragging her body from the hallway to the bathroom, undressing her. Yet, we're supposed to believe he didn't also kill her. Not to mention the fact that he was coherent enough to drive to go buy cigarettes, but supposedly not coherent enough to call the police. I mean, come on. Who is buying that [ __ ] Also, let's not forget that Jose came and went from her apartment multiple times on that Sunday, and he could have gone to the police any number of times, and yet he didn't. And actually, according to his own statement, he continued smoking PCP, which let me remind you, we don't actually have proof that he smoked it.

49:40 We only have his word. And his word doesn't mean a whole lot, does it? And so, in the end, the jury did not believe his word. And after only 2 hours of deliberation, they found Jose guilty of firstdegree murder and tampering with evidence. And this was understandably a huge relief to her poor family who finally got justice for Christine after years of waiting. But of course, it didn't take away their pain. Good morning, your honor. Thank you for the opportunity to address the court. My name is Anna Rodansski and I am the youngest of six children. Christine Holloway is my first niece. Debbie, Chrissy's mother, is my oldest sister.

50:25 My other sister Kathy died at 34 years old of lymphoma and that was the worst day of my life. I didn't think I would experience another worst day like that. However, my beautiful, brilliant, kind, caring, spiritual niece was brutally murdered on 122 2019. How does one even begin to start to tell how this has affected my life as well as our family and friends? I would like to start with some background about Chrissy. She loved children. She loved her job and taking care of so many adorable children at the daycare where she was employed. She was passionate and full of love. They say the worst pain is a mother losing their child. I watched my mom suffer through the loss of my sister, 34 years old. And now I watch my other sister suffer through that same loss without Chrissy. And then some with Vanessa still missing in preparation for Chrissy's funeral.

51:32 Our our family tackled it as a team. We each had a job to do and my task was to go to the Gates of Heaven Cemetery and make the arrangements. As we drove that day, so many thoughts were going through our hearts and souls. Vanessa is still missing. When we arrived at the cemetery, we were welcomed by the staff with opening and caring arms. We had to ask them if there is a way they could dig the hole for Chrissy a little bit deeper in case Vanessa had to join her. Your honor, how this murder has affected our family and friends cannot be described. What was done to my niece Christine Holloway is unforgivable and disgusting and that monster continues to lie. Where is Vanessa? How could someone be so cruel?

52:22 I hope that he stays in prison forever, forever and ever so he can't hurt anyone else ever again.

52:28 I swear that has to be one of the most devastating victim impact statements that I have ever heard. especially the part about her asking the cemetery to dig Christine's grave a little bit deeper in case Vanessa had to join her. And thankfully, Jose wasn't spared. When everything was said and done, a judge sentenced him to 65 years in prison. And considering he was in his 40s, this was essentially a life sentence. But we can't forget that this isn't total justice. And this family still does not have answers. Baby Vanessa, who would be 7 years old now, is still missing. And that's why it's important that we keep talking about this case. Jose has never been charged with anything related to her disappearance. However, he remains the only suspect, and he still denies having anything to do with it. And I mentioned it before, but investigators and family members do believe that it's possible that she could still be alive.

53:26 And I have to say, I completely agree with them. I think there is a pretty good chance that she's still out there. And let's remember why they never found any evidence that Vanessa was hurt. Out of all that blood that they found, none of it was linked back to her. And I'd like to believe that Jose is too stupid to hide her that well after all of these years. And I personally do believe that neighbor who claims to have seen Jose putting Vanessa into his car on that Sunday. And I think it was possible that she was then given to someone else. And what was really relieving to learn is the fact that their community really came together to try and find her, which I'm sure meant so much to Christine's family. I I just couldn't believe the amount of prayers and and support from people all over the US that don't even know us and, you know, looking out for Vanessa and the community of Aunt Sonia made flyers and was standing on every

54:27 corner passing them out to cars that were going by of Vanessa. Every store, you know, had her face posted. I was blown away because you don't see that then or now, you know, where people all come together for somebody.

54:43 Now, since those early days, investigators have said that the leads in her case have started to dry up, which makes sense with time, of course, but they have also said that they aren't going to let this case go cold. They're not going to give up. One lieutenant said, quote, "This is not a case that we're going to put in a box on a shelf somewhere. this will remain active until we get that answer. Their community has also continued to spread the word about Vanessa's disappearance, and I'm hoping that this episode will push her circumstances out to new people. There's a Facebook page that I will link below for you guys that I want to encourage you to follow if you use Facebook. They continue to post about Vanessa, and I know that they would absolutely appreciate an influx in following and support. So, if you even want to leave a comment, just say something encouraging and kind. I have heard directly from a

55:32 lot of families that that really means a lot. Neckmech has created an age progressed photo and I'm going to keep it on screen here for a minute for my YouTube viewers because I really want people to be aware of what she might look like. Now, these age progress photos oftent times are very accurate. When I visited the neckmech headquarters, I got to see how they do it. The process takes a long time. They are extremely skilled and so yeah, really try to soak in this image. There were rumors that she might be in Puerto Rico because that's where Jose was originally from, although that's truly just a rumor. And I just have to say, I truly do not believe that his parents are involved based on their reaction to the news. They didn't try to defend Jose at all. I really appreciate that. And as for Christine's loved ones, they believe Jose is fully aware of where Vanessa is, but don't have any leverage on him to

56:21 get him to give that information up. And unfortunately, he really doesn't peg me as the type of guy who's going to suddenly develop a conscience and give her family those answers just because I know they won't stop looking for her, though. And if anyone out there knows anything, the $10,000 reward still exists. Like I said, I do plan on reaching out to their family to connect about getting them a hope grant. And maybe there's something we can collectively do to help. So, if you want any updates on that, you can always follow HigherHop's Instagram at higherh hope.org. And lastly, before I go, I want to share that tips can be made anonymously via a link that I'll share in the description box and show notes of this episode. And you can also call the Ensonia Police Department at 2037351885 or NCMEC at 1 800843-5678.

57:17 really really tough case, but also really important. So, thank you to everyone who watched or listened to this episode. I know that their family probably really appreciates you all taking the time to hear about Vanessa and Christine's story. That is going to be it for me this week, you guys. I will be back next week, but until then, stay safe out there.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Mother Killed & Baby ABDUCTED: What Happened To Christine & Vanessa Holloway?"?

Kendall Ray (Host).

What is discussed in "Mother Killed & Baby ABDUCTED: What Happened To Christine & Vanessa Holloway?"?

In order: 0:00 Midi Health, Christine Marie Holloway, Vanessa, Kendall Ray; 5:00 Vanessa, Ansonia, Jose Morales, Bridgeport, Connecticut; 10:00 Vanessa, Christine Marie Holloway; 15:00 Vanessa; 20:00 Vanessa; 30:00 Vanessa, St. Michael's Church, Christine Marie Holloway, Kiducation; 35:00 Vanessa, PCP; 40:00 Vanessa; 50:00 Vanessa, Christine Marie Holloway; 55:00 Vanessa.

What is mentioned in this Kendall Rae episode?

15 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Vanessa, Jose Morales, Kendall Ray, Christine Marie Holloway, Higher Hope, PCP. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Mother Killed & Baby ABDUCTED: What Happened To Christine & Vanessa Holloway?"?

The episode runs 58 min; the transcript is about 10,126 words in 145 timestamped sections.

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