“I Am Stunning and I Will Survive” (w/ Jeremy Beiler)

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: I Love That For You, Tony Award, Fire Island
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Diane Keaton, Fire Island, Charlize Theron
3. 20:00 – 30:00: I Love That For You, Fire Island, Nancy Meyers
4. 30:00 – 40:00: brendan scannell, Fire Island, michelle collins
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Titanic, anne frank house
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Titanic, bill paxton, billy zane, Fire Island
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: top gun maverick, I Love That For You
8. 1:10:00 – 1:15:01: I Love That For You, Titanic

Notable quotes from "“I Am Stunning and I Will Survive” (w/ Jeremy Beiler)"

• For the last few episodes talking the fast tired we are but you know the fire island press cycle is not over yet no not even close and so sorry by the way sorry by the way it will culminate in the culture.

  about Fire Island · at 2:22

• Weekend is not just the culture awards so basically so this is the schedule for the weekend friday the finale of i love that for you is streaming on showtime oh my god then saturday is the culture awards -huh then sunday at 8 30 pm.

  about I Love That For You · at 5:44

• You know you guys remember something's gotta give of course where diane keaton is playing the player right and like she makes writing look if there's some similarity between erica barry's which is the.

  about Diane Keaton · at 16:17

• And she didn't kind of stand a chance for the oscar that year because that was charlize theron's big monster year it's sort of like when charlie's there and put on a different…

  about Charlize Theron · at 18:16

• That's why i love like you know it's just it's that i love nancy meyers i love dance fires god i cannot [ __ ] wait to see fire island i can't believe i haven't seen it yet and no matter for the.

  about Nancy Meyers · at 19:59

• Done that in like three years and i was going and i just i'm i'm reaching out to brendan scannell's boyfriend joe today because he's a travel agent and i'm gonna be like can…

  about brendan scannell · at 39:03

• Jeremy byler what was that i think for me it was the movie titanic i think it's the 90s i'm like 15 years old and like the idea that like that my personal.

  about Titanic · at 41:12

• This is matt rodgers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey top gun maverick mama i i really tried i really tried super hard for this honestly i…

  about top gun maverick · at 1:05:39

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Bowen Yang — Person · 4 mentions
• Diane Keaton — Person · 2 mentions · first at 16:20
• Jeremy Beiler — Person · 2 mentions
• Charlize Theron — Person · 1 mention · first at 18:18
• Nancy Meyers — Person · 1 mention · first at 20:04
• brendan scannell — Person · 1 mention · first at 39:07
• michelle collins — Person · 1 mention · first at 39:19
  You're going to go to london and then majorca spain oh that means so yeah maybe amsterdam because michelle collins is there i'm going to stop matt i was talking to michelle…
• bill paxton — Person · 1 mention · first at 51:29
  Everything but nothing at the beginning yes and you have like the great bill paxton scenes where like he occupies such a special place in movies where he's always like walking.
• francis fisher — Person · 1 mention · first at 54:57
  The whole scene is absolutely epic i mean it's just it's just i can't and francis fisher is her name for the mother and she never got the credit no never got the credit and she was an amazing episode of grey's anatomy during.
• billy zane — Person · 1 mention · first at 55:46
  Evil like as she served the [ __ ] story yeah well i just want to say billy zane like can we talk about billy zayn what jeremy what's your billy zayn moment i for some i like when he was on in the movie i'd be like okay i'm.
• darcy — Person · 1 mention
• Secret Service Sam — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

• Titanic — Book · 18 mentions · first at 41:18
• I Love That For You — Book · 8 mentions · first at 5:48
• top gun maverick — Book · 3 mentions · first at 1:05:42

Concepts & topics

• Tony Award — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 2:02
  We sort of bring in the legend can we talk about your legendary night you presented at the tony awards you [ __ ] six fiend i presented at the tony awards and i was telling our…

Places & events

• Fire Island — Place · 6 mentions · first at 2:26
• anne frank house — Place · 1 mention · first at 40:01
  High so quick and like me henry and his brother sam were supposed to go to the anne frank house and so we arrived so stoned at the end house and we were like shaking like it's…

Full transcript with timestamps

0:13 now you said you were sort of shook is that going to go what shook you i just saw a tweet from a reader at my say your lady just tweeted at us and what did they say lost cultures to should also know if you click the ellipsis next to someone's be real it will show you how many times they retook it oh isn't that shocking that is shocking shady and shitty can i be real right now and always always with me thank you this podcast has been to be real for six years honey be real more like been real it's actually roller coaster number fourteen honey honey be real more like been real say that actual hashtag lost culture hashtag last culture but i will say i have retaken several b-reels and that's not being real that's not being real and you had the gall to be on here being like i think this is gonna save social media it's getting me to be so real it's still orders of magnitude better than any other social media platform i'm

1:12 actually reaching over with my foot right now to grab my for those of you because podcasts are not a visual medium i'm actually horizontal right now sort of like mariah in her in her um in her reality show mariah's world i'm horizontal on my on my bed in my hotel right now i'm reaching over with my foot to get my phone because i think the reason why i'm getting it is because i don't want be real to tell me to be real and then i i mean what will happen going forward forward we need a plan if if be real happens this episode or any other episode during recording what do we do i think we have to be real we have to be real and i have to be i have to be real right now i really hope that that happens i hope that happens because let me tell you something i want everyone to know what i'm doing right now i want everyone to know about the people i'm with and talking to because i'm talking the legends i'm talking the legends before

1:58 we sort of bring in the legend can we talk about your legendary night you presented at the tony awards you [ __ ] six fiend i presented at the tony awards and i was telling our guest and you moments ago that like we're just again and i know it's so uninteresting this is so interesting this is so interesting no but it's so uninteresting conceptually to hear someone talk about how tired they are and we know we realize the public system and readers that we've been doing this for the last few episodes talking the fast tired we are but you know the fire island press cycle is not over yet no not even close and so sorry by the way sorry by the way it will it will culminate in the culture awards that will be basically the last press stop which is this weekend on saturday and we want to see you all there so bowen and i are doing watford happens live by the time this comes out that'll be out and we're do we're going

2:48 to p-town so bowen can get an award and i can sort of hashtag be there and uh then saturday night is the culture awards and then that's really kind of it that's kind of it and i and that would be a perfect sort of coda and a little little period to the whole thing yeah that would be a coda and a period it'll be coded and a period anyway the tonys i i'm just my body is just like barely functioning and so i did unfortunately feel like i was dissociating the entire time i was there and it was a four-hour ceremony that is long and that is sort of a choice when like when when the tony awards or any awards body is like you know what we're going to do be very long that is a real genuine choice i will say that i read something that made me really laugh about you presenting at the awards i told you about this but they said it was someone who tweeted and said the tony awards audience just reacted to

3:38 bo and yang coming on stage like andrew garfield coming out of the portal and spider-man like yeah like they were just like oh my god it's bow and yang from saturday night live it's you so exciting i was just impressed that people had the energy towards the end of the show because i was presenting towards the end and i'm like everyone's gonna be so tuckered out out of all the performances who tore and slayed and went off the hardest oh my god drakina kalukango was incredible and [ __ ] immediate standing oh as soon as she's done and then her speech was also like everyone was shaking and i had to follow that by coming in i think maybe i think she probably set me up she amped up that entire crowd so that i could come out and be like queen slay a pop star henry the eighth six and then and then it happened this is six oh my god but it was actually really fun to can i i will be real and say is isn't it like our dream to like

4:32 present that not not all i want to do is present not an award but like for like be that be the travolta for the frozen you know 100 that's all i want to do and i i i actually i am a little gagged if i think about it now but yesterday was such like a okay now you go here you go here you go here it was just like really really crazy and mostly the grounding force was eddie valk our stage manager at snl was stage managing the tonys and it was actually really nice to have it there sorry this is some showbiz showbiz biz i thought you looked absolutely stunning like a queen and yes my night was interesting too because i had game show in the at the bell house and thomas by the way everyone's obsessed with tomas now from the episode last week of course and they became an absolutely destroyed game show you have to go on to their instagram they posted their make and entrance which is what the y's queer does at the in the second

5:21 half of the show it's a you'll see and just go to tomasz's instagram and watch their make an entrance it's so iconic but anyway i took them to bubble tea on friday and they were the belle of the ball yeah the main event of course the main event unparalleled star quality beyond beyond beyond speaking of beyond so sort of um what's going to happen this weekend is not just the culture awards so basically so this is the schedule for the weekend friday the finale of i love that for you is streaming on showtime oh my god then saturday is the culture awards uh-huh then sunday at 8 30 pm on show time i love that for you heirs because the thing the interesting thing about i love that for you on show time is it it has its episodes come out twice sometimes even three times and that's what's so kind of queer about the show they talk about how you know like there's actually some you know if you watch the last episode there's

6:16 actually sort of maybe a queer love story starting i don't know um but the queerest thing about the show is how they choose to release the episodes which is sort of everywhere all at once everything everywhere all at once you know it's very queer stuff she's queer steph's shoe is queer basically um what i'm saying is the finale is this week and we have the co-creator really my boss i call him daddy all the time he insists upon it and he is the co-creator of the show i love that for you and really amongst many other things though this is an icon and a legend this is an icon in the legend i was really crushing standing since like the onion days crushing even okay crushing even well it was just like it was it was it was mr beiler not mr bite it was jeremy byler you were like didn't you guys match on tinder no well he i don't think he remembers that oh well i remember you saying it i remember

7:10 because because i remember it oh we can't we can't talk about it yes we can we can talk about anything this is one of the most explicit sexual graphic podcasts out there this podcast has been heralded for it's for the way that it talks about gay sex it really has the podcast has received critical acclaim and many think that it changes the way that gay men speak like sex in the city women didn't talk before that show came out and now gay men are talking to each other finally because of this podcast it's just what wikipedia says it's i thank you for actually inspiring and i don't think so i i have my analytics money for for this episode yes it has to do with i love that for you but i won't bring it up

7:49 you've been liking the words sticky lately you've been saying that you've been saying the movie sticky this yeah i love that for you it's sticky it is sticky okay we actually have to tell our guests about all of the the most perfect moments of praise that matt has gotten from the wildest assortment of people it is true but we'll talk about it okay so we'll talk yes our guest has written for inside evie schumer um a [ __ ] saturday night live ever heard of it um and it basically is the co-creator with vanessa bayer and uh you know it's just just the genius of all time of i love that for you the show that i am so proud to be a part of um and the finale ends this week everyone please welcome into your goddamn ears the one the only jeremy oh my god i'm legitimately starstruck live from space you can hear people like switching to another podcast that's this white man vacationing in europe is the first thing

8:49 that we thought i think that well the thing is you're not the most exotic location that we've talked about from alan [ __ ] was in an australian limestone cave yeah oh [ __ ] this is the leg tight it's the same that's not i have to listen to that one he'll always he'll allen will always one-up anyone like yeah and any of us seems like a fancy like a fancy person who's kind of gallivants gallivants but like has a house upstate like you know like i think i think he he he seems very balanced to me in terms of his creature comforts like he knows how to enjoy everything i once long ago was saw him in cabaret and had a mutual friend or something that brought us backstage into his dressing room and he had like the classic like old hollywood dressing room where there's like his own lamps and like a fridge full of drinks and just so much kitsch and like handkerchiefs and it was just it was really like fantastic he

9:43 feels like one of the people who like still do that kind of yeah yeah he has joadaviv and he is an international phenomenon and that is all true but sort of you know just getting drifting away from that do you remember matching with bone yang on tinder it wasn't tinder jeremy when did we match i don't remember but i'm thrilled i'm thrilled i was working a temp job in midtown uh this is grinder 2012. i can date it oh wow yeah yeah this is this is a decade ago grinder 2020 yeah yeah

10:40 yeah we met at a dinner party that neither of us wanted to shake oh my god you can't ask for anything better you really can't well it was it was tumultuous it was like he was in a relationship i was i was as i said playing the numbers and but i but we were like we just had like an immediate like thing like a moment and but i was like but that actually made me so sad because i had spent so much time just like kind of sleeping around and like hanging out and i was like oh here's a person who i actually like really connect with intellectually very attracted to like he's hilarious beautiful so like that's the thing like the spark and then i was like oh but of course he's taking i was like of course that like this person is not for me and i'm not it's not like me to like like i didn't pursue i was like maybe we'll be friends or whatever and then there was just sort of this undeniable connection

11:34 and he ended up breaking it off with his other person and because of you my gay ass because of me wow that's kind of iconic that's iconic how long it's it's what well i don't know it's it's it's complicated you know to quote who made that movie nancy meyer no to quote nancy myers it's complicated that's actually how long was the period of tumult or complication truly so short you had to meet you at a dinner party that neither of you wanted to be at this it's so like yeah it's so i don't know it feels like a sally rooney book or some [ __ ] like it sounds so nice it was really it was really pretty magical and then we um you know we had our moments you know we've been together forever so we you know it's work baby but it's right now he's like making a fire outside and that's so sweet yeah it is it's um and we right after we got together he wrote a play that was going to be up in williamstown and he

12:42 was going to be there for like several months and then i was going to be in tokyo with a couple of friends for like several weeks so we didn't we like immediately connected but then we were going to be in completely different places and i drove before we'd even like touched or done anything i drove up to williamstown and we had our little you know magical weekend and then he came to tokyo oh i i'm so hot for that wait so you went up to williamstown and you guys [ __ ] it up all up like for the weekend every every every corner of that little town rocks oh my god i want to have a [ __ ] weekend so bad so badly oh my god it's been such a long time i'm having a [ __ ] weekend with someone i really like everyone's bad right now but really what what are you what are your what are your love lives like what's going on can i ask maybe are we both going through something similar where we're being like

13:34 i'm needing i'm needing to release something um and i think it'll be good but i i kind of like for me it's like i i haven't done this in a long time but i sort of let myself like emotionally run amok on something and like it just it's fine i just had like a sort of situ summer situation last year that i thought maybe would continue and is not going to which is totally fine um and for the best and we still love the person but the thing is like it did give me that little taste of like oh i really like someone and like i think i didn't realize how much i kind of want that i've been kind of saying the thing of like oh i'm fine not in a relationship it's better for me to be single you know etc i've been enjoying it but then like there is those little things like i i don't know i'm so much more of a it's like a grasses greener thing right it's like when you're in a relationship and it's it's great for a while then you

14:25 really want to be single and now that i'm not in one i'm feeling those little like nibbles again of like oh i forgot i'm someone that likes to be taken care of and like loved and like i i do have that unfortunate impulse to want someone to be obsessed with me and only me and it's you know what i mean is that what you want out of it yeah well i i don't know i'm trying to stay i'm trying to like yeah to be honest with you because i can promise i i would love to be obsessed with someone else too like i i do crave that thing of like this is my person we're obsessed with each other and like for however long that's gonna last is great but you know i don't know also this summer i'm kind of interested in like just kind of being a capital w [ __ ] which probably will happen life is long honey it's gonna be you're you you just make sure that whoever it is deserves you thank you for that okay you feeling sim i'm feeling sam and yeah

15:15 it's that thing where i really want to be infatuated with someone right that hasn't happened it's exciting and it feels good i know i know um but it has to i wonder what that is people have written about it for ages and yeah yeah we still don't know and usually when people write about things for ages there should be an answer by now but feelings are complicated they're complicated a lot that's real culture number seven feelings they're complicated a lot that was the original title of manchester united you gotta tighten it honey tighten it up even nancy has a first draft you know what i mean nancy doesn't just walk over the final draft to nail it every time nancy struggles you know nancy's there she's typing away she [ __ ] she's drinking her you who's i don't know why i picture her drinking you probably she definitely does she fluffs a pillow [ __ ] she's like sunlight streams into the room no no floods the

16:07 room yeah everyone is drowning in sunlight and they're like nancy they're not going to read the stage directions in the movie it can be whatever it is like just work on the dialogue mama you know you guys remember something's gotta give of course where diane keaton is playing the player right and like she makes writing look if if if there's some similarity between uh erica barry's which is the character's name yes if there's a similarity between erica's process and nancy's process i feel like there's something not quite right about that because it's her and her hamptons house facing the window typing and the writing is not good it seems like i i love my girl nancy but it seems like erica barry is not that good of a playwright like the move the movie playwriting is like not great to me or do you stand nancy i feel like you do jeremy oh absolutely yeah that's the time i got yeah oh my god yeah

17:06 but but then you get in the movies like lines like [ __ ] like dude do you know what this is this is heartbreak how's that impervious huh like are you so good to me it's a guilt to me it's a guilty pleasure to me it's scratching that it's that corner of the brain that's like i want to watch a movie but also i want to like flip through a magazine and it's like i get to do both in the same like two hours which like is yeah which is genius like that's a genius alchemy and i can i just say not that people care about my process in any of this but for fire island like the thing that like anchored the whole performance was i was watching scenes from something's gotta give like the seat like oh i love that like in terms of like the heart like playing the heartbreak of it i was just like okay like it's it's it's erica it's like it's dying eaten like realizing that like like walking away from jack nicholson in the

17:55 house being like oh we should sleep in separate beds like that is such a good scene to me ah oh that is an amazing amazing thing it is so like she's so like like she's she's so oh my god she's she's off the page she's off the page totally she is so good in that movie honestly and she didn't kind of stand a chance for the oscar that year because that was charlize theron's big monster year it's sort of like when charlie's there and put on a different face and gained you know 15 20 and like put on like a mullet to like pretend she was a swamp monster serial killer and then never ever did that again she's like kind of only hot now but that was like the big year for her but diane keaton that's like talk about like like a movie that never would have been nominated for an oscar until someone comes in and like destroys a hundred percent she like took what was there and oh my god that's that's like one of the

18:47 great scenes and she's like for a millisecond she's crying and then she's not it's like that kind of uh yeah a little like nancy stays on her and and then [ __ ] diane goes through like ten different micro expressions and then she goes this was a really wonderful night and then walks away it's so good because honestly honestly that is how it feels yeah like when what that is bittersweet i mean you know what i mean like oh god i start crying it's just that kind of thing of like it was it really was nice but it's also wrong and you feel great but you feel bad and you feel anxious but you also know what it is and it's kind of just like you also feel like you played yourself but also you're happy you did it because it's great to experience all the emotions and then you're like i want to take it back but also you never would you know it's just it's an and it's all coming across in that moment and that's

19:40 why i love romantic comedy so much and that's why it's like like what like with fire island coming out like i keep playing the sometimes cover by muna and i keep just getting so emotional because i'm so happy and proud to be a part of like a great rom-com and like bowen like the scene in the movie where where you get that moment with james like that to me is like what i love about movies and that's why i love like you know it's just it's that i love nancy meyers i love dance fires god i cannot [ __ ] wait to see fire island i can't believe i haven't seen it yet and no matter for the um for the readers matt you were giving just now into the zoom as you were describing you were giving a performance right just now yeah like you were giving it well thanks that was that was really cool jeremy i'm always sort of auditioning for you so you can see what i can do so you put it into the show you know what i mean um can i toss you an

20:30 adjustment yeah always baby tell me and the readers what the dynamic was jeremy coming in with an adjustment suddenly coming with an all like like what what what what's what's up my favorite thing ever i mean like judy with the altars come on no one better city with the alts oh my god she's she's [ __ ] babe ruth yeah 100 percent [ __ ] actually was the one who came in and said i mean probably my favorite moment on the show that i get to do well that that everyone by this time has seen if they're watching it is like the discourse is toxic where when darcy gets his bag finally and then he's posing and with it in the mirror and every sort of rehearsing lines he's going to say to people when he when he can carry this bag and have like a serious conversation with people and we were brainstorming things he could say and sweetie came in and she said just say the discourse is toxic and i was like that is so

21:31 [ __ ] funny so good and i just pictured you two clowns and village just like cracking each other up and it made me really happy oh that was a hundred percent [ __ ] that was a full suitey invention and also that scene the the the pairing to give you a sense of the dynamic bow and like the matt and city together like collaborating just like having a moment having an idea like putting it on screen like we did that was its own thing that was like a constant source of genius for the show and it was like set up knock them down it was it's such a like flow that you guys have it's so beautiful and so funny and that scene is one of my favorite scenes in the show and it's one of the only scenes in the entire show that when we saw the first cut of it that like usually is longer and like includes like everything that the editors loved we didn't change that scene one frame we didn't change a frame of

22:22 that scene it was like this all has to be there it's perfect that's so nice that's matt that's matt that's matt oh stop and that's and that's the show it's the show too i gotta say i just i feel like i i i come to a lot of viewing experiences when i watch a show or something as like compulsory as like it's homework and it never has felt that way once with i love that for you for me it's always been oh great it's friday when it streams or it's sunday when it airs like i get to watch i get to watch a new episode or there's a secret sneak preview that no one knew about actually i i was in new york that night it was like april 17th and the show was gonna secretly premiere on linear um like on was sunday night like after the first lady and i was with bowen and sudy and our friend dave mazzoni and i i was like would you guys want to watch it and that was the same night uh i was on watch what happens

23:10 live so we watched that and then we watched i love that for you and i remember being a little nervous and i were a little nervous because you know we obviously care what they think and i remember bowen turned to me after the pilot and he was like this was such a great pilot this is exactly the kind of show i want to watch and like it made me feel really good and confident like obviously i was always confident but like you know all you want is for your smart funny friends to think it's smart and funny and then he did so that's because of you though [ __ ] i mean you came up with the [ __ ] yeah oh no it's it's it's because of you it's because of a billion people it's so much bigger than the sum of its parts i also i share that like feeling that like that you like it bow and is very meaningful to me because i feel like you are truly a taste maker a genius every i like i like it that is very meaningful to me

23:53 that means a lot i mean it's it's it's just true it's very honest i mean that that that that thing where that thing that i said to mao as in terms of like being the show that like is exactly the kind of show i want to watch it's like it was just the truth and i want to say that it's just such a it's just such a great vehicle for vanessa i know it's like her she's the show but it's like she hasn't like she's just such a good lead for this kind of thing oh she is such a such [ __ ] genius and also like she's the type of person who when we wrote together at snl like it was like oh writing for this person makes me a funnier writer you know what i mean like when you hand when you handle something and it's just like they do like the the 90 of it that's like really making it it just makes you take bigger swings it makes you feel better i'm just like i'm just in love with vanessa uh she's one of the great gifts of my life yeah yeah

24:49 it it really the ensemble like you know we had a good feeling about it but watching the show and this is something so the finale is this this weekend everybody and i i honestly have thought since the beginning that it would make a really great binge so if you have not yet done it you can get the showtime trial and you know you can knock it all out and then watch the finale and i honestly think all eight episodes are gonna feel very cohesive and good together because the arcs are gonna be really fun to see play out in that short little burst and i'm just excited for people to um to see it because the journeys for all the characters are really really clear especially i think with molly i think i i think for me it's like you know episode to episode like watching it week to week is one thing and then i think watching it all together like what's really great to me and there's so many great things but

25:34 something i wanted to compliment you on that i've noticed and molly as well is that there's stuff in the pilot about molly's character and even the second episode that you think oh that's just a molly shannon quirk that ends up like really paying off in a huge character way and in a writing way by the end and i honestly think having seen like episodes six and seven and now eight like it really the seeds are there from the beginning in a way that's like really really cool so this to me is like i think gonna really be a good binge i agree with you that like the show's actually pretty serialized if you want yeah watching it all together i think will be a nice experience absolutely that that is a credit to our incredible writers like truly our writer's room is just [ __ ] geniuses yes they're so great albertina rizzo yes she's crystal jenkins judy green alley levigot jessie klein alley maybe i mean i mean one of the best i i

26:26 wanted to ask you though so something i get asked a lot about the show is um so because you are the gay co-creator of the show and i'm the gay actor role on the show openly openly gay openly gay and we're both openly gay men yeah and we should say that um openly gay and so what i wanted to ask you was something i get asked all the time is like well how did you navigate this not being like just the sassy gay assistant or how did you navigate like this not being like so and i even get told sometimes like you really elevate this part from just being the assistant just the assistant john et cetera and what i loved about it from the very beginning was that like he seemed to be aware of that trope and wanted to remind everyone actually no you take me seriously and then immediately gets treated by jennifer as the assistant and then we see that navigation and that rub in that push and pull but i would imagine that like as

27:13 the creator of this show and as a gay man and as a gay person like in entertainment like that that role probably did give you an opportunity to push that forward so i just wanted to like ask you about like what went into like creating the gay character on the show i'm i feel so lucky to play it because it's so dynamic but like i wanted to ask about like how you approached it you know i think we when we wrote the pilot we just vanessa and i love this idea of somebody who was like struggling for power and just didn't get it and was kind of walked all over and i think like the gay of it all like i don't know that i like thought too much about it and i think maybe that's that's sort of an example of like maybe we stepped into a trope that we didn't really realize that we like should have been a little more aware of but but i do feel like from that i'm talking about like the early stages of it but like from there it's

28:02 like once we knew that it was you and that it would be so much more and that you're just so funny with any scenario that like i i personally don't look at it as like he's the gay one he's the great assistant like even though you know i can see that like i've also got my question too so i think that is part of what we made in the show but i just didn't i just didn't think about it that way i don't know i just feel like he's i do i feel such an attachment to darcy especially after you know on the page i felt it and then times and millions after seeing you play him and we have so many ideas for him so many backstories and so many things that we just even for real estate's sake like didn't get to didn't get to show or had to cut for money like we had this this did you ever tell you about this scene that we cut for darcy where he goes and visits his cousins no what's that oh my god so we had we couldn't afford

28:55 it but so where there was this scene where darcy goes to like a i'm trying to remember the details but he goes to like his cousin's birthday party or something and it's his cousin's kid it's a nine-year-old birthday party and it's at like 10 p.m in like a dirt-filled backyard and like those are so expensive no wonder you can afford it yeah i know i know exactly it was like a location there you know everything has to be everything has to be in these four walls um but so and then darcy like shows up in um you know wearing his like loafers and like just and we get this sense of like him with his family like just very out of place and it's like and then i think originally that was when he bought the bag because he was like reminded that he comes from trash in his mind he's embarrassed about his perfect yeah perfect genius great writing amazing is there a tony left for me i'm gonna make a call i think this is

29:54 the thing like i think people are so easily like programmed with a quote unquote stereotype or a trope that like they think examining it or like popping the hood open on a character level for any like one instance of that trope is like something that they can write off but it makes it so worth i mean it's why like legally blonde is great is because it's like taking this like stereotypical dumb blonde person but actually like excavating like what she is like as a human being i think you guys are doing that with this trip of what a gay man on tv as a character usually is quote unquote and yet like of course you're gonna like like fill out all these different contours and like his life you know like like hearing that like cousin backstory is like makes perfect sense to me and like i'm like i want to see that i don't know yeah and i also think like it's in there enough in the subtext where it's like

30:48 that's sort of i understand him now and i remember in the very beginning like because i had only seen really the pilot i i was and i maybe it's my own like not trauma but like experience with like you know playing roles like this because i actually have played assistance quite a lot i would have you i would imagine that we've all done an assistant i have yes yeah so it's because it's just what we're given so many times and so i think like i was like oh i really wonder where it's gonna go and then when it became what it was and like that there was actual like emotional stuff to go through and that yes it was about this bag but really it's more about like he wants so badly to be taken seriously and to be to prove to himself that he's more than just someone who's secondary like to me that's that's like really rich stuff and i think that you know by the end like what i love about it is he's in such a

31:40 different place than he is in the beginning and so honestly like it feels weird but and it's like this was fire island too but before this i had never ever ever even gotten the opportunity to play a character with an arc at all like the only thing i had ever done was just like come in and like say a joke or whatever which is fun and fine but like you know i think that it's like you work for so many years to get like to get this opportunity and then for it to be so good and like you know i remember towards the end like when i was getting the scripts and just hearing everyone scream in their trailers about how good they all were i think to me it was just exciting for it to be surprising and for it to be layered because i think as like a gay actor like and as a gay even as a gay writer and gay creator who's like had the opportunity to write these types of things for myself like because you're

32:24 experiencing so many times like a limited um amount of things to do like you just don't imagine yourself doing them and so then there i was like in episode seven like playing that scene with perry where it goes a certain way and it's just exciting for me and so i guess like i'm just so grateful to you and thankful to you for caring so much about the character and like you know making it something that's so fun to play and so funny but also to be honest with you real because i get it i understand someone that takes themselves very seriously and like works very hard or not even that they take themselves seriously is very hard on themselves yeah and like i think that in doing it like i was hard on myself and so now to watch it and be so proud of it is it it's it i just i can't thank you enough and like i don't know from the very beginning when i first came in for the audition i felt really good about it

33:12 it's been such a good experience and so i i realized oh my god matt i can't thank you enough truly and also when you walked into that audition it was like there was the role belonged to absolutely it was just not it was not even a question it was just not a question that's so nice yeah and and i so you like but you also like brought that the acting like you brought like you like are delivering the moments in this show like it's not just funny it's more which is exactly what we needed and want and like the fact that you can do that it's just i can't wait i'll let's say i can't wait for like more a lot more if we get to do it well and i don't know bowen i don't know if you feel like this but it's like and maybe jeremy to like i don't know just coming like being true clowns in the beginning of all this you know what i mean like coming from like truly doing comedy like being clowns like getting

34:00 writing jobs like doing what you need to do yeah all right and then but then like but like truly like and then all of a sudden you get an opportunity like this and bowen i would imagine it's like this for you as well it's like you don't know that you can do it no totally like i had no idea i didn't do it like all the stuff that they throw at you for that like we and sometimes i'd read scripts and it would be like darcy is hysterically crying and weeping over this or like this happens it's like i apologize for that no no no but like and then but then you read it and then yeah well literally like there's tips and tricks but like a lot of times like you as a performer and as an actor like when you get those scripts and like oh and i'm sure this is true for you too like you read it and you're like oh my god i'm so excited but am i capable of this like it really is a thing that you go through right like totally

34:52 well jeremy i do but but jeremy um well on set like it wasn't in the script that you were hysterically crying but then jeremy would come in with an adjustment and be like hey can you do anything that we wrote and um do something a little different that we just came up with i love an adjustment and in theory i love an adjustment because that's what the job is and it makes it makes i i started to get less in my head about it like especially at snl where it's like oh no they're they're not doing this no they're not coming in with an adjustment because you're doing a bad job they're coming in because they want to make it work yeah and like that's all it is you know yeah anyway the darcy storyline with the bag i didn't realize how much i related to that until re until like this past episode until 107 where jeremy i i'm sure you can relate to this like any anyone's first season at snl in any job is is very hard yeah and you feel

35:46 like you are powerless and worthless and not valued and so you get you get a decent paycheck for the first time maybe in your life and so what do you do you buy a nice thing for yourself to make you it's it's the retail therapy thing of like making yourself feel better and that is a very human thing that anyone would do in that situation um no matter if they were like the gay assistant anybody would like try to i don't know um just to just just make just just make it comfort themselves with that it's a version of self-soothing yeah yeah and and it it's almost like what the whole show is about in some way too like for that for that which and i participate in it very much so like and jason does too that we're like in an examined way but what am i saying but like but just that that like when you open a box and it's like your thing that you bought you're like for that one moment you will never die you know what

36:44 i mean it's sort of like yeah and then you just send it to the send it to the island in the middle of the pacific it's a show about coping as a means of survival like that's like what is so brilliant about it i think and literally like in terms of like joanna and patricia like surviving um joanna had this new place of work patricia in terms of like her diagnosis darcy in terms of like being treated like garbage at his job and like just trying to make it through trying to make it through this like martha's vineyard trip like it's just it's all i think the allegories are all and it's not an allegory but i think all of the like representative narratives are there in terms of like it all feeding into this one concept that's my take on it at least what's the craziest thing you bought during your okay i was gonna ask you that okay the craziest thing i bought and [ __ ] actually encouraged me because sudy knew

37:38 that i was like struggling she's like you should buy something you should go to sacks and buy something nice for yourself i'm gary richardson too um they're about like go to sacks and buy something nice for yourself so it was in studio like you should buy a pair of shoes so that when you walk around people go oh well there's there goes bowen with his nice shoes you know like it's a way for people to index you or whatever and so i bought like just the most basic like gucci sneakers but at the time that was like the nicest thing i ever bought for myself but that's yeah that's really nice what about you i don't think i i don't think i um bought anything like i think i blew it on like travel like great uh yeah you're like trying those breaks like i just like busted out yeah that's that's the better and then i would like yeah well no and then i would just blow it up like on food on like um like just

38:25 so that i didn't have because you don't have energy to cook anything and you're like you want something like you just want like 30 shrimp for no reason just to like try and feel better and yeah this is this is what makes jeremy like a great like a great creative person is that um he spends money on experiences and not like objects yeah that's it i wish i was like that's how he will eventually go down what do you mean darcy well no no no jeremy no like irresponsible like like travel it's not irresponsible it's like can i tell you all i want right now is to go somewhere far away because i haven't done that in like three years and i was going and i just i i'm i'm reaching out to brendan scannell's boyfriend joe today because he's a travel agent and i'm gonna be like can you help me plan this trip um because i know where are you going to summer you're going to go to london and then majorca spain oh that means so yeah

39:19 maybe amsterdam because michelle collins is there i'm going to stop matt i was talking to michelle collins today oh really she's just in amsterdam now she has to come back on anyway oh my god i'm going to amsterdam on friday damn it for how long what are you doing for like five days we're seeing like just a close friend of ours there and then looking weed okay absolutely it's legal there honey isn't it it's sort of less fun now that like it's like legal everywhere yeah yeah i remember when i went there i was like oh my god i'm gonna smoke so much weed like yes like i don't all the time anyway and then i went there years ago and it was like i got way too [ __ ] high so quick and like me uh henry and his brother sam were supposed to go to the anne frank house and so we arrived so stoned at the end house and we were like shaking like it's too emotional to go we're like we can't that's makes me

40:09 so anxious like you can't go you can't be so high and then go to the frank house you're gonna die but that i would have had a panic attack in there for sure you know that's the experience that millions upon millions of people have had yes i know it's just shaking that was such an anxious trip so i would have been absolutely out of my mind but no i mean it's amsterdam also like such great food it's so beautiful oh my god you're gonna have the best speaking of writing and frank i mean amazing authors amazing authoris she really tore um i'm obsessed with tor and terror like i think it's so funny so stupid

40:53 i think it's time to ask jeremy i think we have to ask stranger the question jeremy the question the central question of this show last cultures is what was the culture that made you say culture was for me this is a cultural moment in your life in terms of movies television theater tony's music something in your immediate cultural experience that made you become jeremy byler what was that i i think for me it was the movie titanic i think it's the 90s i'm like 15 years old and like the idea that like that my personal boyfriend leonardo dicaprio would be in a movie that's like about i feel like i've always kind of also been just like a little bit of a like 45 year old dad who likes history and like so the idea that like this is wait a minute this is like an a bygone era of like glamour and a tale of like high-class low-class upstairs downstairs and it's on this wreck like this this ship sank it is

41:54 like glamorous so personal to me and it felt like that was my like i had a personal relationship with leo dicaprio but the idea that that was like so so popular and so big and so everywhere it was it's actually it was like almost confusing to me that like this thing that feels like mine is everybody's and i had like the double the double vhs like hold it like the weight of a bible you know yeah i remember the costco drop of the of the double vhs and just shelves and shelves of titanic and everyone just like snatching these [ __ ] cassettes it's so that was such a moment like the i'm yeah the release of it all like the imagine what doing press for that was like jesus christ probably two straight years of non-stop titanic press that that that like leo and kate and james cameron were doing like in the whole castle basically go to places to do yeah i can only imagine what that experience was like what that journey was like to

43:03 the point where like i almost feel like i completely understand both of them like afterwards not being like i'm gonna do the next huge thing like basically they offered kate winslet shakespeare in love on a platter and she was like no i am not doing it like i am not doing another big thing even if it's like a slam dunk oscar win even if i'm right for it or i would even want to do it i'm not and leo too did like that weird movie the beach instead of like probably anything else he could have done like well both of them are real actors or like thought that they could be and so they were like let me not continue this grand journey because everything like you just said everything about it was so grand you know yeah it was it was it was strangely meaningful to me can you like go one concentric circle in and and can you pinpoint it to leo specifically or does leo have to go with titanic yeah what's the sense memory you get from

43:53 talking about like what do you smell it's like a little bit it's for sure a little bit sexual whatever the scent for sure of course it's like it's like a little bit like okay this yeah this is a feeling i want more of i am kate winslet yes this is happening to me i will like run i will run down to the lower decks and like swim through the water and like chop off the like the handcuffs with like yeps and i am stunning and i will survive but don't you think that like when when when rose was kissing and licking jack's fingers in the car that you were kissing and licking jack's fingers in the car and you could smell the sweat after the handprint you know like a 100 percent i was yeah i was in that old car yeah um and you could kind of hear the creaking of the ship right and then i but i also feel like i don't know if it's the one thing that i can pinpoint because there's also and this is almost sexual too there's also like

44:50 i'm really into like machinery and like big things and also like things in history like i truly am and like modes of transportation and so like i not only was obsessed with the titanic movie i also had this cd rom like first-person video game like on my power map that was like going through the titanic so i also knew like the map of the titanic and the floors yeah just something about like the machine and yeah it was like it was like i had an orgasm with leo and then like a double when it's like when the the captain's like engage the reverse engines yes it's like that that whole thing i don't know why it's the perfect convergence of all your interests which is leo history machinery glamour yeah glamour titanic was this container for too many amazing things that people love and nothing will be bigger than it in the culture no no never and there will never be a greater director than the great james cameron

45:50 absolutely and the fact that the fact that his at his like most iconic follow-up to titanic is something that had to they had to invent new technology for and there's gonna be seven of and it's like just as long and just as crazy and just as like going for it in terms of emotion even though we can all agree like like no one will care no one will care as much but like we will be there like i'll buy a ticket to avatar for sure yeah but it's just like that the only thing that could top titanic is to like literally leave this world and go to another one and create like another thing because this was maximalism the house down it was i because you talk about like it got little kids or teens at the time to literally learn just the nuts and bolts of how this thing sank i remember having an explicit understanding of what happened when the iceberg scraped the side how the water filled all those containers how why they were unable to

46:51 watertight doors yeah it could only cover five water tight doors but not the six yes and if it goes over the sticks then she'll break in half yes which she did which she did which she did and also the the i remember like reading up on the decision making that was like essentially those lifeboats were really just for show there were not enough like they never stood a chance and like the the like uh egocentrism of like you know what was it um john jacob astor um you know and like all of that like just knowing these names and like researching the characters in terms of who they were based on yeah and contrast of how they were portrayed etc the victor garber of it all i mean it was just so it you you couldn't read or know enough about it exactly and i feel like it was also so smart because it was like it existed in that space of like this is an awful tragedy where you can watch people like screaming and like praying for their

47:48 lives and like fully hurt die but like far enough away and far enough gone that it's like entertaining or something or like there's something like it somehow can be also entertaining and you can like eat popcorn during it like it's not like you know what i mean i don't know why like the titanic just the titanic it's the only tragedy that like lives in that space that's the thing but at the time there were fully survivors like there's no longer any survivors now like they're all gone but at the time of the release like people that had been on that ship were alive but they but they saw the movie as wow like what an incredible thing that like and and we can speak to this experience i feel like that was no one like spoke out against it right i don't know i wonder because remember this is a time when the media was much more controlled by that but by what they wanted the narrative to be so i don't

48:38 know that everyone felt like that i would actually be hard-pressed to believe that every single person that was on that trip was like wow what a commemoration and not oh is that honor what an honor to have leo do this but i think jeremy's right though because i mean not to bring this up but like there were a few people who like sent me messages after i did the iceberg on update they were like oh my god

49:13 i think you're right it's like it's like we all ate popcorn and like jerked off to a movie about this you know like i think there's been enough distance from it now and if there is such a thing i don't know i just there's no there's not i mean tragedy is always tragic tragedy is tragic yeah and it's a mystery to me i don't mean to interrupt you sorry i just no no i don't i was throwing it over to you i'm like right like don't like like you like this is what you're saying i think so i think the just i don't have the answer but just somehow titanic somehow just that one thing is like in the pop like people are so fascinated with it that it becomes this thing that's like there's probably like a ride at disney that's like titanic it's like in that kind of space you know totally totally um and i don't know why i just know that it is i just i also think something that is so important that we have to say is

50:02 it is such an important choice to have her hair be read it is such an important shade of hair color because it is she i think she's the only person on that ship besides her mother who has that color hair right like she is the beauty of the ship she's she's literally her name is literally rose and she's got red hair like even that is just so funny like i like incredibly genius i find it incredibly genius and the script is so the mind the mind of james cameron i mean yeah but that's another thing too is like you almost have to hand it to the script like because we all watch it and we're like lol this script is so bad like ella like the fact that she's gonna be the one that's like yes i noticed that there aren't enough lifeboats no rules this [ __ ] is unsensible but that is how you speak to everyone by dumbing it down so much it's like yes everyone's gonna get this it's star-crossed lovers he's poor she's rich

50:56 they fall in love they they find each other they finally vocalize it the ship sinks and it's a tragedy and it's it's it's based in reality it's like yeah and there's a big song you know the art is the arc is the first time you see her she's in a big [ __ ] hat yep coming out of a car and then the last time you see her she's in rags you know on the ss on the carpathia looking at the statue of liberty yeah that's that's the arc that is the arc for you yes exactly and she's so miserable you know she's just got everything but nothing at the beginning yes and you have like the great bill paxton scenes where like he he occupies such a special place in movies where he's always like walking next to a truck explaining something like explaining how it works and just really you buy it oh yeah paxton rest in peace because he's in another one of my favorite maximalist movies of the night he's twist twister i mean and

51:52 never forget how helen hunt relates this because i i remember being a little [ __ ] watching the oscars that year and thinking it's titanic is gonna win all the academy awards i can't wait for kate winslow to win her oscar for her portrayal of rose and then helen hunt walked up there a tv star and takes the oscar for as good as it gets which probably looking back is the performance of the year probably but i remember being so pissed off that that happened to kate because i had attached to her yeah of course were we not devastated that leo did not show up to the oscars that year not nominated not even nominated it was a controversy it was like really the beginning of the end for him and he he of course he of course was a prior nominee for his um you know portrayal of someone with with with mentally ill yeah i remember that this i this is also and i'm gonna i'm gonna use the word and it's just because this is what everyone

52:49 was saying at the time literally people in the 90s would just be like and leonardo dicaprio's incredibly brave performance as a [ __ ] child like just they just the word [ __ ] was being thrown around so much like so you played a [ __ ] kid in the movie and you were so good as being [ __ ] so can you talk a little bit about how you studied to be [ __ ] he was like well when i tried to be [ __ ] it was just like it was just so funny and you would never do it now and it's such a relic of the past it it's it but the fact that he he clearly wanted it so bad you know titanic for his entire life he has one yeah going all the way back to his true youth when he did truly something that you would never do now which is the most oscar bait thing in gilbert grape to like play a mentally handicapped person which we allowed and allowed and allowed and it never stopped until he finally got his oscar like the lengths he would

53:38 go to to get one so of course he didn't show up this is obviously always been so paramount to him i never put that together oh yeah he's wanted it so bad for solo no really i don't yeah that's yeah i think you're right yeah and i think i think we can print that yeah oh no it's printed like it's actually roller culture number 17. leonardo dicaprio he's wanted it it's like so bad for so long um i think i could spend hours talking my titanic truly i mean there's also so many iconic scenes that are only iconic to gay people such as the scene where um rose's mother puts her in the corset ah yeah i mean you know the line wait when he's gone our choices are never easy you know the money's gone of course i know and then she goes of course i know the money's gone yeah so you want me to go back to being a seamstress you see me working because it seems pretty stressed no this is the most iconic couplet you would see me

54:42 working you would see me working here it is why are you being so selfish i'm selfish the whole scene is absolutely epic i mean it's just it's just i i can't and francis fisher is her name for the mother and she never got the credit no never got the credit and she was an amazing episode of grey's anatomy during season two amazing two episodes of grey's anatomy and season two who was she who was she and gray's in season two what was herself remember remember there was a story at the end of the season where a family of like hillbillies got like hit by a truck and um you know the pregnant mother was dying and had to save the baby and but francis was so [ __ ] good at it and yeah that is that is the performance that that she says lost to the winds she treasures lost to the winds i mean she could bring it in titanic she brought she did she did she evil like as she served the [ __ ] story yeah well i just want to say billy zane

55:48 like can we talk about billy zayn what jeremy what's your billy zayn moment i for some i like when he was on in the movie i'd be like okay i'm looking like next next you were not i don't know i was not i was i was like i think i didn't both didn't like the character but then i also something was like i don't want to watch this man i don't know why because he wasn't really out because he wasn't he wasn't real thank you that's exactly probably right he also slaps her yes and people forget that he slaps her across the face and screams in her face flips the table he flips the table a tray or something and it pretends he's always a while to get out yeah oh god that's right terrible guy also at the end at the end the stock market crashed and he put a he put a bullet in his mouth he put a pistol in his mouth like you find out at the end also like her performance the old woman's performance yeah gloria glorious george an academy

56:46 award nominee for sitting in a chair and being like me yeah yeah i'm iconic titanic even at one point i think it was at as now i don't remember we never wrote it but it was we had a sketch idea for you know how like the um the like the court the string quartet keeps playing yeah like the as the bow goes down it was like that here on the titanic and the sinking that happens and then you pan over and there's like an improv troop that's going to keep bringing you from like take a suggestion like i'm actually not surprised like it's funny that bowen's iceberg thing popped off so much on snl i also was doing a titanic themed bit for years and it's actually still in my stand up every now and then i feel a little self-conscious doing it now because people are going to be like oh yeah here he is doing a good titanic thing even after bowen did the iceberg but i will say about the iceberg there's no

57:42 way it wasn't not that there's no way but it's like it popped off because it's titanic because yeah of course are obsessed you know also like the song is so funny and you're so good because of you like 100 because of you because of what you mean i mean it's [ __ ] genius there is something about being a gay person who like is obsessed with this like that you can't help but think of like sketch situations around it like i remember i i had written a bunch of titanic themed sketches in college when i was in hammer cats with [ __ ] and then in my stand up i do like like a gay guy who was like convinced to go to on the titanic with his like gay friends for their cruise trip and he wanted so badly to be on the mauritania because it had better nightlife and enough lifeboats and there weren't going to be kids and now here they are sinking and like he's so pissed off that he's so cold even though he said this was not

58:25 the boat like a night life and like he's just so pissed off because like the violinists are playing and you can't even dance to this music it's so it's so [ __ ] up and he's just mad at his gay friends uh but i remember like being on like a like a gay trip like it was like a palm springs trip or whatever and like those little squabbles that pop up hashtag fire island and thinking like what about a group of gays that were on the titanic together thinking it would be fun and it's just like like they tried to save money by being in third class and now they're like gonna absolutely sink and like [ __ ] why they leo didn't even talk to them there had to be one gay group on the titanic oh 100 the gays on the titanic were so [ __ ] pissed like oscar wilde and rosie douglas okay he said he's a history bob okay here he is

59:19 we we're gonna figure out if his last name is douglas or not but in the meantime we're gonna do i don't think so honey and this is our sort of iconic segment jeremy um where we sort of pop off for one minute and you've done it you've done a live show i've seen you twirl we do 60 seconds of uh can't believe i get to witness the two of you doing this right now and see your face oh it's incredibly privileged sorry go ahead prepare to prepare um all right so um okay i uh i have one you want you want to go first today because i think i need a second yeah i have one i have one wait has been has be real popped off no okay there's been no to be real there's been no be real that's okay thank god okay thank god um but i was really nervous there because i've been so engaged in the conversation i almost forgot to be honest yeah i was being real here yeah we were too busy being real here to be real over there and

1:00:05 sometimes that's going to happen with absolutely reality do you be real jeremy no in fact i um i truly didn't know what the [ __ ] you were talking about and i as we were talking beforehand i googled it and i look at it now and i uh i'm seeing i'm looking at it like literally as we speak and are you not intrigued this is not for me it's not for you i think i think it's for everyone because it actually like it it solves so many problems that are so like disgusting about social media about instagram specifically where it's like it feels too like it's a brochure yes it's a brochure and so be real is just like you see how boring you see how everyone is just as boring as you are i'm going to get on it i'm going to eat my words actually and get on it i'm coming i didn't i still answer your question i definitely am intrigued i don't want to pressure you but like control over my image is like very

1:00:54 very scary to me i understand being authentic with people is not like i'm not interested in that okay okay then maybe it isn't for you but i think i think it could be liberating like i found it very liberating and it's and so you felt like you follow people and they follow you mm-hmm and then and it's so so what it does what happened so every there's a there's a time a random time that every single day where it goes you have two minutes to post your b-reel and it's a front-facing camera shot and then for your facebook camera and so and so you just wherever you are it's so nice like and you that everyone's looking to feed the same time of each other's reals it's people walking down the street or cooking or just sitting around their house it's just it's just that's actually that's actually kind of genius so genius you're gonna love the way you look i can't guarantee it this is bone yang's i don't think so

1:01:43 honey his time starts now i don't think so honey us not getting to see darcy and perry [ __ ] and i love that for you you just see them make out and kiss and that's it i wanted to see these two hot my friend is hot and jono wilson is hot white men [ __ ] why can't you give that to us i wanted to see that and then you and then you get matt rogers taping up a box with a smile on his face in the next scene no show me skin slapping on skin i want something i want i want these two men to work with an intimacy coordinator and have a good time and respect each other's boundaries and jonah wilson i met him very briefly at that at a screening once he was so lovely i just want i want more john screen time in addition to more matt rogers screen time i can't wait to see how this story ends up i don't can't see i can't wait to see where the story ends um but i just i give us more scenes and tv shows it's

1:02:37 show time come on we saw 100 parishes ass every season on [ __ ] weeds and that's one minute i have to agree oh my god me too obviously of what my my dream for season two is just it opens on uh perry and daryl just parts just body parts [ __ ] for an unbroken five minute shot and it's better have if it's like oh we can't have two guys like we can't have anal then like have like one of eight we can't have anal it's actually it's actually in my contract it's actually in my showtime contract that i have to show my ass if you ask okay so i'm just saying it's a health deal yeah i spoke with my lawyer about it they were like you have to show your ass it's show time and i was i was like i'm good with it but listen my i have many hopes and dreams for what's weird is that's in my contract too um i remember reading in the script that that was going to happen and we we like we're going to shoot it and i remember

1:03:41 coming to you and i think i remember do you remember this i asked you i was like so do you think that they [ __ ] in this product closet and then you were like i think that they do like everything but [ __ ] i think that like they don't [ __ ] explicitly but like i think if they have a good time and i was like okay cool and i just have to like fill in the blanks for myself like and what happened and that i had a fun i had a fun time doing that oh i like i pictured it that it was like that it's like that moment where you finally which i definitely like in college had with somebody in a stairwell or something where you're like we are going to go there and this is not the place right now but like yeah this is hot tbd what what's shadow's background did was he like is he comedy guy did he do he's groundlings yeah oh he's brown oh great he's a [ __ ] genius he's really defined yeah he he really is so funny and he's

1:04:32 he's so he's just so good at the character and he's great energy to the point where like i remember like we shot a scene earlier in the season where it was just like and get me getting like a video testimonial for him for molly's character's like anniversary i remember we went back and forth a couple times and like i did have a little bit of butterflies in my stomach because i do think he's so funny and handsome and i walked away and jesse klein came over to me and she was like i think there was a little bit of chemistry there and i was like do you think and then i didn't think about it until the end of the season and then i had truly like had such a friend crush on him i loved him so much and then i read in the script that it was gonna happen and i remember my stomach went to my feet because i was like oh my god oh no i hope he's like cool with this i hope he doesn't like mind like his he's a straight guy you

1:05:14 know i've never i've never done it by the way he kissed and he was like no [ __ ] way i had never done an on-screen kiss before and he was my first on-screen kiss and so i was just like oh my god like i was so nervous i was really nervous matt it's so funny it's so [ __ ] fun it's not my favorite it's just it's so funny ah i love it too well that's that's why i don't think so matt do you have one yeah sure okay this is matt rodgers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey top gun maverick mama i i i i really tried i really tried super hard for this honestly i don't i think it takes a really long time to get good and like once it gets good it is good and i am standing but the thing is like i don't think so honey the fact that they had like this like beach volleyball scene that they tried to recreate with like a beach football scene and it wasn't nearly gay enough the thing

1:06:03 that's so good about top gun is you have that insane scene of them playing beach volleyball and they're greased up and the men are so [ __ ] hot and the camera lingers on their body and it feels homoerotic was this i don't think so honey and i don't know if it's because now tom cruise is all in his head about being called gay like so many years later and he wasn't in his head about it then but the fact is like this the cuts were so short and sharp and you didn't get to linger on the hottest man in america jay ellis glenn powell miles teller and you're gonna float away from them no i don't think so honey i needed more i needed more i needed more of jennifer connelly like with her perfect hair after a sailboating i needed more it wasn't gay enough for me i don't think so honey and that's one minute because the thing about top gun is it's like it's like a gay homoerotic movie on top of being frustrated

1:06:47 and that's what brought everyone together to to enjoy it as mono culture and i just feel like the thing that was missing was like i was watching it the whole time waiting for the climax and then in the process of watching it i'm like where's the gay [ __ ] you know what i mean and like just having a lady gaga score in the background is not enough like i wanted more visceral homoerotic [ __ ] that is what brings me to top gun and and as a result top gun maverick and i feel like they chickened out of it yeah you have a good you have a decent point yeah i agree but i loved the movie yes you loved it i did yes what did you like about it i love i just love tom cruise i love hunkers i think he's a perfect movie star um he's got so much going on he makes the the most simple like ridiculous little things feels so high stakes yeah like one minute it's it's and the way he listens and he's sort of like clenching his jaw

1:07:41 when he's listening you see the little like muscles in the side of his face he's just so so in the world of make-believe that you're like you can't help but only believe the reality that he's presenting to you there's no way to look away from it totally i think the last great tom cruise movie i saw was unfortunately the end of tomorrow and that was like ages ago well that's fantastic fantastic the thing about tom cruise is he is a great actor and you actually as an actor can learn a lot from watching him because because he is so crazy that he is like an active listener and everything feels very watchable when he's on screen because he is so in it and my problem is not with him and i understand this i understand that in dragging top gun maverick you sort of do drag tom cruise because he is so involved in the fabric of making it like it's everything is always a tom cruise production et cetera

1:08:30 but for me it's just like i feel the movie shied away from one of the elements that whether they want to admit it or not made it really great yeah and you want to see j ellis greased up like kind of wrestling with another with glenn or something and also too many characters like just too many characters that i didn't i didn't care about like j ellis's character at all i didn't really when glenn powell like spoiler alert 15 seconds 15 seconds when glenn powell comes in like saves the day at the end like i get that he and miles teller like had like a like a like a rivalry that sort of mirrors the one that val kilmer had with tom earlier but like it wasn't lived in enough like i didn't feel the stakes of it i also really don't like and this should have been in i don't think so honey but i don't like what they did with the meg ryan character like she dies off screen they barely mention her and i feel it was giving

1:09:16 sexism that they didn't have her back and also like what happened to kelly mcgillis what happened to her character i know she wasn't asked either they just like moved on with jennifer connelly who's like i guess character's name is mentioned in the original but that's not really enough for me i wanted a little bit more connection to the original for the gays and for the women who also enjoy top gun this movie was aggressively hetero in a way that i feel was like heterodrag fun maximalism but the grandeur of the homo eroticism i was missing and i thought that they could have made that gesture that's true it would have been amazing if like when jon hamm walks up to him on the beach he's like we have like one week left for training what are you out here playing football what are you doing he's like you want a team there's your team you just cut to them and it's just full orgy just yeah exactly oh that's fun yeah exactly

1:10:03 that could have been great thank you for that so it is time for jeremy byler's i don't think so honey are you ready sir okay i'm ready okay oh jeremy butler's i don't think so honey his time it starts now okay i don't think so honey qr code menus okay and this is a phenomenon that has been has made it to europe i think we have agreed you cannot catch

1:10:34 i don't want to i don't want to click through to the cocktails and then click back to the appetizers can i please like order like a burrata or a salad or like an avocado toast without having to use face id and can we and by the way classist okay uh um yeah ageist okay my parents don't know how to use a qr code not everybody is on the [ __ ] tim cook t like flashing their thumbs on a little like little rectangle of glass all day like a [ __ ] t-rex i just want a warm glow i want to be with my friends my husband's fellowshipping i don't want blue light this is not a blue light place i don't think so honey and that's why thank you so much and you know what that was topical timely and truthful thank you well there's a real anger within me all you want is your husband and fellowship is that what you said gorgeous fellowshipping friends you know that's a warning candlelight glow and is there anything more relatable than a complaint

1:11:33 about a restaurant absolutely we all understand that this has been but here's the thing you are so correct you can't get covered from it but now it's like you know what's going on it's like oh wow we've really like reduced the like weight wasting the paper the footprint and now i don't think we will ever go back i think that's one of those things that with covert has changed forever i really do is it also the restaurants is it restaurants being like oh this is just easier like maybe not to do anything we just like tape this to the table and then we put it online and like whatever like it's i guess it's more tedious to have the menus but it does for me it takes away from the service aspect a little bit i'm like oh i want i want to be like i want for someone to reach over me and hand me something or take something yes and hand me a thing that's been that's been printed in in my house yeah so it

1:12:17 is just it's a lot to negotiate like like the scrolling back and forth between like brunch lunch dinner drinks it's like you want it on once it's nice to be able to like check your email while you're ordering but you know it's yeah i think i i i'm happy i've been trying to like notice when i have like little feelings like deep within and when i pull out you know when i pull out the and take the qr code it's like there's something happening something happens right and you let that out i'm so glad and i went out thank you for thank you for affording me the opportunity i hope that restaurants hear this restaurant manager this i think a lot of people in the industry listen to this uh podcast and what i want is i want people to start unionizing shaking things up at their restaurant i want servers bus boys bar backs you guys are the backbone of these restaurants so it's your voice that matters let's during the nest staff

1:13:04 meeting let's say something okay say something let's make this bottom up okay let's make this bottom up not top down top down bottom up this has been a top down bottom up absolutely fantastic episode of law school theresa's jeremy oh my god thank you so much thank you for inviting me here jeremy it was a lot of fun the best we're thrilled i feel like i got called to the to like the fun the fun person table like i really feel like was it fun i feel like did you have a nice time do you guys have do you not have fun anymore doing these no we have we always have fun but you're in spain while your husband is like in the yard like that sounds like more fun to me yeah well but here's the thing we're parked for like a lot for like weeks i'm like i'm having all my long days reading my books now is my moment to like connect with the real world and see people that i love and uh this was actually perfect and now i'm gonna go

1:13:57 have a riot oh aspirational life um well we love you so much and the season finale of i love that for you is airing this weekend you can stream it on friday and then forever and you can watch it when it airs linear on sunday at 8 30 on uh showtime uh but this has been great thank you [ __ ] and every episode with a song near

1:14:42 to listen to the rest of that you can get the vhs tape of titanic away in your parents closet somewhere and sort of fast forward to the end of the second cassette and wait for the credits bye

Questions about this episode

What is discussed in "“I Am Stunning and I Will Survive” (w/ Jeremy Beiler)"?

In order: 0:00 I Love That For You, Tony Award, Fire Island; 10:00 Diane Keaton, Fire Island, Charlize Theron; 20:00 I Love That For You, Fire Island, Nancy Meyers; 30:00 brendan scannell, Fire Island, michelle collins; 40:00 Titanic, anne frank house; 50:00 Titanic, bill paxton, billy zane, Fire Island; 1:00:00 top gun maverick, I Love That For You; 1:10:00 I Love That For You, Titanic.

What is mentioned in this Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang episode?

18 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Titanic, I Love That For You, Fire Island, Bowen Yang, top gun maverick, Tony Award. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "“I Am Stunning and I Will Survive” (w/ Jeremy Beiler)"?

The episode runs 1 h 15 min; the transcript is about 15,503 words in 87 timestamped sections.

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