"Maren Got To Me" (w/ Maren Morris)

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Financial Times, Ad Council, Alex Barker, Don Simpson
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Humble Quest, Kelly Clarkson
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Ad Council, Humble Quest, Maren Morris
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Dolly Parton, Ad Council
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Nine to Five, Dolly Parton, HBO Max, Newport Folk Festival
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Kelly Clarkson, Stagecoach
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Ad Council
8. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Maren Morris
9. 1:20:00 – 1:20:29: Ad Council, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

Notable quotes from ""Maren Got To Me" (w/ Maren Morris)"

• Administration and the ad council i'm patricia nielsen and i'm alex barker we're two journalists with the financial times and we've been digging into the adult entertainment…

  about Financial Times · at 0:25

• Thing about our guest is truly in the middle of sort of release of a lifetime because this new album humble quest is so great and you're not gonna believe this like this…

  about Humble Quest · at 5:08

• About like when they're like when they're having a really huge moment you do hear i remember kelly clarkson i'm a huge kelly clarkson and i'm going to ask about second wind but…

  about Kelly Clarkson · at 15:44

• Instagram made me laugh so hard but it was some guy that was talking about tall guys and it just said marin morris really said [ __ ] short kings and i was like is that a is…

  about Maren Morris · at 23:32

• But watching the movie steal magnolias as a kid i only knew dolly parton as truvy i didn't know she was dolly parton the country music star oh wow i just thought she was the an actress.

  about Dolly Parton · at 38:14

• History of time is it so funny you say this i watched nine to five on the plane last night oh this was meant to be i had never seen it before but i do this other podcast for hbo max and we have we're talking about.

  about Nine to Five · at 41:24

• Like she was always on time so the high women the high woman and i were playing newport folk festival in 2019 and the high women are myself brandi carlisle natalie hembe and…

  about Newport Folk Festival · at 44:18

• Like he sells like mansions and hotels but anywho i'm playing stagecoach next week in palm springs and i'm gonna hang out at kyle's house the night before oh my god maybe we need like a recap.

  about Stagecoach · at 56:00

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Dolly Parton — Person · 4 mentions · first at 38:18
• Kelly Clarkson — Person · 3 mentions · first at 15:47
• Maren Morris — Person · 2 mentions · first at 23:37
• Alex Barker — Person · 1 mention · first at 0:26
  The national highway traffic safety administration and the ad council i'm patricia nielsen and i'm alex barker we're two journalists with the financial times and we've been…
• Patricia Nielsen — Person · 1 mention · first at 0:26
  The national highway traffic safety administration and the ad council i'm patricia nielsen and i'm alex barker we're two journalists with the financial times and we've been…
• Don Simpson — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:02
  The definitive 18 episode podcast series on the producer of flash dance beverly hills cup and top gun the maverick don simpson don lived for the movies and tragically he died…
• Brandi Carlile — Person · 1 mention
• Dua Lipa — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

• Humble Quest — Book · 4 mentions · first at 5:13
• Nine to Five — Book · 3 mentions · first at 41:27
• Beverly Hills Cop — Book · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

• Ad Council — Company · 5 mentions · first at 0:25
• National Highway Traffic Safety Administration — Company · 2 mentions · first at 0:23
• Financial Times — Company · 2 mentions · first at 0:28
• Pushkin Industries — Company · 1 mention · first at 0:48
  The adult entertainment industry and figure out who is really in charge from pushkin industries and financial times listen to hot money on the iheart radio app apple podcasts…
• HBO Max — Company · 1 mention · first at 41:34
  This was meant to be i had never seen it before but i do this other podcast for hbo max and we have we're talking about nine to five and i had never seen it and i watched it…

Places & events

• Newport Folk Festival — Place · 1 mention · first at 44:21
• Stagecoach — Place · 1 mention · first at 56:04

Full transcript with timestamps

0:11 you're not gonna get it all right just make sure you know the big stuff like making sure your kids are buckled correctly in the right seat for their age and size get it right visit nhgsa.gov slash the right seat brought to you by the national highway traffic safety administration and the ad council i'm patricia nielsen and i'm alex barker we're two journalists with the financial times and we've been digging into the adult entertainment industry adult entertainment relies on performers to bear it all yet information about the people and businesses who run the industry is kept like a state secret in our new podcast hot money we go inside the adult entertainment industry and figure out who is really in charge from pushkin industries and financial times listen to hot money on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts from iheartradio the don the definitive 18 episode podcast series

0:59 on the producer of flash dance beverly hills cup and top gun the maverick don simpson don lived for the movies and tragically he died for them the la coroner proclaimed dawn's body to be the most toxic corpse in the history of california autopsy season two takes you behind the movies and into the nefarious circumstances surrounding dawn's death listen to the dawn on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and it's yet another testament to shooting your shot in the dms today the arc of this is really beautiful and the trajectory has yet to be finished you know like it's we have a whole episode ahead of us with this person and i mean i've been working myself up over this for a while now ever since we got the confirm patient you have to ask the guest if she heard the episode or the snippet of us drafting a message in the dms to send her because it was sort of like getting

2:05 ready to ask someone to prom you know what i mean it was like i just uh i want to do it right you know i'm not the kind of person who's like hey do you mind reading this email i don't have to like have someone do a pass at it if it's coming from me i want to say i'm not but i am the kind of person who will read and if i'm nervous about an email or something i'm sending i will sort of like casually read it out loud so i'm not like asking like hey can you can i run this by you but i will sort of like do it with the assumption that people will confirm or deny that it's couth babe you gotta kill the editor in your brain you so do you so do because otherwise how you gonna how are you gonna put clay on the table how are you gonna make art you know how are you gonna even put clay on the table first of all first of all i wanna just close a loop from last week my ear is fixed okay everyone i know everyone's concerned my

2:51 ear is fixed i had what's called a miren god of me i just explained it to our guest and then she left the chat and i thought okay i've lost the guests i've grown i've grossed the guest out but it was merely a technical issue however i won't explain it to you the readers you can just look up miranda me and you can figure it out mere economy was she in romy michelle yeah so miranda me played uh romy romy yeah and they're talking about bringing it back that's what's going mirroring and miriami i am so glad that you're feeling better especially because it's um you know we're i i look we we we had a mission beginning of this year to bring more musicians on the podcast because let's let's face it we love music here and we're popping the [ __ ] off in terms of succeeding in that okay i would say so matt do you remember seeing this person in concert do i remember seeing this person in concert i

3:39 literally we went with a this is the thing about a marin moore's show all different people are there you got your country fans and the gays were out do you remember when we saw colton haynes and i was like that's there and he was there my god and i was like sweet boy and i was looking around and i was like bowie ballroom is out for mary morris and the gays are wearing their jackets you know the gays put on their good jackets for the marin marshall the gays put on their good jackets for the marin moore show ryan hurt had long hair at the time remember the chemistry why remember the chemistry i go those two must there must be something going on between those two just like let me tell you something that's two people that's gonna get married and our guest was wearing pre like before it was cool pre let's say her name ariana grande wore a an oversized hoodie and made it look [ __ ] chic it was like heather

4:30 gray it was like it was really really it was black it was black well i'm famously color blind i don't think i think it was heather gray is this like a mandela effect thing like berenstein bears bear and stained bears like it's two different realities two different memories it's literally the dress it's black and gold whatever the dress was remember the dress oh my god oh my god um but anyway i was with you during the dress yeah and i remember i saw i saw the dress as one thing and you saw the dress as another thing and that's when we really knew the dress was going to pop off it was going to pop off and it did and it did we can't tell we cannot talk about the dress we can we certainly cannot talk about the dress while the guest is here because we could just keep going about the dress and the thing about our guest is truly in the middle of sort of release of a lifetime because this new album humble quest is

5:15 so great and you're not gonna believe this like this podcast it's critically acclaimed okay pitchfork is gagging all the girls are gagging i mean it's just so good and i've been a fan since obviously the album hero and i think i remember i remember she came to snl were you there when she was at snl i was not working there at the time but i remember when she was a musical guest i was like i gotta tune in and iconic and we talk about 80s mercedes on this show all the time about how it was a watershed moment but just to sort of run through the credits if you're living under a rock i mean just grammy winner five-time cma winner five-time acm winner i mean just an incredible incredible not just country music crossover artists there's r b influences in her music there's pop also a member of the high women i mean this is just like truly a get for law school to reach this i don't think that there's anyone better tbh tbh

6:10 no one better we're so excited she's here please welcome man oh my gosh i wanted to chime in so many times and you're pleased please i cannot i did not know that you guys were at the bowery show it was amazing really because i distinctly remember that was my first like real time to headline a new york city show because that was the hero tour and we were in clubs yes so doing the bowery i remember for the first time really getting to see my crowd yeah i think it was one of the first shows of the tour so i didn't know what my crowd looked like yet i'd only done you know radio and streaming so doing live performances is a different model and so getting to see like you guys were in that you were like the guinea pigs you were the guinea pigs of the tour marin but i remember there was this like gay guy in the crowd maybe it was one of you um some guy had perfectly choreographed an entire routine to

7:09 my song how it's done yeah every word had a motion to go with it let me show you just gagged you probably didn't even know you were making music that could have choreo attached i didn't no i truly didn't at that point um it was still done it was like and also i was like blown away because the thing is like when you listen to your album there's obviously so much like character in your voice and you have such you're such an incredible storyteller i didn't know you had all these runs like the dexterity in your voice like i we were looking at each other like [ __ ] is singing down like you really were like killing the vocals like not that i didn't know that but like your live singing is insane oh thank you i uh that's such a huge compliment i it's just tripping me out before even coming onto this show because i i'm a fan of both of y'alls but matt like i followed you years ago because i remember it was i don't know

8:13 if it's still up but you did this parody of the lover track list did you take it down i took it down but you might go back up just because you know it's like you can only parody someone that well when you love them you have a deep like absolutely deep respect for their craft but matt i think you might actually be a songwriter because the one that i showed ryan we were on vacation and you made this whole track list up in your mind i think maybe before the album was actually out but it was the one where you're like whoa [ __ ] did you see her

8:52 yeah that was actually the opening track of my lover parody album as a result as a result of this i am going to put it back up because people did get into my dms and they were like where did it go you have to put it back up this is how i expose people today it's your greatest hits i mean i want to have access to them at all points but no that was when i started following you because i was telling ryan i was like this guy made an entire fake track list and is singing hooks that could i mean i don't know if i can say it but if i'm quoting you yeah you can say you can say [ __ ] pals facts i think the hardest we both laughed like all year was that oh my god but i would be oh my god i would be honored if someone went out of their way to do an entire parody of my album track list i mean it was brilliant as just a songwriter myself who was like in the public eye i mean oh my gosh if someone did that good of

9:46 i mean i wouldn't even call it a read but i mean it was it was just perfection and your your melodies were just i mean tough well that's very kind i'm partial to gay rights because i mean are you are you do you have phone no graphic memory or do you do you kind of like have this like ear for just any little sound that you can replicate well i've also listened to his version of this track list many times it's not phonographic but is that the one uh featuring ann dowd oh my god okay wow yeah sorry to i'm fangirling on that one is it sort of iconic that we get you on this podcast and you talk about my music yes but you're talking about backpacks i refuse to i refuse to continue all right sorry i'll tell that we're i'm done germain but it was just oh my god what a great what a great thing that's taste that is tasty thank you i have to say like i'm obviously a fan of all your albums but this album humble

10:53 quest like bone and i have been um listening to it and i just think like lyrically especially this is like your best i mean background music when i heard it i was like this to me is the best song you've ever written like that that's like how do you feel in terms of like as a songwriter looking at your own work because i also i also sense in your lyrics that you're you're definitely a self-critic and hard on yourself especially in like you know i can't love you anymore in humble quest like i can tell that you are someone that's self-critical how are you feeling about like what you've done here i think it's the only way i can like stomach doing such a self-indulgent job is especially through like country storytelling is just to poke holes in the balloon and just laugh because it's just i mean the last two years have been tough for everybody but everything especially in the touring industry

11:45 which is going to be you know fractured for a long time and is rebuilding but i mean it was just going on such a toxic path downward and we were all so addicted to it and just kind of getting used to it always looking like that and now i think the only way i could have written this album is out of just having this sense of levity and knowing that you're not in control of anything i can't believe you thought you were um you're not that cool take it down a notch i think like it was just humbling all around to be like i can't tour i had you know my son at the very beginning of covid i had right you know an unplanned you know emergency c-section there's all these things that were out of my grip and you know i was like god i'm gonna kill myself if i keep taking it this seriously it's just not good for me i don't think it's breeding the best art the best lyrics the best honesty from me and i'm kind of becoming

12:49 a pill to be around so i think just all of it made me be like you know what i'm lucky to get to do this for a living and have people that buy tickets to my shows and listen to the records but i cannot do this and treat myself the way i have been any longer if i want to have any longevity here and so it just made me loosen my grip and start to laugh at things and just not take it so seriously in a time where everything was so serious and um yeah i think it allowed me to maybe access even more vulnerable parts of me to to write on a page that's really apparent i think i think i've heard you say with this album that because touring wasn't like a prospect you weren't sort of beholden to this deadline in terms of songwriting and so was it was this journey that you had with not having touring as this like uh thing in your future being terrifying scary throwing everything into question about you know the way you work that

13:52 eventually became something kind of liberating and that you were like well i can actually write from a place of like not worrying about when i get to perform this or how i do it or like was that was it fair to say that that's like the arc of that yeah it was kind of the first time in a very long time i didn't have a deadline to get anything turned in no one did and i remember the first few months of people starting to write via zoom i mean my husband was doing it and it just looked so depressing to try to write a song through this screen and to not be able to connect with people on a vibrational level i mean just being in the room with someone trying to create sound is just so hard to do through a two-dimensional screen and so yeah for the first six months of quarantine i was like what is the point like if we can't play these songs out live like does the world really need another song written today

14:41 and um yeah i think just eventually that bitterness wore away and i was like actually maybe i should give a you know give it a go because there's no there's no pressure sure once and it was almost like when i made my first record it was like you kind of like the old saying is you have your whole life to make your first record and you have five minutes to make your second one because like there's just no expectation on you in that first record it's like you're just like shooting in the dark and yeah you have no nothing to live up to yet there's no bar set so it's really freeing and yeah i think that it it was this was a lot more fun to make than i would say my last record uh just even though i love girl and like the bones ended up becoming this crazy thing that none of us could have foreseen um i don't think mentally i was in like the most healthy space just touring constantly and yeah making that record

15:41 but um you hear a lot of people say that about like when they're like when they're having a really huge moment you do hear i remember kelly clarkson i'm a huge kelly clarkson and i'm going to ask about second wind but um like she talks a lot about how when she was at her apex like her i guess imperial phase pop stardom was when she was like felt she was gonna die every day you know it's it's really hard to manage that expectation your own happiness your schedule and so it must be kind of cool to have that literally nature and the universe say you're slowing down yeah yeah yeah and i think it just ended up reading better art and i'm not even just talking about myself i mean i'm biased because i wrote it but my friends that put records out during this time i think it was their best work because i don't know it's just it kind of the silver lining of kovid was that at least on a creative level

16:33 i mean we were just allowed to breathe for a second and not tie our value or our worth to the applause and flowers that we get and like that kind of immediate hit of attention that we all crave and desire and get addicted to we didn't have that so it really was like do you love this do you love this enough to keep doing it and some of us said no and some of us you know said yes and stuck in the ring and i think that a lot of my friends put out my favorite works of theirs during this time do you mind asking who yeah i wanted to check out so ruston kelly is one of them yeah his second record was so i mean both records are incredible but and also like i don't know her but i'm obsessed and it brought me and a lot of people out of our coveted doldrums was like that do a liba future nostalgia right yes especially now looking back you really realize how important that album was yeah and not that she made it during the

17:28 pandemic but she was brave enough to like put it out during such an uncertain time and make like spin gold out of it it's like such a crazy chaotic window and it ended up becoming one of her biggest records and you know most hits of her career and it was just such a piece of it's just such a sliver of sunlight and in all of our worlds that was one of my favorites of the last couple of years i mean just things that kept me inspired to to get back in the writing room honestly yeah i i kind of have this jealousy over you or anyone keying into a way of working and writing without a deadline because i don't know if matt you agree with agree with this but if i don't have a deadline it's kind of not going to get done i don't know it's harder it's hard it's harder and so i and so i think maybe part of it is like approaching it differently and going well this is actually the best case scenario in some way like where i

18:22 get to just do whatever i want rather than be like overwhelmed daunted by this concept of well you're not like beholden to any timeline so you get to like be as indecisive like like if if it brings out like the worst creative instincts in you in terms of being indecisive then like that's what you have to overcome but if you're already like in the pocket creatively and this is not to say that you've always that like you don't have moments of like you know like figuring stuff out as you go but like i think that just speaks to you in your process that you get to just see that in a very clear way to go i don't have a deadline this means i can actually kind of write from a liberated place yeah and listen i i'm i kind of live in both worlds because i do need structure because i'm not a very self-motivated person if i just have all the time in the world to write an album or a song even like i i do need some structure

19:11 like i would be incredibly and i was a failure at homeschooling like in my senior year of high school because i just didn't even finish it because it was all online i was like could you i'll get i'll get to it next week and i never did so yeah i ended up having to go to the three-week high school with all the like pregnant girls so that's kind of cool it was i felt like such a badass i finished high school in three weeks with all the with all the knocked up girls but yeah i i do need some structure yeah yeah totally totally but but i mean i think that what covid in just those two years of adapting taught all of us is that it was extremely imbalanced where it was like you know live to work live to work live yeah yeah totally betrayal is a new podcast that will make you wonder how well do you know your partner this is an extreme case the masterful manipulative way there were no signs this is the story of jennifer

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22:18 radio app or wherever you get your podcast new episodes every thursday what i really really like about this album too is it's like because especially following girl and like you know the middle which is like a like a psycho pop song that was like everywhere it's we have the humble quest album now and it you still make us feel like we're listening to you in a bar you know what i mean like this could be an album that like really reads with like 30 people in a bar like in everyone you know like applause after each song like i'll sip it between our drinks you know it feels like it's an album for that atmosphere too not to say it couldn't be played in arenas which humble quest tour 2020 is is happening which is so exciting but like it feels intimate and also what i love is it's it's still and what i love about your writing is the humor like tall guys like truly dragging the short king phenomenon and i know you say you love

23:10 all types but it's just so funny and like i don't know you're i just something that i think makes you quintessentially country too like is the humor and i don't know is that important i had not until i put their record out i learned what a short king was i put tall guys out it got released because the record was out at midnight and then some tweet i actually put it on instagram made me laugh so hard but it was some guy that was talking about tall guys and it just said marin morris really said [ __ ] short kings and i was like is that a is that its own phenomenon like i guess oh yeah short kings are pop having a real moment right now but it's short king's spring and so it's time-bound it's like it implies it's going to end soon like no shave november like it's exactly seasonal it's seasonal short kings it's seasonal kings tall tall guys are are evergreen you know yeah unfortunately because they're always going to be able

24:06 to reach the top shelf that's a good line maybe for the new york show is like short king spring but tall guys are evergreen yeah there you go you'll get a possibility um i agree with math there's that there's that irreverence there and like and it's interesting that you were saying earlier that like you are kind of you know not that you set out to do this but like that you're you're kind of poking holes in like the and the balloon of it all of country music because i think i think circles around this town is one of my favorite songs about like the process like you're writing anyone's writing process i don't think that gets sung like none of people sing about their writing process and i know that sounds meta but there's this other metal layer with background music where you're like this is what i inspired my music to be is to like be like either it's played in the background or it works in the foreground of something

24:56 like that takes a lot of confidence i think is a song ready to go i'm actually very cool with my songs being played like as an undertone or ambiently yeah and that song will background music specifically because my husband and i are both songwriters and that's how we met you know nine years ago in nationals you know even though the song is very you know honest and it's a love song it's talking about you know us being has-been someday like right whether that is gonna be true or not like we love to joke with each other especially in the last few years we're like oh my god like these few number ones we've had under our belt what if that's it and what if it's just us for the rest of this life and i just decided to spin it into a love song with background music because i was like i don't care i don't care if you get another number one song or you get this nomination or i get to go to this or what have you it's like i

25:57 just don't think it adds any more specialness or value to our relationship as you know friends and we don't have a son now it's like it just doesn't it's not as valuable to put our worth and things like that but we do love to joke like oh yeah when i'm like playing in the casinos and i'm 90 years old and you have to like wheel me off stage because i'm never going to retire like someday like that might actually be a very real concept and then even further than that when we're both dead like will these songs still be played like maybe that's our legacy it's not like our memories are even our kids kids it's like the work that we put in was it was it special was it timeless will it be played in 100 years if you just don't know it's so specific and special and just the line not everybody gets to leave a souvenir like it's it's like acknowledging each other and like what you guys get to do together and it's

26:53 really it's specific to you guys but it's it's like romantic and evocative for everyone and when i heard that song i remember it came out before the album and i just played it again and again because i was like i mean i've always been like a such an admirer of your writing but this was just like it was it was it's so great it really it really it really moves me thank you yeah i love it furthest thing just another just like sweet tender song like and whatever this is my like literal read on it but like about distance and um and yet still feeling this like closeness this proximity in spite of that like i don't know these are i can't think of a lot of other songs that like touch on these things in the same like poetic sense that you kind of get to evoke out of them like it's really i just it's such a great album and like we're i think i i think we're just like gonna keep fawning over you for a little bit

27:46 longer but like it's just so good well hit rate with exposing mars two people is like a hundred always drill kim booster is a very close friend of ours he's a comedian and we were playing um we were driving back from palm springs and i played him hero and he by the end was a stan like and our friend our friend sudy just reached out to us and was uh to text me was like i love mary and morris i was like where have you been and then i realized like you know it's just i don't know i feel like as more people hear it and already so many have obviously that thing that you said is going to be true if that music lasts because it really is well thank you i i'm always and it's not false humility i think because country music in so many ways and you know i've been able to tour you know all over the states all over the world south america europe what have you but in a lot of ways country music is still very

28:36 niche yeah to people so it doesn't shock me that you're saying that someone was like probably not going to listen to this on their own accord you had to be the one to tell them no actually go check it out yeah and then they do and it's like i i you know having done songs like the middle and you know been in the high women and you know just having you know my own solo success i feel like just my music has always been genreless even though i don't think it sits in country music comfortably i i think that i'm happy to be the gateway drug for anyone that would turn their nose up at country music to be like wait a second i actually might might like this such a huge compliment because it it transcends genre lines in such a powerful way which it should yeah and another thing about you which i think is really really cool and really important is you are sort of like a huge voice for gender and racial equity in

29:35 country music and at large like and i just think that like you stepping out especially like sort of as you know i think probably one of the muse women in country music that gets played on the radio the most and i know i've heard a lot of people speaking out about like you need to play women on country music like et cetera and you are played and for you to be like people need to be listening to mickey guyton like people need to be listening to all these people and then to see her embrace like i was bummed to see her lose the grammy a couple weeks ago but like you know it's just really cool to see and i think that's it's it's important and i wonder that must have been like if maybe it wasn't difficult for you to come out and say that well i don't i don't know if everyone this is a very hard industry and yeah i feel like the music business is a lot of times more business than music and not

30:22 everyone gets to sign up for this and say i'm gonna also be this activist but i don't think it's activism i think it's even if you are played and you're one of the few that got chosen to be played on the radio like sticking your neck out and not counting your dollars is how i'd like to go out like i just yeah yeah i don't know i don't it's so it's so finite isn't it like you don't know how much time you get here you don't know we call it like a 10-year town maybe i get like a 10-year run of doing this who knows but i'm gonna pretend like this could all be burnt to the ground in a year and uh maybe it'll i'll be the one with the matches but i feel like it's it's just so stupid to like keep your mouth shut about things that just visibly make you uncomfortable yep like physically make you ill just like say something so it's my job as the person with the platform to be like i have to make this a safer environment for

31:20 everybody like not just women like people of color lgbtq like all all perspectives to feel like they can be housed here and be safe for two hours yeah that's like that's just like push pull of like being specific like i'm sure you write songs in a way that is meant to relate to other people's experiences but then it's also it should be personal it has to be personal um and this is just something that a lot of artists do but i think especially in country where you kind of it seems for whatever reason more conscious that you go let me really like put a mold on like how i want um my music to be received let me really be specific and yet also on some level universal with so many things i feel like you know i always always not to generalize but i always end up liking country musicians in the way that they work because because because there is this like super structure for better for worse in terms of like how country music

32:19 is run in terms of like the songwriting and in terms of like who gets you know paired together or whatever you know i feel like there's something nice about that and yet there's also something that you kind of have to destabilize just a little bit in order to make it feel like fresh and new or different yeah does that make sense yeah no totally and i was just thinking like in my genre that i am at home in i look at you know it's kind of already beating the odds to to get any radio play or just anything is always kind of attached to me also being a female like oh she broke this record but she's only female to have done it like she's not quite in the the world right right but um but then i look at like the things that i get to do because i have made my way of thinking known it's like like doing the high women like being one of the few like country bumpkins that gets to do snl as a musical guest like that was such a

33:19 moment like working with like john mayer and elton john and like taylor and like just all of the things i've gotten to do zed like it's just been crazy like the things that i get asked to to be a part of not just because like i'm country as a genre but because like maybe they heard a song of mine or my album but they also like saw me give an interview in playboy yeah yeah there's just these things that like are kind of outside of the scope that you know i've taken risks on and even like doing not that this isn't right no no truly but even getting asked to do this and like i don't invite everyone on this yeah right and why would you want to it's like such an amazing like y'all's conversations on here so elevated and so funny and i had so many people reach out to me when you guys like i saw your dm but i it was but i think it was before the episode aired maybe but i had so many people like the night uh my album

34:17 came out or maybe the next night saying las culturistas they they talk about constructing their dm to you and uh i was like well i immediately responded oh but the thing is like i don't know i i think especially at the time when you when you did dm after the taylor thing i was like i literally was shook because you you really were in my like top rotation like ever since i found you like you really are one of my favorites and then i told everybody and then what the second everyone listened to your album like all my friends wanted to go to your show and then we did and had the best time and we're bigger fans then so just know that like you've impacted us immeasurably in terms of us enjoying your music and like what you do and how you do it so just can't say enough betrayal is a new podcast that will make you wonder how well do you know your partner this is an extreme case the masterful manipulative way

35:19 there were no signs this is the story of jennifer and her husband spencer they were college sweethearts that fell in love again later in life she taught her husband awarded teacher of the year as the man of her dreams jennifer came to learn that everything she believed about her husband was wrong he slit a piece of paper to me it said search worn on top police arrested kell high school teacher spencer herron on the new podcast betrayal jennifer will explore his crimes uncover the lies and will even hear from spencer himself this is a direct pay call from an inmate at the cherokee county jail listen to the trial on the iheart radio app apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts if you can plan barbecues and weddings you can plan to protect yourself from a natural disaster sign up for local alerts prepare an emergency kit and make a family communications plan get started at ready.gov plan brought to you by fema

36:21 the ad council hi everyone i'm katie couric i've been covering the abortion debate for the past 40 years i've always thought there were two sides of the issue but there you go see even in that statement we have been trained to both sides it it's not on both sides that's actress and advocate busy phillips the story of abortion in this country has always been a complicated one and there's never been a more urgent time to dive into this issue the pro-choice framework assumes that you have choices this june i'm bringing you an in-depth six-part series on the history and future of abortion access it's called abortion the body politic i consider my abortion the greatest act of self-love that i did join me on this journey to understand how we got here and how we can ensure that reproductive rights apply to everyone roe v wade was never meant to be the end point it was meant to be the floor you can find abortion the body

37:21 politic on the iheart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts new episodes every thursday we want to ask you the question isn't that right though this is a question okay no one ask it marin what is the culture that made you say culture is for me this is a formative piece of pop culture it could be a movie a tv show an album or it could be like the town you grew up in it could be like the school you went to it can be it's a pretty broad yeah it's yeah it's really user's choice okay uh there's a few but i feel like um the movie still magnolias was the movie because my mom's a hairdresser and oh my god so yeah i grew up basically like my sister and i we grew up in her salon and we would get to like style the mannequin heads and you know that was my first real job was like being a receptionist for her salon but um watching the movie steal magnolias as a kid i only knew dolly parton as truvy i

38:21 didn't know she was dolly parton the country music star oh wow i just thought she was the an actress and then through a movie about southern hair uh-huh and diabetes um i found dolly parton yeah and her golden light of songwriting and feminism and just all the things that she has done over the last like 30 40 years um writing the most beautiful songs in history but also such a diversified human like she's team park she has a theme park who can say that no one uh no one so i just was i think that was what made me think okay wow country music is [ __ ] cool yeah if they have her at the at the helm and then also not that i've like done any movies or anything like that but i was like she got so much [ __ ] in the 70s for going pop crossing over yes yeah and there's this amazing very passive aggressive interview with barbara walters that's iconic with dolly barbara walters did passive aggressive

39:30 like no one else sexually rule of culture number 103. no one else no one else is exactly the energy you're talking about and dolly is clearly like a little uncomfortable a little annoyed throughout the whole thing it's kind of like that's so poised so poised sweetly laughing off like all these condescending [ __ ] questions and then what was the answer that you were gonna talk about well i mean i can't remember specifically what barbara asks her but it was just like she's talking about bringing country to like a lot like a wider audience basically right yeah she's like what do you think about like the people the fans of your own genre that you know made you like are you biting the hand that feeds you by going pop and she was like i'm always going to be country music dolly is country but i want to bring dolly to the world yeah and i was just floored and i still go back and watch that every few months

40:19 because i feel like in my own way and not in any way shape or form comparing myself to dolly but having you know worked with her and also just come up in this genre and have done many different kinds of projects over the years i just always think about i'm just trying to bring me to the world like i don't i'm not beholden to i'm not gonna be shackled to anything against my will i'm gonna stay have a foot here because i love it and i respect it and it made me the songwriter i am today but i'm i'm not gonna be beholden to it like it's only going to cap my creativity my my honesty my worth and so yeah i i think that's what like that movie weirdly still magnolia has made me just i mean for it's iconic for hundreds of reasons hundreds of reasons shirley mclean olympia de caucus alone i yeah but yeah it kind of opened me up to country music in a way that i i didn't find it just through music i

41:15 found it through this this film from the 80s yeah it's really really iconic a drink or do shelby of course a line for the history of time is it so funny you say this i watched nine to five on the plane last night oh this was meant to be i had never seen it before but i i do this other podcast for hbo max and we have we're talking about nine to five and i had never seen it and i watched it and she really is like she's great on screen oh yeah i and the my favorite thing and it's so her is the way that she wrote the song nine to five for that film and i can't believe it didn't win the oscar like that song did not win but it was nominated but the reason i don't know if it was like the typewriter or it was like her acrylic nails she was like doing this one day in her trailer she was like yes in the kitchen and like she did it with her freaking fake nails yes wrote a song that's so so legendary

42:14 is there like a legend that like um i think when they were bringing it to broadway or something she like went to new york flew to new york thought that she had to like write the entire show and present the entire show like all the songs in the show to the producers the next day so she stayed up and wrote basically the entire show for the musical version and then showed up the next day and like the producers were like floor that she brought like a completed a score a full score all the songs all the written all the lyrics basically written out and the music arranged and they're like you didn't have to do all that like from the jump you know like that's just dolly even the film nine to five she says like in one of her interviews that's older she talks about showing up day one on set with like jane fonda lily tomlin she had never been in a film before so dolly thought it was customary to just

43:05 learn the entire script not just her lines she literally knew every person in the film's lines including her own and they were like oh no no you just need to know yours for just in case if someone needs help on set that is very harassing too yeah yeah it does yeah just overachiever like there's something like i have to go back to this all the time like it's about the work and not to be like not even in like a capitalist sense but in the sense of like you should you should like there should be a relationship with the work that you feel like you're enjoying it that there's like a craftsmanship in it you know that like you're getting in there and like getting your hands dirty i'm sure we relate to this on some level with songwriting i mean matt and i relate to this in terms of like writing like anything comedic or anything um in that vein but it's like dolly like always reminds me of that always it's

43:56 always dolly that i'm like in a field that i have nothing to do with in music but i like can look to and go wow that is like aspirational in so many ways yeah agreed what was what was the experience of meeting her like i'm sure she adores you like and what's your what's the relationship there and what was it like meeting her i mean i will say she was extremely punctual like she was always on time so the high women the high woman and i were playing uh newport folk festival in 2019 and the high women are myself brandi carlisle natalie hembe and amanda shires and i had never played newport folk festival but it's like this legendary folk festival where you know bob dylan went electric and you know chris christopherson and johnny cash met backstage it's just and joni mitchell played and james taylor it's just like a really iconic festival and dolly in all of her decades of just being an icon had never played it and so

44:51 as a surprise the high women were going to be closing out the festival and it's sunset on sunday last day of the festival you're overlooking like the harbor and we get to introduce dolly parton and the place just went ape [ __ ] i mean she came out in this yellow of course it's like archival um nudie suit that has like wagon wheels all over it i think from her days of working with like porter wagner and she's so tiny but we had done rehearsals with her in nashville the week prior so just like it still gives me chills but we were working and rehearsing with her at rca studios um in studio a that room and it's the big room and that's where she recorded i will always love you and jolene and i don't think if i recall what she said she said she had not been back in that room since she recorded those songs whoa so record like rehearsing with her in that room was just i mean it could all end tomorrow and

45:54 i'll be able to say that i was in the room with her that day but she's just so lovely she i mean she definitely like likes a swear word i love that though i love i love when i find out that someone is a secret potty mouth yeah i love it yeah and i mean she she's just such a like i don't know but it's one of those people whether they truly remember you or not they made you feel like they did yeah and so i don't even care to know if she did or not i was like she makes you feel so special and she lives up to such an impossibly high reputation right an expectation and she exceeds it so i just there aren't enough glowing things i could say about her but she's she's dolly not to get too like existential but there is something so crazy about like you being in that room with her and her having some like hugely impactful effect on your life that you would end up in that room does that make sense

46:59 like kind of coming back looking back like well that like she's kind of you know she's part of the reason why you are there with her that she's part of the reason why you do what you do is that fair to say that like part of your artistry as a country musician has is is very tied to like the way you admired her growing up oh yeah i mean just i can't step for step like model my career after somebody's but if i had to it would be her and you know to this day i mean in such i mean it's still very male dominated you know nashville country music but in a time where it was especially taboo to even talk about it she was charming and disarming her way through these like corporate suits and making everyone love her like i'm sorry i i think i have a pretty good sense of humor i cannot be as funny or quick as her um like she's not an icon it's not my superpower but yeah it's just crazy to to kind of have all these you know

47:59 ends tied up for me and like getting that chance with her and just i don't know like for a few hours getting to soak her in was just something that like i don't think you know six-year-old me watching steel magnolias would have ever fathomed but is one for the books i will say i am excited for your theme park though i'm excited for your theme park like the bones haunted house like uh wait what was your surgery called it was called a mirengotomy miranda me what it was like marin got to me yeah that's actually but like you could be selling like a coca-cola on a christmas day wait can i ask about that is that a thing is coca-cola on a christmas day a thing because i never it felt so vivid yeah bowen was like what yeah well no i remember like i was it was christmas it was christmas day 2016. and i think i went to marin's instagram and she posted a picture like under a christmas tree holding like a

49:00 green can of coke which was like the the sugar real sugar which was like coca cola on a christmas day and i was like well now i want a [ __ ] coca-cola i know i was we were influenced i was like truly influenced i have written so many things in songs that i have to like live with i live with the coca-cola on a christmas day that literally was just like me and my co-writers trying to think of a bunch of alliteration but i mean now it's a thing i mean it's like oh you give your on halloween you give yourself a swirly like it wasn't like quite that totally intense but the other one was like 80s mercedes everyone asked me like did you finally go buy one and i was like no um i did it but i mean someday i will if i end up being like rich enough of to be like the jay leno of car collectors or jerry seinfeld maybe i'll get one like a nice one that i'll sup up but totally 80s mercedes is your so dolly parton's dollywood has

50:01 thunderhead as like an iconic wooden rollercoaster yours is 80s mercedes mercedes it's very clear you're branding the theme park already i hope oh my god you're helping me and arlington arlington needs a theme park because i don't know how six flags is doing uh-oh i don't know how success over texas is doing we need mary morris to theme save the theme park industry in texas no but i've been to six flags like all over i was like a roller coaster kid growing up like i love theme parks like it's like very much my thing you laughing at me dragged me um but like i just heard you know six flags is not exactly thriving so i'm just saying sure we marry me i just have to quickly tell you uh in person quote unquote that um the interval between hard to get like there's there's something about like and again like that interval is like demonically amazing like something so like powerful in the way that like your voice

50:58 goes from that note to the other note and i it immediately like lights up my [ __ ] ass yeah it explains you into the chorus it explodes you into the course i don't know it's just i remember and this not not not to bring the mood down but i remember election day 2016. i was like okay here we go today's the day and i was blasting hero and specifically 80's mercedes i was like all right like let's like get pumped blasting 80's mercedes and then of course the night turned out the way it did but i was just like i remember one of the memories i have of that night is blasting 80s mercedes on my way to like watch the returns come in and then um it's it's an emotional i have an emotional tie to that song in a way that is very specific to me and i will always it started and then hillary lost back to your house i was blasting once yeah yeah okay wait quickly before i ask you about housewives and then we do i don't think

51:52 some honey oh my god yeah there's so many things okay all right second wind you right and this is like when you were like songwriting pretty much down and then kelly clarkson wants it how the [ __ ] do you feel at that point oh oh my god i was just clawing at the bit to get anybody to record my songs so when they said that kelly had even heard it yeah that had reached her eardrums i was like that was so rare for a nashville songwriter to even have a pop star hearing a nobody's songs yeah and uh i mean even even and i love her even though it ended up as a bonus track i will forever get to say that she recorded my song and then she like i've met her since and she has set like she has she loves you i love her yeah i want to go on her show and i want us to like sing second win together oh you really that would be really good yeah she's she's amazing and she's another like texas hometown queen

52:47 of mine but yeah i mean no i was just floored and the thing about kelly clarkson is you know she's not going to [ __ ] it up she's going to elevate it there's some i will say she did that piece by piece for remix album and i think the second win it's a cheat codes remix have you had you heard it aaron i probably have at one point but not in a few years give it give it another bank account okay i think it's the best remix on that sort of release but it's like that's when i knew i was that's that's why the middle didn't surprise me at all because i was like oh this works like the songwriting here the melodies here were virtually like an electro pop

53:34 you were saying real housewives because i was just listening to your garcelle episode who she was so so i was asked to guest host um jimmy kimmel this was like you had sutton on i was oh my gosh okay yeah she's a certain like no okay but garcelle was unavailable that day and we were i didn't realize like with those late night shows they booked people up to sometimes the day yeah yeah and like kyle kyle was unavailable garcelle was unavailable they were all out of town and i was like sutton better be available because you didn't want to have erica come in there no and um i have so many i have so many housewives stories and i've been on like watch what happens live which also you did an amazing job so thank you so much we haven't talked about this matt was so [ __ ] good that's like pinnacle right yeah i was getting into that it was the peak and i was on with um karen huger which was like iconic for me and she's

54:34 so nice and speaking of tall guys i met andy cohen and he goes you're so tall he didn't realize i was going to be tall i was like did you think i was going to be a twink and he just gave me a hug i mean i don't know yeah but no i i and you always it's so lucky when you get on with someone that you actually want to talk to yeah who did you who are you on with so i've done it a handful of times the second time was zoom and that was with dorit and she was lovely the first time was with uh was in person and this was when my girl album came out but that was with teddy and i need to get back on there but i met kyle and her whole family they came to my show in aspen last fall at the same time incredible and she's like so she's as short as me she's like 5-1 i feel like so beautiful and her whole family like meeting mauricio after 10 years of watching this man on this show i was just living and my whole band they were

55:29 like my guitar player was talking to mauricio and he was like talking about real estate and my guitar has no idea who mauricio is oh my god he's like oh my god that guy's so nice i was just asking him like does he ever sell houses in nashville and i was like there's like ben he's he's like a multi-millionaire like he doesn't do real estate like he owns a huge real estate like multi-like multi-continental firm like yeah yeah he literally thought he just sold houses like he sells like mansions and hotels but um anywho i'm playing stagecoach next week in palm springs and i'm gonna hang out at kyle's house the night before oh my god maybe we need like a like a recap episode of lost cultures we actually i i literally i need you might need to come back and tell you're playing stagecoach wait is and what day what dates is that in palm springs so not this friday but next friday my friend abe schwartz is like a huge

56:28 country fan huge fan of yours and he would die i might have to sell we might we might have to go out there tell him to go it's where coachella is it's the same grounds but it's the week after coachella so we get all the dust yeah oh my god obsessed so wait what what what'd you think of the trailer for beverly hills i mean it looks insane yeah i just yeah and i get so invested and i don't know how much of it is real but just after talking to kyle at the aspen thing it was like the week they were shooting the reunion like she hadn't shot it yet and i was so floored that she was willing to talk to me about any of this stuff for like 40 minutes and i was like what erica like what is she gonna do and i was so i was like three glasses of rose and talking to kyle after my show and i was like honestly maybe erica should do like a charity show in la where she just brings all of her clothing and just auctions it

57:22 off and uses that money to give to the victims she just doesn't want to do [ __ ] like that kyle was like that has never occurred to anybody because the ethos she's like putting out there is that it's like i don't know if it's editing in the trailer but it's like i don't give a [ __ ] about anyone but me like i think that like sums it up i think she's being herself totally but like like that's that that it there's darkness there if we can all agree like oh yeah you really and she's like man i've said like she's just committed to i'm sorry like she's committed to monster you know like that is like super villain the marvel the like origin story that we're getting for for erica marvel could never like like like whatever's happening with scarlet witch and marvel with elizabeth olsen it's not even touching what is going on with erica james like yeah we're going to be running in the streets from erica jane shooting lasers out of

58:13 her eyes in l.a i can i can feel it it's like if she is she is getting to the point where she because even the gays her army of gays have like thrown down their weapons like there no one's on board with this anymore except like her and i guess mikey is mikey even on payroll still who knows i don't know we haven't seen mikey in a minute is it gonna be like the cersei thing where it's just like she ends up completely like that just everyone's like oh no not with that crazy no and then she if it is cersei then she she blows up everybody in one place that like the trial or whatever um yes i didn't realize sutton realizes the doors are all locked what are you saying she's not coming she's not showing up she has no intentions of coming she knows what's going on what what other franchises do you watch are you like a bravo super fan are you beverly hills is that really curious i mean i've watched new york i feel like i only have

59:13 the bandwidth and emotional bandwidth to deal with real housewives of beverly hills which is totally fine from season one to now it has consistently been great television like there's just not a dud i mean even the ones that weren't that good were still really good yeah even the carlton season is like i i'll watch it still yeah carlton it was so funny on the reunion when they brought up carlton and garcette was like who is carlton and you just and he just goes well yeah my favorite my favorite line of tartans is when kyle gives her like that necklace and she's like i gave you a necklace carlton how can i not like you and she's like it's in water it's in like she's cleansing the necklace oh my god honestly in many ways beverly hills was a song of ice and fire between kyle and lisa vanderpump and i guess sort of fire one over ice there but now really erica is representing ice what is your read on rena like what's

1:00:17 your temperature on rena i mean i feel like it's got to be just her amplifying a personality i i don't interest yeah like i don't know if you were just on your couch watching netflix and drinking with her on a friday night she would be giving you that oh you're so angry yeah i think she'd probably be kind of like a down-home chick i could just be completely misreading it because i've done it with people but um i don't know like what's y'alls read on her i haven't met her right i think rina has her gears and like she's she's got the housewives gear she's got like the e red carpet gear like she's generally qvc gear tvc like she knows how to like be her own like variation yeah i mean to put food on ryan's table i don't know if i would do all that like i don't know if i would do a diaper endorsement i think i would just be like it's not gonna work out like we're gonna get divorced i won't wear the diaper

1:01:22 full stop yeah we'll stop no but yeah she really has no shame i think well first of all i do like ourselves in a diaper endorsement recently too sorry just putting that oh really oh yeah yeah that that's almost like shady a little bit it's almost like stepping on the on the turf i'm fascinated i will say um the diaper cartel for cartel i do identify you in many areas of my life as arena because i can't help myself sometimes wouldn't randa be iconic if you don't watch what happens because you know she's gonna start [ __ ] right in front of you oh yeah and she's all also like kind of even more outrageous on watch what happens live sometimes than the actual sunglasses yeah and she's like flipping the camera off yeah yeah she was like she was starting chaos all over the place yeah she was like i'm going down in flames on my own terms yep garcelle also always starts [ __ ] on watch what happens

1:02:16 live there's like there's always something that pisses someone off about garcette like the other day i forget what it was but of course that was the iconic thing of her saying denise wanted to come back but someone had to go and then it was a whole thing on the reunion yeah i [ __ ] love the show we were in fire island shooting at the movie coming out and one of my favorite days i just texted bowen and joel about it was we woke up on a once on like a on like a weekend and we just watched the episode where dorit said i don't understand it in four languages and we were like this is the best show on tv i don't understand it oh my god oh it's so good betrayal is a new podcast that will make you wonder how well do you know your partner this is an extreme case the masterful manipulative way there were no signs this is the story of jennifer and her husband spencer they were college sweethearts that fell in love

1:03:16 again later in life she thought her husband awarded teacher of the year as the man of her dreams jennifer came to learn that everything she believed about her husband was wrong he slid a piece of paper to me it said search warrant on top police arrested cal high school teacher spencer herron on the new podcast betrayal jennifer will explore his crimes uncover the lies and will even hear from spencer himself this is a direct pay call from an inmate at the cherokee county jail listen to betrayal on the iheart radio app apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts if you can plan barbecues and weddings you can plan to protect yourself from a natural disaster sign up for local alerts prepare an emergency kit and make a family communications plan get started at ready.gov plan brought to you by fema the ad council hi everyone i'm katie couric i've been covering the abortion debate for the past 40 years i've always thought there

1:04:18 were two sides of the issue but there you go see even in that statement we have been trained to both sides in it's not at both sides that's actress and advocate izzy phillips the story of abortion in this country has always been a complicated one and there's never been a more urgent time to dive into this issue the pro-choice framework assumes that you have choices this june i'm bringing you an in-depth six-part series on the history and future of abortion access it's called abortion the body politic i consider my abortion the greatest act of self-love that i did join me on this journey to understand how we got here and how we can ensure that reproductive rights apply to everyone roe v wade was never meant to be the end point it was meant to be the floor you can find abortion the body politic on the iheart radio app or wherever you get your podcast new episodes every thursday all right well look we have to move to i

1:05:22 don't think so honey this is our one minute segment where we you're gonna do great well we rant about something in culture and mine actually is sort of on topic oh really okay yeah um all right so this is matt rodgers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey that it seems like cathy hilton is going to be the villain of this season i am not on board and this is so classic because you come on you're a fan favorite and then they try to get you the second season it happened with denise i don't want it to happen with kathy now are the rumors that kathy apparently called sutton strax assistant a [ __ ] when he couldn't put a bag on an airplane yes those other rumors is that bad i do think so honey but is it not also a little funny for me as a gay person to think of kathy hilton sitting there in a corner watching a little gay trying to get it back on a plane and then saying [ __ ] i i don't

1:06:06 think so honey i think that's kind of funny i do want to see it um this is the problem when you tell people like kathy hilton that they can say [ __ ] they might i don't think so honey that we won't be able to enjoy kathy anymore the hunky dory of it 15 seconds the portable fan of it all i kind of want kathy to just be what kathy is and i don't think so honey this is going to be a tough reunion for her which garcelle said on watch what happens live i don't think so honey that we can't just enjoy kathy please i don't think so honey us chasing cathy away like cathy b cathlee hope kyle and her are okay i don't think that's one minute oh my god and agreed all all counts there's something about a woman that gay people love staying [ __ ] on a plane that just kind of is like it's okay azealia banks did it you did it today but it was it wasn't on a plane but baron did it and we and and she is allowed i asked permission you asked for

1:06:58 a dead and you were i don't think that's the that's the villain narrative for her completely her being locked out of that store that stressed me out it's going to make me pee my pants laughing i can't believe it just the richest woman in the world like pulling a door and erica james being like don't get it don't open that really good i want her to stay pure but i don't know if she will apparently it's bad i don't know i mean she's untouchable like yeah i'm sorry she'll be like oh what she's like oh well you don't want me on real housewives anymore peace the [ __ ] out then yeah i gotta go back to my [ __ ] hotel that i own yeah all right bonyang do you have a topic sweet dear i think so i could i could do another i could do a beverly hills one or i could do something else what do you think i think you should do whatever your heart desires i'm going to do a beverly hills one but it's going to be a little bit of a

1:07:59 downer all right okay bringing it down and then uh and then mine will be kind of like in the middle of the grave perfect yeah okay perfect this is bony i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey crystal kung minkoff coming off as like a full sob story in the trailer for this season i need her to go back to the way she was beginning of season what was it 12 11 last season where she was like fully in sutton's [ __ ] like making her have a mental breakdown every episode like i need that crystal to come back the eating disorder thing is really really really vulnerable and it's really amazing that she like wants to open up about that i need crystal to be funny mean and i'm sorry to say this word but [ __ ] again what that is so powerful for her as this like wealthy asian woman to project on the tv like in a way that's different from like dragon lady it's different from tiger mom it's different from crazy

1:08:51 rich asians it's a new type of asian woman that we have not seen in the media like [ __ ] asian lady who can like tear down a white woman at a [ __ ] backyard dinner party situation i need her to wear five seconds allegedly ugly leather pants and make a sudden woman lose her mind and that's one minute what we need is iconic rich disney wife yes that's all i need that's all i want from crystal i mean she can be yeah of course she is this multi-dimensional woman who like has her struggles and it will be very important for her to talk about this um it seems like it's really gonna be sad though like she's she's she's really struggling with it you know like it's yeah it's tough it's happening on jersey right now with jackie goldschneider and what what i'm really appreciating it about it is is such a vulnerable thing to talk about and crystal i think i i almost think crystal couldn't come back unless she

1:09:37 talked about it and i think the good thing about when they do bring this on to the show is that they're making a public and concerted effort to get better yes and that's so i'm in full support of it because i think even if it's not like you know iconic woman like it is like something that's her real life and all i want all i want is for her to you know feel good about herself because she's so beautiful i love crystal completely agree she's been so vulnerable about it and open about it on like podcasts and interviews and yeah i think this i hope this is another piece of that um i just hope we get uh some air time with her being like you know the crystal that like i fell in love with but i don't want to like dictate or predict the version of herself she should be on tv i just hope that we don't lose some of that yeah what are your crystal thoughts marin i really liked her and i i feel like in that

1:10:30 season where she's introduced and she's talking to sutton and you kind of like think of sutton as the villain when she's like oh are you that girl like i don't see color girl and she likes her and she gets so defensive no no i'm not talking about this i'm not talking about this i was like yeah crystal teller because like so many white women needed to hear that that year of all years especially so i was just like hell yes and heiress to lion king like i don't know what could be more iconic true um so i'm hoping that like with editing they're just trying to make the trailer look really movie but i think that it's actually gonna be a lot lighter when it actually comes out just my thoughts there was also that scene where like with erica with just rena and crystal where they're clearly at someone's home and they're dressed to the nines and crystal says to erica is it that bad and rena goes yes

1:11:25 uh there's there's no house life like right now i'm sorry oh my god she nails her line yeah she really does she knows her line for help so angry rinifer finale um last out yeah the winner for culture now last episode of last goal theresa's ever whenever it happened to rina it's going to be rina not us yeah yeah you're going to win a peabody finally um okay maren morris are you ready i don't think so honey yeah i think so this iconic moment in history okay this is mary morris i don't think so honey her time starts now okay i don't think so honey music trends on tick tock and i don't care if i come across as a jaded neo luddite boomer perspective but as someone that likes tick tock and will continue to use it after this read i cannot deal with the laziness of music label old guys thinking in the last two years them not having to put any money into creativity into music videos into award show performances into touring they

1:12:32 think the only way they can make money is off of a tick tock trend through music and a 12 year old making up a dance with only their upper body and it has no swag i cannot imagine my own songs popping to that and i love tick tock but yeah it is such a lazy way of old guys in suits to make creatives feel like they're only content creators and i just can't and i think that like label guys to tick-tock music trends is like gretchen weiner is to fetch like it's not going to happen and that's one minute wow thank you so much for saying this and this is the crate this is the most this is the craziest example i can think of is matt did you clock the demi lovato released a cool for the summer sped up version because the song has been trending on tech talk people are doing their little dances great we love it but then they released a sped up version of cool for the summer a song that is like at this point like six years old like a

1:13:27 sped up version just to like get streaming dollars chasing it down chasing it down but it's like this is so [ __ ] transparent like it's just for the tick tock dance of it all that all people are doing on the tick tock app is just speeding speeding up the sound to like double speed or pitching it up it's like which is great like that helps with the dance but it's like this is not a way for like music suits to like make money it's so stupid our engineer doug who's worked in the music business for for a year says amen okay yeah hot engineer doug says amen we love your dad i mean there's there's there's a time and a place but for it to only be the way of the future it's just so soulless and i just feel like it just makes everyone on this like conveyor belt of like musical fast food and it just kills creativity and for those who have done well with it i commend you but it honestly makes me hate the song sometimes yeah i only hear

1:14:22 four seconds of it and then i'll see that it's like nominated for a grammy and i'll be like wait this is the part i heard on tick tock and this is the whole song it makes me go out of my way to not listen to it honestly it's unnatural it's not like the way that we consume it's and even if it's like supposedly the new way we consume media now like like in this at this length it's like it's not how it should be necessarily i don't know and also you know we talked to artists like we had betty huan and i talked to um someone who's a recording artist i won't name him but like he was saying that his label was like you have to have a tick tock hit and a huge tic toc presence or like we won't push the music michaels has talked about that oh yeah julian michael who's written like one of the like some of the biggest pop songs of the last decade has said her own label like she put this on twitter a few

1:15:13 months ago where she was like if it doesn't go viral immediately on tick tock they just don't promote it and it just sucks because it's like not everyone is treated that way but it's becoming like such a like like a prerequisite to a business where that's there's no creative like everything is just sort of put on the same chopping block yeah like this artist and you even see like florence and the machine unwillingly but begrudgingly doing tick tocks because she'll say my label is making me do this and all she does is sing like acapella and her fans love it so like that's totally in its own way poking fun at it and it's pure but it's still like her being florence and but yeah she's like my label is making me do this it's just like i love i love like the artists that are at least like reclaiming ownership over their own like platform of art and not just being this like very see-through marketing tool

1:16:08 they shouldn't be put in that position in the first place where like you are really pushing all of your creative instincts into like a mold that is like the size of a [ __ ] like pinhole you know it's like how are you gonna like write how is that the objective to like write a song that like will fit into like a four second little dance anyway i know yeah when um when are your next shows in la and new york because we want to come see you so i'm doing the hollywood bowl i've never done the bowl what the hell oh that'll be cool when um wait i'm looking it up it's so chic that you don't know it actually is no it is well i was trying to actually do two dates at the greek um because that's oh you would be sick at a time i played l.a i just saw charlie xcx at the greek she put on an amazing show yeah i'm so jealous i actually saw it on tick tock um i saw casey at the greek right before the pandemic i saw maggie rogers the

1:17:02 greek is insane yeah but i couldn't because of covet and all the backed up tours that are getting rescheduled i couldn't get two consecutive nights so i was like let's just do the bowl so we're doing the bowl uh october 13th city yes yeah i'm doing that july 29th okay we're going to come to both i'm going to go to new york and go to that and then bone's going to come together unless no one has to be on saturday night live that night not end of july oh no oh and until october no it doesn't matter lauren i gotta go um this was so fun to get to talk to you and meet you in person on zoom et cetera blah blah blah but um your album is so great i mean and like especially at a time when they're pushing like you know the tick tock [ __ ] thanks for making like such a capital a album and you're just the best thank you well hey um you guys like whatever you need like i want to meet you at these shows or let's meet

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What is discussed in ""Maren Got To Me" (w/ Maren Morris)"?

In order: 0:00 Financial Times, Ad Council, Alex Barker, Don Simpson; 10:00 Humble Quest, Kelly Clarkson; 20:00 Ad Council, Humble Quest, Maren Morris; 30:00 Dolly Parton, Ad Council; 40:00 Nine to Five, Dolly Parton, HBO Max, Newport Folk Festival; 50:00 Kelly Clarkson, Stagecoach; 1:00:00 Ad Council; 1:10:00 Maren Morris; 1:20:00 Ad Council, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

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The episode runs 1 h 20 min; the transcript is about 15,549 words in 86 timestamped sections.

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