"Woke Up and Chose Violet" (w/ Betty Who)

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Normani, Ad Council, Britney Spears, Connie Stephen
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Britney Spears, Doja Cat, Katy Perry, Leland
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Ad Council, Betty Who, James Brown
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Army Hammer, Puerto Rico
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Betty Who, Ad Council, James Brown
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Betty Who, Peter Thomas
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Betty Who
8. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Rupaul
9. 1:20:00 – 1:30:00: Betty Who, Livingston Taylor
10. 1:30:00 – 1:40:00: Ad Council, James Brown
11. 1:40:00 – 1:48:18: Betty Who, Connie Stephen, Fire Island, Judge Robert Adrian

Notable quotes from ""Woke Up and Chose Violet" (w/ Betty Who)"

• Your grandmother is here i'm pressing the red button oh i'm on i'm on we've got cosmetics pioneer adrian you don't need the damn ring light i do and legendary singer and actress connie stephen i love you listen to season two of call your.

  about Judge Robert Adrian · at 0:34

• Because we don't have a minute we don't have a minute to spare in the words of brook ashley this is one of those guests that we've been meaning to have on for a long time let me start off and say that yeah it's also that thing of.

  about Nick & Ari Ashley · at 1:51

• Happening and i know you remember it and that was the same i saw normani at that show you remember the one wow oh my god she's being very respectful listen and here's the thing i don't want that i don't i want.

  about Normani · at 3:35

• And it was so fun and i'm i'm forgetting who else was there was you normani and leland the doll and i remember you came out in this long blonde wig i had never seen you in hair like that and really it was giving you a new.

  about Leland · at 4:52

• Star you know and it's like how can those two things exist i mean how do i like want to be britney spears and also i'm a lesbian singer-songwriter like there are all of these…

  about Britney Spears · at 8:19

• Podcasts this is the unimaginable i'm your host and musician james brown i created this podcast to bring people with unimaginable stories to the center of conversation because their perspectives are as unique as they are powerful.

  about James Brown · at 26:35

• Right person to be like again probably some homo it was like we should get betty who yeah thank you but it was roots and blues so it was an all-female festival which i loved but it was exclusively girls playing.

  about Betty Who · at 28:34

• Piece of me you know what i made a joke to oh my god army hammer one like this is years ago yeah let's just let's just pause for a second yeah okay gather yourself but it was i have a question about that actually i'm ready this is.

  about Army Hammer · at 33:18

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Betty Who — Person · 8 mentions · first at 28:37
• Britney Spears — Person · 3 mentions · first at 8:22
• James Brown — Person · 3 mentions · first at 26:44
• Army Hammer — Person · 3 mentions · first at 33:22
• Judge Robert Adrian — Person · 2 mentions · first at 0:39
• Connie Stephen — Person · 2 mentions · first at 0:44
  Got cosmetics pioneer adrian you don't need the damn ring light i do and legendary singer and actress connie stephen i love you listen to season two of call your grandmother on the i heart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your.
• Normani — Person · 2 mentions · first at 3:40
• Leland — Person · 2 mentions · first at 4:55
• Kesha — Person · 2 mentions
• Lizzo — Person · 2 mentions
• Nick & Ari Ashley — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:54
• Lady Gaga — Person · 1 mention · first at 2:09
  To meet someone that i love so much and i'm not even kidding you i said to bo and i was like so many to not to be lady gaga about it but sense memory in terms of like i…
• Katy Perry — Person · 1 mention · first at 15:24
  Shout out my amazing choreographer who has been i met him i was opening for katy perry it was me in my band i didn't have dancers but i knew that was where i wanted to be…
• Doja Cat — Person · 1 mention · first at 19:39
  Love rehearsal yeah i love when people are like no it took us weeks and i'm like thank you for the effort yes doja cat is the pop star that we have been waiting for and that we…
• Peter Thomas — Person · 1 mention · first at 51:04
  I'm super jacked about it's my long time producing patna who i made my first three records with peter thomas oh my god and his stuff is incredible stream peter thomas look at…
• Rupaul — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:16:59
  Mixture of like reading that in her book and also like you know basic to say but like watching rupaul i'm setting the tone like that is part of the x factor i think and that is…
• Livingston Taylor — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:22:31
  Of i had a performance teacher at berkeley who is his name is livingston taylor he's james taylor's brother so he grew up wow in this you know community this little canyon sort of like experience he is adjacent to all of this and he has so.
• Josh Duhamel — Person · 1 mention
• Kristen Wiig — Person · 1 mention
• Mary Ellen — Person · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

• SNL — Company · 5 mentions
• Ad Council — Company · 4 mentions · first at 0:26
• Nitza — Company · 1 mention

Places & events

• Puerto Rico — Place · 1 mention · first at 36:34
  Shotgun winning and i believe got replaced by josh dumel yes but that was like he was going down to like puerto rico to go shoot it and then they were like no you're not yeah…
• Fire Island — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:42:24
  I can't wait i think you're gonna like it i played one of the game shows in my life on fire island that is like there are no places that i'm actually famous except for like…

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 hey so what's a great way to spread awareness that driving high is illegal everywhere a catchy song of course friendly reminder don't drive high if you feel different you drive different brought to you by nitza and the ad council hey rita hey ellen now that we know what a podcast is barely season two of call your grandmother is here i'm pressing the red button oh i'm on i'm on we've got cosmetics pioneer adrian you don't need the damn ring light i do and legendary singer and actress connie stephen i love you love you love you listen to season two of call your grandmother on the i heart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts perfect here's to the great american settlers the millions of you who settled for unsatisfying jobs because they paid the bills of course there is something else you could do if you got something to say start a podcast with spreaker from iheart and unleash your creative freedom

1:16 maybe even earn enough money to one day tell your old boss hey i'm no settler i'm an explorer spreaker.com s p r k hustle on over today look matt there oh i see am i oh my oh look over there wow is that the culture yeah

1:44 you must say and inform everybody that this is one of those guests i'm just gonna go right into it get right into it because we don't have a minute we don't have a minute to spare in the words of brook ashley um this is one of those guests that we've been meaning to have on for a long time let me start off and say that yeah it's also that thing of wow the podcast has now like allowed us to meet someone that i love so much and i'm not even kidding you i said to bo and i was like so many to not to be lady gaga about it but sense memory in terms of like i remember places i've been when the music was playing i remember one time i touched down in los angeles while some but um somebody loves you was ending and i was like i'm ready to like be here it was like the first time i came to l.a and i was like listening it's like my comfort music our guest and like i was like yes it just kicked off the trip good i'm just yeah

2:33 things like that are all over i have that i have that for sure it was walking down atlantic avenue old old apartment 25 years old just about yes high society okay and i was like yeah and this and i remember it was like a cold day i was like no i'm feeling great no and this is the thing the catalog is rich it is a rich catalog for me it's like this where's the greatest hits where's the greatest hits it's warranted it's warranted already volume one i'm telling you i think ignore me is my favorite song of all time we have wasted no time this standing is like we're a fount right now we're truly a fountain i don't think it's been like this ever on the pod no but we've immediately been like let's just there's no like banter no because i don't think anything else matters do you remember like i think it was like two or three years ago yeah i think i saw our guest perform like i went to wherever they were doing a pride event i

3:28 was like well that's where i'm going right right right this is new york this is new york baby and i remember an iconic long blonde wig that was happening and i know you remember it and that was that was the same i saw normani at that show you remember the one wow oh my god she's being very respectful listen and here's the thing i don't want that i don't i want i want this guest to come over here and stomp on my neck and spit in my mouth okay we're just gonna get get into it because the guest is a is an incredible incredible musician that we love so much and i mean like just like it's just it's just rootless to even say everything that like has been created by this person because it's this is someone very very very meaningful to us to the community let's just let's just get into everyone welcome it is a happy day indeed i'm vibrating i'm so excited to be here the energy when you walked in

4:28 yeah there's a lot of energy no it's not even there's not a lot it's just it was the right it was the right sort of flavor of it i give good hugs i also think that's you really are calling cod because she's a large lady you know so it's like rest your head on my bosom and i have it

4:47 can you guys connect over this this this show normal oh yes it was an hbo pride show yes yes and it was so fun and i'm i'm forgetting who else was there was you normani and leland the doll and i remember you came out in this long blonde wig i had never seen you in hair like that and really it was it was giving you a new uh that's my that's that wig is called britney britney she's a bangsy um sort of little situation she's past the breasts because normally i haven't i have an angular uh face uh-huh so i lose myself in too much hair i have to be strategic i've learned the hard way okay there are wigs that do and don't work for me right so a bang is great a bang frames my face uh-huh well and so a lot of my wigs are bangs mcgee and they're either like a short bobby sit you have a lot of fun colored yes yes yes bobbed fringy wigs but then britney is a really powerful one and she's she's a it long and i she was in

5:38 the share video i was in a share video and brittany made it brittany was my hair in the share video oh my god britney i feel like now here's a question are there different versions of britney or is there one britney that gets maintained no that's the one brittany that's like her and each of them have names you know what i mean so that's that's britney who else is in that club i have charlize which is the which is brittany but she's just shoulder length it's very um atomic blonde we like cosplay yes oh my god um i have it's unoriginal but i have blue ivy and pinky and that's my blue wig and my pink wig sure i have i have a mary jo and it's a bang ponytail set yeah mary is the bear the bang and joe is the pony yes yeah mary jo is a great one oh my god the artistry even in the naming of the the conventions of the with the wigs yeah i mean i mean this is listen uh this is the right podcast for this competition

6:24 absolutely i know that i'm reading the room really well for this other conversation about wigs um but hair has been very cathartic and spiritual for me as a lady who has had short hair my entire adult life right right right so that has i am perceived a certain way often so hair is like when i was in a tougher spot in my life especially in regard like in my relationship to my career hair would be what i would i was like i don't really feel like going on stage i don't feel like being myself right and a wig comes on and i'm like who is she and then all of a sudden i'm on stage and like i don't i think now i have a different perspective on it and i think i'm really trying to like ground down into myself and not escape myself yeah and so i've actually the wigs are like in their bags in the closet they have very interesting great the wigs are the wigs are for playtime yes sure yeah sure but i consider myself a professional

7:15 performer now and like wigs i've gone out of a phase where now i'm like i want to be me and i was so afraid of that for so long and the wigs were the wigs were healing for me because i was like this makes this fun again and i need that that's really really interesting because i've i think all the time about how like your parameters change when your hair changes whatever but this is something yeah someone who's on a hair journey you feel you literally feel like a different person and like but even like you know like you talk your actors talk about like oh like natalie portman shaving her head for me for vendetta it's like that like she's like moved to the world differently you know like that kind of thing and so this is a beautiful full circle thing for you i get called sir every day everywhere i go which i love yeah there is a part of me also that's like excuse me i can also it's a large part

8:04 of my i'm such a [ __ ] libra so it's a big part of my life currently also is this like finding the balance between my mask daddy energy yes and my like need to feel there's like i have this other weird sort of like marilyn in me that needs to be like busty and a cabaret star you know and it's like how can those two things exist i mean how do i like want to be britney spears and also i'm a lesbian singer-songwriter like there are all of these dichotomies within me that i'm right that is the library managing yeah and that is like it's cellist and pop star yeah like yeah yeah yeah right she's researching we'll never talk about this we do it we also do we also damned about this this is what we dm this is our first moment of connection and i told you this in the elevator was that like you betty and i connected i think i i i got through to you i think meaningfully for the first time when i told you i was on a plane going from

8:48 like uh sydney to brisbane or something when i was visiting uh like five years ago with family and it was i was you know it's that thing where you put on your headphones you're on a plane you fall asleep but you're keeping the music on right and in and out you drift and you hear something and it kind of like pierces through like a very core layer of subconscious but i woke up at one point drifted into consciousness when blue heaven midnight crushed um which by the way is one of my like that is my darkest song that is that is my little lesson one of my favorites and i love that it spoke to you and when it's so funny you gasped but i guess when he said it because i feel like that song does not get the credit because blue heaven midnight crush it's just such a it's they say it all the time but vibe and i mean it really and this is what i was saying to bowen as i was like my i think i think you have

9:34 such an evocative voice and you really make like you you give that feeling of whatever it is you're thinking about the listener and you're not in me is very committed to like i'm not trying to sound cool i'm telling you a story yeah yeah yeah you're taking us there i i it's a party drug thing where it's like i'm soaring and i mean it's like you know i was one of my favorite songs is wannabe and just like by the way and you said ignore me too which is on my independent record which i'm actually seeing money from streams on my third record so stream it promote its sister my third record is indeed yes so she is like i pay my rent with my actual music now which has never happened to me until i knew it my it's like you know a year and a half later and now i'm right right i got a world to check for the first i was like oh my god ninety dollars for me i have to say it's very exciting ignore me is on so frequently

10:29 in my home that i may be responsible for like a week and a half of your of your rent thank you later when i when i first nine point nine cents every single time when i first was getting to know brett leland yes and um i found out that he wrote that i literally like i i was like that's just one of my favorite songs and also we have to talk about the music video which is one shot and one of the best things i love that video when i saw it i was like why isn't everyone talking about this i was like this that video is unbelievable i actually i would love to know your thoughts on this because um las culturistas you have something to say about it um i i have a lot of interesting experiences because of my specific demo right right so for the longest time my demo was exclusively 25 to 32 year old gay white man 100 that was like the show boys town chicago that was it yeah that's the vibe the ladies start to trickle in i start to

11:24 see us diversify and i i've met i love i love it i love a bit on stage i love to get to get the boys going yeah my favorite bits is like waiting for and like ladies i see you finally joined us me and the homosexuals have been waiting for you for literally eight years yeah so welcome we've known please thank you yes yes and i feel like because of that some interesting like my socials like aren't really popping because i have like adult fans who like right come to shows because they have independent money like you know they are independent adult people so i make money on tour like interactive experiences yeah my fans will show out and up 10 times over but the internet doesn't really reflect it like my youtube isn't popping because like i just think i don't think of like 30 year old gay men as like the youtube demographic necessarily it's like that's like a youth thing for the most part like

12:13 it's interesting like people don't watch my music videos this was a long the like long-winded version of but which is so it which is like you would never say that that would never be a phenomenon or a thing that would occur uh for an artist let's say like 15 years ago like there would be like like the um the engagement from the listenership would reflect in the viewership of the video you know and it's such a i've just had such an interesting i think maybe everybody feels this way i think i've had quite a singular experience while also sharing all of the like classic like every artist can connect over like label drama or whatever there's like all of the fundamental things that i share with every person in music but i've also had this very weird like it's been super culty but then you know it's just it's kind of like i've been very blessed that i have been able to maintain my music lawyer my uh entertainment lawyer said

13:00 to my parents when i first signed to sony um i dropped out of berkeley i was six months from grad or six weeks from graduation and i dropped out to go sign a record deal and like live in new york and my parents were like please don't do that like six weeks you stupid baby and i was like no i can't i was like thought my whole world i just like i had this viral video you know you think there's nowhere to go but up and you think you're so ready for it at 21 i was like bring it on [ __ ] i am i've been waiting for this moment my whole [ __ ] life yeah and like there's so many things i biff like it's interesting how you just you grow and now i'm like well you think that you're ready and now i'm like i actually think i'm really ready now yes yes and my entertainment lawyer said to my parents when all this was going on and i was like you know coming out of my first of 17 000 cocoons my entertainment lawyer said

13:45 to my parents it is not about if it's about women yeah because and he said he was like because i believe she's talented like that's if she had no talent and she you were daddy was bankrolling something and it's like there may it might not be it might be an if right he was like it is just about if you can afford to stay in it when things aren't going well because things will not go well finally at some point and if you can survive to come back the other side of it like it's just about that yeah which is so it's so sad and it's been 10 years you know it's like and i think now in this point of my life i'm just coming out into this like big next phase of like i've arrived i think i've always been 30 in my spirit and i just turned 30 and now i'm like

14:38 you're most excited about this new stuff that's amazing i mean like what we said at the top like the catalog i mean like you're being really nice you know what it is about songs like high society too and really all your music is it's so it's so i see music videos in my mind to it you know what i mean it's so that's what visual it's so always trying to yeah and your visuals are great you're like you call that furniture in songwriting yeah here and there yeah it just matches you know what i'm saying like when the aesthetic matches what sonically is happening like ignore me like should be what it is it's like it's like all that all white moment and like just the the way the sets move in by the way your dancers are amazing they're incredible like the choreo is always it's always so song shout out my amazing choreographer who has been i met him i was opening for katy perry it was me in my band i didn't

15:26 have dancers but i knew that that was where i wanted to be because i grew up this is like ah come on come on give us the winning conversation so i grew up in the heyday as we all did i'm a 91 baby i think we're ninety nine yeah we have a similar sense memory of our absolutely i grew up in australia so there's like a lot more kylie maybe than there was but otherwise and kylie breaks through we know she breaks through not enough but she doesn't that's true but so there are some like weird you know benchmarks that i've missed but britney spears yeah is this the culture it was going to be it maybe that's no it's fine let's get into let's get into it do you want to prompt me with a question go what is the culture that made you say culture is for you there we go thank you she and we're off the hbo max but now it's hbo sorry hbo max oh my god it's 20 22. the hbo special live in las vegas 2001 from the

16:17 mgm grand that performance that era brittany's 22. shouldn't be as fabulous as she is for the like especially now with everything we know all of the context for the whole story like i'm seeing footage from that and i'm just like it's so it is so much more deep and painful you you're able to still enjoy it but there is that darkness that you know existed and it's it's you're like rueful about it yeah [ __ ] up and you're like oh like and just you know whatever it complicates it but you still enjoy it we're all on the same page right so that i grew up in the era of beyonce and britney spears i have a wwbd tattoo which is what would beyonce do but it also for me is what would brittany do and then also my stage name is betty and i think that subconsciously me being like wedged in between like two of the iconic performers and entertainers of a generation of my life yeah was probably a subconscious choice at 18 years old

17:06 but like that was what i saw that was pop star that was like giving it all that was rehearsal that was we want to be perfect we want to give you something that other people cannot do yes and i like have this very strange experience going between the part of me that is like songwriter because i'm like sort of a missy higgins sara bareilles songwriter yeah that is my like what i grew up listening to john mayer i want to sit on the ice right this whole new record that i'm writing i sat at my piano or my guitar and i wrote all the songs and then i have taken them to go produce like i am the mariah carey yeah i'm such a like it is so much more hot forward which is what i really wanted it to be um but then i like i don't i you know we talked about me playing cello it's like i never wanted to be the girl who sat and like who's the girl who played the cello because like i was like no i want to be

17:55 britney like yeah yeah but then i'm having this experience actually quarantine gave me a lot of time to think about this because i've been such a road [ __ ] i've been like out you've been working because i have uh my fear is that if i'm not spending every waking [ __ ] moment of my life working towards my dream doing something active that i can do everybody else is going to sit the label isn't going to call me i can't get this person to [ __ ] make my music whatever it is the only thing that i can do is make an effort to push myself further yeah and so that was tour for me because i was like having this experience all the time where i was on stage and i was like this is working so you can't you cannot tell me that i'm not doing something that is impactful yeah like we have a it's a community it's such an incredible experience i think on on both sides hopefully that's what i want and i want to create a space

18:42 that's like that was a [ __ ] show yeah i mean you put on rehearsals yeah an amazing show and i'm like it's not and nobody else could get up and do this that's the whole point i'm supposed to be something special and that is that britney influence because because you're i ever so remember a time when it would be like all the like drivens and like the behind the music yeah it would be really focused on them in the rehearsal room like even like you remember i think it was like the life is but a dream documentary where it was a lot it was around the era of four actually remember beyonce did this special and it's just her hyper focusing on like the performance even with homecoming yourself to the obviously yeah you got her like rehearsing in the black and white and like the that is hours of rehearsal yeah that is like that is not you know and there's it's me trying to always manage how can i be both and something i've

19:25 really i spent a lot of time i got super obsessed with black pink during quarantine yeah i've loved k-pop always i've always been big into the culture same rehearsal i love rehearsal yeah i love when people are like no it took us weeks and i'm like thank you for the effort yes doja cat is the pop star that we have been waiting for and that we deserve we have been saying like that performance that she did i believe it was at the vmas and the grammys we talked about evanescence style of say so because that is [ __ ] range that was insane my favorite thing that she's done is roxy heart inspired chicago unbelievable number because also what do you do when you have the biggest song in the world you'd be playing it exactly the same way no no you you wear wigs you give something different i'm completely obsessed and i think there's this like emergence of that level of talent that i've been wanting to see i love to feel

20:17 like i'm not good enough i hear that and nothing sucks more than than looking around and being like i'm pretty sure i'm i could do that yeah i think i could do that sure yeah not even better it's like i'm pretty sure i could do that and you know i think i think that like it there is it should be like that you know what i mean like we should be watching entertainers and those should be the entertainers that are really popping off because it is something supernatural like you were saying about brittany i mean she was super natural she had a god-given gift and whatever that thing was whether it was her because it's like i don't think that this is like i'm not saying that i'm a bad singer i think i'm a great singer my voice is not my gift my voice really my voice is a vessel that i get to tell story with and i love to sing and music is my life's blood and music is my first love it always will be it has been it

21:00 like the way that you were talking about the way that a song can can be with a moment and how it is burned into your experience in your life and then someone else loves that song i'm getting goosebumps talking about it and then you share it and you're like this is so special and movies can kind of do the same thing but music is the thing that you experience while you're having a conversation it's in the background at the grocery store when someone tells you they're pregnant whatever it is it's like those it is with you everywhere so that's no special thought about it music is like better than any drug because it's the only drug that isn't bad for you because it like makes you like it it alters your mental state for as long as you're listening to it or experiencing it yeah but it doesn't like rot your brain or anything you know like anyway and it's but it's so it's so special and it's so exciting

21:41 to i look around and i think that like lissa she's a performer that's like her gift is it's like yes her voice is amazing and like she has bits and stuff like the flute thing is so funny and she bit her like her gift and the thing that she's special is standing on stage and being like look at me look at me committed like i am here to like make a vibe and make you feel good and i think that's my gift it's not my voice it's my and i can i can be like we're here in this room now and we're going to have an experience together and i want to like make you all feel seen and and comfortable because i my theory is this is my wedding i love a wedding i love a wedding i'm the first one on the dance floor i guess it's like i'm so i'm a ham at a wedding yeah yeah and that is kind of my pop star energy is i'm like if i am having so much fun we will have fun you have no excuse but to be like well she's really committed

22:31 you know what i mean like i'm gonna set the tone yes i'm gonna and i say this when i'm in a like kind of a cold room i will learn like a weird like uh corporate show yeah i played this i played this show in a in a a hilton hotel i wasn't was it a hilton it was for a host like convention center vibes literally actually like a ballroom in a hotel the stage was the size of this table which is what six feet by three feet yeah yeah so the three of us me and two huge six foot two boys because they ha i have to hire taller than me so that i can sometimes be a dainty little girl if i feel like this they have to look like they can handle me you know what i mean and so i'm like we're doing this and it's 30 middle-aged people who have literally never they're not gay middle-aged yeah you know what i mean like yeah i'm looking at them being like they have no they didn't ask for this the one there's this is i get myself

23:18 into these because there's always the one event planner is the gay guy yeah he's like obsessed bless him and he's like i'm gonna book you [ __ ] and i'm like thank you i need it genuinely and then i get there everybody's like what's going on and i'm like we're just gonna i'm gonna have a great time hey you just sit back if you want to join in go for it if not this is great rehearsal for us thank you so much yeah i will take my check and i will get out of your hair and you're like and here's i love you always forever a song you know people that is my go because it's the second to last song in my set i have always finished my set with i have you always forever and then somebody loves you because somebody loves you that's what i want it's the rainbow song yes all the rainbow lights go and we play and i always i'll be like all right thank you for listening to all of my music i'm going to play one that

23:53 you actually will know and it gets all the moms and everybody's like oh i do know this song it's such a great remember this one from every doctor's office yeah like there was a thing it's a genius one to cover too because your condition of it obviously is so so great and it's like different enough from the original but like it is that song you know what i mean and that song is such a beautiful song especially generationally for us i think like that was when we were all listening to it was kind of like that time of like they played like 31 songs on the radio yes and like that song was like top hits yeah it was like that thing it was like what top 40 had like a rotation that didn't really change for a while right right right and like it's i think the key to finding the right song to cover is the one that if you start and you're like what is this song and then the chorus sits and you're like there i know and because it's like

24:38 you can actually bring life to it if you're doing like ain't nobody by shaka khan it starts and you're like i ever i get it feels like and if you don't know it everybody's like do i um and it doesn't until the chorus hits everybody's like oh i do and then everybody's in it and then it just keeps building and you're like yeah welcome hello yeah the secretary's in your brain following through cabinets finally find it 100 in your mind palace someone's like running through the halls like i had it it's great

25:28 you're not gonna get it all right just make sure you know the big stuff like making sure your kids are buckled correctly in the right seat for their agent's eyes get it right visit nhtsa.gov slash the right seat brought to you by the national highway traffic safety administration and the ad council let's face it everyone struggles with making impulse purchases and they usually lead to thinking where did all my money go if that sounds familiar then have we got a show for you on frugal friends podcast we think getting your financial life together doesn't have to mean eating ramen and never seeing your friends again everyone should be able to reach their financial goals while leading a life they love whether you're trying to pay off debt start investing for retirement or just keep money in your savings account longer than three weeks we have over 200 episodes with all the tips and motivation you need to feel

26:18 confident about money without the guilt and shame of strict budgeting our goal with every episode is to help you save on the things you need so you can enjoy more of the things in life money can't buy you can listen to frugal friends podcasts on the iheartradio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts

26:42 this is the unimaginable i'm your host and musician james brown i created this podcast to bring people with unimaginable stories to the center of conversation because their perspectives are as unique as they are powerful including teresa cropper a former black panther the deeper the love the deeper the grief every death has its purpose or katrina bal who plays ma in the oscar award-winning movie belfast and claire in the hit tv show outlander i think i've benefited so much from just that part of me that's always been sort of willing to step into the unknown and dr heather richardson the beverly hills breast cancer surgeon who tells a story full of tragedy and love i scream at her this is a bag of guns you need to call 9-1-1 everything spills out and i just scream run listen to the unimaginable on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast but you're saying when you go to that

27:40 hotel show like you what you still despite of the circumstances your gift is still performance yeah yeah i think i think the thing that i have spent um my like gym of sort of my life has been in like performing the thing that i have like grown sort of a callous around is being the being the one who was like i'm gonna set the tone because i've been in so many strange situations because i have this very specific demo so it's like i've played every pride in this one yeah yeah that's my like [ __ ] the like the memes that i saw when the pandemic happened and it was like daddy who filing for unemployment because the price season and i'm like no literally actually actually literally oh god so it's like that is my i've been we often talk you know we've been to some pretty bleak prides you know yeah like sure but then those are so important they're so important backstage every time i'm like they need

28:24 us more here yes every time i'm like this is and i know like i played i played a festival that was called i'm not i'm not dragging him the festival was great i was not the right person to be like again probably some homo it was like we should get betty who yeah thank you but it was uh roots and blues so it was an all-female festival which i loved but it was exclusively girls playing guitars yeah and i get out with my track set with me and my homosexuals and their washboard abs yeah they're really like oiled up legs they are so hot you know what i'm doing yes that's clear i know what i'm doing yeah yeah um but i'm like i come out and i'm immediately like oh and we start and people are like leaving and that doesn't by the way that doesn't really happen i'm like the number one person who'll be like i know you weren't expecting this but you're gonna enjoy this by the end of it and it usually

29:14 works and so this was like a time when it was not working and i was like four songs in and i had my first break and i was like i bet you're wondering what i'm doing here i'm wondering the same thing but you know what colombia missouri tonight we are going to have a great time yeah and people just kept i mean it's like they kept leaving and i was like this is it's still and i saw and you can see so there's like the front vip section that's supposed to be slammed with all the people who have their fancy wristbands yeah crickets nobody's in the vip section so it's just dead space between me and the one homo yeah who's living i think there was one there was one gay guy over here and then i'm making an assumption about her sexuality but i i suspect that it was one lesbian gal in a huku t-shirt and the other guy was also in a betty hood t-shirt and they it's like because if i feel often when i see people like that in the

30:02 crowd they don't just know the word style of yours forever they know the words to the [ __ ] deep cuts that i'm playing blue have a minute crashed yeah and they're like in the second verse like like on the wrist you know what i mean i'm like oh like [ __ ] this is you were you were in the record yeah and it's so it is such it's like a shot of adrenal i'm like [ __ ] i get so jacked up cause i'm like this you have been you're in columbia missouri yeah and you probably came to this festival wearing your hukuru t-shirt to come see us all of these like old middle-aged people who literally don't give a [ __ ] about it's not for them yeah i know that it is for you yes and i will not let you down that's it sir and ma'am i mean or anyone in between that you know what i mean yeah yeah i mean matt and i performed to an audience of one and audience of one and we outnumbered the audience and it was screaming did they really enjoy

30:49 themselves though well it was a thrill it's really crazy like to think back that that was like that was like six seven years ago that wasn't a long 27 times ago and we literally it was it was like a like alt show and like a baby but more than one person would come yeah but one person came and we did the show we did the whole show for our friend but but that was it's called rehearsal and thank you brittany beyonce rehearsal in it it's me it's putting you on the path to the moment when it's like i think that especially in this business i hear a lot about this and i see it a lot where it's like all of these weird stumbles that you have make you uniquely prepared for your destiny in whatever way that is so it's like for all of the times that you have fallen on your face in front of that one audience member who you gave you put on the list [ __ ] so it's like for all of that like there will be some weird cosmic moment where

31:42 you're like isn't it funny that this i've had a lot of that where it's like i played one show that was horrible and i was so mad and i was like at my management like why am i playing this [ __ ] show nobody [ __ ] gave [ __ ] like this is so bad and then it's like two years later one person was at that show who actually books for jimmy kimmel and now yeah and it's real and it's like you to have the perspective enough to be like well another one bites the dust sure is like kind of easier said than done but i think especially i heard you literally i was listening to the shawn episode for who i love by the way sean hayes yeah so great his husband scotty yeah follows me on instagram god i think that's my answer oh yeah yeah you have it in 100 yeah sean is a big classical guy i'm trying to find my classical music people i need someone to go to the orchestra with ah oh yes that's perfect you know and i was like i

32:27 was like i'm pretty sure that shawn hayes is gonna be my orchestra day mm-hmm but he doesn't know that we're gonna we're gonna go i'm sure he knows you like scotty's played you like in there i'm sure yeah scotty's the one really holding it down i get that energy yeah right i love it when someone someone is like um whenever like i think like anthony was like cooking in the kitchen and ignore me was not in the background and i'm like and he's a little bit of a dubstep the first time he met he was like he actually anthony the first time we met he said my his then boyfriend yeah yes was like the biggest bet yeah he was stand by association yeah so i don't want to speak for him and now full blown stan oh i'm sure i mean while he was cooking ignore me was playing and i was like i think um when i met anthony he said that and i was like oh my god and i made a joke because i was like you're literally so hot yeah and and i

33:10 don't think he liked that and i think that made him pull a little bit away from him i feel like i i objectif i would like to publicly apologize sometimes piece of me you know what i made a joke to oh my god army hammer one like this is years ago yeah let's just let's just pause for a second yeah yeah yeah okay gather yourself but it was i have a question about that actually i'm ready this is really okay okay i'm sorry you go you go it was sundance and he came in this is like before all of it and like he came to call me by your name postcard by your name so yeah and i was i was like doing a fun little interview with him and who else was it um some someone else he was in this movie and i'm talking to him and i'm like not like a journalist i'm doing bits with everyone that's coming in so my bit with him was like oh isn't it funny like we're here at robert redford's like sundance film festival he's like the hot

33:57 actor of yesteryear and here you are the hottest actor of today and he really like shut down hot people i think they don't like to necessarily hear about the hotness because and i kind of i was kind of annoyed because i was like what no one's ever made a joke about you being hot like please give me a [ __ ] breakfast you literally played the winklevoss twitch like that's like you're you gotta you have a vibe yeah but then i was like i mean maybe they maybe like in their like privileged way that's their way of being objectified like but i don't know i guess maybe another thing is like they don't necessarily know how to respond to it like it's it's like a sure maybe this is a controversial question but i have a question about ms hammer okay i understand like i don't know any let me preface yes i don't actually know enough detail to be speaking but i don't so i don't know about like consent or

34:41 any of that stuff so like if that's involved that's not the thing right there felt like there was a lot of cake shaming going on surrounding the army of it all and i had a feeling during it i was like if he changed his bio to 100 a cannibal we would all laugh about this and everything would be chill but then all of a sudden he's being chased with pitchforks out of hollywood i think there were some consensus this is what i don't know about and this is why i carefully i i i understand i like the root of this question and it's like if it were kind of distilled to that to like a kink and like maybe he hasn't actually acted on it dirty messages where the girl who he's talking to and that's like she's like lol do you like that it's like yeah he and it's just like he's like very unsafe and then shared all of that he's not like i'm gonna come kill you at your house give me your address i don't know i don't know enough about

35:27 it it went beyond dirty talk i think i think it is i think it was like it like genuinely got dark there was footage at one point see i don't i don't know enough i just know i saw some of the like his outlandish cannibalism stuff and i was like honestly good for her like why are we you know she's walking in her troops you can be into feet you can be into what have you and if you have a partner who's consensual in that then like rock on the funny thing is like have they all the trailers for this movie death on the nile are coming out and like that's so crazy how they edit around him and it's so clear he's like the lead of the movie like him and gal gadot i think are like a couple who are like the leader they didn't replace him they did not because he wouldn't come seeing it like he's not in it they're like look over here he's literally like like there'll be like a flash of him like passing by and the

36:10 trailer is so trying to cut around him and it's really funny but it's just it's kind of crazy because he's the lead of the movie and you forget like you know this [ __ ] takes so long like and maybe they did another pass we're not over it yet for sure and i know when it all happened he got dropped i think he was supposed to be in marry me wasn't that supposed to not marry me but another um shotgun wedding a different difference yes he was he was supposed to be in shotgun winning and i believe got replaced by josh dumel yes but that was like he was going down to like puerto rico to go shoot it and then they were like no you're not yeah which is probably the right yeah oh i mean we're definitely not over and i don't have enough details but i just i remember being like just uh like are you allowed to be a freak like so what i bet lots of people i think that i think that there's positive stuff you

36:54 know freaks and tons of freaks in hollywood and i think that he went beyond to the point where it's like you know you know you know what's funny is it's like i forgot when that all was happening with him that he was a big enough deal to warrant all of that because he to me is always just kind of like he wasn't my favorite because around when called me by your name came out that's true there was this piece that i remember coming uh uh uh coming out about how like um why has hollywood given this man so many seconds you're right because he was he's been in a lot of flops and it feels like if a woman or like an actor of color had had that many like missed attempts at nailing it that they'd be like okay we're moving on yeah but i think it's like i think he comes from a very wealthy family and also looks that way sure you know what i mean so it's like they would love nothing more than to be able to put

37:41 hollywood loves to forget yeah for a favor for a favorite they love to forget no don't worry about it but like all but i think we're i think but i see that's what's what's what's kind of being questioned right now by a lot of people it's like was he ever the favorite though like because i think he was just about to start working in like the sense of like army hammer works and and then it and then this all happened yeah like you know also we've given our behavior to too much of our time at this point like army hammer has now taken up way too much fun with the two of you to talk about everything anymore absolutely i am 100 cannibals wait um as long as you're in a just a cool safe environment okay are you are you willing to try this um this this plant-based meat alternative that tastes like human oh oh i don't know

38:40 and this is this i'm taking the kink out of it this is just for people who like enjoy the gustatory sensation of eating human flesh wait i'm so sorry so yeah there is i i think i think now like this is a few years ago but now like it's gaining traction not too much traction but there are like plants like alternatives for a shoe that like that tastes like human flesh that's insane so how do who who who is that i don't know what's the matter so like army hammer should be the face of it like embrace your weird sex pink and i think the shame of it is a part of the scary part yeah this is your this is your world bro we're just limiting it now you have an industry now for me it's not even i don't know if it's a shame it might be but i'm here thinking i'm never going to try that stuff because if i try and i like it yeah then what what do i do well then also like for at what at what cost i don't

39:30 know yeah yeah i don't i don't know what else yes and also i want to know who's in the lab being like let me taste test it yeah that's right how do you know see this remind but you know what we would be good for is for unsuspecting people who don't know they're being fed human because this is a true crime phenomenon the solid green of it all of us let me set the stage for you uh this is a like wives tale probably but it's like six degrees of separation i heard this story about a girl who was on a date a tinder some kind of online date all right she's been talking to this guy scary yes he invites her to his house always no always public place girls and boys yeah for the friendly especially first couple days you're stressing it out like for the love of god yeah she goes to his place he cooks through a meal they hang out they have dinner she eats it halfway through the meal no by the way this is

40:23 completely be untrue but i love it anyways i'm going to pretend like you're right entirely true she halfway through the meal it's like i'm actually i'm feeling like i'm like like i have to go home i'm like i'm getting sick and i have to go she gets home she becomes violently ill where she's like oh i have to go to the hospital like she is not okay she's like [ __ ] blood like it's big bad and she goes to the hospital and they pump her stomach and they examine and she had been she ate a human at dinner and he and they look the police get involved the whole thing they look up this guy he was it was an airbnb he had used a fake name and paid cash his profile was fake it didn't exist like everything about him had been like all she had was the experience of it happening but she didn't have any photos of him like his profile was like oh so he got off on feeding her human and then ditched down and then literally was

41:10 never to be seen again this is one of the this is a film and he needs to start but here here's my full here's my full circle is if the young lady who had been on the date had tried this beef you speak of that tastes like human that is plant-based yeah she would be like you know what this tastes like human and i know because i've had the fake baby stuff and then it's just it's too late she'll still have eaten it right cannibalism is in the conversation right now because of yellow jackets have you watched it i have not yet we never have we because we're like scared yeah i don't know i don't know for me tv um like taking in stuff from yeah what's your media diet i um i'm not uh i know you're a housewives family yeah i'm not i'm not a reality goes as far as the bachelor for me and i wasn't even a bachelor queen and until you were on it yeah and then i was like what the [ __ ] is happening yeah because

42:04 i shot the app you know it's like i'm standing on stage at this random [ __ ] high school of blake from the bachelor in the middle of nowhere in uh colorado and i had flown out for literally 12 hours because i had something else and it was like they asked me four days before yeah can you be at this high school so i'm sitting in this auditorium waiting for and like and the producer is like sorry we're holding they're like two minutes two minutes and then i hear we're holding sorry they're making out against the lockers we're holding we're holding and i was like i have to watch this this is my my entrance now yeah i mean talk about a straight audience this is context for me like i have now i i have to see this so i watched i started watching becca's season from the beginning and it was also really nice because becca is like a [ __ ] betty houston oh really when i went to follow her after i had

42:46 done it so i could dm her and be like so nice to meet you like so fun like hope you find love i opened our dms to go dm her and she had dm'd me three years prior saying betty who when you come i'm coming to your show in minneapolis will you help me film my bachelor audition take the full circle and it was her audition to be on the first season that she was on artie or whatever i watched

43:17 so basically he like broke up with her live on live national television and she was like this is really [ __ ] up like it wasn't like it didn't feel like feel good for the camera's drama they did it on snl actually cecily played her on snl because it was such a viral moment basically like it's like the the finale happens he proposes to her she's so happy and then they like can't see each other for like a few weeks or something or like oh and then so the cameras fought basically he had decided that he wanted the other girl he made the he made the wrong one he picked the wrong girl so they were like okay well we have to film your reunion with her so basically they follow him with the cameras in he sits down and she's like hey it's so good to see you and you can still kind of see it they're engaging you can see it dawn on her and her eyes set like she's like what's going on and he's like i've decided that

44:04 it's nothing that you did but i have to be with her and basically they followed her meltdown around the house and she keeps being like becca yes oh she keeps being like stop like leave me alone and they won't and like people from bachelor nation like from the show were tweeting like this is personal and beyonce and i can't believe you guys did this so i can't believe you've done this so it was so like [ __ ] up and then which we had her season and she she became the best she became so they made her the bachelorette which i love because she deserved her [ __ ] moment and she's so cool and genuinely very very nice i've seen her actually she lives nowhere now okay um but she came to like six betty who's show and so so the producer this is like the producer called me and they make playlists for them because they're not a lot of phones oh sure because they take all of their yeah for like three months so like but

44:52 you're playing strains and automobiles i mean pre-covered everybody was going all over the you know they filmed an episode in phuket for no reason and you're like oh yeah that's right like let's go so it's like 18 hours of travel time with no devices make them playlists like big playlists and becca was like just buddy i just went with somebody all the time and so the producer called and was like do you want to do this thing whatever so i did the show and it was my first in because otherwise straight people don't know me so i was like becca is my one in a million yeah she's a good one she's my aunt she's like she was the first bachelorette that was like up front about being like a liberal democrat like right yeah she because they're not really supposed to talk about politics like i think rachel lindsay said at one point like it's like she couldn't connect with it's like a thing of like they don't want you

45:33 to talk about it on the show because they don't they don't want to be disqualified and they shoot everything so you're basically meeting someone in fact the guy back i chose like i heard about this interestingly about garrett and i they are not together anymore and she's now she found love on bachelor in paradise yeah this last season right she seems very happy god bless but um there's a lot of controversy around garrett i don't know anything about anything okay garrett and becca came to nashville pride they were in nashville and becca found out that i was playing national pride and she was like oh my god can we come and i put her on i was like sure girlfriend is after the show whatever year or something she's still with garrett he comes first of all i'm like for someone who's supposed to be like a transphobic like monster he's at nashville pride and he was like dancing and having a great time so i was like

46:16 that's always that's already a great start great you know for what i'm this is just my personal thing i'll take it i love i love heterosexual men who can be cool uh in a gay environment and not be like all gay panic about it right that's my entire life is i have a very queer life and so like if you're trying to ride that's gotta that's you're gonna have to get down yeah so like my husband i lived with my husband and his best friend from high school to like extremely heterosexual men yeah and i have gay them up it is so so beautiful and awesome and like my very heterosexual roommate he's definitely straighter than my husband was like i can't believe how gay you've made my life like genuinely like i could never have expected that this but like all of my best friends he was like scott hoying like all of his best collaborators like all of these amazing queer people and he was like i would have never expected and like what

47:06 a beautiful gift you've given me and i was like it's just atmospheric and environmental you're just like you're just kind of like showing them things that like have no actual that are just culturally like queer people and queer culture is is like it's like it's magic it's joyful it's it's it's it's it's ugly and gross in like really beautiful ways yeah yeah yeah i'm getting super into queer i'm so we just moved and so i'm getting really into queer arts thinking about what i want to play yeah we're redecorating and i i like got super deep on etsy looking up all these like old like the devil is a lesbian like yeah like old book like like porny kind of like from 1932 so it's really like tasteful and i think i love like old school queer stuff yeah kind of from another time because now we all just get to be however we want to be and like live our lives and it's so fabulous and great and lucky for us but i love this sort of

47:52 like scary like taboo spooky gay stuff from from pre the 80s you're not gonna get it all right just make sure you know the big stuff like making sure your kids are buckled correctly in the right seat for their agent's eyes get it right visit nhtsa.gov slash the right seat brought to you by the national highway traffic safety administration and the ad council let's face it everyone struggles with making impulse purchases and they usually lead to thinking where did all my money go if that sounds familiar then have we got a show for you on frugal friends podcast we think getting your financial life together doesn't have to mean eating ramen and never seeing your friends again everyone should be able to reach their financial goals while leading a life they love whether you're trying to pay off debt start investing for retirement or just keep money in your savings account longer than three weeks

49:03 we have over 200 episodes with all the tips and motivation you need to feel confident about money without the guilt and shame of strict budgeting our goal with every episode is to help you save on the things you need so you can enjoy more of the things in life money can't buy you can listen to frugal friends podcasts on the iheartradio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts

49:32 this is the unimaginable i'm your host and musician james brown i created this podcast to bring people with unimaginable stories to the center of conversation because their perspectives are as unique as they are powerful including teresa cropper a former black panther the deeper the love the deeper the grief every death has its purpose or katrina bal who plays ma in the oscar award-winning movie belfast and claire in the hit tv show outlander i think i've benefited so much from just that part of me that's always been sort of willing to step into the unknown and dr heather richardson the beverly hills breast cancer surgeon who tells a story full of tragedy and love i scream at her this is a bag of guns you need to call 9-1-1 everything spills out and i just scream run listen to the unimaginable on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast what's your relationship with nashville

50:30 now do you are you because were you working out of there like like writing stuff or no i feel like i've heard you talk about being in nashville like i was i was working on my i'm working on my record with someone who lives between nashville and utah okay great so i was writing songs in nashville and that's gotta be such a good vibe yeah you know he's um he's definitely like read read america which is kind of a funny like i'm trying to just make this like beautiful queer like a songwriter a record and he's like we have so many different kind of experiences in our lives and i think we're finding this really interesting um balance and i'm i'm super jacked about it it's my long time producing patna who i made my first three records with peter thomas oh my god and his stuff is incredible stream peter thomas look at what you've done one of my favorite songs ever it's like that's the lights off

51:13 of the lights oh god um that is uh um look at what we've done is one of those moments like on the train coming across the train uh um from brooklyn into the city when you cross the bridge and you're above ground and i was listening to it and i was like looking the sun was setting over manhattan and uh look at what we've done was playing and i was like wow this is a moment i'm having a flash right now because i remember well first of all that and also like like the song just thought you should know like when i first heard that i was like wow this is like you just so happened to lyrically and like sonic you're like really yeah my life yeah i really wanted to get back with my ex at that point yeah and i was like i was like this song is perfectly saying what i want to say and it's good that i didn't act on those impulses looking back but like that's why i wrote the song instead of did the thing exactly

52:07 that's why is that an experience that you have often absolutely like let me live out this thing in a song there's a big part of especially like as a married lady at 30. my life is a lot i don't i do things for the experience a lot i love like i was never i don't have take like taste as far as like men or women like if you can make me laugh like i've never i've always been just down because i'm like so what especially at like 23 i was like cool i'll have some weird experience with this person i would never ordinarily go out with and how rich does that make my life like i've always been but now i can i have less of that sure uh agency by choice because i want to have like kind of a stable you know emotional life and so there's a lot of i think my like responsibility in songwriting i think about right like i want to write the experience and also i think putting words to an experience that it was so

52:53 real for me so that when other people don't have the you go oh my god how did like joni mitchell did that for me when i was a teenager it was like how do you know yeah what it is because i know it's a feeling but i don't know what it is and then you hear it and you go that's what it is and that's like so i'm trying to really like get super microscopic and go in on a real specific feeling or experience that i go like i've never heard a song about this thing like about this one moment if you zoom so far in so that like yes it might be more niche but then the people who it speaks to it speaks to tenfold and i think that's kind of where i'm i'm doing a lot of different stuff i'm trying to like really focus at using my music career as like very specific niche stuff because i i'm lucky enough to now there's a bunch of stuff coming up in my career that are all very different to what i've been doing for a long time because quarantine

53:39 made us all have to pivot for some you know especially as a touring musician i go like okay yeah what do i do now figure adapt you know that absolutely so there's been a lot of change and growth and so it's cool to then come back to my music and be like well now that i have all of these other outlets like there's less of me needing to prove stuff in my because it was like the only way i could express myself for so long it was my only outlet and that was really unhealthy so now i'm like writing music for an animated kids show where we just got the pilot picked up and that's going to be amazing and i'm like obsessed with it and i'm so passionate about it and it's like oh i get to write like a boy band song and then it's like now betty who record doesn't have to be i love instinct but i love this thing and i want to explore all these different genres it's like i get to do that now on the show that it's

54:21 meant for and i get to be more strategic about what i actually want to put on my record because i don't have all of this stuff that's like desperate to get out of me to you know i have somewhere else to put that and it's like really i'm really pumped wow that's the thing that's exactly that you're jacked up i can tell jacked up well you wrote this um i think you posted your artist's streams for spotify at the end of the year and i and and i think you i think the first line was like i mean not bad for someone who has like put out something you know in a while yeah and like and it ended up just being this beautiful love letter to like the fans and you're like this is the reason why like the numbers are still like this despite the output or whatever you know and like because you're a soundtrack because you're a soundtrack yeah that's what you that's what i i just i love that you say that because

55:03 that's exactly what i'm trying to do so it's great i feel saying because right because just a second ago when like matt you really i think you i think you joked half joked like yeah this song is about you like that you weren't joking no no because i know because i know that you were like oh that's literally and i'm like no i know because i mean i'm so happy that you're happy now wait that's a lie that that like immediacy in the writing like that like discussion with yourself like i'm just gonna say that that's not even true i'm bailing on myself mid-thought like i don't know it's just like it really and i think also because in the stream of consciousness thing and also because music exists inside you like you experience it up here in your brain and in your heart your head movies and yes and so like that is you know it's just it's not every writer that can just do that you know what i mean like also it's like

55:46 when you're sitting down to try i think the people make the mistake of um i'm going to write a hit and they think it's like and the ship has long sailed for me on a hit song to that capacity to like sure it's funny i was actually i was i was listening i was on the panel i cut you off and i'm so sorry and i really want to hear what you have to say well all i'm saying is like it's that specificity that is actually more universal and it's like even in comedy and like it's it's so interesting sometimes when you get notes that are like how do we make this this and it's like no no exist in the specificity it's like when i when i was auditioning for a pilot season like a couple years ago like i would i would see every network script and it felt like they were trying to appeal to everyone and they were trying to like type in no one type into like a device like what's gonna be a hit show in 2020 and it's like um you know

56:33 like it's like has like this diverse cast and it's like about this thing and it's like a woke joke like a wolf joke and in the sort of like the bad parts event just like that where it's like trying so hard to be the thing instead of telling a specific authentic story about what it is and it's like that with music too you know whatever yeah oh my god you just referenced the cat yeah such a it's so like pee pee poo poo it's like okay and what else like you get it yeah but that's such a i think it's harder in i'm i'm in my first four into film and tv um we have a mutual friend sam lenski i think you know tammy sam and i are writing a movie musical together actually he told me about that yes and it's really i think it's fierce you would hope that i think it's he's such a great writer oh my god he's incredible and we've had a real it's been such an eye opening experience today the cat me screenwriting and doing that and it's

57:16 something i've gotten really into and i think i hope sam and i are gonna do a lot more of it together which is really fun yeah um but that's like the thing about music that's so specific to it because i had a really different experience in screenwriting the difference in music is i think the right song can remind us how we are all the [ __ ] same because you say just thought you should know is literally my life and i'm like do you know how many people that song specifically because it's so specific yeah have been like no how did you do that and i'm like right but this is what i'm saying yeah different people from different socioeconomic backgrounds people of different races of different genders of different identities sexually like all types of people have been like that is literally my life and i'm like right because we are literally all the [ __ ] yeah and don't patronize me with your

58:00 art you know what i mean it's like let's tell the story and i can connect to it you know what i mean like all the things that really pop off are because they get specific and they get real and that's where the authenticity is not in these things of like let's type into let's type in get an algorithm of what's going to work because we feel well there's no soul there's no one who can be more than you the doctor right right and also by the way like i am a huge proponent of pop music and and algorithmic pop music as an art form i stan a perfectly sculpted crafted nothing pop song i love black pink like that is literally the most pee pee poo poo poo rap here must rhyme here and then is hit song and i'm like yeah yes you're correct and it works yeah and i am obsessed and something i've had to uh this was a big realization it's like oh the there's a huge pot of pop culture that i as a consumer identify with and

58:55 love but that is not does not mean that that's the artist that i actually am it's kind of the artist that i wish i could be and it's like because the part of me that wishes i could like be five foot three in the bra on stage in the rain at brittany at the end with a clear cowboy hat doing the like sexy pop star thing where you have the full choreography and 75 dancers and it's all tightened together it's like well actually like i'm a big giant girl who like played cello my whole life and so that's just like i'm fundamentally that's not who i am but it's so there's this big choice of like oh it's just because i love it doesn't mean it's who i actually am and i've had to shed a lot of stuff that isn't really authentic to me actually because of how much of that part of culture that i love now that i've become who i really are yeah it rhymed better and ariana was like that doesn't make sense and max martin was like nobody

59:40 cares and guess what break free was like the biggest song of that year i listened to it all the time now that i've become who i really are yeah i'm screaming it because i can't believe it and it's like who [ __ ] cause actually who cares biggest song ever yeah high hopes by panic at the disco has like 35 writers and the the uh brandon's manager told me a story i toured with panic and it was an incredible experience i'm i'm literally obsessed with them and he seems very close he seems great cannot say enough nice things the whole crew the fans it is so my people it's like a bunch of [ __ ] weirdos who love brandon and i'm like yes like my fans feel the same way it's like a bunch of like outcasts who love betty who's like a very similar energy and high hopes the chorus was a song that had been pitched as a rap song and it was like the panic's manager heard it and was like this should be a

1:00:25 panic song not like they wanted the hook to be on a rap song and he was like no no no this is a panic song there are like 12 writers on that song and sometimes when major labels come together to like do god's work it you go like oh yeah someone probably was like it's not hooky enough and everybody was like we're all going to kill ourselves and then it was literally the biggest song at top 40 radio for nine months and it's like sometimes do a leipa that is major label money at good at good work she is the pop star like that is a curated created pop star by a massive corporation she had all the things she had all the stuff and they said we will expense you into being a star and she said okay so what what is dojo cat to you then that is like doja is is a an icon in a different way too yeah yeah her she is so authentic and so [ __ ] weird i was listening to her pre-moo yeah i was like you were on it i was showing

1:01:19 this guy i was dating i was like you got to listen to that here's a video for this song called go to town by this girl doji cat and like no one was listening to her yeah and i was like you guys like who's doha cat i know i know it's like how do you pronounce it and like now it's like i feel like doji cat is actually algorithm pop star slash you know like mc turned giant megastrong like that is also in some way the label system at work 100 and that's to do with her music because i look at her i look at her per entertainer side and i go like that is god given nobody paid for that and she's like damn like she's people are paying someone to put her in rehearsal and i and i also like listen we've all seen the video we all know the move oh yeah yeah that person did not change i will say i will say i respect that this girl has been in her like seeing her now she got it down she has that same choreo down she might not be

1:02:12 janet jackson but i don't want her to be janet she's and i'm really appreciative that she said you know what i'm being [ __ ] dragged why don't i get my ass in rehearsal and i'm gonna get i'm gonna tighten this up a little bit and i see her now and i'm like [ __ ] you must respect i must about like credit where credit is due yeah i love that about her this is my thing right now and like it's this kind of goes back to what you're saying like oh you're the ship has sailed for you to write a hit song i feel like we're no longer living in a monoculture anymore anyway so there is no thing that like everyone from all quadrants all sectors is gonna like zero in on at the same time it's just not gonna happen well then listen like this is the other thing i think about is i social media for me is fun when it's supposed to be fun and then i like mostly makes me feel bad about myself and i try to disengage from it you know

1:02:55 i think most people feel that way probably yes i am i know what it looks like when you're really great at social media because one of my best friends my best friend who's my roommate in college freshman year sarah she's my ride-or-die [ __ ] she's good at the internet she speaks internet yeah and i'm like an old lady like i totally don't understand comparatively because i see her and i go you know you oh you have it i don't and i am having this moment there's you know music i think everything streaming everything is so crazy and we're all kind of coming to a head of like okay you can't pay artists nothing we have to figure it out we're figuring it out stuff has to be figured out yes tick tock like i went out oh she's man i'm going to [ __ ] say it say it um i went out you know i'm taking some of my first couple singles out to sort of test the waters because i uh yes yes no that makes total sense because i

1:03:43 have had kind of a not a great first record label experience but i also believe that like i also see what happens when record labels are put lissa lizzo i feel very connected to as an artist she's making the music she wants to make she wants to make a good [ __ ] vibe and she wants to entertain people and i go like same and she loves sparkle and i'm like yeah no no we were like same demo before she got really famous we were both on tour a month apart and so i was at every venue behind her and we had a co-headline tour booked and then she popped off and i was like bye you enjoy the grammys i do remember that time when i remember we were like we were doing this we were literally like in it together i was like that's my [ __ ] like we didn't know each other but i was like you and me sister like i feel kinship here and she had a moment and i was like what one day for me it'll happen but she i feel like that

1:04:26 is major label money going like no we can support what you do and make it massive and that's all i ever wanted was to be like i will do i will do the work i love to work that's the i love it point me in the direction and say dance monkey dance and i am so desperate for your validation i'm happy to please and so i had this bad experience with my first label and i was like there's no way that there's not a label partner out there for me that can do the same thing that has happened to lizzo to all of these amazing peers i look around and go like has had the right that's just the right relationship yeah and i was a baby at aussie a i made so many mistakes because i didn't have good guidance because nobody how do you know it's a very big label too i didn't have peers in the industry that i could actually you know i was young and it was me and all my friends who just graduated from college and we were living in new york

1:05:11 and i'd signed a record deal and i was the first one out of berkeley that i knew other than charlie charlie puth and i went to school together oh that's right yeah and so he signed to ellen's label but he had he was like famous immediately and i was like occult hit with the gays and then just like played every pride in america and that so we had very different paths anyway right right um straight culture but but i this is like i had this moment i was like i'm gonna go out i'm just gonna see because what if i take some meeting and it's in the best meeting of my life and this is i'm you know i went around i needed a new agent and i went to caa being like it's the death star like everyone says that you're just gonna get eaten alive in there and i had literally the meaning of my life and they have been smashing it for me so i'm like what do i [ __ ] know why don't i go out and see what's about it

1:05:49 there's not a single record label in this town that will sign me they all turned me down immediately without even like hands down and it's like i talked to my producer about it he's like i can't believe it's 2022 and betty who can't get a record deal and i'm like the but this is where it's shifting as they go we want to sign people with a viral hit on tick tock only yeah that's really so embarrassing for you it's real that's so it's your thing and because that just lays bare this truth that like okay so the labels are are being subjugated to like this thing that is not in their control at all it is so embarrassing and i'm like well clearly that answers my question i don't want to be there anyway you know what i mean it's like i don't want to be somewhere i'm not wanted and clearly i just wrote a song that i love that i'm super excited about call that's called love letter and it's about being like

1:06:28 i'm going to write this is my last love letter because like i'm if i'm not wanted here then i guess i'll just [ __ ] off like what am i gonna do like wait around for you to decide that you're falling in love with me and you're obsessed with me like no like you're this is what you get and if you're not down like i'm i guess i have to do something different and i just i so now i'm i'm i think i'm going to do this distribution deal that's me it's about i get to keep my masters you know it's about ownership etc etc actual financial gain from something that costs all of my money and all of my time and effort like as it should be etc etc so it's everything's going really well as far as that goes but like it is i'm not going to wake up and all of a sudden be really good at tic toc so me being an old person on an app trying to force it will not make it any better no and so i kind of am in this place where

1:07:15 i'm like like there are a lot of people in my ear always talking you know i was talking about all the things that you can be doing and i'm like listen at what point am i gonna be like it's really about now that i'm doing also like writing this this music for this animated tv show i go like i'm getting so much more out of it out of jobs yeah again i love to work i just host i have speaking of reality tv i host a reality show that i can't i find a massive ndi for so i can't say anything about it but it will be coming out this year and that's going to be so [ __ ] ridiculous and fun and i had the time of my life and everybody kept being like you're such a great host and i was like i'm not doing anything i can't believe i'm being paid to be here this is the best job of my life no i hosted a show too and i was crazy i was it was wild how easy it was for how much money it's so much fun and i was like i have been i

1:08:00 saw luke bryan no disrespect to luke ryan obsessed i'm a country guy i love i love country music i love nashville country music songwriting stuff so i'm obsessed i went to my friends um runaway june theraband a country girl band that i love my friends run uh runaway june were opening for luke bryan so i went to the show i've never been to a luke bryant show and i was like this man is in a pair of jeans and a baseball hat yep he came out here and he does like a little gyration like a silly he's drinking ripping margaritas on stage yeah halfway through the show i'm like you're [ __ ] up like this is rock and roll yeah he just is like weird gyration and i'm like it's like kind of objectively uh like categorically an ugly dance move and all of the women in staples corny yeah and i was like i'm an idiot like i work so hard and luke bryan is selling out staples center having the time of his life showing up and i was like i'm

1:08:51 maybe i'm the dumb ass no but hosting is this for me so i'm like this is lit you found your private disabled it's like this is me going like oh [ __ ] yeah and i loved being a part of something where someone's like okay now go make the moment happen that's what i love to do so now music for me in this gorgeous exciting way is like i just get to do what i actually want to do like i i don't have any i need a hit song paranoia because of rca or whatever record label anything i want i'm not trying to make a 14-minute like esoteric jazz record i want to make pop songs that make people dance and have fun like that's a part of it but i'm not going to sit and obsess over it because why i have jobs now i get to go i just want to work and have a great time and whatever comes from it i should be so lucky and i think i've heard you guys talk about this where you just become a professional all of a sudden yeah i feel

1:09:40 like my first song came out in 2012. so this is my 10-year anniversary of being in the biz wow yeah she like woke up and became she like turned 30 and i'm a professional now yeah and i'm like i got asked to score this the show that i'm writing the music for and i have zero experience there and my imposter syndrome is going crazy and one of my best friends was like you're just a professional person now and like people can expect you to ask something of you and that you can do it and you just have to say yes and you always know more than you think or give yourself like i'm dealing with that right now because i'm shooting this this showtime series and i literally had that thing before i got there

1:10:20 confirmed vibes are very good and i'm excited about it but i did have that thing the night before where i was like they made a mistake like i can't believe this like i'm gonna get there and no not all my lines like who do i think i am like you know and all these things and then this was like the first job i've had where i actually showed up in the morning and i said to myself no you deserve it and you've worked a really long time and you are good and like you're actually gonna hold your own on there and then you know what and you [ __ ] did well that will be for other people to decide but i feel good about it but but it's the thing of like you do get to a certain point and you probably have this i would imagine because there's no bigger stage so it's like and there's no more bigger pressure and there is that thing of like you actually at a certain point and i do think it's with time and with age you

1:11:04 say to yourself whatever it is you're doing if you're not in the entertainment industry like whatever doing whatever it is that you do teachers you know getting those preschool jitters like when a new class is going to come in like when you finally say to yourself no you know what i'm a professional and i can do this and i'm better at it than i am ever going to give myself credit for because i think we all have that that thing that and maybe it's like a defense mechanism or it's like let me knock myself down before the world your whole life your whole life you have sat with your like deficiencies your self-perceived deficiency so of course you're going to talk yourself into into this place where you're like i don't deserve this when did you get comfortable i was just doing that i was just about to ask because i i wonder because you're not only a cost member of the biggest sketch show of all time but a breakout breakout

1:11:49 star and also now you have this like flourishing acting career that i feel like you i wonder because snl has changed so much in your life yeah are you at a place where you are like auditioning for stuff and still not booking some or are you like offer only i get the choice of whatever i want to do like what is her energy these days is like still a mix of both like i had to put myself on tape for a couple things and didn't get them and i was like okay that's and that feels actually very refreshing refreshing and not refreshing no no not no just grounding keep me keep me grounded keep me humble from my fabulous life and uh oh i remember this i remember this feeling and i like i don't know just being just being able to triangulate like um oh like i'm i still have a ways to go or like i'm still not like i still have to like figure stuff out and like oh and i've set up a nice like base for myself to

1:12:38 like work off of it you know yes yeah but i've not asked you that question yet though no no no no no i'm like i'm realizing that i've never depended it depends like it was like when taylor was on were you stressed a little when taylor was on i was stressed well that was a crazy week yeah because there was a lot of talk about doing something on weekend update with her and then things in the schedule kind of got crazy and then like it just didn't happen and i was kind of like damn like i could have could have done something and then lauren was like she'll come back and i'm like okay whatever i don't know this is we can keep this in but like uh a healthy bts yeah it's healthy bts but like i don't it depends it depends on my mental state like week to week like where you're at inside of yourself because then you can be like i kind of had a tough week and this is like hard to put yourself it's like yes

1:13:26 it's like what you do is do you feel this way before live shows like at work like every week feels like the most important week of your life and it and it resets and that's the beauty of it but like i only am able to take like a granular look at it like week to week yeah you're so [ __ ] you have to because if you zoom out you're like do you see the forest for the trees and like it is really yeah jarring and so i don't know i i don't think i'm qui i'm comfortable yet i think people can tell still i think i still have like a ways to go you're not like walking on stepping like this is my home i own this [ __ ] place well okay can i say something like we can leave this out but kristin wig came back when will forte hosted and she was just kind of walking around she and i were in her sketch together and she like kept like trying on different voices and accidents she was like god i don't think i'm figuring this out like

1:14:11 so it never goes away it never goes away you know what even someone like like kristen is like still like second guessing her choices being like i don't know like but but that is so it's it's refreshing though when you work with people and you see people and you get to know people because that's even happening with the actors i'm working with who are like fully i college yeah icons yeah and it's like like they'll express like oh i was really nervous before to start this and i'm like you you you know what i mean like are you stupid like industry legend but that but that just goes to show like that is such a part of the you know sensitivity of like the artist or the performer or whatever like that that thing actually you don't ever really want to lose it no because it's good to have those like if i ever like there was a time like in new york when we were performing truly all the time like and i

1:14:56 i would just walk out onto stage and i felt like it didn't matter how many people it was like i felt good and i was happy for that but i was also like i think it's different a televised weekly experience yeah the stakes are higher for you than like walking out onto onto the stage in like oklahoma city when it's like you're not being broadcast to millions of people it's like the people who are there there and you're like yeah this is my home i know how to do this like you can hit a different thresh like kind of a va like you're in a zone yeah yeah cause i'll i'll lock that's actually it's funny you were like the opposite is true i think on tour which is a problem is you have to remind yourself that every show is the most important show in your life you can get very into like just another show another city like who cares and that's like never the thing that i i want to bring i care i think it's so cool i hate people

1:15:37 who are too cool to care it's like yeah i'm one of the most familiar oh yeah no superiority is is i'm just like it's we're all ha we just want to have fun yeah i just want to be cool and i just want to have fun and like i care of course i care if you like me i'm standing here begging you too i'm not gonna preach like whatever i don't need you and like spits in the spittoon it's like of course i know we all need you even though even the quote unquote coolest people i mean i think it goes back to what you said in the beginning too like i think it's not advice i got it's because it's in her book but amy poehler wrote in her book yes create your career like a bad boyfriend that cause that was the career that was the career advice that i got from polar from her book and i interrupted you a lot today and i'm so sorry please i'm just really excited when you finish your thing first of all that is brilliant

1:16:19 advice but another thing she said that i'll never forget and it is so simple and it's what you said earlier which is if you are having fun they will have fun they want yes and that is a hack and it's actually really easy i mean it is on you too and i mean like you know of course there's like some circumstances that are just tougher than others but you can do yourself so many favors if you just and i understand it's not as easy for everyone in every situation to just decide to be positive energy that day or whatever but you bring and this is the it revolutionized my comedy and i remember that i remember it was like a mixture of like reading that in her book and also like you know basic to say but like watching rupaul

1:17:14 i'm setting the tone like that is part of the x factor i think and that is like actually like something that everyone can achieve if they really let themselves get there because you have to be confident enough to be like no i know what i'm doing and it's also it's like 10 000 hours right it's like you earn it because all of a sudden i've like i go like no so after i i filmed this reality show for a month where i'm a fish out of water the entire time i keep being like do you see me have notes like i don't know what i literally don't know what i'm doing i'm just like swinging for the fences and someone stopped me if i'm doing it wrong i went to play funnily enough the roots and blues festival was the first show that i had played after i just finished the show and i or no what was it it was no i'm wrong it was um the first show of the kesha tour i went out with kesha this year great for a month we had the

1:17:54 best time i'm obsessed with her she's great she's she saw like really i loved her last album and not enough people talked about she's a down [ __ ] and her music [ __ ] i mean i'm here for it like i think she's so tired of hell no one talked about that song you're right very good so it was off and the video is amazing it's so good anyway anyway so the first show of kesha and it was in montana and i walk onto stage after being so out of my yellow for every month and i'm literally i'm putting my in-ears in and i like turning my mic back on and i was just all of a sudden like astral projected out of my body and i was like this is my home i know how to do this yeah it is so natural to me i am so comfortable here and it's like you you earn it go do it you know but i have a question about commitment actually for you yeah i don't know how do you like how my my first question is how sick of you are you talking about snl do you

1:18:41 feel like there's more that defines me are you like this is the cool thing i love talking about somewhere in between i love talking about i am actually flipping the perception of it the other way where i'm like i think people are sick of hearing me talk about it no it's a cool thing that's your life yeah i well thank you you should stand in you and be proud of that always yeah thank you thank you yeah i i always want to talk about it and yet i feel certain people in my life no one in this room but certain people in my life i'm like okay yeah all right cool like that's an issue that's an issue not niche me you know what i mean like that's right about you babe not about me like if you're if my if my grandness is making you insecure i'm so sorry no i mean but i'm listening i'm honest i'm sorry wait that's a real culture that's that's real culture number 40 49. that's an issue girl i feel like i'm i'm i'm in meeting

1:19:27 you and talking to you like i'm truly so uh struck by like how good you are talking about and this is yourself like you're so i but i just i look at you and you have such an ease about you know describing your your life and your career and all this stuff that's what i mean what i mean what i'm excited about and hearing you talk about this is i can tell that you're excited and so from someone coming from someone who's work i've just been having fun someone else yes yeah yeah so that's the thing is it's like i've already enjoyed and been obsessed with so much of your work so to now find out that you

1:20:09 you know silly thing at berkeley when like 100 people came because i'm like not actually famous enough to draw a crowd but i gave like a mask class or whatever and i one of the things i say is like if you don't think you're the tightest person like and there's a difference between confidence and cockiness like that is different and it's a thin line but like you have to believe in it because nobody else is ever going to try as hard for you no one else is ever going to believe in you as much as you do and if you are not your number one like advocate and per person in your own life who has agency to protect you it's that therapy thing of like there's a ten-year-old inside of you that needs protection and you have to be the one to be like hey don't speak to her like that like that's the same thing for me in my career and in my my business is like no one knows that's so dumb i went to assault i was in still cycles it's so

1:20:52 embarrassing but you know angela from soulcycle she's like the famous soulcycle instructor yeah he always takes the answer i actually met her once yeah it was a moment in time no she's very powerful like i'm here for angela i went to a class and by the way i like to succeed in a workout yes yes angela makes it really difficult yeah which is my only note it's not it's about me because maybe i'm just not on her level and i go this is not in all levels class i understand yeah maybe i'll bow out you keep doing you babe but she said in the class she turned it was the most dramatic [ __ ] thing that's ever happened and i was you know sometimes it just it hits you and and working out can be church for some people and so this this one soul cycle angela turns out all the lights and i was in my [ __ ] feels about something and she said she was like god whatever you want to call it whatever that thing

1:21:37 is for you why are you getting your feelings hurt that nobody else can see the vision that god showed to you and you alone you have seen what your life is supposed to be you have seen where you are supposed to go nobody else has yeah why are you out here mad at everybody else for not seeing the vision that god only showed you you that's so interesting and i was like oh with my high brain you know like like hits hits like no no no no no i was so like oh because i've always i consider myself such a renaissance you know she's a singer actor dancer a day you know dancer she does it all i write i want to do all this different stuff why would anybody know that i can do any of that because i've never done any of it professionally why would any like it is silly for me to be mad at the world for not like giving me an opportunity that it doesn't know that i want yeah and so it really shifted my that same

1:22:27 thing of i had a performance teacher at berkeley who is his name is livingston taylor he's james taylor's brother so he grew up wow in this you know community this little canyon sort of like experience he is adjacent to all of this and he has so much he's such a character he wears this cute bow tie like every day he's fabulous man and he teaches this performance class and there are several things that he taught in that class that i think are genuinely like some of the biggest notes i've ever gotten the first one he makes every single person stand up and say their name in front of the class and enunciate and so someone like my christian name is jessica knew him so berkeley i was like jessica know him and he was like what'd you say i was like jess and he was like if you're on stage and nobody can find you after because they he was like in between every song if you're in a crowd that nobody knows

1:23:13 you when i will be so ev every break i have i'm betty who yeah thank you guys so much for being here like i hope you're having a great time i'm betty hoo i say my name 75 times in the show yeah because it's like you're gonna oh i think i saw betty who i remember instead of this amazing band that you're like what were they called they were so great that's a great note and the other one was you know the feeling when you you're watching a show and someone walks on stage and they're nervous and you go oh i know that's contagious too i'm telling you that energy and you're like oh no and then they go to sing and they're kind of shaky and you're like oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god and then they start and then if they flub for a second everybody's like because when you are on the position of power on stage and you can control the room like that is your you are responsible for standing in that and

1:24:00 being comfortable in it and go hey like welcome to my show everyone's like oh it's gonna be a great this is gonna be a cool time and it's like that is energetic yeah that is all it is like that is a mastery that has taken me i'm trying to really like know what to use where and be really specific about it but before i forget my question that i had for you about the show yes yes yes about commitment uh-huh so i'm a huge i'm a big manifester yes so the thing i'm trying to manifest i think i dm do this actually i'm trying to manifest a performance on snl it's been my childhood dream you know you see it it's like in the montage of the thing you see this it's one of the things i see you there so it's a manifest for me it'll happen when it happens i'm i'm not stressed about it i know it will but the other thing i want to manifest now my big host energy is a host musician yes yes marriage and so

1:24:50 because i'm a manifesto i was like well i better watch every [ __ ] episode of snl so that i'm up on it so that i know i should be involved like i i'm trying to manifest this thing for myself i'm going to be a fan and watch religiously so i watch the show every single week i'm a regular on it and so i wonder as a performer and i don't know if this is like a touchy like there's probably a press-trained way to answer the question but like when people who are not comedians come to host you know you know oh yeah yeah what you're saying whether you're going to keep it like people coming in commitment is hard it's vul it's a really awkward thing and in that environment yeah oh my god and it's so high stakes and you're all perfect you do it every week so you know how it goes yeah when you come in as this like completely out fish out of water like you have to throw yourself in like there has to be some level where

1:25:37 you're like you either have to commit or it's just it's not gonna work or it's not gonna work like the only commitment any host has to do is just to be like i'm down for anything yeah all you have to do is open-mindedness but january sounds so vague and not that meaningful but like the the hosts who end up doing the best are the hosts who are like i'll do anything yeah not the hoster like i want to make sure i do like a singing thing i want to make sure i do something where i play a character or a game you know like yeah like who anyone who comes in with a checklist already not going to work i'm not going to work see this is great see give me no see me to manifest that's all you need really when that day comes that's all you need to do like like like the people the hosts who like weirdly not weirdly but like the people like internally responded to the most and i think that the audiences liked were like you're

1:26:21 carrie mulligans who like literally came in was like yeah whatever i'll do whatever but it wasn't like i got to do this this this yeah it must also be hard because i feel like especially if you're at a level where you're coming into host snl not only is it like such a huge honor and so you want to do it right so there's all the stakes sexiness about it but also like performers are all inherently [ __ ] selfish people sure and it's so hard to come in and humble yourself and be like i genuinely don't know yeah you tell me and i'll go with it instead instead of being like no i can do like there's it's this weird like having to kind of open yourself up to it's we in songwriting it's like you have to you know has to be bad for i can get good things yeah i feel like that's probably very similar in your experience as a performer all the time which is so sort of like yeah totally and like it's the people who come in who want to

1:27:08 yeah like like i said like um you have to surrender yourself to it and that and that's basically all it is you have to commit to um being a i am i wonder like how you must have experienced so i'm sure and you can't name names obviously so many hosts who have come in and you've been like [ __ ] this person yeah you have to do do the skits and pretend to have fun and do the thing and it's like okay and especially how you would hope yeah the ratio was was good right but i imagine that you're like it's a really difficult like when you're having fun everybody else is having fun like that's not always the case you can't like you can't tell he's hard sometimes people really get in your way and [ __ ] with you and yeah [ __ ] with that with your ability to have fun yeah but i mean i but see when you were describing like putting your inner ears in montana i've maybe this is answering math question from earlier like i am i am

1:28:12 able to walk into that space now and be like ah this is like this feels like home you know and like i never thought that that would happen yeah so which is so like [ __ ] cool yeah no and then yeah and then the second thought after that is wow i can't believe i get to work here you know that's crazy like i took a studio tour here when i was like 13 and now i'm like i work here like there are moments it's like so specific and random but that's the same [ __ ] that we were talking about that's the like your path has led you to be specifically perfect for this thing it's like sure lots of people have taken a studio tour of the snl studio when they were 13 years old and they didn't end up being a cost member but like you [ __ ] did yeah that's cool and it's like weird stuff like that that's why i'm such a manifestation [ __ ] queen is because like when i was watching this is such a dumb example

1:28:57 but when i was watching glee when i was a kid yeah so like first of all somebody loves you was on one of the later seasons of glee but it was still mated it made it in i know that which is pretty [ __ ] cool [ __ ] yeah yeah [ __ ] yes i will take it cause some of those glee versions go all the way off yes the amber riley i bust the windows at your car incredible also their rendition of keep holding on sorry ever levine it's better than that from the aragon sound yes from aragon um the uh like dancing queen like there don't stop believing i hate to say it somebody we know by keem yes sorry that is a song and a half but the believers mr chris talking about teenage dream in our last episode we talked about teenage stream like the blaine thing of teenage dream that like acropolis version i mean that was like that was like a moment for the show it was like christmas yeah but so so darren and chris colfer

1:29:45 sing somebody loves you on the show which is iconic but so when i was and that was a big manifestation thing but when i was a kid watching the show it's so dumb i'm not dumb because he's amazing i was like fixated with kevin mchale uh-huh i knew that he was an amazing dancer and he has like already has the moment where he gets out of it he has like a dream he does um safety dance and he gets to really go in and kevin was in a boy band called nlt yeah i think i remember this oh not like them i asked him the first time i met him i was like nlt and he was like oh my god please and i started singing like one of the his riffs and he was like i'm so embarrassed i don't want to do this with you but it's so funny like i'm when i first came to la i like played some random event that a bunch of people were at and two of the people who were there who were like the celebrities that were there which was exciting to me

1:30:27 as like a 20 year old gal of not knowing anything about anything was sophia bush who i had been obsessed with who i was obsessed with as a teenager and still i'm friends with and i'm completely in love with her like i i she is one of my favorite people on the planet soph in um john tucker must die was like a sexual awakening for me yeah i was like i'm sorry what'd you say maybe so like that was a moment and then i was obsessed with kevin and his dance moves in nlt and at this weird event that i played the first time i came to la soph and kevin were the two celebrities yeah and i was like i called you here i i cast a spell and brought you to me here because like how many celebrities are in this [ __ ] town yeah kevin is hot as hell too and glee glee had him in the chair and like with the glasses on and the sweaters and they're like so dirty like kevin kevin is hot yeah we have we have like that's one of

1:31:19 my favorite like a house party with kevin with kevin mchale like put that put the tunes on me and kev are like on the dance floor oh sign me up i want to watch this having a good time yeah i'll just stand and watch

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1:33:37 willing to step into the unknown and dr heather richardson the beverly hills breast cancer surgeon who tells a story full of tragedy and love i scream at her this is a bag of guns you need to call 9-1-1 everything spills out and i just scream run listen to the unimaginable on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast tragically we have to do i don't think so honey okay um but i'm prepared i was um anna told me about that oh my god please we are we are excited to hear your rendition of i don't think so honey which by the way for everyone at home who's living under our goddamn rock it's our one minute segment where we take something in pop culture and absolutely drag it through the damn mud so it's absolutely filthy wet and muddy and disgusting um and ashamed um so i do have i actually came up with one during the episode i have one that just came to me we had i said a couple

1:34:34 that i was like maybe i should pin that but i came in with no i don't know i literally have one okay great okay are you timing yeah all the time i'll go first then we'll be meaning that'll be better this is matt rodgers i don't think somebody and his time starts no i don't think so honey tick tock i don't know what the [ __ ] it is layout-wise i actually don't understand it oh and i actually don't need something else that i'm gonna die on every single day for hours and hours like my brain will turn to slush now i hear that it's a requirement for talented artists such as our guest to get a [ __ ] record deal if they go pop up on tic tac so what does that require like that they have some sort of like pithy little lyric in there that's like not even coming from the soul of the artist it just has to be in there to pop off on the 30 seconds i don't think so honey listen i'm on instagram and if that's my 31 gonna turn

1:35:16 32 in several weeks um deal that's fine i have my poison of choice yeah don't assign me culture i'm talking to you at large this new thing that's going to take seconds decrepitize my soul new word i created hey tick tock i understand like you do a cute little dance move but guess what [ __ ] some of you need to rehearse a little bit more and also these white girls stealing stuff from black artists on tick tock i don't think so honey you and that's one moment that's time that was great that was perfect my energy like just watching you get riled right now i am like i've been sitting on it since you said that that that they need you needed to make a toddler dance in order to get a record deal that's that is truly dark yeah like i was talking i was talking to someone outside off air but they were saying that their label was requiring them to start a tick-tock yeah yeah yeah or or they wouldn't like promote the

1:36:06 music they are holding people's like marketing budgets hostage until they start to activate their their tick tock engagement another thing about tick-tock too is just like i don't think i have the app space like this thing it's crazy how many times i'll be told by my phone my phone is like had enough with me so many times i'm like okay what do i delete and then like i figure out what i have to delete and it's like these apps are be taking up space i was trying to make uh like a sweetie like let's go i was trying to make one of those videos and the tick tock editing features are actually not up to par it is so like tic toc crashing in the middle of editing something and being like an inconvenient edit i'm like i'm too old i'm busy i'm too old for this i have a job that i have to do things for yeah this is going to take me six hours to make a [ __ ] video that nobody will watch and then i'll feel worse about

1:36:58 myself than before i did it and i'm like this is what my like team thinks i should be doing like it's just crazy that like i don't i don't know i always have considered myself like pretty good with well actually no i'm not good with tech you know i'm not good with tech but i i but you're on top of the the culture i'm on top of the culture and the basics of it all but like i can't figure out my switch oh i'll help you

1:37:30 what's your like go-to group party game we'll do the board sometimes we'll do the mini games yeah because the board is an hour commitment the board is like an amazing way to pass time i love the board but i don't love that you can't play with less than four players so that the computer so you're sitting there waiting for the computer to go and you're like get over it yeah yeah nintendo sure thing and there should be a thing where you don't have to watch their turn just like skipping just skips um okay so bonyang do you have it

1:38:09 are you ready i'm ready well then in that case this is bone yang's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey sugar fina what are you doing like doing peach bellini gummies [ __ ] champagne gummies don't put alcohol in candy champagne problems champagne problems but it's a real problem that's affecting the youth because any child can go up to the grove and buy sugar fina you know alcohol gummies and get wasted and then crash a car into a damn family walking down the street oh my god so fiscally and ate your whole what's getting behind the wheel yes well sugarfina's killing our children 30 seconds okay and me because all i want is just a simple sour patch sour patch kids adjacent candy and i'm not gonna be able to get that out of sugar feeding when they're trying to sell me on like fancy stuff that comes in a hard glass box no whatever it is i don't think so honey sugar fina why you gotta be at every

1:39:00 weird [ __ ] mall and across the country why can't you just have like a little vending machine situation going on at various buildings okay at jfk i don't know about alcohol themed can't flavored candy that's just like sugar feeding the kids to something they should they should wait like a vape adjacent it's very that and like i said it's um it's killing your it's killing your children and killing you because you're so obsessed clearly that was a little bit of that i don't think it's honey flavor where it's like i hate this because i love this i did because i was at the grove yesterday i did buy i knew it yeah i did buy the sugar peanut lips no alcohol in them delicious yeah say i knew it when they get it right they get it right sugar sugar fan is like the clear boxes the clear brownies yeah i guess that's like a gift basket go-to it's really great there's like when i play like a pride in the hotel the hotel leaves a

1:39:47 pride basket for me it's always a champagne flavored like [ __ ] sugar finna but then i eat the champagne candy and i go this feels wrong it's getting party favor yeah yeah not even that it's just like this this doesn't this is not like why didn't you just give me a bottle of champagne and some gummy bears i would have enjoyed either of those things exactly more than this combo that nobody wants that nobody wants yeah it's that thing of like i would never think to put champagne flavor with that gummy thing it's like but i guess whoever did it is a rich girl because here we are talking about and you know you that [ __ ] when you cause all this conversation as beyonce said and what would be what would beyonce do she would say that oh my god um listen it's actually that actually just sparked something in me and i'm gonna i'm gonna let that i'm gonna let the mood take me there oh my god okay so this is i can't

1:40:30 believe i'm saying this betty who's i don't think so honey and her time starts now i don't think so honey whoever has the audio of beyonce solange and jay-z in the elevator oh oh my god it has been years we deserve it we have a right to it and i am demanding it the people the people are ready i think it's been enough time yes jay-z and beyonce are doing fine yes they are doing fine she is looking more gorgeous and fabulous than ever what does it matter to her it matters 30 seconds it matters to us the people and i just think that it's honestly [ __ ] selfish and i'm going to write a letter about it i could if i if i shall if i if i'm feeling so uh actually jacked up enough to do it and i honestly think that's a i'm waiting i'm waiting for a note i like the fact that it was just like so it was a huge cultural moment and then everybody was like we love to forget full circle hollywood loves to

1:41:26 forget and i just do not believe that this is something we should stand for forgetting it's time reveal yourself and that's one minute oh my god because it's not enough to have the acknowledgement of some you what is it of course it goes down when there's a billion dollars on an elevator no we want to know what went down and specifics please specifics please i want the audio yeah do elevators do elevator videos have audio at the met they [ __ ] do yeah sure at the met they [ __ ] up at the moment you know what i mean you forget that was the mecca it was right it was it was the way [ __ ] pops off at the met ball like like the cardi and nikki fight that's [ __ ] crazy you just reminded me because ms yang turned herself out at the bed who you did i didn't go to the map what were you at that had this oh no that was emmys he almost he was invited i was invited but i did i couldn't go oh we were

1:42:15 shooting we're shooting the movie yeah i was invited but um i couldn't no that's nobody island this movie yeah oh my god i can't wait i think you're gonna like it i played one of the game shows in my life on fire island that is like there are no places that i'm actually famous except for like west hollywood chelsea and fire island i'm just going to literally throw this out i'm going to famously teach you what i'm throwing this out into the ether that you should do a song on the soundtrack but oh for fire island i should do the [ __ ] theme song i should write a song called fire island literally i will i will pay you personally i'm saying someone call me i will literally i will literally wondering if they can pay you what you deserve but like oh no absolutely not never that's writers don't get paid you know that writers don't get paid what they deserve that's hysterical i'm just saying like that that has an opportunity

1:42:55 to be an iconic soundtrack and i think you must be honest yeah absolutely right betty yeah i hate that it feels like we're wrapping up because i don't i hate we have other friends who aren't me i hate that i have to leave i hate that this is the first time where me are we gonna get dinner what's going on this is the this is the beginning and honestly like this is the suspicious first meeting the fact that you even like were down to come and do this hey um excuse me could you shut the [ __ ] up you are successful fabulous people who i should be so lucky to come spend time with it is my pleasure yeah but you are our fa you match the [ __ ] up you're right i'm just i'm being rude when i say you know what you know what i haven't said which i've been meaning to i keep being like i got it i've got to bring this up may i comment on the i know you're saying you're saying blue that your eyes are giving in the blue

1:43:42 shirt thank you so much you know i bought that with that intention no i do this us with beautiful blue eyes we make choices sometimes and with the right shade of the right cyan whatever we've got going on is cerulean perhaps yeah i think we're giving ceruleans it will just and you are just like i'm through these i i have to say it's like it's that thing of you know when you get your you have your color

1:44:13 you know when you find your color and then you're you're shopping as you're want to do maybe you're in the grove like bone yang yesterday and um you're sort of like you find an item and you realize i'm [ __ ] obsessed with this and i have to leave with it i can't leave without it but then you realize oh i have 900 of these in my closet like i have so many blue shirts i have so much like of that things in that family green is also like blue green like really that's just what mine's mine i don't know why the [ __ ] i said violet you keep going keep going i think it's because you just wanted to say the word i wanted it with it with a kind of gusty

1:44:57 woke up and chose violet as title eventually um but we i have to say we really chose violet with this episode we popped all the way off and chose violet um i'm not i'm i'm really i'm so happy to meet you and i'm like i know we when he said that you were gonna like time

1:45:24 i have a group chat with my best girlfriends called sissies and i texted hit sissies being like eyes i'm going to do less countries and they were like are they going to be there in person and i was like yes yeah i was like yeah and then i was like oh i might walk in and it's like a computer like it's like there on zoom and i'm going in to be alone in this room and i was really i was like genuinely i walked out being like hey babe it's going to be okay if they're not there don't be too disappointed it'll happen one day so this is january i was like i'm freaking jacked we wouldn't have had it any other way truly truly truly huge i mean this is i you are the best you are the one i'm so excited for like what's happening what's going on and it's just the beginning and you know we we do end every episode with a song somebody loves you okay

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What is discussed in ""Woke Up and Chose Violet" (w/ Betty Who)"?

In order: 0:00 Normani, Ad Council, Britney Spears, Connie Stephen; 10:00 Britney Spears, Doja Cat, Katy Perry, Leland; 20:00 Ad Council, Betty Who, James Brown; 30:00 Army Hammer, Puerto Rico; 40:00 Betty Who, Ad Council, James Brown; 50:00 Betty Who, Peter Thomas; 1:00:00 Betty Who; 1:10:00 Rupaul; 1:20:00 Betty Who, Livingston Taylor; 1:30:00 Ad Council, James Brown; 1:40:00 Betty Who, Connie Stephen, Fire Island, Judge Robert Adrian.

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