Episode 646: Ronald Gene Simmons Part II - To Kill A Bunch of Mockingbirds

What this episode is about

The discussion focuses on the chilling case of Ronald Gene Simmons, exploring themes of duality in his persona as both a loving family man and a calculated murderer, while delving into the unsettling motivations behind his violent actions. The conversation highlights societal perceptions of masculinity and the complexities of identity, juxtaposed with dark humor.

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• Pandemic of panties: Curiously candid podcast celebrates freedom—wear what you will, but perhaps rethink massacres.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Marcus Parks (Host) · 38 min speaking
• Henry Zebrowski (Host) · 25 min speaking
• Ed Larson (Host) · 17 min speaking
• Ryan Reynolds (Guest) · 2 min speaking
• Evette Gentile (Guest) · 1 min speaking
• Rasha Pecoraro (Guest) · 1 min speaking
• Scott Aukerman (Guest) · 1 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Amelia Simmons, Ronnie Jean, Ronald Jean Simmons, Christmas
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Amelia Simmons, Ronnie Jean, Sheila, Arkansas
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Ronnie Jean, Arkansas, Amelia Simmons, Sheila
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Ronnie Jean, Amelia Simmons, Sheila, Incest
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Ronnie Jean, Amelia Simmons, Factor, Factor
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Ronnie Jean, Christmas, Amelia Simmons, Jean Jr.
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Amelia Simmons, Ronnie Jean, Ronald Jean Simmons, Sheila
8. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Amelia Simmons, Ronnie Jean, Ronald Jean Simmons, Christmas
9. 1:20:00 – 1:24:40: Comedy Bang Bang, World War II, Comedy Bang Bang, Christmas

Notable quotes from "Episode 646: Ronald Gene Simmons Part II - To Kill A Bunch of Mockingbirds"

• Yeah. Yeah. These panties, they have a penis hole, SO MAKE SURE THOSE WELCOME TO LAST PODCAST on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Barks. I'm putting an end of…

  about Last Podcast on the Left · at 3:49

• That's good. It's good that you had that to hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.

  about Ronald Jean Simmons · at 5:18

• His self-worth and his manhood to the size of his family. In that same vein, Simmons had also attached his self-worth to how much control he could exert over his family, which…

  about Incest · at 6:52

• Controlled personal world in which his family were near slaves to his personal needs and desires. See, outside of a need for control, what defines Simmons more than anything is…

  about Entitlement · at 7:52

• Jean Jr. was outside the sphere of influence, Becky told him about the incest baby within a month. So, Jean Jr.

  about Jean Jr. · at 15:29

• Ozarks. But rather than being the place where Ronald Gene Simmons finally found contentment, Ward, Arkansas would instead be the site of both Ronnie Jean's Christmas time…

  about Arkansas · at 23:59

• Of his own reality, or at least the indignities he perceived, kept hitting him square in the face. Sheila began dating her friend Dennis McNelte. And despite Ronnie Jean's best…

  about Sheila · at 29:22

• Hours after Ronnie Jean killed Billy and his family, Sheila arrived with Dennis and their two children. Sheila entered the house first where Ronnie Jean shot her as soon as she…

  about Sheila Simmons · at 1:01:17

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Ronald Jean Simmons — Person · Primary subject (perpetrator) in true-crime narrative · 14 mentions · first at 5:20
  Central figure of the episode’s concluding segment, describing his coercive control, incest, and the 1987 Christmas family annihilation and subsequent workplace shootings in Arkansas.
• Ronald Gene Simmons — Person · Main subject · 5 mentions · first at 16:35
  Primary subject of the podcast, discussed as the most prolific family annihilator in American history.
  That's good. It's good that you had that to hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.
• Sheila — Person · Victim; daughter of primary subject · 22 mentions · first at 12:55
  Depicted as Simmons’ eldest daughter and long-term incest/abuse victim; later marries Dennis McNelte and is murdered during the 1987 massacre.
• Sheila Simmons — Person · Victim · 13 mentions
  Daughter of Ronald Gene Simmons, victim of his incestuous relationship and subsequent murder.
• Jean Jr. — Person · Victim · 9 mentions · first at 15:22
  Son of Ronald Gene Simmons, victim of his crimes.
• Becky Simmons — Person · Victim · 1 mention · first at 7:11
  Wife of Ronald Gene Simmons, mother of his children, and victim of his murder spree.
  NOW, Becky was, of course, stunned at the news that her husband had impregnated her daughter. But Simmons had such control over his family at this point in time, that all he had to do to.
• Jean Jr. Simmons — Person · Victim · 4 mentions
  Eldest son of Ronald Gene Simmons, who stood up to his father and was subsequently murdered.
  As I said earlier, Ronnie Jean's eldest child, Jean Jr., had already left home and broken free from his father's grasp by the time all this happened. And since Jean Jr. was outside the sphere of influence, Becky told him about the.
• Loretta Simmons — Person · Victim · 1 mention · first at 1:00:09
  Daughter of Ronald Gene Simmons, victim of his murder spree.
  Were to wait in the Buick while the others went inside one by one. The first to die was Loretta, the 17-year-old, who was taken inside and quickly gared again with nylon…
• Bill Simmons — Person · Victim · 1 mention · first at 57:19
  Son of Ronald Gene Simmons, victim of his murder spree.
  Well, as it went, Ronald Jean Simmons killed his son Billy with his revolver as soon as Billy walked in the door.
• J. Daffen — Person · Bystander/victim at Taylor Oil Company · 1 mention · first at 1:08:29
  Part-time employee who confronted Simmons as he left Taylor Oil Company; shot fatally.
  Chest, then turned and walked to the back room. Joyce Buts, by the way, also survived. He was met in that back room by another woman that had worked with him at the freight…
• Tony Carter — Person · Hero · 1 mention · first at 1:10:51
  Customer at the Mini Mart who confronted Ronald Gene Simmons during his spree shooting.
  The sixer missed. So Tony kept grabbing individual cans of soda to throw them at Simmons WHILE SHOUTING, YOU SON OF A BITCH. OVER AND OVER. is like Simmons was a wild animal that Tony was trying.
• Dennis McNelte — Person · Victim · 4 mentions · first at 26:58
  Husband of Sheila Simmons, victim of Ronald Gene Simmons' murder spree.
  Her as soon as she walked inside six times in the head. Now, to hear in the gunshots, Dennis ran inside as well and was killed by a single head shot. And this is also like an…
• Rusty Taylor — Person · Victim · 3 mentions · first at 1:04:42
  Owner of the Mini Mart, victim of Ronald Gene Simmons' spree shooting.
  The owner of the Mini Mart, Rusty Taylor, had his headquarters. tellingly, Ronnie Jean did not walk inside when faced with a male target and instead shot Rusty Taylor through a window.
• Joyce Butts — Person · Victim · 2 mentions · first at 36:52
  Boss of Ronald Gene Simmons, victim of his spree shooting.
  I kind of clever [ __ ] comeback. YOU [ __ ] [ __ ] IN JULY OF 1986, Joyce reprimanded Ronnie for failing to properly sort and code company bills according to company policy. Cuz Simmons pushed back by repeatedly insisting that his way was.
• Kathy Kendricks — Person · Victim · 2 mentions · first at 43:35
  Co-worker at the freight company, victim of Ronald Gene Simmons' murder spree.
  BUT Kathy had since gotten a new job as a receptionist at a law firm. So at 10:15 a.m., Ronald Jean Simmons walked into the firm's offices with his revolver. Without saying a…
• David Sier — Person · Victim · 2 mentions · first at 1:04:34
  Boss of Ronald Gene Simmons at the Mini Mart, victim of his spree shooting.
  Tony. Again, Ronnie Gene decided to shoot his male target through the window. But David saw Ronnie Jean raise his pistol. And David had enough presence of mind to duck before…
• Andrea Yates — Person · Referenced comparison case (family annihilation) · 1 mention · first at 9:19
  Cited as an example of a parent who killed children in a different psychological context, used to compare motives and patterns with Simmons.
  Then we have like the ladies that murder their children. We got the two I believe Andrea Yates she was more of a religious fanatic right that was like mentally ill that was like a breakdown but a lot of fanatics and Chris what's his name?
• Chris Watts — Person · Referenced comparison case (family annihilation) · 1 mention · first at 9:28
  Mentioned as another well-known family annihilator to contrast motive (escaping family obligations) with Simmons’ entitlement/control framing.
  Fanatics and Chris what's his name? Chris Watts killed his family so he didn't have to deal with them anymore.
• Kathy Kendrick — Person · Victim · 1 mention · first at 1:07:32
  Co-worker of Ronald Gene Simmons, victim of his spree shooting.
  BUT Kathy had since gotten a new job as a receptionist at a law firm. So at 10:15 a.m., Ronald Jean Simmons walked into the firm's offices with his revolver. Without saying a…
• Bill and Hillary Clinton — Person · Referenced individual · 2 mentions · first at 1:17:43
  Mentioned in passing as the governor who signed Ronald Gene Simmons' execution warrant.
  Mhm. Well, instead, he had the state do it for him. Bill Clinton himself acting as governor of Arkansas signed the execution warrant. And I, it's I don't know why I find executions signed by, future presidents.
• Gary Gilmore — Person · Referenced individual · 1 mention · first at 1:19:21
  Mentioned in passing as a comparison to Ronald Gene Simmons' execution speed.
  Mhm. He was killed just 1 year and 4 months after his conviction, making his death by lethal injection the second fastest in modern history at the time.
• Amelia Simmons — Person · 58 mentions · first at 5:23
  That's good. It's good that you had that to hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.
• Ronnie Jean — Person · 55 mentions · first at 5:27
  To hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.
• Loretta — Person · 6 mentions · first at 40:11
  Openly telling people about it. And additionally, Jean's attempts at molesting his other daughter, Loretta, had been thwarted. See, Becky didn't want what had happened to…
• Jean Junior's wife — Person · 4 mentions
• Colonel Russell Williams — Person · 2 mentions · first at 4:48
  I was getting to the Colonel Russell Williams. I was watching his interrogation. That's why I was asking Marcus about his father wearing panties.
• Ed Larson — Person · 2 mentions · first at 4:58
  And we have the man with all the questions and all the answers. It's Ed Larson.
• Marcus Barks — Person · 1 mention · first at 3:55
  Penis hole, SO MAKE SURE THOSE WELCOME TO LAST PODCAST on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Barks. I'm putting an end of the Sherrod right now. With me, the guy who works at the he's working.
• Henry Zabrowski — Person · 1 mention · first at 4:08
  With me is the panty curious Henry Zabrowski.
• John List — Person · 1 mention · first at 9:06
  Annihilators that we've covered and just a lot of the most famous family annihilators like you know John List for example killed his entire family because he was about to lose…
• Jesse Ventura — Person · 1 mention · first at 11:39
  SO, he's officially become Jesse Ventura huh?
• Evette Gentile — Person · 1 mention · first at 18:40
  Chilling legend has endless possibilities hiding in the shadows. I'm Evette Gentile. And I'm her sister, Rasha Pecarero. Every Friday on our podcast, So Supernatural, we dive…
• Rasha Pecarero — Person · 1 mention · first at 18:42
  Possibilities hiding in the shadows. I'm Evette Gentile. And I'm her sister, Rasha Pecarero. Every Friday on our podcast, So Supernatural, we dive deeper into the mysteries…
• Rodney Dangerfield — Person · 1 mention · first at 26:37
  Ladybug was a great idea and Rodney Dangerfield.
• Kathy Lee — Person · 1 mention · first at 43:22
  I just can't believe I couldn't get it up to Kathy Lee this morning.
• Billy's wife — Person · 1 mention · first at 58:50
  Killed him with two shots to the head, while Billy's wife was killed just after with seven shots to the head and neck.
• Kathy Kendrick(s) — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:07:32
  To his nieces and one to his mother-in-law, Ronnie Jean drove to Kathy Kendrick's new place of work.
• Jeb Bush — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:18:16
  The I even like it when like the failed guy like when like Jeb Bush that's Eileen Wos you know Oh wow interesting you know Clinton though he not only signed it he also played taps on a saxophone.
• Gary Gilmore — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:19:21
  Right behind double murderer Gary Gilmore. Merry Christmas one and all.
• Ryan Marchetti — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:21:04
  6:00 p.m. every single Tuesday, 6 p.m. PST. And I want to thank a listener named Ryan Marchetti who sent me some of the like possibly one of the coolest things I've ever…

Books & papers

• A Court of Thorns and Roses — Book · 1 mention · first at 40:38
  I'm sick of reading your erotica. All right. I'm sick of this. What is a court of thorns and roses?
• Santa's Sleigh — Book · 1 mention · first at 1:20:07
  Yeah, it's extraordinarily [ __ ] Santa's sleigh. S L A Y which was a fun movie with starring Goldberg. We watched it together.
• Carry On — Book · 1 mention · first at 1:21:22
  Like listen to this. It's called Carry On. It's all over in Holland, Denmark, and Northwest Germany. The second great unconditional surrender in the last 5 days was time to take effect an hour.

Companies & orgs

• Birch Lane — Company · 3 mentions · first at 0:00
  Hey neighbor. This holiday season, Birch Lane is here to help you celebrate with friends and family. From guest ready dining tables to cozy sofas that fit the whole crew. Our classic furniture and.
• Wayfair — Company · Owner attribution for Birch Lane · 2 mentions · first at 0:21
  Referenced because Birch Lane is introduced as a Wayfair specialty brand in the Birch Lane sponsor read.
  So you can spend time on what matters most. It's classic style for joyful living. Shop Birch Lane, a Wayfair specialty brand at birchlane.com.
• Delmonte — Company · Employer · 2 mentions · first at 31:05
  Company where Ronald Gene Simmons worked before committing the murders.
  Well, Ronnie paired that job with a night shift at a Delmonte frozen food plant. Neither of which were jobs befitting an Air Force man of Ronnie Jean's self-styled STATURE.
• Taylor Oil Company — Company · Employer · 1 mention · first at 1:08:10
  Company where Rusty Taylor worked, targeted by Ronald Gene Simmons.
  But Simmons also planned to kill David Sier, his old boss at the Mini Mart. His last target was the owner of the Mini Mart, Rusty Taylor.
• Woodline Motor Freight — Company · Employer · 1 mention · first at 1:12:27
  Company where Ronald Gene Simmons worked before committing the murders.
  Chest, then turned and walked to the back room. Joyce Buts, by the way, also survived. He was met in that back room by another woman that had worked with him at the freight…
• Sears — Company · Incidental mention · 3 mentions
  Mentioned in passing as the store where Ronald Gene Simmons picked up a stereo system.
  But on the 23rd, he drove to a nearby Sears and picked up a stereo system he'd ordered for his wife. He then returned home and set fire to the corpses. Then spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
• Mini Mart — Company · 7 mentions · first at 32:46
  Well, before long, Ronnie Jean quit his job at Delmonte and got a part-time job as a cashier at a local Mini Mart, where he played the part of the local pain in the ass right up until his eventual murder spree a few years later.
• freight company — Company · 7 mentions · first at 35:42
  And things got even more unbearable for Ronnie Gene when he took a job at a local freight company as a clerk. He was a man in an office of women, and taking orders from women…
• Polaroid — Company · 3 mentions · first at 13:19
  Ain't coming. Simmons also began following Sheila everywhere with a Polaroid so he could take as many sexually suggestive pictures as he wanted.
• birchlane.com — Company · 2 mentions · first at 0:23
  Most. It's classic style for joyful living. Shop Birch Lane, a Wayfair specialty brand at birchlane.com.
• Comedy Bang Bang — Company · 2 mentions · first at 1:23:46
  This is Comedy Bang, the podcast, the promo.
• Del Monte — Company · 2 mentions
• United States Air Force — Company · 2 mentions
• mintmobile.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 0:44
• Victoria's Secret — Company · 1 mention · first at 3:38
  It's different than Victoria's Secret because Victoria keeps it quiet where Yeah. Rodney though out and loud.
• Last Podcast on the Left — Company · 1 mention · first at 3:53
  Yeah. Yeah. These panties, they have a penis hole, SO MAKE SURE THOSE WELCOME TO LAST PODCAST on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Barks. I'm putting an end of…
• So Supernatural — Company · 1 mention · first at 18:45
  Evette Gentile. And I'm her sister, Rasha Pecarero. Every Friday on our podcast, So Supernatural, we dive deeper into the mysteries that defy logic. From haunted spaces to…
• animalsregister.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 19:30
  Which is why I have finally solidified the borders of my own animalsregister.com.
• buffaloos sauce.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 19:51
  URL that is around, and I'm coining them for myself. Wonderful things such as buffaloos sauce.com, such as kangaroo hats.com, such as many different chickens.com.
• kangaroo hats.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 19:55
  For myself. Wonderful things such as buffaloos sauce.com, such as kangaroo hats.com, such as many different chickens.com.
• chickens.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 19:59
  Buffaloos sauce.com, such as kangaroo hats.com, such as many different chickens.com.
• squarespace.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 21:00
• LPN Studios — Company · 1 mention · first at 22:13
  Of your home and slap your piney till it's red. We absolutely love Simply Safe over at the LPN studios. They watch guard and make sure nobody enters into our studio trying to…
• simplysafe.com — Company · 1 mention · first at 22:37
• U-Haul — Company · 1 mention · first at 23:30
  Yeah, very possible. But after getting alone, Riny Gene packed up his entire family into a U-Haul and escaped New Mexico just before the sheriff arrived at his property with a…
• Chuck E. Cheese — Company · 1 mention · first at 34:24
  GOOD. Her 11th birthday. I'll always REMEMBER WE WENT TO CHUCK-E-CHEESE.
• Wire Cutter — Company · 1 mention · first at 46:04
  Aura frames.com to get $35 off Aura's best-selling carvermat frames, named number one by Wire Cutter by using the promo left at checkout. That's a rare frames.com.
• Your Pretty Face Is Going to Hell — Company · 1 mention · first at 46:56
  Therefore, it has become my favorite app. So you go to wherever the Sling is, find Sling, and you can go to see your pretty face is going to hell on it. And that's all that…
• Wheel of Fortune — Company · 1 mention · first at 53:53
  After that impotent task was done, Ronnie Jean sat back down in front of the TV with a beer and watched Wheel of Fortune to contemplate the murder of half his family.
• Taylor Oil Company — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:08:10
  Her four times in the head. Sticking to his plan, Ronnie Jean left immediately and drove to Taylor Oil Company, where the owner of the Mini Mart, Rusty Taylor, had his…
• Woodline Motor Freight — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:12:27
  Ronnie Gene, however, still had one more score to settle. At long last, he drove to Woodline Motor Freight to murder his old boss, Joyce Butts. After walking to her desk, he…
• Wendy's — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:18:08
  It's like finding out like you went to Wendy's and like the guy like Thomas made the burger.
• Christian organization — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:18:39
  Well after Ronald Jean Simmons had a public battle in the newspapers with a Christian organization that tried to save his life he had to write letters the newspaper saying Tell these people to stop filing appeals for me. I said No.
• Last Stream on the Left — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:20:55
  Last stream on the left. that is at 6:00 p.m. every single Tuesday, 6 p.m. PST. And I want to thank a listener named Ryan Marchetti who sent me some of the like possibly one of the.
• Last Podcast Network — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:22:54
  Some standup shows coming up. I'm going to be in Oxnard on January 4th with a whole bunch of people from the Last Podcast Network and I'm going to be in San Francisco on February 18th. Come and see those shows, please.
• Blues Brothers band — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:23:35
  He passed away today. I love Steve Cropper. Blues Brothers band will never be the same.
• CPS (Child Protective Services) — Company · 1 mention
• Hinge — Company · 1 mention
• Oscar Mayer — Company · 1 mention
• patreon.com/lastpodcastontheleft — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

• Polaroid — Product · Incidental mention · 3 mentions · first at 13:19
  Mentioned in passing as a tool used by Ronald Gene Simmons to take suggestive pictures of his daughter.
  The children were left to wait for the bus. Plenty of room in the car, but they ain't coming. Simmons also began following Sheila everywhere with a Polaroid so he could take as many sexually suggestive pictures as he wanted.
• U-Haul — Product · Incidental mention · 1 mention · first at 23:30
  Mentioned in passing as the vehicle used by Ronald Gene Simmons to move his family to Arkansas.
  Yeah, very possible. But after getting alone, Riny Gene packed up his entire family into a U-Haul and escaped New Mexico just before the sheriff arrived at his property with a…
• furniture — Product · 2 mentions · first at 0:08
  Friends and family. From guest ready dining tables to cozy sofas that fit the whole crew. Our classic furniture and decor are crafted to last. And with fast, free delivery, you…
• shrimp — Product · 2 mentions · first at 47:49
  Wider selection of weekly meal options, including premium seafood choices like salmon and shrimp at no extra cost.
• Polaroid camera — Product · 2 mentions
• Weenie whistle — Product · 1 mention · first at 10:21
  A white man in America. And cuz last year nobody gave me what I asked for, which was an Oscar Meyer weenie whistle.
• Fidget slap bracelets — Product · 1 mention · first at 10:25
  I ASKED FOR FIDGET SLAP BRACELETS. AND NONE OF YOU WILL HEAR ME OR SEE ME. I WANTED TO RIDE the Weenie mobile like it was an a bomb.
• Weenie Mobile — Product · 1 mention · first at 10:32
  I ASKED FOR FIDGET SLAP BRACELETS. AND NONE OF YOU WILL HEAR ME OR SEE ME. I WANTED TO RIDE the Weenie mobile like it was an a bomb.
• Factor meals — Product · 1 mention · first at 48:10
  Weren't doing it right. Their lives are a mess. They have no discipline. Okay, but we love factor meals here. I love salmon. I love shrimp. I love salmon and shrimp together. I…
• CarverMat frame — Product · 1 mention
• decor — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

• Family Annihilation — Concept · Core topic · 3 mentions · first at 5:23
  Central theme of the episode, discussing the phenomenon of family annihilation and its psychological underpinnings.
  That's good. It's good that you had that to hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.
• Incest — Concept · Key argument · 11 mentions · first at 15:03
  Discussed as a central element of Ronald Gene Simmons' control over his family and his subsequent crimes.
• Entitlement — Concept · Key argument · 5 mentions · first at 8:04
  Discussed as a central psychological trait of Ronald Gene Simmons that led to his crimes.
• Sociopath — Concept · Key argument · 1 mention · first at 35:20
  Discussed as a possible psychological diagnosis for Ronald Gene Simmons.
  Ronnie Jean's wife, Becky, was also asserting her own independence. After years of isolation, Becky reconnected with her sister and told her everything about the decades of trauma with her husband, from the abuse to the incest.
• entitlement — Concept · 5 mentions · first at 8:04
  Need for control, what defines Simmons more than anything is a sense of entitlement. Ronnie felt entitled to everything that America had to offer a white man in 1987. He wanted…
• family annihilator — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 5:34
  SO, when we last left, Ronald Jean Simmons, the most prolific family annihilator in American history. His wife Becky had just given birth to their seventh child. Because if there's one requirement for being the number one.
• abusive relationship — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 42:38
  Well, we know that is the most dangerous point in an abusive relationship is trying to leave.
• mitigation neutralizing maneuver — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 1:16:27
  Attorneys to watch out cuz he was about to demonstrate what he called his mitigation neutralizing maneuver. That maneuver simply amounted to Ronnie Jean punching the trials prosecutor in the jaw.
• gay agenda — Concept · 1 mention · first at 2:25
  About Do you think gay people have an Do you believe in the gay agenda?
• antiquing — Concept · 1 mention · first at 2:27
  I mean yeah I believe in the idea of antiquing. They have an agenda quite often for seeking you know classic fashion combinations.
• hospice — Concept · 1 mention · first at 2:43
  Well just the idea of like you know like now that he's in the hospice bed and we're all banning him back and forth about whether or not he's gay or not. I don't think it matters. But it's like if you found your hard work,.
• Christmas massacre — Concept · 1 mention · first at 5:27
  To hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.
• Hatfields — Concept · 1 mention · first at 6:37
  We cover when we did the Hatfields and the McCoys. You're like that's exactly what happened.
• McCoys — Concept · 1 mention · first at 6:39
  We cover when we did the Hatfields and the McCoys. You're like that's exactly what happened.
• Hanukkah — Concept · 1 mention · first at 18:12
  Oh, yeah. No, that's a that's a Hanukkah story.
• Take This Job and Shove It — Concept · 1 mention · first at 37:55
  A few months later, Ronnie walked into Joyce's office and literally told her to take this job and shove it like the song.
• kill list — Concept · 1 mention · first at 50:15
  The day that Gan Jr. came to visit. Now, I feel like a lot of people, not that everyone has a kill list, but I almost feel like there is a therapeutic way for you to make the list and then burn it.
• Falling Down — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:06:30
  Wouldn't have minded being murdered by the public. cuz this is now he's in falling down type world. Like now we're burning it all to the [ __ ] ground.
• suicide by cop — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:06:56
  List, that's how he wins. He's not trying to get killed. He's not trying to do suicide by cop. He's trying to kill.
• British double summertime — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:21:32
  Unconditional surrender in the last 5 days was time to take effect an hour ago. 0800 British double summertime.
• Reich Gold — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:21:41
  That's 90th. 90th finds Reich Gold. ALL THE GOLDEN GERMANY says Reich official.
• The Dirty Dozen — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:21:49
  That's a dirty His grandfather's part OF THE DIRTY DOZEN.
• 359th Division — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:22:06
  90th Infantry, 359th Division, World War II, the tough ombres out of Texas and Oklahoma.
• 90th Infantry — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:22:06
  90th Infantry, 359th Division, World War II, the tough ombres out of Texas and Oklahoma.
• Hail Satan — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:23:02
  Yes. I love it. Thank you, Hail Satan.
• Nazis — Concept · 1 mention
• Tet Offensive — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

• Christmas Massacre — Event · Core topic · 1 mention · first at 5:27
  Central event discussed in the podcast, involving the murder of Simmons' family.
  That's good. It's good that you had that to hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.
• Christmas — Event · Core topic · 17 mentions · first at 5:27
  Central theme of the episode, discussing the Christmas massacre committed by Ronald Jean Simmons.
  That's good. It's good that you had that to hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.
• Arkansas — Place · Setting · 12 mentions · first at 12:06
  Location where Ronald Jean Simmons moved his family and committed the Christmas massacre.
• New Mexico — Place · Setting · 5 mentions · first at 10:52
  Previous location where Ronald Jean Simmons lived with his family before moving to Arkansas.
  Man, he'd basically been shoved into a nearly shuttered Air Force base outside Alamagordo, New Mexico, so he could serve out his last years without bothering too many people.…
• Ward, Arkansas — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at 23:52
  Location where Ronald Gene Simmons committed his family annihilation and subsequent spree shooting.
  Ozarks. But rather than being the place where Ronald Gene Simmons finally found contentment, Ward, Arkansas would instead be the site of both Ronnie Jean's Christmas time…
• Ward — Place · 1 mention · first at 23:52
  Ozarks. But rather than being the place where Ronald Gene Simmons finally found contentment, Ward, Arkansas would instead be the site of both Ronnie Jean's Christmas time…
• Mockingbird Hill — Place · Setting · 6 mentions · first at 28:11
  The property owned by Ronald Gene Simmons where he committed the murders of his family.
  A That's so nice, isn't it? After purchasing the land, Simmons crammed his wife and five remaining kids into the double wide mobile home that had already been pllopped down on the property. Now,.
• Alamagordo — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at 10:52
  Town in New Mexico where Ronald Jean Simmons was stationed and later fled from.
  Nearing the end of his career in the Air Force. Since he was such a difficult man, he'd basically been shoved into a nearly shuttered Air Force base outside Alamagordo, New…
• Alamagordo, New Mexico — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 10:52
  Previous location where Ronald Gene Simmons lived before moving to Arkansas.
  And the warrant wasn't filed with the FBI. States didn't share information back then. So, as long as he stayed out of New Mexico, basically in the clear.
• COVID-19 pandemic — Event · 1 mention
• Hector, Arkansas — Place · Setting · 10 mentions
  Dream town of Ronald Gene Simmons in the Ozarks.
  But in the midst of the escape, Ronnie Jean had finally decided to take his first shot at his dream. Their ultimate destination was the small town of Ward, Arkansas, which was…
• World War II — Event · Historical context · 2 mentions · first at 1:21:14
  Mentioned in passing in the context of historical events.
  Last stream on the left. that is at 6:00 p.m. every single Tuesday, 6 p.m. PST. And I want to thank a listener named Ryan Marchetti who sent me some of the like possibly one of…
• Little Rock, Arkansas — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 1:01:20
  Location where Sheila Simmons attended business school.
  The last of his family. Now, just a few hours after Ronnie Jean killed Billy and his family, Sheila arrived with Dennis and their two children. Sheila entered the house first…
• Ozarks — Place · 2 mentions · first at 12:13
  You'll remember, Simmons had idealized a chunk of his childhood that had been spent in the Ozarks. And he believed that he could only achieve true happiness by returning to…
• Hector — Place · 1 mention · first at 23:57
  Destination was the small town of Ward, Arkansas, which was just 80 miles from Marne Jean's dream town of Hector in the Ozarks. But rather than being the place where Ronald…
• Little Rock — Place · 1 mention · first at 25:37
  From her father's control after they established themselves in the South. She attended a business school in Little Rock. And when she finally started making friends, she began…
• Saigon — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:12:07
  If I would have been at the Ted offensive, those Vietkong wouldn't have taken Saigon.
• Holland — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:21:24
  Like listen to this. It's called Carry On. It's all over in Holland, Denmark, and Northwest Germany. The second great unconditional surrender in the last 5 days was time to take effect an hour ago. 0800 British double summertime.
• Northwest Germany — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:21:27
  Like listen to this. It's called Carry On. It's all over in Holland, Denmark, and Northwest Germany. The second great unconditional surrender in the last 5 days was time to take effect an hour ago. 0800 British double summertime.
• Indianapolis, Indiana — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:22:23
  Indianapolis, Indiana, March 13th.
• Cincinnati, Ohio — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:22:25
• Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:22:27
  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, May 29th.
• Grand Rapids, Michigan — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:22:30
  Grand Rapids, Michigan, June 27th.
• Oklahoma City — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:22:32
  Tulsa, Oklahoma, July 17th. Oklahoma City, July 18th. These shows are so much fun. We're [ __ ] having a great time.
• Tulsa, Oklahoma — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:22:32
  Tulsa, Oklahoma, July 17th. Oklahoma City, July 18th. These shows are so much fun. We're [ __ ] having a great time.
• Oxnard — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:22:50
  You want to come out. also I got some standup shows coming up. I'm going to be in Oxnard on January 4th with a whole bunch of people from the Last Podcast Network and I'm going…

Media & podcasts

• Last Podcast on the Left — Media · Show / Publisher · 1 mention · first at 3:53
  The podcast producing the episode; sponsors and Patreon mentions are tied to this show.
• Comedy Bang Bang — Media · Promotion · 2 mentions · first at 1:23:46
  Mentioned in passing as another podcast.
  Comedy Bang the podcast. Listen every Monday wherever you get your podcasts.
• Cinemas/Media references — Media · Incidental reference · 1 mention · first at 13:43
  Generic media/cinema references appear in conversation and comedic asides in the episode but are not central to the episode's narrative.
  And his guts coming out. Or you see a picture of me all dressed up with blood all over me. There's lots of pictures on my Aura frame that could get me arrested, but it's my…
• Wheel of Fortune — Media · Incidental mention · 1 mention · first at 53:41
  Mentioned in passing as the TV show watched by Ronald Gene Simmons after committing the murders.
  Place and killed everyone but him. And after that impotent task was done, Ronnie Jean sat back down in front of the TV with a beer and watched Wheel of Fortune to contemplate the murder of half his family.
• Barbara Streisand's Christmas Album — Media · Incidental mention · 1 mention · first at 56:34
  Mentioned in passing as the album possibly listened to by Ronald Gene Simmons.
  And what was he listening to on his new stereo system?

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  Opened/closed episode with a sponsor message promoting Birch Lane furniture and holiday shopping, explicitly identified as a Wayfair specialty brand.
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• Mint Mobile — Product · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 0:25
  Promoted during the podcast as a wireless service offering unlimited wireless for $15 a month.
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• Squarespace — Product · Sponsor · 4 mentions · first at 19:13
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• Factor — Company · Sponsor · 4 mentions · first at 47:32
  Sponsor product mentioned in the podcast.
  Box plus free breakfast for 1 year. Get delicious ready to eat meals delivered with factor. Offer only valid for new factor customers with code and qualifying autorenewing subscription purchase.
• Simply Safe — Product · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 21:28
  Sponsor product mentioned in the podcast.
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• Simply Safe — Sponsor · Sponsor / Ad read brand · 3 mentions · first at 21:28
  Sponsor read describing Simply Safe home security benefits and offering a limited-time 50% off deal with a promo URL targeted to listeners.
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• Aura Frames — Sponsor · Sponsor (brand behind the product ad) · 3 mentions · first at 44:50
  Sponsor brand named during the ad read; product-specific calls to action and discount code were provided.
  To them and then their family has to look at it. It's actually a really fun thing to do. So this Christmas, get an aura frame for the person you love.
• Aura Frames — Product · Sponsor (brand behind the product ad) · 3 mentions · first at 44:50
  Sponsor brand named during the ad read; product-specific calls to action and discount code were provided.
  To them and then their family has to look at it. It's actually a really fun thing to do. So this Christmas, get an aura frame for the person you love.
• Aura Frames (company) — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 44:50
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• Sling — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 46:25
  Sponsor product mentioned in the podcast.
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• Mint Mobile — Product · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 0:25
  Promoted product during the podcast, offering wireless services.
  Actually getting a direct line to the big man up north. And this year, he wants you to know the best gift that you can give someone is the gift of Mint Mobile's unlimited…
• Mint Mobile — Sponsor · Sponsor / Ad read brand · 1 mention · first at 0:25
  Short sponsor spot voiced by Ryan Reynolds promoting Mint Mobile's unlimited wireless gift for $15/month and providing a URL.
  Big man up north. And this year, he wants you to know the best gift that you can give someone is the gift of Mint Mobile's unlimited wireless for $15 a month. Now, you don't even need to wrap it. Give it a try at mintmobile.com/switch.
• MintMobile — Product · Sponsor product (service plan) · 1 mention · first at 0:25
  The sponsor ad specifically promoted Mint Mobile's unlimited wireless plan (three-month new customer offer at $15/mo).
  Big man up north. And this year, he wants you to know the best gift that you can give someone is the gift of Mint Mobile's unlimited wireless for $15 a month. Now, you don't even need to wrap it. Give it a try at mintmobile.com/switch.
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  Box plus free breakfast for 1 year. Get delicious ready to eat meals delivered with factor. Offer only valid for new factor customers with code and qualifying autorenewing subscription purchase.
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0:58 This is the last time on the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that?

1:16 It's exactly what you'd think it would be. Yeah. Super macho guy. Lovey lovey lovey love. He's wearing some panties. Really loves it. They really love it.

1:26 Love it to the point where you'll kill the cover. It's about the panties. Mhm. It's about feeling like a pretty lady.

1:34 Yeah. Feeling sexy. And you don't understand. Like, dude, you could [ __ ] just just pop on some panties. You don't kill anybody, man.

1:39 Yeah. I know. He's military man. Ask your father. You know what I mean? What he How'd he feel?

1:47 Father's not a military man. Your father kind of acts like one. If your father found out, like if you found out your dad wore panty, like hardcore panties and stuff like that, like be happy for him.

2:01 Yeah, why not? Well, you'd be fine with it, right? Of course. I would be fine with Yeah. anything as long as it was consenting and legal.

2:07 That's the kind of stuff my mom used hit me with towards the end where she was like, "Sometimes I'll wonder if your father was gay."

2:14 But then my question is to what end? Yeah. Uhhuh. For what? What do you mean for? Well, being gay isn't for anything. But I'm just saying then like but now we're just talking about

2:23 Do you think gay people have an Do you believe in the gay agenda? I mean yeah I believe in the idea of antiquing. They have an agenda quite often for seeking you know classic uh fashion combinations.

2:33 I personally love the gay agenda. It's great. I serve the gay agenda. Yeah. No. We're theater kids.

2:38 Oh very deep. Yeah. We're in entertainment. Of course we serve the gay agenda. Well just the idea of like you know like now that he's in the hospice bed and we're all banning him back and forth about whether or not he's gay or not. I don't think it matters. But it's like if you found your hard work,

2:50 you think he heard you? I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe another. Now, do you think that you're dead though? But if he was all like, because he's a big strong man, would you just let him go?

3:02 Of course. Yeah. I'd let anybody know that I love go if they wanted to fly. Yeah. Fly, brother.

3:08 Would you buy him underwear? Yes. Wow. If he want if he asked me to. If he was embarrassed.

3:13 He never would. No, he never would. But if he asked me to, I would. Yeah. Would you? for your father?

3:20 No, I know you would for my father. See, what would end up happening is if I was buying it for my dad, I would just be like, "Okay, I gotta try it on." Cuz we have the same body shape until you start trying it on. You're like, "This is very nice."

3:31 You ever been to a whole another thing going on? Panties for Dad is called Rodney's Adventure.

3:38 It's different than Victoria's Secret because Victoria keeps it keeps it quiet where Yeah. Rodney though out and loud.

3:46 Oh yeah. HE'S LIKE, "PLENT your room for your balls." Yeah. Yeah. These panties, they have a penis hole, SO MAKE SURE THOSE

3:53 WELCOME TO LAST PODCAST on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Barks. I'm putting an end of the Sherrod right now. With me,

4:03 the guy who works at the he's working. With me is the panty curious Henry Zabrowski.

4:11 Wink. I am panty curious because of the the it's so nice and it seems that if it fit under my gut, my panties wouldn't fall down as much inside of my like underwear or inside my pants like I've been saying. But also, the problem is it does push it down because I have a little butt. So, I'm smooshing them. I'm eating the back of the panties with my butt and then my balls are pushing down the front.

4:29 I know we've talked about this a lot lately, but have you thought about a thong?

4:32 Yeah, the thong would be perfect. I feel like a thong would totally work for you. Do I really need to see how much leftover [ __ ] is in my butt at all times?

4:44 Yeah. G-string. That's what that is for. Yeah. Peing. I I was getting to the Colonel Russell Williams. I was watching his interrogation. That's why I was asking Marcus about his father wearing panties.

4:56 Sure. Okay. And we have the man with all the questions and all the answers. It's Ed Larson.

5:00 Yeah. My dad could have been wearing panties, but by the end certainly wasn't wearing socks.

5:05 Yeah. No panty hose for him cuz he didn't have feet. He lost his feet from diabetes.

5:10 Kneeh highs would have been a waste on him. They just would have been two puddles on the floor.

5:16 But you know, when he died, I was taller than him. That's good. It's good that you had that to hold on to. Today we are concluding our series on Ronald Jean Simmons with the Christmas massacre. RONNIE JEAN.

5:30 HE'S A BIT OF A BAD DADDY. SO, when we last left, Ronald Jean Simmons, the most prolific family annihilator in American history. His wife Becky had just given birth to their seventh child. Because if there's one requirement for being the number one family annihilator, it's having a big family.

5:46 Because if it's not big enough to set records, it's like not having a family at all.

5:50 Indeed. Now, being the number one family annihilator of all time, does this make him the worst father of all time? M

5:58 you know cuz that is I feel like that's interesting. I'm still saying Fritzell is still up there.

6:04 Yeah. Yeah. And I also noticed I said the biggest American family annihilator of all time. Yeah. There's a there's others around the world. Uh and of course we can never know the full extent because I'm sure there were plenty of people back in the, you know, 1600s, 1700s that were killing entire families all over this globe. You know how many times there was probably whole stories we've never heard of where one family went over to the home of another family, covered that house in gasoline, and set everybody in that house on fire. Like that's probably happened at least a dozen times.

6:34 I was going to say a dozen. Yeah. And we wouldn't even know. Yeah. We cover when we did the Hatfields and the McCoys. You're like that that's exactly what happened.

6:42 Yeah. Yeah. But they annihilated a different family, so that makes them good fathers.

6:47 Protect your fathers. Yeah. They're generals. Well, Ronnie Gan had attached his self-worth and his manhood to the size of his family. In that same vein, Simmons had also attached his self-worth to how much control he could exert over his family, which combined with his own pedophilic tendencies had resulted in an extended sexual relationship with his eldest daughter. But after the birth of the seventh Simmons child, doctors had told Becky Simmons that she would definitely die if she had another. So, Becky stood up to Ronnie Jean for possibly the first time in their marriage, and Simmons ended up giving in on his wife's desire to have her tubes tied.

7:24 Honestly, I just got to stop because the doctor said I'm going to have to get a foot stool to hold up my intestines. At this point, I'm just all I'm just a SHEET THIS WHOLE TIME. JUST A SHEET. I'M A LEG I'm legs in a sheet. Well, this paired with an incident that resulted in Ronnie Jean's eldest son leaving home as soon as he was able. This was the first crack in Ronnie Jean's carefully constructed and controlled personal world in which his family were near slaves to his personal needs and desires. See, outside of a need for control, what defines Simmons more than anything is a sense of entitlement. Ronnie felt entitled to everything that America had to offer a white man in 1987. He wanted respect from his peers, a solid career, a plot of land, and a family that did what they were told no matter what.

8:17 Cigarettes. Yeah. And when Ronnie Jean's family started bucking his authority in the late '7s, which coincided with the end of his 20-year career in the military, it was the beginning of a series of events that would lead Simmons to the perpetration of 14 murders during the Christmas holidays of 1987. TAKING THE HOLIDAYS BACK FOR THE FATHERS. FATHERS GOT TO DO EVERYTHING ALL YEAR FOR THESE [ __ ] pesky children. Oh, whoa, Santa. Oh, won't you pay the mortgage?

8:50 So, if he found worth in the size of his family when he actually died, he was worthless.

8:55 Indeed. Exactly. Yeah. Indeed. Cuz you can't take it with you. Yeah. And he I mean and he is kind of different from a lot of family annihilators that we've covered and just a lot of the most famous family annihilators like you know John List for example killed his entire family because he was about to lose everything and he didn't want the family to suffer the embarrassment of uh being poor which happens a lot.

9:16 Then we have like the ladies that murder their children. We got the two I believe Andrea Yates she was more of a religious fanatic right that was like mentally ill that was like a breakdown but a lot of

9:25 fanatics and Chris what's his name? Um Chris Watts Chris Watts killed his family so he didn't have to deal with them anymore.

9:32 Okay. It's a sign. That would have been my dad. Yeah. Yeah. It just wouldn't take

9:37 you know the issue is is it really is that it's about this idea of it's a flatness of affect. So they believe that they're saving you from embarrassment. A lot of times family annihilators also will just kill everybody in the media family. The reason why this is particularly interesting, particularly interesting, is because of the days it took to do it and the way he killed his entire family. Most of these guys should stop stop with their kids.

10:01 Yeah. Or it's like a one moment that they just lose their mind and then they regret it. You know, this was sometimes

10:06 Yeah. This was very This is very much planned out and it all comes down to entitlement and him not getting the life that he felt that he was owed, the life that he felt he deserved just for being a white man in America. And cuz last year nobody gave me what I asked for, which was an Oscar Meyer weenie whistle. I ASKED FOR FIDGET SLAP BRACELETS. AND NONE OF YOU WILL HEAR ME OR SEE ME. I WANTED TO RIDE the Weenie mobile like it was an a bomb.

10:37 Can't do any. No one listen. Now, back in 1979, where we last left this story, Ronald Jean Simmons was nearing the end of his career in the Air Force. Since he was such a difficult man, he'd basically been shoved into a nearly shuttered Air Force base outside Alamagordo, New Mexico, so he could serve out his last years without bothering too many people. Simmons, however, had bought himself and his family a plot of land in New Mexico. There, Simmons lived with his wife and six of his kids, who worked the land tirelessly and pointlessly, day and night, under Ronnie Jean's exacting and often incorrect direction.

11:14 GO COUNT THE ROCKS. GO AND COUNT THE ROCKS. It gives them something to do. Where's corn?

11:25 The band or the vegetable? Honestly, I ain't going. Where are they? WHERE ARE THEY? BAKERSFIELD. GOD [ __ ] THEY NEVER COME HERE. THEY NEVER COME TO ALBER.

11:39 SO, he's officially become Jesse Ventura huh? Yeah. I don't know why he got there. The family dynamic, though, was still just as [ __ ] up as ever, and it was about to get worse. See, after Ronnie Jean's wife, Becky, decided that she would not risk her life to give her husband an eighth child, Simmons lost all sexual interest in his marital relationship. Instead, Simmons believed that he needed a young, obedient wife who would bear him enough children to staff his dream farm in Arkansas. If you'll remember, Simmons had idealized a chunk of his childhood that had been spent in the Ozarks. And he believed that he could only achieve true happiness by returning to that area of the world. But instead of divorcing Becky and finding someone outside of his own family line for the Arkansas farm.

12:26 Yes, talk about a snoozefest. What am I going to MAKE A HINGE ACCOUNT? NO. YOU WANT ME TO GO OUT THERE, TRY TO ASK ICE BREAKER QUESTIONS? STUFF LIKE, "HAVE YOU EVER [ __ ] YOUR DAUGHTER? You ever BEEN A GOOD ENOUGH FATHER TO [ __ ] YOUR DAUGHTER?" RIGHT.

12:46 I SPEED DATE INSIDE MY OWN FAMILY. BOOM. BOOM. BOOM. BOOM. Ronnie Jean's entitlement led him to believe that his eldest daughter, Sheila, would nicely fill the new wife role. So, an incestuous relationship began in 1980 when Sheila was around 16 years old. To show the rest of the kids that Sheila was more important, Simmons began picking her up from school personally every day while the rest of the children were left to wait for the bus. Plenty of room in the car, but they ain't coming. Simmons also began following Sheila everywhere with a Polaroid so he could take as many sexually suggestive pictures as he wanted.

13:23 God, Polaroid cameras, man. No, we've talked about it plenty. Many, many. They have they have captured many so many crimes.

13:30 So much child pornography. Really? Oh, cuz you don't have to take it in. Yeah, you don't have to take it in. No. All like Jeffrey Dmer, like he he was a big Polaroid guy.

13:38 Oh, really big. I personally like Polaroids and I think they should be a sponsor.

13:43 You see, they're a wonderful way to keep a memory. They are wonderful. I do love them as well.

13:47 Yeah. I mean, it's wonderful. I have one, you know, one Polaroid I love to see. What a wonderful patino of the old times. You know, me, my uncle, you know, it's nice to see. But then it is nice to have just a collection of my corpses staring at me in the shed just cuz then I'm like I have them still.

14:06 Well, after Ronnie Jean and his daughter began actually having sex, Ronnie Jean did not hide the relationship with his daughter from the rest of his kids or from his wife. He even gave Sheila pet names like Ladybug and little princess.

14:19 This is my uh daughter I [ __ ] I'm sorry. I should be that's my wife. By March of 1981, Sheila was pregnant with her father's child. So Ronnie Jean decided to tell his wife Becky about the pregnancy on the night of Sheila's senior prom. A

14:42 which Sheila only attended at her FATHER'S INSISTENCE. YOU'RE GOING TO THE PROM. YOU'RE GOING TO THE PROM AND I'M WATCHING THROUGH THE WINDOW. NOW, Becky was, of course, stunned at the news that her husband had impregnated her daughter. But Simmons had such control over his family at this point in time, that all he had to do to get his wife to go along with the birth of an incest baby, at least at first, was to tell her to shut up and get with the program.

15:08 You know, I didn't think about it that way until you said that. Oh, I should shut up. I didn't think about that.

15:14 Oh, wow. That's right. I'm just a slippery slide for your seaman production. As I said earlier, Ronnie Jean's eldest child, Jean Jr., had already left home and broken free from his father's grasp by the time all this happened. And since Jean Jr. was outside the sphere of influence, Becky told him about the incest baby within a month. So, Jean Jr. called the local social services to leave an anonymous tip reporting the crime. Social workers therefore showed up at the Simmons home in New Mexico to interview Sheila, who quickly admitted to having a forced sexual relationship with her father. Do they call this group of workers like the ew squad?

15:54 Specific like ew squad like for specifically icky things. It's called CPS protective services.

16:00 I'm sorry. Yeah, there's some of our but there's some of our most uh thankless government workers out there and you know they get good on you for all the CPS workers out there.

16:09 I'd be like go send some yuckers out there. Yes, that's what we need. Some guys who can really take it. We got to get some real Yeah.

16:15 You don't want the word yuck in there though. Yeah. Oh no. Oh, you mean like you don't mean like yuckers? Oh, the

16:21 not laughing. Yeah, I mean like Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The yucker squad. Yeah. Yeah.

16:26 They get to go in there. Those are yuckers. Yeah. Oh, sure. Thank you. Nice pronunciation.

16:30 The creepy crawies. I mean, get out. But since this was the early 80s and Ronald Gene Simmons was incredibly arrogant, it seems like he felt as if he could talk his way out of this pickle because he continually denied to the social workers that there was anything abnormal about himself or his family. But when the social worker filed charges for incest and the case hit the local news, Simmons started getting nervous. The trigger to actually leave, however, came when the former mayor of Alamagordo was sentenced to 60 years in prison for child sex abuse, which showed Ronnie Jean that a white man could indeed go down in America for doing exactly what he had done. This is why I love Arkansas.

17:12 They built an entire state. If you're truly devoted to the ideals of this country, if you're a father and you made a child, just reprint it. That's what I say, man. Double down. That's what that is.

17:26 It's actually hard to We actually had Joel try to find like, you know, is Arkansas the incest capital of America? It's top 10. Okay. Uh it is surprisingly hard to find incest statistics, though.

17:38 Yeah. It's like they hide it and don't want to talk about it. Yeah. But I will say though is that, you know, they they talk about how, you know, like, well, you know, it's illegal to marry your cousin in certain states. I think you need to look at states where it's illegal to marry your cousin because that means it was happening so often they had to pass a law.

17:55 Whoa. Interesting. Great. Yeah, it is illegal to marry your first cousin in Arkansas. However, it is legal to have sex with them and to live with them.

18:04 Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So, put that in your pocket. Don't go. No. Again, that's safe. I know we just passed Thanksgiving, but you can save that one for Christmas.

18:12 Oh, yeah. No, that's a that's a Hanukkah story. And we know how much Hanukkah is celebrated in Arkansas.

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23:13 You know what? I just figured they're in the end like we we got to support our community because if he as soon as he falls we're all going boys. Yeah, but there's no internet. The guy probably had no idea that he was a kid [ __ ] That's very possible.

23:26 Yeah, very possible. But after getting alone, Riny Gene packed up his entire family into a U-Haul and escaped New Mexico just before the sheriff arrived at his property with a warrant for his arrest. This, of course, effectively ended Ronnie Jean's career in the Air Force.

23:41 Unbelievable. He put the force in Air Force. But in the midst of the escape, Ronnie Jean had finally decided to take his first shot at his dream. Their ultimate destination was the small town of Ward, Arkansas, which was just 80 miles from Marne Jean's dream town of Hector in the Ozarks. But rather than being the place where Ronald Gene Simmons finally found contentment, Ward, Arkansas would instead be the site of both Ronnie Jean's Christmas time family annihilation and the spree shooting within the town itself that followed soon after.

24:14 Oh, he must have got a good mortgage interest rate. Yeah, he did actually. That's really nice. Yeah. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he borrowed he made took a lean against his property in New Mexico and was able to get a good amount of money to really start a new start a new incestuous life in Arkansas.

24:26 That's smart incest real estate contest. And this is before they like had like the national database of crimes, right?

24:33 Exactly. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he easily escaped the incest warrant. And the warrant wasn't filed with the FBI. States didn't share information back then. So, as long as he stayed out of New Mexico, basically in the clear. But even though Ronnie Jean had escaped justice,

24:47 Yeah. Now he can [ __ ] his daughter anywhere he wants. You know, Henry, you know that's was

24:53 what I asked in a much nicer way. [ __ ] her [ __ ] [ __ ] any place. West Virginia.

25:01 WE KNOW. I SAY I think West Virginia is number one. Yeah. I think it might be. It's destination. It's all the moonshine.

25:09 But even though Ronnie, they call it the Mountain Dew. It's serious destination for fun. But even though Ronnie Gene had escaped justice, he was still terribly paranoid when he arrived with his wife and six kids in Arkansas. His family was ordered to keep all the lights off in the house and never answer the phone, and the children weren't allowed to go anywhere outside of the house by themselves. Sheila, however, started to rest herself free from her father's control after they established themselves in the South. She attended a business school in Little Rock. And when she finally started making friends, she began seeing just how grotesque the relationship with her father really was.

25:46 It's so hard to share stuff with your friends when you're like, you know, when your daddy spits in your mouth in order to make you a chocolate fountain and they're like, "What?

25:54 You're not supposed to be doing that." You don't do that. You and your daddy don't share toothbrush on top and bottom.

26:00 No, no, just the top. Oh, yeah. You know. Oh, that's weird. That's weird. You've never fathered a child with your father.

26:09 Mother child, too. Yeah. Well, are you I kind of was both. I was wearing the pants.

26:15 You're a man, aren't you? Oh, YOU GOT ME. UH-OH. WHERE'S SHEILA? I'm just a colonel in the Canadian Army, and I've been wanting to wear panties in a in a careerlike fashion for a long time. This is the worst version of Ladybug. featuring Colonel Russell Williams. Ladybug was a great idea and Rodney Dangerfield.

26:41 But even though Sheila was making friends, the sexual relationship had nevertheless continued. So Sheila became pregnant again in late 1981. But Gene, perhaps wanting to avoid any more undue attention, forced her to get an abortion, which ended up being a turning point for Sheila. After the abortion, she began confiding in a new friend, Dennis McNelte, about the incest. And eventually, she found the strength to completely reject her father, despite his continual attempts to shame her into having sex with him. This, of course, was another blow to Ronnie Jean's fragile ego, which was made all the more powerful because Arkansas was supposed to be where Simmons was finally going to get everything he thought he deserved. I also wonder why he thought that like he could shame your daughter into having sex with you. I don't feel like in that in that way you might need to like bribe her or something. I feel like if you're

27:30 doing things like daddy's hard, can't you see how hard your father is? It's such a bad pitch.

27:36 Yeah, it's trying to make her feel bad for LOOK HOW HARD YOUR FATHER IS. What's he going to do with it?

27:42 What's your father going to do with it? You going to leave him out here in the cold? It's also like he's not wronged by anybody. It seems like at this point.

27:50 No, he's never He's ne never wronged by anybody. It's all about what he believes he deserves.

27:55 Yeah. He's a piece of [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. Everything bad that happened in his life was his fault.

28:02 He's a bad man. Did bad things. Now, within a couple of years, Ronnie Jean found a 13 acre plot of land outside of town that he eventually named Mockingbird Hill.

28:13 A That's so nice, isn't it? After purchasing the land, Simmons crammed his wife and five remaining kids into the double wide mobile home that had already been pllopped down on the property. Now, naturally, Mockingbird Hill was an absolute hell hole of an existence. Ronald Gan quickly turned it into a white trash cliche, filling it with junked out cars, electrical fixtures, barbed wire, and various other pieces of junk that Simmons would force his children to use for his hairbrain projects that never quite worked out because his labor force was entirely children. The double wide also had no plumbing. So Ronnie Jean had his kids build outouses out of scrap and dig massive privy pits to hold all the waste that two adults and five kids create.

28:56 Within just a few years though, those privy pits would become a terribly odorous mass grave for the Simmons family.

29:04 Oh, there was a book about it, right? To to kill a bunch of mocking birds. I thought that was the fight against wind energy. Now, even though Ronnie Jean seemed to be making headway towards his dream of a family farm in Arkansas, the indignities of his own reality, or at least the indignities he perceived, kept hitting him square in the face. Sheila began dating her friend Dennis McNelte. And despite Ronnie Jean's best attempts to sabotage the relationship, he'll never love you like I do. Do he'll never love He'll never love your incest daughter, Sheila and Dennis got serious.

29:41 Additionally, the only jobs Ronnie Gene could get in Arkansas were low-skilled labor. His first job was working as an industrial cleaner, fishing pickles out of vats of brine at the local pickle factory for five bucks an hour.

29:55 I love that job. It's a good job. I don't know. But that's the thing. They say that if you love your job, you never work a day in your life. But you also don't want to overdo your passions.

30:04 You don't want to get too close to the brine professionally. Yeah. Sometimes I'll go months without eating a pickle just so I can like get the pickle flavor back up and I can get the desire back up. You know, it's sort of like edging but for pickles.

30:14 If you have your manager breathing down your [ __ ] neck about dill production, you're going to be really [ __ ] pissed. You're going to be like, first of all, money and pickles never should have been a thing. No.

30:23 Pickles were made by humans that were made by nobody. Okay. Pickles are literally like we took God's [ __ ] bad creation. We made it tasty.

30:33 Mhm. I just hope like one day someone like looked at him and was like, "Ronnie, you call this a [ __ ] girkin? You piece of shit?"

30:40 Yeah. He's like, "NO, TAKE A LOOK. THIS IS WHAT I CALL A [ __ ] GIRKIN." YOU SEE HIS like purple little like incest build penis.

30:48 Girkin. This is barely a cornon. I [ __ ] MY DAUGHTER FOR A LONG TIME. I KNOW WHAT GIRKENS ARE. If there's one thing this incest lover knows, it's tiny pickles. That's what I love. I love pickles.

31:03 Well, Ronnie paired that job with a night shift at a Delmonte frozen food plant. Neither of which were jobs befitting an Air Force man of Ronnie Jean's self-styled STATURE.

31:13 THERE'S CORN NIBBLELETS [ __ ] EVERYWHERE. I AM SICK AND GODDAMN TIRED. THIS [ __ ] LITTLE PEAS IN MY SHOES.

31:24 THIS PLACE [ __ ] SUCKS. I'M GOING TO GO home and [ __ ] my eyes. All right. All right. Okay.

31:32 We're sick of hearing it right now. We're all getting a little too in charact. OH, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE.

31:42 THAT'S ALL RIGHT. Henry doesn't have a family. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very important thing to remember. Although he does have two female dogs.

31:49 I'm a girl dad to two dogs. And just the idea of what he even thought of doing to his daughter makes me sick. Just thinking of burdening car me with a child

32:00 makes me so sad. She's been looking good lately. Thank you. Yeah, we've been working on it.

32:09 Growing up that car. You wait your turn. Watch out when you take her to the dog party.

32:18 Yeah, I know. She's a flirt. I always like it when they say that about children.

32:22 Oh, I hate it when people refer to a child as a flirt. He's a little flirt. I don't think people do that anymore. I think that was more of an 80s and '90s.

32:31 He's a little [ __ ] My son [ __ ] [ __ ] Well, before long, Ronnie Jean quit his job at Delmonte and got a part-time job as a cashier at a local Mini Mart, where he played the part of the local pain in the ass right up until his eventual murder spree a few years later.

32:55 What a horrible job for him to have, like interacting with everybody in town, people every single day. Like, I could imagine like not going to the mini like that [ __ ] Ronnie that Ronald Simmons is working there. I don't want to [ __ ] go.

33:08 Oh my god. How many times did like the cash register not open and he just like punched it out of range?

33:14 [ __ ] this. [ __ ] THIS [ __ ] GODAMN. [ __ ] IT. I SAID I SAID ENTER. ENTER. THIS IS another

33:20 [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. It's another [ __ ] thing sent from Asia to ruin my life.

33:25 Now, Ronnie Jean's desire for mass murder was by no means an overnight invention. Instead, it seems like the path truly began in 1984 when Ronnie's world began getting shakier and shakier. As such, he retreated into an inner world, both mentally and physically, where murder became the only possible solution to his problems. See, in the summer of 1984, Ronnie Jean's daughter, Sheila, married Dennis McNelte. Simmons thereafter went into a full extended pout, shutting himself away in the only room in the mobile home that had a lock.

33:58 In his little locked room, Ronnie Jean ate junk food alone and mopily masturbated to old nude polaroids of his daughter for hours on end.

34:08 God damn it. I got zagnut all over this one. [ __ ] How am I supposed now? Payday. There you go. THERE WE GO. CHOCOLATE. GOOD. Her 11th birthday. I'll always REMEMBER WE WENT TO CHUCK-E-CHEESE. You know, that might be the end of it. You know, that might be the last that might be the last one. I think I think we can put that to bed now.

34:43 Well, I'll take my Charleston shoe and I'll go to the bathroom, I guess. Ronnie Jean's other kids, meanwhile, were also starting to grow up, leave home, and start families of their own. By this point, three of the Simmons children had left and married. While Ronnie Jean's wife, Becky, was also asserting her own independence. After years of isolation, Becky reconnected with her sister and told her everything about the decades of trauma with her husband, from the abuse to the incest. Soon after, Becky began comparing notes with Jean Jr., and the two of them concluded that Ronnie Jean was not only most likely an obsessive compulsive, but was probably a full-on sociopath. Right on the money. In other words, the family was starting to pull away and see Ronald Jean Simmons for what he really was.

35:29 From what it sounds like, he could feel it in his bones by the mid80s that his entitled fantasies were never going to manifest. And things got even more unbearable for Ronnie Gene when he took a job at a local freight company as a clerk. He was a man in an office of women, and taking orders from women, which he unsurprisingly despised, made him even more morose and irritable. The only thing Simmons did like about his job at the freight company was a 21-year-old named Kathy who looked similar to Ronnie's daughter, Sheila.

35:59 Let me ask you something, Kathy. How you feel about fathers? I guess it's not over yet, huh?

36:08 Did I make you? I just quit. I just want to know. Well, Simmons acted as if he actually cared about Kathy in order to gain her trust. And before long, Kathy was indeed opening up to this fat, balding 44year-old loser. Very quickly though, Ronnie started making Kathy uncomfortable by showing up to work with flowers and inviting Kathy to his home at Mockingbird Hill. Simmons would also rant to this office full of women about all the ways in which the women in his life were causing him suffering, which did not make him popular either.

36:40 Fire him. Well, that's what everyone else probably did. Well, the problem is is that that's going to be an issue.

36:46 Yeah. Yeah. Now, everything came to a head at the freight company when Ronnie Jean got into a fight with his boss, a woman named Joyce Butts.

36:53 YEAH, THEY SHOULD CALL YOU JOYCE ASSES. That's really clever, Ronnie. Yeah, really [ __ ] clever, Ronnie.

37:00 Yeah, you're right. Regular [ __ ] Lenny Bruce, AREN'T YOU, RONNIE? I DON'T. OH, YOU OH, YOU'RE MAKING [ __ ] YOU [ __ ] I kind of clever [ __ ] comeback. YOU [ __ ] [ __ ] IN JULY OF 1986, Joyce reprimanded Ronnie for failing to properly sort and code company bills according to company policy. Cuz Simmons pushed back by repeatedly insisting that his way was better.

37:30 I DON'T LIKE DOING IT WRONG AND SLOW. THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. THAT'S HOW [ __ ] DOESN'T get done.

37:39 Simmons and Butts got into a shouting match in front of everyone. So Joyce gave Ronnie an official write up in his personnel file. A few months later, Ronnie walked into Joyce's office and literally told her to take this job and shove it

37:57 like the song. Yeah. Right after he told his crush Kathy quote "I hope you're happy now."

38:03 And nobody knew exactly why. I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY NOW. Nobody knew exactly why Ronnie Jean quit that day specifically. Nor do they know why Kathy should be happy about it. From what it seems like, Ronnie Jean was fully retreating into an impenetrable world of entitlement and rage. Because once he quit his job at the freight company, the countdown towards family annihilation began.

38:27 I tell you right now, I'm coming right BACK HERE FOR YOU BUTTS. I'M coming right BACK HERE FOR YOU BUTTS. AND YOU [ __ ] KNOW IT. ALL RIGHT. YOUR BUTTS ARE MINE BUTTS.

38:37 Watch your ass, BUTTS. BUTTS. COMING FOR YOU. I'M GOING TO STICK MY FACE RIGHT IN THERE. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be sexual. I trying to stop that and try to curb that. Cathy, if you want to be sexual, I have free time.

38:57 I will peruse your butts. Now, Ronnie Jean's grip on his family was indeed slipping, but Simmons did try various manipulation tactics to regain control before he murdered everyone. Tried begging first. He apologized to Sheila for fathering an incest baby.

39:14 Hey, that's a first step. Yeah. Yeah. And then he insisted to Becky that he had changed, that he was going to bring the family back together. But like many abusers, Ronnie Jean made it all about himself rather than taking any responsibility. In one letter to Becky, he wrote, quote,

39:28 "You just don't know what it's been like for me." For me? For me? Have you thought about how I feel about impregnating my daughter?

39:37 Do you have any idea how hard it is to groom somebody for that long with all my opportunities? How often people are slinging bush at me THAT I HAD TO SAY NO TO?

39:50 The family, however, was not buying it. In Becky's letters to her sister in the months before the massacre, she referred to Jean as old crazy and called him a jerk. Oh god.

40:00 But I mean, it doesn't sound bad. It would have been unthinkable a few years before for her to even utter a single like bad word about him. And now she's, you know, openly telling people about it. And additionally, Jean's attempts at molesting his other daughter, Loretta, had been thwarted. See, Becky didn't want what had happened to Sheila to happen to Loretta. So, Becky had wellprepared Loretta in secret to watch out for her father. As such, Loretta only communicated with her father by slipping letters underneath the door of Ronnie Jean's locked masturbation junk food room where he was spending much of his time.

40:35 I'm sick of reading your erotica. All right. I'm sick of this. What is a court of thorns and roses?

40:42 If you would have just stuck to the junk food masturbation room, everything would have been fine.

40:46 Yeah. I mean that I think that's the case with many men if you you know I like it in here like if he was just in his masturbation room and just been like my happy place.

41:01 The Well, that's the that's the famous quote is that many of humanity's trouble comes from man's inability to sit alone in a room.

41:08 Oh, sure. Oh, very much so. As for Ronnie Jean, it was obvious that violent thoughts were entering his mind. He took to shooting stray dogs, armadillos, and other critters around his property, which he would dump in shallow graves around Mockingbird Hills 13 acres.

41:23 Can't wait to dig much bigger graves. OH, LOOK. THERE'S A GRAVE ALREADY, DOG. THAT'S CRAZY. I JUST CAN'T CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THIS grave could fit you?

41:36 Loretta, I got you a dog costume. Would you mind trying it on for now? Well, Simmons also began making sideways violent threats towards his family. In one example, Sheila and her husband Dennis arrived at Mocking Bird Hill for a visit just a few months before the massacre. Ronnie Gene, however, physically stepped in between them and said that Dennis wasn't welcome at Mockingbird Hill because Simmons blamed Dennis for his own daughter basically breaking up with him. After arguing about Dennis for a while, Ronnie Jean grabbed his 22 revolver from inside the trailer and went out back to shoot bottles and rocks in the yard.

42:10 I'm going outside with my gun. Not a good sign. No. After firing off dozens of rounds without saying a word, Simmons went inside and Dennis and Sheila left. Seeing that their father's behavior was only getting more chaotic, Becky and Ronnie, Jean's kids, tried convincing Becky to leave. But while she agreed that her husband was a nightmare, she still refused to leave him because, ironically, she was afraid of what he would do if she left and took the kids. Well, we know that that is the most dangerous point in an abusive relationship is trying to leave.

42:42 Yeah. Always. That's usually when all the bad [ __ ] happens. It also just shows like how much fun it is to watch people shoot guns.

42:48 Well, they should have left the moment he pulled out the gun, but like, you know, let's see what he does with me.

42:53 It's so funny when HE DOES THE SEE HOW FAST I CAN DO IT. SEE HOW FAST I CAN BUY MY HEAD. I PUT IN MY BALLS.

43:01 Wild Bill Hickock. The November of 1987 was quiet at Mockingbird Hill. None of the kids who had moved away visited even on Thanksgiving, and Ronnie Jean stayed locked inside his masturbation room day and night. When he did emerge, it seemed as if he was distracted by something, preoccupied.

43:20 I just can't believe I couldn't get it up to Kathy Lee this morning. Little did the family know that Ronnie Jean had made a list of all the people he was planning to kill, which included not only his wife and kids, but also Joyce Buts and Kathy Kendricks from the freight company, who were still burning Ronnie Jean's ass a full year after he quit.

43:44 Dude, it's a year later. He's still angry at old butts. Mhm. Ronnie Jean, however, was not shy about what he was planning. Reportedly, the bread delivery man at the Mini Mart said that Simmons had told him that Simmons had been maligned by several people, but he was soon enough going to get even with all of them. Listen, I just got the bread.

44:07 Let me tell you something, Ronnie. Uh, I'm not going to I'm not going to exaggerate here. You're the third man this week telling me his plans of mass murder. Now, I just want to know if you want these new hollow breads. You want these new whole wheat bread?

44:21 I have a personal responsibility that anyone who says they're going to kill someone, I just give them extra bread so they like me.

44:29 Hey, don't kill me, huh? All right, have a good day. Now, just just a heads up, what day are you planning on GETTING EVEN?

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48:55 with factor. Offer only valid for new factor customers with code and qualifying autorenewing subscription purchase. Now, the Simmons family had decided that they were all going to work together to get their mother to leave Ronnie Jean that Christmas, and they began coordinating on ways to get their mother to safety. They of course knew that Henry said that the most dangerous time for anyone in an abusive relationship is when they leave. So, they were trying to do it right, but Ronnie Jean had already decided to murder his entire family that very same holiday. And so on December 18th, Ronald Jean Simmons quit his job at the Mini Mart in preparation for what was to come. He told off his boss, saying he was leaving cuz he was tired of working there.

49:40 This bar AIN'T BIG ENOUGH. IT'S TOO MANY. I NEED A MAXIM. He got the worst hours and the worst pay out of everyone. Again, it's entitlement. Armani Jean then waited for the day that his eldest son was set to visit, December 22nd, 1987. See, Simmons had surmised that Jean Jr. had been the one who had turned the whole family against him. Because if you remember, Jean Jr. was the first person in the family to actually stand up to Ronnie Jean. So, Simmons decided that he would begin the annihilation of his family on the day that Gan Jr. came to visit. Now, I feel like a lot of people, not that everyone has a kill list, but I almost feel like there is a therapeutic way for you to make the list and then burn it.

50:21 Um, if you make the list of everybody, all the people you want to kill across the the world and all across all pale things and you make you write the list out just to get it out of your system, get a polaroid of it.

50:32 It might help and then you burn the list. You burn the list and like you say you you talk about writing an angry letter and then you never mail it.

50:39 Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't think that would help? Who's number one on your list, Henry?

50:43 Yeah. Oh, I don't know if I should say. I think he shouldn't. I I think that that's a I think that's some for a private conversation.

50:52 It's for Christmas. Oh yeah, maybe he was just picking a Christmas list. It's a Christmas list. All the people I want to deliver to Jesus Christ.

51:04 Now, Ronnie Jean didn't sleep at all the night before the massacre. So, he emerged from his masturbation room on the morning of December 22nd, jittery and irritable.

51:13 He's living alone by this point, right? No, it's him, his wife, and four kids. Oh, okay. I thought the wife was gone.

51:20 No, no, no, no. The wife had not left it. No, they're all there. Can we get the Home Alone theme for this?

51:25 We can't do that. Okay. Just checking. Can't do it, Henry. Just checking. Well, Becky was in the bathroom on that day while Jean Jr. was somewhere in the trailer with his three-year-old daughter. Ronnie Jean's four schoolage children, meanwhile, all between the ages of 17 and 8, had their last breakfast, then left for school. Once they were gone, Ronald Jean Simmons took his 22 caliber snub-nosed pistol and methodically began the devil's business. Becky was the first to go, shot twice in the head, while Ronnie Jean's eldest son, Jean Jr., was killed with four head shot and a bullet to the chest. Some accounts say that Ronnie Jean even smashed in their skulls with a twoft length of pipe. After killing the adults, Simmons then strangled his three-year-old granddaughter to death with a length of yellow nylon fishing line. Once everyone else was dead, Simmons loaded the bodies into a wheelbarrow and dumped them in the

52:19 outhouse pits that his children had dug on his orders. After that, Ronnie Jean simply waited at Mockingbird Hill for the school day to end so he could pick up his other four kids. As a show of power over the son he just murdered, Ronnie arrived in Jean Jr.'s Buick, then drove all of his remaining children home. Once they got back to Mockingbird Hill, Simmons told them that he had a Christmas present for each of them, but wanted to give them their presents individually and alone. So, the children were to wait in the Buick while the others went inside one by one. The first to die was Loretta, the 17-year-old, who was taken inside and quickly gared again with nylon fishing line. She struggled, but after Simmons pushed her to the ground, he laid his knee on her chest and pulled the garage tight until she lost consciousness. To make sure she was dead, he then dragged her to the bathroom and plunged her head into the

53:13 water barrel they kept for washing and such because there was still no running water in the house. Simmons then repeated the process with his other three children all the way down to the 8-year-old. And after killing them all, Simmons watched TV and drank wine and beer for a bit before finally dumping the bodies of his children in the same privy pit where he dumped the three family members he'd killed that morning. He then soaked the bodies in kerosene, but covered the pit with sheets of tin and barbed wire instead of lighting the fire. He finished the afternoon by trashing the house so he could possibly claim that a maniac had stormed the place and killed everyone but him. And after that impotent task was done, Ronnie Jean sat back down in front of the TV with a beer and watched Wheel of Fortune to contemplate the murder of half his family.

53:59 God damn. It's annihilation. No. [ __ ] I hate this. I hate [ __ ] letters. So he killed Loretta, strangled her.

54:12 No, just shot her in the head. Oh, he shot Loretta in the head. Oh, no. Loretta. Yeah, Loretta was strangled. Yeah.

54:17 So he strangled Loretta. There's three other kids are sitting outside in the Buick. So what? He like opened the door and he would like called for the next one and they walked in and then

54:25 Yeah, just one by one. And there wasn't any screaming in that. I mean, there's no way to really know, I guess. Yeah.

54:30 Well, what do we know? And what are they going to And also if even if there was screaming or struggle or what are they going to do? They're children, you know, he's a full grown man.

54:38 Well, we've said on the show before and I think that what people don't particularly if you haven't been anywhere where a gun is shot. Yeah. Even from inside, a gun sounds way weirder than you, way different than maybe you think it is, especially as a kid, especially 22.

54:50 And I know they've been around guns, but still like this idea, but 22 is a really small gun. And so you're going into the room. I could definitely see it be done in a way that it's fairly not subtle, but I could see it done in a way in which they don't quite the kids don't quite understand what's happening. Well, that by that point there was no gunshot because like the only um

55:12 So the kids are just doing it. Yeah, the kids were all gared with a fishing wire. So like the most they might hear is like a scream or you know some struggle, but you know the the he's doing it in the trailer and the kids are all in the car. Uh so yeah, they probably had no idea what was going on.

55:28 Yeah. And especially every time he comes out with a new piece of Christmas flare on and he's getting more excited. He's got or like ornaments on his nipples.

55:35 He's coming out. He's got elf shoes now. Every time he comes out, it's something new and you're like, "Wow, that's amazing this year." And

55:41 he's not. No, it's the worst year. Yeah, it's a bad year for him. Yeah. Now, Ronnie Jean kept to himself on the night he committed his first seven murders. When he wasn't drinking and watching TV, he was going out to the privy peds to stare at the corpses he'd made to kick off the Christmas holidays. But on the 23rd, he drove to a nearby Sears and picked up a stereo system he'd ordered for his wife. He then returned home and set fire to the corpses. Then spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Day moping around the house blaming his family for doing this to themselves.

56:15 And what was he listening to on his new stereo system? I am I'm guessing Barbara Stryand's Christmas albums.

56:21 Oh yeah. Yeah. Jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle bells. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're close. It's like jingle bells jingle bells all the way.

56:30 Yeah, that's what it is. Sounds terrible. It is. I love it. She has no business the Christmas. She's very Jewish.

56:40 I don't go for that Jew Christmas. I LIKE A DON HO CHRISTMAS. GIVE ME A HAWAIIAN CHRISTMAS.

56:46 I WANT A BLONDHEADED MAN. I MEAN, ALL the great Christmas songs are written by Jews.

56:51 That is true. Yeah. Irving and uh and uh Jesus Christ. Yeah. It's all about them. Number one. Number one Jew. Remember that this Christmas when you're killing a family.

57:00 Oh, I Oh, I do. The massacre, however, was only a third of the way done. On December 26th, Ronnie Jean's son, Billy, arrived at Mockingbird Hill with his wife and child. Sheila and her husband were due to arrive that day as well, along with the child she'd had with her husband, Ronnie, and Ronnie Jean's incestuous child grandchild. Now, Billy Simmons had known something was up before he even arrived. He'd called his grandmother on the way to Mockingbird Hill and she told Billy that she'd been worried because nobody had answered the phone at the trailer for several days.

57:34 Sheila was worried as well because she hadn't heard from Jean Jr. since the 21st. But despite these massive red flags, Billy and Sheila still went to mocking Bird Hill without calling the police. Most likely because they were holding on to the hope that their worst fears had not come true. I also bet you they were kind of halfopening that he just killed himself.

57:56 Yeah. And then maybe their maybe her mother was somewhere else. Yeah. But he's also I mean like he's been physically abusive by this point, right?

58:03 Oh, very much so. Yeah. But he's never like taken it to the next level like this. No. But it's he's been a terrorist to the family. Like

58:11 he's emotionally violent and he's been threatening violence and he's been amping up all the gun rehe and all the gunner presence and all the gun activity. M.

58:20 So it's like he's been very much getting them ready. But you still never think it's going to happen to you. You just think it's a story that you hear.

58:27 Of course. If you thought it would happen to you, you everyone would say there's you're wrong. It's not going to happen to you.

58:32 And this is right. You don't have to go home for Christmas. You really don't. That's the biggest lesson here is that you don't have to ever go home for Christmas.

58:42 Well, as it went, Ronald Jean Simmons killed his son Billy with his revolver as soon as Billy walked in the door. killed him with two shots to the head, while Billy's wife was killed just after with seven shots to the head and neck. Now, we have no idea why, but Ronald Gene Simmons bifurcated his murder methods into one method for the adults and one for the children. While all the adults were quickly shot in the head, the kids all died agonizing extended deaths by strangulation, which really is the opposite of what you'd expect.

59:12 Not really. He's a [ __ ] [ __ ] He knew he couldn't win the fight. Yeah, he's an old man at this point. I didn't think about it that way cuz I thought about it from the perspective of like, you know, like I would if I had to kill a family.

59:23 Yeah. I'd want to get the kids over with quickly. I wouldn't want to like sit in the murder of the children.

59:29 But he's putting the then I can also see it's not even just the fight. I could see a psychological thing of killing the kids and then this sort of like a symbol of the future of the family. You want to put all of your pain in. You're going to make them feel the pain of it. Yeah,

59:46 because he hated the kids. He resented the children most of all because he literally couldn't control their futures.

59:53 But the weird thing was is that he really did he separated it between like 18 and up and 18 and under. Like even his own children who were, you know, in their early 20s, like I think Sheila was only like 21 or something like that, maybe maybe 20 years old. Uh still shot in the head, you know, like but the and but um Loretta, who was 17, strangled with the fishing line. I think Ronnie's tale is a tale of the life unexamined

1:00:17 and kind of what happens when you don't look inward. And I think that Ronnie I might be stepping out of my bounds here a little bit.

1:00:23 Go for it, buddy. I don't know if Ronnie has thought about what he wants, right?

1:00:28 Or how really in the end really how he feels who he is. And it kind of comes out like this.

1:00:34 Yeah. Cuz if you don't know who you are, you don't know what you want. Yeah. And sometimes you end up [ __ ] your daughter and putting a baby inside of her and then murder her later on.

1:00:40 That is sometimes what happens. It can happen that way with people. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:44 Your thesis is upsetting. Just be careful. THAT'S WHY. START THAT BAND. That's what this is about. Start that band. Paint that picture.

1:00:55 Well, in this the third murder spree, Billy and his wife have brought their baby to Marking Bird Hill. After shooting the baby's parents, Simmons once again used the nylon fishing line to strangle his grandson before holding him underwater in the bathroom water barrel. Afterward, the bodies were all dragged into the double wides dining room where Ronald Jean Simmons awaited the last of his family. Now, just a few hours after Ronnie Jean killed Billy and his family, Sheila arrived with Dennis and their two children. Sheila entered the house first where Ronnie Jean shot her as soon as she walked inside six times in the head. Now, to hear in the gunshots, Dennis ran inside as well and was killed by a single head shot. And this is also like an interesting psychological thing is that every time he shoots a woman, he shoots them far more times than he shoots the man. The man gets one maybe two bullets

1:01:46 the women anywhere between four and seven. It's almost like his version of ultraviolence with the gun on them.

1:01:52 Yeah. No, he's he wants to destroy them as much as possible. He's he's got this rage towards women specifically

1:01:58 and he hates the kid. And he hates the kids. Yeah. Lonnie Jean then presumably went out to the car and got his six-year-old incest child so he could strangle her with a nylon fishing line as well. He then put the child's corpse into Loretta's bed and laid a blanket over the body. We have no idea why he treated this corpse differently than all of the others.

1:02:19 It's his favorite probably. Yeah, I would imagine so. The last member of the family to be killed was Sheila's one-year-old son, who was strangled and drowned like all the rest of the kids. And once done, Simmons took the bodies of the two infants and wrapped them in garbage bags. The bags were taped shut and the corpses were left in the trunks of two abandoned cars on his property. Finally, Ronald Gene Simmons took a tablecloth and draped it over Sheila's body. He decided to leave the bodies of the people he killed on the 26th to rot in the trailer with him instead of taking them out to the pits.

1:02:52 And by the end of it, Simmons had killed his wife, all of his children, all of his grandchildren, and two out of the three people his adult children had married.

1:03:01 How many is that now? 12. God, 12 people were dead in four separate murder sprees committed over two days. The only person in the Simmons family to survive the massacre was Jean Jr.'s wife, who only escaped because she was taking a break from her marriage to Jean Jr. after a rough patch. You know, this is probably a bad time to even think this, but it's crazy. You finally get the whole family together.

1:03:28 This is crazy how much takes a tragedy, doesn't it? TAKES A TRAGEDY TO GET THE WHOLE FAMILY TOGETHER. NOW, on the Now, on the evening of December 26th, after Ronnie Jean had finished killing his entire family, he went to a nearby bar, ordered two cocktails, drank only one, and did not tip.

1:03:50 Prick. Yeah. But on the 26th, Yeah. Unbelievable. But bar patrons remember that Ronnie, for some reason, continually toasted the empty chair next to him.

1:04:02 But he was always an empty chair next to him. It's not like the guy ever drank with anybody. Exactly. No, but you know, but this time he was happy about it. The next day, Ronald Jean Simmons stayed home drinking and watching TV. But he also wrote a list.

1:04:15 See, Henry, it's just a list. See, Ronnie Jean was not done taking his revenge on the world just yet. Even though his family was dead, there were still plenty of other people who had wronged him in and around the town of Ward, Arkansas. There was, of course, Kathy and Joyce at the freight company. But Simmons also planned to kill David Sier, his old boss at the Mini Mart. His last target was the owner of the Mini Mart, Rusty Taylor.

1:04:44 Oh, that's a guy who owns a mini. OH, YEAH. RUSTY TAYLOR'S MINI MART. YEAH. He defended Simmons when he had sold the Mini Mart without at least offering to sell it to his worst employee first.

1:04:55 Ronald, I would absolutely love Rossy Taylor. I would absolutely love to sell you this mini Martin. No, no question. Absolutely not. But I don't know if we are aware of the collateral or need of the uh instructural integrity one must understand about the business itself. Ronald, I don't know if you're ready for this type of leadership.

1:05:17 And are you ready for the grave responsibility of the slushy machine? IT MUST BE CLEAN. IT MUST be clean. It's my struggle.

1:05:28 Interestingly enough, I made a slushie out of my family. Exactly. It is that sort of self-reentual sense of humor that will make me misdo always.

1:05:39 I was Jean short for anything possibly Jeanford. And so after doing practice runs on four locations where his targets worked on the 26th and the 27th to time out the quickest routes between each business, Ronnie Jean exited his trailer on December 28th on a mission. He had decided to wear a big white cowboy hat for the occasion. And he carried with him three letters, a bottle of wine, a box of crackers for when he got peckish, and two 22 pistols.

1:06:10 Once again, he drove Jean Jr.'s Buick into town as a last petty [ __ ] you to the son he had just murdered.

1:06:17 I think this is him trying to uh be murdered by the public as well. I You know what? I don't think so. I I really don't think so. I think he wouldn't have minded being murdered by the public. Uh

1:06:30 cuz this is now now he's in falling down type world. Like now we're burning it all to the [ __ ] ground.

1:06:37 I don't think he particularly cares, but I actually I do think he cares. I think his ego wants him to survive to the end.

1:06:44 Yeah. So he can win, right? He has to win. And that's the As long as he gets to the end,

1:06:48 he has to be murdered by the state. Yeah. That's how he wins. As long as he shoots everyone on his list, that's how he wins. He's not trying to get killed. He's not trying to do suicide by cop. He's trying to kill. He's trying to take revenge on the world. That's all he cares about.

1:07:01 And again, this is an inappropriate way to maybe even shoehorn this in, but it's like again, if you're thinking about like your goals, think about what's attainable for you with what you have.

1:07:13 Sure. And that's what Ronnie did is that he realized like I got to stop dreaming and start thinking about what I can do now to make my dreams happy.

1:07:21 Yeah. Yeah, he can't kill Dan Quail, but no, he wishes. We all wished he could.

1:07:26 After mailing the letters, two letters to his nieces and one to his mother-in-law, Ronnie Jean drove to Kathy Kendrick's new place of work. Kathy, if you'll remember, was the woman who'd rebuffed Jean's sexual advances at the FREIGHT COMPANY.

1:07:39 HAVE SOME FLOWERS. I want I want TO GIVE YOU SOME FLOWERS. I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME FLOWERS. TAKE YOUR FLOWERS. GIVE ME SOME FLOWERS. I WANT YOU TO HAVE SOME FLOWERS. BUT Kathy had since gotten a new job as a receptionist at a law firm. So at 10:15 a.m., Ronald Jean Simmons walked into the firm's offices with his revolver. Without saying a word, he strolled up to Cathy's desk while she was answering phones and fatally shot her four times in the head. Sticking to his plan, Ronnie Jean left immediately and drove to Taylor Oil Company, where the owner of the Mini Mart, Rusty Taylor, had his headquarters. tellingly, "Ronnie Jean did not walk inside when faced with a male target and instead shot Rusty Taylor through a window.

1:08:22 He's a [ __ ] He's absolutely a bitch." Yeah. No, absolutely. When Simmons turned to leave, he was confronted by a part-time employee of Taylor Oil named J. Daffen. Jean shot in the head just once, but still fatally. Rusty Taylor, however, survived the attack despite being shot twice in the chest. Yes, thank God I had my Queen Elizabeth coronation plate in my shirt. I knew one day the Queen's grace would save me.

1:08:52 Rusty is short for Rustford. Now, by this point, the local police have been alerted several times over that a maniac wearing a white cowboy hat was rampaging through town.

1:09:03 Yeah, well, call me when he's rampaging to my house. Yeah, I'm all, you know, my shift. I I ain't come back till the second.

1:09:13 You just keep on going. You You just You keep it looking all there. God, we had such a good year with not that many murders. I can't wait for this last week.

1:09:23 28th, boys. We're finally celebrating this town. And we did it right. Good work, boys. Let's start drinking. SOMEBODY ANSWER THAT PHONE THAT'S BEEN RINGING FOR THE LAST 30 MINUTES.

1:09:37 Won't you know? Of course, these guys had no idea who the shooter was or where his next target might be. So, when Ronnie Jean showed up to the miniart to kill his old boss, David Sier, there was no police resistance. Now, David Sier was having coffee with another employee named Roberta and a 71-year-old local named Tony. Again, Ronnie Gene decided to shoot his male target through the window. But David saw Ronnie Jean raise his pistol. And David had enough presence of mind to duck before Simmons took his first shot. Once the gun fired, Roberta immediately tried going for the phone to call the police, but Ronnie Gene was unfortunately a very good shot.

1:10:16 He got her twice, once in the mouth and once in the shoulder. But Roberta thankfully survived. What? But once Robera was down, Simmons turned back to his old boss, David, who grabbed a chair and actually began walking towards SIMMONS WHILE SHOUTING, "GET OUT, YOU SON OF A BITCH." Jean fired again, but the bullet hit the chair and ricocheted off into David's skull. David was down, but he would survive due to the heroic actions of the last man standing at the Mini Mart. That tough old buzzard was a surprisingly tenacious 71-year-old customer, Tony Carter.

1:10:53 You think you're the meanest old [ __ ] bastard in this TOWN BE? NO ONE [ __ ] AROUND IN TONY CARTER SMALL TOWN. TONY. JAMES TONY. This be my right hand himler AND MY LEFT HAND OSWALD. SEE, when David went down, Tony grabbed a six-ack of soda cans and tossed them at Ronnie Jean's head.

1:11:23 Catch this. The sixer missed. So Tony kept grabbing individual cans of soda to throw them at Simmons WHILE SHOUTING, "YOU SON OF A BITCH." OVER AND OVER. is like Simmons was a wild animal that Tony was trying to chase away. LIKE, GET OUT OF HERE.

1:11:37 NOT DR. PIMP. NO. This is apparently the only push back needed because Ronald Jean Simmons could only fire wildly at the old man before he gave up and ran off.

1:11:49 What a [ __ ] [ __ ] Yeah. Again, all it took is a 70-year-old man throwing cans of soda at him. He's like, "Stop it. SOMEBODY THREW JEWELS AT ME. Throwing jewels at me called the army.

1:12:01 And this is the guy that for years been like, if I would have been at the Ted offensive, those Vietkong wouldn't have taken Saigon.

1:12:09 OH MY GOD, HE'S got a dying spray. But since Simmons had worked at the mini mart, Tony recognized him. So he called the police to finally identify the mass shooter terrorizing their small town. Ronnie Gene, however, still had one more score to settle. At long last, he drove to Woodline Motor Freight to murder his old boss, Joyce Butts. After walking to her desk, he shot her in the head and chest, then turned and walked to the back room. Joyce Buts, by the way, also survived. He was met in that back room by another woman that had worked with him at the freight company, but luckily for her, all of Ronnie Jean's scores had been settled.

1:12:49 You know what? I'm tired. I'm tired, boss. Tired, boss. He put one of his pistols down, gave the other to his former coworker, and asked her to call the police. They soon arrived and arrested Simmons without incident just 45 minutes after his last shooting spree began.

1:13:08 Man, he didn't even get [ __ ] lit up or anything. That's what sucks about this. He got exactly what he wanted. He did all He did it all. Yeah,

1:13:15 he lived his dream. Well, you know, he did get lit up with the electric chair. Lethal injection.

1:13:21 God damn it. He wanted it. Just not as satisfying, is it? I mean, thank God though he used a 22 and not like a 38 or something. I think it really did save a lot of these people's lives.

1:13:31 It really did. Yeah. But yeah, he just liked a 22 cuz he's a [ __ ] Yep. I mean, it was the gun you already had, SO HE WASN'T HAPPY.

1:13:40 45 HURTS MY ELBOW. That's too much. Oh, my thumb hurts. Now, while Simmons was arrested at 11:00 a.m., it took until about 3 that afternoon before someone in the local police department finally figured it'd be a good idea to go check in on Ronnie Jean's family.

1:13:58 They're not used to this stuff. They're really not. Yeah. And when the police arrived, they quickly found the five bodies Simmons had left rotting in his trailer. And not too long after, they found all the bodies in the privy as well.

1:14:09 But the motivation behind everything was still a mystery. Ronnie Jean had refused to say anything since being arrested and simply laid in his jail cell staring at the ceiling.

1:14:20 Well, he's a real prick. He's a real prick where he didn't give anybody a single bit of motive or anything.

1:14:28 Yeah, he did. I mean, he mean, but he's like, but you know. Yeah. I mean, the only people Ronald Gene Simmons ever talked to about the murders were his two public defenders who listened to Ronnie Jean's entire story over the course of two days during their initial meeting. But after that, Simmons refused to say anything ever again.

1:14:46 He just said told him what he did. Yeah. You told him what he Yeah. All the information that we really have from like his life is from his family. Like the surviving members of the family.

1:14:56 And Junior's wife. Yeah. And Gene Junior's wife. Yeah. He had decades of practice of not talking to people.

1:15:02 Yeah. He was real good at it. Yeah. And he also knew that not saying anything would drive people [ __ ] crazy, you know? He wanted because it it was more control, you know? He didn't want to control the narrative cuz some of these guys are like that. They they want to control the narrative so they say what they've done. Uh but he wanted to just he knew what would cause the most suffering.

1:15:20 It's his biggest accomplishment. Yeah. It's the only thing he's ever [ __ ] done.

1:15:24 Yep. Yeah. In fact, Simmons refused to cooperate with his defense team at all, even though he still plead not guilty. The defense was left with only a weak argument that the perpetrator of the family massacre was actually Sheila's husband, Dennis McNelte.

1:15:39 Whoa. What the [ __ ] YEAH, COME ON. YOU DON'T HAVE TO THROW him under the bus.

1:15:44 [ __ ] [ __ ] Defenders. Yeah, I know. He was some kind of Asian. We're pretty certain that there was a several group of five Asian mercenaries that have come in here and did their most Asian violence on this white family.

1:15:58 Yes, we all know that Asian McNelte family. Yeah, the the Chinese McNelis, you know that in there downtown China, they have a whole pub section.

1:16:12 They love their Irish people over there. But this defense didn't really do much to defend Ronnie Jean's spree in town on the 28th. Yeah.

1:16:19 The only action Simmons took over the course of his trial was when he told his attorneys to watch out cuz he was about to demonstrate what he called his mitigation neutralizing maneuver. That maneuver simply amounted to Ronnie Jean punching the trials prosecutor in the jaw.

1:16:35 Wow. This however was all a part of the plan. Simmons boasted that his mitigation neutralizing maneuver, which I found are the three hardest words to type in a row that I've ever typed.

1:16:47 Mitigation neutralizing maneuver. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. I don't even like hearing it.

1:16:51 I I And you know what? I hate saying it. I can't believe that he said it. Simmons boasted that this would ensure he got the death penalty. And in this, he was correct. Death was Ronnie Jean's wish because after he was sentenced, he requested that no action be taken to appeal or change the death penalty.

1:17:10 It's truly the epitome of a [ __ ] bastard. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing decent that he did.

1:17:17 Yeah. sort of was die. Yeah. I mean, well, I guess he didn't cost us a lot of money as the American public, but

1:17:23 yeah, that is true. Now, Ronald Jean Simmons obviously wanted to die, but from what it seems like, at least my perspective, his narcissism was so strong that he could never kill himself. He could never bring himself to actually do it.

1:17:35 We thought he was correct. Yeah. He did it all because he thought he was correct and then he was just he was correcting the universe.

1:17:40 Mhm. Well, instead, he had the state do it for him. Bill Clinton himself acting as governor of Arkansas signed the execution warrant. And I, you know, it's I don't know why I find executions signed by, you know, future presidents when they were governor. They're kind of special. Like when like when something's signed by like George W. Bush when he was go like like Carla Fay Tucker's execution order, like that's George W. Bush.

1:18:07 It's like finding out like you went to Wendy's and like the guy like Thomas made the burger.

1:18:12 Yeah. You know what I mean? like that guy made the I even like it when like the failed guy like when like Jeb Bush that's Eileen Wos you know

1:18:19 Oh wow interesting you know Clinton though he not only signed it he also played taps on a saxophone

1:18:25 that was fun I miss him I miss him dead I miss him I want to vote for him again I can't wait for you well after Ronald Jean Simmons had a public battle in the newspapers with a Christian organization that tried to save his life he had to write letters the newspaper saying like, "Tell these people to stop filing appeals for me." I said "No

1:18:49 quit crying for me. I'm sick of your goddamn pity." I love that, man. I mean, but that's good. Annoy him.

1:18:54 Yes. Annoy him always. Go for him. Well, he was finally put to death. I'm sick of all these damn trying to give me cats.

1:19:01 All these [ __ ] in here trying to give me cats and [ __ ] Trying to raise a cat. [ __ ] a cat.

1:19:06 He was finally put to death on June 27th, 1988, which is kind of half Christmas.

1:19:11 Mhm. He was killed just 1 year and 4 months after his conviction, making his death by lethal injection the second fastest in modern history at the time. Right behind double murderer Gary Gilmore. Merry Christmas one and all.

1:19:37 Christmas and we're really getting into the spirit this year. We even got like a Christmas themed episode coming up next week as well.

1:19:44 We do. Next week's episode is a one-off that I am so excited for. Horrifying history. It's like featuring one of the most storied objects in all of uh Christmas history. It's it's s it's a surprising one

1:20:00 and it's really [ __ ] That's the best part is that it's [ __ ] up. Yeah, it's extraordinarily [ __ ]

1:20:07 Santa's sleigh. S L A Y which was a fun movie with starring Goldberg. We watched it together.

1:20:14 That's right. That was when he tucked right and he did the thing where he was with Abhora. I believe that he did that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:22 He's serving [ __ ] this year. I hope you I hope you were nice this year cuz Santa's serving [ __ ]

1:20:30 And you can go get it ON PATREON.COM. WHAT? I thought [ __ ] got coal. NO, NO, NO. He's serving [ __ ] Charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent.

1:20:41 He's serving [ __ ] He's got that busy on fire. Um, thank you guys for watching.

1:20:47 Yeah. patreon.com/lastpodcast on the left is where you can go to watch all of our video episodes as well as watching uh the stream every Tuesday. Last stream on the left. Uh, that is at 6:00 p.m. uh every single Tuesday, 6 p.m. PST. And I I want to thank a listener named Ryan Marchetti who sent me some of the like possibly one of the coolest things I've ever gotten. He sent me pictures of his grandfather from World War II as well as the newsletter that his grandfather's company got during like at the end of World War II.

1:21:22 Like listen to this. It's called Carry On. It's all over in Holland, Denmark, and Northwest Germany. The second great unconditional surrender in the last 5 days was time to take effect an hour ago. 0800 British double summertime. This is incredible. Thank you so much. You really shouldn't have sent me a family heirloom. But man, I love this. That's 90th. 90th finds Reich Gold. ALL THE GOLDEN GERMANY says Reich official.

1:21:47 Amazing. That's a dirty His grandfather's part OF THE DIRTY DOZEN. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S a picture of him standing in front of a swastika that they probably blew up right afterwards.

1:21:55 Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. So, thank you. Thank you. Um, once again, Ryan Maretti for such a cool thing. Yeah. This is his grandfather, Joseph Pit Maretti.

1:22:06 Wow. 90th Infantry, 359th Division, World War II, the tough ombres out of Texas and Oklahoma.

1:22:13 [ __ ] yeah. Well, I hope he comes and sees us on the road. Hit me up if you do. I'd love to meet you. Uh, we're going to be in Philadelphia on January 31st. Austin, Texas, February 28th. Indianapolis, Indiana, March 13th. Cincinnati, Ohio, April 25th. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, May 29th. Grand Rapids, Michigan, June 27th. Tulsa, Oklahoma, July 17th. Oklahoma City, July 18th. These shows are so much fun. We're [ __ ] having a great time. Akan was a blast. We're in Portland this weekend, but I'm pretty sure it's sold out by now. if you might get lucky and snag a ticket. So, go check it out if you want to come out. Um, also I got some standup shows coming up. I'm going to be in Oxnard on January 4th um with a whole bunch of people from the Last Podcast Network and I'm going to be in San Francisco on February 18th. Come and see those shows, please.

1:23:02 Yes. I love it. Thank you, Hail Satan. And I won't I won't kill anybody this Christmas.

1:23:09 I know you won't. You know why? Why? Because I'll be safely, peacefully stoned in my home.

1:23:15 Nice. That's really nice. Just don't [ __ ] Carmelita. Hey. Yeah. No. I let my daughters be free.

1:23:23 Yeah. Oh, yeah. I make my dogs wear pants. Yeah. Cut that down. Cut that. Don't worry about that.

1:23:30 Oh man. Well, hail Steve Craropper, too. He passed away today. I love I love Steve Cropper. Blues Brothers band will never be the same.

1:23:37 That's right. And hail the tough ombres. Yep. Ah, wow. Yeah. and liberating us from the Nazis.

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Who speaks in "Episode 646: Ronald Gene Simmons Part II - To Kill A Bunch of Mockingbirds"?

Marcus Parks (Host), Henry Zebrowski (Host), Ed Larson (Host), Ryan Reynolds (Guest), Evette Gentile (Guest), Rasha Pecoraro (Guest), Scott Aukerman (Guest).

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The discussion focuses on the chilling case of Ronald Gene Simmons, exploring themes of duality in his persona as both a loving family man and a calculated murderer, while delving into the unsettling motivations behind his violent actions. The conversation highlights societal perceptions of masculinity and the complexities of identity, juxtaposed with dark humor.

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