Lovett and Tim Miller React to the ICE Shooting Fallout

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on the recent fallout from a shooting incident involving ICE and the broader implications of law enforcement's actions in Minneapolis, as well as political reactions to immigration policies. Key points include a critique of police tactics and public perception of escalating violence, alongside commentary on various current events, including a focus on Jerome Powell and the Epstein files.

Key takeaways

• In 2023, escapism now competes with doom scrolling; welcome to the modern reality of mental distractions.
• Cars as '4,000 lb missiles'? Next, they'll argue that taunting officers is the same as armed assault.
• When police force behaves like a gang, it's time to redefine authority beyond fragile egos and car chases.
• The irony: innocent taunting leads to a deadly response, yet the real danger lies in the shooters' mentality.
• James Comey's investigation into the Epstein files? Looks like some can dodge consequences while we watch from the sidelines.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Lovett (Host) · 11 min speaking
• Tim Miller (Guest) · 8 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Speech Center, Martin Tim, Renee Mlin Good, Immigration law
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Renee Mlin Good, DOJ, James Comr, Immigration law
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Jerome Powell, James Comr
4. 9:00 – 12:00: Jerome Powell
5. 12:00 – 15:00: Detroit Economic Club
6. 15:00 – 18:00: Detroit Economic Club
7. 18:00 – 18:52: Martin Tim, Speech Center, Broncos

Notable quotes from "Lovett and Tim Miller React to the ICE Shooting Fallout"

• Everybody, welcome back to Speech Center. It's a new year and it's off to quite a start. Tim, this is where I would ask you about the NFL playoffs, but is that even on your mind right now?

  about Martin Tim · at 0:12

• Yeah, I think it's like potentially even kind of worse than it seems. On today's show, we're going to talk about Jerome Pow. We'll talk about the Epstein files and we will talk…

  about Speech Center · at 1:10

• I'm glad he made it out alive. I'm glad he's with his family. They are so unwilling to just say we believe in enforcing our immigration laws and we believe we have great…

  about Immigration law · at 2:32

• The hats off. I this stuff is just unnecessary. What they're trying to do is turn this woman that they killed into a domestic foe into a domestic enemy.

  about Renee Mlin Good · at 3:23

• Meanwhile, as Minneapolis continues to be occupied, James Comr remains occupied with, of course, targeting Donald Trump's enemies through an Epstein files investigation. Here he is being pressed on why the files haven't been.

  about James Comr · at 5:12

• To defend the government against Donald Trump's lawlessness. But I agree with you that the Jerome Powell statement to camera pushing back against about of all things building…

  about Jerome Powell · at 8:08

• So we'll see how see what happens there. All right. Now let's go to Trump at the Detroit Economic Club where he gives another classic detailed explanation of his economic views. We won the popular vote by millions and.

  about Detroit Economic Club · at 12:01

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Martin Tim — Person · Co-host / recurring on-air counterpart · 2 mentions · first at 0:15
  Tim is the on-mic counterpart driving banter and political commentary, especially on Minneapolis/ICE and closing remarks.
• Jerome Powell — Person · Referenced institutional counterweight to Trump · 4 mentions · first at 8:12
  Powell is discussed as resisting a 'sham investigation' and as a symbol of central bank independence under political pressure.
• Renee Mlin Good — Person · Victim referenced in Minneapolis shooting · 2 mentions · first at 1:27
  Her killing is the emotional and factual centerpiece of the Minneapolis/ICE segment; hosts dispute the justification offered by Bevino/ICE defenders.
• James Comr — Person · Referenced investigator/committee figure · 2 mentions · first at 5:15
  He is portrayed as using an Epstein-files investigation to target Trump's enemies and as turning a committee into a political weapon.

Companies & orgs

• DOJ — Company · Key institution controlling Epstein file releases · 1 mention · first at 5:27
  The DOJ is described as withholding/reviewing documents and performing redactions, central to the dispute over why files aren't fully released.
  Discharge petition. The Democrats were unhappy. They said there weren't enough redaction. So now the DOJ is going through trying to make sure they redact everything. President…
• Fox — Company · Referenced media ecosystem · 2 mentions · first at 1:29
  Fox is referenced as the audience being rallied against Renee Good, and implicitly as the platform context for Hannity.
  Of roving commander. Here he is discussing the killing of Renee Good when he was on Sean Hannity. I think he's sitting on a phone book here.
• Broncos — Company · Sports team used for escapism / closing tagline · 2 mentions · first at 0:24
  The Broncos are referenced in NFL playoff talk and as Tim's sign-off ('Go Broncos'), contrasting sports normalcy with political turmoil.
  I do a little escapism. Okay, the Broncos got the Bills next week. but I do have to tell you I was doing a lot of doom scrolling of like man on the street interviews of the jack booted thugs like pushing women to the ground.

Concepts & topics

• Immigration law — Concept · Justification frame for ICE actions · 2 mentions · first at 2:36
  Raised as the policy rationale officials could have used ('we believe in enforcing our immigration laws') while still acknowledging tragedy and limits on force.
• NFL playoffs — Concept · Opening small-talk / escapism motif · 1 mention · first at 0:18
  Serves as a contrast between normal sports escapism and the disturbing political violence content Tim is doomscrolling.
  Center. It's a new year and it's off to quite a start. Tim, this is where I would ask you about the NFL playoffs, but is that even on your mind right now?

Places & events

• Detroit Economic Club — Event · Venue for Trump economic remarks · 2 mentions · first at 12:03
  The event is where Trump delivers a 'classic' explanation of his economic views, used by hosts to critique authoritarian-style economic populism.

Media & podcasts

• Speech Center — Media · Primary show / content container · 3 mentions · first at 0:12
  The transcript is an episode of Speech Center; it frames the discussion topics and includes calls to like/subscribe.
• South Park — Media · Cultural reference for authoritarian behavior · 1 mention · first at 4:48
  Invoked via Cartman to characterize ICE/authority behavior as childish authoritarianism ('respect my authoritah').
  Well, really they're acting kind of like Cartman in South Park. Like you will respect my authoritie. Yeah. it's like what? I this is not what this is about, right? like I'm sorry that your feelings.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 someone there working shouting pedophile protector at him and then he sneaks on him the bird. He like has the tiniest middle finger. He could not possibly have ever pleasured a woman with that finger.

0:10 Tim, I don't think it would ever even have occurred to him to try. Hey everybody, welcome back to Speech Center. It's a new year and it's off to quite a start. Tim, this is where I would ask you about the NFL playoffs, but is that even on your mind right now?

0:22 I do a little escapism. Okay, you know, the Broncos got the Bills next week. Uh, but I do have to tell you I was doing a lot of doom scrolling of like man on the street interviews of the jack booted thugs like pushing women to the ground and shooting them in the face while I was watching the playoffs. It did take a little bit of away from the escapism. I do have to say

0:40 given the amount that we're seeing, I I do think you're getting a sense of what it's actually like to be there by by seeing all of these videos, especially when you in this deeply strange way watch these altercations from multiple angles. You're both skeptical that you're not seeing the whole thing. For starters, when you see these videos, you're also skeptical like is this cherrypicked? Is this the algorithm playing tricks on me? You know, they want to make me mad. But the more I watched them and then the more I kind of went down rabbit holes and heard from people who are actually in Minneapolis,

1:10 yeah, I mean, I think it's like potentially even kind of worse than it seems. On today's show, we're going to talk about Jerome Pow. We'll talk about the Epstein files and we will talk about what is happening in Minneapolis. But first, let's go to Greg Bevino. He is Trump's immigration crackdown zar kind of roving commander. Here he is discussing the killing of Renee Good uh when he was on Sean Hannity. I

1:31 think he's sitting on a phone book here. There is no ambiguity for anyone with eyes to see that the individual that ended up getting shot in this case had been taunting officers along with her partner for an extended period of time. Uh and then you hear uh her partner say to drive. She goes in reverse and right in the path of an officer. Now, is that justified use of force? To me, that it's not even a close call.

1:58 Sean, we call that a means, intent, and opportunity. Did that individual have the intent? Look at those minutes leading up to the shooting. And we will see what I would consider some pretty important intent. Did that individual have the opportunity? Yes. Did that individual take that opportunity? Yes. A 4,000lb missile is not something anyone wants to face, especially in a split-second decision-making process in a very in already inhospitable environment. Hats off to that ICE agent. I'm glad he made it out alive. I'm glad he's with his family. They are so unwilling to just say uh we believe in enforcing our immigration laws and we believe we have great officers but obviously this is a tragic loss of life and there's going to be an investigation and we don't believe in the excessive use of force. There's a host of things he could say and ironically it would have made the incident less important

2:56 because it would have made the interaction uh less of a salient and kind of politically defining confrontation. But no, they want to own this and suggest that that they will defend anyone no matter what they do.

3:12 I hate to focus on the costumeuming. He's directly going for the look of the little Nazi and glorious bastard. It's hard to think that that's unintentional. They want to agitate, right? Like the the hats off. I this this stuff is just unnecessary. What they're trying to do is turn this woman that they killed into a domestic foe into a domestic enemy. Rally people watching Fox against her. Rally them to the side of the guy that shot her through the side window twice after shooting her once through the front window. They don't care if it's preposterous. Like this this idea that like cars are 4,000 lb missiles now.

3:50 It's just it's ridiculous. A car can be very dangerous if someone is aiming it at people and trying to kill them and driving at great speed. But we watched the video. We know uh that it's not a deadly missile because their claim is that he was hit by the car and so he is fine. Did

4:06 he die? He's fine. I forget what happened. I don't believe he died. I think he's okay. And then the idea that they're going to start saying, "Well, she was taunting." If you look at ICE's own materials, you know, they're not saying this publicly, but they're clearly telling their officers behind the scenes that taunting is completely allowed. These are not individuals. When they're they are representatives of the state, and the state is not meant to have an ego. when they are being taunted and mocked and told to [ __ ] off, they're supposed to just take it because the First Amendment protects it and it shouldn't be impacting how they do their jobs because they are not individual agents. They are agents of the state.

4:43 That's the difference between a gang and a police force and they are acting like a gang.

4:47 Well, really they're acting like, you know, kind of like Cartman in South Park. Like you will respect my authoritie. Yeah. You know, it's like what? I this is not what this is about, right? like I'm sorry that your feelings were hurt, you know, like I'm sorry that like you were a little jittery, you know, because like a lesbian had had taunted you and called you big boy, but like you don't get to then to then shoot people three times.

5:12 Meanwhile, as Minneapolis continues to be occupied, James Comr remains occupied with, of course, targeting Donald Trump's enemies uh through an Epstein files investigation. Here he is being pressed on why the files haven't been fully released yet.

5:27 The DOJ has yet to release all the files. Um, what is your plan with that? Do you are you pressing for the release?

5:33 Well, well, first of all, let me say I subpoenaed Pam Bondi. I don't remember Jamie Raskin or Elijah Covenant ever subpoenaing a a Democrat attorney general of their own party. We subpoenaed Pam Bondi for the documents. She started producing the documents. Then Congress voted for the uh the discharge petition. The Democrats were were unhappy. They uh they said there weren't enough redaction. So now the DOJ is going through trying to make sure they redact everything. President Trump is answering your questions about Epstein. He's answered them over and over and over again. Who we haven't heard from is Bill Clinton. And I stated why. The amount of time that that Epstein spent with Clinton while he was president and post presidency. So, I don't think it's it's uh out of line for former President Clinton to come in for a bipartisan subpoena.

6:25 As we're recording this, Bill and Hillary Clinton have put out a letter explaining why they are going to refuse this subpoena. What did you think of that letter?

6:35 Thought it was too long. Um I don't know. And it sounded like sounded like a Bill Clinton convention speech. Right when you thought it was going to be over, you realize he's rounding the corner to the halfway point. Um, you know, look, old dogs can learn new tricks. Jerome Pal's response to the Trump sham investigation against him was great. It's two-minute video straight to camera directly calls Trump what it is. Clinton should testify. I I maybe not in front of COR um because he's a he's a clown and it's a scam, but like they should be cooperating. The bigger story though is and and you know, who knows?

7:07 Maybe things will change by the time this video is even out or maybe things change next week. But as we sit here now, they've just quit releasing the files.

7:15 Yeah. I I like they had an embarrassing batch of files that were released for Trump. And they also said that they had a whole new batch of information that they got in from SDNY

7:24 and they're not they're sitting on it. So I don't I don't know. Maybe they've decided just to sit on it now. The letter from the Clintons is quite long and it does begin with some throat clearing about the ways in which Donald Trump is attacking the government in all kinds of ways. The point that it makes is very good. It's just it doesn't really then tie back to and so therefore we're not going to do this.

7:45 It's like with everything that's going on in the world with the health care thing and the attacks on the government, we're not going to testify. I don't I think the points you're making are so strong. I just don't understand why it leads to this conclusion. I I get the deeper point which is James Comr has decided to turn this uh committee into a weapon of Donald Trump at a time in which the committee should be uh trying to defend the government against Donald Trump's lawlessness. But I agree with you that the the Jerome Powell statement to camera pushing back against about of all things uh building renovations uh was really strong. And obviously what Powell did touched a nerve with Republicans. Here is Trump responding uh to questions about his tactics against Fed Chair Jerome Pal.

8:32 Senator Tom Hill says that the subpoena grand jury subpoena to the Federal Reserve chairman was a little excessive. What do you think about that?

8:41 Well, that's why Tom's not going to be a senator any longer, I guess. Right. But what do you think?

8:45 But I like Tom. He's a nice guy. But look, he's not going to be a senator any longer because of views like that. Uh we have a bad Fed chairman. He's bad in a lot of different ways, but he's bad because his interest rates were too high. And today we had a great inflation report. And today we had a really great growth report. So we have great growth and low inflation. He's building a small He's renovating a small building. It's the most expensive construction job in history and it's only a renovation. I could have done that job for $25 million. They're spending billions and billions of dollars. He either doesn't know what he's doing or it's worse than that.

9:25 And you know what I mean by so hopefully he'll be out of there soon. It was reported that Janine Piro had approved going after Jerome Powell. Powell puts out this statement. Piro appears to have been cowed in some way because she then put out a statement explaining that we're just trying to get information because they're not giving us information. And I didn't say indictment. Jerome Powell said indictment. So clearly something got to her that said, "Hey, this feels like too much and we shouldn't have done this." So but but where where are you and what's happening?

9:51 Yeah, successful win for Jerome Pal. I'm scared of needles and I've never had a tattoo. I've always kind of wanted a tattoo. Do you think the Jerome Powell tattoo is a little much though? Is that like when I when I grow older and look back on that is that kind of feel shortsighted?

10:03 I just think that in terms of sort of tribunes for the saving of American democracy, I'm not saying he can't be on your list. I just got to think there's a few people higher on the list.

10:14 Yeah. I don't know. I just I think it would be funny just to say when people are like, "Who is that? Your grandpa?" It's like, "No, it's chair."

10:20 Look, I he obviously they're backing down. Yeah. And all it takes is, you know, uh folks with a stern backbone and some onions and Jerome Pal did that in this case. And so we'll see how it shakes out. I mean, his terms up in May and uh you know, I'm sure Trump will put some stoogge in there after that and we'll see, you know, how certain of stuff Tom Tillis is made of. I don't think Trump's point just as a point of basic economics. I do think I should say that he wants interest rates to be down. Making the argument that the economy is doing great is not that's not actually a case for lowering interest rates, but I don't know that he's like doing macro macro 101,

10:57 right? Well, he wants like the economy ripping and he doesn't seem to care about inflation. The Powell thing like sort of he's in a good position to be bold. He feels like he first of all can't be fired by Trump. He can stay on even after he's no longer the chair. and he knows that there's enough big-time finance people, corporate people, non-political people, Republicans who are very rightly view this as like a red line on the central bank because they know that when central banks get taken over by the political uh leadership, suddenly you're talking about double-digit inflation and economic crisis that erases the wealth that these people have built, it's the one way in which suddenly very very rich people don't aren't very very rich anymore. So maybe that's part of it. We will see what happens when Trump puts forward a a sort of hack Fed chair. Right now till I don't know what the the ex if he's going

11:53 to back down off of this, but Tillis's position is no Fed votes move forward as long as this investigation is ongoing. Um so we'll see how see what happens there. All right. Now let's go to Trump at the Detroit Economic Club where he gives another classic detailed uh explanation of his economic views. We won the popular vote by millions and millions of Oh, it's so nice to win the popular vote. I won the popular vote all three times, too. We're not going to get into that. Democrats, they say, "I don't know if we should have done Venezuela."

12:27 I don't know. Anybody that says that hates our country. Okay, that was as flawless an attack as there has ever been. You are so lucky I allow you into this room to even be with me. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. The fake news will say will say Donald Trump thinks he's hot stuff. Right now, I'm feeling pretty good though. I will say grocery prices are starting to go rapidly down. Rent is down. Airfares are down. Hotel rates are down. Cell phone prices are down. Even more plans to help bring back affordability. And again, remember that's a fake word by Democrats. Prices were too high. They caused the high price. You ever noticed Joe would always cough before a speech? State of the Union. He gets

13:15 I feel like the setup was pretty good for that last one, but then he didn't really land the impression. That's not what Joe Biden did. That's not how he did. I mean, he often did seem to have to clear his throat. What do you make of what he's been doing the last couple weeks on housing and going after uh housing speculation, on credit card interest, on some of these sort of populist moves? uh you know the whole little we're going to pivot to Elizabeth Warrenism to kind of like a soft Elizabeth Warrenism with uh you know we're going to cap the credit card rates it's all [ __ ] fake you know it's fake and so I I think it does show they've at least accepted that they have a problem on the affordability thing and that's interesting but like he then does it in the authoritarian way it's like he was asked I think yesterday on the plane you know what happens if the credit card companies don't lower their you know

14:00 interest rates to 10% and and Trump's like well they're breaking the law we'll go after them and it's like His decrees are not law,

14:06 right? You know, like there there's process you go through the House and the Senate. Like we don't we don't have a [ __ ] king who just gets to make random decrees about fun populous sounding things.

14:16 Well, capping credit card interest rates and stopping sort of usery credit card rates would be great. You can't do it by fiat and will end up being held up in courts though. He's clearly trying to put these companies in a difficult position where they will announce some concession that he can declare as a win and then kind of run on that which is I think his MMO when doing kind of lawless economic populism. He kind of puts out a statement like this and then uh these companies feel afraid of some sort of regulatory retribution and they come up with some uh announcement.

14:46 Can you imagine if one if your people had did that? This is the thing that actually pisses me off the most about this. all these CEOs like why are they such wusses when it comes to Trump? Had Kla Harris won the election and said that she was going to put by fiat a cap on credit card rates and that the companies had to make concessions to her or else she was going to sick whoever ran the CFTC after them. It would be Armageddon at the Wall Street Journal. They'd be doing special editions, full page things with like pictures of Kamla dressed up as a communist dictator.

15:18 Yeah. I mean, I think there's like two ways to take that. One is obviously we do we want we do not want a president that abuses their authority this way. But the other is that I think a lot of Democrats were way too afraid of being attacked as being, you know, socialist by the Wall Street Journal and their various sort of allies. Uh because one lesson from Trump is you just power through. You know, if there were there were aggressive economic policies that that that Democrats thought we could do legally by executive order, isn't the lesson of the last couple years? If there were 10 things like that, do them all. Do them all in the same [ __ ] day because the everybody will move on and then you'll get the credit.

16:00 I just kind of feel like I turned the, you know, kind of dial like on the back or maybe I pulled the string on the back of Woody from Toy Story and just kind of got you going there.

16:11 I'm angry. I'm angry, Tim. I'm angry. I'm pissed and uh I don't know where to put it.

16:16 Is there something you want to Is there a message you want to send? Yeah, maybe there is, Tim. Because as it has been a bleak start to the year, let's end with this moment in which we were reminded that America continues to be filled with Americans and that will ultimately be our salvation. Because here is a a lovely time that Trump had on his trip to Michigan.

16:42 Tim, well, tell us what we just saw. Pedophile protector, I believe, that uh someone there working um at the auto floor, shouting pedophile protector at him. Pedophile protector,

16:54 and then he he I'm not a lip reader, but he seems to say [ __ ] you to him with like several points.

17:01 And then he sneaks on the the bird. And I could see how you might not have noticed that because he he like has the tiniest middle finger. I mean, he really he could not possibly have ever pleasured a woman with that finger.

17:11 Tim, I don't think it would ever even have occurred to him to try. Don't want to be touched by him. I'll tell you that. Uh certainly not against my willout women had to experience.

17:20 Shout out to the person yelling pedophile protector at this pedophile protector. That it takes

17:26 We salute you to borrow from Tony Dopal speaking of our Secretary of State. We salute you. Yeah, we Yeah, that's right. We salute you, guy that told Trump he's a pedophile protector to his face. That's the America I know and love. That's where the people are. They're out there on the streets of Minneapolis. They're out there yelling at our terrible pedophile protector president. That's a beautiful thing. They can't stop that. And I know that I was in a bad mood today, but that is a reminder of why I ultimately I ultimately am filled with grit and resolve and anger and some sadness

18:00 and the creatine. and the creatine. And the creatine. Uh Tim, uh it's been great to see you. Great to hang with you today. Any final thoughts on this, uh uh rough news week.

18:11 [ __ ] Ice. Go Broncos. Good point, Tim. Now, you have to like, subscribe, and leave a comment. Help us build this channel. Thank you for watching Speech Center. Thank you as always to the Bull Works, Tim Miller. He's out there every day scoring points, isn't he?

18:28 Doing something. He's doing something. We're all doing something. Got to keep our spirits up.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Lovett and Tim Miller React to the ICE Shooting Fallout"?

Lovett (Host), Tim Miller (Guest).

What is "Lovett and Tim Miller React to the ICE Shooting Fallout" about?

The discussion centers on the recent fallout from a shooting incident involving ICE and the broader implications of law enforcement's actions in Minneapolis, as well as political reactions to immigration policies. Key points include a critique of police tactics and public perception of escalating violence, alongside commentary on various current events, including a focus on Jerome Powell and the…

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How long is "Lovett and Tim Miller React to the ICE Shooting Fallout"?

The episode runs 19 min; the transcript is about 3,719 words in 51 timestamped sections.

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