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Ep 584 - The Buzz Man (feat. Marcus King)

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Ep 584 - The Buzz Man (feat. Marcus King)", an episode of Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast published November 4, 2025 (60 min, about 13,316 words). It mentions 15 people, works and ideas, including Zip Recruiter, David Oscar Marcus, Prize Pick, Better Help, Scientology.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Scientology, Darling Blue, David Oscar Marcus, Kenny Loggins
  2. – 10:00: David Oscar Marcus
  3. – 15:00: Zip Recruiter
  4. – 30:00: Prize Pick, Milwaukee Bucks
  5. – 50:00: Better Help, Naples, Florida
  6. – 55:00: Madison, Wisconsin, Syracuse, New York
  7. – 59:41: Austin City Limits, Chris Dave, Corey Henry, David Oscar Marcus

Notable quotes from "Ep 584 - The Buzz Man (feat. Marcus King)"

  • Hey,, welcome, everybody., Marcus, King, what's going on?
    about David Oscar Marcus · at
  • Yeah, there it's he studies from a Scientologist who kind of like just peppers in a little Scientology every now and again on him.
    about Scientology · at
  • What's, a, get, What, do, you, mean, like a get like a naked? You know Kenny Loggins allegedly played live from the, redwoods, to, like a, naked, crowd.
    about Kenny Loggins · at
  • This, episode, is, brought, to, you, by, Zip Recruiter. I'm constantly looking for my keys and my chapstick, my glasses headphones, and charger, etc. I lose.
    about Zip Recruiter · at
  • Or less on their stats, and play for your shot to win up to 2,000 times your cash. Prize picks keeps the game going all year long.
    about Prize Pick · at
  • This is an ad by BetterHelp. Things always seem to get frantic and overwhelming as the end of the year approaches, and the shorter, colder darker days don't help. It can make you.
    about Better Help · at
  • Guys, in terms of shows, I will actually be in Naples, Florida this weekend. Please come out. 1171 118.
    about Naples, Florida · at
  • Yeah,, but, tonight, we're, rehearsing for Austin City Limits. So, we're doing Austin City Limits tomorrow, taping that at the Moody Theater. that'd be a good opportunity for us to play all these songs.
    about Austin City Limits · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • David Oscar Marcus — Person · 3 mentions · first at
  • Kenny Loggins — Person · 1 mention · first at
  • Chris Dave — Person · 1 mention · first at
    The background vocals and finish up this run. Man, I'm going out to LA doing a residency out there with Chris Dave and Corey Henry at the Blue Note. Then off for the holidays.
  • Corey Henry — Person · 1 mention · first at
    This run. Man, I'm going out to LA doing a residency out there with Chris Dave and Corey Henry at the Blue Note. Then off for the holidays.

Books & papers

  • Darling Blue — Book · 1 mention · first at
    No,, that's, awesome,, dude., I'm, [ __ ] stoked for you. So, you just released the album Darling Blue.

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Full transcript with timestamps

The Wild Wild West. Hey,, welcome, everybody., Marcus, King, what's going on? What's, up?

You're, just, telling, me, about, the, big mighty band. Yeah,, we, got, the, whole, crew, coming, down

for, tomorrow. Yeah, that's, awesome., This, should, be, out tomorrow actually.

Yeah,, it's, the, uh, the, noncost, effective group. Yeah. Yeah. The, wall, of, sound.

Got, the, horns,, BGVs,, strings. Dang., So,, you, got, to, move, every, So,, you just fly every single person down for a show? I never really thought about that.

Yeah,, I, think, the, strings, and, the, BGVs are local. Cool., But,, uh,, my, fiddle, player's, coming down from Nashville and my horns are flying in.

That's, awesome. It's, gonna, be, fun. It's, got, to, feel, powerful, to, know, you have a bunch of like what do they call Trump? Not Trump. What is a horn player called? Like a hornist or like a horniest?

Yeah. What, do, they, call, a, I, guess, a trumpeteer? We, just, call, them, horn, players.

Horn, players., There, you, go., My, bad., Show them my [ __ ] ass already. A, saxoponist., My, thing, is, knowing, if, I knew I was like moving brass players through the sky, I would feel pretty powerful about that. You know what I mean?

Yeah,, it's, a, nice, feeling. It's, awesome. All right. Well, I thought it was cool.

It, is, a, nice, feeling. No,, that's, awesome,, dude., I'm, [ __ ] stoked for you. So, you just released the uh the album Darling Blue.

Yeah,, the, album's, out. On, it,, man., I'm, blasting, in, my, house. Good., Thanks.

Yeah,, it's, awesome,, dude., [ __ ], rips. You You might be one of the biggest axemen currently right now

man. Who, I, mean,, who, else, can, shred, like, you? I'm, sure, there's, plenty.

True., I'm, sure, there's, a, lot, of, But,, you know, I mean, I'm I guess Yeah, there's a lot of quiet guys just kind of noodling in their room just like myself. But,

dude,, Billy,, you, you, you, and, Billy, are [ __ ] uh Billy's really playing some some wild stuff.

Yeah,, Billy's, been, studying, like, almost like classical Yeah. style with, his, Scientologist, uh, teacher. Yeah, Billy takes guitar lessons and yeah, there it's he studies from a Scientologist who kind of like just peppers in a little Scientology every now and again on him.

I, mean,, that's, the, way, to, do, it., Like uh, Chikaria, was, a, a, Scientologist

really. And, my, keyboard, player, was, like, a, big Chikaria fan when he went to go see him you know, he said he hit him with a little

just, a, little, dab just, a, little, dab, of, Scientology, at, the end there, you know.

I'm, so, scared, of, I'm, so, scared, of Scientology. Yeah, it freaks me out. Yeah,

I, feel, like, the, better, you, do, in, this industry, like it it's it's kind of looming.

Scientology, it's, around, the, corner. Yeah,, dude., It'd, be, I, don't, know., It would The only thing I would like about it is just kind of making my wife do it with me.

Yeah. Be, kind, of, fun, to, be, like,, "No,, we're scient. She's like really into going to church now." And I could just completely dash her Christian dreams with new world satanism. So that would be that would be pretty nice

dude., Like, what, if, instead, of, all, this being nice stuff, we just became as successful as possible and forgot all this [ __ ]

I, mean, I, should, do, that, actually., Make, her, read [ __ ] science fiction from the 1950s.

Yeah., This, is, what, we're, into, now. True., Get, both, my, daughters, clear,

dude., Yeah,, dude., We're, going, clear., Um, have, you, do, you, know, any, people, have Have you ever been approached with the S or No.

No,, I've, been, asked, about, some, other weird [ __ ] I've just been invited to like uh like gettogethers like out in the redwoods.

I'm, like, I'm, cool. What's, a, get, What, do, you, mean, like, like a get like a like a naked? You know Kenny Loggins allegedly played live from the, redwoods, to, like like, a, naked, crowd.

To, a, naked, crowd? It, could, just, be, folklore,, but, that's what I've heard.

We, call, it, uh, Kenny, Loggins, on, the, road. like me and my keyboard player like you know when you're on the road like food is it's always kind of sporadic what you're putting in your body

and, like, if, you're, drinking, a, lot, too. So like if we're having like solid dumps we're call we call those kitty logggin

but, if, you, if, you're, not, then, it's called the messina. So you're either Logans or Msino on any given day. But

yeah,, my, I, I, can, fly, for, one, day, and, eat one meal if if as soon as I hit the road, instant diarrhea. It's every time. Instant diarrhea. My ass is a mess.

I, have, baby, wipes, in, my, school, bag, that I always forget about. Yeah. And, I, get, home, and, I, like, go, to, I, always I get the check from the comedy club. I give it to my wife and every time I open up for the check, I go, "Fuck, I had baby wipes this whole time."

Right. Could, have, used, those., But, tour, bus, must be crazy. Just a bunch of bros.

Bunch, of, bros., It, starts, smelling, about two days in. It's a It's a weird combo of smells. And you can never really

track, it, down, to, one, person., So,, it's hard to go to somebody and be like "Hey, man. You know, your hygiene's a problem."

Yeah. Cuz, there's, 12, bunks., So,, it's, like, 12 combinations of odor. Just, got, to, walk, by, each, one, and, kind, of

Well,, it, just, kind, of, the, whole collective. Have, you, ever, confronted, somebody, for their hygiene on the bus?

I, have. How, does, that, go?, I, usually, do, it, in, a more of a passive way. I had a keyboard player one time I just bought deodorant for just like, "Hey man, I got you this. You just kind of, you know, lightly approach it."

Yeah., That's, a, That's, how, Yeah., You handled You handled the keyboard player like a teenage daughter kind of.

Yeah. So,, I, got, you, some, deodorant. Yeah. Still, beautiful,, but, you, might, want, to you might want to try this.

Starting, to, funk. That's, kind, of, tight., So,, how's, this, uh how's this run been versus other runs in terms of the tour? Do you ever like get back to a city and just realize like maybe how much you've grown as a person since the last time you've been to a place?

Man,, yeah,, this, tour, has, been, especially like that. We can really feel it. And it and like this half of the year has been mostly like like we were talking about like our B markets like tertiary markets to use an industry term.

Tertiaries, and, I, never, heard, that, one. Tertiary, markets., Tertiaries, B, minus

I, guess, they're, like tertiary., So, nice. Yeah,, Marcus,, we're, going to, put, you, on we're going to be doing mostly tertiary markets. So, uh you know, it's not going to be cost effective for us to do it this way, but we can do

kind, of, just, kind, of, give, you, the, whole rigma roll. Yeah. But,, um, it's, interesting, because, we haven't really done it like this before. We kind of already had a tour planned and then we moved the record release up. So the first leg of the album release tour ended up being only tertiary markets, which is kind of nice because it gives us like six to nine months to build the to build the roll out for like our A+ markets

within, the, same,, you, know,, window, of release. Yeah, which, is, kind, of, cool.

That, makes, sense., And, when, you, say build, what do you mean by build it up? You mean

just, more, time, to, promote, the, shows, and that, that, makes, sense., I, thought, you said like work on the I guess you already have the album done because that's Yeah, it's kind of unfortunately in the tertiary markets a lot a lot of figuring it out.

Yeah, it's, a, lot, of, like, hey, guys, I'm, going, to figure this out in front of you. Sorry. I'm going to do a really good show in Chicago but

Moyes, is, getting, the, crap is, going, to, be, great, man, but, uh Madison, Indiana, you're, going, to, get [ __ ]

no, horn, players, for, you, guys. We're, feeling, some, things, out. Yeah, it's like the no horn players. And a lot of times what I recognize now is like, you know, a lot of dudes bring their wives and their wives are like "Where's Bryley?" which is my wife cuz she sings with us sometimes

and, uh, she, doesn't, come, out, all, the time. Gotcha. But, uh, when, she's, not, there,, I've, seen some some real disappointed lady folks.

Yeah. In, the, crowd. No,, that's, true. With, trucker, hats, just just, waiting, for, it.

Unhappy., Yeah. Have, you, ever, thought, of, just, kind, of like faking them out?

Yeah., just, outside. Put, on, the, dress,, dude. Like,, oh,, she'll, be, right, back,, guys. Hold on a second.

Yeah. No,, Britney, gets, My, wife, gets, uh, she'll go to shows every now she'll get like recognized and it's kind of funny to like see that and see like people like "Britney, what's going on?"

That's, awesome. Yeah,, it's, pretty, cool., I, don't, I, don't know how she feels about it. I think she loves it deep down, but she gets kind of like she's freaked out.

Four, time, WNBA, superstar. Yeah., Yeah,, the, first, three, weeks, of that were really like she was shell shocked cuz she would just she didn't realize neither of us really did how big how like wide that went, how far that went. She would just like go out to get coffee and it' be like four people like WBA.

Yeah,, dude. She'd, be, like that, sports, crowd, is, like, a, whole, other thing man.

I, know when, you, tap, into, that, market, like, those fans are buck wild. It's, Dude,, it's, the, I, would, argue, it's like the biggest thing honestly.

It's, like, a, religion., Like, people, feel really like uh you know okay to like fight about that.

Yeah., Or, just, kind, of, like, I, was, just, at a uh birthday party recently and it was you know there's nothing wrong with it. The guy was just like you must be like an Eagles fan and it it's just so disappointing when you're in a group of dudes somewhere and you go yeah I don't really care. Like I yeah I like support them in spirit but I don't really care to watch it. I don't know anything about it. And you just watch them go

well, [ __ ], man, I, don't, know what, we're going to talk about now. Like sorry, brother.

That's, my, whole, life., Yeah., No, sports. Yeah., Like, uh, especially, like, Bryley's friends or like any of our small town friends like when like I'm sure you've been in a situation where you got to meet other husbands.

Mhm. And, they're, like,, "Yeah,, man., Well,, you know, like uh hurricanes are looking good this year." Yeah.

Or, like, uh, whatever, the, [ __ ], else they're talking about. Um and I'm like I I don't really Yeah, I don't really watch sports, man.

It's, a, bummer,, dude., It's, a, bummer. But, I, try., But, that's, almost, worse, when you try to engage and then they start hitting you with facts that really go over your head.

Yeah. And, then, you, gota, say,, I'm, just bullshitting. Yeah., I'll, I'll, try, to, get, Although, too I feel like in those sports convos you can be like I'll fake the funk too. I'll be like yeah man. I like we won the Super Bowl last year so you know how that is. And then they'll be like they'll be like what do you what do you think? What do you think about the big man? And I'm like damn I don't know who the [ __ ] big man is.

Then, they'll, just, show, my, ass., probably like which who who the big man cuz they're talking about the team I'm supposed to be a fan of. They're not even from the city and I'm like the big man you speak of. Um Donovan McNav perhaps. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's a bummer. I've I've gotten more I' I've like just gotten more upfront with it my lack of sports knowledge and interest. But it it is like you know just disappointing because they're like damn dude we could have like bonded over this. I've tried, you know, my wife walked in one day and I was watching football and I was like actively trying to engage and watch it and she just laughed at me.

She laughed and she's like "What the hell are you doing? Are you watching football?" I was like, "I'm trying to" and I just really didn't enjoy it.

Yeah., I, I, if, it's, on,, like, it's, cool, but I have to be somewhere with someone else and it happens to be on, if that makes sense, then I can watch it. But like to I would feel insane. I think I've tried it too myself. Like I'm going to sit down and watch the game. I'm going to be a real guy. And then I sat down. It's just like

"Oh,, dude,, this, is, so, [ __ ], long, dude. I wish I could do something else right now. It's so [ __ ] boring."

We, watched, the, World, Series, the, other night and that was fun. Our, tour, manager's, from, Toronto,

so, he, had, a, lot,, you, know,, on, the, line and he was very excited and, uh

and, crushed., Yeah,, we, all, really, wanted to see him uh we wanted to see the Blue Jays lose just because we knew he was going to be insufferable if they won. But man, when they lost like it was actually really sad for him and and we all immediately felt bad.

That, was, a, tough, one, for, everybody because people were torn between patriotism and how much everyone hates LA.

Yep. So,, a, lot, of, people, I, talked, to, like, "Fuck the Dodgers. I don't want the [ __ ] Dodgers to win. They would just root pretty much against their country." Yeah, it was it was an interesting

That's, pretty, That's, pretty, true. Everyone I know is kind of like, "Fuck the Dodgers. I'd rather see Canada win."

Not, on, our, bus. Yeah, we, were, rooting, team, USA,, baby. Team, USA., I, can, support, that., I, was again just spineless like usual. I was like, "Oh, yeah. I could see Canada winning." And then like the Dodgers started winning. I'm like, "Oh, that's good, too." But

that's, good,, too. I, I, I'd, never, want, to, empower, Canada. That is true. I do feel that way as well.

No,, me, neither,, man., And, I, feel, like being against the Dodgers as a lot of these guys, the these guys are, I think it's kind of anti-Semitic to be against the Dodgers. So, I think you guys should really think about that.

I, think, your, I, think, your, hatred, of, the Dodgers is really charged by your anti-semitism.

Stop, Asian, hate,, man., You, got, to, support the Dodgers. Um, did, you, do, that, on, purpose?

Yeah, that's, hilarious., Saying, anti-semite, stop Asian hate is very funny. master.

I've, been, I've, been, to, basketball, games. I've been to like I've been to football games and like hockey games.

Um, I, like, hockey, a, little, bit,, but, like when I'm at the game, like at a basketball game, I'm like I'm really I'm going to get into this. I'm a basketball guy now

and, then, it, just, never, sticks. No., As, soon, as, Well,, dude,, I, like, I think Nate, you probably you check stats and [ __ ]

Yeah., See,, that's, where, like, I'm, gone., I like I can watch I have friends that are like I thought the same thing. I'm going to start watching. I'm going to follow. He's like, I just see him like googling stats from all the players. I'm like bro what?

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Yeah. You, you, could, get, through, you, could, chat enough where you' be like, "Yo, you see that catch Steelers?

See, that, one, catch?", And, like, you, let them fill in the blanks and be like "No, I didn't. I only saw the clip of the catch. I didn't see the

Yeah. Or, just, get, really, into, sports gambling." Oh,, yeah., Right. That, could, that'll, help, you, pay attention.

Yeah., Just, get, really, deep, into gambling. That was the one time I've ever been able to pay attention when I tried to become a bookie in college. And I actually, you know, even then I didn't watch the games. I did one game and I'm like, I see the Allore. This is great. And, then, I, was, like,, all right,, I'm going to check my voicemail later and see. And people Yeah. They took advantage of the fact I wasn't watching because they kept just being like double down, double down, double down. And eventually I was like, [ __ ]

it, would, hit. I, never, got, into, gambling,, man., I, was, I I've been pretty much addicted to everything else. But

but, gambling. But, gambling., Yeah,, that's, a, good, one though. Gambling is the one that really kind of can get you. And it's also like I would say it's the lamest addiction. Drugs is like there is kind of like a [ __ ]

It's, kind, of, sick, on, some, level, right? It, can, kill, you., It's, very, dangerous.

Yeah. Sex kind, of, sick, as, well. Hell, yeah. Gambling, is, just, pathetic, when, you're like, I just thought these guys would win and now everything's ruined.

My, life's, ruined. It's interesting to be addicted to something that takes like a little bit of skill and like knowledge and like a little bit of planning.

True. Which, I, guess, drug, use, takes, a, little planning as well. Yeah. But, I, was, always, addicted, to, things, that allowed me to let go of everything and not feel anything.

Well,, apparently, I, and, the, more, I've read about it, gambling does do that for some people. For me, it's just I just have anxiety the whole time until I either win and become euphoric or lose and feel like a loser. But there's people with gambling who like it's more so just that time in between like hands or like during the game where they get into a flow state where it's just like it's not even from what I've heard about it. It's like it's not even about winning or losing. It's about you're just kind of like you're fully on while you don't know what's going to happen and they get addicted to that feeling.

Wow. Yeah., It's, kind, of, [ __ ], up., But, still lame. Still a lame way to go out.

It's, pretty, lame., But, I, think, I, I, think the lamest would be uh I was uh I had a problem with laxatives. What?

Yeah., And, then, I, realized, like, a, doctor was tell a doctor told me that like it's a form of like bulimia.

Yeah. Cuz, I, I, I, did, like, when, I, was, like, 19, 20 like I used to throw up all my meals and stuff.

Okay. It, was, a, it, was, a, shitty, time, but, then like I started taking laxatives which is like a different form of it I guess.

Yeah., I, would, say, the, better. Yeah., I, would, say, it's, it's, a, better it's an improvement.

How'd, you, get, busted, with, a, lax? Dude,, I, [ __ ], my, pants, in, Japan. Damn.

I, just, got, like, completely, hammered drunk and like one sneeze sent me over the edge

at, my, drummer's, birthday, dinner., I, was like So, you, were, drinking, on, the, Lax?

Yeah,, I, was, drinking, on, the, Lax., We, had gotten to Japan and like you know, we had this great big dinner and I was like just got completely hammered and like, you know, I was speaking the little bit of Japanese I know and just being really loud.

[ __ ] And, uh, yeah,, well,, it's, just, really funny to think of a restaurant full of like old Japanese people being like, you know, they're probably [ __ ] talking to Americans like they're so unruly and like, oh, they're fine. And then you stand up to give a speech and shoot your parents. just hammered.

Yeah,, it, was, me., I, was What, did, you, uh, what', you, do?, How'd, you like how' you Because it's tough. It's one thing if you [ __ ] your pants when you're sober, you're kind of tactical about it. When you're drunk, it's like

it's, a, tough, you're, on, your, back, foot for sure. I'll, say, like, I, thought, I, could, save, it. You know, I went I went to the bathroom and like I was like, you know, the box of briefs are done for us. So they they went in the garbage and then I went back and I I mean we were having dinner at the hotel we were staying in. You know

I, could, have, called, it, a, night, but I went back to the dinner. I sat down again and like started drinking more and raging more and then I [ __ ] my pants again.

No., No. And, then, I, was, like, all, right, there's first, time, you, [ __ ], your, you, [ __ ], your underwear the first time. Yeah.

Then, he, finally, shhat, your, pants. Oh, my, god,, dude. And, once, that, happens,, you, just, got, to you got to call it a night. And uh my boy my boy Kyle walked me back up to the room and I was just like, you know, when you're drunk, you know, everything's a lot bigger. And I was like I've always been wanted to kind of like get ahead of the story. So I was walking through the lobby like, "Hey, how's everybody doing? I [ __ ] my pants." I was just but nobody spoke English and they were and I was just yelling in people's faces.

But it's probably good that I quit drinking. Yeah,, I, would, say., How, long, did, you, How long did you drink for?

Dude,, like, my, whole, life,, man., I, started drinking and smoking when I was like 11.

Yeah. And, uh, you, know,, it, was, just, like, part of the biz for me. But I feel a lot better without it. I still encourage people to get drunk around me.

Yeah,, true., Because, Dr., was, always, this thing to like lower that like um you know

inhibitions. Yeah., Oh, you, lower, theirs., That's, actually, kind of nice. Everybody, else, does, it, and, then, you're just kind of you know

Yeah., You, look, at, these, drunk, idiots. Yeah. It's, kind, of, nice, actually., Yeah., That's uh that's kind of nice. So you tell everyone like Yeah. Cuz that's I guess if you don't drink I Yeah. I would worry people are like not drinking on my account. It's like Yeah. You want people to live their lives.

That's, the, worst. Yeah., That's, I, would, do, that., And, I would if I know someone sober, I like won't drink on purpose and I Yeah, it's like an uncomfortable thing, but I I've I knew someone before who did that where I was like all prepared to have like a super sober weekend with them and they just [ __ ] got after it and I was like,, "Oh, [ __ ], all right., This, isn't good."

Yeah., But turned, out, not, to, be. It's, always, a, It's, a, good, feeling, when that tide really turns though and you and you do lock in and you start

and, you, start, drinking. Oh,, when, you, say That's, a, fun, feeling, when, you, just, say, "Fuck it."

Yeah. I, did, that, with, Burke, Chryser, one, time. just got hammered. I, just, got, hammered., Like, I, fell, off, the wagon uh after like a ninemonth stint. I fell off the wagon in San Diego and then I went up um and I had the bird cast the next day and I was I was hung over when I got to Bert's house and it was the first time he and I had met. So this is a couple years ago. And when I walked in, we just immediately just locked in you know?

Yeah. He, he, was, like, starting, a, sober, journey. I was hung over. I was like, I'm hurting. And then we just we really got after it. And if you if you watch that

so, sick, you, knocked, him, off, his, wagon. We, knocked, each, other, off. And, we, were, both, waiting, around, in, the deep end. And then the next day I had to speak at a Sober Nation event.

Oh,, how'd, that, feel? It, felt, really, bad. So, that's, so, funny., So, you, released sober for Sober Nation now.

I, was, hung, over. Oh. And, I, had, to, speak, at, this, like, panel. this discussion about sobriety and music.

How, did, you, handle, that, one? I, just, had, to, be, honest., I, you, know, yeah,, I, [ __ ], up.

First, thing, I, said, was, like,, you, know, the thing about the wagon is you fall off the wagon, you get back on, you know, which was true. And I I really I really had to finesse that because I I felt a little judgment. Um

Yeah,, bet. My, management, was, uh, they, were, pretty terrified, horrified. They didn't really want me to do it. And uh

I, was, like,, "Look,, no,, I, got, this.", Cuz really, that is the thing about sobriety that I think scares a lot of people about it. Like

I, think, one, day, a, sobriety, is, just, as good as 10 years cuz you're just as close to [ __ ] it up.

Yeah,, true. It, doesn't, really, matter, dude., I've, been, I, mean,, it's, you, know, obviously not the same. I've been trying to get off of coffee and that was like [ __ ] I was I can like take or leave drinking. I whatever. Coffee was one like it's so [ __ ] hard. Caffeine in general, it's so hard to get off of that.

Yeah., So,, like, you're, saying,, the, longer I go, the more likely I am to be like I'm, going to, have, a, [ __ ], cup, of coffee, dude. That shit's not a big deal. I'll get better.

And, uh, and, again,, it's, not, like drinking. But it's just tough, man. I don't like how people quit heroin. I'm like, how? It's impossible.

Yeah, I, can, hardly, quit, caffeine., I'm, like, how how do you quit heroin? That's, one, that, I, never, got, after,, but

that's, good. I, think, I'd, really, like, it. Yeah,, probably, be, [ __ ], sick.

Yeah, be, [ __ ], awesome,, dude., I, got, family members that got into the opiates and they said it's pretty great.

Yeah. But, they, also, said, makes, you, a, little constipated. Yes. And, I, said,

"You, got, the, cure, for, that? Can't, do, that." You, got, the, cure. I, do, have, the, cure., I, guess, I, could supplement that. Yeah.

Yeah., A, lot, of, people, too., A, lot, of opiate people got in. Meth made a big like it rose in the East Coast pretty hard with following the heroin.

Yeah. So,, a, lot, of, people, I, knew, who, got, into the opiates, the meth came around like late opiate addiction. That was kind of interesting.

What's, funny, about, meth, is, like, like, my dad, he was he's a he's a boomer generation guy. So

like, in, the, 80s,, meth, was, u, more, like casually used. Yeah. You, know,, and he would just like casually do meth.

Now, they, snorting., Okay. When, you, start, smoking, it,, that's, the problem. And like I actually have a friend in Georgia and her aunt, aunt Patty, she's the [ __ ] And uh she's like a massive kid rock fan. She's so awesome. And uh she has like 15 Instagram accounts and she just like sick

cuz, she, forgets, her, password, and, she just makes a new one and, she, signs, everything, Aunt, Patty, or Patty Poo. But she's like, "Man, I wake up in the morning, do a line, clean the house. It's like recreational. It's sick."

As, long, as, you, snort, it, though. Yeah., Oh, wow., I, thought, it, I, thought, it burned really badly when you snorted it.

I, mean,, ketamine, burns, pretty, bad, when you snort it. What, is ketamine? Okay,

that, burnt, pretty, bad. I'm, just, a, giant, [ __ ], I'm, over, here talking about quitting caffeine. It's like, yeah, I hear you about sobriety. I've quit caffeine for 4 days.

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Surprise. Run, your, game. Yeah. So,, when, did, when, did, you, like because I I started drinking pretty early and then but like when did it like it never kind of got away from you. When did it start to like where you were like this is fully getting away from me? Was it like an everyday all day thing or just kind of like when you did drink it was a disaster? Yeah, I think I think too like it was in combination with like anti-depressants and u benzoazipan.

Oh, boy. So, like, in, in, combination, with, those other drugs and then I just enjoyed drinking. So that's where I really started enjoying like cocaine because

it, just, resets, just, brings, you, back but, it's, fake. Yeah., Yeah. And, then, you, keep, drinking, and, then, you can do that like two or three times in an evening until you just can't anymore and you're like pissing yourself drunk.

Yeah. And, then, like, 6:00, or, 7, in, the, morning comes around and somebody has to take care of you.

Um, and, you, know, I, did, that, for, a, while and I think that the thing that really well like meeting my wife was really the thing that motivated me to um change it up. But even then like I thought that I could drink like a gentleman, you know?

Yeah. So, I, tried, to, do, that, for, like tried, like, a, different, glass, and, like

Yeah., I, was, like, I, can, have, a, nice, glass of whiskey and then that would always turn into like, you know, 18 beers.

Um and I just, you know, I thought I'm happy now. I can drink, but it just there's something deep in me, something deeply rooted that just wants it to go completely off the rails.

Mhm. Get, tore, out, the, frame., Yeah,, that, makes sense. So after Yeah, I see what you're saying. So you pretty much have a couple drinks and this the train starts [ __ ] rolling., It's, like,, all right.

Yeah., Once, I, break, the, seal,, man,, I'm ready to go for like two or three days.

Yeah. It's, kind, of, sick,, though. Yeah., I, mean,, it, was, fun. That's, the, other, thing,, too,, is, like, I had a good time.

Yeah,, it, was, fun. I, had, a, lot, of, good, times., I, had, a, lot of bad times, but like those few bad times were bad enough to uh, you know outweigh the good times, I Yeah. Well also too, I feel like there's a thing with aging where it's like it is fun and then the older you get, you're like dude, like I I have to either fully pursue this and become like an old drinker or just like stop basically or like really lighten it down. Like I really I I don't even like like drinking that much anymore. Like I it's it's like obviously I do like if you give me three drinks I I'm like I love this.

Yeah. Put, me, out, in, the, sunlight, on, the, beach, I'm like this is amazing. But like just like as a daily or even like a semi-frequent thing, it's just like dude, after you stop for a while and you start again

you, really, feel, shitty., Even, after, only like three or four drinks, the next day I'm just like gh

Yeah. feel, terrible. And, like, three, or, four, drinks, and knowing, I'm, going to, feel, bad., Like that's just

Exactly., It's, kind, of, the, worst., You might as well not do it. Or, I, might, as, well, just, really, do, it.

Dial, in., Yeah. Getting, on, and, off, the, It, would, be, nice to hire like a team of people who could really manage getting off and on the wagon.

Just, stay, with, you, at, every, moment., and like pull you down. Yeah. Soon, as, you, grab, Coke,, they're, like smack it out of your hand.

Yeah., Or, they, test, it. Yeah., Yeah., Test, it, for, you., Calling hookers. They like, "Ma'am, he's drunk right now. He can't just hang up. Thank you team.

Thank, you.", Like, take, your, phone, from you. Then, at, that, point,, it, wouldn't, even, be fun.

I, know, cuz, it, is, like, like, you, said about the gambling. It's like the danger element of it.

Yeah. It's, like, this, guy's, got, a, bag, of, heat that might kill me. Yeah., Um, or, it, might, be, a, good, night.

Might, have, baby, laxative, in, it,, which Yeah,, that's, a, big, thing, in, Coke., A, lot of laxative in Coke.

A lot, of, laxative, in, Coke., Is that, how, you, got, into, the, lax?, Maybe.

Maybe. Maybe. You, were, chasing, the, the, dragon, lax, with the Coke. The, lax, dragon.

The, lax, dragon. It, always, made, me, laugh., The, coke,, the baby laxative in Coke was always so funny cuz I knew guys who [ __ ] themselves to work from Coke. They'd be like "Ah, the [ __ ] [ __ ] baby laxative." They would go buy more Coke that day. I'm like, "Bro, slow it down."

Yeah., I, mean,, that's, that's, when, it really got off the rails for me. I had a guy in Nashville that sold vintage clothing and sold cocaine.

It's, hilarious. It, was, like, two, of, my, favorite, things. Yeah., True. And, um, you, know,, he, was, hooking, me, up with like really pure stuff

and, that's, when, it, got, to, where, I, was like I, would, keep, a, little, corner, of, a, bag, to get me going the next day if I had meetings or writing sessions and stuff.

And, that, was, no, good., Um, couldn't, even, use, that, like, a, gentleman. No,, I, couldn't.

I've, talked, to, people, who, try, to, claim Coke gentlemen and I've I've yet to see it.

I've, seen, it. You've, seen, Coke? I've, seen, it, go, down, and, I, always thought that I could do it. Like they have like the nice like like silver platters with like lines and they're drinking wine and listening to like records and [ __ ]

And, uh, I, was, always, really, into, that idea. Yeah, it, looks, very, charming., But, um

it, would, always, turn, into, like, three, four guys in a bathroom huddle huddle around a toilet.

You, see, the, [ __ ], Chargers, game? Yeah., Talk, about, sports, snorting, Coke.

Yeah., I've, heard, people, try, to, say, that like Well, actually in like Colia they like don't even use coffee. They just do like a little bit of Coke every morning.

Mhm. It's, just, like, how's, that, going? Well,, they, chew, on, it. Yeah., The, leaves., Yeah., But, it's, it's kind of like and like in this business especially like in the arts community like you recognize like wealthy people there's like like super lowbrow folks like do drugs and smoke cigarettes and then middle class like kind of

boycots, that, whole, lifestyle, and, then the upper esh they do it too. Oh, yeah., You, know,, people, are, That, was what I was really surprised by was like the amount of people doing casual coke and people smoking sigs. I still rip sigs, but

Yeah. You, know. Yeah., I, mean,, the, caffeine, sig, combo, is the It's, the, best.

Yeah., Kind, of., You, can, really, get, by, on that honestly. That's, what, that's, that's, me, right, now.

Yeah., I, was, a, big, nicotine, caffeine, guy before I gave both up four days ago.

But,, uh,, I, fell,, man., I, fell, to, the little those little thing, not the pouches, the like little they were like a tablet that dissolve.

Oh, yeah. Yeah., I, would, do, them,, but, I, have, such, a sensitive system. I would have like a coffee and then I sometimes those nicotine tablets would turn on me and it's just like the head rush from too much nicotine too fast is like

Yeah. I'm, again, I'm, just, being, a, giant, [ __ ] right now. But those, those, Zen, just, give, me, hiccups.

Do, they?, Yeah., Oh, yeah., No,, I, almost threw up in front of my family. I was walking I was we were at the airport. I was with Sean and I was just trying to be a bad I just started doing the little nicotine tabs and I'll be honest I felt

so, [ __ ], cool. Like, when, I, was, doing, like, you, know, like when you're a kid you're like sigs are [ __ ] cool.

I, had, the, nicotine, pouch, and, I, just something about keeping something in your bottom lip just strikes me as so macho.

Yeah. And, I, was, so, happy, to, be, like, dude, this is sick. I'm with my kids with Sean walking through the airport with my thing sticking out of my lip. And then uh we got to baggage claim and I was like, and, I, almost, [ __ ], found, I, had to take it out and threw it on the ground. I was like, Sean, I'm about to throw the [ __ ] out, dude.

That's, tight. Yeah,, I'm, a, giant, [ __ ], But but, yeah,, there, there, is, something, to, it though, man, of like cuz I do have that just desire to constantly time like minuscule alter my consciousness. I always want to do something like and I've noticed it when I

without, like, caffeine, now, I'm, kind, of like I should have one drink before bed. Like there's always some kind of [ __ ] that I want to do like just even a little bit, the, mushroom, micro, doses., So, I've been trying to just like Same.

Oh,, yeah., Which, I'm, not, against, him, at all, but there is something in my head where I'm like, I should get a little bit [ __ ] up today.

Now,, me, and, my, dad, talk, about, it, all, the time cuz my dad's like that. Yeah.

And, like, he, just, he, really, especially like going before playing a show. He's like,

I, don't, know, what, to, do, cuz, I, need something Yeah. to, alter, my, state, of, mind, before, I, go and do this. I just want to feel good. Yeah. Because especially he's got like arthritis and like

he's, like, just, he's, 72, so, he's, tired. He's like he's aging and, he, he, doesn't, like, it, and, he, wants to feel something.

Yeah. So, he's, like, yeah, you, know, I'll, have like maybe I could do like one drink. I'm like it's probably not a good idea.

He's, like, this, guy, wanted, to, give, me, a Jagger bomb. You think that would be good? I was like no. I try I try to get him to do that.

Who, is, this, guy, by, the, way?, Yeah. Who's, this, guy, being, like,, "Hey, 70-year-old, here's a younger boy."

I, know,, man., That's, what, I'm, saying. Like, people have like no inhibitions. Yeah.

When, they're, like, getting, [ __ ], up, they want to drag somebody else down.

172-y, old, man,, that's, lowhanging, fruit. Even, with, the, bomb, I'm, going, bring, this, guy, down, with, me.

Oh,, that's, crazy., Yeah., My, my, dad, quit drinking when I was probably in like fourth or fifth grade, and I remember but he Dude, he would drink like 60 ounces of coffee a day. not exaggerating. He would drink two 24s and then a 16. And I remember asking him like, "Dude, like what's up with him?" Cuz I would like go to work with him and try to even drink one 24 oz cup and I you know, I'd be [ __ ] spinning out. And I'm like "Why do you drink so much coffee?" And he was like, "Dude, I quit drinking. You got to abuse something man." He's like "You got to He just held it down like that. Now he's he's like slow. He had some atrial fibrillation, so he chilled.

He, doesn't, do, as, much, coffee,, but, now it's just like four cigars a day. He's, got, to, He's, just, got, to, get, He's addicted to the buzz. I might be I'm a bit of a buzz man myself. I just need I just want the buzz. I don't want to get super [ __ ] up, but I do need the buzz.

Bit, of, a, buzz, man, myself. Bit, of, a, Buzz, Aldron. Was, it, I, can't, remember, if, it, was, you, or your brother that said uh one of my favorite quotes of all time I think was from your dad was like, "I need you from the neck down."

That's, my, dad, hit, me, with, that. That's, so, tight. Such, a, [ __ ] That's, a, great, line, though.

Yeah., I, was, working, I, was, working demolition with him and I was like trying to give cuz like eventually I went to college, I became a man. I was still doing demolition with him.

Yeah. I, was, like, "What, if, we, did, this?", And yeah, he hit me with, "I just need you from the neck down today, bud. I don't need any thoughts from you. I need you to move those rocks from A to B."

That's, so, good. That's, too, good. Yeah., He, [ __ ], killed, me. Yeah. That was I really loved working with him though because I was so bad at that kind of like I was demolition was okay because it doesn't take as much like it's not carpentry where I got to like know line stuff up but there is just something really fun cuz I would always be like I talked about it in my first special I'd be just like so stoned at work with my dad and we'd be like in like a trench down in like the ground was like in like the dirt and I would just like be high like damn this is so sick me and my dad are 5 feet underground right now. This is [ __ ] so tight.

That's, awesome. It, was, tight., He, every, chance, he, got, he'd be like, "Bro, you got to figure something. This is not this kind of work is not for you." And I'd be like, "Right on, right on

right, on." He, could, tell, I, was, kind, of, a, space cadet. Yeah., I'm, trying, to, get, my, dad, on, like like my my pre-show buzz is like I'll smoke a joint. I call it a Carolina Speedball. Smoke a joint and drink like two Red Bulls.

Sugar-free, Red, Bulls., And, then, because like my anxiety, my stage fright, all that is like, "You're tired. you should go to bed. That's really that's what my anxiety does to me. Like right before I have to do something important

it's, like, no,, you're, actually, really tired cuz it's like a defense mechanism. It's a fight orflight kind of thing.

So,, I, supplement, that, with, like, Red, Bull and, it's, not, the, best., But, again,, to your point, you know, I got to abuse something.

Yeah., Well,, I, dude, I, here's, my, thing. I've I've tried I had big dreams of being like cup of coffee, hit the stage kind of guy. Panic attack.

You, had, a, panic, attack? Oh,, big, time., I've, had, them, I've, had like 50 on stage, but this was a

this, was, a, big, one, where, I, was, like, "Oh, my, I, was, telling, me, me, and, Nate, were this is kind of cracking me up, but uh slightly unrelated, but last week we were in Tulsa and um one of our friends out there gave us some really nice weed that he had grown. It was [ __ ] phenomenal." So, we did the shows cuz I know enough because if I if I get high before I do standup is there just like so many words involved, it's like a nightmare for me to get stoned. But we did the we we did the shows and we're going to do the meet and greet after the show. So after the second show, we smoked this guy left his baseball bat of a joint.

We, smoked, half, of, it, and, we, started doing the meet and greet and I I was so high that I almost pulled the plug on the meet and greet, which would have been a total disaster

to, get, like, seven, people, in, to, have, like 30 people left and be like, "Guys, I'm sorry. I'm too [ __ ] high. I got to get, out, of here.", Or, just, like, make, up some [ __ ]

Yeah, dude., There's, pictures., I, have, a, picture of my phone. It's It's my eyes are crazy just like But yeah, that was uh I was talking to my friend Delcalo and he's like, "You should, have just, stopped, every, single person, shook their hand, and be like "Sorry, I'm canceling the meet and greet. I'm too high."

Oh,, John, Delo. Yeah., Yeah. He's, [ __ ], hilarious. He's, so, funny. He's, actually, here., He's, here, right, now. But the uh Yeah, that was

Yeah., For, me,, I'll, I, used, to, when, I asked you earlier about the um go to different cities and you're like, "Wow years have passed and I just feel like a different person." I had that in Buffalo. The first one of the first headlining things I did was in Buffalo just an absolute nervous wreck of being like, I shouldn't be here. This is [ __ ] up. I'm going to [ __ ] this up. I'm going to ruin. It was just non-stop. And then I got there this year and I just felt great and I was like, damn, I was [ __ ] up. I didn't realize how [ __ ] I was like three years ago. It's pretty cool.

It's, fun, when, you, go, to, a, new, city, and you know, you can feel that growth.

Yeah. Um, Yeah., But, I, was, too, high, on, stage, the other night actually. You, got, two, stoned

in, Little, Rock. No., Yeah., And, it, was, Halloween, so, I, was dressed like an [ __ ] and I was too high and I saw a video on myself and I was just looking at my eyes and like but on stage what was happening was like I get so high that I have like this like outer body you know like you know I can kind of see what's happening like and then I'll come back to it and I'm like I'm singing right now.

That's, wild. I'm, singing., I'm, yelling, at, these people. Dang. Threw, a, microon., It's, crazy.

Do, you, So,, is, that, a, good, Do, you, feel good when you go out of body like that or is that Okay. I was going to say

it's, not I, I've, done, that, during, standup, and, I'm like I I'm glad you enjoy that cuz I don't like that at all when I completely leave my body and I'm speaking in my brain. I can hear other words in my brain.

It's, not, good. No., That's, why, I, can't, I, can't, smoke weed to do standup. I can maybe a little bit, but if it's like a like a show where I've sold tickets or anything it's like I I cuz I would like when people would happen to me is like I would I used to be I wanted to be one of those guys, too. Like get blazed and go do standup and like people would laugh and while people were laughing, I would just like almost forget what I was doing. I'd be like

"All, right,, I, have, to, keep, talking, now. This is weird. I'm eliciting this like primal response from them. It's just not It's not good." I was thinking about it last night like actually playing a show like because you know when I'm playing I I work really hard to try to be as present as possible and try to be in the moment as I can but sometimes you just can't help but like have outside thoughts that come in.

It's, like, transcendental, meditation., You got to just try to find your your, happy, place, again. But one of my thoughts last night was like how willing I am to believe that somebody would buy a ticket just to come and stand in the front row and laugh at me,

you, know? So, that, was, a, that, was, that, just, that was a brain. You had a brain worm.

Had, a, brain, worm. Little, RFK,, man. It, slipped, in, there, and, it, was, like these guys are laughing at you right now.

What? I, don't, know, why, it, came, into, my, brain, but it got in there and I was like I just battled that. But I was like, "Nah there's no way they're laughing at me."

That, would, be, I, would, never, even, think it for a second. Yeah,, it's, really, weird.

No,, I, get, it, though,, dude., Well,, I, mean, with m at least with music, it's like people can talk while you're playing. You're not like expecting them staring ahead silently.

With, standup,, if, I, see, someone, even whisper to their friend, I'm like they, hate, me.

It's, all, over. And, it's, like, I'm, watching, it, go, down. or I'll see people's faces and I'm like cuz if someone if you're playing music and someone's just staring normal, are you like what the [ __ ] Why is that person not smiling or anything? Or you just play?

I, mean,, we, played, a, festival, the, other day. It was like the worst crowd of the of the whole tour

really. Um, we, were, on, like, right, before, Riley Green and Riley Green has a pretty specific fan base and everybody in like the, you know, the VIP pit. It's the worst when they have like the VIP pit and then the gas is in the back

cuz, like, all, my, people, are, back, there. Yeah., Yeah. Because, they're, like, we're, spending, $30 for a ticket

you, know?, Like, we're, not, headlining, so, I get it. All my people are back there. So I'm trying to keep that in mind, but everybody up here just doesn't give a [ __ ] so hard that it's it's you know offensive.

Yeah,, that, sucks., People, are, like leaning on the rail like texting or like scrolling on Instagram and like I'm just watching these people just like yawning and just like sitting down and like talking to each other like full volume to talk over what I'm doing.

But, um that, pissed, me, off. But, the, ASL, lady, was, like, super, into, it at that festival and that kept me going.

Oh,, you, had, a, sign, language, lady, there? Yeah,, she, was, rocking. What? Mhm.

She, was, doing, your, lyrics. Yeah, that's, kind, of, nice., I, just, never thought about that.

It's, always, fun, to, watch., But, we, did like a last minute set list change and I wanted to go ask her like what she did for that cuz we added a song to the set that we didn't like brief her about.

She, was, able, to, kind, of, let, it, fly like, on, the, fly, like, what, is, she, saying? Like is she is she saying it like

like, after, I, say, it,, she, says, it, cuz obviously she can't do it at the same time. Yeah, true.

Cuz, I, didn't, tell, her, this, song. So, like, is, she, kind, of, like, bullshitting the the folks in the crowd? She's like "He's saying this right now, but I actually said it on the last verse."

Dude,, I, can't, get, over, the, thought, of just a guy going to one of your shows and in the middle just being like

"Yeah, and, laughing.", That'd, be, crazy. Yeah., Laughing. That'd, be, crazy. It, is, crazy.

That's, all, I, want., I, would, love, That's It's funny. Your worst nightmare. I'm going like, "Dude, that's my best case scenario." Like, "This guy's a [ __ ] dumbass."

And, just, laughing, at, me., So,, I'm, like, "Perfect." Yeah, that's, funny., Well,, I, would, say, I've like I've talked to people who do music and they're like, I don't know standup's, harder., And, I, don't know., I've played music before live and it's like getting the instant feedback with standup helps big time, but like that was my big thing. You've done a song and you're like

I, don't, know, if, they, I'm, like, I, don't know if, people, like, this, or, not., That like kind of [ __ ] me up.

We, try, to, we, try, to, do, our, set, like where there's not any dead space. Yeah.

There's, no, mo, no, moment, for, a, lull. Yeah., Yeah, cuz, that's, the, part, where, you, start, to feel any kind of hesitation.

Yeah., Like, how, do, you, battle, through that? Again, with standup, it's like you get laughs or you don't. So, it's very clear. You're like, I'm doing great. I'm doing bad, whatever. But yeah, with music, it was just kind of people just like staring at you, talking and

listening,, and, then, afterwards,, you, get like your smattering of applause. But

it's, interesting, cuz, you, you, come, around to like when you have a when you have a house full of people who all came to see you, that's when you get like the real like reciprocation and you can tell you're doing something right.

But, you, do, have, to, go, through, like, a number of like stinkers, you know?

Yeah., And, when, you, have, like, two, or three of those in a row, which is which was kind of the case this last week was like two or three in a row where the crowd was just like not great.

Yeah. And, like, it's, nothing, to, do, with, them. Like sometimes it could just be like it's a Thursday night, everybody worked all day. Um the show goes till like 11:00. People are tired, you know whatever it is.

Um, and, you, can, get, in, your, head, about it. But then you finally get to a show where everybody's locked in. It's a weekend. Everybody's happy to be there and they really give you that reciprocation. That's what that's what we're hunting.

Yeah,, true., That, makes, sense., That, was, I remember I had uh with with acting I was always like, well, with acting like you just can't tell if you do good or not. Like stand up people laugh. Acting you just do it and that's just it. And I had that in my head where it was kind of like just me coping like you just never know. Then I was on a set and everyone someone finished their scene, the whole set burst out in applause and I was like, "Fuck, god damn it."

Yeah, there, is, a, metric, for, acting., I've, just never gotten it before. Oh, man,, that's, a, tough, realization.

Acting's, weird, cuz, it's, like, you're, just like you do your best. And they go, "All right, that's good. Move on." And you're like, "What the [ __ ] is it good or not?" They're like "Yeah, we we'll figure it out." You're like, "Fuck."

It's, kind, of, like, that, in, the, studio when you're recording. Really? Yeah.

Oh,, yeah., I, guess, you, do, have, someone there., It's, like,, "All, right,, all right. We'll we'll we'll mash it together.

Mhm. Oh,, yeah., That, would, make, me, nervous. Yeah. This is an ad by BetterHelp. Things always seem to get frantic and overwhelming as the end of the year approaches, and the shorter, colder darker days don't help. It can make you feel gloomy and melancholic at times, to be honest. That's why now, especially now, it's important to take a second and reach out and connect with the people around you. Meaning, like if you're on a crowded subway, grab their arm. I've been thinking about checking in with I've been thinking about checking in with my daddy. And I actually did talk to my daddy. He caught a fish and he sent me a picture. I said, "That's a hell of a fish, daddy. I love you daddy.

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We, can, do, the, Chappelle, show. Back, to, the, show., Have, you, uh, I, guess you've sent in like audition tapes.

I, did, one, before. That's, a, pretty, terrible, feeling. Oh,, it, was, pretty, horrible., I, sent, one in.

I, sent, one, in, for, uh, this, Netflix, thing. Did, you? Yeah. I, sent, one, in., Guess, what?, I, sent, one in. I just my one connection in the life. I I happen to know the producer of the show. No call back. I thought I was gonna finally get the Nepo baby out. And I was like, "Dude, I know the producer." Slight little family, you know, a little family action. I was like, "Here we go." I was I was I would have taken it in a [ __ ] heartbeat. I don't care. But yeah, no call back.

Damn. NCB., And, then, I, met, I, was, on, a, plane with somebody who was working. I saw they had like a bag. They were on that show. I should have just pressed him like, "Yeah, [ __ ] What the [ __ ]

What's, going, on? What, the, [ __ ], Do, you, know, who, my cousin's, uncle, is?, We're, about, to, get kicked off this flight.

You, have, any, idea, who, my, cousin's, uncle is? Who I've met once? I, did., I, actually, got, a, call, back,, but, I was out of the country when they were filming. Yeah.

Good, for, you. But well,, you're, doing, some, acting. I, thought, about, it,, man., They, called They called me cuz they wanted me to do this part and like

Oh,, dude., They, Yeah,, you, had, a, you, were you were I, kind, of, had, a, But, it, was, like, It, was, a small part, but

still Yeah, mine, was, minuscule. Yeah. No, call., NCB NCB sending, the, tape,, bro., It, feels, Although I've gotten better with that, like the I've gotten out of my head about a lot of that [ __ ] where it's like just do it man. Who cares?

Yeah. Just, show, your, [ __ ], ass. I, just, like, Have, you, ever, seen, like people's like audition tapes when they like get out there, they're like "Here's an audition tape." It's like they're always so embarrassing.

It's, totally, embarrassing. So,, I'm, really, worried, about, that. Yeah,, there's, one, of, me, now, floating around. It [ __ ] stinks. And I just Yeah, but I again I've just learned to just be like whatever. I don't I'm just going to let it kind of rip and

Right. Yeah., You, know,, I, don't, I, really, I, don't worry too much about humiliation that much as much as I used to.

I, know,, man., And, I, And, I, don't, either., I try not to. I think honestly like like micro doing helped a lot with that.

Yeah. It, helped, with, my, panic, attacks., Like even now when I get too high, I'm like just enjoy it cuz it's going to be over. Just let this be an experience.

True., I, just, look, at, my, drummer, like that, is, the, key., If, you're, too, high,, you do have to tell a person.

You, got, to, tell, somebody. If, you, don't, tell, anyone,, it, gets, worse and worse and worse. I I [ __ ] myself recently on an edible and I like I held it in for the longest time. Then I eventually just told one person. Instantly, I feel so much better.

Oh,, dude., I, quoted, you, on, Halloween actually. I got on the mic. I was like "We're through the worst of it now."

I, really, did, thought, I, had, acid, figured out. of my guys are scared of this. It's 3 hours in. It's 12 hours long.

We're, through, the, worst, of, it, now., And, I said that to the audience and they're like "What?

What, are, you, talking, about?" And, I, almost, broke, that, fourth, wall, and told them like, "I'm going to be honest with you guys. I'm way too high to do this." But you can't say that.

I, feel, like, they, would, like, it. They, would, enjoy, it. I, think, so. I'll, tell, them, next, time.

As, long, as, you're, not, at, the, uh, Sober Nation, dude. But guys, got to be honest. I'm way too [ __ ] high for this.

Yeah., Sober, Nation,, they, wouldn't appreciate it. Yeah, that uh yeah, weed for me is a it's an interesting one. I I that was when I started early. I at 19 years old I was like this is the answer to literally all my problems.

Mhm. And, then, I, it, started, just, bugging, me out at like my mid20s, late 20s, every it was like a guaranteed panic attack. Now, now it's the same thing like if I start I've bugged out so many times that I just look at my like watch and I'm like all right well I'm going to bug out now for an hour and then you know it'll be over and then that's it.

Yeah. So, sometimes, I, do, wonder, I, go, why, do, I even do this? But I, feel, like, I, need, a, little, bit, of, THC in my brain

when, it, fully, leaves, my, system., I, can feel it and I feel like weird. It's, interesting.

Feel, like, serious. Yeah., And, I, swear, to, God, when, the, THC when it all goes I get real [ __ ] like I, I'm, like, I'm, going to, go, to, [ __ ] confession and [ __ ]

go, to, confession. Yeah., I, get, like, really, serious., I'm going to start practicing the sacraments.

Wow. Or, just, whatever, other, stuff, too. That's, sick. But, yeah,, I, become, like, a, 1950s, father.

Oh, wow,, dude. You, know what, I, mean?, I, just, feel, like, I don't know. It's a weird feeling.

Start, tucking, your, shirt, in. I, I, want, to, tuck, my, shirt, in, so, bad, dude. I'm too [ __ ] coward. Too chicken [ __ ] I like the feeling of having my shirt tucked in

man. Like, I, genuinely, really, enjoy, it, and, I'm just too much of a coward to pull the trigger on it all the time.

When, I, started, wearing, my, pants, high, and tight, you know, and my true waistline tucking my shirt in, I felt like a real

You, feel, amazing., Yeah,, you, feel amazing. Ready, to, talk, about, sports. [ __ ]

I'm, gonna, I'm, gonna, talk., I, I, I'll, get, a good day where I'll be tucked in and then I'll just I'll just doubt myself. Yeah,

I'll, untuck., But, that's, kind, of, where I'm at right now. It's a nice talk.

Yeah. What, do, you, guys, think, man?, Dude., Well,, dude,, this, is, your second time here, dude. You're a [ __ ]

Yeah. You're, one, of, the, best, guests, I, think we've ever gotten. Thank, you.

I'm, telling, you,, next, time, it's, in, the cards. Third time around, we'll get the big Shane. You'll be in the beautiful guest.

Get, the, big, dog, here., Next, time, it'll happen. The, big, dog., It'd, be, nice., That's, what Hey, my theory of podcast is more the marrier.

Whenever, we, Whenever, Shane's, like,, "We have a guest." I'm like, "Yes, it's easier." Now we have three brains.

You, guys, You, guys, make, it, easy., It's just a It's a fun It's a fun way to do it.

Yeah,, it, is., I, I, did, notice, that, when, I did my uh little like press thing. A lot of podcasts do have a lot of formulas.

Yeah. So,, yeah,, we, don't, have, any., So, Oh,, we, have, a, formula, here., If, we, run out of material or stuff to talk about we turn on Sean Laair and Nate. We start to attack them very personally. And uh and if that and if that fails then we just make basically Nate La Mer do stuff from their podcast on here.

Like, do, that, thing, you, do, on, your podcast. So we like then we do that. So that's our formula.

Talk, as, much, as, we, can., Turn, on, them. So, what's, next,, man?, What's, What, do, you got going forward? You got the album out,

man. The, album, [ __ ], rules., I'm, dead serious. I was blasting that thing. It's awesome. Thanks, man. So, we got the Bides coming out, which uh there's a song on the record called No Room for Blue.

So,, we, we're, calling, like, the, uh, the Bides release, like the deluxe edition. We're calling it No Room for Blue is all the songs we didn't have room for.

Oh,, that's, cool. Yeah., And, there's, a, bunch, of, tunes, on there that we were excited about. But that's kind of the deal with like making a record is like you work really really hard and then the label's like not yet, you know, go back in do some more. We don't really hear anything yet. And then all the stuff that you really like, you get opportunity to release it on like the Bides. So that's what's happening on uh Black Friday. It'll be out.

Oh,, nice. For, Record, Store, Day, and, you, can, get that in a physical copy. Um, but we'll be releasing it digitally in April on Record Store Day in April. Um I don't know if I was supposed to say that but

Well,, you, can, always, believe, it, if, you can. Yeah,, it's, all, good,, though., I, don't care.

Um,, yeah,, but, tonight, we're, rehearsing for Austin City Limits. So, we're doing Austin City Limits tomorrow, taping that at the Moody Theater. Um that'd be a good good opportunity for us to play all these songs

live, with, the, strings, and, the, horns, and the background vocals and um finish up this run. Man, I'm going out to LA doing a residency out there with Chris Dave and Corey Henry at the Blue Note. Then uh off for the holidays.

Oh,, that's, nice. Yeah. How's, the, residency, work?, You, just, get to chill there for like how long? I think we're doing uh four nights, two shows a night.

Sick. Yeah, that's, awesome. It'll, be, fun., It's, kind, of, post, up, in LA. Um it's a good opportunity to get together with folks you don't get to see that often.

Yeah., Yeah. You, know, that's, cool. And, it's, also, it's, a, different, thing. It's like a different uh we play like jazz fusion, so we just kind of let everything go.

That's, cool. Everything, hang, out. Just, kind, of, [ __ ], around. Yeah. Nice,, man., Well,, hell, yeah.

Yeah., Well,, dude,, Marcus,, thank, you, for coming man. Thanks, for, having, me,, bro.

You, bought, me, another, week., Now, I, can survive for one more week and figure it out.

Anytime,, brother, dude., Thank, you,, man. Thank, you. Later. Watch, new, episodes, of, Matt, and, Shane Secret podcast on Spotify.

Do, it.

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What is discussed in "Ep 584 - The Buzz Man (feat. Marcus King)"?

In order: 0:00 Scientology, Darling Blue, David Oscar Marcus, Kenny Loggins; 5:00 David Oscar Marcus; 10:00 Zip Recruiter; 25:00 Prize Pick, Milwaukee Bucks; 45:00 Better Help, Naples, Florida; 50:00 Madison, Wisconsin, Syracuse, New York; 55:00 Austin City Limits, Chris Dave, Corey Henry, David Oscar Marcus.

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