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Breaking Down an Unbelievable Story About a Shocking IVF Mix-Up and What it Means to Be a Mom

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· 23 min · 4,063 words · 46 timestamped sections

This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Breaking Down an Unbelievable Story About a Shocking IVF Mix-Up and What it Means to Be a Mom", an episode of Megyn Kelly published January 17, 2026 (23 min, about 4,063 words). It mentions 17 people, works and ideas, including IVF, Daphna Mor, Maymay, embryo, Alexander Mor.

What this episode is about

The narrative explores a startling IVF mix-up involving parents Daphna and Alexander, who, after conceiving a child through in vitro fertilization, discover their newborn's appearance does not match theirs, prompting them to seek genetic testing to uncover the truth of their child's paternity. This story raises profound questions about identity, parenthood, and the emotional complexities faced by families formed through assisted reproductive technology.

Key takeaways

  • IVF success can lead to unexpected twists, as genetics may not always align with one’s expectations.
  • Biological ties are only part of the parenting equation; love and nurture often define true family bonds.
  • Who would’ve thought IVF could lead to an identity crisis? It's like a genetic game of 'Who’s your daddy?'
  • In the age of genetic testing, ignorance can be bliss—until the truth demands your attention.
  • Parenting is heart over genes; that baby may not share DNA, but shared love counts most.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: IVF, Alexander Mor, embryo, January 16th, 2026
  2. – 10:00: embryo, fertility clinic, Maymay, Daphna Mor
  3. – 15:00: Maymay, Annie (pseudonym), Alexander Mor, embryo
  4. – 20:00: IVF, embryo, fertility clinic, Maymay
  5. – 23:09: Maymay, Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "Breaking Down an Unbelievable Story About a Shocking IVF Mix-Up and What it Means to Be a Mom"

  • They already had one daughter. They went to the IVF clinic because I think the mom was in her 40s, needed help and she conceived another child. She gave birth to the child, a girl. And they did.
    about IVF · at
  • Words and I'm trying to make sense of it. And then at the bottom there it is 99.9% positive that the subject is not the father.
    about Alexander Mor · at
  • Because I think your mind could go to some very dark places. if the embryo wasn't accidentally destroyed, if it's not sitting in a freezer, it's been implanted in someone else. And who are these people? And where is my baby?
    about embryo · at
  • Who contacts the fertility clinic to say, Oh my god, they you implanted someone else's baby in Daphna. and the fertility clinic goes back and checks its records and figures out…
    about Daphna Mor · at
  • So, it turned out to be the case that their child Zoe was being raised by they go the Latina mom is going by Annie for purposes of the story and the dad I think is unnamed. So…
    about Annie (pseudonym) · at
  • Then they talk about Daphna holding her baby who's Zoe for the first time. She was shocked by how different Zoe felt, how big Zoe was compared to May. She realized that none of the.
    about Zoe · at
  • The piece points out that they say he's they did file a lawsuit against the clinic for medical mal malpractice negligence and breach of contract. I don't know where it landed…
    about malpractice negligence · at
  • Qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start the process, just text MK to 989898. Birch Gold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold, and you are…
    about Birch Gold Group · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Daphna Mor — Person · Core subject (referenced parent in NYT story) · 1 mention · first at
    One of the two parents who discover their IVF embryo transfer resulted in them raising a baby who is not genetically theirs, driving the episode’s ethical and legal discussion.
  • Alexander Mor — Person · Core subject (referenced parent in NYT story) · 3 mentions · first at
    Husband of Daphna Mor; learns via genetic testing that he is not the biological father of the baby they are raising, catalyzing the clinic investigation and family-to-family resolution.
  • Annie (pseudonym) — Person · Core subject (referenced parent in NYT story) · 3 mentions · first at
    Latina mother (named as a pseudonym) raising Zoe (not genetically hers) and biological mother of May; her cooperation enables an integrated co-parenting arrangement.
  • Olivia Mor — Person · Referenced family member · 1 mention · first at
    Identified as Daphna Mor and Alexander Mor’s older child; used to underscore the emotional resonance (cry similarity) during the first meeting with Zoe.
    First time. They could hear her crying as Annie and her husband approached their front door. The sound was eerily like Olivia's cry because Daphnne and Alexander have an older…
  • Sarah Jessica Parker — Person · Cultural reference · 1 mention · first at
    Referenced for a word choice about motherhood, used rhetorically to emphasize the embodied experience of carrying and birthing a child.
    Someone's going to take my baby like my baby that I carried and I birthed and I to use Sarah Jessica Parker's favorite word and that I've been raising and nursing for three…

Concepts & topics

  • IVF — Concept · Core topic · 3 mentions · first at
    The embryo mix-up occurs in the context of IVF, prompting discussion of lab error risk, regulation, and the emotional stakes of assisted reproduction.
  • Maymay — Concept · Core subject (child identity in story) · 6 mentions · first at
    Nickname for the baby Daphna Mor and Alexander Mor initially raise; central to the emotional and ethical questions about motherhood, attachment, and genetic parenthood.
    And now the question is, okay, we found they call their daughter Maymay.
  • embryo — Concept · Core topic · 5 mentions · first at
    The central factual mechanism is an embryo transfer mix-up—whose embryo was implanted in which woman—driving both the emotional narrative and legal analysis.
  • fertility clinic — Concept · Core topic / causal institution · 3 mentions · first at
    The clinic is the locus of the embryo transfer error and the target of legal claims; also used to discuss underregulation and hidden error rates.
    Say, Oh my god, they you implanted someone else's baby in Daphna. and the fertility clinic goes back and checks its records and figures out what other transplants, transfers…
  • Zoe — Concept · Core subject (child identity in story) · 1 mention · first at
    Name of Daphna Mor and Alexander Mor’s biological baby who was mistakenly implanted and raised by Annie; the eventual baby-switch and ongoing relationship revolve around Zoe.
  • medical malpractice — Concept · Legal framing · 2 mentions
    Named as part of the lawsuit basis against the fertility clinic, anchoring the discussion of accountability for embryo transfer errors.
    File a lawsuit... for medical mal malpractice...
  • malpractice negligence — Concept · Legal framing · 1 mention · first at
    Explicitly mentioned as a legal theory in the lawsuit, emphasizing alleged failure to meet professional standards in embryo handling/transfer.
  • breach of contract — Concept · Legal framing · 1 mention · first at
    Cited as a cause of action in the lawsuit against the clinic, reflecting the contractual nature of fertility services and expectations of performance.
    He's they did file a lawsuit against the clinic for medical mal malpractice negligence and breach of contract. I don't know where it landed, but this lawyer who specializes in…
  • COVID-19 — Concept · Contextual reference · 1 mention
    Used as a comparison point for an integrated living arrangement (“family compound”) the families adopt, implying heightened togetherness/containment.
    And they it doesn't work. They the mothers miss the babies and they wind up coming up with like a way to live. It was around COVID almost like on a family compound or in a way that's very integrated and like they Annie allows her child her.

Places & events

  • November 2024 — Event · Publication date (referenced) · 1 mention · first at
    Marks when The New York Times first published the written piece that the speakers quote and summarize.
    Hold on. I actually have it right in front of me. Yeah. November of 2024, the New York Times dropped this piece. But today, January 16th, 2026, they dropped the podcast with live interviews. Well, not live interview,.
  • January 16th, 2026 — Event · Publication date (referenced) · 1 mention · first at
    Given as the date The Daily released the podcast version with interviews, framing the episode’s timely hook.
    But on tape interviews of the parents involved. And it is a riveting piece of work. Highly recommend everybody listen to today's The Daily. It was an excellent episode. And it…

Sponsors

  • Birch Gold Group — Company · Advertiser / sponsor · 1 mention · first at
    Appears in the mid-episode ad read promoting gold purchases and IRA/401k rollovers, separate from the IVF narrative.

Full transcript with timestamps

So about it was like November of 2024. Hold on. I actually have it right in front of me. Yeah. November of 2024, the New York Times dropped this piece. But today, January 16th, 2026, they dropped the podcast with live interviews. Well, not live interview, but on tape interviews of the parents involved. And it is a riveting piece of work. Highly recommend everybody listen to today's The Daily. It was an excellent episode. And it is an episode about two parents um whose names are hold on uh Daphna and Alexander who goes by Xander. They're married to each other and they were trying to conceive a baby.

They already had one daughter. They went to the IVF clinic because I think the mom was in her 40s, needed help and she conceived another child. She gave birth to the child, a a girl. And they did notice shortly after the baby was born that the baby did not look like them. They are the the mother is I think they said she has red hair or she comes from like a long line of red heads and her hair is more like light brownish red and the husband's more fair too. Their skin seems very fair and um their baby it it would come to look more so over the first three months looked darker skinned and looked Asian and you know dark-kinned Asian is not something a Morin Callahan or a Megan Kelly could produce um if we're married to guys who look anything like us. So, they started to get a little nervous as I think any IVF parent would because let's face it, it's not like having a baby naturally. We're like, you know damn well who fathered

your child. Exactly. Um, so they were getting nervous and eventually they did decide to do a parent test, like a genetic test where they sent in for results and they sent their baby's like cheek swab in. Then think of it like what a scary thing to do because like what if the outcome is not what you want then then what what are you going to do next? I think a lot of parents would just like never ask but they felt like they had to. They felt like what if this is not our child and we've effectively stolen somebody else's child without any fault of our own. And also, what if the child we conceived in a petri dish? We all know that's how IVF is done is out there being raised by someone else. So, they sent the cheek swabs into this company that will run the tests. And the the mother talks about how she called and said, "When am I getting the results?" And they were like, "Oh, you know, we have them, but you'll get them

sometime next week." And the mother's like "Please don't do that to me. And the woman was like, "We'll have them to you in an hour." And somehow they got like an envelope to them. Maybe it was just an email. I don't know. But here is that piece of the daily podcast. Listen.

So I open it up. It's a jumble of words and numbers at first. There's two PDFs. I lock in on one for the, you know, father, one for the mother. So I open up the father one. And I'm going through the numbers and I'm going through the letters and the words and I'm trying to make sense of it. And then at the bottom there it is 99.9% positive that the subject is not the father. And your reaction was really quick. It was just like what about me? What about me?

Yeah. Cuz I'm in full panic mode. I'm like pacing with the baby. You're holding her and you're like okay well what about me? So I click on the other attachment for the mother.

Then he a big long sigh without any words. Yeah. Uh, and it said 99.9% chance you're not the mother.

Neither one of them is the genetic parent of May. She's not the biological mom. He's not the biological dad. And this beautiful baby who has made their lives so whole and feel so complete and has brought them so much joy is really in a sense a genetic stranger. Moren,

it was, you know, I I I couldn't understand how the mother in particular was so composed in retelling the story because I think your mind could go to some very dark places. Like, if the embryo wasn't accidentally destroyed, if it's not sitting in a freezer, it's been implanted in someone else. And who are these people? And where is my baby?

Yes. And I think the the very first thought I would have which would be someone's going to take my baby like my baby that I carried and I birthed and I to use Sarah Jessica Parker's favorite word um and that I've been raising and nursing for three months. They've had this someone's I I'm going to lose this baby. I'm gonna have to give this baby to somebody because it turns out she's not mine. And the thought of that for any mother would be totally devastating.

You know, I I know it's a it's a shorter episode, but I wish they had touched on this now that you bring it up. She did give birth to that child. She carried that child for 9 months, 10 months, gave birth to it, nursed it, stayed up with it all night. You know, the that child was hers in so many ways. That child was hers. And um I when you when you get to the the point where they they figure out what's happened and the the grief that comes along with knowing like even though they knew like evolution kicks in this is not our child

but this is our child you know I mean it's the same as like an adoptive mom and dad 100% feel that this is their child. They know biologically it's not their child but every adoptive parent I know says you lose that very soon after you get that child. Like there's a little bit in the beginning like okay this is not ours genetically but very soon after it's forgotten. This is your child and and also knowing for this baby you are the only mother.

Yes. And you you know in your heart you are going to be torn apart from this child. Like this child's going to lose its the only mother it's ever known. It's so devastating. Honestly I listened to this episode several times. I teared up and I have to give credit to the New York Times. They did a great job with the storytelling and then so now they know

and they hire a lawyer who contacts the fertility clinic to say, "Oh my god, you know, they you implanted someone else's baby in Daphna." and the fertility clinic goes back and checks its records and figures out what other transplants, transfers they call them, when they put the embryo inside of you. We're done that day and they do figure out whose baby this is. And now the question is, okay, we we found they call their daughter Maymay. We've found Maymay's real parents, her biological parents. Where's our embryo? Because we fertilized an embryo, too. Did it not take? Because you can fertilize an embryo and it can not take. Like I mean, for a lack of a better term, it kind of melts or like it it has enough genetic defects that it doesn't like work out or you discarded it accidentally or did you put it in Mayay's biological mom?

Mhm. Which is what happened. So Maymay's biological mom who is Asian, I think. No, no, she's Latina

and Maymay's biological dad is Asian. So indeed, the baby that they're raising as Maymay looks Latina and Asian because she is.

They've been raising a white, you know, fair. I don't know if she had red hair, but like obviously much more light-skinned and light-haired baby who's a lot larger, too, than Little Mayay. They they've been calling their baby Zoe. And it turns out they had similar worries about their baby

because they too realized that this is a picture of Zoe um who doesn't look Asian or Latina.

I know but as sweet as as they come and they had this worry in the back of their heads, but they unlike the first couple had not done anything about it. I'm sure they were living in fear. It's just like

the babies were only about a month or two old, right? I thought they I think they were 3 months old

when they began. Okay. Yeah. And but they didn't have to go through the hellacious period that Daphna and Xander had to go through because they did not do genetic testing. They just got a call one day from the fertility clinic saying, "Oh my god." I mean, they had a terrible dose of news, but they didn't have like the anticipatory period that Daphna and Xander did.

They got the call saying, "Your baby's not your genetic baby. You do have a biological child. it was implanted in Daphna who now would like her baby back and would like to give you her baby. Although it wasn't really clear what the remedy was going to be. I don't the clinic didn't actually say that but it was just like hey FYI made a mistake take care.

Mhm. And then they talk about how how things would go down like they decided to meet the four parents with the babies. Trying to remember the second thought that we have Deb. Is it from the meeting? Um standby. Hold on. It's okay. Let's hear about Let's hear it. Here's the second sound bite from the daily. So, we have some information. We found uh the lab has found her parents. They think they know who her parents are.

They are pretty sure they have identified who Mayay's biological parents are. Wow.

Now, that couple also is raising a young girl who is the same age as Maymay. We don't know if that's another embryo of theirs, if that is your embryo, if that is someone else's embryo. We don't know anything about that other baby, but we are are are pretty sure that that this is May's parents. So, it turned out to be the case that their child Zoe was being raised by um they go the the Latina mom is going by Annie for purposes of the story and the dad I think is unnamed. So Annie, who's Latina, is raising Zoe, but Zoe's not hers. Daphna, who's the fair skinned redhead, is raising Maymay, who's not hers. And now they have to decide what to do. And they say this. Listen, this is in the article that was written up back in November of 24. On the last day of the year, Daphna and Alexander stood in their living room waiting to meet Zoe, their biological baby, for the first time. They could hear her crying

as Annie and her husband approached their front door. The sound was eerily like Olivia's cry because Daphnne and Alexander have an older sister named Olivia, you know, a first child. The sound was eerily like Olivia's cry at that age as if emerging from a time capsule. Listening to it crystallized everything Daphna and Alexander had been feeling for the past two weeks that there was a child out there in the world so close but whom they couldn't see or hold or comfort. They lived 10 minutes away from each other. Daphna bounced Maym May in her arms as they waited for the doorbell to ring. Alexander swore a nervous curse and May stared at him, a look of consternation on her face, reaching for her father with her tiny hand. Both couples had made other plans that day for their older children because little Zoe had an older sister, too. Their parents knew it would be hard enough to manage their own emotions

without having to manage the siblings, too. The bell finally rang and then Annie was inside smiling at the baby in Daphna's arms reaching for her. "I'm sorry," she said, weeping, her breath ragged. She kissed May's cheek twice as the baby she's been raising that isn't hers, and buried her face in the crook of the baby's neck. She sat down on the couch, her backpack still on. "How are you? How are you?" she asked, holding May in her lap, so she could marvel at her face through tears. So this is let me correct myself. This is Annie meeting her own biological daughter for the first time.

Um then they talk about about Daphna holding her baby who's Zoe for the first time. She was shocked by how different Zoe felt, how big Zoe was compared to May. She realized that none of the clothing she had bought for this daughter would fit. Soon the husbands were holding the babies. Both mother mothers gazes veered from the sight of their own child in someone else's arms. Think of this moms out there. It's your baby. You've raised the baby. You carried the baby. You gave birth to the baby. You've been nursing the baby for 3 months. Now another woman is holding your baby. And you're going to have to give this baby up. You are not going to be able to keep this baby. It's so devastating.

Veered from the sight of their own child and someone else's arms to the sight of the other child in their husband's arms. Each was doing the best she could to let the other mother have all the psychic space she needed with her daughter. For almost two weeks, the families visited every other day. Some sometimes at Daphna's house, sometimes at Annie's house. Often, the two mothers did what Alexander came to think of as the mama dance. Each would go to change a child's diaper, then step back for a moment. Is it okay if I like I'm getting emotional thinking about this. Can you imagine like asking for permission if you could change your own baby's diaper because you didn't know your baby cuz somebody else te carried it. Would you rather that you they had endless tiny details to discuss. Does she use a binky? How long does she nap? Do you hold her until she falls asleep and then put her down or just put her down? What's her

favorite bedtime music? How much did she weigh? The couples were inventing a new kind of relationship as they went and it was far from a given that the transition would go smoothly. Um then they write this on January 16th. The families each had their babies. January 16th, which is two years ago, I think exactly. I think this was

Yeah. The families each held their babies overnight for the first time. And Daphna started to feel the connection she'd been longing to feel. When she gave Zoe, again, this is her biological child who she's just getting to know, a bath before bedtime. She took her daughter in her arms, inhaled the scent of her head, felt her soft downy hair. Somehow she smelled like home. like their towels, like their shampoo, maybe even their pherommones. Daphna couldn't help thinking of May 10 minutes away now at Annie's and her husband's home. May seemed farther along developmentally than Zoe, and Daphna worried that the change would be harder for her. You know, worried that like her Maymay is going to know she's been switched that night. In fact, May over at Annie's house was crying inconsolably.

Annie was distraught that she could not comfort her, her heartbreaking for a baby she already loved, but who was sobbing, she was sure, for a mother Annie could not possibly be at that moment. Oh my god, this is so heartbreaking. Ultimately, they wind up thinking that they're just going to switch the babies and they're going to have to go cold turkey because it's just too hard on the families to do this halfin halfout thing.

And they try that and they it doesn't work. They the mothers miss the babies and they wind up coming up with like a way to live. It was around COVID almost like on a family compound or in a way that's very integrated and like they Annie allows her child her biological child to call Daphna mama mama D and they find a way to keep the relationship alive for both parents with the daughter that is not actually theirs which like is a is a relief somehow. I mean, like, as a mother, I'm just like, "Oh my, thank God." Because you like, it just raises the question, what is motherhood? Like, what is parenthood?

You know, is it you'd want your biological child back? There's no question. You'd want your biological child, but who is the mother of the little baby at 3 months in? Is it that other mother 10 minutes away who's got the biological claim? Or is it you who carried the baby, gave birth to the baby, have been nursing the baby and love the baby and the baby loves you? What is parenthood? And Orin, I have to tell you, it made me think about surrogacy for like gay men.

This has become more and more controversial. And I have lots of gay men friends in my life who's who've used surrogates to have babies. And I have celebrated with them and sent them baby gifts. And I never really gave a lot of thought to what it was doing to a baby to to take it away from its biological mother. I mean, the surrogate carries the child. Sometimes the surrogate is the biological mother and it's her eggs

and sometimes it's not. Sometimes they use a donor egg and you just find a surrogate who will carry the baby. But you think about the baby who gets taken out of the mother like the B the one who birthed it her arms and given to two people who are strangers to the baby. I don't know. Like I love my gay friends too much to weigh in negatively on it. You know what I mean? Like it's too painful me for me to think of what if what if one of my sons ever turned out to be gay. They're not gay. I already know they're straight. But like would I be okay with them just never having children? And I know people in the Catholic faith and the Christian faith feel very strongly about this that it's deeply immoral and wrong. But anyway, the whole thing just raises so many questions about IVF, which I'm also biased on because I used I know my kids are are mine. Raises questions about surrogacy, raises questions about

messing with God's will. and then just raises questions about whether these fertility clinics need to be much much better regulated because the lawyer in the piece points out that they say um he's they did file a lawsuit against the clinic for medical mal malpractice negligence and breach of contract. I don't know where it landed, but this lawyer who specializes in these claims says um while he's encountered fewer than 10 cases in which an embryo was transferred to the wrong woman, which is what do you mean like how many more are there? Okay, you've encountered fewer than 10. That doesn't mean there are fewer than 10. But he believes that the public becomes aware of only a fraction of the errors that occur in these labs.

And he points out that they're underregulated relative to most medical procedures or says this is what a law professor says in the piece. And also they point out that the reason it was uncovered here is because the race of the children was different.

Exactly. Exactly. That was my point. Exa. That was exactly what I was going to say.

I do. You're definitely right. They need they need to be regulated far more uh with far more scrutiny. I believe there have there's been at least one case of a fertility clinic where the actual physician running it was replacing the sperm with his sperm with his own,

you know. Yeah, there's that. Um I'm pro- surrogacy for whoever wants it. I think um it it is complicated. It is emotionally painful. It's not easy. I think when all parties go into it willingly and know that you know so heartbreak is there. Yes. But also the to for people who are who are so desperate to have a child and this is their only recourse and there are angels among us who do it. You know what I learned recently? Often um women who are surrogates tend to get pregnant in their own relationships shortly thereafter.

Oh, interesting. The experience they're replacing. It's kind I don't know if it's a replacement. That might be the incorrect word, but it has created a sort of a need to have a baby. I actually found this story a one of hope and I found it actually quite heartwarming because the way they build the story and you're with these people but Daphna and Xander in particular because the other family doesn't really talk the agony. There's a moment where Daphna talks about um she's got Zoe back and Maymay's, you know, 10 minutes away, but she she would keep it together during the day and then she would go into the shower and she would weep. And her husband describes the sounds as like a a wounded animal

like Yeah. And that and that she at at some point she had like a moment where she said to herself, I have to be there for Zoe. You know, because Zoe Zoe got very Zoe started crying when Daphna left the house for a minute to throw the trash out and she came back and Zoe was hysterical and she was like, "That's it." But that they like every person in the story seems like a wonderful person.

They do. They seem like really good people. Came together, the mothers each, it could have one of the mothers could have been like, you know, completely acrimonious, bitter. I'm not giving you any access to this kid. It's mine. You know, all of those horrible thoughts. And instead, these girls will grow up knowing each other. A new year means new financial goals like making sure your savings are secure and diversified. Will this be the year you decide to talk to someone from Birch Gold Group? They use an educational approach with a deep understanding of macroeconomics.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Breaking Down an Unbelievable Story About a Shocking IVF Mix-Up and What it Means to Be a Mom"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Moren Callahan (Guest), Daphna (Guest), Alexander (Xander) (Guest), Annie (Guest).

What is "Breaking Down an Unbelievable Story About a Shocking IVF Mix-Up and What it Means to Be a Mom" about?

The narrative explores a startling IVF mix-up involving parents Daphna and Alexander, who, after conceiving a child through in vitro fertilization, discover their newborn's appearance does not match theirs, prompting them to seek genetic testing to uncover the truth of their child's paternity. This story raises profound questions about identity, parenthood, and the emotional complexities faced…

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

17 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including IVF, Daphna Mor, Maymay, embryo, Alexander Mor, fertility clinic. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Breaking Down an Unbelievable Story About a Shocking IVF Mix-Up and What it Means to Be a Mom"?

The episode runs 23 min; the transcript is about 4,063 words in 46 timestamped sections.

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