Could Mystery Potential Suspect Caught on Camera at Nancy Guthrie House Be a PROFESSIONAL Hitman?

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on the investigation of a potential suspect caught on camera at Nancy Guthrie's house, raising questions about his possible identity as a professional hitman. The analysis contrasts the suspect's appearance with that of the brother-in-law and explores the rarity of true professional hitmen, emphasizing that such cases are often influenced by organized crime, like the cartels, rather than freelance operatives.

Key takeaways

• The age gap between potential suspects can be as telling as their motives—let's not overlook the obvious.
• Professional hitmen are as rare as unicorns; real crime often involves ordinary people with questionable decisions.
• Cartel hits are slick, fast, and profit-driven; this chaotic scenario lacks their signature efficiency.
• Obsession knows no demographic; remember Rebecca Schaefer—a reminder that danger can come from unexpected places.
• Forced entry—or lack thereof—can rewrite the narrative; the front door might be a clue, not just an exit.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 9 min speaking
• Moren (Guest) · 7 min speaking
• Jim (Guest) · 7 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: Rebecca Schaefer, Ashley Banfield, Pam Dober
2. 5:00 – 10:00: Nancy Guthrie, Ashley Banfield
3. 20:00 – 22:58: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "Could Mystery Potential Suspect Caught on Camera at Nancy Guthrie House Be a PROFESSIONAL Hitman?"

• As I watch this, you guys, and we're all subject to our own priors and biases, right? But I'm thinking about the actress Rebecca Schaefer, and she was on My Sister Sam. She was…

  about Rebecca Schaefer · at 2:22

• Ashley's reporting that these are nest cams, not ring cams, but we don't see the moment where it disconnects and like goes dark. so clearly they didn't show that for some reason. And you're.

  about Ashley Banfield · at 4:56

• What? This is an aside. Brian Engine just reporting. A pizza delivery man just showed up to Nancy Guthri's house and was able to walk up to the front door without the deputies out front noticing. Oh my lord. okay. Let's go.

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 9:56

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  about Birch Gold Group · at 21:51

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Victim/subject of the investigation being discussed · 1 mention · first at 5:27
  Central figure in the segment: the discussion analyzes surveillance video, entry/exit routes, kidnapping vs murder, and ransom communications tied to her abduction.
• Ashley Banfield — Person · Referenced journalist/reporter · 2 mentions · first at 4:37
  Cited as reporting key investigative details (forced entry; Nest vs Ring cameras; back door camera removal) that shape the panel’s theory of entry/exit and offender sophistication.
• Rebecca Schaefer — Person · Referenced case example (actress/victim) · 2 mentions · first at 2:26
  Raised as an analogy for a possible obsession-driven attack, contrasting with theories like cartel/professional hitman.
• Pam Dober — Person · Referenced actress (contextual link to Schaefer) · 1 mention · first at 2:35
  Mentioned to identify Rebecca Schaefer’s co-star on 'My Sister Sam' while recounting the stalking/murder case used as an analogy.
  About the actress Rebecca Schaefer, and she was on My Sister Sam. She was a rising star. She p she starred with Pam Dober. Remember her? This is back in the 80s. Sure. And she…

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 22:02
  Promoted as a service for diversifying savings into precious metals, particularly gold, during economic uncertainty.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 I'll just say it to me. He looks younger than the brother-in-law. His mustache looks black and the brother-in-law's is gray. And um his the brother-in-law's eyes are more hooded than appear in this guy. Okay. So, I don't mean to beat up on the brother-in-law, but since he's been out there, I will say to me this doesn't look like it's a match. But, um we'll find out. The FBI is going to know this very, very soon. Um, but if if this is the guy, all let me start with this. Does this look like a professional hitman to you? Like based on what you guys saw in that video.

0:36 If I can start with this, Megan, there are very, very few actual legit real quote unquote professional hitmen out there. Of course, the mob has some, the cartels have them, people like that. They'll take out mostly their own kind. But for professional uh you know this alleged professional hitman hitman that Hollywood likes to talk about there are very very few uh in that regard. Now doesn't mean there's some freelancer out there talking to some guys sees something on the dark web and says hey I could do something like this. What's the address? And and and this is what happens. But these these cases of again hit men uh unless there's some lover triangle involved and and and somehow that's where the other party gets taken out, they're relatively I would say very rare quite frankly. And Moren, maybe you have more experience with that than my career, but just not seen very often.

1:29 What about the cartel piece of it? Like that that's where I left us before we left. Is this does this look to you like somebody who could possibly be affiliated with a cartel? Here's the deal with the cartel, because I worked narcotics all those years. The cartel's job, if they're if they're kidnapping someone, it's a hit-and- run operation. Meaning, you get in there, you get the hell out, you do whatever you can. You have it already set up for the ransom, you get that money, and it's over. And you drop that victim off someplace and let her figure out how to reach out to her family so that you don't have to. I mean, it's it's it's it's a situation that's rapid, fluid, and the whole goal is to get money. That isn't at all what we've seen here. It's it's just been this crazy rigma roll and in so many with so many data points, they don't even seem to coincide with one one another. It's like if you had her prove

2:20 that she's alive. As I watch this, you guys, and I mean, we're all subject to our own priors and biases, right? But I I I'm thinking about the actress Rebecca Schaefer, and you know, she was on My Sister Sam. She was a rising star. She p she starred with Pam Dober. Remember her? This is back in the 80s. Sure. And she was the younger sister. And she had just gotten to Hollywood. Her star was rising. And there was a man who became obsessed with her who was watching her show. And she had not yet protected herself by figuring out how to layer how to put layers between you and the and the public. She was easy to find. He rang the doorbell with a dozen roses and she opened the door and um long story short, he murdered her right there on the doorstep because he was obsessed with her. I mean, because he was crazy, but he was functioning. He wasn't, you know, fire breathing, walking down the sidewalk. People did not know he was

3:18 crazy, but he was crazy. And he killed her. And I can't help but think whether this is a possibility with this guy who just I mean you can't rule it out that there was some obsession obviously with Savannah. I don't think many people would develop some weird obsession with an 84year-old senior citizen, but it's possible that somebody was obsessed with Savannah and she's I believe impossible to get to. But her mom's not

3:46 right. And this guy seems kind of young. You can't totally tell obviously, but he to me he looks kind of young and you know,

3:53 well, he's got that he's where the psychotic break happens. I know. I'm really out on a limb here. I'm just saying this is an angle that deserves some discussion.

4:02 I agree. But I think we're forgetting something or you know, we may not have gotten to the point where we noticed something really important right now and that is he's at the front door. The front door is not what they were talking about in those pressers. They were talking about the back door was left open like he entered through the back door and you know was there we still don't know from um the sheriff if in fact there was forced entry

4:26 but if there wasn't forced entry this person's at the front door. How'd they get in?

4:33 So the forced entry is going to be key. So a if my if my memory serves, Ashley Banfield reported that there was forced entry and the sheriff has steadfastly refused to comment on it. He he won't say and it I mean it is maybe that's what the video shows next because I don't think we've seen all the video because we do not see the moment where he gets the the Nest camera down. Ashley's reporting that these are nest cams, not ring cams, but we don't see the moment where it disconnects and like goes dark. Um so clearly they didn't show that for some reason. And you're right, Ashley's also reporting that the back door was open and that the guy removed the Nescam from the back door, too. And that's strange. He's at the front door.

5:16 He's going in the front door. We think he left the front door. Well, we don't see him go in. Um, but we we believe he exited through the front door because that's where NY's blood was,

5:26 right? So, clearly he at least attempted to leave with Nancy through the front door.

5:30 Okay. But from a cartel standpoint, I can tell you right now, a cartel member is not going to hit that front door because it had a burglar gate on it. Those things are very hard to breach. Trust me when I tell you from experience, if I'm going to breach a what

5:46 a one of those burglar doors on it, you know, the the metal uh it's all metal and the frame is actually screwed sideways about with with 6 8 12in bolts into the um side of the frame of the door. It's not something that you just put on. You know those metal ones that look kind of Spanish, but you you can't get through them. They're extremely hard to breach.

6:08 Well, they're very hard to breach. So, if that next video shows him trying to breach that door and he's good at it, that that's going to be that's going to be a person from a different um at a different level if if it shows him running.

6:23 So, maybe what happened next is he went around Yeah. Maybe he went around to the back door and got in that way. And I mean, if that's if that happened, like if if there's video showing him struggling, he can't get the door open and then he gives up and goes around to the back, then I think we can safely say it's somebody familiar with the property. Um, it could be could be a landscaper, could be somebody, you know, it's like the person knew exactly where the vegetation was and what they wanted to grab and they did it. So, it could be a friend or a family member who's familiar, but it could also be somebody like a groundskeeper, right? or someone who's just spent a fair amount of time on the property and knew immediately there's a back door that that they should get to. And frankly, that would be the that would make some sense because who that's breaking into a home like this and gets in through the front

7:06 door after all this stuff we're watching on camera then says, "Gee, maybe I should go disarm the Nest camera in in the back door." No one's even thinking about the back door.

7:15 Unless there's something we don't know. Uh again, we don't we think it's one person now. And we, you know, I surmised earlier there could have been someone in a car. Obviously, we don't see the car out front and we don't know if anyone would be in there or not. There has to be a car, I would think, for this person to make his egress, not just, of course, from the house, but from the street and from the whole neighborhood. Uh, so why the back door would be involved here? Was there some sort of a a tenative walk around there to check it out at some point? and he decided out of the two doors which one is the one easier to uh to break into to to break down. That that's unknown and will have to be determined of course later. There's a determination which way which way the person came in as opposed to which way the person left. I don't know that either and hopefully the investigators do know but uh uh but more camera uh

8:06 information of course will tell us about all of that. Um there is there's a couple of accounts on X that have tried to make the contrast higher on the photos and even bring out some color. Um we grabbed just one of them. This is from somebody who goes by Sophie on X. And um you can see a little bit more clearly. The gloves look black 100%. They don't look brown

8:29 and leather. Um and definitely leather. Uh, to me the jacket I don't know. Looks gray with lighter pants. I can't really tell. There's definitely What's that, Steve? There's a close-up of the face. I mean, he's got pretty wide. I mean, it's weird. He actually looks like he's wearing eyeliner to me in a way. He's got like Don't You see what I mean? Like, I thought it was like swimming goggles almost. It looked like when when I first saw it on my phone, that little first

9:01 Yeah. Yeah. And and it looks like there's something in his mouth. I can't tell whether maybe that's a light.

9:08 Camera. I'm sorry. Light. Yes. Light. It's Yeah, the light. But it's a slim It's almost like a It's a slim horizontal thing. I would have expected a round I don't know how flashlights come that could go into your mouth, but it does appear to be like a long flat like rectangular thing in his mouth. And the eyes look big, round, and like they have eyeliner, which typically means the person has black hair. Because trust me, we blondes, we do not like we look like we have eyeliner on when we are not wearing eyeliner, right?

9:42 Or he may have put eyeliner on because that's the only part of his face exposed beside the lips. He may actually have eyeliner on.

9:50 Well, here's the other question I have for you, though. What about I'll stand by. What? This is an aside. Brian Engine just reporting. A pizza delivery man just showed up to Nancy Guthri's house and was able to walk up to the front door without the deputies out front noticing. Oh my lord. Um, okay. Let's go back to eyeliner man. Um, he there's the fact that there's no car right behind him, you guys, is freaking me out because if you are showing up at this home to abduct a lady, an 84 year old, aren't you going to put your car right there? Like,

10:28 not for a long period. Right there so you can get her in. No. If you're afraid of if you're afraid of a camera being there, you'd at least, you know, you have to show yourself at some point, the mask and the jacket, all that stuff, you know, hidden hair, gloves, but you don't want to have your car uh uh obvious to the camera. So, that was somehow parked on an angle. Yes, it would make his job more difficult to carry, however he did it, uh, Mrs. Guthrie out the door to the car itself, but he looks like he's big enough, hefty enough, uh not lanky as we were saying earlier, that he could probably carry the 150lb woman to the car. And he would ideally like to have it closer, but uh from from a tactical perspective uh or counter uh forensic perspective, he wanted out of the sight of that camera. So, that would make more sense there. So, this guy, yeah, we got to give him uh credit again, air quotes

11:19 where where it's due. Uh he is somewhat forensically sophisticated with gloves, with hat. Uh Moren's right. Uh there could be touched when you put the gloves on, leather gloves, there could be touch DNA on top of that, which then could be uh uh left in some other part of the house, too. And that could be the break they're looking for. And a bunch of people are getting their mouth swabbed, I understand, pool people in the last 24 hours or so. And that could be a result of of again this video that's come out now. And they may have something.

11:46 A whole bunch of people are going to get ruled out quickly. You know, if you've got more Asian eye, this is not an Asian man. I think we can say that. It's not a black man. We can say that. Um, it's not a super tall man. We can say that. It's not

11:57 super thin man. Super slim man, but it's not a not it's not a hugely obese man either. Uh, as a medium build.

12:03 Wait, before we move on, they have very round eyes. Before we move on from how slim he is, he could have he could have something tucked under his jacket in the front to make him look fatter

12:14 or to make it look like he has a beer belly. We so we thought that about the brown person, but that was ruled out eventually. He was fat or had

12:23 Oh, I knew he was I knew he was by the way he walked with those fallen arches on the in, you know, you could tell he was

12:30 the Brown shooter. We're talking brown shooter. You're right. Oh, Brown University. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, hold on a second. This is Okay. Who's Well, who is this person? My My team is sending me things that are helpful, but I got to figure out who this is. It's an investigative journalist at town hall who's estimating he's between 510 and 5'11. We really we don't know. But he's actually checking he's looking out he's looking at the bricks. This is actually a thoughtful analysis because he's looking at the bricks that are there and coming up with an estimate based on the bricks and how they typically how big they typically are, how many inches they typically are to put him at about 510 and 5'11. I mean, my own armchair analysis suggested he was about six feet too. I can I can see that. Um, let's see. We don't you know,

13:18 can I mention something about the leather gloves? Yeah. So, when you're taking your

13:23 uh No, it Oh, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. Sorry. Say no. Go ahead. When you're taking off your leather gloves, you take them off sometimes finger by finger, right? So, you get your right hand off. Sometimes you just grab the whole like this whole part and pull. Other times you grab off finger to finger those. If there are fingerprints on the tips of those gloves and he touched things within the house, he could have transferred um a fingerprint onto a hard surface. It is possible.

13:54 And and right even just his DNA. Yeah, definitely DNA. He can get rid of the he get rid of the gloves. That doesn't even matter then. It's it's his DNA that that is linked to the touch DNA found in the house. So the clothing material becomes irrelevant then. And when you said why would

14:09 of him having touched nothing or slim Megan when you said earlier why would he take the body or whatever I I think obviously money was the motive. This is not an instance where you know we were speculating earlier on in this in this extravaganza we've been involved in that u maybe something went horribly wrong when there was an argument or something along those lines. That doesn't appear to be what happened now. the the it seems now this this was a kidnapping or or just a straight up murder where they remove the body. But remember you talked earlier when at the top of the hour where you were saying that you know if a gardener's fingerprints or DNA are in the house that's one thing. If he's in the kitchen or the restroom or something like that, but if it's on her bedding or on her nightstand, you know, that's a totally different deal. That may be why uh the body was removed if they went there

15:02 just to kill her. But I I it's still looking more and more like a kidnapping at this point

15:10 and somehow I mean but that somehow took over by taken over by someone you know starting with these emails and this Bitcoin thing down the line.

15:19 Can we say that like let's talk about that just for for one minute now that we know for sure there someone was there. I mean, we knew because the Nest cameras were destroyed that somebody got her, but now there's just no denying it's it's literally right there on tape. Um, should we spend another minute on just one minute before we say goodbye to the ransom notes? Um, on whether there's a possibility they were real? I mean, maybe they were real. Is is it they were real and and they've killed her now because they didn't get their payment and now that's it. Megan, I would argue if they were real and connected to this abductor or quite frankly connect not connected to this abductor that we're seeing the video images of, they would have shown proof of life. We discussed this at length yesterday and I I think you know Friday before we signed off. This is the it's the if not unwritten it's the written

16:11 written rule of kidnapping. Everyone realized you got to show this proof of life. And now we don't know what the what the Guthrie family did if they made the payment or not last night. six million or or more or less. So, we don't know, but uh

16:23 we don't think so because TMZ has the Bitcoin account numbers and it's reporting today that there's no money in there, that no one has made a deposit in there.

16:32 But Megan, what what if you listen to the FBI's um statement that they put out, they said, "We know of no other communication between the kidnapper and the Guthrie family." Jim can speak to this at extensively. I'm sure there are a lot of times where they'll find a side road into the family and and set up a different account and whatever, right, Jim?

16:56 Oh, yeah. That happens all the time. Yeah. I mean, in these types of deals, not for-profit kidnappings as we're seeing here, but uh where there's other hidden accounts that people no one else allegedly knows about and the money could be deposited there. But, uh yeah, there there's just so many this does change somewhat. We we knew she was abducted and I always was skeptical whether it was for that it was for profit. Again, revenge or uh or um or something else. If it's for revenge, something against the family, maybe they just didn't want the family seeing the body in the house uh and they wanted, you know, to save the family from that. It almost sounds like that, you know, there'd be some other set of rules put in there for them. This this is so unusual on so many different levels and unprecedented that um we're all learning here along the way quite frankly and uh the investigators know

17:48 more than we do and these videos add a lot to what we needed to have but I think Moren and you and I talked you know about this and and Megan we talked on the air it doesn't surprise me that this is the kind of person that came to the door we didn't rule out someone knows a young girl hey my car broke down can I use your phone we didn't rule that out but it's more likely going to be something like what we see here, secretive in the middle of the night, uh, wellprepared, missionoriented, I use that term a lot, to get in the door, which they eventually did. Why 41 minutes in the door? That is still unclear in the house, I should say. Um, but that will come out at some point probably. And then somehow this woman is carried out to a car parked at least a little at least a little bit down the driveway out of the range of the camera.

18:33 Then they had to decide what they're going to do on that on that front. um some uh that a helpful Twitter user who goes by Chillanoi has slowed down the video and where he approaches and you can see that he is coming in from the left. We're going to show it. He's he's coming in from the side of the property right there. You can't quite see it in the video we're showing, but he's coming in from the left around the bend of the left there,

19:00 which would be consistent with maybe he does have a car. Smart enough not to Yeah. not to park it right in front where the Nest camera could get him.

19:12 I mean, clearly you guys, you tell me, but clearly he had cased he had cased the joint prior, right? Like,

19:17 no doubt. No doubt. He he knew there was a Nest camera. He knew where to park and where not to park. He knew where the vegetation was. He seems pretty calm. He's not like panicking running around, right? Like

19:31 he seems joint. Imagine. How could that be? He's been there. Imagine what you're about to do.

19:41 He's been there before or someone he knows has been there before and gave him a very distinctive and specific description of the place. I'm convinced of that. But imagine the mindset of getting breaking into a house, destroying cameras. I mean, when you're prepping yourself for this act and you're walking up to the door, you pull out your you've got your gun right there. For an 84 year old woman, why do you even need a gun? Unless you're just trying to scare her into opening some safe, open some documents, something along that line, but nothing was missing. And then you're trying to prepare yourself for harming her, which it shows this this offender, whoever he was, had a proclivity and a predisposition toward hurting people because she was bleeding on her way out.

20:25 So there's just no doubt about that. You know, what type of offender ha can do this type of thing? What type of person Jim?

20:34 Well, I would argue a psychopath and on the scale of psychopathy somewhere. uh and the you know narcissistic has no feelings of empathy doesn't care about other people and he just says you know this is a mission I'm on we don't know the purpose of the mission yet the motivation that is but uh perhaps you know uh profit uh oriented to some degree just get rid of the body don't worry about the kidnapping part and these other people kick in with the uh with the alleged kidnapping uh with the bitcoin so it's uh it's it's so far a mystery wrapped up in a in a riddle uh but maybe the enigma part is Now that we see these uh these videos and this is going to generate a lot of activity on the part of this offender as well as uh people that possibly know him. Again, Tucson, local to Tucson, did he drive, you know, all day long to get there, then left the scene? These are factors that we're going to have to determine.

21:26 They say you don't, you know, you don't want to poop where you eat. I'll be polite here. So, I can't imagine this guy being a nextoor neighbor or even around the block, but uh uh from around the block, but uh but they're going to keep all angles open and all avenues open to find out who this person is and not rule out geography as being a factor.

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Who speaks in "Could Mystery Potential Suspect Caught on Camera at Nancy Guthrie House Be a PROFESSIONAL Hitman?"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Moren (Guest), Jim (Guest).

What is "Could Mystery Potential Suspect Caught on Camera at Nancy Guthrie House Be a PROFESSIONAL Hitman?" about?

The discussion centers on the investigation of a potential suspect caught on camera at Nancy Guthrie's house, raising questions about his possible identity as a professional hitman. The analysis contrasts the suspect's appearance with that of the brother-in-law and explores the rarity of true professional hitmen, emphasizing that such cases are often influenced by organized crime, like the…

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The episode runs 23 min; the transcript is about 4,543 words in 55 timestamped sections.

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