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0:00 Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. The Senate unanimously agreeing to pass the Housebacked bill forcing the Justice Department to release the Jeffrey Epstein case files with some notable exceptions. It's on its way to President Trump, who has done a complete 180 and now says he supports the release of the files. But get ready for the spin from the left, who are working overtime to shift the narrative entirely. Plus, Joy Reid, we actually have something nice to say about her. She did something very good. We'll tell you what it is. Joining me now for reaction, Buck Ston, co-host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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1:17 That's firstliberty.org/megan. Paid for by Firstliberty Institute. Welcome back, Buck. Great to have you.

1:24 Hey, Megan. Thank you so much. How's that for a tease on Joy Reid? Okay, let's start with the weirdness that I I don't even know what this is. I maybe you can explain it to me as a former CIA guy. This Democrat military video where you've got Senator Elise Slotkin, who's truly terrible. She pretends to be moderate, but she's actually a rabid leftist. and Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, who's a Democrat, married to Gabby Gfords, um, for some reason decided to urge US troops to ignore any illegal orders. Not even exactly sure what they're saying here.

2:03 It feels very insurrection-y. Here it is. We want to speak directly to members of the military

2:09 and the intelligence community who take risks each day to keep Americans safe. We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. Americans trust their military,

2:18 but that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniform military and intelligence community professionals

2:25 against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution.

2:31 And right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.

2:36 Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders.

2:42 You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our constitution.

2:48 We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant. But whether you're serving in the CIA,

2:53 the Army, our Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical. And know that we have your back

2:59 because now more than ever, the American people need you. We need you to stand up for our laws,

3:05 our Constitution, and who we are as Americans. Don't give up. Don't give up. Don't give up.

3:11 Don't give up the ship. Oh lord. Pete Hexath tweeted out in response to this. This is stage 4 TDS. What What are they doing?

3:22 Well, first off, it's funny. Slotkin was like me, a CIA analyst working the Iraq issue, although we uh didn't didn't coincide or I didn't actually work directly with her, but uh yeah, um the CIA cannot afford any more damage to its reputation than it has suffered in the last uh well, depending who you ask, decade or many decades. Um but that's just uh the whole video Megan is really an extension of that. remember the hashtagresistance? That was the big thing in the initial uh Trump administration. People just saying resist, you know, do anything you can.

3:58 And there was that guy who pretended to be. Now he pops up on MSNBC as like a third tier panelist.

4:03 Anonymous. Yeah. Anonymous. And and people were like, if this isn't if this isn't Jared Kushner, clearly it wasn't, but like if this isn't somebody really important, this is the most grandiose uh preposterous essay ever written. And sure enough, it was some preposterous stoogge. Uh and yet here we are again with people who are effectively saying throw sand in the gears of government. Uh do whatever you can. Now I know what they're going to say. Oh, an illegal order. You can't f Okay, what's the illegal order? If they're illegal or

4:31 even talking about no one even knows what they're talking about, but this but what I'm saying is if there's illegal orders, tell us what they are. Tell us what the problem is. What? Why are you reminding us? You know, this would be like Megan badgering a witness on the stand. Excuse me, sir. Do you know that you're under oath for the fifth time? the judge is going to be like, "Yeah, we all know they're under oath. What What are you doing?" Right? It's it's meant to be kind of an underhanded swipe at the administration.

4:54 And and I also think it's their attempt to start to lay the groundwork if you really want to know. I think that they're if we have a Democrat administration, heaven forbid, in 2028, uh they're going to try to uh bring effectively a war crimes tribunal together over these strikes on the narot terrorists. I mean, I I think you can you can basically set a timer to that.

5:14 Okay. So, is that what you think it is? Because I I genuinely didn't know what they're It's not an effective ad because I I'm very immersed in politics and I have no idea what they're addressing. I was like, are they talking about ICE? You know, because they've been pushing the lie that ICE is running out there arresting American citizens. Um, is that what it is or is it the narco strikes? Like, is that an illegal order where, you know, President Trump has designated these cartels as foreign terrorist organizations? They're trying to bring in lethal chemicals to kill our sons and daughters. I have no idea. So, who exactly are they talking to like the the guys who run those bombers who are taking out those narco ships? What do you think?

5:51 Yeah, I think that their plan is that they're going to again it do they have control of the senate? Do they have control of the house? Do they have the white house? Right. That's going to factor into this hugely. Um but let's just say they take the house. They're going to really push on this issue. Uh they uh are are right now setting the groundwork. They think that the strikes, meaning the Democrats, the Democrat establishment, and I've talked to people who, let's just say, in the national security sphere, are already seeing the rumblings of this. Uh, you know, already seeing the beginnings of it. So, this isn't just me coming up with this out of out of thin air. Um, although again, I worked in the CIA, so I have some idea of how these things go. They are going to say that these are war crimes and that these are illegal strikes and that they're unjustified, and they're going to hold a whole bunch of hearings over

6:37 it. It'll be a bit like uh for Democrats a revisit of, you know, black sites and waterboarding and oh my gosh, now the problem they're gonna run into, Megan, I just want to throw this out there uh and and from your from your legal mind, I think you'll appreciate this a lot, is that Barack Obama droned American citizens without trial abroad,

6:56 including a 16-year-old. And there was no, you know, this was just a 16-year-old US citizen. You go back to the Anwar Alaki stuff and they tried very hard not to have this out in the press and they still pretend like oh well well this was uh something that maybe happened maybe it didn't happen. I mean this is what the New York Times and all these others have have ended up reporting. So if you're allowed to drone American citizens who are not engaged in any active anything other than plotting, right? You can say they were plotting like Anir Alaki, didn't Obama set this precedent? Also the massive acceleration of the drone strikes in parts of Pakistan, the Northwest Frontier Province, the federally administered tribal areas, you know, Wazeristan, uh they're blowing up people left and right, including women and children by accident, but it didn't.

7:40 Which he bragged about. Obama bragged about how good he was at killing people with his drones

7:45 and and Exactly. And so that all happened. And so what you're going to see is they try to say, "Well, that's different. That was war on terror." And really it's different because he's a Democrat. He was Obama, the sainted Obama. Um but I I really do think that that's the plan here. And this this ad is the beginning of them creating this whole, you know, it's like no kings, war crimes. You're starting to see the the beginning elements of the hashtag resistance come back together again. So I I really seriously question the effectiveness of this whole messaging because in no way to diminish what happened on 911 or what happened thereafter. But we have lost more people to fentinel in this country young people than we lost in in 9/11 and the post years including all the firefighters and all the military blood and treasure that we sacrificed. like the the the human toll on this fentanyl crisis is beyond

8:37 measure and it's of our youngest, best, brightest, you know, kids who have it all in front of them who make one mistake and take a a pill they thought was an aderall that's laced with fentanyl and they're dead. And it's that is what Trump is trying to get at as these Venezuelan drug ships try to come up to America and elsewhere uh from south of the border to poison our children. Like, find me the American who's got a long list of sympathetic thoughts on those drug boats and thinks they ought to be allowed to come here and then we'll just see if we can catch them. Who the hell has sympathy for these the people driving these boats to our border? I

9:14 I think there's much broader public support quite honestly for these strikes than the Democrats anticipated. And and on the human toll, you know, I have a a dear friend uh I believe you know him as well, Megan, Steven Yates at the Heritage Foundation. He lost his daughter two years ago to fentinyl poisoning. Um and and he was having to deal with that just last month, the anniversary of losing losing his daughter. And when when you understand when you're near somebody who suffered the direct human toll, the unimaginable loss of a family member. And as you rightly point out, fentinyl is not marijuana. It's not cocaine. This is a different thing. This is far more d far more addictive and far more deadly than any other substance that's been part of the war on drugs ever before. And I sat in a meeting years ago with a attorney general and a bunch of his staff where they were discussing the use that the

10:09 cartels make of press machines to seem to to make it seem like the uh fentinel pills that are sold on the street look like the actual pharmaceutical stuff that people will take sometime. So you think you're taking a Xanax to your point about poisoning, but it's actually made in some vat in a lab somewhere in in Mexico with Chinese precursors and it kills the person who takes it on the first dose because there's no dosage control because it's from the cartels. But they make it look like it's from big pharma because people think that's safer. So that's the level of deviousness here. That's what's happened uh to so many Americans uh and and we're losing so many of them and what we've been doing isn't stopping it. Right. So that's the the other part of this is we can continue to lose

10:53 a 100,000 Americans a year to this or we can change the game and that's the Trump approach.

11:00 That's so right. Um a moment on Alyssa Slotkin before we leave this topic. I can't stand her. I sat in on the Pete Hexath confirmation hearings. She stood out in her terribleness. Here's just a reminder of who she is and how she tries tries to talk about how reasonable she is. I'm from Michigan. The same voters who elected President Trump voted for me. So, I get them. I totally get them. And I'm former CIA. I'm I'm of this industry, so I understand the military. But here's who she really is. Watch.

11:30 Is there anything that a commander-in-chief could ask you to do with the uniform military that would be in violation of the US Constitution?

11:37 Senator, anybody of any party could give an order that is against the Constitution or against the law.

11:44 Right. Okay. So, and are you so are you saying that you would stand in the breach and push back if you were given an illegal order?

11:50 I start by saying I reject the premise that President Trump understands at all.

11:56 My my This isn't a hypothetical. Okay. You're again, you're going to be in charge of 3 million people. The active duty that I know you care about. I believe you care about. So, have you been in conversations about using the active duty in any way? Whether it's setting up in detention camps, policing dangerous cities. Have you been involved in any of those conversations?

12:17 Certainly, I have been involved in conversations relating to doing things this administration has not, which is secure the southern border.

12:25 Sir, sir, I get your filibustering. I get it. I She's so annoying. Is she so self argandizing and congratulatory? And there she was there. If you if you played out the whole thing, Buck, she she continued the whole cross- examination of Pete was about how Trump is going to give an illegal order and he's going to execute it. And here she's back again. What illegal order has been given? They're making it up. There is no illegal order. Like, and by the way, Trump has immunity for orders given in his capacity as commander-in-chief. The US Supreme Court just so found a ruling with which she should be very familiar.

13:05 Yes. Well, this is playing right into Trump derangement syndrome. I I know there was recently a guest I saw on Fox who's a psychotherapist and he said that he's dealing with a lot of patients who should be described as having a clinical Trumpbased anxiety disorder and that is what Trump derangement syndrome is. Uh these people are not rational. um they they don't care what's actually happening and the Democrats are able to mobilize them and keep them in this state of frenzy by these really these insinuations and that's what this would would you follow a lawful I mean an unlawful order from from Donald Trump it's like what's the unlawful as I started out saying what's the unlawful order where is he this is the administration

13:48 we don't know yeah this is the administration that every time some grandiose Obama or Biden or maybe even Clinton appointed a judge decides to usurp the executive branch for himself. This administration goes, "All right, we'll see you in court. We'll deal with this again." You know, we'll go to appeals. We'll go to the Supreme Court. We'll do what we have to do. These are not the actions of someone uh of an administration that doesn't care about the rule of law and that isn't doing things as as they're supposed to be done, despite whatever the Democrats tell themselves and and how frenzied and and maniacal they get on this issue. So, this is really it's just bad.

14:23 They're dying to be the victims. They're dying to be like victims of his his legal excesses and oh my god, we knew he was going to issue an illegal order and now he's doing it without even specifying what the hell they're talking about. It's a it's a failure on a PR level and it will be a failure if they pursue it legally.

14:41 People are saying that he's a Nazi and if you really think that Nazism has taken over America, you belong in a straight jacket in a rubber room. Like you need a lot of help. I mean, literally, Mark Lean was calling me a Nazi two weeks ago. That term is grossly overused. It is a joke now. And because of like him, they've taken a a term that has actual teeth to it, and they're working on diminishing that one, too. It used to be a leftist tactic with the word racist and bigot. Now, it's a right-wing tact by tactic by guys like Mark Levin, who have lost it.

15:15 Actually truly lost it and need, in my view, psychological help. All right, let's keep going to Epstein because lots of news in that. Why do you think Trump reversed himself after like literally a week and a half ago was called Lauren Boowart, Republican into the situation room to reportedly lean into her to not vote for this Jeffrey Epstein file release bill that was making its way through the House? Like he was picking on individual Republicans to get them not to vote for it. She wouldn't agree. And then within hours, Trump did a 180 saying, "I'm in I'm in favor of it. Now I'm in favor of it." Which led to a a near unanimous passage of the bill in the House and then a unanimous passage of the bill in the Senate, which prior to that reversal, there's a question about whether it would even get a vote in the Senate. Now, it not only got a vote, it passed immediately last night.

16:06 Now, it's headed for his desk where he says he's going to sign it. And I have my own theory on why he did the 180

16:14 and what's going to be withheld um because he does control the DOJ that's got these files. But what's your what's your take on it? I I just want this issue to be something that we have the full transparency needed to move beyond uh at least in in the day-to-day uh this this sort of constant what I view as the speculation Olympics because what happens is people just approach this you know not you and and I hope you know not me but a lot of people it's just an opportunity to try to create some fable where Donald Trump is actually at the center of this and he's a bad guy and the Democrats are so desperate for that. Okay. But on on the Trump part of this, uh, here's what I see. Knowing Trump for a having met him a very long time ago and having known him obviously throughout the administration, uh, his two his two administrations, I would say he does not like to be told what to do. And I know

17:07 that sounds very basic and what does that have to do with this? He he didn't want these released. and the fact that the base is effectively demanding in the Trump base and I know this because of my radio show I I hear from them every day. The Trump base is demanding Epstein file transparency. So he doesn't like to be uh feeling like he's overruled. So I think there's just a stubbornness quite honestly with this. And then I think from Trump and I think that there's a which has been overcome and I think that there's a frustration from Trump as well that now here we go again. you know, the, you know, he's going to be like the fake news, ABC, CBS, you know, they're saying that like I'm involved in this.

17:46 We've already been over this. We've talked about it a million times. I mean, the timing of this from the House Democrats releasing some of it right when the shutdown turned into a giant belly flop of epic proportions for them. Uh, that was obvious and he was right to call that out, Megan. So, I I don't I I am absolutely confident uh that there's nothing in there that is truly derogatory about Donald Trump. There might be some things that people can insinuate, and they will, but I don't think there's anything that's truly derogatory or or I should say um shows culpability of any kind. And I think that he's just frustrated with all the the stuff around this. I will say the administration made some big mess ups here. um and not Trump but some of the people that work for him. Yeah, they screwed up on that and they just did and we have to be honest about that. The binders that was that was foolish

18:38 looking and then the Pam Bondi talking about it and not talking about it and what's going to happen and I have them on my desk. So, there were PR missteps but that's a world of difference from Donald Trump is hiding the smoking gun. He's not hiding the smoking gun. People need to get a grip. The walls are not closing in on him and I hope that finally when these files come out that will be that. It's so disgusting because the media's determination to make this story about Donald Trump has completely bastardized the whole story. The story is not about Trump. It's about Jeffrey Epstein and his disgusting pals who were using and abusing and sexually molesting young women for years. Uh they're they have nothing nothing to suggest that Trump was one of them. He was friends with Jeffrey Epste, but the main alleged victim they've been pointing to on Trump is on the record under oath saying Trump

19:29 never touched her and that she never saw him with another woman. And all these alleged victims who keep going on NBC and so on, they all say, "No, nothing on Trump." There is not a single woman who has said, "Yes, I was trafficked by Epstein to Trump." There's one who says Trump walked into a house with Epstein and allegedly fondled her upon meeting her. Okay, that's that's what the best they have. so far and they're waiting for some sort of smoking gun in these materials. So, I think Trump did his 180 because he had to. He knew he was going to lose it. Like the the Republicans were determined to vote yes on this.

20:02 His base was demanding finally. His his base was like, "No, we need this." And so, he said, "Okay."

20:07 But he doesn't he doesn't mind flipping the bird to his base, you know? He's like he always he's quick to remind them, I'm I'm the boss here. But it he was going to lose the vote in the house. And he didn't want to look like

20:17 he did tell the base that they did something he didn't want the first time around. Basically, he was like, "Shut up, guys. We're done talking about this." But they didn't stop talking about it. And

20:25 yeah. So, I think he had to do the 180 just to save face. And then that made the ball, you know, go even faster in the House and then the Senate and now he's got to sign it. But look, there are enough exceptions to what the DOJ has to turn over that if Trump were really worried about a document or two, there is the potential that he could just designate it classified and we wouldn't see it. They're not turn they're not releasing classified documents. Um, and they're not releasing anything that would reflect identities of victims and so on. Like, look, I I don't I don't believe for one second that the Epstein scandal is about Trump, nor do I believe Trump trafficked girls, nor do I believe Trump ever raped or sexually assaulted a girl in that we're going to see in these files or or that's that's even in these files. But I do think something has gone on that that changed his opinion. And given that he controls the DOJ, Pam

21:12 Bondi answers to him, he's got to have some level of comfort that nothing's going out there that's going to completely crush him because otherwise I think he'd be standing where he stood in July, which is we're not doing this. Move the hell on.

21:28 Yeah. I I think that this was one of the rare times where Trump through the pressure, you cannot bend Trump if you are anti-Trump, right? I mean, that's like his his he has an invincibility, an unstoppable force when it comes to if you're a Trump hater, if you're Trump deranged, he doesn't care what you say, he doesn't care what you do. It is a rare occasion when Trump voters can say, you know, effectively, Mr. President, we need you to do this and you can't tell us that we don't want this. And this is, I think, one of those occasions. You point out rightly that he was going to lose the vote in Congress if he didn't go along with this, but that's because Trump voters were telling people in Congress, true, you you know, you jokers better get this done. We're watching you, too. Right? So, it was really a a ground swell of everybody including the, you know, the or everybody rather on the Trump side saying, "We can't let this

22:23 thing go. We actually have to get more transparency out there." And so, that's that's where we are. But yeah, I have no, you know, there have been times where something's going to drop and it's going to hurt somebody on the right and maybe it's even going to hurt Trump. And I'm I'm like, look, I got to brace for impact. Going to speak about it honestly. Uh we'll we'll work through this. This is not one of those times. Like I'm I'm not sitting here saying to myself, oh my gosh, when the files come out, how are we going to explain whatever's in there about Trump? First of all, if he did anything wrong,

22:50 people on the right would be outraged about it, but we know he didn't because we would already know. We know who ran the DOJ before Pam Bondi. Merrick Garland who tried to put Trump in jail repeatedly. We the thought that there's something in the DOJ back pocket that would totally incriminate Trump is a Democrat fantasy. It's not going to come true. Let's keep going because there's other Epstein news including this. She's not a congresswoman because she's from the Virgin Islands which is a territory, not a state. So, uh, but her name is, uh, Stacy Plaset, and it's come out that she was texting with Jeffrey Epstein while she was conducting a congressional hearing.

23:31 She was cross-examining Michael Cohen, taking his suggestions on exactly what he should ask Michael Cohen in in the best way to set up Trump and get Trump, which and it was all after after um it was clear that he had plead guilty to solicitation of prostitution with a minor, which as I always remind people is not a thing. If you're solicitating if you're soliciting sex with a minor, you're raping somebody. there's no consenting for a minor to prostitution. Minor prostitution is not a thing. Um, in any event, she had no problem corresponding with Epstein post that.

24:08 And then the Miami Herald piece broke, which really blew the whole Epstein scandal wide open in November of 2018. And this is post that. So, this is post that where she's texting with him. It's February of 2019. She's texting with him like he's her bff on how to get the goods from Michael Cohen. So now the House decided, should we censure her for doing this? This is so disgusting and it's really given us a black eye. And they decided not to. The the vote was very close, but it did not pass. and Buck um Hakee Jeff goes out there and says "Oh um I want to get the quote exactly during the debate on the resolution suggested Republicans were targeting Plasket

24:52 because of her race." Oh, the race car. That's the reason. Couldn't see that one coming a mile away. Yeah.

24:59 Yeah. Do you believe this crap? Uh, look, here's here's something else that Trump has been saying about this issue. And I I truly believe that he is he is frustrated that this is still a thing that we have to talk about. And as I said, the administration made some missteps and fed into that a bit. Um, and some of the administration figures, including people I like and respect very much, were kind of part of fanning these flames and then trying to douse them, which is a little bit of a, you know, a difficult a difficult dance to do. like fanning the flames of we need transparency and then it's well I mean we gave you as much transparency as we can like that was a tough that was a tough

25:34 you're good yeah that was a tough turnabout um but I would say on on the broader issue

25:40 Trump is saying look at who was really involved with Epstein meaning and when I say involved I want to be very clear because I also think it's important ethically and legally to be very specific and I would caution other people out there in the commentary space or listening to this or just you know in their own social media media like don't accuse people of things for which there is no evidence, especially when you're talking about sex crimes because they will and should sue you and will win. Okay? Because you can't go around saying someone's, you know, a pedophile because you don't like them.

26:11 Um, and I think that there's going to be a lot of people that are trying to find something in this in this trove of of released documents so that they can attack their political enemies, right? So that that's one part of it. But it's Democrats who were involved as friends, associates, longtime companions, frequent companions at the island on the plane. You know, it's it's Bill Gates, it's Bill Clinton, it's it's Reed Hoffman, it's I mean, you know, you go down the list, these are all Democrats.

26:38 Larry Summers, Larry Summers, who's just with the CCP daughter, you know, the Chinese Communist Party. That's an amazing story, by the way, that that isn't getting more attention. Larry Summers, one of the senior most really the the Treasury Secretary uh in a sense of the Democrats over the course of like 20 years. He's trying to seduce the daughter of a top Chinese Communist Party member and and is like passing pronouncements on US China policy and he's already married and he's going to Jeffrey Epstein for advice. You would think that would be a Could you imagine if that was a Republican? Imagine if that was like Ted Cruz instead of Larry Summers, like a big figure on the right.

27:16 It would and like a like a nervous perverted little school boy being like, "Jeffrey, is she a prostitute? Jeffrey, what should I do? Jeffrey, this is all post the scandal." Like he just like Plasket knew full well what Ebstein had pleaded guilty to, was being accused of. They didn't care. Larry Summers kept his relationship going with Jeffrey Epstein well beyond that Miami Herald report. He didn't care. And just as a reminder to the audience, the Miami Herald report blew open the number of victims who had come forward, alleged victims, back in 28, 2008 when he pleaded guilty to those two crimes, but that there were literally three dozen young women who had come forward saying, "Me too, me too, me too." And so that that broke in November of 18. And still Larry Summers and Plask and a long list of others were like, "No problem for me, Larry. It's it's me, Larry. Jeffrey, please help me figure out my love life. Keep going.

28:10 Yeah. H how did Jeffrey Epstein get such a hold psychologically over some of these incredibly powerful, influential, and wealthy men. Um and and I really do mean that as a question.

28:24 Very good question. I I know there are Yeah, I know there are a lot of possible answers, but I do think we should get closer to the actual answer or answers uh on that because to your point, this guy was the Treasury Secretary and he's acting like just some like weirdo buffoon on this issue going to Jeffrey Epstein who's a who's a convicted at this point convicted sex criminal. Like I I I don't

28:51 He's He's on the sex offender list, right? He's on the sex offender list. I mean, I always remember uh Christopher Hitchens had this test. He's like, he's like, is someone too gross? He's like, well, if you're sitting down at lunch with somebody and they say, you know, I did a couple of years for tax evasion, do you finish the lunch? Yeah. You know, I mean, you shouldn't have paid your taxes, but you paid your debt to society, you know, tax evasion. It's like, if you sat down with somebody and they said, you know, I I had, you know, committed like a violent sex crime or underage sex crime. Do you finish the lunch? No, you do not finish. You know, you're like, what the heck? I raped a minor.

29:24 Yeah, I raped a minor. Sure. How about dessert? You're you're not you're not f you know, you're you're adjourning the meeting, right? And so all these people who were around uh who were around Epstein seem to be willfully turning I don't even it's not even turning a blind eye. I mean, they just I guess they didn't care. Um and then the other part of this though, and I wanted to get to this because this is still and I would I would ask anybody we will hear people say things like, "Well, we know where Jeffrey Epstein's money came from." That is a lie. That is not true. Yeah, we do not.

29:53 We do not know where his money came from. I mean, we for some some reason this kind of gets chirped around. Oh, we know where his money came from. We absolutely do not. You can go on AI AI choice. I'm a Grock man myself, but you go on AI of your choice and say, where did Epste's money come from? And it'll say not really clear. A bunch of Megan $600 million. You know, you know, this is the kind of money that and that's what they found. I'm sure there was more that was stashed in numbered accounts in some of those little jurisdictions where people still can hide money.

30:22 $600 million. People say that he was a tax expert. I have a tax expert. Great guy, by the way. But he's not worth $600 million. You know what I'm saying? Like this this is you you don't make someone gifted him. Have you ever seen that? I mean, I you know, you you spent a lot of time in Manhattan, too. You ever seen the house that Epstein lived in? It was

30:42 It's the nicest biggest house in Manhattan, or at least at the time. It's like I mean, it is like a Rockefeller era mansion extraordinaire. I think it's something like an $80 million home and it was given to him. Now the thing about money is that you can trace it.

31:00 You can follow these flows. Why don't we have I want to see more so even than um you know a lot of the a lot of the questions that are sort of floating around now because I think that if there was anything again I think if there was something in this release we would have already found out. This is what I've been saying about all the JFK files, by the way, and that's also been true. I was in the CIA. Super cool secret stuff doesn't stay secret for long because somebody eventually wants to be the one who blows the whistle on it. Um, but I want to know where the money came from cuz I think that's the single most powerful.

31:32 The the the townhouse was gifted by Victoria's Secret founder Lex Wexner, right? And I mean, I think a lot of us have questions about how close he was to Epstein, why for how long, why he continued it, and why he would give him these extraordinary gifts. Would love to know more.

31:50 Yeah. And and that's so that's okay. That's that's the $80 million house. $600 million stat. This guy had a private island and was running his own, you know, was running his own jet all over the world and getting all these people. He was able to impress with his wealth and connections the wealthiest and most powerful people,

32:11 not all of them obviously, but a number of them. Prince Andrew on the planet. Bill Clinton.

32:17 Yeah, Bill Gates. A long list. All right, let's keep going. So, I mean, just, you know, Bill Gates is like, "Wow, this guy's really got something." What does he got, Bill? You got a lot of money. Why are Why are you flying, you know,

32:26 and let's not forget why Bill Gates's marriage broke up. Melinda Gates is on record as saying one of the reasons was she was very uncomfortable with his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and also he has a serious pension for young women and seems to be somewhat of a sexual dog for somebody his age. I mean he seems to like him, you know, on the younger side and the parties with the young women and infidelity to his wife allegedly. And look, it's disgusting. doesn't mean he's a sexual predator, but as long as we're taking a hard look at all of Jeffrey Epstein's associates like Donald Trump, no man who was close to him is safe. We're allowed to look at Gates. We're allowed to look at Summers.

33:06 We're allowed to look at Clinton. And thanks to Trump, we will be having a DOJ investigation into some of them. Okay, I want to get to this because it's just so dumb.

33:14 Um, Jasmine Crockett, she's so dumb. I knew you were going to say her name, by the way, just based on the way you were setting this up. She's so dumb. Here she is in Sop 4. Let's listen.

33:26 Folks who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epstein as I had my team dig in very quickly. Mitt Romney, the NRCC, Lee Zeldon, George Bush, Win Red, McCain Palin, Rick Lazio. I just want to be clear. If this is the standard that we gonna make, just know we gonna expose it all.

33:53 Oh my god. She's talking about uh Dr. Jeffrey Epstein, who who's not the Jeffrey Epstein who made those donations. Her crack team uncovered the latest list of possible predators. No, no, no. Honestly, she's lucky she said that on the House floor cuz she could get sued like that if she didn't. She's too dumb to be a member of Congress. And that's saying something.

34:17 There was a story and I this is sounding like a diversion, but it just reminds me too much of this. There was a story at at Amoris, my college, uh where where the like the student committee that invites speakers, this is back in like the I don't know the the early 80s or something when people still use phone books. They wanted to have Jesse Jackson and so they invited the Reverend Jesse Jackson from Chicago to come speak and and they they no one figured out until the reverend arrived that it was a different Reverend Jesse Jackson.

34:46 Oh no. Yeah. Oh, this just happened to the was it the Guardian who tried to interview Bill Delasio, former mayor of New York.

34:55 I love that guy. And they they got the wrong Bill Delasio who gave him a big interview about his thoughts on it was totally the wrong guy.

35:02 I give this guy the the the act. First of all, you know what Bill Delasio is? I I've been, you know, when I used to fill in for for Rush, I remember I popularized this and people in the Rush audience will remember this. Do you know what Bill Delasio's name was? Warren Wilhelm. He changed his name.

35:19 What? Yes. Go check it out. Go check it. And no one ever believes me. Grock it. Everybody go check it out.

35:26 That's a much better name than Bill Delasio. Bill Delasio. Hey, he wanted to be Bill Delasio, the union guy. You know, you could trust him. You know, Bill Delasio from down the block. He changed his name. His name was Warren Wilhelm, and he changed it. And I just think that that's one of the like most kind of astonishing name changes. Um, but

35:42 it's very telling. By the way, I was wrong. It wasn't Guardian. It was Times of London just before the record. I mean, honestly, that like the irresponsibility of just, you know, throwing things out there as a as a sitting representative is

35:55 Can we just for a second the Bill Delasio guy who's not Bill Delasio giving his thoughts on the mayor's race. I love that guy. That guy's amazing.

36:04 I know. He's like, "Hey, they they wanted my thoughts. I'm M Donnie, so I gave them." The Times of London was just doing a spiral uh for days thereafter. Okay. Um, Cara Swisser has some thoughts on where this release of the Epstein files, which is coming uh, now after it's been passed by both houses of Congress and is going to Trump's desk on where this is going. Here she is in stop five. I do think this is it. There is definitely a photo of him in some fashion. And so if there's a photo I think you know the the the grabbing thing was voice which was problematic enough but there's a photo like what happened to Andrew I I think it's game over and then we have president J

36:46 but if forced to speculate wait hold on you think this ends his presidency prematurely.

36:51 Yes. He'll be sick. He'll be I do I think he's not going to make it to the end.

36:57 Be careful what you wish for. I think JD Vance is I agree. Hello. I just called him a couch to San Francisco.

37:06 Just checking in on the normal left. So, this the Epstein thing will bring the Trump presidency down and JD Vance is a couch according to Cara Swish.

37:16 Yeah. Uh those are supposed to be like the two leading intellectuals of of the new left or the you know the the establish the sort of new establishment left if you will because they're on the podcast side. Uh, and you know, Cara Swisser, my only interaction with her ever was her just astonished that I didn't think that masks outside was a good policy. So, I mean, I'm one of these people who looks at them like these are not smart people. I mean, maybe they have the

37:39 she's really hateful. Uh, yeah. Really really nasty. Um, and I would say on the on the Trump thing, I mean, she's what does she want to bet that this doesn't, you know, this is I I wish we could start doing this now where I just say, you know what? What do you want? What do you want to put up? How much money do you want to put up that there's no photo of Trump? It's not going to end his pres presidency. But Megan, the problem is the Democrat audience has been so conditioned for, oh my gosh, we finally got him that anything that isn't we finally got Trump doesn't get attention. In fact, people get angry at those who will say, look guys, like let's think about the midterms. You know, the country's not actually on fire. No, you can't say that as a Democrat. You have to say that Trump is Hitler. You have to say these insane things. And she's just playing into that. what she said is manifestly

38:26 stupid and in a week or or in a day or whatever it is when we see what comes out of this it won't be true and what she said will look asinine but she'll just move on to something else and and that's the plan but

38:38 remember when James Carville predicted that Trump wasn't even going to make it to midFebruary of 2025 on his term that like he was going to this was the beginning of the end um he was going down he was going to implode it was like these these like hardcore Trump deranged Democrats view who are in the public eye like issuing opinions for a living.

39:00 You know this, they view it as like dropping Well, let me finish. They they view it as like dropping like little dollops of cocaine on the tongues of their listeners, right? Like, I'm going to give you like an upper. I'm going to make your serotonin surge with exactly what I know you want to hear. And it's not it's just so opposite of the business we're supposed to be in, which is speaking hard truths and like staying in the field of reality.

39:25 Yeah. They take this all very personally because, and I think that always has to be remembered, the anti-Trump media lost. He beat them. He defeated them. Uh not just in getting elected the first time, but even more so in getting elected the second time when they had the full force of a of a of a corrupt and scenile presidency. and its DOJ henchmen and all of the establishment Democrat media array against Trump to to stop him from becoming president and and now also uh because of shows like this one and and also the ability to say things freely on X, they just don't have the same hold on the public's mind and and even the public's imagination that they used to. And that I bring it up because they're deeply resentful. The New York Times to well-informed people is a joke. It is not an objective entity. It is not fair. It is not uh it is not taking the approach of journalism. Yeah, it says things that

40:24 are true, but that doesn't mean that it's doing so in order to spread the truth. It also says a lot of stuff that's absolute crap and that it's dishonest. Just like CNN, fundamentally dishonest about the mission. The mission is not to inform the public in a neutral way about what matters. It is to program the public based on a previously set ideology, an orthodoxy that if you don't adhere to in any of these newsrooms or or on that podcast, whatever it's called, uh you're a bad person and they will shun you and they will kick you out. Trump beat them. He beat all of them. And so there, this is why I think the the bitterness, yes, the audience craves that bitterness. To your point about like putting a little bit of uh, you know, cocaine or whatever out there for them like like the old experiments with the, you know, the hamster and the and the pedal like has to get more cocaine. See? Um, beyond that though, I

41:15 think that a lot of people who think of themselves as like the guardians of our democracy in the media realize that I look at them and I've been doing this now for 15 years. I'm like, you people are just jackasses, honestly. and and you've done a huge disservice to your audience. And

41:29 to your to your point, let me give you another car Swisserat. So that thing about JD allegedly effing a couch was completely made up by some blogger when Trump and Vance were running against Kamla. And um it was literally just made up out of thin air. Somebody claimed it was in his book. It's not in his book. Just read the book. You'll see it's a lie. Uh and they just did it to smear him. And now in the anatomy of a smear, it gets raised over and over by dishonest people like Cara Swisser. And so understanding that she could get sued if she let that, you know, hang in the air as she just did, she decides to fix it. And this is how she fixes it. Take a listen to Six.

42:10 Just what's been released now is crazy and problematic for the president, obviously. And I think he hasn't uh he hasn't had a had an eruption in all day. you haven't JD Vance is gone. I don't know where he went. He usually gets on and gets all mad about things and you know sits on a couch etc. Um and he has not been avail I I don't think he a couch everyone. I think I I don't I don't think he a couch but the fact the matter is I think he could see that's that's where I feel about him.

42:44 It's not even I mean it's not funny. It's not clever. It's not She's disgusting. She's gross. And and people that are laughing at that, I feel sorry I feel sorry for them because they have been so programmed. Um, you know, they are they are the the left-wing lemmings. Although, fun fact, lemmings actually don't commit mass suicide. That was totally fabricated by a Disney documentary conversation for another time. Um, some you learn Megan, you have me on your show, we learn fun things. We talk about fun things together. We do.

43:13 Yeah. Um, but they they have been so programmed. They have been so uh brainwashed by their own media that they just um they would rather you could hear it. It was an uneasy laugh because I think at some level they must recognize that what she's saying is I mean he's a sitting vice president. What what she's saying is dumb. It's based in nothing. It's disrespectful. It's just childish. It's childish.

43:39 He's got young kids. It's like really you have to drag him with a completely madeup lie. you know, his children are going to see this like you're so gross. They just don't care. There's no humanity.

43:49 On the right, we actually have there are a lot of people on the right who whether you agree with them or not, they are actually impressive individuals. There are people of considerable character, talent, skill. Thinking of somebody like JD Vance, of course, I his story is amazing. People know Hillbilly Elegy. Um, but he's an incredibly high wattage guy. He understands these issues. You look at Marco Rubio. You look at Scott Besson. You look at the people in this administration and whether or not you agree with their decisions and think that they have tremendous wisdom, they definitely have tremendous IQ, ability, talent, uh, you know, backgrounds. And then you look at the Biden administration and you look at the Democrat bench and you look at the people that are making decisions. It's a clown show. And it's not

44:35 you see Jasmine Crockett. Yeah. It's it's not just cuz I disagree with them. I mean, the top people around I mean Karen Jean Pierre is a I and I I don't like being mean by any objective measure.

44:44 She's an idiot. She's truly a And Joe Biden wasn't smart before he had the dementia. Has always just been the slimiest used car salesman of a politician on the planet. Uh and then you look at Kamla. Kamla is a Okay. Not an intelligent person. Not impressive in any capacity whatsoever. Rode the

45:01 Tim Walls. Tim Tim Walls not an impressive person. And I mean, you go down this list and you compare and an objective party or somebody who's just trying to look at things for what they are goes, on the one side, you have people who men and women who in their own ways are badasses and do cool things and have been successful. And you look at the leadership of the Democrat party and they're a bunch of whiny DEI obsessed, you know, protransing your kids open borders wackos. And this is the fundamental problem the Democrat party has. and they can't they can't seem to find a way to get around this.

45:36 On that subject, here is uh Scott Jennings on CNN and he's raising questions about whether this panel's willingness to run toward Trump's in the Epstein files in a way that's going to bring him down is sound reasoning. And he gets this back from a guy named Joshua Doss. Watch this exchange. Sven,

45:58 you keep saying, "Well, he didn't do anything. saying there's no indication of criminality. If that's true, he should be elated that we're putting these things out.

46:06 If that's true, it is true. Can you name any evidence? I would like to see the evidence. What I'm saying is

46:11 after 10 years of public life, you wouldn't know it already. No, I don't. That's exactly the point.

46:16 Oh my goodness. This is an IQ test. Don't fail it. Come on, man. Years Donald Trump has been public. That's embarrassing.

46:23 Just real quick, I just want to bring it back to something that just happened. I feel like I just heard Scott call into question this black man's intelligence. with the IQ test.

46:33 I feel like I heard that. And so I just want to say something. This is what it sounded like.

46:37 You want to make it racial? Go ahead. But it's ridiculous. Well, I mean, I think that,

46:40 by the way, we know each other. We're friends. I'm not I know this man. He's a smart guy. And we're having a debate. We're having a debate. Don't don't make it into We don't even know each other. But we do.

46:48 This actually relates back to the topic that we're having. Scott, there is a presump you're you're s sitting here with so much confidence without seeing all of the documents that Donald Trump is innocent. There is a presumption of of guilt that a black man walks around the United States with that I have been watching Donald Trump navigate this situation with a presumption of of of innocence that is never never afforded to us.

47:14 Okay, first of all, it's presumption. It's not presumption. Second of all, calling out somebody to say, "This is an IQ test. Let's see if you pass it." can be done to a white person, a brown person, a black person, an Asian person. Get over your obsession with your melanin. It's ridiculous. Buck.

47:32 Well, playing the race car just doesn't work the way that it used to. And that's why you can tell Scott's not, you know, he's like, he's he's calling it out. He's he's not worried. He's like, "Oh, no. What's going to happen to me now? Am I going to get fired? Is my career over? Am I going to be kicked out of, you know, polite society?" Because I Everyone understood what Scott was saying. He said it is an IQ test. He didn't he wasn't even really referring directly to the the guy's IQ that he's talking. But this is what you're going to see more of this. There's a desperation. The way the left has to argue unfortunately is stuff like this because on the primary issues, they're just wrong on the big issues of the day.

48:09 They don't have good arguments. You can call even if he said you are dumb. You are failing the IQ test. You're stupid. And I know that from your inane analysis here. You can say that to a black man. It's actually disrespectful to say you cannot say that to a black person. Black people are just like white people. Some are dumb. Some are smart. All are capable of withstanding an insult or an offensive comment. And to pretend there's a special category of group who we can never insult because somehow it cuts more deeply is to otherize black people in a way that we really want to stop doing and kind of start started to stop doing 50 years ago. It's only recently that they've renewed the request to put themselves in a special category. It's a no.

48:54 Yeah. I I'm very pleased that American society has evolved to a place uh in recent years uh where we can just treat everybody like individuals and human beings. We don't have to put everybody in these DEI obsessed uh boxes and and we can treat each other as as adults and as equals truly and not play games like what you just saw there on air which was just bad faith. I mean, watching Scott Jennings on CNN is definitely a guilty pleasure. It's a lot of fun watching him slap these people around. But nonetheless,

49:23 just the clips because literally nobody's watching the Abby Phillips show. Buck Ston, thank you, my friend. Always great to have you.

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52:07 Thanks, Megan. It's honored to be here. Thanks for having us. Oh, it's wonderful to see you both. Last time we were actually together was when I was sitting on your set with you guys

52:18 talking about Charlie and we saw each other at the memorial, but um last time I saw you up close and and personal. So, it's great to see you. Um, I have to start with something joyful. Okay, we're going to start with something super joyful. I think this is going to make us all happy and it happens to relate to a woman named Joy. In this case, Joy Reed, who believe it or not, you're going to applaud. Listen to ST 13. I would be disturbed. I'm telling you, I would be alarmed. I'm alarmed enough when I see a woman with her dangling boobies.

52:50 Yeah. Yeah, if I saw a penis in the ladies rocker room, I would freak out, too. I'm This is just This is just I mean, this is nothing against trans anybody. What it's saying is if I turn around and I see a a pee pee a

53:06 a penis in front of me inside of the room, I would probably go to management and say, "Wait a minute. Why is there somebody a naked man in this room?" because just the world we live in just from a safety standpoint and just from a you know from a privacy standpoint I would so I can see why she would have gone and reported to management there's a man naked in the B now if they clarified and they said well trans okay but I think they should take her concerns also seriously

53:35 because if she's uncomfortable does she not have the right to be at least uncomfortable with this situation is what I'm saying Okay, I know that I don't want to overstate it, but this is kind of a watershed moment. She's talking about Tish Heyman, who got kicked out of the Gold Gym in LA because she objected to a trans person being in there walking around in full frontal nudity, she alleges. Um, and by the way, the guy was a domestic abuser convicted of breaking a woman's uh jawbone in a compound fracture. I mean, know the kind of force that would take. A dangerous guy. And I know it's like, okay, maybe it's because this woman was black and she's a lesbian and Joy Reed's like, "Okay, I can shout her out." But I don't really care. It actually is very important to have somebody who's such a committed far-left person come out and start standing up for women's rights against these who are invading our locker

54:27 rooms and our bathrooms and bathrooms and so on. And so I genuinely applauded applaud Joy Reed for doing this. I genuinely applaud her and I welcome her to the fight and I hope she stays on the right side. I think this is a very very good sign.

54:41 Long long odds, Andrew. Long odds. What do you mean Blake? What do you mean she's she's crossing over on one issue and like on this issue as a as somebody who had this all wrong back in like the 17 18 time frame myself. I can say like when somebody sees the light and joins the right squad, we should welcome them with open arms even if we disagree on literally everything else.

55:02 Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm a big fan, Megan, of, you know, not having a totally insane opposition party. Uh that the country would be a better place if we could get the basics right and we could come to an agreement on, you know, there's men and there's women. They do not belong in each other's locker rooms. Those type of things should be common sense, but increasingly, you know, they haven't been. And so, yeah, I'm with you. I I mean, I I find Joy Reid a really really detestable uh race baiter. I I find her opinions largely um uh impossible to listen to and agree with.

55:36 And by the way, Charlie Charlie uh felt the same. Uh we one of our favorite pastimes was was uh commenting on Joy Reed's uh incessant insanity. And so, but listen, I'm I'm with you. Yeah, this is good. More of this Joy Reed. More more because you have a long way to go still. That's that's where I net out here.

55:55 Yes, she does. But it's like the people we're trying to influence who are still in the dark ages on this issue are all the people on her side. They are much more likely to listen to Joy Reid than they are to the three of us. So true.

56:09 It's great. I I'll take all the support and help I can get we can get. And especially because this really is a women's rights issue. You know, it's not like guys aren't complaining about fake men going into the men's room. It's the other way around that we really do need a united front from actual women who are the ones going into these spaces and finding themselves endangered. And that's why this woman, Tish Heyman, who just threw down over this issue, she was a gamecher. This woman has not stopped talking since it happened. And she's very effective. She shut down a San Francisco group meeting on this with the terrible Scott Weiner, who's a nightmare, who may be elected to Nancy Pelosy's seat. And uh she appears to have convinced Joy Reid. So, go Tish, go. Um, okay. Lots more to discuss and almost none of it is is a as uplifting as the Joy Reed moment. I'm just going to just going to tell that to you

56:59 honestly. Let's kick it off uh after her with Jack Schllober. He is JFK's grandson. He is running for Congress. He is, in my opinion, deranged. Sorry, I know you don't swear on the T on the Charlie Kirk show, but we do here on the MK show, as you know. Um there he's I really think an insane person. I I think he's not well. There were reports that his mother, Caroline Kennedy Schlozber, really did not want him to run for Congress, which is what he's doing in New York. And I think it's because she knows her son is nuts and probably deserves to be locked up in a facility as opposed to running for Congress. Kind of a different place you can get locked up for being a nut. Um he's come out and gotten the white glove treatment including by Morin Dowed at the New York Times who completely whitewashed his insane social media history where I'm just going to give you a couple of examples. There is one here

57:54 where he is Do we have it? Uh yeah, this is a video, not a I don't think it's a sound bite exactly, but he's doing the Nazi salute over and over and over again. Saw 22. Watch.

58:08 Yo. Yo, check this out. Yo, check this out. There's There's one. Yo, check this out.

58:15 There's another one. Number three, four five six. Didn't didn't we all just live through a fake Nazi salute gate with Elon Musk literally just saying thank you and my heart goes out to you that it was non-stop covered by the leftwing media for days for weeks. This totally whitewashed not an issue for the New York Times nor anyone else. All they hear is a Kennedy who hates righties. He's in thoughts on it.

58:48 Go ahead, Blake. I just I just I'm very tired of the of the Kennedy thing. It just it feel okay. I I think I'm the youngest one here. It feels like this strange boomer artifact to be like continuously obsessed with this family because of its, you know, presidential figure who disappeared from, you know, the scene 60 plus years ago. At least this guy doesn't have the Kennedy name. I think that will make it less bad. And also, at least in that video, he seemed kind of weird.

59:19 Immediately he's going to be Jack Kennedy Schllober, which is not his name. But go ahead, Blake. Sorry.

59:24 Uh, no, actually that you shouldn't be giving them these free ideas. They'll probably do that now.

59:30 But I guess it also maybe we have more videos on him. I'm not super familiar with his his work, but he doesn't seem as charismatic. He doesn't exactly seem to have the Kennedy magic. He seems a little

59:41 twitchy, disturbed. Here, let me just give you one. Here's I'm we're go through we're going to go through a few, but he's disturbed. I'm going to play one couple couple of them, but I just want to and you're going to really have to forgive me for this. Um he uh let's see, he's 32 years old. He posted on January 20th of this year um a a piece, whatever, a post in which he said he was making fun of RFK Jr., his uncle, no his cousin, uh, and the Maha movement. And he wrote, "I will have a Maha energy ball." He proposed a recipe. I'm reading here from the Free Beacon, that called for several ingredients including again please forgive me for this. This is his words.

1:00:26 These are 2 ounces of Jew blood. Ashkenazi, not Sphartic. Baked at 300 degrees until totally dry like your wife, wrote Schllober, a Yale graduate with law and business degrees from Harvard. Um, he went on to say that, hold on. Um he was calling for them to add again, forgive me, semen um into the energy recipe. I think he used the word jizz. And this is the man who gets this treatment from MSNBC when announcing his run, SAT 18. But Trump has been seemingly obsessed with dismantling your family's legacy. is declassified. Previously classified Kennedy assassination records. He's paved over the Rose Garden which your grandmother last renovated. He recently raised the Jackal and Kennedy garden with the demolition of the East Wing. He sought to magify the Kennedy Center. And he also even wants to repaint Air Force One so that it no longer has, as he's put it, a Jackie Kennedy color. What do you think Trump's trying to accomplish

1:01:37 here? And does it make your decision to run for this seat that much more urgent? My grandfather's legacy of of service means a lot to me. It's not just my family's legacy. It's generations of Americans and New Yorkers who fought and sacrificed to build this country. And he is dismantling that legacy. He's so obsessed with the Kennedys and the Kennedy name and the Kennedy brand that he caged one and put it in his cabinet, a rabid dog in his cabinet. Put a collar on my cousin RFK Jr. and has him there barking, spreading lies and spreading misinformation.

1:02:17 Just see, he's just a normal guy. She's like basically licking his feet. And they're going to try to whitewash this guy. His Nazi salutes, his comments about Jews, his comments about semen going into your average Maha energy drink, his constant mocking of very prominent women on the right, including yours truly. um his bizarre, I don't know, weirdly sexual half- naked writhing that he's put on camera multiple times because he is deleting all of this from his social media feed as fast as humanly possible.

1:02:48 Yeah. My my take on this guy is that he's he's a he's a left-wing troll. He's, you know, he's I will tell you he's wildly popular on social media, at least before he deleted, I guess, his his TikTok account. I our team here kept telling me how popular he was on the left with young people. Um, so he's he's got this kind of shock jock troll persona and but but here's here for me, yeah, he's he's crass. He's completely out of bounds on so many things, Megan. But here for me is is the real deal breaker for him. The way he's treated uh Bobby Kennedy Jr. has been completely completely, I believe, disqualifying. I I genuinely cannot stand a person that would throw his own family member under the bus like that. He he has no regard for any decency or etiquette or decorum, no class when it comes to how he's dealing with Bobby Kennedy. And I I just I find that beyond the pale. Candidly, I cannot imagine doing that to one of my

1:03:44 family members. I would have disagreements with them maybe. Yes. And we would do we would deal with those in private. But the way he's treated, calling him a rabid dog and barking for Trump, you and I both know, Megan, that he joined the Trump administration willingly. He he saw an opportunity to advance uh things he's very passionate about and the maja movement. And President Trump has honored that promise. And so I would think if you ask Bobby Kennedy, he's going to say he's really excited, really happy with the opportunity been given that Trump put him at the head of HHS. and to have one of his own family member and the entire Kennedy clan by the way just I mean to it is an artifact of years past and they've totally lost their shine and for just to see how low they have fallen gener it's like each generation gets continually less impressive and he's just the latest uh iteration of that

1:04:32 it's really sad because America would do well to have proud families that we can look up to as models as as exemplars of of the country and they're just completely debasing the brand

1:04:43 yeah they are not one of them. I I'm old enough to remember, Blake, when the Democrats had a complete meltdown saying that Trump had mocked a reporter who has a disability in that that clip where Trump kind of does this with his hand and he's like imitating a reporter. Trump denied that he was mocking a disability. Uh but they freaked they still raise that as evidence that Trump is a bad person. Here's Jack Schlloberg talking about his own cousin who has spasmotic dysphor dysphonia which is why RFKJ talks the way he does in ST 20.

1:05:17 Hey everybody, I I'm trying to figure out the right present to get Donald Trump for the inauguration. So I found a really rare animal and killed it and I'm going to give it to him. So, we no longer care about Nazi salutes and we no longer care about mocking uh people with disabilities. We definitely don't care about misogynistic attacks on women. What do they care about? I, you know, just the fact that he was attacking, as you note, his own uh his own relatives stands out because obviously Trump can be pretty combative, but one thing that always stood out to me is Trump had his um his sister was a federal judge and was appointed by a Democrat and they never really went out of their way to bash each other or hate on each other. And they like that was Trump actually respects surprisingly some like old-fashioned decorum about how you're supposed to behave and that even that has like fallen by the wayside. And it's a

1:06:23 perfect encapsulation because the left will write those essays. How you should disown your uncle who says bad things at Thanksgiving. How you should break off all contact with your family member. A hugely popular piece of advice that people on the left will give each other. Oh, if your parents are MAGA, they're toxic. Cut them out of your life. I saw one that went viral the other day where it was someone saying, "I'm so disgusted by my my one of my family members. I think it was either I think it was his brother. They're he and his wife are MAGA supporters. Uh but I can't break contact with them because I don't know how to drive and they drive me to my doctor's appointments." You know, the the cognitive dissonance going on there is is so extreme. And I guess now that sort of thing is primed to get into Congress.

1:07:07 And and Megan, to your point, the fact that the left-wing media is going to whitewash it, they they are willing for a Kennedy to do anything to help get him uh elected to make him a big star because a they're desperate for stars. They're desperate for white men that are stars, candidly. And uh you know, I I am very happy that he's got the last name Schllo Schlloberg, which is a hard to say and it's not that attractive of a last name. I'm just going to say it. Uh, and he doesn't deserve the name Kennedy. But like, you know, they are willing to do whatever they can and throw out all their standards, all the the same, uh, you know, high bar that they would hold a conservative to. They don't care about that because what they ultimately care is about power. They care about getting Trump. This guy's going to be a rabid dog to fight Trump. And and by the way, can I just say in that one clip, uh,

1:07:55 Megan, that I have never perceived or observed that President Trump is obser is obsessed with the Kennedys or dismantling the Kennedy legacy. I don't think he's I've ever even heard him talk about.

1:08:06 One of the best things about that actually I want to get they're describing the Kennedy legacy and the Kennedy legacy is like architectural features of the White House, the color pattern on Air Force One. It it is the most superficial elements of a legacy. You'd think, what would the legacy of the Trump administration be? It might be a secure border. It might be radically changed foreign policy. And then the Kennedy legacy is, you know, the East Wing of the White House, which needed to be expanded until suddenly getting rid of it was I I think they called it the heart of America. The New York Times did.

1:08:39 Yeah. It's basically Jackie Kennedy and her amazing style. Um the We got to go on now to less pleasant things, which brings me to Katie Kurrick and her exchange with John Federman. I think I speak for all of us when we say you kind of wanted to smack her. Um, we wouldn't we wouldn't smack her, but we kind of wanted to smack her when we watched this incredibly obnoxious exchange. It's so obnoxious, you guys. I almost never run a sound bite more than one minute on the program. It's just my my own rule. I think they go on too long if you do.

1:09:08 This one is three minutes. And there's a reason for that. Sit back, buckle up, and I don't know if I can say enjoy, but watch. Here we go. Do you think that flag should have been flown at half staff? Do you think his body should have been flown on Air Force 2? Do you think he should have postumously be be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom? I think some people felt that that was uh perhaps over the top in terms of uh mourning someone like Charlie Kirk. How did you feel about that? I I'd say that that was his choice and his prerogative and and that's that's where that's um that was up that was really entirely up to him.

1:09:55 Did you have any issues now in hindsight over some of the things that Charlie Kirk said and some of the rhetoric he used uh during his life?

1:10:06 I didn't agree with with much of it. I didn't closely followed his specific kinds of views, but I did

1:10:13 I'm sure you learned about them after his death, though. Uh, no, I haven't done a deep dive on it. You know, I described I mean, we've all seen that terrible video perhaps if you've seen the actual video. I have. And it's like appalling and that's part of the political violence. And from what I'm saying, it's it's like that's unacceptable. and engaging in a debate and views I strongly disagree on. That's part of the American democracy and for me it's uh that would never justify what's happened and I just chose not to take the opportunity to argue his views after uh after children lost his father in the most violent public way. I mean, so that's I I would say the equivalent the equivalent on the left might be say Mr. I strongly disagree with his views, but I would I'm appalled if if something like that happened to him. Oh my god. I mean that's you know like we have to we have to disagree in better

1:11:16 ways where you know you're going to solve it by shooting people and that's why the kinds of rhetoric we have to turn the temperature down. extreme rhetoric makes it easier for extreme reactions or to justify them.

1:11:30 I think some people might say Charlie Kirk's rhetoric was extreme. You know, I think that's the conversation that happened.

1:11:38 People condemned political violence, but they also felt a great deal of discomfort with his language suggesting that these kinds of words lead to violence. I don't know. I'm I'm just kind of sharing my observations as I saw the conversations unfold.

1:11:59 Yeah, I I I agree. I mean, I think we agree that we probably didn't agree with much of what he said, but and I think we I'm sure we both agree that you shouldn't shoot people, you know, and you shouldn't execute them in public. Uh and and that's I think that's two things must be true that free speech I'm an absolute free speech guy and you have the right to say these things and you definitely also have the right not to get shot by sharing your views.

1:12:34 Five times she tried to get him to condemn Charlie. Five times. And five times he kept going back to this is not the time. You don't start condemning a man's re rhetoric after he's just been assassinated. Well, all you do is condemn the political violence. And she couldn't stop herself. And then she ultimately ends by suggesting quote, "These kinds of words lead to violence." Unbelievable her insensitivity. What do you make of it, Andrew? Yeah. I mean, she's she's doing the the meme like she's doing it where she's like, "You had this coming."

1:13:11 She's suggesting that Charlie Kirk had this coming and that something that he said was somehow justified the shooter's actions. And and I I find it appalling. I find it um really disgusting. And the fact that she's so out of touch. I I I you know, and by the way, I you got to say like the redemption arc of John Federman is truly remarkable. I actually tweeted about this. I said, "Thank you, John Federman, for the moral clarity here. We need more of it." Again, I go back to what I said earlier, Megan. I am very pro having a noninssane opposition party in this country. And it's like we've got John Federman. It's like he's the guy. He's the guy willing to like take take the barbs when it comes to a number of issues. But I I just find it really appalling and and this was an observation Charlie used to make all the time. It's like you take these people out of the box like you know the the TV

1:14:02 set uh you know whatever uh Katie Kirk's former career and they fail time and time again. They become uninteresting. They become you they be exposed for the frauds that they are. You are one of the ones Megan that was able has been able to grow and expand and I think even become more popular getting outside of the system outside of the network system. And you you've done it. you're one of the few. Most people they they kind of branch off and they try and do podcasts like and they totally expose what hacks they are and how uninteresting and unimpressive they are.

1:14:32 And Katie Kirk is is sadly one of those people. It's amazing her hate Blake you listen to him you know he's like I chose not to argue his views right after he was killed so violently. You know we we have to disagree in better ways. His rhetoric was extreme. People felt a great deal of discomfort with his rhetoric. She She just can't get past Charlie's words, which first of all is wrong factually, but second of all is irrelevant when the man's just been assassinated.

1:15:02 Oh, no. But she she wasn't she wasn't saying it. She said some people might say that his rhetoric was I just I hate that. Okay, you're not on network news anymore, Katie. You don't need all of this extremely fake neutrality, which you also deliver in this weird little vocal fry voice. It's just it's so grading. It's so aggravating. It's so played out. If you think Charlie was extreme, if you think he deserved it, just just say it, Katie. Other people have said it. Other more popular people will say it. And just this fakery, this fraud nature of it is one of the most aggravating aspects. Well, and can can I also say, Megan, that you know, we we did a whole episode on the Charlie Kirk show debunking most of the viral kind of lies that were going around about Charlie, especially from leftists, right? And so, I'm sure she consumed some of those and she didn't see any of the context that some of those clips

1:15:56 were taken out of context. They were cherrypicked. They were they were edited to make them look so egregious. And I I it's like we we are living in two different algorithms. And so like I want to like shake her and just be like Katie, there's more than what meets the eye. You obviously are believing lies about Charlie and smears against Charlie that are

1:16:15 Who cares? Yeah. Like you take take Don Lemon, okay? He and I don't get along on anything. He's attacked me many times. I've attacked him many times.

1:16:23 He's a human being on this earth. I pray for him. I I don't want anything bad to happen to Don Lemon. God forbid. I like if God forbid anything were to happen to him, I would never never never run to the camera and talk about his rhetoric. There is absolutely no excuse for political violence against a pundit. What are you kidding me? And and even to have the discussion so soon after Charlie died, it it's so disrespectful. And what it's telegraphing is she favored it. She at some level she liked it. It's not totally dissimilar from the Jack Schlober conversation. The reason they're whitewashing all of his terrible comments is they liked them. They enjoyed them. They want him to keep doing it.

1:17:09 And by the way, Megan, it's it's whitewashing on purpose. And this is why I got so upset about the Jimmy Kimmel thing when he lied about who killed Charlie because he tried to make it out to be some MAGA supporter, whatever. what that communicates to the world, what Katie Kurrick's communicating to the world, that if you do these heinous acts, if you commit violence against people that had it coming because we don't like the things they say or the their their ideas, um that we're going to whitewash it and we're going to celebrate it. And you saw this also with uh Matt Manion where you had you you had like Taylor Loren saying that he was hot and that like he was somehow, you know, attacking an evil system and therefore this United uh healthcare CEO had it coming. Th this is the this justification and this this media whitewash that comes in after the fact I think is just as damaging in some ways

1:17:57 if not more because it's sending a signal to a bunch of crazy people that we're going to celebrate you. We're going to laud your actions in this public way if you do these heinous acts. And that's truly disgusting. And and it's like Blake and I used to say it uh in the immediate aftermath. We it deserves repeating. It's like let's make political assassinations taboo again. Can we do that? Can we do at least that? Yeah, speaking of Taylor Loren, here she is just this week, I think it was, get doing an interview with um Jack Mack, who's just launched a uh podcast series.

1:18:30 I think he's from Bartool Sports called Journalisming. Uh and here's what she told him. This is this week SAT 30.

1:18:37 So, we're in Central Park. We are. This is the place that Luigi Manion got fled to and then got away.

1:18:45 Yeah. Oh, yeah. You famously have said that you felt joy on that day. I felt joy that we were acknowledging the barbarity of our healthare system.

1:18:52 So do you okay and do you I stand by that 100%. And you feel joy you felt joy there was memes being shared in your group chat as CEO has been dead and like you also called I I I think you called Luigi is he a hero in your mind?

1:19:06 I didn't I've definitely never said that. Um what I would say is that yeah I've definitely never said that in my life.

1:19:12 A morally good man. Definitely never said that. I said his supporters view him as a morally good man. I don't think we actually know much about his morality or kind of really much about his ideology. I think he's a reactionary.

1:19:22 So, do you think he's like a good person? I have no idea. We don't really know.

1:19:26 I would say bad. We can't be like going out and shooting people right on the street,

1:19:30 obviously. But I think like we just don't even know enough about his ideology and his motivations.

1:19:37 Okay, Blake. She who who could know? I mean, how could we figure out whether Luigi is a good person? First of all, I I also have to commend that that host for getting Taylor Loren to go outside without a mask on. That I'm not sure I've seen that in a while. But also, the big picture and the thing that overlaps with Katie and so many of these others who justify what this happened, there is nothing more toxic and more damaging uh than telling people you can be cruel, you can do evil things, and actually it's it's not even not a bad thing. It's actively a good thing. You should feel righteous while doing it. you should actually feel bad if you don't do it. And so much of modern leftism is essentially about deliberately stoking that, stoking envy, stoking hate, stoking outright violence and saying these things are actually good. And we'll see that boil over sometimes. Uh it's why I think uh you

1:20:30 know the October 7th terrorist attacks were so evocative for so many people because you saw BLM groups in Chicago just overtly praise it. praise people going door todo murdering civilians, murdering children, and saying that was a righteous thing. You should feel awesome that that happened. And you'll see it here in America. You saw that during the the Floyd riots in 2020. You'll see it. I mean, you see it with Luigi Manion. Of course, you're seeing it with uh the man who allegedly murdered Charlie that they'll take a completely heinous act, a completely indefensible act, a thing we all know is heinous and indefensible and say it is heroic. It is good and that's really intoxicating for people

1:21:13 or or even to debate the person's point is to invite more political violence. It's not that we could never discuss health insurance again because they executed the CEO of United Healthcare, but you don't do it right after or you play right into the assassin's motivations and his goals and you encourage another one. Same thing about Charlie. You talk about his violent rhetoric, which is a lie. Okay, put that to the side though. You started talk you're talking about like what what did Charlie stand for? What did he say right after he's assassinated by somebody who hated his views? You play right into it and you encourage more of it. Not to mention Hunter Biden, who I'm sure you guys saw this, but he's got thoughts on Charlie's murder. Here is what he said in s 23.

1:21:57 That is the narrative that is being spun by the right. I can think of another one that this kid, if it was this kid, was a grier and he is a Nick Fuentes accolade. They want to create chaos. And so it didn't matter whether you you shot Charlie Kirk or whether you shot the Charlie Kirk's equivalent on the left. And I don't know who that would be. probably someone like Pico.

1:22:18 So it it so there's there there's an answer. He wasn't necessarily shot for his beliefs. He was shot because he was one of the loudest people speaking out there. I don't know why Charlie Kirk was shot.

1:22:31 Candace Owens says Charlie Kirk was shot because he is about he was about to um uh disavow Israel.

1:22:37 Okay. I don't know why Charlie Kirk was shot, but I do know this. It's only served one group of people. Charlie Kirk's death.

1:22:50 MAGA. Unbelievable. His death only served one group of people. MAGA. Which frankly is the Jimmy Kimmel comment in different dress in a different dress. It's it's the same thing. Like this is something that's serving the MAGA wing. So, like, let's take a closer look at who actually murdered him. Wink wink. Who stood to benefit? That's really what he's doing there Andrew.

1:23:19 Yeah. And it's first of all, yeah, it's untrue. Uh, and I I encourage the the whole like tendency of the left to say that all of these political assassins except for I guess Luigi Majioni are left or are of the right, right? This instinct is bizarre. It's crazy to me. Uh, I I encourage everybody in your audience, Megan, to check out a guy named Turkey Tom. He's done a He did a deep dive on some Discord chats that were

1:23:44 We did check that out. We almost went to air with it, but we couldn't short it up to the point where we were comfortable with, but he did a deep dive on Tyler Robinson and his weird furry trans lover.

1:23:55 And I've been credibly informed, uh, Megan, that those are authentic. And so, uh, you know, feel feel free to keep diving into them cuz cuz I I I believe that they are authentic and it's a real window into the weird LSD, uh, THC, vaping, incessant drinking, alcoholism, furry fetish, uh, you know, paranoid schizophrenia of this world that they were inhabiting, um, with, yeah, furry fetishes and, uh, all kinds of stuff. I was black market HRT. So, this was a a very bizarre world that they were living in. And so for for Hunter to kind of wade into this water uh is is I I find it confusing. I don't actually know what he's getting at. Uh but secondly, Megan,

1:24:41 I'm tell I'm telling you what he's getting at. He's pulling a Jimmy Kimmel. I don't know who killed Charlie. You know, maybe it was this ma is the one who stood to gain. They're the ones quote benefiting. It's a clear implication that this guy was MAGA and like was trying to help the MAGA movement by having a martyr. I mean, that's obviously what he's suggesting without having the balls to actually come right out and say it.

1:25:05 Yeah. Well, exactly. And and it's funny because if you're actually in right-wing circles or if you're paying attention any of the conversation online, everybody's worried about the infighting or the the the fractures within the conservative movement in the wake of Charlie. Like, this has not benefited MAGA M. Charlie Charlie was such a force of nature for MAGA that keeping the coalition together of keeping the the desperate tribes singing from the same himnil if you were if you will. It it so so a it doesn't make any sense but yeah to your point they want to whitewash it.

1:25:35 They want to make it look like political violence is a thing of the right and they want to look like there was some grand conspiracy here. Um that that's it's really disgusting and I'm glad you showed me that. I had heard about this clip but I hadn't seen it yet. Um, so I, you know, this is, this is my first reaction to it, but I I find it really, really disgusting this tendency to do it.

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1:28:20 That's chefiq.com, promo code MK. You mentioned it before we went to break, and I do want to follow up on it. You know, the conservative movement is I don't want to say it's breaking in two right now, but it's definitely going through some growing pains over the issue of Israel. You guys have been watching it. So have I. We've been right in the middle of it. All of us. Um I have wondered to myself how Charlie would have navigated this because if there's one group Charlie knew better than anyone, it was young people. And he saw the split on this issue of Israel coming amongst the young folks before most since he was so in touch with them.

1:28:56 And so, and yet he has, as you guys know, Turning Point has got many Jewish donors who did not feel as the young group feels and wanted him and Turning Point to be much more supportive of Israel. And now that that's only gotten worse, you know, in the past couple of months, like it's a such a tricky issue. And I have asked myself many times, I wonder how Charlie would be handling this. What do you guys think?

1:29:19 Yeah, it's it's an issue that Charlie thought about a lot, talked about a lot, and and you're correct. He saw the sort of crackups that we're having today coming several years in advance because he spoke to young people a lot. He read the emails they sent in. Uh he could see the polls. He he would he always would look at what the polls were saying about what sentiment was. And he would talk about this in in private too. So you mentioned donors and all of that. He would talk to our supporters who were Jewish or or just generally big Israel supporters and he would say, "One thing you guys need to understand is young people are a lot less supportive of Israel." And he would try to chart out, I think, a a viable future on that issue where he would say, "Guys, we have to be able to make the case that supporting Israel is an America first position. And if we can't do that, we may have to choose a more moderate path forward

1:30:14 where it might be we don't give them as much financial support, but we might still give them moral support. We can still back them up in other ways. But that a big reason, a big thing driving a lot of the anti-Israel sentiment was when you have overt financial support going to such a degree to another country. And he was always trying to chart that out ways. He we were discussing that even up to the point of his assassination. what are arguments we could make towards people who are hostile to Israel and also what can we make to supporters of it to try to hold the coalition together because what he

1:30:49 but it's very hard Blake trust me when I say it is very hard if you want to make space for both sides of that discussion there is one side that will insist you not you know I mean the sort of tucker more isolationist wing of the Republican party that's been highly critical of Israel is now according to the more polite people who are neocon I no longer allowed. You're not allowed to have that discussion. And it's one of the things, you know, I've been trying to make space for both sides to discuss it. I know you guys have too.

1:31:17 It's very infuriating because it's just the one side who says you're not allowed to let that other side in.

1:31:22 Well, well, so what he would say is he would say he what he wouldn't have room for and what he would say is he has no room for actual anti-semitism, drew hate as he called it. No room for it anywhere on the right because we're not a hate-based movement. And he would also say, okay, we are an American political movement. You must clearly articulate our political principles in terms of making America the number one priority and the American people the number one priority. And so he would emphasize those key points and then he would talk about I think what he would often emphasize is guys, it's a huge problem if attacking Israel or criticizing Israel is some sort of top issue on the right. He would that's why he talked about Islam so much in the last few uh months of his life.

1:32:06 He was saying guys the clear threat to western civilization that is unfolding that is spreading across Europe and coming into America is Islamization and also you know the Mandaniism the various third world resentful ideologies and those are the things that are poisoning the west and we absolutely need a united front against those things and we should be able to unite on that issue and we can't allow something like criticizing Benjamin Netanyahu to break apart the coalition on some when there's things that are far more important for us to be worrying about.

1:32:42 Yeah. And I I I agree. I agree with that. It's Charlie was very much I'm an American. I should be allowed to criticize my own government. I should be allowed to criticize other governments even if that government is Israel. Right. And I I think what you know I was a part of a focus group with Charlie at the Student Action Summit in July. You were there Megan. And you know it was an interesting thing because we asked these kids you know what are your feelings about Israel and these these were kids from all over the country different geographies uh different types of schools Stanford to you know state colleges and and uh everything in between and most of them were not antagonistic per se to Israel. they just wanted the freedom to be able to to have opinions that, you know, were were not uh orthodox American foreign policy, you know, for for the last 60 years, right?

1:33:34 So, they they wanted the freedom to be able to say and believe those things without being called an anti-semite. And that was the space that Charlie was carving out, basically saying, you can have these opinions and you can still be a part of the the club. you don't have to feel a certain way about Israel to be uh part of America first or be part of MAGA or part of the conservative movement. And so that was the the the the course that he was charting. And I think we're we're still, you know, devoted to that and committed to that here at Turning Point and at the Charlie Kirk show because we we we don't want to say, "Hey, you can be a part of America first if you if you feel a certain way about another country." Now, Charlie,

1:34:11 as long as you love Israel, as long as you totally support Israel. Exactly. that that that makes no sense. I I think on so many levels. Now, Charlie had certain opinions about Israel and he would go through point by point. I actually did a tweet on this this week, Megan, about and I showed four examples of Charlie working through very patiently with students their concerns about the US Israel relationship. But he didn't start resorting to ad homonyms. He didn't resort to name calling or saying that you're a bad person. And it was like, hey, we're going to go point by point by point uh through your concerns and I'm going to agree with you where I can and yeah, we probably shouldn't, you know, have foreign uh involvement in the United States government and but but you know, he he basically had a very moral morally clear stance that listen, we are for America, America first, and you can have a a wide-ranging opinion on this

1:35:01 matter, and let's talk about it. Andrew, let me ask you about how Turning Point is doing because you were updating us for a while in like the number of chapters that kids have opened. There were, I think, a total of 2,000 chapters between high schools and colleges at at the time Charlie was killed and then there was a huge surge after his assassination by young people wanting to be a part of the group. Where do things stand now? Yeah, I think um yeah, there was 2,200 alto together uh approximately when Charlie was killed and yeah, we had a surge of uh inquiries. So that was a lot of people were I were talking about that it was 136,000 inquiries to start new chapters or something incredible. It was just an insane number. I think at this point the the starting chapters is actually quite a a tough process, but we're we're at doing 50 a day right now.

1:35:54 50 new chapters are starting across the country at either a high school or a college campus every day, which if you know the amount of work that that takes to start those chapters, you you understand how insane that is. And the the field team is doing such incredible heroic work and the pulling off that the tour. You have to understand a lot of people don't don't I don't I don't think have put this together that field team that did those tours that you were a part of that Glen Beck was a part of that Tucker was a part of um so many of these governors it it was the same team that was at UVU and they were there when Charlie was assassinated and they kept that tour going out of just sheer sense of duty and honor to to continue Charlie's legacy you know and when we wrapped that tour up we told most of them like please take some time off. You You deserve this. Like, go. Like, you need to take time for yourself and to

1:36:46 heal and to grieve. But they they they every single one of them, Megan, said, "We're going to keep this going because we love Charlie and we need to keep the mission going." And I don't know. I I I just I there's not words enough to express my gratitude and my admiration for them because of just how difficult that was. And you know, we had a a meeting with somebody here at the office.

1:37:06 Saw it myself. Yeah. Yeah. And we we had a meeting with some young staffers young who were clearly still in mourning who were there at Virginia Tech putting on this event like you know we got to do business as usual for Charlie. Go ahead finish your thoughts.

1:37:17 Yeah. No and you know we met with one of them here at the office after the tour wrapped and it was you know tears in her eyes and you know you could tell she was still grieving. she was still hurting and she she's one of the the leaders of the tour and I was just I it's like I said I can't express to you enough how how proud I I am of that team of her um and and I hope they take their time and they come back and stronger and and um and just understand what they accomplished because it was truly heroic and I think we're I think our our chapter count though Megan just because you did ask about that I think we're approximately at about 6,000 uh if not six just shy of that now so the number keeps growing every day, but it's like

1:37:58 it's truly amazing. And we're going to keep pushing until we have a a high school chapter at uh every high school in the country, and that's 23,000. So, we're pretty much pretty much maxed out at the college level at this point, but high school, we're going to keep charging ahead. That was one of Charlie's last uh real mandates to the organization. We want to be in every we want a Club America, which is our high school brand, at every high school in America.

1:38:23 Let's do what the left does and get them while they're young. We've seated the fight for the hearts and minds of young people for too long. And that was what Charlie Kirk saw when he was 18 years old and got this brilliant idea for a a company called Turning Point.

1:38:38 They're not going down without a fight on these campuses. Blake, um there was an incident at Purdue University Northwest with a professor interrupting a Turning Point meeting. There was this incident from former professor David Kak uh calling Turning Point USA supporters Nazis at Fort Lewis College on November 7th. Here's that South 37

1:39:09 kindness with kindness. Come on. There's no need for that. There's no need for that. We haven't said anything to you. Thank you.

1:39:21 Giving the favor to the camera. You're pleasant. the Nazis. All I can say is the Nazis.

1:39:27 Jesus loves you. And he loves Nazis, too. Huh? No. Jesus loves everybody. Christ, our God, loves everybody. Nazis.

1:39:38 God loves everybody. I hope you have a very blessed day, sir. It's just toddler Blake.

1:39:46 It really is. It's it's what we were talking about earlier when you take an ideology that says take your worst impulses, go up, be rude to people, curse them out, attack people. I mean, we've seen far worse from professors. We've seen them rip down our displays. We've seen them basically attack students. And of course, we also see it when they celebrate Charlie's murder, which plenty of them have at this point. It it is an ideology that embraces all of your worst personal temptations and says indulge them, repeat them, marinate in them, hate other people, attack other people, hurt other people. And it tells you that is righteous. All of those things you want to do, they're good things. You should feel bad if you don't do them. And the end result is you have lunatics who feel entitled to attack whoever they want. And they're shocked.

1:40:36 They're shocked that other people would not want to do that. A bunch of young kids who are in mourning, by the way. Absolutely no sensitivity. He's another Katie Kurrick.

1:40:45 You guys, um, we're heading to Glendale, Arizona this weekend on Saturday night, the last night of our Megan Kelly Live tour, and we'll be interviewing your new CEO, Erica Kirk, as you both know. I hope I see you there. I salute you for all the great work you've been doing. I'm sending you all my love and support.

1:41:05 Thank you. Thank you very much. We'll see you. We'll see you in Glendale. Good. Good. I hope so, Andrew. I'm going to give you a big hug when I see you. Lots of love. Uh and folks, if you would like to join us, this is the last weekend of the tour where we have two stops in California, Thursday and Friday, Bakersfield and Anendale, and then we close out the tour on Saturday night with the one and only Erica Kirk. You can get the tickets at Megan Kelly.com. Thank you for listening. We're back tomorrow with our friend Link Lauren and more.

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