DOJ Promises MORE Arrests Over Church Stunt, w/ Harmeet Dhillon, & Bombshell New Blake Lively Texts

What this episode is about

DOJ vows additional arrests over a Minnesota church protest, highlighting ongoing enforcement actions and political fallout, with Harmeet Dhillon as the DOJ Civil Rights official involved. The segment also touches on Don Lemon’s clash with federal authorities and related media commentary.

Key takeaways

• Justice drama escalates online as DOJ weaponizes FACE Act, while public trust wrestles with perceived bias.
• Har Dylan strains credibility fueling ‘not over’ rhetoric, yet the judiciary’s impartiality remains the real stake.
• Don Lemon saga reveals media attention economics: fame rises when legal peril outpaces real accountability.
• Conflict-of-interest flags fly: spousal ties and social posts threaten perceived neutrality in a high-stakes case.
• Grand jury timing vs. holiday inertia exposes systemic frictions; timing often shapes justice as much as facts.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megan Kelly (Guest) · 35 min speaking
• Harmeet Dhillon (Guest) · 11 min speaking
• Don Lemon (Guest) · 6 min speaking
• Douglas Miko (Guest) · 2 min speaking
• Caitlyn Miko (Guest) · 1 min speaking
• Keith Ellison (Guest) · 1 min speaking
• Abby Lel (Guest) · 1 min speaking
• Matt Murphy (Guest) · 1 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 15:00: Department of Justice, Douglas Miko, Caitlyn Miko, Melania
2. 15:00 – 30:00: Abby Lel, Department of Justice
3. 30:00 – 45:00: ICE, Department of Justice, Columbia Heights Public School, Birch Gold Group
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00: Columbia Heights Public School
5. 1:15:00 – 1:30:00: Lucy Damon, Grand Canyon University, California Civil Rights Department
6. 1:30:00 – 1:45:00: Lucy Damon

Notable quotes from "DOJ Promises MORE Arrests Over Church Stunt, w/ Harmeet Dhillon, & Bombshell New Blake Lively Texts"

• Facebook, and X. From Amazon MGM Studios comes Melania. Every detail, every decision, every stitch intentional. This new film takes you inside the 20 days leading up to the…

  about Melania · at 1:36

• The attorney general of the state of Minnesota. The judge's name is Douglas Miko, M I C KO, the magistrate judge who refused to sign the warrant. And we found out that his…

  about Douglas Miko · at 3:37

• With the magistrate judge refusing to sign off on arresting Don Lemon. So you have to understand that we at the Department of Justice these days in the most aggressive and…

  about Department of Justice · at 11:49

• More than 30 years reporting and covering newsworthy events. What's your response to that har the first amendment argument being made by Abby lol and lemon?

  about Abby Lel · at 25:11

• They used him as bait. They're trying to use children to sort of get their illegal immigrant parents arrested which is not at all what happened.

  about ICE · at 39:35

• Him. Mary Granland is her name, school board chair for Columbia Heights Public School. She was talking about how the little boy Liam's mother was at the window watching and…

  about Columbia Heights Public School · at 45:18

• What everybody wants to hear. Okay first she gets it in the New York Times that she had filed a complaint against him with the California Civil Rights Department saying that he…

  about California Civil Rights Department · at 1:23:44

• Lucy Damon said, It was insane the power this guy has with no experience to back him. after being told that Baldon claimed during filming to have been able to speak to Lively's dead.

  about Lucy Damon · at 1:29:52

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Douglas Miko — Person · Referenced judicial officer · 2 mentions · first at 3:26
  Named as the federal magistrate judge who refused to sign the arrest warrant; discussed regarding alleged conflict-of-interest due to spouse’s employment.
• Abby Lel — Person · Referenced attorney · 4 mentions · first at 11:47
  Identified as Don Lemon’s lawyer; quoted via statement asserting First Amendment protections and discussed as not responsible for the magistrate’s decision.
• Caitlyn Miko — Person · Referenced person (conflict-of-interest discussion) · 2 mentions · first at 3:47
  Identified as Douglas Miko’s wife and an employee in Keith Ellison’s office; her social-media activity is cited to argue appearance of bias.
  Miko, M I C KO, the magistrate judge who refused to sign the warrant. And we found out that his wife, Caitlyn Miko who works for Keith Ellison in the AG's office, recently…
• Lucy Damon — Person · Referenced person (litigation context) · 5 mentions · first at 36:38
  Mentioned in disclosed texts as Matt Damon’s wife; portrayed as providing reactions/feedback about Baldoni and the situation.

Companies & orgs

• Department of Justice — Company · Government agency · 7 mentions · first at 0:16
  Central to the discussion about legal actions and enforcement of federal laws.
• ICE — Company · Government agency · 3 mentions · first at 4:20
  Discussed in the context of immigration enforcement and legal actions in Minnesota.
• Columbia Heights Public School — Company · Educational institution · 2 mentions · first at 40:10
  Mentioned in the context of a legal incident involving ICE and a child.
• California Civil Rights Department — Company · Government agency · 1 mention · first at 1:23:52
  Mentioned in the context of a complaint filed by Blake Lively against Justin Baldoni.
• Amazon MGM Studios — Company · Media production · 1 mention · first at 1:36
  Producer of the film 'Melania' mentioned in the podcast.
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Sponsors

• Melania — Media · Promoted content · 2 mentions · first at 1:36
  Promoted as a new film about the first lady, Melania Trump.
• Grand Canyon University — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 1:16:01
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show and happy Friday. Hope you're hunkering down in anticipation of the big storm if you are anywhere on the right half of the country physical right. We have so much goodness in store for you today before the weekend. But first Don Lemon taunting the Department of Justice to come after him again. Oh he's such a tough guy. After a federal magistrate judge refused to sign off on criminal charges against him for his role in last weekend's church protest in quotes in Minnesota. Lemon is loving every minute of this. He's never had so much attention because no one cares about him. Uh last night likening himself to Jimmy Kimmel.

0:50 Look, I stand proud and I stand tall. I not This is not a victory lap for me because it's not over. They're going to try again and they're going to try again. And guess what? Here I am.

0:59 Keep, trying. That's not going to stop me from being a journalist. You're not going to diminish my voice. Go ahead. Make me into the new Jimmy Kimmel if you want. Go just do it cuz I'm not going anywhere and I'm going to believe the same things whether you want to whatever.

1:20 Yes,, please, do, it., And, the, person, who could do it is with me now. She is Har Dylan. She is the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the DOJ. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this show on YouTube and follow me on Insta Facebook, and X. From Amazon MGM Studios comes Melania. Every detail, every decision, every stitch intentional. This new film takes you inside the 20 days leading up to the 2025 presidential inauguration through the eyes of the first lady herself. From fittings to critical meetings to private moments witness the precision behind her return to one of the world's most powerful roles. Melania only in theaters January 30th.

2:05 Har, great to see you again. So, are we going to do it? Well, we are going to do it because that's what is required for justice here. And from Sunday when I first saw the video that Don Lemon himself put out about his conduct that day, it was clear to me that we had the predicates for pursuing face act and conspiracy. We did our homework, sent prosecutors there to the ground, took affidavit, took evidence. Uh they buttressed the case that we could witness from Lemon's own testimony and statements and admissions against interest uh in his own videos. and we have aggressively and very rapidly sought legal process. Now, I will say it's been a little frustrating because for 48 hours between the time that we sought these uh arrest warrants and the time that we were able to make arrests and say what the judge did in in refusing to sign off on lemons, you know, it had to stay silent. We have certain protocols here at the Department

3:05 of Justice and but uh he is not out of legal jeopardy and he has lawyered up. as a prominent lawyer and uh you know we're going to pursue this to the ends of the earth.

3:20 Good., So,, it's, not, over., He's, not, out, of the woods just because this one magistrate judge decided not to sign off on the warrant. This judge, this magistrate judge we now know is married to somebody who works for Keith Ellison the attorney general of the state of Minnesota. The judge's name is Douglas Miko, M I C KO, the magistrate judge who refused to sign the warrant. And we found out that his wife, Caitlyn Miko who works for Keith Ellison in the AG's office, recently reposted um first a happy holidays photo of her with the judge. So we that's why we know it's they're married. But separately on LinkedIn, Hermit, this woman, okay again, she's married to the judge who denied the warrant. She recently loved this message from the solicitor general in A.G. Ellison's office. Quote, "I'm proud to help A.G. Ellison and the mayors protect the equal sovereignty of Minnesota and the safety of our

4:20 residents by suing ICE Homeland Security today." So, she's liking the lawsuit against ICE. She's clearly anti-ICE. And this is the magistrate judge's wife.

4:32 Yes. Should, he, have, recused, himself, from this? So, let me add there's a couple of additional elements which is Keith Ellison uh ignorantly went out there and said that the Face Act doesn't apply to attacks on houses of worship, which as you know, Megan, it obviously does. It's right there in the statute and I've actually used it in court already. The this will be the this will this is the second time the United States Department of Justice has gone into court to use the FACE act with respect to houses of worship. So, he's blatantly wrong and that's her boss and it's a conflict of interest in my opinion and you know he absolutely has fallen short of the standards here and there's more that I can say about the the magistrate. I don't even want say judge because magistrate is a inferior officer not an article three judge. Um the back and forth with us is is is something else.

5:25 But this magistrate clearly exhibited bias I think in his rulings and they're very disappointing and so there are more chapters to come in this dispute for sure.

5:40 So, normally, you, you, you, could, bring, it before a grand jury right to get an indictment. Can you go Har to a different magistrate? Um, I I don't want to telegraph exactly what we're going to do next in court but there are next moves in court in multiple directions, up and sideways and otherwise. But you have to understand that this was a holiday weekend and unfortunately grand juries don't run every day of the week. I know there's a lot of ignorant commentary out there on social media about this. I simply don't know. Uh, the next sitting of the grand jury in Minnesota is in Minneapolis is next week. And so, you know, that's an option. There are other options. So, I will just leave it at that. But you know that the attorney general herself was there on the ground and managing this process with my principal deputy, a brilliant uh young lawyer. And so, you know, we are not giving up the fight

6:30 here at all. And in fact, we only identified rapidly, I think, a a handful of people who were in this mob. I intend to go after every single one of them. None of the people who invaded this house of God and harassed and frightened children and families is going to go unpunished.

6:50 Great., That's, great, news., So,, you're going after all of them. It's just you haven't identified every single person yet, but the ones you've identified, the process is is happening.

7:00 Well,, that's, right., I, mean,, and, the other thing is, look, you know, people are doing their social media identifications. I'm looking at those and I'm forwarding them to the investigative team and we have to do our due diligence. We don't want to be out there. I mean, I'm a longtime civil rights lawyer from the against the government side. And so, I have tremendous respect for the rights of the individual. So, we're doing our due diligence. That's required by justice. I'm sure uh people out there would agree that they would not want to be wrongfully arrested or otherwise misidentified. And so, we're doing our homework. But a lot of these people selfidentified on social media including the three who were arrested.

7:35 They were, you know, posting their own commentary out there repeatedly, as was Don Lemon, Don Lemon's associates, and others. So eventually we will expect to get all of these people and um you know then we're going to have more questions about how this was organized, who organized it, who funded it, and what else is being done by this group of people invading churches. And I'm why we moved so quickly, Megan, is it as a person of faith, it just outrages me to see this happening. And I didn't want churchgoers to feel that if they went to church in uh Minneapolis, St. Paul this coming Sunday or the synagogue or any house of worship that they might face the same kind of mob um mob harassment.

8:23 It's just not it's off limits in America. And so I hope this gives assurances. The three arrests are are they're not low-level people. One of them is an elected official school board member. One of them is a serial freerange, you know, domestic terrorist in my opinion, uh, terrorizing people in multiple jurisdictions. And one is a paid organizer, uh, who who is a lawyer

8:49 who, had, access, to, statute, books, and should have known better about the face act.

8:53 And,, um,, you, know,, we, we, were, trying, to arrest them for, uh, 48 hours. Uh, had eyes on them. You know, it wasn't easy. and everyone who is in the food chain of helping us get the information needed didn't necessarily cooperate quickly but we got it done very quickly. There was a report yesterday on the one arrest of Shantel Allen. Uh she's the one who's on school board that she had allegedly rented out three separate hotel rooms and that the hotel manager helped to get get her down to the lobby to be arrested. Is that true? I'm not going to comment on the exact circumstances, but uh the uh the privilege that some of these folks exhibit can get tiresome to the general public and um hotels don't want fugitives in their in their premises for obvious reasons. So, I'll just leave it at that.

9:47 Yeah,, makes, sense, to, me., Uh, back, to, Don Lemon for a second. He doubled down on the inanity in the following comment. I have got to run this by you. You may have heard it. Here it is. Saut uh five last night.

10:01 It's, not, about, justice., You, know, how, I know it's not about justice? Because I have the best attorney in the country, I believe, to deal with this who takes on this administration without fear at all. And this attorney has worked with some of the worst accused criminals in history. And even those people, just like Donald Trump, who is a 34time convicted felon, are always allowed usually to self-report. in these situations, why you see the the activists in in Minneapolis or Minnesota, why you see a um a per walk which they were supposed to get rid of that, right? Because they said they were unconstitutional. Why you see that?

10:49 Because they want those images out there. They want to embarrass people. Same situation. If they had come here to do that, they wouldn't let me self-report. And so when I asked council and people, well, why why is this happening? And one person who I respect the most, this doesn't come from my council, who I really respect said because they're giving you the n-word treatment.

11:15 Okay,, thoughts, on, that,, I, mean,, who thinks Don Lemon is a victim? Who thinks that we're giving him the n-word treatment? That's really offensive to me as a person who grew up in the deep south and saw the clan in my town when I was growing up. Like Don Lemon living in the Hamptons or whatever, you are not ever being subjected to that kind of treatment. That's absurd. Secondly thank you for, you know, continuing to talk and reveal attorney client privilege communications. That's super helpful. I really appreciate it. and um Abby Lel, his lawyer, had nothing to do with the magistrate judge refusing to sign off on arresting uh Don Lemon. So you have to understand that we at the Department of Justice these days in the most aggressive and important fights that we're facing, we're we're kind of out manned two against one. He didn't even need a lawyer. The magistrate judge uh was kind of standing in as judge and

12:13 jury. His role, by the way, is a gatekeeper, is a probable cause. His rule role is not the jury's role, and his role is not to give commentary or opinion on it. And so, I I do think that the judge, magistrate judge was out of line. And so, we will see. We will see. There are many more moves to be had here. And Don Lemon keeps running his mouth, and I really appreciate it.

12:36 It's, so, unusual, for, a, magistrate, to, not sign off on there being probable cause and and issue the warrant. I mean, every lawyer, every lawyer that we've talked to, and we have a lot of them in our MK media network, former prosecutors former defense or current and current defense attorneys saying this is unheard of virtually. I mean, unless like there's absolutely no case, and there is there is obviously probable cause for both face act and the conspiracy against rights charges for lemon. So, I mean was it nakedly partisan, Harine? I know you're limited somewhat in what you want to say, but like, was it obviously a partisan thing? Well, let me state with regard to the face act. First of all like attorney general Keith Ellison many lawyers and even apparently now magistrates and judges are entirely ignorant of the second half of the face act, which is protecting houses of worship. Why is that? Because all

13:29 they've ever heard of is Obama and Biden DOJ going after pro-life protesters using that law uh praying outside abortion clinics and abuse of the FAC act. That's the those are the headlines. And frankly on the right, uh, Republican attorneys general and prosecutors didn't bring these claims. That's also a fail. Okay? So now we're using it the way it's supposed to have been used. And so to a degree, they're ignorant. Um, on the Clan Act, it is a venerable statute with a long and storied and very important history. I I I really respect this law.

14:03 It is uh one of our oldest, perhaps the oldest civil rights law that I uh am charged with administering here at the United States Department of Justice. And it dates back to an era where local law enforcement and state law enforcement um was weaponized against people of color in this country after the uh emancipation of the slaves. And so, you know, it it is this is exactly the purpose for which it was intended to be used conspiracy to violate somebody else's civil rights. Is there any more fundamental civil right, Megan, than the right to pray to God peacefully in a house of worship? I It is the first amendment of the United States Constitution. It is the basis on which this country was founded. And so, um, I look forward to getting convictions under both of these statutes eventually um, against all the people charged.

14:54 Let me read you what Matt Murphy said to us. He's part of our MK True Crime Network and he's a lifetime uh prosecutor out in Orange County. Uh and he he said the following. Uh he said "In 26 years as a prosecutor, I never saw a judge actually reject an arrest warrant. This will be an Obama Biden Clinton to Clinton appointee." This is before we knew. Uh two-tier justice activist judge guaranteed. And then he said, um, "Terrifying children like this is ghoulish. It's clearly a federal crime." the guy filmed himself in the parking lot and he said these are well sanctimonious lefty blank holes. Um I think you would agree with all of that.

15:32 Do we know because you point out like the magistrate is not like a nominated judge by by a sitting president. So was it a Democrat who put who chose this magistrate judge and put him on their bench?

15:46 So, let, me, explain, to, your, audience, how magistrate judges work. I've gone before many of them and often uh we lawyers who are looking for speedy resolution of our cases, we stipulate to magistrates actually trying cases uh where there's a bench trial situation. So I I I respect the role of the magistrate judge, but the magistrate judge is an employee of the federal court. They have tenure appointments. They are selected by the district court article 3 judges. So the life tenure judges in the district court, they put out a a posting. uh people apply for the job uh they get go through an interview process they get selected so they're hired by the court.

16:24 So if you have a a certain bias in who gets appointed to the court because of the notorious blue slip process who can get through the uh archaic and frankly needs to go blue slip process in 2026. then you're going to have a um biased selection panel and you're going to have uh an outcome of this type of person. And even so I don't presume any person who administers justice is biased. I deeply respect judges and I think many of them try, to, do, the, right, thing, no matter whether they're Democrat or Republican. I've gotten good outcomes from Democratappointed judges particularly in constitutional issues. So, but but when you have a conflict of interest issue which emerged after this ruling, um you know, that's a concern. Every person every officer of the court, including myself, I've I've accused myself from cases here at the Department of Justice where I have a bias or a perceived bias.

17:22 It's actually not just a bias. It is avoiding the appearance of impropriy. And where your wife works for a guy who has prejudged the outcome of the issue the Face Act doesn't apply. um you know ICE is bad. We're going to get them. We're, going to, sue, them., Which,, by, the way, they've lost now at the ETH Circuit. We obtained an administrative stay from the ETH Circuit against that silly lawsuit that they filed to enjoin and endanger ICE officers. Uh that's a significant conflict. And so, I see some commentary out there. Why is the DOJ so dumb? Why did you present your arrest warrants to this judge? We do not judge shop. I don't know if the other side may do that. That's actually illegal and unethical. We cannot judge shop. We do not judge shop. Uh this was the randomly assigned magistrate. I don't know if we would have gotten a different outcome from another, but you know, we this one

18:14 should have recused himself in my opinion. That's just my opinion. Um but that's why you have that. Now, typically you go up the food chain. You don't like the outcome of the magistrate judge, you know, you get a chance to ask a district court judge. And so I'll just leave it at that. And then there are other moves we can make. We are literally not even a week away from this uh invasion of this church occurring. These arrests are rapid within the scope of how the DOJ normally operates. I can assure you. Uh and so, you know, there will be more to come in this case. I I I hope to identify with the help of the public video evidence and other data that we have at our disposal, which the FBI is working on, every single person who came uninvited into that house of God and get them.

19:01 How, soon, do, you, think, we'll, see, more arrests? Um,, arrest, warrants, have, to, be, signed off, you know, by this process. So, I it hopefully will be days, but I I can't give any promises.

19:16 Yep., Yeah., We're, somewhat, beholden, to the judiciary. We're, totally, beholden, on, that., Can, I ask you about some elements on the face act? So to to prove a violation under the Face Act, you have to prove that by force, threats, or physical obstruction they've interfered with religious observance. And Dave Arinberg, who we love, he's former Palm Beach County attorney. He's a Democrat. He says he's a centrist. Um, but he he said on the show the other day in a debate with Mike Davis that he doesn't think you guys are going to pass the force, threats, or physical obstruction piece of the act because he's looked at the case law and said in his interpretation, typically force uh or physical obstruction would suggest preventing exit from the church. Like in the abortion clinic cases, it was people blocking women from trying to get into the clinic. And I took issue with that Har, because there was a famous case

20:12 just over the past couple years under the Biden DOJ where they went after abortion. It was an abortion clinic. There was actually two people who went after one of these pregnancy uh counseling centers with negative spray paint on the outside of it. And it said something like, this isn't exact, but it was something to the effect of either you'll support abortion or you're going to get it. You know, it was like it was a threatening kind of spray paint, but there was no blocking of anything, but it was a threat. So, it might have been considered quote threatening. You tell me whether those people were physically obstructing or using force. I don't know. But in that church, the behavior was threatening, Har I just don't think there's any argument that they that they were not threatening the people saying hands up, don't shoot. Kids don't know what that means. They don't know it's a reference to Ferguson. They hear hands

21:01 up and they hear people talking about shooting. They have the aggressive William Kelly shouting in their faces with I mean explicit like anger and and challenges and insults. They have kids running out of the church, getting in the van, slamming the doors to get away from people, screaming in their faces. They have kids cowering. They have kids crying. You tell me how you make the force threats or physical obstruction piece of the statute.

21:28 Okay., Absolutely., So,, first, of, all, we've had the Face Act since 1994. There have been many prosecutions under the Face Act, almost all of them against pro-life um protesters or silent objectors. And you have you can't just look at the words of the statute. You have to look at how the courts have interpreted it and what convictions have been had and upheld on appeal. And so for example, there have been numerous convictions by the Biden DOJ. Uh, I think I can count of three cases off the top of my head where people were convicted for silently praying outside an abortion clinic, not chaining themselves to the doors or blocking the entrance, and certainly not going inside and creating a ruckus and shouting at people um on an operating table. That's that's, so, so so, that's, not, the, standard.

22:14 The case you mentioned is Orura Pesa versus United States, which I personally argued and defended the conviction of in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals just three or four months ago. And I went into court and defended the Clan Act application to this particular fact pattern. And the some people who were charged with face act violations in that case, some of the conspirators plead guilty. And so you're correct. This was spray painting. This was aggressive threats, kind of violent threats. And in response to those threats, each of these uh clinics, which were religiously based clinics, had to hire additional security. They had to not allow walk-ins to their clinic. So, they weren't able to serve some women in crisis. They required appointments only. They had to you know, the workers there were in fear. Some people called out sick because they were afraid. And this organization was called Jane's Revenge.

23:08 It's kind of a you know, I would call it quasi terrorist organization designed to terrorize people of faith. And uh and this was in the wake of of the DOS decision.

23:22 So, when, you, look, at, the, case, law,, um people have been convicted under the face act for much much less than exactly what happened here. But let's look at the words of the protesters themselves. First of all, William Kelly shouted racial racially charged language within this church and also outside the church. He made it clear that the white and Christian nature of these people was part of the motivation of harassing them. Don Lemon himself stated before and after that the purpose of this so-called protest obstruction was to put people in fear and make them uncomfortable and make them traumatize them. Um and then we have photographs of children crying and their mothers hugging them and moms ushering children out the back and and strong Christian men standing up to defend their families. that is in response to putting them in fear. And you're absolutely correct. You're using the word shoot and hands up in a house

24:23 of God. You're shouting out and obstructing the purpose for which people are there. If this isn't a violation of the FACE act, I don't know what is. And I think uh I think the law is very clear. We all feel strongly about it. I have career prosecutors, nonpartisan prosecutors working on this case. And by the time we gathered this video evidence and interviewed some witnesses on Sunday and Monday, we had no question that this is a violation of both the Face Act and for the organizers and people who planned it, the Clan Act as well.

24:54 Abby, LOL, uh, who, we've, discussed, is representing Lemon put out a statement that reads as follows. in part the magistrate's reported actions denying the um probable cause existed for the warrant confirmed the nature of Don's first amendment protected work. It was no different than what he has done for more than 30 years reporting and covering newsworthy events. What's your response to that har the first amendment argument being made by Abby lol and lemon?

25:18 So, let, me, first, of, all, let, me, step, back for a second. I am a first amendment activist and lawyer for more than three decades. I have litigated numerous first amendment cases, including to the United States Supreme Court and won many on behalf of journalists. I usually represent the journalists in my private practice. I've been a journalist. I have deep respect for the First Amendment. I've even been on the board of the American Civil Liberties Union um many years ago after the Patriot Act. So, no one cares about the First Amendment more than I do. And we checked our boxes and did our homework before we uh applied for this arrest warrant. Now, Abby Lel I respect him as a lawyer. He's a successful and smart lawyer. He's He's talking out of his, you know, he's talking out of he he is um he's fabricating. I'm trying to be I'm trying to be um out of his ear.

26:05 I'm, trying, to, be, uh, decorous, here, as, a DOJ official. Uh so he is um making things up.

26:12 There, is, no, basis, for, him, to, say, that the magistrate judge's decision is just because Don Lemon was a so-called journalist. That is, I think inaccurate. and it is a fantasy. Uh now ultimately at trial that would be a defense I would expect Abby Lel or whoever Don Lemon gets at that point because you know people change lawyers sometimes who knows what happens but whoever the lawyer is I expect them to make a journalism argument and there were a couple of other journalists. Um William Kelly is described as a journalist. In fact, he is thanked by the by the first person arrested that um that 501c3, I'm forgetting her name. Um her name

26:56 Nikima, Armstrong. Armstrong., Nikima, Armstrong, tagged, and thanked him as an embedded journalist. Does anyone think that guy's a journalist? I don't think he's a journalist, but he was thanked as a journalist. Uh and he has a blog or some kind of following and that he shouts into the camera. Not a journalist. Sorry. when you are, and by the way, let me also add, you can be a journalist but when a journalist is also committing a crime, it's black letter law that they're not cloaked from prosecution because it's not like a magic invisibility cloak from Harry Potter where you can put it on and not be a criminal because you're a journalist.

27:31 That's not how it works. Journalists can and have been convicted of crimes in our country where they break the law. And let me give you some examples of the prior administration going after journalists. So January 6th, there was a Blaze um Blaze reporter who was in the crowd who was prosecuted and convicted in the January 6ation. Correct. Uh I have represented Project Veraritoss and the journalists at Project Veraritoss who did not publish Ashley Biden's diary and yet they had to expend hundreds of thousands of dollars defending the First Amendment in the Southern District of New York where the weaponized DOJ went after We had James O'Keeffe on our show after that happened. They raided James O'Keefe's home at 5 in the morning with the New York Times suddenly just somehow aware of it simultaneously.

28:25 They, tried, to, humiliate, him and, the, and, there, was, there, was, as, far as I know there's been no FBI raid at Don Lemon's home yet. But the so this is this is recent history where Biden's DOJ went after a journalist for not even publishing a story, not actually doing what Don Lemon did, which was be join the mob, committing the crime.

28:43 Not, just, James,, but, two, other journalists employed by Project Veraritoss were all subjected to this organized theater. And and think about it, I that was the flimsiest case I ever saw. It's really truly outrageous uh abuse of power by the prior administration. And yet they had no problem getting search warrants. Um, and they had no problem than forcing and dragging uh, Project Veraritoss and its lawyers, I was one of the lawyers, full disclosure, through the mud and and and trying to pierce and invade attorney client privilege as well as the first amendment. Uh, and and there there have been other cases. Let me give you a state court example. Kla Harris, you did the one and only prosecution of any journalist in California history under California's wiretapping statute because David Deiden, again, my client, uh, was an undercover journalist who exposed Planned Parenthood and National Abortion

29:40 Federation's lucrative fetal part trafficking business. He audio taped and videotaped them in public places, in restaurants, in bars, in hotel lobbies. clearly not covered by the wiretapping statute, the process is the punishment on the left. Uh so you will notice that although we had um you know choreographed arrests here did did it carefully so that no one got hurt. We didn't have Fox News or you know News Nation or Newsmax over there uh or any other journalism outlet with cameras videotaping that. That that's that's not appropriate. We didn't do that. And I know that there's some folks on my side who would love to see quote unquote that kind of theater, but most importantly we want our officers who are making these arrests to be safe. And we want the public to be safe. And I I do not think that's an appropriate behavior by the Department of Justice. Yet, they did that repeatedly. They did that to Roger

30:35 Stone. They did that to so many others. They did that to Steve Bannon. So two wrong I learned as a small child two wrongs don't make a right. Um, so we are going to go about our business here at the DOJ methodically, carefully. Uh the attorney general is a very serious person. She was an attorney general before in Florida and she has the utmost respect for judges and for equal protection and due process. And that's how we're going to operate here. But we're going to operate with aggressiveness and zeal. And I I think in Minnesota, we're absolutely demonstrating that. And this is just a tiny sliver of what's going on in that corrupt jurisdiction. we are going after the same week last week we we went after um the governor and the mayor there Jacob Fry and others and so we intend to hold these people accountable and I think we're just scratching the surface of what's happening here but people need

31:29 to have some patience you know Megan as an attorney yourself that this isn't law and order where everything gets wrapped up nicely from beginning to end in 46 minutes with commercial breaks that's just not how it works and uh you know we have we want prosecutions that stick and people need to understand sometimes we're facing a biased process and that's what's happened happening to us so far but we don't let it rest that's why we have appeals courts that's why we have the Supreme Court and we're 100% dedicated to holding every single person in this instance and many others I mean I have several other face act cases and investigations open with respect to synagogues we've we've obtained convictions in several cases of attacks on churches in the last um nine months uh under under um my civil rights division because we take that very seriously.

32:20 I, didn't, know, that., That's, actually, good news. I've watched it. I mean, I've watched some of these cases played out play out. I was just at there at the Supreme Court a week and a half ago watching your deputy out there arguing the case on whether boys uh bans against boys and girls sports were appropriate and constitutional. I think it's going to go your way. But it the Trump administration is Trump passes an executive order or he gets behind a state law in in his rhetoric uh that's doing the right thing and then you get a legal challenge and then bit by bit it works its way up through the Supreme Court to the Supreme Court and you guys get in there and argue it and you're amassing a very solid win record. You can't win them all but you're amassing a very solid win record. It doesn't happen in 42 minutes without commercial breaks.

33:02 That's not sadly that's not how real life works when it comes to the law. I admire you and I'm really grateful for you to be on Carme. Thank you. Good luck with it and we'll stay in touch.

33:11 Thanks, for, having, us,, Megan., I appreciate it. Yeah,, we, are, so, lucky, to, have, her., My god, you guys. We don't know how lucky we are to have her. She's been in the trenches for years now working on these cates. I mean, these cases, Har always took on like noble defendants who were being harassed by people like the Biden administration, like the James O'Keefe case. just just to take one. Um there was no glory in that, right? It's not like she she knew she was going to get big money out of defending James O'Keefe, but she was like, "Screw this harassing government." And now to have her on the other side to be able to exercise the appropriate restraint. She doesn't want to be what she's been arguing against for all these years, but also to know the tricks of the trade and how to use them when you do find actual villains. We're so lucky. And Pam Bondi's been doing the right thing, too.

34:05 She's leading this. She's on the ground boots on the ground out in Minneapolis and they're figuring out what exactly they're up against with these judges. And Har mentioned the subpoenas that were issued to Walls and Jacob Fry and Ellison and another uh last week because there's a question about whether they have been obstructing the feds in their effort to enforce federal law. It's one thing to not cooperate, to stay neutral. It's another to actively obstruct. And so they're going to get to the bottom of that as well. Don't go away.

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36:17 defense judgment without having to go to trial. And the hearing on it was yesterday. It's fully briefed. And now in connection with the uh this hearing coming at us, the defense motion has been released. And that's why you've probably seen all these text messages or headlines in the news about text messages that Blake Lively sent between Blake and Taylor Swift, between Blake and Matt Damon and his wife and Ben Affleck and others. And we're going to talk about all the text messages. I mean, I have stacks on my desk. This stack over here is is all Har and Minneapolis and all that. This stack right here for the listening audience it's like covers almost the whole desk lengthwise is all Baldoni and and uh Blake Lively. There's so much in the text messaging. It's very fascinating. I mean, I'm going to start with this. I'll get to this when the lawyers join me next hour, but like in the law, we have the concept of the

37:10 eggshell plif. And it's like there are certain plaintiffs who are like the tiniest little thing and suddenly they they have severe impermanent, you know cervical neck injuries, right? like h do they um she is a total eggshell pliff. My god, she like the stuff that she was whining about in these text messages as evidence of Justin Baldon's just disgusting sexual harassment is so pathetic. Either she is the thinnest skin person alive or she was just trying to screw him over, you know, or she just decided that she wanted this movie to be hers and in her effort to bully him out really set him up with her power by going to actresses with less power than she had and so on and trying to jin up a little campaign against him. And you know, do you remember when this case first started get getting going? It was like he said, she said. He started fighting back. The the allegations started to look pretty flimsy on her

38:11 part. And then Blake's team dropped a bunch of stuff saying, "Oh, no, no, it wasn't just Blake. You'll see." Other women on set also thought he was a creep. And I remember talking to you guys about it saying, "All right, well that that's interesting. Like, if there's a parade of female witnesses we're gonna say, "Oh, no, no, no. Like he, meed, me, or, he, whatever.", All right, now you got my attention. Now, we're starting to get a better feel for who they're talking about. There's one woman who they cite in these text messages who is one of the co-host or co-stars of the movie and it is pathetic. Like what she's saying he did is pathetic. All right, so there's a lot to get into.

38:46 Sorry, that's just a long tease for what's coming up in about a half an hour when the lawyers join me. But there's some hard news that I want to get to before we go there. There is a huge story in the news. We covered it on AM update and it is yet another attempt to smear ICE and it's gotten the left frothing at the mouth. They're so excited about this 5-year-old boy who was taken with his father um to a facility because they are deporting the father. The father is here illegally as is the mother is our understanding. And they swooped in and they tried to remove the guy. They tried to arrest the guy so that they could remove him. And here's what happened. The left ran with, "Oh my god, they used this little kid as bait."

39:34 That's what they want us to believe. They used him as bait. They're trying to use children to sort of get um get their illegal immigrant parents arrested which is not at all what happened. That's incorrect. Um, and that all came as far as I can tell, from one one person who was at the school district who decided to weigh in and use that term. They used him as bait. And ICE has denied that entirely. And the facts do not support that either. All right. I I do want to talk about it. Let's see. It was u Yeah, the school board chair for Columbia Heights Public School. Um, she's the one who first got this started. Do we have her sound bite Deb? Or she she says uh he was used as bait s 28. Let's listen to it.

40:22 And, as, I, got, out, of, my, car, and, came around the corner, I heard what are you doing? Don't take the child. His mom like there are people here that can take him. There was a um another adult who lived in the home that was there saying "I will take the child. I will take the child." Um somebody else was yelling. They saw that I was there and said "School is here. They can take the child. you don't have to take them. Um and there were there were there was ample opportunity uh to be able to safely hand that child off to adults.

40:55 Um, and mom mom was there. She saw out the window and dad was yelling, "Please do not open the door. Don't open the door." Because of the other picture that I'm sure you've seen where there's a little boy knocking at the door with an ICE agent looming over him. And just one the second question is are you accusing ICE of using children as bent? Yes. I mean that it it's very clear from the pictures from the videos from firsthand accounts. I was there. Um this is what happened. Okay. Fed to her obviously by a reporter. I think that's CNN. We're checking. Um using the child debate. So what happened was ICE went to this home to arrest to it's for the purposes of deportation the illegal father and mother. I believe they're both in there and they're both here illegally. That's what ICE tells us. They have a 5-year-old son and when the dad pulled up in his car, they they approached the dad and the dad ran. This is all from

42:01 ICE. The dad ran. He made a run for it. Now, they want you to believe that the dad has a lawyer and all the leftist media, that he was here illegal, that he was here legally because he was seeking asylum. That's not true. I'm going to get into it in a second, but uh if he was here legally and there was no problem, why why did he run? Why did he run? Ask yourself that. Just common sense. Uh he ran and he left his 5-year-old boy behind in the car. Then the ICE agents, some of them ran after the guy and some stayed with the little boy so that he wouldn't be abandoned in the cold weather with no parent there. Meanwhile, they tried to get the mother to come outside of the house and the witnesses report that they sent the boy up to the door to knock on the door. The mother wouldn't come out.

42:49 She wouldn't come out. So, I don't know whether they sent the boy up to go knock on the door or not. I accept that woman's testimonial that that happened. There's nothing wrong with that. That's not bait. They were already on scene. They were focused on the father. And by the way, I'm assuming the mother is here illegally. She's fair game, too. They wanted her to come outside because they wanted to see if she would take her little boy. That's actually why they were trying to get the mother. And the father's telling her when because they eventually got the dad and brought him back um not to open the door because the father doesn't want the mother to go.

43:20 ICE then promised the woman she would not be arrested. She was not going to be deported at this point. No, she wouldn't. She wouldn't listen. Okay, she doesn't trust ICE. Fine. But at that point, what was I supposed to do? This is what JD Vance was saying. What do they do? Do they just leave the child? Let him wander. Here's JD Vance on that.

43:42 District, here, is, alleging, ICE, agents detaining a 5-year-old. Are you proud of how your administration is conducting this immigration crackdown here in Minnesota right now? Well, I'm proud of the fact that we're standing behind law enforcement and I'm proud of the fact that we're enforcing the country's laws. But, you know, you asked a question about this 5-year-old kid and I see this story and I'm a father of a 5-year-old actually, a 5-year-old little boy, and I think to myself, "Oh my god, this is terrible. How did we arrest a 5-year-old?" Well, I do a little bit more follow-up research and what I find is that the 5-year-old was not arrested that his dad was an illegal alien. And then they went when they went to arrest his illegal alien father, the father ran. So the story is that ICE detained a 5-year-old. Well, what are they supposed to do? Are they supposed to let a 5-year-old child freeze to death? Are

44:29 they not supposed to arrest an illegal alien in the United States of America? Right., What, were, they, supposed, to, do? just okay. I guess there's no one to take him because we are arresting this dad and can't find another parent willing to claim him. Fox News reports that they did not know whether anyone else was home at the time, that they had the child knock on the door to see if anyone else, family of his, was home and that there wasn't. Um, so we don't know exactly how that went down, but we do believe now that the mother was inside and that she wouldn't come out and that she wouldn't claim the child. And the ICE agents were now in a position of saying, "Will you take your kid?" No.

45:12 And then you heard the school board lady say, "Well, they I was ready to take him." Mary Granland is her name, school board chair for Columbia Heights Public School. She was talking about how the little boy Liam's mother was at the window watching and didn't open the door. She said, "I would have taken the child." You're an idiot. They can't just give this little boy to anyone. All right? Like, can you imagine? This is how he got in trouble under the Biden years where he was allowing like some random adults to take custody of the children coming across the border with their families that he could say that there wasn't separation, but there was separation. And some kids had been getting sent with their families um across the border thinking that they'd have a, better, shot, of, just, being, left here that we wouldn't bother them. And then we were putting them with child molesters. This is a story we covered

46:03 here on the MK show. So they cannot just give the child even to a school board member. By the way, they can be perverts too. Um I'm not saying this particular woman. I'm just saying in general they don't know. And there are protocols. And by the way, these are the same protocols that were eventually put into place under other previous administrations. So they say you got two options and we've covered this many times. This is what they do when they deport an illegal who's here. They say you you the parent can give me an adult to whom I can give the child or you can take him with you.

46:36 Those are your options. And this father who's now in custody says I want to take him with me. They said fine. That's what happened. Now the father has a lawyer who's, saying, no, no no, no., He, was, an asylum seeker not an illegal. And technically, if you're here validly claiming asylum, or not validly, they'll determine whether it's valid in a court. But if you if you get to a point of entry, you have to you have to assert that you're here seeking asylum at a valid point of entry in the in the United States and then they give you a certain like paperwork and so on, and then you can be here for a certain amount of time till you get your asylum hearing. Usually, if it gets and then it gets denied, you usually have to get out, but they don't leave. Well, under Joe Biden, he issued this new edict, you may remember, right after he took office, saying, "Now, I have something called the CBP1 app, and you can fill

47:22 out an application under this app if you're an illegal, and you can cross the border, and you can say that you're seeking asylum, and for 2 years, we won't deport you. We'll treat you as an asylum seeker, and we'll adjudicate your claim, and then technically, you wouldn't be here illegally." Well, that was in 2023 ultimately when he issued that. It would have expired by its terms in 2025, but when Trump took office in 2024. Well, he was he won in 2024. He took office in January 2025 he canled that order. Trump wiped the whole thing out, saying, "Nope, we're not doing that anymore. Um, enjoy your previous claims of asylum, but they're done." It led to an ongoing class action lawsuit seeking nationwide class action saying you can't terminate early. By the way, it was about to terminate anyway.

48:10 It only went for two years. It started in 23. And uh they sought a class certification. These immigrants saying you can't just terminate it overnight. And they've recently moved for summary judgement in their favor, which was denied. That was denied. So they did not get summary judgment in their favor. So under either the terms of that CBB asylum given by Joe Biden, which would have expired in two years, and certainly by what President Trump did, which was to yank it for everybody as soon as he got into office, these guys are not valid asylum seekers. He said to all of you, "That's done. I'm not honoring that. Get out." He said, "You can use the CBP app. We will give you a plane ticket for you and your family to go back to your country of origin, and we'll also give you $2,600.

48:53 And on top of that, if you go through this app to depart and take this deal we will treat you as though you've never done anything unlawful or you've never even tried to get here the next time you properly attempt. All of that has been offered to this man and his son, but Trump somehow is the demon. Homeman is the demon. ICE is the demon. It's a lie. It's a manipulation. And we'll be right back with more. Let's talk about all family pharmacy. They do what pharmacies are supposed to. They just do it better. They get people the medications they need fast and at a fair price. When you don't want to wait in line or deal with insurance headaches and you want your medications delivered straight to your home, All Family Pharmacy makes it simple. When everyone around you is getting sick and you want to be prepared instead of reactive consider All Family Pharmacy. And when your doctor refuses to prescribe

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50:17 Use the code Megan 10 when you check out to save 10%. Okay, so don't believe the lies about the 5-year-old boy. Uh his he is with his father in a facility and they're going to be deported together. The father was not here lawfully from the look of it. Even if he had used the CPP app as his lawyer claims and asked for asylum, that's over. Trump terminated it and um also it's been two years anyway and he he got here long before. In any event, that's the end of that. Don't believe the lies from Kla Harris or Hillary Clinton or others. Um JD Vance was on fire yesterday when he went to Minneapolis to try to like calm the waters. Like he was very reasonable. He was giving points where he needed to but he was trying to remind people of what the true narrative here that they're trying to get rid of very very bad guys. And here was a direct message he had for Governor Walsh and Minneapolis Mayor Fry. S22

51:10 Minneapolis, Police, Department., My understanding is that the actual beat cops on the ground, they would love to help out, but they're being told by somebody. I don't know if it's Mayor Frey, they're being told by somebody not to cooperate at all. Sex offenders who were trying to get off the streets who the local officials won't tell us their last known address. So then the local officials say, "Oh my god, these guys are doing widespread targeted enforcement operations." When in reality, we would love to just go to one house. the local officials won't tell us which one house to go to. There's been this weird reaction you again unique to this city. This is not a common thing across the United States of America.

51:49 There's been a very unique very Minneapolis specific reaction to our enforcement of federal immigration laws. What I'm trying to do here today is understand why that is. What is it about Minneapolis that has become so chaotic? Look, I don't need Tim Walls or Jacob Frey or anybody else to come out and say that they agree with JD Vance or Donald Trump on immigration. I just don't need that. What I do need them to do is empower their local officials to help our local or help our federal officials out in a way where this can be a little bit less chaotic and it can be a little bit more targeted. Like if we're trying to find a sex offender, tell us where the guy lives.

52:26 Right?, Seems, to, make, perfect, sense,, does it not? But they won't. They're they're much more focused on their little theatrics and their walk out. out there doing a walk out today at 2 p.m. I think Minnesota time. Uh out of school, out of work. Didn't we just try that on Tuesday? I guess it didn't get enough attention. Jane Fonda is going to be on site because yeah, she's never seen a leftist cause she doesn't want to join. Uh so we'll report on how that goes to you when we come back on Monday. In the meantime, we've got antics like this from college kids from the University of Minnesota in S 41A protesting outside of a hotel late at night, making all sorts of noise, trying to keep the vice president awake, believing that he was inside trying to get some sleep for the night.

53:22 Okay, this comes from Jess Palmadessa on Tik Tok. She got this and um the the problem the problem for these protesters is that JD Vance had left Minnesota 5 hours before that that happened. So, you know, like a little bit of homework could really save you a lot of time. Instead though, the hotel and more importantly the local police appear to have let these protesters disturb the peace for every other person staying in that hotel, not to mention the surrounding area for who knows how long. I guess they considered it worth it because they thought they might be upsetting JD Vance, who was long gone and probably by this point asleep at the vice president's residence in Washington DC. Can you imagine if you were in that hotel how angry you would be? What kind of is that? Okay, these people are nuts. I think we know that. Um, and that's why they protested at that church because they're truly nuts. By the way

54:23 JD had a message for them, too. And this was where he was much more firm. You know, he gave them points where he could like, okay, we're going to look into that. We definitely don't want what racial profiling said. You know, we will look into that. But on some things, you could tell he knew he was on Terra Firma and he acted like it. Saw 21.

54:42 It's, very, simple., And, most, of, these protesters, as as much as I may disagree with their politics, most of them have been peaceful, but a lot of them have not been peaceful. And if you go and storm a church, if you go and insult a federal law enforcement officer, we are going, to, try, very, hard., We're, going to use every resource of the federal government to put you in prison. Respect people's rights. Respect people's rights to worship. respect people's rights to do their job without being assaulted. If you follow that basic principle, the Trump administration is going to do everything that we can to protect your rights. But if you go after somebody, if you assault somebody, if you make a 9-year-old girl cry because you walked into a church and harassed her, we're going to go after you with every single tool.

55:23 Great., That's, exactly, right., And, that's what we heard, of course, from Harmy Dylan, too, that they made sure these charges were brought before this Sunday so that people could go to service in peace and not have to worry about being harassed. So, good for him. And he made that unambiguous. And I think everybody there has gotten the message that you try this you're going to have handcuffs on you. And I don't give two shits what Don Lemon thinks. Good for them for slapping the cuffs on and doing a per walk. That was the point. It was necessary to send a message that we are not going to tolerate this nonsense at all. You comply or you get the handcuffs and the perw walk. Got it? Very simple.

56:06 Even these dumb asses should be able to follow it. And I do mean dumb asses. I've been trying to find a place to show you this. The whole team has been laughing about this all week. You know they they've gotten really nutty out there. We showed you that I think it was a trans person. She was bald with the nose ring. They all have the nose ring. Heavy, kind of sweaty, was singing some sort of oporetic about about how much she hated Ice. There's There's been some charmers here. By the way, it's not going well for for Lizzy, who's looking for a date desperately. Very very sad update in the Lizzy case, which we'll get to at some point. Uh, but let me bring you here to this lady who decided to make use of the anti-ICE version of the Battle Hymn of the Republic for the listening audience.

56:52 She has a an entire basket on her face. There's a There's a whole basket on her face here. She's an Instead of a basket case, she's a she's a basket face. S 41B.

57:03 Glory., Glory., Hallelu. It, looks, like, a, KKK, hatal with, like, the, top, of, a, wicker, laundry basket on the front as the mask. Children come to me. The son of God has said ice aents would rather put a bullet in their head.

57:29 Where, will, you, be, going, when, you, wind, up good and dead? Your soul will rot in hell.

57:39 All, right., I, mean,, she's, she's, got, the tune. I I mean, she can carry a tune. I mean, I suppose it's just for attention right? And she got on the Megan Kelly show, so good for her. But the these are not well people. Like who would look at that and say that's my team. Yeah. Want to sign up to be part of that. And like all I can think is that line from Joey Tribani and friends how he's lamenting his life. How he thought he'd be a movie star. But now I find myself teaching acting to to young people most of whom are too ugly to ever be on TV. That's I think probably what that girl's problem is. So, she went with the laundry basket wicker approach to her her mask problem to her face. Okay, speaking of nutcases here, there's a couple of them here.

58:23 Now, this person you you know how Jesse Kelly like takes bets on what the likely professions are of these people and he you I think he he usually uh one of the things he definitely always picks is school teacher and possible nurse. Yeah here we go. So, there's a registered nurse here from Ohio who posts a video about Caroline Levit who you may know is pregnant with her second baby. She's expecting a baby girl who will have a big brother who's only about a year and a half older than she is. And you know, that's the kind of thing you can put partisan politics aside on and say, "Congrats. It's wonderful the continuation of the human race. Sweet babies being born. Love it."

59:07 Not so much for certain leftists. Take a look at this lady in stop 42. My, wish, for, Caroline., Love, it., She, is pregnant with a baby girl. And I truly do hope that baby is so healthy. I hope she's healthy and headstrong. so headstrong in fact that as she is emerging into this world through Caroline's geriatric tech garage that she tears her from bow to stern grade four tear like so big that when she she gets out of the shower naked and walks across the room like she accidentally picks up dog toys. Yeah. That's my wish for you, Caroline.

1:00:01 What, a, pig. I mean, truly, what a disgusting foul pig. That person is closer to swine than she is to anything I I know as like a decent human. I like I don't get that. That's It's so It's so on brand for the same team that's been imitating the Charlie Kirk assassination gleefully. um you know the people with the shooting in the neck like it's something we should make fun of like that Lucy Garcia as far as I know still with the teachers union in Chicago and now here's this nurse who has taken down her account. So right on MAGA because you sent her a message about decency and how we're not going to tolerate that She, will, be, shamed., We're, not going to hurt her, but she's going to be shamed. And her employer should be told that this is what she wishes for Republican women. Caroline Levit hasn't done anything. She doesn't set policy.

1:00:59 She's a spokesperson for President Trump. So really, her sin is that she's proTrump and she's a Republican woman. And that woman should come nowhere near right-leaning women in a hospital. Nowhere near. Is she a labor and delivery nurse? Is she hoping for a grade four tear? you disgusting filthy pig. For any right- leaning woman um, this is sick. This is actual mental illness. And I'm sorry to tell you she's not alone. Here's another leftist woman on TikTok talking about the newly pregnant,, or, at least, it's, been, newly announced. The baby's due in July. Usha Vance, our second lady sought 40.

1:01:41 Usha, Vance,, that, is, gross., See, y'all, that's why it is so important that we teach our daughters to have self-love and selfrespect. There is no amount of proximity to power or money. The quickness with which I would be in my closet looking for a hanger, the amount of penny royalty I would be drinking, the size of the staircase. Okay. Does Erica know? Did y'all like text her personally or did she find out on the interwebs like the rest of us?

1:02:15 Gross. Here she's pretending to throw up. So she wants Usha to kill JD's baby with a coat hanger. That's her that's her advice. Uh that she should do anything. Drink copious amounts of alcohol, throw herself down a flight of stairs, etc. to kill her child, her her baby boy that she shares with the sitting vice president because of politics. Um, Usha Vance again, what has she done? She married someone she fell in love with at Yale Law School. She went on to become a successful lawyer, like really successful. You don't you don't clerk for Chief Justice John Roberts if you're not really damn smart. Um, practiced law, was a supporting, loving wife and mother, has three kids already, two boys and a girl, and now another boy on the way. And this woman wants her to throw herself down a flight of stairs or stick a coat hanger in her uterus so that the child can be killed. I mean, that the level of depravity here is beyond. Not

1:03:15 to mention the gratuitous reference to Erica, a leftist fantasy that JD and Erica are having an affair because Erica gave him one of Erica's great hugs, as you guys saw her do to me uh on the tour. It's not sexual, it's loving. She's a spiritual person. I mean, truly Erica hugs you when you feel like you're closer to God. But this pig wants to find something nefarious in it or disloyal in some way because JD Vance was on the receiving end of an Erica Kirk hug. This is there's no saving these people. I mean, this is like it's a cult. It's a bizarre cult of weirdo re weirdo leftist hate. That's what we're seeing there. And I mean, look, we're used to seeing it in so many contexts but like Minnesota has really brought out the crazies, right? There's a lot of these Tik Tok videos inspired by what we're seeing in Minnesota and the ice crackdowns. One one actually brought me some joy. I'm not going to lie. It's

1:04:12 from my favorite Patty Lupon and yours too. Come on. Yours, too, by this point. Even if you I know most of you do not live anywhere near Broadway in New York but most people at one point or another in their lives have been to Broadway and seen a Broadway show. And this woman is like the queen of Broadway. And she's so fun in her hate. Like, I have to I have to tell you, I I adore her meltdowns. She's just She's like a She's on the on the razor's edge. You just She's hair trigger away from losing it at all times. She's like a Katie Porter, this gal. So, before I show you the latest I'm just going to walk you down a little memory lane with Patty because, you know, she's so fun. I went to her show.

1:04:55 I went to her show company um not a couple years ago with two of my priest friends and she behaved herself on stage but she it was during COVID and you still had have your mask up and man if you didn't have that mask all the way up to the nose those ushers were LIKE MASKS UP MASKS UP I was like hello okay but anyway here she was right around that time frame after the fact they were sitting there having like a a Q&A and boy oh boy she was not happy that one of the audience members didn't have the mask just is Patty likes it here in stop 48C.

1:05:28 Put, your, mask, over, your, nose., That's, why you're in the theater. That is the rule. If you don't want to follow the rule GET THE OUT.

1:05:38 OKAY. I'm, one, of, your, fans. You, do, not, respect, the, PEOPLE, THAT, ARE SITTING AROUND YOU.

1:05:47 You, pay, my, salary., Chris Harper pays my salary. Who, do, you, think, you, are? Just put your mask over your nose.

1:06:01 Yeah., So,, she's, a, really, lovely, lady. Um, that's not all. She went on the View in 2023 and had this message 48D.

1:06:12 I, don't, know, what, the, difference, between our Christian right and the Taliban is. I have no idea what the difference is.

1:06:17 You're, not, the, only, person, who's, said that. I, don't, I, just, don't, know, what, the difference is. Yeah, what's happening in this country right now in the name of religion is so dangerous.

1:06:29 Okay,, so, she, she, thought, it, would, be, a good time to weigh in on Minneapolis and she this time she has some inspiration. It's an inspirational message for the protesters. Take a look at this latest Instagram post. S48B.

1:06:43 I'm, Patty, Leone., I, am, standing, in solidarity with the brave people of Minnesota who are fighting back against the hostile takeover of their state by ICE and the Trump administration with a day of truth and freedom January 23rd tomorrow.

1:06:59 Motans, are, coming, together, to, protest ICE with a general strike. That means no work, no school, no shopping. We still have our First Amendment rights to free speech and to protest. And the best way to protect those rights is to use them. How ICE is treating our neighbors is horrifying and wrong. If you'd like to support our motan brothers and sisters, go to iceoutmn.com for more information. If you're in Minnesota, join the march tomorrow at 2 p.m. in the Commons downtown. I'm with you, Minnesota. We all are.

1:07:39 Oh my god, she looks terrifying. Okay for the listening audience, she's got the very short sort of, you know, I don't know what you like, not even a bob, just like a man's hair. Uh, very very short. She's got blue glasses on and she looks like a hostage. You got to go look at this online, please listening audience. She looks terrifying and terrified at the same time. And what is with the hard pronunciation of every consonant? Is that her theatrical training? Because to it I object. We Steve, you got to find the number of the episode where we went back and did the long long Patty Leone story. It was one of my favorite things ever. You guys remember this where she got into this this fight with a fellow Broadway actress, a couple of them, but the the other actress who really she she got in a fight with was black. So, you know Patty Lupon's side of the aisles rules.

1:08:38 Patty loses, Sorry. The old white lady never defeats the younger black lady. That's the rule on your side Patty. I didn't make them. You did. And now you're going to have to listen to it. So, what happened there was she was in a show, Patty, called The Roommate which shared a wall, the theater, with actress Kesha Lewis's show, Hell's Kitchen, which is the Alicia Keys musical. And Patty was upset because it was too loud. She spoke with the head of the other theater. She asked him if he could fix the noise problem because it's a musical. It's Alicia Keys. It's loud.

1:09:11 Well, Kesha thought that was racist because she labeled a black show loud. We actually have it. It's s 48e. Just for fun, let's listen to

1:09:23 Miss, Leone., These, actions,, in, my opinion, are bullying. They're offensive. They are racially microaggressive. They're rude. They're rooted in privilege. And these actions also lack a sense of community and leadership for someone as yourself who has been in the business as long as you have.

1:09:41 I, want, to, explain, what, a, microaggression is. These are subtle, unintentional comments or actions that convey stereotypes, biases, or negative assumptions about someone based on their race. Examples include calling a black show loud in a way that dismisses it. Referring to a predominantly black Broadway show as loud can unintentionally reinforce harmful stereotypes, and it also feels dismissive of the artistry and the voices that are being celebrated on stage. Miss Leapone, I respectfully submit to you that you owe us an apology, not flowers.

1:10:22 Okay. Well, she wasn't ready to apologize cuz then Patty sat down with the New Yorker and they talked all about her little controversy. And here's the quote. Oh my god, Patty Lupone said binging when I brought up the incident. Here's the problem. She's talking here about um that actress Kesha Lewis. She calls herself a veteran. Let's find out how many Broadway shows Kesha Lewis has done because she doesn't know what the she's talking about. She She googled how many she had done. She's done seven. I've done 31. Don't call yourself a vet She's so charming. But she really really wants you to go to the Minneapolis protest because she stands in solidarity with Minnesota. Okay that's your moral leader there. By the way, then there was a pylon of literally 600 Broadway stars calling her racist and degrading and misogynistic. And then guess what she did? Oh, and then they pulled the the the real Trump card. They

1:11:27 said she should not be welcomed at industry events, including the Tony's fundraisers, and public programs. And guess what Patty Leone did? Oh, she got down on that knee and bent it. She bent it. my friends, wasn't so angry in the moment. She used her best theatrical skills to feain empathy for the black community to whom she had caused such offense, and they forgave her. And now she's still trying to curry favor with them, sending her support to the protesters of Minnesota. So that's Patty Leone. That was an important one for me to get to. While we're on the subject of silly women doing silly things, yesterday Amy Clolobashar announced that well she didn't announce that she's running for governor of Minnesota, but she like filed the paperwork. So that's the first step. She's got it. She's obviously running. And um it it made some bring back a very funny clip of Amy Clolobashar because when she decided to

1:12:27 run for president in 2020 um and you remember Trump was going to be the Republican on the other side um she announced it on a very snowy day in Minnesota and um she was at that presidential announcement reading a pre-written speech that didn't really factor in what it was going to look like. We're showing the the visual audience video of her. She's got white hair. Her hair is brown, but her hair is completely white. In this clip, she's in the middle of a blizzard blowout. And the the the speech is all about climate change and global warming and how it's so warm. Like literally, she's covered in snow. So Trump made fun of fun of her at the time and said she looked like a snow woman. you know, it was just whatever a passing tweet that he did her true social like she looks like a snow woman. Well, in honor of this weekend storm, I think some people and her, you know, filing the paperwork for governor

1:13:22 yesterday. Some people decided to dredge up a clip. And let me just show you something. So Amy Clolobashar had a comeback to Trump on Twitter at the time. You're going to hear what it was in this clip. And let me just tell you she was really, really proud of her comeback. Look at this. It was put together uh by the Daily Show in 2019 and resurfaced on X just recently.

1:13:49 The, president, actually, sent, out, a, tweet. He made fun of me for talking about climate change in the middle of a blizzard and he called me snowwoman. So I wrote back, "Hey, Donald Trump, the science is on my side and I'd like to see how your hair would fare in a blizzard." So, I wrote back, "Hey, Donald Trump the science is on my side, and I'd like to see how your hair would fare in a blizzard." So, I wrote back, "Donald Trump, the science is on my side. And I'd like to see how your hair would fare in a blizzard."

1:14:32 There are 10,000 more examples. Literally, I mean, I like there might actually be 10 10,000. There are definitely dozens. dozens. She tells it the same way every time. How your hair would fare in a blizzard. All I could think about when I watched it was the amazing Parker Posie and the absurd characters that she plays from Best in Show, which was spectacular. And then most recently, her appearance with that fake southern accent in the White Lotus. We queued up a little bit of it just so you can see what where my mind went.

1:15:00 Here it is. We, flew, over, the, North, Pole., But, you're not a Buddhist. She's so gentle but also firm.

1:15:09 You, want, to, live, in, Taiwan? I, guess, you, need, your, family., You, do. Most people don't have good values. You You're getting me? Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Like she's giving off Parker Posey vibes. How your hair would look in a blizzard. It's like she's having, you know, some bathroom issues. Okay. Anyway, she could be the next governor of Minnesota. I feel like she's going to fit in just perfectly out there. She's going to replace Tampon possibly. Uh we'll see. We'll see about that. Okay. Now, I want to get to what's happening in the Baldoni and Lively lawsuit because there's a lot there are a lot of texts that we got to go through. We're going to do that when we come back with our pals from MK True Crime. The Marks are here today. Iglar and Garagos. Next Grand Canyon University, an affordable private Christian university based in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona, is one of

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1:16:58 It had been fairly quiet in the Justin Baldoni versus Blake Lively legal saga the last few weeks, but that changed days ago. They have a May trial date. Justin Baldoni is trying to get the case tossed before that. He wants judgment in his favor on the papers, summary judgment, saying there's no issue of material fact for a jury to decide on these sexual harassment claims, which is the basis, the basic case and claim against him, and that the judge should end this case in his favor right now. As part of his filings, we saw for the first time yesterday, they argued at the hearing um this motion. So this week his motion was released. It was unsealed. Daily Mail got their hands on it. a number of messages from A-list celebrities, including some very mean girl chats between Lively and none other than Taylor Swift. Here to help us break it all down and tell us what it means legally are two of our favorites and MK

1:17:50 True Crime hosts, criminal defense attorneys Mark Iglar and Mark Geragos. Go and subscribe to MK True Crime now on YouTube and all podcast platforms. just go into the podcast uh app and type in MK true crime and then you hit subscribe and you can follow them. Uh big announcements to come by the way. Mark and Mark, welcome. Boy oh boy, that May trial is going to keep you guys very very busy. Okay, but

1:18:14 so, so, this, was, the, defense, Baldon, trying to get the case thrown out. And before we get into the many, many, many texts which are very interesting, let's face it, how do you think it went for the defense Mark Ilar yesterday? Do you think they have a shot?

1:18:28 Anyone's, got, a, shot?, you, know,, like, Dumb and Dumber, you know, I I think this judge is going to let a jury decide factually whether there's enough here. You know, if we're talking about the regular workplace, when you ask someone how heavy they are or if you kiss them a little bit too much when they don't want that, it would seem that's out that's outrageous. That that's, you know that's not good at all for anyone being accused. But when you're making a romantic movie and there's kissing already involved and he needs to lift her for example, so he needs to know possibly how much she weighs or that was just an inappropriate comment. She got a back injury

1:19:06 you, know,, right?, So,, you, know,, the difficulty is going to be Lively being able to prove that this really rose to the level of what she's alleging.

1:19:16 My, general, impression, yesterday, Margaros, is that's that's what the defense was saying. Like these are petty Annie complaints that cannot possibly rise to the level of like serious and pervasive that would be needed to be able to prove a hostile work environment existed on that set. Especially considering that it was like this sexy film that involved a lot of very sexually charged scenes and she knew that going in. But the judge to the extent he said anything seems to have kind of not sided with Blake Lively but kind of been like h all those little things if you add them all up can equal a problematic environment. So what was your take on it?

1:19:59 So, in, full, disclosure, I, I, think, I've told you this before and you have disclosed as well. Brian Freriedman could not be a closer friend. I have not talked to him about this, but somebody else who was in the courtroom said this judge is so over this case that it's palpable. And I will tell you that if I'm Blake Lively, I don't understand what that AI created lawyer of hers is doing uh in this case because all of the stuff that that was revealed in terms of the text, what you labeled mean girl text, which I don't think there's a good way to put a spin on them. If you're Lively or Taylor Swift, I think make this look like a pox on both their houses at this point. And I don't know if he's going to kick it, but I've been in a courtroom with federal judges who just can't take another minute of it.

1:20:54 And I I get the feeling that that's where we're headed in this case. All right., Well,, I, mean,, he, only, has, the only power he has to get rid of it is to grant the motion for summary judgement that Justin has filed. Short of that, he can encourage settlement talks, but we all know as you guys current lawyers and yours truly as a recovering one, they can't force us to do that and we can hold out just as long as we want to. And that's that's one of the few powers we and our clients actually have over the judge. He cannot tell us when the case must go away unless he actually dismisses it. Um, so here's my overall take on the CL on the on the text and we we'll read specific ones. I think they make Blake Lively look like she was conniving um behind the scenes for the entire time. She was actively working to to marshall forces against Justin whether it was her co-stars, her husband, uh A-list Hollywood talent

1:21:46 Taylor Swift, all of whom she wanted to sort of generate buzz behind her to say her cut of the movie because she, you know, Brian Brian Friedman is Justin's lawyer along with some others. um that Brian's claim that she was basically just resting control away from him and these fake sexual harassment allegations were just part of it. Like she she was a She, tried, to, take, over, the, movie. She got a bunch of negative publicity because she was promoting her hairline products when she's pushing a movie about domestic violence. And there was a backlash in the press. And then she got her hands on some PR people who work with Justin on their text exchanges about her just talking about what a nightmare she was and how they were enjoying some of her bad publicity. But she hasn't, as far as I understand, been able to prove that they were the genesis of the bad publicity. That's her theory but she's going to have to prove that at

1:22:38 court. The the negative text celebrating her getting bad press doesn't mean that they caused it all. In fact, he says he didn't cause any of it. She caused it. But what you see here is a woman who is determined to rest control of the film from him, as Brian's alleging, who is doing her best with her A-list celebrities to to push support for her cut of the film, which normally an actress doesn't even get for her to kind of threaten Justin and some texts about her, you know, her dragons, Ryan Reynolds, her husband, and Taylor Swift which we've seen before, but then some longer versions of that. And then there are the texts with her co-stars. This guy Brandon is itenar

1:23:20 he, was, in, the, housemaid, and, quite dreamy. I'm just going to note for the record. Um he's a very good-look guy. Um her text with him and her text with this other woman, is it Rachel? Uh Scott, I have them here someplace. show um a woman who is determined to get bad things said about Justin Baldoni. Let me start with Taylor Swift because that's what everybody wants to hear. Okay first she gets it in the New York Times that she had filed a complaint against him with the California Civil Rights Department saying that he sexually harassed her and she's thrilled that she's getting this bad publicity for Justin Baldon. And Taylor Swift texts her on December 21st after it hits, "You won. You did it. You effing except it's not effing. It's spelled out. Help so many people who won't have to go through this ever again. Um, and she says, "You guys don't understand how rare this is to have proof and to take the perfect

1:24:20 steps to bring that truth to light." Lively replied, "Like my god." Then I love you so much, she writes to Taylor. I would not be okay through any of this if it weren't for you. And lastly,

1:24:34 by, the, way,, Megan,, can, I, just, say, one thing? The idea of celebrating filing a complaint with the California Department is I I you can be the we have a code section called 5150 where you're a danger to yourself or others. I've seen so many of these complaints. You can anybody can file one that it's meaningless

1:24:58 of, course, but, it, was, we, all, know, this and the New York Times article and, apparently, Blake, is, on, record, in, the case as having denied that she ever discussed the New York Times article with Taylor Swift. But this certainly could be a reference to that. You know I mean you did it. You called his attention to it. She's thrilled. And what are the odds that Taylor Swift

1:25:19 only, knew, about, the, civil, rights complaint and completely missed the New York Times article breaking it breaking the news of it?

1:25:28 She's, monitoring, the, uh, the, California civil rights uh administrative act.

1:25:32 The, docket, right?, The, docket, but, not, but, not, New York Times. I missed that totally.

1:25:38 Exactly., So,, it, seems, clear, that's, I think that the the the reason it's relevant is it appears that Blake may have misled in saying she never discussed any of that with Taylor Swift. Then there's some earlier texts uh during the course of the movie where Lively asked Taylor Swift for help. Uh she referred to Baldon as the doofus director of my movie. She described him as a clown who quote thinks he's a writer now. She asked Swift to endorse the revised script she was proposing. Uh, even though she hadn't read it, she she texted to um Taylor Swift, "You don't have to read, of course." Uh, then Brian alleges Swift agreed to do Lively's bidding, texting Lively, "I'll do anything for you." Lively side disputed that she asked Swift to endorse the script without reading it, only that she quote, "hoped she would." I mean here's the actual text. Um, it reads let's see I can't find it, but that's an accurate

1:26:34 representation of it. Okay, now there's more. Uh, this is this is Taylor. Oh, sorry. This is uh Blake texting to Taylor and the date is May 19th, 2024. She's talking about some showing of the film. She writes, "By the way, I have so much to tell you. The author, Colleen, she authored the book that the movie was based on, reached out to me because Justin is on an internal smear campaign trying to get his edit through. She was horrified and reached out on her own to talk to me. Turns out he effing lied. She's not Bahigh, which is his religion.

1:27:10 Never has been. She's not friends with him at all. She actually hates him. She was his safety net all along. Meanwhile he shut her out and wouldn't include her in anything and told her she had no voice or value. yet paraded her around in front of the cameras for goodwill and told us all his decision uh that he got push back on were all her ideas. It's wild. She writes, "She flew to New York where I screamed my cut for the first time yesterday. It killed in the room." Then she says to Taylor, "Bradley, I think meaning Cooper came. He watched it twice. He's been an absolute effing hero. He has made me feel so good about the cut. Matt and Lucy Damon saw it to give notes and instead just wrote Tom Rothman to try to push my edit through without a bake off with Justin, which is also what Colleen is pushing for. It's wild and crazy times. Taylor responds "No one should ever get into a war of wills with you, and I'm so excited to

1:28:01 see it." Then they talk about how um Taylor texted that Justin was a dope to allow um her song to be used in the trailer for the film because she's team Blake and the two little mean girls have a giggle about how dopey Justin was to accept Blake Ladley's suggestion that Taylor like nasty at every turn.

1:28:26 By, the, way,, I, don't, disagree, with, that. He wasn't dope for allowing that because he's it was a improvised explosive device in his own project.

1:28:35 Megan,, I, don't, I, don't, know, about, these texts. I don't I don't know that I see them the same way you do. Okay. I do welcome that. You know, yeah, she's trying to grab people to be on her team and she's got a meritless argument about things being real tough on set, but she's just looking to create. Yeah, I I get all that. But equally possible is that she is going through some real real challenges. And like anybody who goes through challenges and I think you know maybe when you went through challenges at Fox News or whenever we go through challenges you definitely want to empower your friends to help you to lean on for support. So that's what it looks like to me she's doing.

1:29:13 Wow. And, she's, reaching, out, not, only, to Taylor Swift to help her but also to as the reference uh made clear Matt Damon. Uh they with that there's a ma a May 2024 text I'm just filling out the record sir go right ahead between Lively her husband Ronald Reynolds and the Dammons Reynolds asking the Dammons Matt and his wife Lucy to watch the film Lively then begging them to do so saying the movie quote nearly killed me. Matt Damon replies oh and she then she says Justin's in a cult. Matt Damon replies we'll give you any help we can and if this experience hasn't totally destroyed your soul Blake you should come direct your next movie at Artist Equity. We're kind of a cult, but a really nice one.

1:29:52 Um, Lucy Damon said, "It was insane the power this guy has with no experience to back him." Um, after being told that Baldon claimed during filming to have been able to speak to Lively's dead father. Lucy Damon replied, "What in the actual f? I'm fascinated by this creep. I think you should do a movie about this guy." Lively replied, I already have the name of my doc. Lights cult action. Reynolds chimed in saying he'd never seen anything like it. that Baldon is a sociopathic faux feminist because Baldon's got some like feminist blog and podcast and then we had the infamous my dragons are Taylor Swift and Reynolds and they fight for me and you know they'll fight for you too but really they're mine. Um part of it is that she's poisoning the well on the set about him Mark Aragos. She's making sure on the set and off the set everyone hates this guy and she wants to make sure he will never work again. And her

1:30:46 whole complaint in this lawsuit is that he was super mean by using PR people to protect him. But meanwhile, you see her her smear campaign against him in writing black and white to some of the biggest players in Hollywood. So this is a perfect example uh of the marks reasonable minds can differ because I can't I can't and I make a living out of trying to see the way the other side. I don't see the other side here. I see these texts. It's obvious at least to me as to what's happening uh here. She's she's marshalling her friends and others to try to lean on him and to take him out. I mean, I by the way, we're in a civil lawsuit and in a civil lawsuit the standard is basically just a little bit more on one side or the other. I think you have a really really uphill battle if you're live lively trying to characterize this in any way though.

1:31:41 I, don't, disagree, with, the, other, mark. There's no question she's looking to take him out. There's no question she's not asking people to look at him favorably. The only question is whether she's doing that because she genuinely is going through a horrific experience on the set like she alleges. And I don't know whether that's true or not. Just throwing out the idea. And she's looking for that. She's looking for support from others because it really is that horrific. Those text messages I think could be used in the case to support her claim. The rest are fodder for the court of public opinion. Well, the interesting part about that though is if she was in some kind of psychological distress and you know it's above my pay grade, but it certainly doesn't come through in this.

1:32:25 It come it reeks of connivance, not of distress to me. It, does, wreak, of, connivance., Good, word. Um, yes. And the and part of what's relevant here is he says I had to hire a PR team to protect me because she and her husband were way bigger stars than I was and I was well aware she was trying to ruin me. That that's why because this had been bubbling behind the scenes before the the movie ever hit the public eye and and she made a point of keeping him literally in a basement the night of the premiere and of unfollowing him on social and having all the cast unfollow him on social. These cast members going to do whatever she says. And so he his whole point is I was placed in a position where anything I did was defensive. It was not offensive to ruin her. I was watching my career get destroyed inch by inch. Go ahead.

1:33:21 Yes., No,, that's, where, these, text messages are key on on her claim that he went to ruin her. He went on an evisceration campaign. Wait a second. You're clearly doing it on your text. There's no question that's what she's doing. The biggest names in Hollywood are now looking negatively at him because of her. And then secondly, you got this little thing called the First Amendment, freedom of speech. he can't then defend himself in the public. I think there's zero merit to that claim that she's making.

1:33:51 Yeah,, I, I, agree, with, Jamar., That's that's the problem with this. When you take a look at them in context and have to tell a story and as you know better than anybody, you know, that's what a trial is. The story that she wants to tell just I don't I don't even know what it is. It just doesn't hang right to me

1:34:10 because, then, you, get, to, because, you, made a good point Aar about the like it's it starts off with I was subjected to a hostile work environment as an actress on this set that Justin Baldon and his partner are complete They behaved inappropriately like at every turn to the point where I had to get them in the mid middle of shooting to agree to like a 12-point plan to where they would stop the onset harassment.

1:34:34 That's, good, for, her. Then, this, is, her, story that, supports, her., This, is, good,

1:34:36 right?, Well,, this, is, her, story., I'm giving you her story. And then she says in in retaliation because they they knew that they' behaved badly. Um they hired this PR, you know, group to try to ruin me. And so all the negative press I started getting about how terrible I was was generated by them. It was retaliatory for my raising sexual harassment complaints. That's her story. His story is all the stuff you complained about was either made up or totally mild. and an absolute nothing burger. Like you said, I walked in on you while you were breastfeeding your baby in the trailer and then he produced a text message of her saying, "Come on over to my trailer. I'm breastfeeding my baby, but you're welcome." Right? He's like,

1:35:21 "Okay,, so, you, you, made, up, some, You left out some stuff." And you weren't actually offended by the stuff that you're complaining about. And so I, the minor player, hired a PR firm to defend me. The bad publicity you are complaining about, however, generated was generated by you by picking on some no-name reporter who saw your baby bump which was considerable in an interview and said like, "Love your baby bump. Like, how far along are you?" And you looked at her like a nasty witch, and you were like, "How far along are you?"

1:35:54 I mean, she snapped back at this non-pregant reporter who was in her in Blake's world a nothing, a nobody, which as you guys well know, America does not respond well to like the the beautiful rich, powerful, starlet, like dumping on this nobody reporter who asked a very normal question anybody would ask. Um that's not good. the promotion of her flower brand and her her hair brand while she's talking about women getting the hell beat out of them in this movie was off. People didn't like it and there was a lot of negative press. So that's his story. Like you have yourself to blame. Um anyway, so so all these texts kind of shed some light on this. Now what I said, we're going to have to carry this over because we're not done.

1:36:41 what I said about is there somebody else from the cast who's going to say that Justin was terrible, that he was a harasser, that he was a weirdo, a creep. Now we're talking, right? Like if if Blake Lively has that

1:36:55 that's, very, good, right?, This, isn't, about, what, happened. It's about what she can prove. That's really what what trials are about.

1:37:01 I, really, think, this, case, is, going, to come, down, to, it's, kind, of a, chicken, or egg argument. Is is she basically lively saying all of this was done because he harassed me or is it as Beldon says she decided she wanted to rest control of the film and she used the pretext the pretext of me too because remember when this happened in the continuum and she's using all of that as nothing more than a pretext.

1:37:39 Well, said., That's, it. That's, what, it, comes, down, to., That's where the battlesh and that's why showing that like this complaint was empty. This was a nothing burger. This whole thing with the 12point plan was just a setup to get me because she wanted control of the movie. She wanted the final cut. She she there there was there's a clip of her on camera saying like I I always want to be the secret director or writer and I just kind of lay my evil plans and I don't say them out loud but then that's what I do when I take over the movie. And that's what she did to his movie. But she wasn't the director. She didn't she wasn't an editor. She didn't have Final Cut. And um he he gave her some mild push back which she didn't like. So then she tried subtrafuge against him. This is part of what he's alleging. Um, so now we're learning a lot more about the other women on the set who allegedly

1:38:28 couldn't stand Justin and also thought he was a creepy pervert. The, woman, is, named, Jenny, Slate., As, far as we know, this is the only other one she's got. I'm going to get we'll have to continue this on the opposite side of this break, but Jenny Slate was also in the movie and in court documents per the Daily Mail, she described the shoot as quote really gross and disturbing. And she tells Blake Lively about what she calls Baldon's unprofessional behavior and quote the weird stuff he pulled during the first half of filming. And now we learn exactly what it is she's referring to which I will tell you about just in a couple of minutes. We're going to take a quick break. More with Mark and Mark right after this. Mark Squared is here on Baldon and Blake. Okay. So back when Baldoni first started to fight back, right, Blake dropped her complaint. She went to the New York Times and um her California Human Rights

1:39:27 uh Department complaint turned into a legal complaint in court. Um then Brian Freriedman on behalf of Baldon starts fighting back and getting some of this more exculpatory stuff out into the press. And then her side came out and amended their complaint alleging that without naming them, there were two women, two actresses who also raised concerns with Lively and with the production company over Beldonius quote unwelcome behavior during filming. Um they say the experiences of Lively and others were documented at the time they occurred starting in May of 2023. He knew that women other than Miss Lively also were uncomfortable and had complained about his behavior. And they write most import more importantly defendants false narrative crumbles under the indisputable truth that Miss Lively was not alone in complaining about Mr. Beldon and raised her concerns contemporaneously as they arose in 2023.

1:40:19 Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, so I don't know who the other woman is, but I know one of them now is Jenny Slate, who played Alyssa in this movie. I haven't seen the movie. Uh, but Jenny Slate is in these text messages with um with with Blake Lively, and I'm going to read you what they what they say. She says that, well, then it starts on this other in this other article. She described the shoot as really gross and disturbing. This is in a message sent to a confidant, I think, to Jenny's agent. According to court records revealed by the Daily Mail, the 43-year-old actress was questioned about those texts during her deposition in September. Uh during the deposition, attorneys reviewed messages that Jenny Slate, who played Alyssa sent to her former agent, in which he criticized Baldon and other producer Jaime Heath, his partner. In one message, Slate wrote, "It's like fascinating and also so shitty. Justin

1:41:15 and Jaime are truly unfit." She also referenced Lively repeatedly expressing concern for her friend and colleague while filming under Baldon's direction. I'm not scared or anything, just repulsed and deeply irritated. And I know Blake is experiencing it on a much more serious level. He is worse than most of the men I most of the bros I've encountered," she wrote about about Baldon, adding that she viewed him as a false ally and rejected what she described as his male feminist image. She called Heath truly unprofessional. Justin and Jaime freaked me out, she added claiming they totally they told really weird lies and that Beldon was astoundingly wrongheaded. Well, I'm very interested to know what the hell happened between Beldon and Jenny uh Slate.

1:41:59 The, Daily, Mail, goes, on, to, report, what, we think it is. Here it is. Alarming, behavior., She, texted, with Lively about it. Um, okay. It's Lively and Jenny texting back and forth. And this appears to be lively texting. You Jenny were standing there for the thing he said to me when he said, "I look hot." I said, "That's not what I'm going for." And he said, "Okay, sexy." Then he made a joke, asked if he crossed a line and I said, "Yes, he must have missed the sexual harassment meeting." That's big incident number one.

1:42:38 He's, a, director, in, a, sexy, movie., I, mean, in some context, that would be not okay. And maybe it was inappropriate. Maybe it had nothing to do with the movie, but they are making a movie where there's love scenes. She has to look sexy. It's not like, you know, you're

1:42:55 you, got, to, get, the, smelling, salts, over to Gary Ghost cuz he's not he's not able to handle this level of raciness.

1:43:01 My, god,, YOU, LOOK, HOT., OH,, I'm, I'm, I, may never recover. How dare he say that to her? Right.

1:43:09 Right., So, now, this, to, me, is, Blake, Lively trying to get Nobody knows who the hell Jenny Slate is, but it would be very good for Jenny Slate to be in good with Blake and Ryan. So this is her reaching out to a lesserk known being like remember you were there when he said the truly offensive thing to me. And by the way, it sounds like Blake Lively laughed it off. Yeah, you must have missed the sexual harassment training. which is something a woman can do, but obviously did not put him on notice that he had deeply offended her. Then the text turned to another alleged alleged exchange per the Daily Mail where Lively and Slate discuss their admiration for Britney Spears before Baldon reportedly made what Slate called a quote disturbing comment. So Jenny Slate is disturbed by what happened here. Okay.

1:43:57 My god, what did he say? Walk us through it. What did he say about poor Britney Spears and all her troubles? Okay here's Blake. And then later when you said I think this is Blake saying to Jenny. Yeah. Yeah, it's Blake. And then later when you said you used to stare at Britney Spears's midsection for hours before you finished and said what an athlete she was and how remarkable she seemed as a young girl. He jumped in and said, "Same." And giggled. But then I ruled when we just looked at him. You need the smelling salt again.

1:44:34 Okay., Literally,, her, name, is, Slate., You want to call her blank slate for a lot of reasons because this is literally maybe the most unhinged kind of misinterpretation I've ever seen or heard. It's really I I don't know how they do it with a straight face.

1:44:54 It's, possible. Hold on. Wait,, Mark., Mark,, let, me, read, you, this, Eigar, and then I always like to take the other side. I know you do. You're just to keep it balanced, folks. Come on. Go ahead.

1:45:05 I, like, that., I, like, that., I'm, making, it hard for you. But here's how Slate replied to that text from Lively about the deeply offensive Britney Spears. Same comment. And then a giggle. And then an eye roll. My god

1:45:17 that's, a, micro, That's, a, microaggression. It's, a, giggle, and, an, eye, roll., So, Slate replied, "Yes, exactly. Those are two perfect examples. The first one, which was the alarming behavior about you look high,

1:45:34 right? The, first, one, she, writes, is, an, example of a total overstep and unwanted comment. The second, which is the giggle and same about admiring Britney Spears's midsection, is such a great example of how now I just feel inclined to shut down because I don't want to invite any other comments from him. It's just gross and stupid. I shut down Mark Ilar because of the Britney Spears.

1:46:07 You, guys, ready, for, the, other, side? Listen. Yes. Yes. It's possible, and you would concede, it's possible that she really does find this inappropriate that it really does genuinely bother her. And then now you've got somebody else corroborating that what he said really was said and that they also found it to be inappropriate and that's not going to bode well for him. Now, that said,

1:46:31 hold, on, now., Don't, you, interrupt, me., Ask you a question. What I'm saying is that maybe a a movie

1:46:38 Hold, that, thought,, Gosh, maybe, a, movie, where, you're, having fake, sexual, relations, with, this, guy, you disdain may not be the strongest choice for you. Maybe there's some Disney movies you should probably on the be on the set with where no one's going to say you're hot, you know, and and take it out of context.

1:46:54 The, remake, of, Little, House, on, the Prairie perhaps. That's, a, different, case., But, the

1:47:00 Well,, that's, actually, gone, south,, too. Yeah. But my question for you, Mark Iglar, as you're making this rather heroic defense of the indefensible, is if you if you're saying that the two people met and they both agree and they're getting some kind of sustenance emotionally from their ven diagram overlap, basically your argument is unhinged and unhinged equals hinged because there is no way that in a a rational society with rational discourse that that is overstepping the line. You have really kind of I think elevated kind of psychosis to be normal or

1:47:41 I, disagree, and, I, think, Megan, would, back me up on this. In certain context someone saying you're sexy when you don't want him to say that or making comments like that can be very offensive

1:47:51 when, it's, your, boss and, isn't, he?, Keep, going., Have, my, back on this Megan. Come on

1:47:55 Megan., How, many, times? Hold, on., She's, going, to, help, me., Here, we go. Oh, here we go. Megan, let's go. Let's go.

1:48:02 Yes., As, it's, it's, I, it's, already, been made public what happened at Fox News but Roger Rails literally did say, "I I bet you look super sexy in your bra." I was like, "Okay

1:48:12 how', that, make, you, feel?", Definitely not. How did that make you feel hot? Yeah.

1:48:17 Awkward, AF,, as, they, say., But but, yeah,, no,, when, it, comes, from, your boss who's clearly got power over you he's the most powerful man in the industry and you're a nobody in the industry. That's all problem.

1:48:28 Oh,, please., The, power He's the one telling you what to do. The director on the set is not like uh like the boss on the set.

1:48:36 You, know,, I, think, I, often, think, of, my she, was, the, producer, and, a, far, bigger star. Garos, you you're a Hollywood man. Explain to Ikelar how it works. Let me just explain something to you because you know the back when Harvey first started uh having all of his troubles. Weinstein Ben Brothman who's a good friend of mine once uh said you know for decades in Hollywood there's been this casting couch and there is a whole kind of culture if you will and that and it's horrible but it was condoned and I understand that and nobody's defending any of that but set that aside for a second. If we've reached the point in society where you look hot has caused you this kind of emotional distress. All I can think of is my grandmother who fled the genocide was in a Turkish orphanage somehow escaped to America and had my dad when she was 14. I can't imagine if I told her that if she was here today and it's my dad's birthday

1:49:38 even though he's passed away. She would look at me like I had lost my money. I, would, agree, with, you, if, that, was, the only allegation. But you take that coupled with everything else and I'm not saying it can be proven or it's legitimate. I'm just saying there's more to it and you now have someone backing her up.

1:49:55 Britney, Spears, midsection, WHICH, ALONG WITH 25 million other people. Same. But, don't, forget, don't, forget, the, eye roll. The giggle in the eye roll. Garagos.

1:50:05 Yes., Which, I but, don't, straw, man, it., There, was, a giggle. followed by the eye roll. Okay here is what an eggshell plaintiff Blake Lively is. I mean, like just the tap on the head and she's got some sort of a skull fracture. This full message about the dragons has now come out. I don't know that I'd seen the entire thing, but it is the most pathetic little display. I'm going to read you part of it. She This is from her to Justin. As for Blank and Ryan and Blank for that matter, I think, Taylor, is, one, of the, people, she's referencing here. I'm the luckiest mother blank. I think it's Effer on the planet to have them as my dance mom's level stage moms. They are embarrassingly affusive. That said they're also my most trusted partners and the people I go to first with anything creative I touch. And I'm the person they each go to first. That reciprocal creativity and support has been one of my life's greatest gifts and

1:50:56 most fulfilling gifts. When they loved and signed off on the pages that she wrote, she's saying, "I felt good to send them to you. They asked what you thought specifically after. They checked in so many times. I told them that you laughed a bunch and said, "It's probably a blend, but you appreciate my passion so much." which of course didn't feel great for me or them to have my passion be praised instead of any specific contribution or even just that you didn't like the pages which was fine also. So this is yet another egregious over egregious barbaric behavior by him.

1:51:37 Garagos her to the rescue Mark please. This is this is not you look sexy. Go on. Yeah.

1:51:47 Dance, moms, didn't, like, it, and, neither did Blake. What? What's with the passion? Then she goes on. I'm going to give you a little more. So, I think they wanted you and me to see how they felt about the work because they've been by my side for far too many experiences where I've been overlooked. I spoke to you about this when we first met. They've watched me handwrite scripts because the director is too afraid to send the file. Yet he scans and he has someone hand type all 120 pages of my pencil rewrites. They've watched me be hired as a writer and paid a significant fee for it, but on the condition that I never asked for credit, which I could give a about. I I I don't care.

1:52:27 It's more the principle of the dynamic at play. They've watched the other side of it, too, where I am told at signing that I am wanted as a true collaborator but once we get to work, I'm really just wanted as a yes man audience and actor. Here we go. Big finish. Both Ryan and Something Blacked Out have established themselves as absolute titans and writers and storytellers outside of their primary gig, just singing or just acting. Obviously, the the blacked out name is Taylor. Um, or just directing. I'm so lucky to have them as creative barometers, but also to have them as the people who prop me up and make sure I am seen for all I can

1:53:05 and, all, I, do, offer., All right? Because, they, know, firsthand, all, that, I contribute. They also know I'm not always as good at making sure that I am seen and utilized for fear of threatening egos or fear of affecting the ease of the process.

1:53:21 They, don't, give, a, about, that., And because of that, everyone listens to them with immense respect and enthusiasm. So, I guess I have to stop worrying about people liking me. And then there is the

1:53:34 Oh,, boy., All, right. If, you, ever, get, around, to, watching, Game of Thrones, this is it. No, I have a strong feeling about this.

1:53:41 You'll, appreciate, you, do. You'll, appreciate, that, I'm, Kesi., And like her, I happen to have a few dragons for better or for worse, but usually for better because my dragons also protect those I fight for. So really, we all benefit from those gorgeous monsters of mine. You will

1:54:01 There's, an, English, accent, here, or something to see you. Yeah,, I, that's, everything., This, is, an absurd person. Absurd person. feeling very, strong, feeling., It's, not, going to be what you think. These are very damaging for Lively because if I'm cross-examining her now, you have motive. This isn't about you look sexy you're uncomfortable on the on the on the set. This is I'm pissed off because of other reasons. And now you can easily point to a motive. She's upset about so many other things that she's then picking the lane. The the harassment.

1:54:35 Again, this is the argument. I don't know if that's what she's doing, but harassment and his words are so terrible. But it really is about so many other issues. Not getting the credit not getting the ego tapped, all that other stuff. I think it's going to be easy to cross-examine her.

1:54:50 Well,, yeah,, just, ask, a, question. I, think, it's, going, to, be, super, fun.

1:54:53 It's, Yeah,, exactly., I, was, going, to, say all you got to do is ask a question because this is damaged goods.

1:55:00 Well,, remember, in, the, complaint?, Hold on. I want to pull this up because we pulled the scene. We've talked about this, but she she has a tendency to overstate things. Okay. From her complaint, she wrote, "At one point Justin leaned forward and slowly dragged his lips from her ear and down her neck as he said, "It smells so good." None of this was remotely in character or based on any dialogue in the script, and nothing needed to be said because again, there was no sound. Mr. Baldoni was caressing Miss Lively with his mouth in a way that had nothing to do with their roles. We have this, right? Do we have this, Robert? We have this video.

1:55:36 Were the, cameras, rolling, when, he, was, doing this? And so if he improvises the cameras,

1:55:40 actors, improvise,, they're, encouraged, to do so. Here, it, is. Oh,, giggle, eye, roll., Quiet., Watch.

1:55:50 That's, harassment, you're, watching, right there. It, would, be, if, it, wasn't, a, movie., Am, I getting beard on you today?

1:55:56 Right. I'm, probably, getting, on. I, mean,, you, know, well,, it's, not, that., It's, my, body makeup.

1:56:05 Garos, wouldn't, greet, his, parallegals. He wouldn't do that. Hey, welcome to the firm. Come here.

1:56:11 I'm, probably, I'm, going, to, start, doing that at MK True Crowd. Thank, you. I'm, She, says, I'm, probably, getting, my, my spray tan on you. He says it smells good. I mean like the complaint, right? He he slowly dragged his lips from her ear down to her neck as he said, "It smells so good." She is a damn liar. Garag goes

1:56:33 "It's, I, just, don't, understand, how, how this is even a you know, I I often will use the term the majesty of federal court." How is this a federal court case? I'll tell you I'll tell you how she could have a better case if what she alleges with the tongue going down the neck happened when he went into her trailer as she's breastfeeding her baby. That would be strong.

1:56:58 Totally, agree. Right. I'm, with, you., I'm, with, you., You, and, I now we're all ears. We found common ground. Yes.

1:57:06 Yes., We, we, look, forward, to, that, uh change of her testimony on the stand. So, I think the judge is probably going to deny the motion for summary judgement by Beloni based on how he sounded in court yesterday, even though I accept your representation, Garagos, that he sounds like he wants nothing more to do with this case. So, I think and most of these motions for summary judgement get denied unless it's just like a clear-cut agreement on the facts, and there isn't here. So, I think it will proceed, and I don't know whether it actually gets tried. Actually, Garos, let me ask you that since you actually are a little closer to the defense council um and their day-to-day handling of this.

1:57:42 It, sounds, to, me, like, neither, side, is, in any mindset to try to settle without a trial,

1:57:47 right?, I, don't, think, it's, going, to settle. I really don't. I think if the judge does not stick a fork in this this goes to trial. And can you imagine? I was told about the scene at the courthouse yesterday. I can't even imagine. talk about this may be the the the case that finally breaks the log jam against televised trials in federal court.

1:58:09 This, needs, to, settle., It, needs, to, be done. They're both getting bloodied before we even pick a jury. This is horrible for both of them.

1:58:18 Both, of, their, careers, have, stalled, and you know there's lots of text messages by her saying his is going to stall it. Like it's stalling, baby. Like you watch. But hers has stalled, too. And this really has become a Johnny Depp Amber Heard situation where he's got just as many, if not more supporters, I think more supporters than she does. She's been made to look very foolish by her own text, which which, you know, her allegations, which don't match up with the videotape

1:58:46 G., And, she's, drawn, in, Taylor, Swift, in this, too. I mean, Taylor Swift is uh basically immune from any kind of downside, I suppose, just because of her stature, but this certainly does not reflect well on her. And

1:59:00 how, about, her, calling, him, a, They reportedly broke up. Taylor, Taylor, Swift, called, him, a

1:59:05 Wow. Yeah., Called, Baldon, a I, mean,, of, course,, Taylor, was, only getting one side of the story, right?

1:59:10 But, Taylor, and, Blake, have, reportedly broken up their friendship as a result of like all of this. She got to see Blake's texts behind the scenes and she didn't much appreciate, I'm sure, being called one of Blake's dragons. It's like, you're my dragon, What the power imbalance there is um not with Taylor as the subservient. Anyway, uh it's not going well. I I think Blake would like to have that back. And I'll tell you what I think happened here. I think she took such crap in the press for being tonedeaf on promoting a movie about domestic violence with her hair care product and their liquor that they pushed and all of her weird stuff with the flowers and the floral stuff. And she would b she bullied that reporter and she's bullied a couple of others too. it was not a one-time gig that she sensed an opportunity much like Melissa Gilbert to try to make herself look like the super caring, empathetic one who

2:00:04 understood me too claims, you know, and understood women even though she'd been totally tonedeaf to them in promoting the DV film. And so she was like, "Not only do I understand the Me Too world, I am of the Me Too world." And she carried this on at the time 100 where I saw her last year. She was one and I was one. Hence my comment that not everybody there was a time 100 most powerful person. Nor was I one of the people. Let's be honest. It's all made up. It's advertising., Whatever., Okay,, I, d I digress. So at the time 100, she did she get up there and talk about something like truly powerful like about her her film company, all of her business? No. She talked about her mother's alleged me too story. It was me too like stolen stolen honor by Blake Lively. She's dying stolen valor. She's trying desperately to be accepted as like a champion of women because that's the exact lane in which she took the

2:00:57 hit. So this whole thing has gotten like used against poor Justin Baldon for saying things like you look hot. Just so wrong. And I think ultimately a jury is going to see it way. Any does anybody disagree with that this is likely to go his way? not here, but uh

2:01:15 probably, not., But, it, doesn't, doesn't mean he's poor Baldon and and didn't have dirt on his hands and didn't do certain things that were disturbing. I just don't know that she can prove it and or it rises to the level of of of her burden. I don't know that she's going to, meet, it,

2:01:29 you, know. And, then, look,, the, other, thing, is Garrick, you watch the the herd depth trial. I mean

2:01:35 the, there, is, no, like, Amber, Herd's, career is over. It's it's over now. Like, does Blake Lively really think she's going to come out the other side of a Brian Freriedman cross-examination at trial? Hell no.

2:01:50 Better, off, than, she, is, right, now? No., There's, no, way., I'm, I'm, here., I've been there. I've seen it. And it's it's like a kamicazi mission for her. I don't understand what she

2:02:01 Yeah, I, think, we, all, agree, on, that. She, She, should, get, out, of, this., Yeah, she she should whatever she thinks about her legal claims. Yeah, she should get out of this because it's it doesn't get better for her at trial at all. Even if she wins, even if she wins, by the way that cross-examination is going to be the end of

2:02:16 By, the, way,, if, it's, not, televised, so that people get it unfiltered there's no way to win. I mean, one of the things that was brilliant in some ways about Depp Heerd was at least it was televised, so you could see and you had that kind of un unspoken or unarticulated um ability to sway public opinion. You can't do that when it's

2:02:40 they'll, take, the, worst, of, the, worst things that she says and then everybody gets a bastardized version of what they think took place. You're not going to get justice here. She needs to

2:02:51 Yep., take, her, losses, and, run., You, know, I, will, do, the, dramatic, reenactment, every day at the end of

2:02:58 You, definitely, bring, it, with, the weirdest accent ever. I don't know. What, was, that?

2:03:04 I, might, do, it, in, the, in, the, voice, of Patty Lupone with her hard consonants. We shall see. Gentlemen, a pleasure.

2:03:12 Thanks., Take, care,, Mark., Be, well. All, right., Have, a, great, weekend., Oh, my. Aren't they great? And you can check them out on MK True Crime. Go ahead and subscribe now. Go to podcast, type in MK True Crime, and enjoy the whole gang. They're the best on legal stuff. Have a great weekend. God love you. We'll see you Monday.

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