Lesbian Lawyer Glenna Goldis SPEAKS OUT After Letitia James Firing Over Her Public Trans Stance

What this episode is about

Glenna Goldis, a former lawyer at the Attorney General's office, discusses her concerns regarding the influence of transgender ideology on youth, particularly in the context of pediatric medicine. Drawing on her legal expertise, she raises alarm over what she perceives as harm to gender non-conforming youth and the lack of substantial evidence supporting current gender transition practices.

Key takeaways

• Understanding gender identity requires peeling back layers of social narratives—beware the assumptions we take for granted.
• The journey from casual observer to informed critic reveals that even well-meaning advocates can miss critical truths.
• It’s telling that discussing biological realities in gender medicine is now deemed radical—where’s the space for honest debate?
• Conversion therapy isn’t just a relic of the past; it's masquerading in modern ideologies pushing untested narratives on youth.
• How many voices are silenced in the name of progress? The dransitioners are begging for recognition—will we listen?

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 7 min speaking
• Glenna Goldis (Guest) · 11 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 3:00 – 6:00: Tish James
2. 9:00 – 12:00: Federal Trade Commission
3. 12:00 – 15:00: Tish James
4. 15:00 – 18:00: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "Lesbian Lawyer Glenna Goldis SPEAKS OUT After Letitia James Firing Over Her Public Trans Stance"

• And then, as I understand it, you did you started to see that the AG's office was actively against you on this issue under Tish James.

  about Tish James · at 4:29

• Their direction. I follow I was invited to speak at the Federal Trade Commission. They were holding an event in July about this very subject of pediatric gender medicine and…

  about Federal Trade Commission · at 11:39

• Case BPJ, which was about girls sports that was argued before the Supreme Court. This was a preview I was doing hosted by the Democrats for an informed approach for to gender diag. And the ethics council said, You can't do that.

  about BPJ · at 15:34

• Doctors either. A new year means new financial goals like making sure your savings are secure and diversified. Will this be the year you decide to talk to someone from Birch…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 17:00

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Tish James — Person · Referenced authority / agency head · 2 mentions · first at 4:35
  Referenced as the Attorney General leading the AG’s office whose stance on pediatric gender medicine and related speech policies is portrayed as driving internal enforcement against the speaker.

Companies & orgs

• Federal Trade Commission — Company · Regulatory body · 1 mention · first at 11:41
  Hosted an event discussing pediatric gender medicine and potential fraud, which the speaker was invited to but prevented from attending by her employer.

Places & events

• BPJ — Event · Legal case · 4 mentions
  A case about girls' sports argued before the Supreme Court, which the speaker discussed in an X space, leading to her termination.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 17:09
  Promoted during the podcast as a service for diversifying savings with physical gold, offering a rebate for first-time buyers.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 How long did you work uh in the AG's office? Four years. And um you how did like the whole issue of the transgender and pediatric medicine in particular come onto your radar?

0:14 Well, for a while, if we're talking four years ago, I was just following it casually like a lot of people do, you know, uh catching news stories about it, reading more and more. my friends were starting to ask questions, friends who had kids, like we were having these whispered conversations of what is transgender and why why are kids being taught that they're that they have a gender identity? Uh so I just dug in more and as I got involved, I started reading I got to a point where I really wanted to understand the other side because I I knew all the problems with gender medicine and I said I need to understand the other side because I'm a lawyer. So what is the best case for it?

0:49 And I started trying to build it by reading what the gender doctors said themselves, what their lawyers said for them in court. And I was just shocked at how little was there. It was, you know, it was just a bunch of logical fallacies and broken links and statistics that didn't turn out to be true. Mhm. And I know that you're you're an out of the closet lesbian and this like I two of my friends who are in a lesbian marriage early on I said to them you need to look at this like you should care about what's happening here because they're converting they're doing conversion therapy on young lesbian girls and young gay boys or even just ones who aren't lesbian or gay but are just like gender non-conforming. They they're like not allowing especially butch lesbians to just grow up to be butch lesbians. It's like no, you're a boy. You have to be a boy. And they didn't really take me seriously because they're they're of the

1:49 left and they kind of rolled their eyes like, "Oh, this is just like the former Fox News host doing her thing." I'm like, "No, I'm telling you." But this is a thing. It is in fact a thing. It's a horrible thing. And that's what we found when you go into kind of the when you go deep and see how this started in America. And you know, the first gender clinic for kids was opened with fanfare in 2007. They were looking for kids who had played with opposite sex toys, you know, so-called opposite sex toys when when they were young and who kind of hung out with kids of the opposite sex. And this is highly correlated with being gay when you grow up. You know, a lot of us remember being those kids. And that's who was being that was the prototype for who should be transitioned. And of course, the doctors frame it as no, the kids are asking for it. The kids are saying they're very upset if they can't

2:32 have it. Well, yeah. I mean, some kids do wish they were the opposite sex and you tell them they can't be. That's what you do. You don't say, "Oh, well, we have some drugs that will save your life."

2:44 Exactly. Right. And yet that all of the the entire industry has been co-opted to say "Affirm affirm affirm affirm. You tell the kid if he thinks he's actually a girl, he is." And that you're you're the wrongdoer if you say anything other than that. that it's conversion therapy for you to tell a biological boy that he is a boy or a biological girl that she is a girl that that's conversion therapy. All right. So, you're in the consumer fraud department of the AG's office, but you're taking starting to take an interest in this and like seeing this is not great and I can't find the evidence to support the other side. And then I I understand you became concerned about a dransitioner.

3:21 You heard a d a lesbian dransitioner on a podcast and got concerned. Can you speak to that a bit?

3:28 Yeah, that was a turning point because I had previously seen gender medicine as being cosmetic. Like so, you know, a woman takes testosterone and then she grows a beard and you know, then the only problem with that is that it's not reversible the testosterone. So, if she changes her mind, she's still growing facial hair. That's how I viewed it because I'd seen it portrayed that way in the media. But when I was listening to uh this particular woman who I got to know, her name is Carol and she was talking about the physical harms that it caused her, she was saying, you know, this caused severe pain in in her vagina because it it becomes dried up. It's not healthy anymore. And I was like, yikes, that's and she had other side effects as well that were just, you know, gruesome.

4:06 And she was then mood issues and everything that was affecting her marriage. And so she was saying like, you know, I never turned into a man. I just developed a bunch of health problems. And so that's when I saw, oh, this is not cosmetic. This is harmful.

4:21 This is actually harmful. So you start your blog. Well, you do it under a pseudonym because you're working in the AG's office and you're like, I'm not exactly sure how this is going to play. And then, as I understand it, you did you started to see that the AG's office was actively against you on this issue under Tish James.

4:37 I did. I mean, from the beginning, I I knew they were generally in favor of the trans rights. Like, it's a big agency. They do a lot of things and at first I felt like okay I don't have to agree with my agency on everything. Uh but as I got more into it and as history went on like they got deeper in they started saying more things that I thought weren't accurate and I became more and more concerned because I was at this point I had friends who were dransitioners or who were parents whose kids had been pulled into this and so I was seeing the harm on the ground you know on the weekends and so it became you know a more tense issue.

5:10 Yes. But that phrase seeing the harm just like triggered my own process in this whole thing. Like when I did a talking points memo a couple years ago about how I I had decided to no longer use preferred pronouns. I began it by talking about how I used to be very supportive of trans people and transitioning and not bullying anybody. I still don't want them bullied, but you know that I my my whole theory was I didn't see the harm. What's the harm in using the pronouns? what's the harm in like talking to kids about their gender confusion and allowing that it could be something and and then you get to the point just because it's become ubiquitous where the harm is impossible not to see. It's everywhere and when you do see that harm, it's very hard at that point to stay silent. So, I feel for you now working for a group that's like pushing the agenda and and I one of the trigger points for you was in February

6:01 2025, they sent out a a press release at the age AG's office denouncing Trump's executive order opposing pediatric gender medicine and they referred to these interventions as quote lifesaving. So, what what did you do when you saw that? I wrote an email to the press office and the chief of the civil rights bureau because those seem like two places that should know this and were kind of behind it and responsible for the press release.

6:28 How evidence? Yeah, they just didn't respond. It was very do it. Oh, thank you. I I mean I you know I I've been a lawyer for 15 years now and I thought if somebody commented on a press release I put out that said and then they my colleague said there's something false in there. I I would jump you know I would say what do you mean? I'd look at what they sent me and I would check with my boss like oh do we need to retract this? You know like that's normally a big deal in government law offices in my experience.

6:57 But they didn't because it's agenda driven. Yeah that's the problem. Okay. Okay. So, then there was another incident where a co-orker of yours, this is just this past April, was slamming girls who don't want biological boys playing in girls sports. He was saying that they're anti-trans. And you did what? So, that happens during a staff meeting with maybe 20 people and and what he said was not on topic. you know, my bureau did not handle any issues like this, but he, you know, it came up and he had this little dig like, you know, this anti-trans laws and um referring to this one in Long Island actually that my agency's involved in. So, I, you know, I didn't say anything at the time because it was close to lunchtime and frankly, we were always hungry at those meetings.

7:44 I didn't want to distract. So, later on, I went to his office and he and I were friendly. Like, we'd gone out to lunch together. We usually talked at happy hours. So I went and I kind of gave him some statistics about boys who had been winning uh girls track meets. This was, you know, the springtime and so we've been seeing these boys headed toward state titles all across, you know, blue states. And and I told him, you know, this is an important issue. It's not just anti-trans to support these laws. It's pro girls because they're not able to win anymore in sports. It's important. And he immediately was, you know, he he was emotional and he, you know, at first he somehow thought that I was going to report him to our boss, which obviously I was not. And and so that was confusing, but then finally he was like, I have the position of the office, so I'm not going to get in trouble, basically. And I was like,

8:33 that's fine. I didn't want anyone to get in trouble. I I just thought we would kind of debate this cuz cuz we're friends and we're lawyers, but that is not how it went. and he, you know, he acted like I'd done something wrong by coming to speak with him and he said, "If you say one more word about this to me, I'm calling HR." And I, "Okay, sure." Um, and then I don't know whether Yeah, I can't say for sure whether he did, but timing wise, it was a few weeks later that I got an email from the general counsel's office

9:02 about your blog, which had been under a pseudonym, but suddenly they're like, "You know what? This is probably not consistent with office policy." Well, actually at that point it was under my real name. So I had switched like the previous October.

9:13 Yeah. So you could Google me and find it at that point. But they hadn't up until then.

9:19 Yeah. So now they don't want you to be able to say your position on an important issue um especially within the LGBT community outside of the office. And is that normal that you like can lawyers normally not say how they feel about any dicey issue you know on a blog or in an interview or you know in any public way?

9:39 Well there's two issues whether lawyers can say anything that's contradicts their firm and whether government employees can. And so the question turned on and yes lawyers can share their opinions generally. Uh and as a government lawyer as a government employee yeah generally we have first amendment rights and uh they can be a little bit restricted. There's a balancing test that the office has to go through. This is based on Supreme Court precedent, including a case called Pickering. Uh, but you know, I had looked at that case law and I thought that I was on the right side of it because if you're speaking on an issue of public concern, then that weighs heavily in your favor and it wasn't disrupting the daily activities of the office, which was the standard.

10:18 Okay. So you you decide you're going to go ahead, you're going to keep posting, but this would not be the end of your trouble within the AG's office because now I I think you've been marked as a troublemaker who does not support the trans agenda of the Leticia James AG's office. Because you tell me, Glenn, but it seems like from that point to the point where you lost your job, they stayed on you creating additional roadblocks, pushing you for more information. They were kind of bullying you from my vantage point.

10:49 Well, there were certain moments when they did, but they would also disappear for a while. So, and this is where it comes in that this is just a giant bureaucracy, right? So, actually at that point, if we're still in the spring, they took a long time to get back to me about the blog. So, they weren't saying you can't do it, but they were like kind of trying to make me nervous and and I was posting anyway. Uh but yeah, I did run into them because they had told me I had to file these requests every time I wanted to speak outside of work. You know, we had this this very broad policy about a speech outside the office, which again, I suspected was unconstitutional.

11:22 But finally, I said, "Okay, yeah." I said, "Okay, I like filing these requests to speak because it's my opportunity to tell you guys what I'm doing and and stand up for it and remind you that this is an important issue you should be looking at from both sides." So I did that and in in June I followed their direction. I follow um I was invited to speak at the Federal Trade Commission. They were holding an event in July about this very subject of pediatric gender medicine and whether it might be harming kids, whether it could be a fraud. So they invited me to speak.

11:53 I was very excited about that and I filed a request with the office to do so. And what happened?

12:01 Well, it was denied. So it got as far as, you know, there's a long chain of command. So, it only went up to as far as my bosses in my bureau and they said no because it u because the FTC's work is similar to the work I did for the AG and I said well I'd really like to go so you know is there a way I can appeal this decision and at this point I don't blame them for not having like a legal citation because it wasn't their job to know the first amendment but I said I'd like to talk to somebody whose job it is to know my first amendment rights and to make sure the agency is respecting them so like who can I talk to and you know there was some back and forth But it came down to like well nobody like you can't appeal. And I said well what usually happens when somebody objects to being censored and my bosses who had decades of experience in the office between them going back to the 80s they said well this has never happened before

12:50 and I don't know how long the policyy's been in place but it was that was quite an impass. Okay well I I mean I've looked at the law and I think I'm good. And it was just impossible to break through. And at some point that this was an inerson meeting which I had asked for it at this point. And I said and they had mentioned by the way that higherups had examined this issue. They knew about my request. So people close to the attorney general. And I said well hey I'm a consumer frauds attorney in this office and I am saying that pediatric gender medicine might be a consumer fraud. Does anyone care?

13:24 And yep. It seems like they were. And again, I like I'm sorry for my bosses that they're in this weird position now, but they had it was just awkward. Like I don't think that anybody had Yeah,

13:39 they didn't care. I mean honestly like what my you tell me because you're on the inside but my impression has been virtually every authority is either actively part of the lie or is remaining silent about it and being complicit about the lie because they don't want their I don't know good person card taken away which you know the left says requires you to affirm that this is all real.

14:03 Yeah. It's not just a good person card. You get defunded if you're a nonprofit. You get cancelled. All that sort of thing. So yeah.

14:10 Mhm. So it's not just Tish James enforcing this within the office. It's her emissaries. It's the next layer down management. Like this is the way we feel about it and you're not going to be allowed to say if you don't if you disagree. You can't speak up even if it's literally your job to stop a massive fraud and you think you've stumbled upon one. The answer is no. You're not allowed to say that. Well, you could say it inside the office and be ignored and possibly yelled at by a colleague, but you could not say it outside of the office because they said that was inconsistent with her legal position.

14:39 Wow. So, she's not going to listen to you internally. She's not going to accept a debate. She's actually not even going to hear you out. She's just made up her mind and um that's going to be the position of the office. So, how did it ultimately culminate in you losing your job? So, there was some back and forth about the FTC and I did go speak at the FTC in July and then we had meetings about it where we talked around in circles and did not get to address the merits of the issue of pediatric gender medicine. Uh there were some letters and memos and then it was quiet for several months. I didn't hear from them. I I kept uh posting. I kept uh talking to journalists and then suddenly in January, just earlier this month, I suddenly got an email from the ethics council. So, this is a kind of new figure here.

15:24 And he said that he'd heard that I was planning to speak on an exspace later that night. It's just a couple hours away because, you know, we've done little promotional tweets about it. So, we were going to talk about the upcoming case BPJ, which was about girls sports that was argued before the Supreme Court. This was a preview I was doing hosted by the Democrats for an informed approach for to gender diag. And uh the ethics council said, "You can't do that. You don't have permission. That's unapproved. You can get in trouble if you speak on that X space.

15:53 Yeah. So, so I spoke on the X base. You did it. Yeah. So, you did it and then they fired you. They gave us a statement saying in part, "This employees flagrant and repeated disregard of our rules and protocols disres disrupts and undermines our efforts to protect the rights of all New Yorkers." Do you think you did that?

16:12 I I think I did disregard their policy. Um, I don't think I undermined any New Yorkers rights except for the gender doctors who operate here. And what do people need to know? I mean, truly, what do what do people at home need to know about how these policies are hurting New Yorkers?

16:30 Well, they need to know that girls are not boys, boys are not girls, and we should not pretend otherwise. So, that's number one. They need to understand that this so-called medicine has serious physical side effects which are not being conveyed to the public or to the parents of the kids who take the drugs in a lot of cases in terms of what we're hearing. So we need that's what people need to know first of all in terms of you know if you're a parent whose kid is going through this then you need to know that you're not getting the whole story from the the left media and you might not be getting the whole story from the doctors either. A new year means new financial goals like making sure your savings are secure and diversified. Will this be the year you decide to talk to someone from Birch Gold Group? They use an educational approach with a deep understanding of macroeconomics. There are forces pushing the dollar lower and

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Lesbian Lawyer Glenna Goldis SPEAKS OUT After Letitia James Firing Over Her Public Trans Stance"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Glenna Goldis (Guest).

What is "Lesbian Lawyer Glenna Goldis SPEAKS OUT After Letitia James Firing Over Her Public Trans Stance" about?

Glenna Goldis, a former lawyer at the Attorney General's office, discusses her concerns regarding the influence of transgender ideology on youth, particularly in the context of pediatric medicine. Drawing on her legal expertise, she raises alarm over what she perceives as harm to gender non-conforming youth and the lack of substantial evidence supporting current gender transition practices.

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

4 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Tish James, Federal Trade Commission, BPJ. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Lesbian Lawyer Glenna Goldis SPEAKS OUT After Letitia James Firing Over Her Public Trans Stance"?

The episode runs 18 min; the transcript is about 3,785 words in 38 timestamped sections.

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